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What's at stake for Tigers pitchers in spring training and beyond · Tiger Territory: A Detroit Tigers Podcast

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  Speaker 1: And welcome into another episode of Tiger Territory by the
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  Speaker 1: Foul Territory Network, Detroit Tiger's podcast. I'm Kieren Steckley with
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  Speaker 1: me as always a man who sometimes wonders why live
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  Speaker 1: BP isn't called live PP, but then he says it
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  Speaker 1: out loud and figures it out. He is Cody Savinagen,
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  Speaker 1: How you doing?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you're right. Yeah, I'm doing all right, Kerin.
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  Speaker 2: We're real close to actual baseball games. The Tigers will
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  Speaker 2: begin their vaunted Great Fruit League schedule on Saturday, and
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  Speaker 2: so we're here. Uh, these games aren't quite as exciting
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  Speaker 2: as real meaningful games, but it kind of shows the progression.
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  Speaker 2: You know, you go through a few days of just
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  Speaker 2: pictures and then you're you're ready to start live BPS
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  Speaker 2: and then you do that for a few days and
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  Speaker 2: you're ready for the games. And then you do that
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  Speaker 2: and you're ready for the real meaningful games. So that's
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  Speaker 2: how spring training goes. We aren't moving.
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  Speaker 1: Right, we are, and like the whole live VP thing,
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  Speaker 1: like I do kind of like get a kick like
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  Speaker 1: from a tongue in cheek perspective kind of do get
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  Speaker 1: a kick out of like oh so and so hit
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  Speaker 1: a bomb off so and so or so and so
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  Speaker 1: struck out so and so because it is kind of
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  Speaker 1: fun and and it's it's also in in a few
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  Speaker 1: specific instances, like the only time we can kind of
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  Speaker 1: see like fantasy matchups, you know, within the team or whatever.
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  Speaker 1: So it's like what it what would it be like
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  Speaker 1: if Trek Scooble went up against Holswape Ersinio. Well, we
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  Speaker 1: have like a little bit of an example, and and
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  Speaker 1: and Persinio got one on schoobl So that you know,
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  Speaker 1: that's cool. You know that's a that's like a little
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  Speaker 1: bit of a fan fantasy element.
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  Speaker 2: Uh, going to the Hall of Fame where it's success
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  Speaker 2: gone to schoolbl's.
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  Speaker 3: Head Oh, I like that.
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  Speaker 1: That's the real quick type that headline in here for
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  Speaker 1: our YouTube watchers. But but anyway, uh, it's a little
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  Speaker 1: bit of a and we'll obviously talk about the spring
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  Speaker 1: training games on our next episode early next week, but
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  Speaker 1: I did want to kind of go to like the
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  Speaker 1: a thing that's like a little bit less action but
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  Speaker 1: still kind of highly interesting. We finally did see a
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  Speaker 1: regular bullpen session from one Justin Verlander. He wrote about
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  Speaker 1: this in The Athletic and that my one of my impressions, Cody,
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  Speaker 1: you know, from from reading everybody's accounts of this, is,
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  Speaker 1: you know Verlander, all this talk about how like, you know,
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  Speaker 1: attitude wise, maybe he's like kind of softened on the
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  Speaker 1: edges a little bit, you know, in his mature age.
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  Speaker 1: He's a father, he's married, like all these things that
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  Speaker 1: may be true, and I'm not disputing it, but at
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  Speaker 1: a certain point, a guy is a guy. He is
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  Speaker 1: who he is, and just it seems like this bullpen
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  Speaker 1: session was Verlander still to a te Verlander with his
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  Speaker 1: like attention to detail and everything has to kind of
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  Speaker 1: be exactly as he wants. And I mean this obviously
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  Speaker 1: in a complimentary sense, but any concerns that Berlander's just
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  Speaker 1: here to collect a paycheck in twenty thirty or whatever,
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  Speaker 1: the guy's here to pitch as well.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, no doubt he's man. He's definitely still enjoying himself.
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  Speaker 2: He's been just kind of saying hi to everyone, seems
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  Speaker 2: in a cheery mood. Playing chess against Troy Melton. I
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  Speaker 2: was walking in on Thursday and kind of crossing the
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  Speaker 2: street right as JV's pulling up in his rain drover,
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  Speaker 2: and I'm like, oh, this is my and he just
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  Speaker 2: kind of waves and he's like, no, go ahead, So yeah,
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  Speaker 2: he's been all smiles. And then he got on the
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  Speaker 2: mound and yeah, I have never seen I've watched a
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  Speaker 2: lot of spring training bullpins. I'm not sure that's something
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  Speaker 2: I should brag about. I'm not sure it's been the
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  Speaker 2: most productive use of time in my life, but I've
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  Speaker 2: never seen one quite like this. It took JV probably
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  Speaker 2: at least thirty minutes. He said he threw seventy pitches
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  Speaker 2: if you count warm ups, So he's warming up in
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  Speaker 2: his own bullpen like these or not. Before the bullpen,
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  Speaker 2: he stepped on the mound and I guess was still
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  Speaker 2: warming up in his mind, and yeah, just kind of
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  Speaker 2: seeking feedback looking at the iPad or telling Dylan Dinglar
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  Speaker 2: something after almost every pitch. I guess was the first
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  Speaker 2: time Dingler has ever caught him. So it kind of
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  Speaker 2: goes and shows what goes into catching Justin Verlander like,
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  Speaker 2: you better be on the same wavelength as him. And
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  Speaker 2: it wasn't a bad thing by any means, but I
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  Speaker 2: think it's fair to say it's a little higher maintenance
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  Speaker 2: than it is foremost pitchers. He and Dingler were working out.
