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- 0:00Speaker 1: Brought to you by the reinvented two thousand twelve Camray.
- 0:03Speaker 1: It's ready. Are you welcome to stuff you should know
- 0:08Speaker 1: from house Stuff Works dot com? Ho ho ho, and
- 0:16Speaker 1: welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark with me as
- 0:20Speaker 1: always is Charles W. Shuck. I heart Christmas time, Briant,
- 0:26Speaker 1: Yours is way better than mine. Mine. Sounded like a
- 0:28Speaker 1: an Irish priest leprin. Yeah, terrible, going great, Yeah, this
- 0:37Speaker 1: should be coming out right at Christmas. Yeah, we're gonna
- 0:41Speaker 1: We're gonna plan for that. So if it is, it's
- 0:44Speaker 1: all of you listening out there in podcast land. We
- 0:47Speaker 1: hope you're having a great holiday season. Yeah, yeah, and
- 0:52Speaker 1: safe and well and with family and and uh we
- 0:55Speaker 1: wish you all a merry Christmas and Hanukah and Kwanza
- 0:59Speaker 1: and whatever each used to celebrate ted what's that? I
- 1:03Speaker 1: think that's a Buddhist New Year. Um, there's all sorts
- 1:06Speaker 1: of stuff going on this time of year. Yeah, big time. Yeah,
- 1:09Speaker 1: but we chose to talk about Christmas. Chuck was brought Baptist,
- 1:13Speaker 1: I was raised Catholic. It's what we know. And it's
- 1:16Speaker 1: a pretty interesting story too. And if you're Jewish and
- 1:19Speaker 1: you hate Christmas. You're gonna stick around because you're gonna
- 1:22Speaker 1: love this one, right, Yeah, and you know what, next year,
- 1:24Speaker 1: we will do one on Hanakah. Okay, deal, Yeah, I
- 1:27Speaker 1: actually know a significant amount about Hankka. Well, let's do
- 1:30Speaker 1: it next year, and then a book it and we'll
- 1:32Speaker 1: eventually do Quansa too. Yeah, we'll do that in eleven maybe,
- 1:35Speaker 1: or maybe we'll do like a holiday extravaganza. Buddy. If
- 1:39Speaker 1: if we're still around in two thousand eleven, then we're
- 1:41Speaker 1: either doing something right or something wrong. Haven't decided which. Okay,
- 1:45Speaker 1: all right, Josh Chromas, is that what we're calling it? Christmas? Okay? So, Chuck,
- 1:52Speaker 1: have you ever engaged in um Christmas? Yes, Josh, what's
- 1:56Speaker 1: a year? I've engaged in thirty eight of them? Wow?
- 1:59Speaker 1: That pretty nice, Thank you? That was my int alright,
- 2:02Speaker 1: let's talk about this man. It's so ubiquitous. There's um
- 2:06Speaker 1: people who are usually drunk, dressed up as Santa Claus,
- 2:09Speaker 1: ringing bells asking for donations. There's little kids like screeching
- 2:13Speaker 1: in the middle of aisles and toy stores. There are
- 2:18Speaker 1: um minds like elbowing one another in the face. To
- 2:21Speaker 1: get to that last line, and then there's people who
- 2:27Speaker 1: are um punching Walmart greeters in the stomach for saying
- 2:30Speaker 1: Happy Holidays instead of Merry Christmas. It's the most contentious
- 2:33Speaker 1: time of the year. Do you know where I am.
- 2:36Speaker 1: I'm at home and I am shopping online. Dude, it
- 2:39Speaker 1: is the way to go. Never again. And you know
- 2:41Speaker 1: what we got to Ohio. I just had the gifts
- 2:42Speaker 1: ship straight to my in law's house. Very smart, no must,
- 2:45Speaker 1: no fuss. Yeah, it's as long as you order early
- 2:49Speaker 1: enough to make sure you're not spending the last week
- 2:51Speaker 1: biting your nails when they arrive in time. I can
- 2:54Speaker 1: tell you, um by experience, that people are very forgiving
- 2:58Speaker 1: if their gifts aren't there. All you do was you
- 3:00Speaker 1: get a little card, you right it inside like you're
- 3:02Speaker 1: getting this, or you print out a picture of it.
- 3:05Speaker 1: It's like it's coming, I promise, and then a coupon
- 3:08Speaker 1: for a free BackRub. I did do coupons once. One year.
- 3:12Speaker 1: I was so broken. I had a friend take a
- 3:14Speaker 1: picture of me standing there with my pockets turned out,
- 3:17Speaker 1: me going like it's like, no, it wasn't last year.
