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BIG decisions loom large for the Panthers after key extensions made · C3 Panthers Podcast: Carolina Panthers

• 0:02
  [UNKNOWN]: The Panthers did Jalen Coker right.
• 0:05
  [UNKNOWN]: And he said, I'll make my diet right.
• 0:09
  [UNKNOWN]: And for rang at the same time, T-Mac is putting on pounds while Coker's getting shredded and Rashid Walker is ready for some competition.
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  [UNKNOWN]: Jalen Coker, big extension, and when I'm we say big extension not crazy, but life changing for him,
• 2:17
  [UNKNOWN]: Uh, important for the Carolina Panthers, T-Mac put bulking up, putting on a little weight.
• 2:23
  [UNKNOWN]: And maybe not even, maybe just his, like he said, my real weight, they've can Alice might have a type and it might be six, five, two, twenty, I think that might be his type.
• 2:36
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• 3:11
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• 3:13
  [UNKNOWN]: You already alluded to some of it, but we also have some insight from Joe Persian as you answer some of the summer questions that Panthers fans have been asking
• 3:23
  [UNKNOWN]: And Mike K. of the Charlottes Observer put out his 53 man roster projection.
• 3:30
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• 3:32
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• 3:36
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• 4:56
  [UNKNOWN]: So, man, just happy to be here with you fellas, trying to...
• 5:00
  [UNKNOWN]: figure out what the Panthers are thinking with some of these moves, some of these interviews, some of these players, what they're having their mind, how they think this Panthers team is going to perform.
• 5:12
  [UNKNOWN]: And even hearing Jalen Coker talking about
• 5:16
  [UNKNOWN]: How much he's looking forward to playing with Bryce again this year, you know, with NFL network on the insiders.
• 5:24
  [UNKNOWN]: He's he's getting some traction with the media and that's something that I think we all should be excited about.
• 5:29
  [UNKNOWN]: Especially given right now, we have a lot of potential on this wide receiver room and Jalen Coker getting paid just shows that this team agrees with that.
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  [UNKNOWN]: Show big decisions, loom large for the Panthers after key extensions that made.
• 6:13
  [UNKNOWN]: And really, thank you Carolina for doing a Jalen Coco right and given us something to talk
• 6:23
  [UNKNOWN]: Yes, sir.
• 6:24
  [UNKNOWN]: So you already know that the Carolina Panthers decided to show on drafted free agent Jalen Coker.
• 6:34
  [UNKNOWN]: Some of what we might call that I love you money.
• 6:39
  [UNKNOWN]: Jalen Coker's three-year contract extension.
• 6:43
  [UNKNOWN]: 3 years 35 million beige value 12.5 million full of guaranteed three more next March 1.2 million per game bonus incentive or per game bonuses 6 million of incentive slash escalators
• 6:59
  [UNKNOWN]: that capids across the next 4 years or 3.4 million, 5.1 million, 9.2 million, and 16.7 million dollars respectively.
• 7:14
  [UNKNOWN]: Listen, I love this for Jalen Coker.
• 7:17
  [UNKNOWN]: The man has literally dropped nothing.
• 7:21
  [UNKNOWN]: since he has been here in Carolina, I think him and Bridestone have an effortless connection and I do feel that Tony Sikkei we've said this before.
• 7:31
  [UNKNOWN]: He's the number two wide receiver in this offense.
• 7:34
  [UNKNOWN]: Now, health has been an injury, injuries have been a concern of his.
• 7:40
  [UNKNOWN]: But whenever he is healthy, he is a difference maker.
• 7:44
  [UNKNOWN]: And we saw this last year in the playoff game against the Los Angeles Rams.
• 7:48
  [UNKNOWN]: This guy is a big time player, and I love the fact that they signal that when you bust your ass and put in work and make a meaningful difference on the field,
• 8:02
  [UNKNOWN]: that Carolina Panthers will reward you for their services.
• 8:07
  [UNKNOWN]: So not only is this a good thing for jail and poker, for the Panthers' offense, but to only see a camp, I also feel like this sends a great message to the other players in that locker room that hard work pays off even for a unwrapped and free agent like jail and poker.
• 8:29
  [UNKNOWN]: But additionally, I think what I love about the structure of this contract is it allows him to have something to work towards.
• 8:37
  [UNKNOWN]: Right.
• 8:38
  [UNKNOWN]: He's only got 35 arms, sorry, 12 million guaranteed.
• 8:42
  [UNKNOWN]: What's still generation of wealth for him, you know, so let's not forget that for a moment.
• 8:48
  [UNKNOWN]: Right.
• 8:48
  [UNKNOWN]: But sure.
• 8:49
  [UNKNOWN]: It's what it is.
• 8:50
  [UNKNOWN]: It's guaranteeing like if he can perform.
• 8:54
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it might be 3 million this year.
• 8:56
  [UNKNOWN]: 5 million the year after, but the year after that is nine and the year after that at 16, what that tells me is that it's incentivized in jail and coker to perform at the level he has been, but get better every year and justify us not cutting you loose before that 2029 deadline to save some money.
• 9:16
  [UNKNOWN]: I think they structured it that's a team friendly way that it's incentive laden and it allows him to be able to have something that continues to, you know, allow him to thrive for something more.
• 9:27
  [UNKNOWN]: All right, help me.