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  Speaker 2: You know how Justin likes to see the target. How
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  Speaker 2: does he want Dingler's body aligned? They talked a little
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  Speaker 2: bit about sequencing. Verlander was seeking Dingler's feedback on his pitches.
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  Speaker 2: Was this cutting, was this moving? There was a lot
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  Speaker 2: that went into it. He took at least two lengthy breaks,
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  Speaker 2: conferred with Dingler and Chris Fetter, Ajhinch and some others.
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  Speaker 2: So cater Montero was on the mound next to him
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  Speaker 2: through probably twenty thirty pitches, got out of there and
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  Speaker 2: called it. Good Lander was just getting started. As he
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  Speaker 2: was walking off, you know, someone said, hey, that took
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  Speaker 2: a while, and Verland said, oh, you mean no, what
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  Speaker 2: nobody does that anymore? So I guess maybe it's more
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  Speaker 2: of an older school bullpen, but this is still how
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  Speaker 2: Justin Verlander does it. If you want to know, if
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  Speaker 2: you want to learn something about Justin Verlander, I can
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  Speaker 2: now confirm this is one meticulous person.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Actually, probably an underrated element to him being on this
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  Speaker 1: roster with you know, obviously got veterans on there, but
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  Speaker 1: nobody as veteran as him, and some of these young
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  Speaker 1: guys just kind of comparing all these like little things that, like,
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  Speaker 1: you know with yeah, it's all like Montero is like, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I'm good, I don't need any more work. Like they're
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  Speaker 1: all striving toward the same goal. But you know, there
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  Speaker 1: are like different approaches to it, especially you know whatever
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  Speaker 1: two weeks in the camp. So so that's that'd be
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  Speaker 1: something you know, interesting to follow throughout and behind the
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  Speaker 1: scenes and and.
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  Speaker 2: All that anyone looking to attend or tune into the
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  Speaker 2: Great League Games. I don't think Erlander will throw probably
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  Speaker 2: until early March. Looks like that it's going to be
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  Speaker 2: a plan for it.
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  Speaker 3: Well he doesn't need to. He's throwing seventy pitch.
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  Speaker 2: Well, he's plenty built up. I mean, doesn't seem to
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  Speaker 2: be an issue.
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  Speaker 3: We uh, we had talked about.
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  Speaker 1: We had teased this last episode Cody about you know this,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know what better ways say it, but the
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  Speaker 1: sudden resignation of Tony Clark from the head of the
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  Speaker 1: Players Association, and obviously Trek schoubl And and other guys
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  Speaker 1: on the team are involved in the Players Union to
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  Speaker 1: varying degrees, and obviously we're not breaking any news here
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  Speaker 1: about what's going on, you know, blah blah blah, there's
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  Speaker 1: plenty of stuff out there for everybody to read, including
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  Speaker 1: from our our foul territory colleague and athletic colleague, Ken Rosenthal.
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  Speaker 1: But school Ball being on the executive committee, what did
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  Speaker 1: he kind of did he shed any light on this
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  Speaker 1: or what he was is the message from sort of
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  Speaker 1: like the prominent members of the Tigers. It seems like
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  Speaker 1: the players as a whole just you know, broad landscape.
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  Speaker 1: They they seem to say like, look, you know, you know,
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  Speaker 1: they're steering clear of like talking specifically about any sort
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  Speaker 1: of misdeeds, but they do feel confident that their approach
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  Speaker 1: and their message and their plan will still be you know,
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  Speaker 1: held moving forward. So is that what school Boy's kind
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  Speaker 1: of indicated to.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that was definitely his main point. I
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  Speaker 2: think that's probably the talking point the union has maybe
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  Speaker 2: instructed players to try to get across. And by the way,
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  Speaker 2: anyone wondering if success has actually gone to Trek School's head,
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  Speaker 2: I can tell you he's been the same guy I've had.
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  Speaker 2: I've talked to him almost every every day and had
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  Speaker 2: to bug him on this union stuff, which I don't
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  Speaker 2: think you know, he was. It just puts him in
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  Speaker 2: an awkward position to talk about, because clearly they're trying
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  Speaker 2: to keep a lot of their business in house. But
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  Speaker 2: we have to sit there now ask him questions about
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  Speaker 2: all this going on. The handle it fine. He handled
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  Speaker 2: it like a pro. He's probably a little less forthcoming
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  Speaker 2: on that than I've ever seen him on like any
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  Speaker 2: other subject, but I think that was his main message.
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  Speaker 2: They think they are still strong. Bruce Meyer, of course,
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  Speaker 2: did part of his arbitration argument. Scott Borers enlisted Bruce
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  Speaker 2: Meyer to do that, So you would think that means
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  Speaker 2: Trek Scuble is going to have success or a positive
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  Speaker 2: relationship or at least familiarity with Bruce Meyer. As I
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  Speaker 2: kind of step back, like you know, I've never been
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  Speaker 2: in a union league negotiation. It's hard to know exactly
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  Speaker 2: what goes on. People want to know what this means
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  Speaker 2: for the union. Does this increase the chance of a
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  Speaker 2: lockout or missing games? And I don't really know. I
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  Speaker 2: don't think Tony Clark's resignation is a good thing, especially
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  Speaker 2: given this timing. But it's not like losing one person
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  Speaker 2: significantly alters whatever they're going to prioritize or whatever they
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  Speaker 2: might already have planned. I kind of likened it too well, Like,
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  Speaker 2: imagine if you had a manager of a really talented
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  Speaker 2: team step away for some reason. Not to put this
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  Speaker 2: out there, but like if for some reason, hypothetically Dave
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  Speaker 2: Roberts had to resign tomorrow, would the Dodgers be hopeless. No,
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  Speaker 2: they'd still have a pretty good team. They'd still be
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  Speaker 2: in pretty good shape. It just might create some extra wrinkles,
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  Speaker 2: some extra challenges. It's gonna be more workload on somebody else.