- 3:20Speaker 1: It was like five years ago. And um that was that,
- 3:23Speaker 1: Like everybody kept it. No one turned it in. They
- 3:25Speaker 1: just like they're sure tickets so much. I made birdhouses
- 3:29Speaker 1: one year when I was broken. They were good to sure,
- 3:32Speaker 1: they're nice alright. So let's talk about Christis How do this?
- 3:35Speaker 1: How did this jam get started? Well, Josh, the roots
- 3:38Speaker 1: of Christmas are varied, to say the least. You cannot
- 3:42Speaker 1: riotously very You cannot point to one single thing and
- 3:45Speaker 1: say Christmas was born out of this Jesus's birthday on December.
- 3:50Speaker 1: You can't even point to the aspects of Christmas and
- 3:53Speaker 1: say that each one was born out of this. You can't. Basically,
- 3:57Speaker 1: Christmas is a bunch of different groups that are from
- 4:02Speaker 1: antiquity brought together, right, Yeah. Like, Uh. Most of these
- 4:07Speaker 1: early um versions of Christmas, I guess, if you even
- 4:11Speaker 1: want to call it that were festivals that marked the
- 4:14Speaker 1: winter solstice in Europe, mainly Uh and um Rome. True
- 4:19Speaker 1: Rome had a big one called Saturnalia German pagans. They
- 4:24Speaker 1: honored Odin, who was a god who flew over settlements
- 4:29Speaker 1: at night, blessing some houses and cursing others. Sounds like
- 4:33Speaker 1: coal and switches or treats to me. So that was
- 4:37Speaker 1: a pagan god. Yeah, yeah, Germanic um and then also
- 4:43Speaker 1: you have the Druids who like to contribute um things
- 4:48Speaker 1: like garland and holly to the whole mix. Kissing under
- 4:51Speaker 1: the mistletoe actually is apparently a um euphemism for some
- 4:57Speaker 1: of the sexual practices that went on to the Druidic
- 5:01Speaker 1: Winter Solstice festivals. People probably didn't think they were going
- 5:03Speaker 1: to hear those words in the Christmas podcast. Yeah it's
- 5:06Speaker 1: true though, Oh yeah, um, Christmas was rife with sexuality
- 5:09Speaker 1: and one could even say perversion and and just crazy
- 5:13Speaker 1: parties and in some cases, are you're talking about Rome? That? Yeah,
- 5:17Speaker 1: the Druids were big into it too, apparently the Celts right,
- 5:20Speaker 1: But in Rome they celebrated the pretty Rockets festival called
- 5:24Speaker 1: the Saturnalia from December seventeen. Is that now how you
- 5:29Speaker 1: pronounce it? Okay? I thought you're gonna correct me. And
- 5:32Speaker 1: that honors Saturn, the god of agriculture. And they had
- 5:36Speaker 1: a big carnival and they feasted and gambled and gave
- 5:39Speaker 1: gifts and corrals and got drunk wasted for days. This
- 5:44Speaker 1: is Rome, Yeah, one party like they did. They also
- 5:47Speaker 1: apparently love to stuff um Jews with food until they
- 5:51Speaker 1: were like so full that they could barely move and
- 5:54Speaker 1: then make them raise each other naked through the streets
- 5:56Speaker 1: for everyone else's enjoyment. So there's Christmas. Um, these are
- 6:01Speaker 1: the roots of it. And then, of course, um, you
- 6:03Speaker 1: have Christianity, which effectively took it over in the fourth
- 6:06Speaker 1: century a D. Yeah, they say, we need our own
- 6:09Speaker 1: holiday to rival all these winter solstice shenanigans, right the
- 6:13Speaker 1: fourth the fourth century a D. Really and we are
- 6:16Speaker 1: ce depending on who you are, Um, really kind of
- 6:19Speaker 1: change things. This is when Christianity stepped it up a bit.
- 6:22Speaker 1: That's been saying Augustine was supposedly issuing all these proclamations. Um. Basically,
- 6:27Speaker 1: the Church just made some moves and it it worked.
- 6:30Speaker 1: And they chose December, the day of the Feast of
- 6:33Speaker 1: the Nativity is what it was originally called. And since
- 6:36Speaker 1: they said, hey, pagans, you come over to our religion,
- 6:40Speaker 1: we've got something over here. Uh. It celebrates the birth
- 6:43Speaker 1: of our savior and all that. But you can still
- 6:45Speaker 1: throw down. We're just gonna this is gonna be the
- 6:48Speaker 1: last day. Much like um, fat to ash Wednesday, right
- 6:52Speaker 1: right right fat to Marty gral leads up to ash
- 6:54Speaker 1: Wednesday and the party stops on ash Wednesday, but they
- 6:56Speaker 1: go crazy ahead of time, very much the same thing.