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  Speaker 2: That's so that's kind of how I feel about it
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  Speaker 2: at this point.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I would tend to agree with that. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: it's hard to call that net positive just whenever there's
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  Speaker 1: organ organizational structures at this point, but overall, it is
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  Speaker 1: early enough that in theory, everything should kind of move
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  Speaker 1: basically as planned as they go through negotiations. All right,
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  Speaker 1: let's uh, let's go to the number one news item
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  Speaker 1: of the day, Cody. We have the long away alternate
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  Speaker 1: uniform reveal from the Detroit Tigers, and we had obviously
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  Speaker 1: gotten a glimpse of this from fanatics. The orange uniform
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  Speaker 1: was part of the trailer and MLB the show, so
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  Speaker 1: obviously we kind of saw a little bit.
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  Speaker 3: Of this coming.
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  Speaker 1: But now we have tangible official results here, and we
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  Speaker 1: have the graphic up on our YouTube page special Turtlesen
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  Speaker 1: and Carrie Carpenters serving as models. You guys have probably
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  Speaker 1: all seen it by now. Not going to break down
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  Speaker 1: every little thing. I'm just gonna kind of give like
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  Speaker 1: a broad like impression and say that I like them,
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  Speaker 1: like the because this is different from a conceptual standpoint
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  Speaker 1: than the City Connects. Where the City Connects, you're just
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  Speaker 1: trying you're creating something you know from scratch, basically, and
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  Speaker 1: you're trying to incorporate all these elements, whereas these uniforms
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  Speaker 1: are meant to look like Detroit Tigers uniforms, whereas the
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  Speaker 1: City Connects are supposed to be kind of like this
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  Speaker 1: whole different thing, and these look like Detroit Tiger's uniforms.
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  Speaker 1: I like the patch. It's probably my favorite piece of
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  Speaker 1: the uniform. And I thought, like, you know, the the
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  Speaker 1: mission of honoring the past while you know, doing something
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  Speaker 1: like a little bit more new.
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  Speaker 3: I thought they nailed that.
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  Speaker 1: It's not like it's not anything that I would say, like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, they knocked it out of the park.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think you needed to knock it out of
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  Speaker 3: the Park.
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  Speaker 1: I think you just needed it a good, solid, good
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  Speaker 1: looking uniform that's just different enough to feel fresh and
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  Speaker 1: I while also having elements that the fans are gonna love.
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  Speaker 3: And I think they did a good job with that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I did see him in person on Thursday.
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  Speaker 2: They look pretty similar to the pictures. I thought the
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  Speaker 2: orange looked actually a little bit lighter in person. But yeah,
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  Speaker 2: they look nice. I don't have a huge strong take
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  Speaker 2: on these. I am fine with them. Again, they didn't
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  Speaker 2: overdo it, they didn't try to get too cute. I
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  Speaker 2: do think that's important. I like the subtle nods to history,
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  Speaker 2: and they are always going to be. Some people who
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  Speaker 2: don't want these think the Tigers should never change anything right,
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  Speaker 2: and look, I think it's important that Tigers are charter
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  Speaker 2: members of the American League. I think it's very important
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  Speaker 2: to honor the organization's history. I also think it's a
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  Speaker 2: little bit of a myth that like well, the Tigers
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  Speaker 2: should only wear like The Tigers have had a lot
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  Speaker 2: of different jersey variations throughout their history and different logos.
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  Speaker 2: The d itself has changed numerous times. Used to have
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  Speaker 2: a tiger that looked cracked out as one of your
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  Speaker 2: logos like there has been change throughout the history of
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  Speaker 2: this franchise, so it gets a little bit overstated, even
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  Speaker 2: though that before City Connects, the tigersould only warn non
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  Speaker 2: white jersey at home one time, and that was in
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  Speaker 2: nineteen ninety five. But clearly those days are in the past.
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  Speaker 2: Is twenty twenty six, things change. Every team except the
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  Speaker 2: Yankees has an alternate uniform now, so I think that's fine. Again,
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  Speaker 2: these aren't ridiculous. These fit with the team's existing color scheme.
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  Speaker 2: You keep the old English d you keep the script Detroit.
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  Speaker 2: The Tigers wanted to get across that. They worked, did
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  Speaker 2: some focus groups with fans, talked to players, and felt
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  Speaker 2: that this is what people wanted. Obviously it's not going
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  Speaker 2: to be one hundred percent, but the organization felt the
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  Speaker 2: majority of people wanted this. I'll be curious to see
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  Speaker 2: what it looks like like when they're on the field.
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  Speaker 2: I was reading an old Jason Beck's story about those
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  Speaker 2: ninety five blues and then that Alan Trammell talked about
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  Speaker 2: the orange batting practice jerseys they used to wear, and
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  Speaker 2: he said, we all looked at like pumpkins. So as
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  Speaker 2: we see these orange jerseys more, will the Tigers look
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  Speaker 2: like pumpkins or will people fall in love with them?