- 6:59Speaker 1: And it can any like this for many many centuries. Yeah,
- 7:02Speaker 1: and and initially it wasn't um. It still wasn't the
- 7:05Speaker 1: big daddy, I mean, Eastern Good Friday still ruled in
- 7:08Speaker 1: the feast, and the Nativity was kind of the lesser
- 7:10Speaker 1: of the three. And um, the Puritans had some problems
- 7:15Speaker 1: with this though they did pretty much any group that
- 7:18Speaker 1: was very doer about um about religion. And we're Christians,
- 7:24Speaker 1: uh outlawed or banned Christmas festivities because yeah, he did
- 7:29Speaker 1: when he took Christmas in and the Puritans in New
- 7:33Speaker 1: England outlawed it. Uh what from sixteen fifty nine to
- 7:38Speaker 1: sixteen eighty one in Boston, no Christmas none And actually
- 7:42Speaker 1: Cromwell um had soldiers patrolling the streets to make sure
- 7:46Speaker 1: there was no revelry whatsoever. And we're told to arrest
- 7:50Speaker 1: anybody they found celebrating Christmas when he outlawed it, um.
- 7:54Speaker 1: And still today Jehovah's witnesses, Christians Christian sect um don't
- 7:59Speaker 1: sell lebrate Christmas because they clearly see it as or
- 8:03Speaker 1: they see it as a clearly pagan holiday. And that
- 8:06Speaker 1: all of these roots have have all these pagan roots
- 8:09Speaker 1: have come together and just got a Christian stamp of approval.
- 8:12Speaker 1: But it ain't. It's really just pagan, right. Yeah. So, uh,
- 8:16Speaker 1: let's move forward a little bit in our in our
- 8:18Speaker 1: time machine to the eighteenth and nineteenth century. This is
- 8:20Speaker 1: when things start to calm down a little bit and
- 8:22Speaker 1: it becomes a little bit more like the Christmas we
- 8:24Speaker 1: know and love, including eighteen forty six when Queen Victoria's
- 8:30Speaker 1: German husband Albert, Prince Albert, he introduced a Christmas tree
- 8:34Speaker 1: to the castle and they essentially got their picture made
- 8:38Speaker 1: in front of it. It was an engraving at the time.
- 8:41Speaker 1: Of course they had to stand there for four weeks. Yeah,
- 8:43Speaker 1: but it was their children in them in front of
- 8:45Speaker 1: the tree, and that's kind of may have been the
- 8:47Speaker 1: first Christmas card like we do today. That's nice. You
- 8:50Speaker 1: send Christmas cards. No, I don't even know. I'm such
- 8:53Speaker 1: a slacker. I've never sent Christmas cards. Yeah, so don't
- 8:57Speaker 1: be offended. Friends who listened. None of my friends listen
- 8:59Speaker 1: to this. But when I don't see Christmas cards, I
- 9:02Speaker 1: just don't do it. I haven't done it. I'll do
- 9:04Speaker 1: that one day. Um, okay, So Chuck, let's talk about
- 9:08Speaker 1: gift giving. Okay. In two thousand seven, Consumer Reports said
- 9:12Speaker 1: that they issued an article in November of two seven,
- 9:17Speaker 1: I said twelve million Americans were still paying off Christmas
- 9:20Speaker 1: from the year prior. Just a year later, twelve million
- 9:23Speaker 1: Americans were still making payments on their credit card gifts.
- 9:26Speaker 1: So in addition to hearing is that Santas slagh and
- 9:29Speaker 1: jingle bells, I hear Josh flying overhead? I think you're hallucinating,
- 9:33Speaker 1: am I. I don't hear anything. In addition to that,
- 9:35Speaker 1: do you know what I hear is the sound of
- 9:37Speaker 1: credit card machines being well, yeah that's old, but yeah,
- 9:42Speaker 1: the swipe of the credit cards over a number of things.
- 9:45Speaker 1: Thank you. That's what I hear. It is decidedly commercial
- 9:47Speaker 1: now and one of the reasons why people are still
- 9:49Speaker 1: paying it off is, um, we spend an ass load
- 9:52Speaker 1: of money on Christmas presents and decorations, eight billion dollars
- 9:56Speaker 1: on lights alone. Nuts. Listen to this dude in the
- 10:01Speaker 1: National Retail Federation, which likes to come out with their
- 10:04Speaker 1: annual forecast of how much Americans are going to spend
- 10:07Speaker 1: on holiday gifts and just anything that has to do
- 10:11Speaker 1: with the holidays. They forecasted a hundred and seventy three
- 10:13Speaker 1: billion in nineteen ninety eight. Wow, this is this is
- 10:18Speaker 1: the height of the dot com bubble and everybody was
- 10:21Speaker 1: rich back then. Everybody You weren't rich either, should uh?