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  Speaker 2: I think that's something to monitor, But I think these
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  Speaker 2: will do well. I think a lot of people will
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  Speaker 2: buy them. Right now, they seem to look pretty nice
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  Speaker 2: to me.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, And I also like that they did like a
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  Speaker 1: special hat for him too, because again, like part of
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  Speaker 1: the part of the element of these alternate uniforms is
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  Speaker 1: to get you to feel like you're doing something fresher,
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  Speaker 1: to get you to feel like you're like in something
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  Speaker 1: new and kind of like trick your mind that way,
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  Speaker 1: and the hat is is obviously an iconic part of
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  Speaker 1: any baseball uniform. And I thought, again, you know, it
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  Speaker 1: matches up well and didn't try too hard. Just at
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  Speaker 1: a little orange and we're all good and we can
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  Speaker 1: move on.
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  Speaker 3: So I'm excited to.
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  Speaker 1: See them and uh, you know, on TV, in person, whatever.
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  Speaker 1: But I, like I said, I think they look like
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  Speaker 1: Tiger's uniforms. Now, if you asked me what, like, if
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  Speaker 1: I was a part of the focus group, that would
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  Speaker 1: have been my number one thing, It's like, do they
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  Speaker 1: look like Tiger's uniforms?
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  Speaker 3: And I would say that these obviously do.
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  Speaker 2: I do think it makes the City Connects look worse.
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  Speaker 2: And I always thought the City Connects were fine, like
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  Speaker 2: middle of the pack as far as CE Connects go.
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  Speaker 2: Seeing these it's like, oh yeah, these are these are
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  Speaker 2: a lot better than the City Connects.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean worse.
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  Speaker 1: Like I understand where you're coming from. The way I
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  Speaker 1: would probably phrase it is like more cartoonish, you know
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  Speaker 1: what I mean. Yeah, yeah, So, and like it's okay,
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  Speaker 1: it's okay.
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  Speaker 3: They don't have to. They didn't have to.
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  Speaker 1: They don't have to like make you redefine your fandom
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  Speaker 1: for for the team. It's just like it's just something
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  Speaker 1: a little bit different. That's the world we live in,
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  Speaker 1: and and that's okay.
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  Speaker 3: All right.
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  Speaker 1: Well, we've done outfielders for pressure ratings, We've done infielders
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  Speaker 1: for pressure ratings, but we had an infielder and an
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  Speaker 1: outfielder that was part of the modeling rollout.
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  Speaker 3: For these new uniforms.
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  Speaker 1: So I think I'm gonna add like another quarter of
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  Speaker 1: a point to Torque and to Carpenter's pressure rating, because look,
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  Speaker 1: if you're if you're chosen and you agreed to be
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  Speaker 1: part like a model for a new uniform, you can't
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  Speaker 1: have a bad season after that because otherwise, like the
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  Speaker 1: uniform itself, and you like this image that we just
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  Speaker 1: showed of Carpenter and Torque. If they have bad seasons,
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  Speaker 1: this is gonna live on in infamy. Like that's like
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  Speaker 1: there's a little bit, a little bit more pressure there.
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  Speaker 1: So so hopefully they have good seasons and and this
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  Speaker 1: becomes like a cool picture instead of one that evokes
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  Speaker 1: negative emotions of moving forwards.
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  Speaker 3: I just wanted to get that out of the way first,
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  Speaker 3: But Trek Scooble.
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  Speaker 1: Where else to start but Trek Schouble for how much
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  Speaker 1: pressure is on each player? And I tend to go
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  Speaker 1: high here, Cody, because I think Schooble puts a lot
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  Speaker 1: of pressure on himself in general. And it's also the
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  Speaker 1: contract year. You're chasing history. You're very like vocal about
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  Speaker 1: like what your goals in the game are, you know,
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  Speaker 1: in this instance, like winning a World series as well.
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  Speaker 1: He's not shy about that, so I kind of you
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  Speaker 1: don't want to say, like the stakes are high, like
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  Speaker 1: a Parker Meadows type where we said, like, you know,
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  Speaker 1: things could kind of break here, But I'm I'm gonna
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  Speaker 1: go with the three seven five, because like he's a
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  Speaker 1: he's not made man in a financial sense, but he's
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  Speaker 1: he's already a member of baseball and Tiger's history. But
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  Speaker 1: the man is not satisfied. So there's gonna be some
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  Speaker 1: part of pressure. Plus, you're the lead staff, a leader
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  Speaker 1: of a staff of a team that has like high aspirations,
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  Speaker 1: so there has to be some pressure with that.
• 17:17
  Speaker 3: So that's my read on the school situation.
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, as we've kind of talked about throughout this pressure
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: index series, how do we define pressure? I think it
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: can be defined in different ways. I think Trek Scuogle
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: is very confident. He doesn't need to feel like the
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: way of the world is on his shoulders, but in
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: a way, the weight of Tiger Nation is.
• 17:39
  Speaker 3: Maybe he does feel that. That's probably how he gets going.
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: So like, do you want to become the highest paid
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: pitcher ever? You have a good year and that is
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: gonna happen. So from that wins, there is certainly some
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: pressure on him. Let's not forget the Tigers have lost
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: Alds Game fives in back to back years with schooball
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: on the mound. He gave up a Grand Slam the
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: first time he pitched really well, but didn't you know,
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: for whatever However, we want to religate he was pulled.
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: He didn't. It's not like he threw a complete game,
• 18:09
  Speaker 2: even though he pitched really well last year. Surely that
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: leaves a little bit of a bad taste in his mouth.
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: And whether this is his last year in Detroit or not,
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: he is kind of the dude on this team for
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: a club that has some World Series aspirations. So through
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: the very nature, there's some pressure there.
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: All right, we'll just kind of keep going down the
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: starting rotation from Bervaldez Cody. You know, he is the
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: high priced, high priced free agent. He is in position
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: to get another deal if he wants them, but it's
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: not going to be after this next season. It's going
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: to be at the earliest after next season. And he's
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: not the ace. He's not brought in to cure anything.