- 10:27Speaker 1: Two thousand nine, this year, the National Retail Federation projects
- 10:31Speaker 1: that we will spend four hundred and thirty seven point
- 10:34Speaker 1: six billion dollars in a recession. That's not Yeah, I
- 10:39Speaker 1: don't drop that much on Christmas. We're gonna spend half
- 10:42Speaker 1: a trillion dollars on Christmas in a recession. That's a
- 10:46Speaker 1: bad year. I know. And you know what, I think.
- 10:49Speaker 1: They've said that during recessions even sometimes you go out
- 10:52Speaker 1: of your way to make Christmas special because you've pinched
- 10:54Speaker 1: all year long, So that might infinitely do it. You've
- 10:57Speaker 1: done what because you pinched your pennies all year long?
- 11:00Speaker 1: You pinched all year long? Yes, I didn't hear that. Okay,
- 11:04Speaker 1: But gift giving, Josh, what is this? Where did it
- 11:06Speaker 1: come from? Well, like I said, a lot of these
- 11:08Speaker 1: pagan rituals they gave gifts, but uh, the roots almost
- 11:12Speaker 1: all of them did, Strange, Lena, But the roots are
- 11:14Speaker 1: generally traced to Um the Bible and Jesus being born
- 11:19Speaker 1: and the Three Kings, the Magi that traveled to Bethlehem
- 11:23Speaker 1: with their three gifts of gold. Frankinsincein mur right and
- 11:26Speaker 1: actually um Eastern Orthodox Christians tend to celebrate Three Kings
- 11:31Speaker 1: Day in January six, which is the day they think
- 11:34Speaker 1: that the magi arrived with their gifts. Yeah, okay, because
- 11:37Speaker 1: it took them a while. Sure, yeah, yeah, everybody's writing
- 11:39Speaker 1: mules back then, answer forever. Things kind of progressed like
- 11:42Speaker 1: this for a while, and then in eighteen twenty, do
- 11:45Speaker 1: you know what first appeared? Josh stores began placing Christmas
- 11:49Speaker 1: themed ads and newspapers and magazines. Yeah, and for the
- 11:53Speaker 1: first time even before then, though, um Macy's stayed open
- 11:57Speaker 1: I think for the first time until midnight Christmas Eve
- 12:00Speaker 1: in eighteen sixty seven. That was after that. But yeah,
- 12:04Speaker 1: I thought you said, I'm sorry, that's losing my mind here,
- 12:08Speaker 1: But yeah, in eighteen sixty seven, they they stayed open
- 12:10Speaker 1: for those last minute Christmas shoppers. So by the by
- 12:14Speaker 1: eighteen sixty seven, it was already a frenzy. Should we
- 12:17Speaker 1: talk about Boxing Day real quick? Sure? Just cover that
- 12:20Speaker 1: for all the Brits out there, if you're in England, Australia,
- 12:24Speaker 1: Canada or New Zealand. Uh, Christmas does not end on No,
- 12:31Speaker 1: it continues on to the twenty six Boxing Day. So
- 12:35Speaker 1: what is that, Josh? Well, apparently it grew out of
- 12:37Speaker 1: a tradition where servants who had to work on Christmas
- 12:41Speaker 1: all day serving the rich families of New England or
- 12:46Speaker 1: New Zealand, Australia and Great Britain and Canada. Um, they
- 12:51Speaker 1: were given the next day off, the twenty six. They
- 12:53Speaker 1: have their own Christmas, their own servant version of Christmas.
- 12:57Speaker 1: And apparently that was taken over by the rich at
- 13:00Speaker 1: cats as well. Right, so there's a Boxing Day and Christmas,
- 13:03Speaker 1: I take it in those countries. That's the way I
- 13:06Speaker 1: understand it, Chuck, Josh, let's keep going on with this
- 13:10Speaker 1: origin stuff. This stuff is very interesting. Can can we
- 13:13Speaker 1: talk about St Nick for a second? Yeah? So you
- 13:16Speaker 1: know there really was a St. Nick? Right? I do know?
- 13:20Speaker 1: School me. Uh he was actually canonized in the I
- 13:24Speaker 1: think nineteenth century. But he was born in two seventy
- 13:28Speaker 1: CE in Turkey. Uh. He was a Mediterranean dude. Turkish
- 13:34Speaker 1: was he He was Turkish? And I think he died
- 13:37Speaker 1: in three forty, so he was old. Um. He was
- 13:43Speaker 1: worshiped by a group of sailors who formed a cult
- 13:46Speaker 1: around him, the St. Nicholas Cult or the Nicholas cult.