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: He's not brought in to be like the you know,
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: have to talk to guys like you you know, you
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: know every day about something with the team. Uh, pressure
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: to win, pressure to a little expectations does exist, but
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: and also like a little bit of a pressure to
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: reshape your reputation. So like I like, so I'm kind
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: of this is boring, but it's kind of going middle
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: of the road, I'm going I'm going two point seventy five.
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: Like there's there's pressure there, you're gonna be the number two.
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: But you but there, but you got some money. But
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: there's more out there for you and and more stuff
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: out there for you to improve on than just like
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: your stats and your counting numbers.
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: So that's kind of where I ride with uh with fromber.
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the pressure is to acclimate to a
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: new team, prove yourself to a new city, a new
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: fan base, do right by the club that is paying you.
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: In a way, he's accomplished a lot of things Trek
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: Scobel would like to accomplish. From Bravaldez got a pretty
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: nice bag this winter, even if it's not what he
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: might have aimed for initially. He has been a part
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: of World Series Champion. He has thrown a no hitter.
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: Uh that doesn't mean he's like satisfied, but he's checked
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: some of those boxes. So I just think through that,
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: like there's not the tangible sense of pressure on him.
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: He's not the guy everyone is looking to, but he's
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: a pretty damn important part of this team at the
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: same time.
• 20:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, for sure.
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: And and somebody that will be looked to in crucial situations,
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: because how do you avoid another game five like heartbreaker?
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: You win him four.
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: And another guy that's gonna have something to say about
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: that is Jack Flaherty and Jack Flarerity. Uh. You know,
• 20:43
  Speaker 1: we like a favorite of the content machine that that
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: is our podcast is trying to, you know, tongue in
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: cheekly figure out what's up with Jack Flarity. Uh he
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: is I thought he was. He profiles as a good
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: number two. I think he's a freaking excellent number three
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: on a staff and maybe maybe this alleviates a little
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: bit of pressure he would otherwise have. But another guy who,
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: for reasons that we could get into but are pretty apparent,
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: hasn't gotten the free agent money that I'm sure he
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: would like. And again it's a contract year. He decided
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: to come back. He is a champion, he would you know,
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: be winning a championship again, would would obviously bolster that resume.
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: I'm going I'm going with a three point twenty five
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: for Jack Flaherty and if if there was no Fromber
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: would be higher. But when you can slide in at
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: number three, it's a lot, it's a lot easier.
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you mentioned it, but I think it's the money
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: that is the real pressure on Jack. He clearly thought
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: he should have done better, and probably did deserve to
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: do better in free agency a couple of years ago,
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: didn't test the free agent market at all. This past time.
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: He switched his agency to Wasserman at a time other
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: people were leaving Wasserman for different, different reasons, but he
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: switched his representation. I think that's a sign he's focused
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: on improving his brand and hopefully trying to fare better
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: in the open market come this next winter. You know,
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: probably the easiest way to farewell in the open market
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: is just to go out and have a really good season.
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: Even two years ago, he fell off just enough and
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: the fastball fell off just enough that it gave teams
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: some reason for pause. We all know the medical situation
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: at the trade deadline two years ago, so continuing to
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: stay healthy would be a very big deal for him.
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: So I think that's where the pressure is. He's had
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: probably a couple of chances to cash in and it
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: hasn't happened for him. Now this is his chance to
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: get that big payday before before he gets older, and
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: that may never come. So this is a pretty important
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: year for him in terms of his lifetime earnings.
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: Casey Mice.
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: Uh, by the way, did you know that Casey Mice
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: was a number one overall pick in twenty eighteen?
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: Did you know that?
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: I think?
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: I So.
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: Here's the thing, Like, Casey Mice is that kind of weird,
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: Like in terms of like stature element, Casey Mize like
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: he was drafted to see this rebuild all the way through,
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: and in several aspects he has like he was an
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: All star last year.
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: Give him respect for that.
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: You know, he has had injury concerns and inconsistency as
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: well as as well as having like his draft classmate
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: kind of surpassed it. Now their best friends. I don't
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: think he's like upset about it, but it is like
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: a thing that has happened over the course of his
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: professional career. He is also going into a contract year.
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: Are you noticing a pattern? He is also going into
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: a contract year, and and somebody that like, from a
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: personal standpoint, when you're a draft in the first round,
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: specifically number one overall, the number one thing that you're
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: looking for is to be like, did I help turn
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: this franchise around? He has, but they haven't reached the
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: ultimate heights. Is a is a guy that could make
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: himself a lot of money this year. If you throw
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: in the one to one element, I'm gonna I'm gonna
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: go with the four here. We still have yet to
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: see him in several ways go you know, regain his
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: twenty twenty one form, which I would remind people he
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: was a three point four war player in twenty twenty one,
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: so like if he could have something closer to that,
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: he was one point six last year.
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: For whatever it's worth.
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: If you have something close to that, the Tigers Experience Division,
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: Pennant World Series, whatever, like, that's a that's a legacy
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: pretty well fulfilled, especially if you look at the rest
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: of that first round draft class.
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna give it. I'm gonna give Casey a four.
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: Fourth big the funniest way, you know, we never really
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: talk about wins and losses on this podcast unless we're
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: talking about Casey Mice because for whatever reason, it's always
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: the most striking way to look at his career. Casey
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: Miz has a career record of twenty three and twenty
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: five as a Detroit Tigers starting pitcher, which is just ridiculous.