- 13:49Speaker 1: Before he was canonized, a group of sailors, a group
- 13:51Speaker 1: of sailors just idolized this guy, like literally, so these sailors, actually,
- 13:57Speaker 1: I guess, sailed to Turkey and said, we're gonna take
- 14:00Speaker 1: Nick's bones where they're being kept in a shrine in Turkey,
- 14:03Speaker 1: bring his bones out exactly, okay. Or they went in
- 14:06Speaker 1: and got them themselves, one of the two. Uh, and
- 14:09Speaker 1: then they take it back to They take the bones
- 14:11Speaker 1: back to Italy and place him in a shrine. But
- 14:15Speaker 1: when they do so, they displaced this pagan idol known
- 14:18Speaker 1: as the Grandmother capital T capital g. The Grandmother had
- 14:23Speaker 1: a reputation for placing um gifts in children's stockings. St. Nick,
- 14:31Speaker 1: who was who was a real person, was a Christian
- 14:34Speaker 1: martyr I believe takes over this lady's shrine and the
- 14:38Speaker 1: association with gifts and him giving gifts and even gifts
- 14:42Speaker 1: and stockings her. Her reputation goes to him. So it
- 14:46Speaker 1: originally started with a woman huh in ten seven. That's
- 14:50Speaker 1: when the sailors went, we're not done yet here. My
- 14:52Speaker 1: friend Santa Claus has a very long, in circuitous route.
- 14:55Speaker 1: But it's amazing how it all comes together. I'm roasting chestnuts,
- 14:58Speaker 1: by the way, while I'm listening to this. Because the
- 15:00Speaker 1: in the Nicholas Colt gave each other gifts, right um.
- 15:04Speaker 1: And since they gave, they were known for giving gifts.
- 15:06Speaker 1: They were one of the more popular cults around. So
- 15:09Speaker 1: when they spread north, people were like, hey, you're kind
- 15:11Speaker 1: of cool, let's hang out. And um they were converted.
- 15:14Speaker 1: They were a very powerful cult. And when they moved
- 15:17Speaker 1: into Germany or the Germanic areas. Uh, Odin remember you
- 15:20Speaker 1: mentioned him earlier, Long white Beard blew over houses, right. Uh.
- 15:26Speaker 1: Santa Claus as we know it today is the collision
- 15:28Speaker 1: of Odin and St. Nick and the Grandmother. Technically I
- 15:32Speaker 1: had something to do with Germany. I remember hearing that one.
- 15:35Speaker 1: So Santa Claus was um I think a Dutch word
- 15:38Speaker 1: for this conception. But it wasn't until eighteen o nine
- 15:42Speaker 1: that Washington Irving wrote a satire of Dutch culture and said, um.
- 15:48Speaker 1: He used the name Santa Claus, the Dutch name which
- 15:51Speaker 1: introduced the name to the English. A few decades after that,
- 15:54Speaker 1: guy named Thomas Nast, an illustrator, starts drawing his conception.
- 15:58Speaker 1: Santa Claus. Adds the the north pole, the elves, the workshop,
- 16:03Speaker 1: all that stuff, and then finally Santa Claus, who we
- 16:06Speaker 1: know and love today, the jolly fat man with the
- 16:09Speaker 1: red coat and the white trimming. All these things have
- 16:13Speaker 1: accumulated up to this point, and then our image are
- 16:16Speaker 1: iconic image of Santa Claus was thanks to an illustrator
- 16:21Speaker 1: who was contracted by the Coca Cola company in n
- 16:25Speaker 1: and seen, there's Santa Claus and that crazy. That is crazy.
- 16:29Speaker 1: What a cool history? I think, so too and slightly
- 16:32Speaker 1: disappointing a little bit. Where's the magic? There's no magic? No,
- 16:36Speaker 1: al right, Okay, so go ahead, Chuck. I've talked way
- 16:39Speaker 1: too much for now. I guess we should talk about
- 16:42Speaker 1: trees a little bit. Um evergreen trees and garlands. We're
- 16:47Speaker 1: used to decorate symbols of eternal life by everyone from
- 16:51Speaker 1: ancient Chinese to Hebrews and Egyptians and European Pagans even
- 16:57Speaker 1: worship these trees. Yeah, I remember we talked about the
- 17:00Speaker 1: ruids and u sexual proclivities right, So fast forward a
- 17:04Speaker 1: little bit. When Western Germans used fir trees to represent
- 17:07Speaker 1: the Tree of Paradise and plays about Adam and Eve.