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: Like a for how few decisions he has actually factored into,
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: given all the time he has missed, and then the
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: fact like when he has been healthy, he's been like
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: not maybe the pitcher, he has build the b but
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: he's been like pretty solid. He's twenty three and twenty five,
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: So in that way, Yeah, his Tigers legacy, you know,
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: he could cement it a lot better with a good
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: season and helping the teams. The teams rise, and then
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: in the open market. I have no idea how Casey
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: miz will fare in free agency. There are the obvious
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: concerns with flarity, but he strikes out guys like there
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: are metrics that attracted a pitching savvy team like the
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: Tigers to Jack Flaherty, Casey miss struggled to miss bats
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: like I don't. I don't know what that market will
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: look like for him, So I think it's gonna be
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: important year for him to kind of try to shape
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: that market and bolster his case too. Is he even
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: a guy who gets a like a multi year contract, Like,
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: I really don't know, and I think it's pretty important
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: for him to shape his future, no doubt.
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Well, let's let's go to Erlander this one.
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: I feel like has to be kind of low, like
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: obviously he's a Hall of Famer, obviously, like he's uh,
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: he'll forever be a made man in Detroit. Like the
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: fans have you know, loved him since he came up
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: and then uh, you know, even I you know, saw
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: the clip of when he made his return to Detroit
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: as a member of the Astros. Uh, this is as
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: feel good a story as we've had in Tiger's Land
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: in some time. I'll give it like a one point
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: twenty five just because, like, you know, you want to
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: win World Series again. He wasn't number one overall, but
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: the one thing he didn't do in Detroit was when
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: a World Series.
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: So I'll give it a little bit.
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: But he's obviously not somebody that you know, the stakes
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: are riding on.
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: So yeah, so that it's a feel good story.
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: It's a real story, a little bit of pressure, but
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: you know, also a legacy firmly intact.
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he really comes here with no pressure. You know,
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: he's justin Verlander. The only thing is you just hope
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: it's not as disaster, Like wouldn't that be terrible, you
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: know if he's just bad, because that could get awkward
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: very quickly. I think he proved enough last year. That's
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: one of the reasons that Tigers were confident bringing him one.
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: They think he can be pretty good or at least serviceable.
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: You just there's that one thing in the back of
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: your minds, like what if this goes real south? That
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: would be that would be unfortunate. Any other scenario, whether
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: he's okay, whether he's pretty good but injured a lot,
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: or whether he goes out and shoves any other scenario
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: people are going to enjoy. I think he wants to
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: stay healthy and give this team some quality innings, and
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: he will put some pressure on himself too to do
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: that and try to write the type of into the
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: story that he wants.
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: How about get into the bullpen here? How about Kyle
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: Finnigan and and I and I I go to Kyle
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: Finnegan because you know, and speaking of you know, labor disputes.
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: The whole history of the Finnigan family and the Tigers
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: is fascinating.
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: You wrote about it.
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: I encourage everybody to go read that on the Athletic
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: and again, a guy that was the crown jewel of
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: the trade deadline last last year for the Tigers and
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: then brought back. Uh, still don't exactly know, like if
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: what the sustainability of of what of what he do
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: on this staff is. He's obviously not gonna be relied upon.
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: This is a tough one for me, Cody. I think
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with a two two point eight for
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: Kyle Finn Again on the pressure meter, it's very precise.
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: I don't know that there's a big sense of pressure,
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: but you know, just when I think of and again
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: we've said this before, but like, is there a chance
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: the Tigers got the best eighteen innings of his career
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: after the trade deadline last season? Like that is the
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: one fear be curious to see what the splitter is
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: like and how much he uses it and how he's
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: the same or how he's different than than what we
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: saw toward the tail end of last year. He did
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: give up runs in his past three playoff appearances, which
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: might have left a little bit of a bitter taste
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: in his mouth. But there is a guy who's a
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: good pitcher, and he's got a pretty solid, consistent track record.
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: I don't think there's a ton of pressure on him
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: other than like the Tigers need their bullpen to be good.
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: They need the back of the bullpen to be something
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: close to what it's being built to be right now,
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: and then that's the only real source of pressure.
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: Well again like that, it's funny like these are guys
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: and Will go will Vest next, Like these are guys
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: that will be in literal, literal pressure situations.
• 30:22
  Speaker 3: Uh you know.
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: Of the majority of the time that they are on
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: the mound. And and Will Vest is a guy that,
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: like the the pressure element for will Vest is finding
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: being able to find a way to best acclimate in
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: this kind of three headed late ending monster that that
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: the Tigers have created. And and I think like most
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: guys who prefer the ninth only. And then we've talked
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: about what is any Well, you know what his numbers
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: are based on, you know, the ending that he pitches in.
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: But I don't think there's like a whole lot of
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: pressure on Will. I'm gonna go with He's he's got
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: more of a track record with this organization than Finnigin obviously,
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: So I'm gonna go with a one point nine to
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: three pressure rating for Will Best.
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: How is that for specific I think there's more pressure
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: on Vest than there is Finnegan because Vest hasn't had
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: the big payday yet in his career. He's still trying
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: to prove himself. He's trying to prove himself as a
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: guy that can be a closer for the long haul
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: of his career. So what he does this year, regardless
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: of how he's used, will impact this. And maybe this
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: could apply to Skyle Finnigan too. But like the narrative
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: since Kiley Jansen showed up in camp has been pretty positive.
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: But let's not forget like kind of the mixed or
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: like apprehensive reaction when Kim Lee Jansen signed. His underlying
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: metrics were really not very good last season. If Kiley
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: Jansen comes out and isn't that good, one a vest
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: where Finnegan could be thrust to be like the dude
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: in the ninth inning. I think that might fall invest
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: because I think he's earned it. He was really good
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: for the Tigers last year, and I think there might
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: be some sense of pressure on him just because that
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: scenario exists, and because there's a guy who's still kind
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: of trying to prove his value deeper into his career.
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and that brings up, you know, the Jansen
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: piece of this. If Aj Hinch is going to do
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: the closest thing AJ Hinch could do to name a
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: closer and name you a closer, which is essentially what
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: he's done. That there is some pressure to that because
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: again there are other guys that we just discussed who
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: are at worst capable of handling the save situation. So
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: another guy who like historically is a made man, but
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: still is you know, seemed I would say, seems motivated,
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: is not like just resting on his laurels. I would
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: give Jansen like a solid I'll give him a two
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: point five. I probably goes straight down the middle. Again
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: here it's like you're still going to be a pressure situations.
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: There are still other guys on this team that could
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: do your job, but you are you know, you are
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: brought in for a specific reason and you do have
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: a track record that says that you can accomplish it.
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think for the record reasons I just outlined,
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: there's some pressure on Kinley Jensen. He's getting paid and
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: yet you know, some good surface results, some some concerning
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: underlying numbers last season, he is chasing the three hundred
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: save threshold. So like there's a little bit of a
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: legacy element for him. But I think there's a proved
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: element too that to try to prove that some of
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: those metrics that might have scared off some other teams
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: in free agency were not as important as as some
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: might have thought. So like, yeah, I mean, I think
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: that's kind of what it is. I'm really interested to
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: see what Kenley Jansen is going to look like when
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: we get into meaningful games.
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: And just just for housekeeping purposes, five hundred it's safe
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: mark for wow, for Kenley Jansen. For seventy six I
• 34:16
  Speaker 1: believe is the number he's How about Tyler Holton? Tyler
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: Holden was like this, you know, for a couple of
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: years there was kind of like this secret weapon that
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: the Tigers you know, had at their disposal the two
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: point nine war and twenty twenty three at three point
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: one war in twenty twenty four dipped and was not
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: as consistent in twenty twenty five point seven war. Obviously,
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: we talked about that as the season was going on.
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: I would remind that this is his looking at his birthday.
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: He will turn thirty this year, So like, you know,
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: what's how long of a leash does Tyler Holten get
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: to kind of be the guy that we've kind of
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: grown accustomed to him being, so I'll put this at
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: three point three.
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: Wow. I don't think there's much pressure on Tyler Holton
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: other than like all these guys who are pre free agency,
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: like trying to extend your career, increase your career earnings.
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: But this is a guy who spot remains as solid
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: as ever. He's going to get used in a variety
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: of situations like all ways. You know, at times last
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: year he wasn't quite as good as he had been
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: years prior, but he's still a pretty good left handed
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: bullpen option. Like, I just don't know really what else
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: he has to prove other than maybe try to get
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: back to kind of a guy who received an MVP vote.
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: That's a pretty high bar. Relievers numbers are probably going
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: to vary year to year a little bit by their
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: very nature. I don't I don't see any real compelling
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: reason beyond the super long term why Tyler Holton should
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: feel any pressure this season.
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: Do we want to do and we'll try to go
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: quickly here do we want to do? Troy Melton? Troy
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: melt I feel like this is low, Like.
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: I think Troy Melton, if I'm Troy Melton. I'm wanting
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: to prove I'm a big league starter. I wanted to
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: end of this year in the big league rotation. I
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: wanted to show up to camp this time next year
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: like with my spot locked. So from that regard, like
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: it's it's a little more of like a platform, not
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: a financial platform year, but a platform year maybe for
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: what his future in the organization looks like. But the
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: good news is the Tigers have signed other guys. They're
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: not a ton of expectations bestowed on him right now
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: here in the early days of spring training. So a
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: little pressure, but not a lot.
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: What about a guy that we haven't really talked a
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: lot about recently, Bow Brisky. By the way, pressure in
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: the beard Hi Beard Beard Beard is also high on
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: the index for me. I like the bow Brisky Beard. Yeah,
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: but like, yeah, what what you so you say?
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: Hi?
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: High pressure on bow Brisky.
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: I mean, there's a guy trying to reassert himself as
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: not just a back bullpen piece, but as a member
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: of the roster. He's coming in fighting for a spot
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: after an injury riddled year. AJ Hinch seems pretty optimistic
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: right now about Brisky. I've watched two of his live sessions.
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: I thought he was spraying it a little bit in
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: the first one. He was all right. In the second one,
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: Kevin McGonagall did take him deep, though, and that ball
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: had probably a launch angle of like forty degrees and
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: McGonagall just smoked it straight in the air and it
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: kept carrying. So it was a fast ball. Pretty impressive
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: swing by Kevin McGonagall to time out Bowbriski. It's worth
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: remembering how good Boberski was late in twenty twenty four.
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: Imagine if he's healthy and he recaptures that form. I mean,
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: then you're talking a four headed monster at the back
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: of this bullpen, not a three headed monster. And maybe
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: that takes pressure off all the other guys we just mentioned.
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: But entering camp right now, Bobersky's not guaranteed anything. He
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: could start the year in triple A Toledo like a
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: reminder that being a reliever in the big leagues is
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: and so he's really feeling it. He has to reassert
• 38:03
  Speaker 2: himself in Sanalthy.
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: We about Drew Anderson.
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: Hmmm, that's a good one, Drew Anderson. He hasn't been
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: talked about a ton in camp. It is weird this
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: guy they signed, and now it's just kind of like, oh, yeah,
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: they signed Drew Anderson. I've watched him a little bit.
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: That kick change man. That pitchure looks pretty nice, so
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: I'll be curious how that can play. But I am like,
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: I'm like, I don't have the best feeling otherwise, like
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: how good is the fastball? How good is the command
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: going to be? How is he going to be used?