- 17:11Speaker 1: They decorated these trees with apples and wafers and stuff,
- 17:14Speaker 1: and that got more and more popular until they were
- 17:18Speaker 1: introduced in North America in the seventeenth century, and then
- 17:22Speaker 1: people started decorating them with mistletoe and holly and stuff
- 17:25Speaker 1: like that, and like you said, they really took off
- 17:27Speaker 1: thanks to Prince Albert and that engraving. Yeah, and in
- 17:30Speaker 1: Christmas lights clearly, which were introduced in eighteen ninety or
- 17:34Speaker 1: in the eighteen nineties. And also, as I understand that
- 17:37Speaker 1: gingerbread men, Yeah, that is based on a Saturnalia tradition
- 17:42Speaker 1: from the ancient Romans where they would eat human shaped biscuits. Yeah,
- 17:48Speaker 1: I think about that's what a ginger modes. Yeah. I
- 17:50Speaker 1: love ginger cookies. Do you like those? Yeah? Are you
- 17:53Speaker 1: with us? Okay, I'm having trouble enunciating during this one.
- 17:56Speaker 1: I know it's strange, So Chuck, I think we've reached
- 17:59Speaker 1: the uh, the big finish, the finale it was Jesus
- 18:05Speaker 1: born on December is that we're gonna talk about and also,
- 18:08Speaker 1: do you want to pop into quick facts. Yeah, So
- 18:10Speaker 1: where's the word Christmas come from? Uh? It comes from Mars.
- 18:15Speaker 1: It comes from an old English word or term Christ's
- 18:18Speaker 1: mass right um or put together Christmas? And do you
- 18:23Speaker 1: know where xmus came from? No, X was the standard
- 18:28Speaker 1: abbreviation of capital X was the standard abbreviation to represent Christ.
- 18:32Speaker 1: So really it's not taking Christ out of Christmas when
- 18:34Speaker 1: you say x mess was an abbreviated version of christs.
- 18:38Speaker 1: Did not know that because a lot of people take
- 18:40Speaker 1: offense when you write xmus. People get really runtled up
- 18:43Speaker 1: about this stuff. They do. They just need to drink
- 18:45Speaker 1: a little egg nog, right, yeah, with rum, right delicious rum. So, Josh,
- 18:50Speaker 1: let's talk about December and was Jesus really born on December.
- 18:56Speaker 1: There is a one in three hundred and sixty five
- 18:59Speaker 1: or one and three hundred and sixty six chance, depending
- 19:03Speaker 1: on whether or not it was leap here, that he
- 19:05Speaker 1: was born on December twenty Yeah, because the Bible doesn't
- 19:08Speaker 1: say that Jesus was born on December twenty one. Thing
- 19:10Speaker 1: I learned from this wonderful article written by our colleague
- 19:13Speaker 1: Sarah Dowdy, who hosts Stuff You missed in history class
- 19:16Speaker 1: um is that the early Church didn't care much about
- 19:20Speaker 1: the Nativity about Jesus being born, that there was no celebration,
- 19:24Speaker 1: didn't pick up, like we said, until the fourth century
- 19:27Speaker 1: a d. Right, right, So yeah, there wasn't a lot
- 19:29Speaker 1: of effort made to really date his birth early on. Yeah. Uh.
- 19:34Speaker 1: There's some clues though that it was probably not on December. Uh.
- 19:38Speaker 1: In the chapter of Luke, they say that the shepherds
- 19:42Speaker 1: are keeping watch over their flock by night day in night. Well, no,
- 19:46Speaker 1: it just says they're flocked by night in the Bible. Whatever.
- 19:50Speaker 1: Don't challenge me on the Bible, buddy, I know my Bible.
- 19:53Speaker 1: But this suggests that it may have been actually in
- 19:55Speaker 1: the spring, during spring lambing, because that is the only
- 19:58Speaker 1: time of year where they you keep watch today and night.
- 20:01Speaker 1: Otherwise it's just during the day, so day and night
- 20:04Speaker 1: in that case, yes, okay, and you're waiting on that.
- 20:07Speaker 1: So this one Bible scholar, his first name was Dionysus,
- 20:10Speaker 1: I can't remember his last name. Uh, he calculated that, Um.
- 20:15Speaker 1: I think he was the one that calculated December twenty Yes, Josh, chronographers.
- 20:20Speaker 1: Here's another theory here that chronographers reckon that the world
- 20:24Speaker 1: was created on the spring equinox, and then four days later,
- 20:28Speaker 1: on March, light was created because the earth was created
- 20:33Speaker 1: then got created light according to the Bible in Genesis,
- 20:35Speaker 1: and since the existence of Jesus UH signaled the beginning
- 20:39Speaker 1: of a new era of Christianity or creation Uh, the
- 20:42Speaker 1: chronographers assumed that jesus conception would have fallen on March
- 20:46Speaker 1: twenty five, which nine months after that would be which
- 20:52Speaker 1: would be his birthday. Yeah, there's a modern Bible scholar
- 20:56Speaker 1: who has gone a little broader trying to hammer out
- 20:59Speaker 1: the extra a year and um by his reckoning, thanks
- 21:03Speaker 1: to Um the presence of Herod King Herod was still alive.
- 21:08Speaker 1: He dated it back and figured out that Jesus is
- 21:11Speaker 1: probably born in four BC. Four BC, so not too
- 21:16Speaker 1: far off as far as the year goes. Not bad.
- 21:19Speaker 1: And again we should remind people that this December twenty
- 21:22Speaker 1: thing was largely an attempt to steal um the winter
- 21:26Speaker 1: solstice from the Pagans to convert them over to Christianity,
- 21:30Speaker 1: So no one knows when Jesus was born. Yeah, and
- 21:32Speaker 1: you know we're not saying all this to Pooh Pooh
- 21:34Speaker 1: Christmas or the fact that Jesus may or may not
- 21:37Speaker 1: have been born on December twenty. None of that matters.
- 21:40Speaker 1: The origin doesn't matter. What matters is is that is
- 21:43Speaker 1: the day that we celebrate it. And uh, all over
- 21:46Speaker 1: the world, they're different traditions. Some people open their gifts
- 21:50Speaker 1: and Christmas Eve, some people do it Christmas Day. Some
- 21:52Speaker 1: people don't do Christmas at all. Some people don't celebrate
- 21:54Speaker 1: it at all. You know, there's other religions out there.
- 21:57Speaker 1: You heard about these, yeah, and and we're gonna cut
- 22:00Speaker 1: over these at some other point. But this one is
- 22:02Speaker 1: about Christmas. Yeah. Um. And if you think about it,
- 22:06Speaker 1: from the true origins of Christmas, all of these disparate
- 22:09Speaker 1: cultures being brought together and molded into this. Sure, you
- 22:13Speaker 1: know it was done surreptitiously and a little sneakily, but
- 22:18Speaker 1: it kind of reminds you, at the very least, it
- 22:20Speaker 1: explains how this whole season it's based around Christmas in
- 22:23Speaker 1: the United States. Um, kind of touches everybody. Sure, So
- 22:28Speaker 1: that's Christmas, Chuck, Do we have any listener mail today? Oh? Yeah?
- 22:32Speaker 1: If you want to know more about Christmas, you can
- 22:34Speaker 1: type the end the handy search bar at how Stuff
- 22:36Speaker 1: Works dot com uh, which then I guess leads us
- 22:39Speaker 1: to listener mayo. Indeed, Josh, we have a couple of
- 22:42Speaker 1: requests which we don't often honor here on the show.
- 22:46Speaker 1: We're gonna this year. We love turning down people's requests
- 22:48Speaker 1: because I feel bad for people that are born right
- 22:50Speaker 1: around Christmas. Do because that just thinks. So, Hey, Josh
- 22:54Speaker 1: Chuck and Jerry Chucker and Jerry, I have a sad
- 22:58Speaker 1: Christmas story followed by a huge favor. My story starts
- 23:00Speaker 1: almost twenty four years ago, the day after Christmas. That
- 23:06Speaker 1: was the day my husband Ian was born. The unfortunate
- 23:09Speaker 1: timing of his birth has caused a ton of bitterness
- 23:11Speaker 1: over the years. It's all the gloom that comes after
- 23:14Speaker 1: the presents are open. We are faced with the fact
- 23:16Speaker 1: that Christmas is gone for a whole year, and then
- 23:18Speaker 1: it's his birthday. What a let down? Uh. He absolutely
- 23:22Speaker 1: hates his birthday as a result, and often refers to
- 23:24Speaker 1: it as the most disappointing day of the year. It's awful. Uh.
- 23:28Speaker 1: He is constantly played by the yearly Christmas Birthday present,
- 23:32Speaker 1: of course, having his birthday gifts wrapped in Christmas paper.
- 23:36Speaker 1: Just last year, he received a birthday gift with a
- 23:39Speaker 1: candy cane tape to the front of it. That's awful. Uh.
- 23:42Speaker 1: And he has never even had a birthday party in
- 23:44Speaker 1: his whole life because no one ever wants to go
- 23:45Speaker 1: out the day after Christmas. He's a complete afterthought. So
- 23:50Speaker 1: here's my huge favor. Uh. He is a huge fan
- 23:52Speaker 1: of your you guys, and I mean huge. He watches
- 23:56Speaker 1: your live video cast every week. He must be the fan.