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: If I'm Drew Anderson, like, you're glad the Tigers brought
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: in other starters, but you also got to be there
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: kind of like wait, thought I was gonna be like
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: giving a shot to make this rotation. You know, yea,
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: injuries are a part of this, but right now he's
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: he's uh. I'm sure he'll build up as a starter,
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: but he probably projects to make the team in the bullpen.
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: The only pressure on Drew Anderson is actually pressure on
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: Scott Harris to make sure the Tigers got this signing
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: right and aren't just flushing seven million dollars down the toilet.
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: Good on Drew Anderson. This guy's coming back from Korea.
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: He's getting seven mil. He probably couldn't have been advisioned
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: that A couple of years ago. So in that sense
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: house money. If Drew Anderson is bad, the one taking
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: the flak isn't gonna be Drew, It's gonna be Scott.
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: Uh. Yeah, I was about to say, like, there's no
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: way he thought he was gonna get a seven million
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: dollar major league contract, you know, probably at this time
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: last year or two years ago. And how about I'm
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: a group some of these guys together, and I realized
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: this is somewhat unfair. But you know, the Bailey Horns
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: that Drew Sommer sammers like lefty specialists, Like we kind
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: of figure we could probably project like a lot of
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: you know, up down for these guys, depending on situations
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: and health and and all that stuff. But to maybe
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: be unfair and stick to some star is like Sawyer
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: Gibson long Ty Madden.
• 40:04
  Speaker 3: Madden's an interesting one. There's a little bit Ti Madden.
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: Now there's a little bit of pressure to be like look, man,
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: remember I was essentially a first round pick.
• 40:13
  Speaker 3: Everybody loved me.
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: I was great at the University of Texas. Uh.
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: We were saying, you're like, no, I probably shouldn't trade
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: Ti Madden, like this guy who he may not be
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: a star, but he profiles to someone who could pitch
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: in the big leagues a long time. Now we're here
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: like barely. I'm glad we're talking about him now because
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: we've barely talked about him.
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: And Cater Montero falls into this category as well, where
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: I just like, I mean, I like him, I know
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: the organization likes him, but there's also an element of
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: you know, he's twenty he'll turn.
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: Twenty five this year.
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: It's not it's not old, but it's not young either,
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: and like, will he ever kind of get his rotation?
• 40:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, spot.
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: You know, Cater been done a good job doing whatever
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: the organization has asked him. But if I were kaya Montaro,
• 41:05
  Speaker 2: I would be sick and tired or drive in between
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: Toledo and Detroit. And not just because of the construction.
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: I think he, you know, really wants to be on
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: the big league team. He even said, I don't really
• 41:18
  Speaker 2: care whether it's rotation or bullpen. I want to be
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: in the big league. So some pressure on him to
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: go out there and earn that and make that a
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: reality this year. He could certainly get a rotation look
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: or some spots starts. But what he did out of
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: the pin in the playoffs, and Seattle has really stuck
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: with me. I get We've talked about this before, like
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: the Tigers don't love to move guys to the bullpen
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: if they don't have to, basically just they have more
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: value short term and long term if they're stretched out
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: as starters. But sometimes I wonder, I don't know, if
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: you just move Cater to the bullpen and he became
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: really good for you. We'll see where the opportunities end
• 41:56
  Speaker 2: up being this season, but I'm a little optimistic one
• 42:00
  Speaker 2: Cater Montero. You mentioned Drew Summers. I watched him too.
• 42:04
  Speaker 2: He looked kind of nice in a live VP session.
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: He's kind of like the pitching version of how you
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: lee a guy. The Tigers internally just love and just
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: rave about, and you talk to scouts, you talk to
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: other people and they're like whatever. So I'll be curious,
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: and that was kind of my feeling. Like last year
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: Drew Summers, I was disappointed by how basically like how
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: little sizzle was on his stuff when he got up
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: to the big leagues. Watched him a couple of days ago. Man,
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: it looked like he had added a little life to
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: that fastball. I'll be interested to see if he can
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: fulfill kind of the high hopes that Tigers have for him.
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and also a sneaky like valuable contributor is a
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: brand herder, you know.
• 42:48
  Speaker 3: Another you don't get talked about enough either.
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, parts two.
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: Years, one point eight war, the last two seasons like comebye,
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: Like that's pretty good, man, pretty good. And again like
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: a guy that they they ask a lot of and
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: you know, speaking of like we don't have you know,
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: don't do things unless we have to. They just decide
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: for him whatever, we're gonna ask him to do it all.
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: And that's a great point. We say this, but they
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: heard her. They haven't tried to kept stretching out as
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: a starter. May he probably I think it's because he's
• 43:20
  Speaker 2: lefty and probably profiles more valuable, more usable, uh in
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: in that type of role. But you're right, man, they've
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: asked him to do a million different things. He's for
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: the most part delivered. Had to overcome a little bit
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: of adversity, find himself, find the mechanics, find the slider.
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: Last year he made a nice adjustment. I'd probably project
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: him to be in the bullpen right now. It'll be
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: interesting to see if the Tigers carry two or three
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: lefties when they open the season in San Diego. This
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: is the Tigers. They're going to go back and forth
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: between how many lefties are in their bullpen. But right
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: now I would have heard her as my number two
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: with Summers with some other guys like in Manual. That
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: HASU one of the non roster guys. Uh kind of
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: knocking on the door in the mix for that competition.
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: And that's a good time as any of the tea's.
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: We'll have a roster projection coming up real soon and
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: and uh and we'll have some games to talk about
• 44:16
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• 44:22
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• 44:27
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• 44:29
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