- 23:58Speaker 1: Then he watches the pobcast and listens to the podcast
- 24:02Speaker 1: every Tuesday and Thursday. And he also does his best
- 24:06Speaker 1: to spread the word of stuff you should know to everyone,
- 24:09Speaker 1: including me. So, by the way, now I'm Cloked's what
- 24:13Speaker 1: she said. So I'm hoping you could make this the
- 24:15Speaker 1: best birthday ever. From Ashley the birthday Fairy. Ashley, we're
- 24:19Speaker 1: gonna give your husband a huge happy birthday here, Happy birthday,
- 24:23Speaker 1: Happy birthday. And we're sorry you were born on the
- 24:27Speaker 1: be glad you were born at all. That's what I say.
- 24:30Speaker 1: But I'm sorry, dude, that stinks. And we're sending you
- 24:32Speaker 1: like a T shirt or something. And she wanted to
- 24:34Speaker 1: sign T shirt but with a candy cane tape to it. Yeah,
- 24:37Speaker 1: we should totally do s Ian. You've got something coming
- 24:40Speaker 1: your way, but it's not gonna be there by, But
- 24:42Speaker 1: a happy birthday anyway, Ian, Josh, we have another one. Okay,
- 24:45Speaker 1: this from Karen. I just wanted to ask for a
- 24:47Speaker 1: huge favor. My partner, Tristan is a big fan of
- 24:50Speaker 1: your show. In fact, thanks to you guys, he now
- 24:53Speaker 1: has opinions on a range of subjects and it drives
- 24:55Speaker 1: me crazy. He turns thirty on Christmas Eve, and that
- 24:58Speaker 1: is today, if I'm not mistaken, and I'm trying to
- 25:02Speaker 1: make it a little special by surprising him with thirty gifts,
- 25:05Speaker 1: and it would freak him out if he was listening
- 25:07Speaker 1: to your podcast and you wish him a happy birthday?
- 25:10Speaker 1: Could you help me out? That would be awesome. So, Tristan,
- 25:14Speaker 1: today actually is your birthday. Happy birthday, Happy birthday, Tristan.
- 25:18Speaker 1: Are you freaked out thirty gifts? Yeah? So hopefully you're
- 25:24Speaker 1: freaked out there in Australia, Tristan, Chris, Tristan, we're talking
- 25:29Speaker 1: about you right now, Tristan. Yeah. Uh. And Josh, beyond that,
- 25:34Speaker 1: do you want to say a few words here? I do. Actually,
- 25:36Speaker 1: I want to wish my darling five ft one and
- 25:39Speaker 1: a half inch half okanow and girlfriend you me happy
- 25:44Speaker 1: birthday too. Her birthday is December, so she's one of
- 25:48Speaker 1: those poor afflicted people born around Christmas time. Happy birthday, shortcake, Yeah,
- 25:54Speaker 1: happy birthday. You mean you call a shortcake? I call
- 25:57Speaker 1: a sugar little sweet. Yeah. So John here, we are
- 26:01Speaker 1: close to the end of the year, and we'll go
- 26:03Speaker 1: ahead and say our salutations here on Christmas Eve to
- 26:05Speaker 1: everyone raise a toast of eggnog. Stuff you should know, Army.
- 26:10Speaker 1: We're proud of you, guys. We're proud of each other. Jerry,
- 26:13Speaker 1: we had a great year. It's been awesome. Great response
- 26:17Speaker 1: has been a really big year. Yeah, it's just been awesome,
- 26:20Speaker 1: and we feel great about it. And we feel awesome
- 26:22Speaker 1: about the stuff. You should known. Army coming together and
- 26:25Speaker 1: being so involved and donating tens of thousands of dollars,
- 26:30Speaker 1: that's good stuff. As Josh says on the Keyva thing,
- 26:33Speaker 1: what the finest people that have never met. That's close.
- 26:38Speaker 1: That's what I feel like we are. Yeah. Well, thanks
- 26:40Speaker 1: to all of you out there in s Y s
- 26:42Speaker 1: k Land. We hope that your sugar plum dreams are
- 26:46Speaker 1: all fulfilled, that you're all tucked in tight in your
- 26:50Speaker 1: warm beds with somebody you love and who loves you.
- 26:53Speaker 1: And we'll see in after two more episodes, and we
- 26:59Speaker 1: will see to it that we keep you as informed
- 27:02Speaker 1: and entertained in as we did in two thousand nine.
- 27:05Speaker 1: We ain't going nowhere exactly. Um, Happy holidays? Is that
- 27:12Speaker 1: it is that we're going to end this? Is that heartfelt? Enough? Yep? Okay?
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