• 9:30
  [UNKNOWN]: help me understand a little more you said go back to the or to the guaranteed money because I was under the impression that the guaranteed money was a little bit higher tell me what exactly because one thing that is important I guess to understand is that this was an extension I believe like you know so you have him under this year under contract under the
• 9:59
  [UNKNOWN]: the stupid right previous deal that it's called on I was going to come to me the restricted yeah the restrictive free agent where they then get him for a league minimum for like you could have you could have done him I won't say dirty but yeah
• 10:19
  [UNKNOWN]: And say, look, we're going to pay you one, it's like $1.1 million this year.
• 10:24
  [UNKNOWN]: And it's not even guaranteed they could cut them and not pay them, but still.
• 10:28
  [UNKNOWN]: But this is an add-on.
• 10:30
  [UNKNOWN]: So they have them for four years under this contract structure.
• 10:35
  [UNKNOWN]: CK said 13 million, I heard, I heard more 17 million guaranteed.
• 10:43
  [UNKNOWN]: This was very early when the news came out.
• 10:46
  [UNKNOWN]: So I am fully understanding that those early numbers tell me about the guaranteed money again.
• 10:56
  [UNKNOWN]: So this is according to spa track and you know this is a website that everybody goes to when looking up contracts on a look on what rappers would say.
• 11:06
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I go ahead and pull it up.
• 11:07
  [UNKNOWN]: Rap before didn't say anything about guaranteed money.
• 11:12
  [UNKNOWN]: Rap report just said 35 million with incentives up to 41 million.
• 11:17
  [UNKNOWN]: which would make sense because it says six million of incentives that escalated.
• 11:23
  [UNKNOWN]: So yeah, three here, 35 million dollar base value, 12.5 million in full guaranteed money, three million more next March,
• 11:34
  [UNKNOWN]: uh one point two million per game bonuses and six million of incentives so it's one of the things that when we go with guaranteed money is that there's the first round of guaranteed money which is like hey is if we cut you tomorrow this is fully guaranteed but you also have to usually count
• 12:00
  [UNKNOWN]: So this is over the caps discussion, Jalen Coker, signed three year, it's probably going to be the same thing, $34 million contract extension.
• 12:09
  [UNKNOWN]: This is 19.5 million is guaranteed.
• 12:14
  [UNKNOWN]: 18.5 million is the new money.
• 12:18
  [UNKNOWN]: 12.5 is fully guaranteed at signing.
• 12:21
  [UNKNOWN]: See, good.
• 12:22
  [UNKNOWN]: All right.
• 12:24
  [UNKNOWN]: So here's my question.
• 12:29
  [UNKNOWN]: Is this a three year extension?
• 12:33
  [UNKNOWN]: Can you do me a favor and tell me what 17 times three is here 17 times three I mean, I need to get your 30 for 51.
• 12:44
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, okay.
• 12:46
  [UNKNOWN]: I piece of getting $1.2 million per game as a bonus.
• 12:51
  [UNKNOWN]: How is this only able to be worth 41 million dollars?
• 12:56
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, all right.
• 12:56
  [UNKNOWN]: So here.
• 12:57
  [UNKNOWN]: I think this is what we do is this is look, and I'm going to try to zoom in here real quick on this.
• 13:04
  [UNKNOWN]: Maybe I can plus it to control plus no, it's not going to get bigger.
• 13:10
  [UNKNOWN]: Maybe this is bigger for the viewers.
• 13:14
  [UNKNOWN]: All right, so he's going to get this is the seven million dollars is this guaranteed right here if we look at pro writing Pro rated signing bonus.
• 13:27
  [UNKNOWN]: So they've extended that he's going to get two million dollars in salary.
• 13:32
  [UNKNOWN]: So he's going to get three million there this year.
• 13:36
  [UNKNOWN]: Hmm, so what this might be the most complicated contract I've ever seen is his signing bonus was seven million dollars his salary in twenty twenty nine here's the thing is it sounds in twenty twenty nine he's going to have a thirteen million dollar salary But they could not hear that we're actually six he is going to get this he's going to get a million this year
• 14:06
  [UNKNOWN]: Plus, the Pro-rated side at 2 million, plus per game roster bonus a million.
• 14:14
  [UNKNOWN]: Now, so I think that's what you were looking at.
• 14:16
  [UNKNOWN]: I don't know what I'm testing.
• 14:19
  [UNKNOWN]: I think it's 17 to it.
• 14:21
  [UNKNOWN]: So 1.0 to divide by 17.
• 14:24
  [UNKNOWN]: So, but that's still, if you think about that, that makes it, like that's in it's incentive for him.
• 14:31
  [UNKNOWN]: For the help, go out there and play heart.
• 14:34
  [UNKNOWN]: And it was, I mean, you could say that.
• 14:36
  [UNKNOWN]: Um, he's like, I'm good.
• 14:37
  [UNKNOWN]: I'm good.
• 14:38
  [UNKNOWN]: I'm good.
• 14:38
  [UNKNOWN]: Pump me up full of everything.
• 14:40
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, just saying everything with everyone.
• 14:43
  [UNKNOWN]: Everyone is and what about this is that would suck if the Panthers were like, we're in like, not wanting to play you and you're like, oh, man, I just lost, you know, what $85,000.
• 14:59
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and you got to keep in mind, cutting him after 2027, you would say potentially, you know, 5.7 million dollars on the cap and then fit that money at the rate.
• 15:09
  [UNKNOWN]: There's no shot that we aren't renegotiating or restructuring this contract.
• 15:14
  [UNKNOWN]: If he is or I think around that doesn't want to that's going to bring us to something that he's talked about is that just because he got a contract does not mean that he is done.
• 15:25
  [UNKNOWN]: that this is the end.
• 15:26
  [UNKNOWN]: Go ahead and bring back the show up.
• 15:27
  [UNKNOWN]: I'm sorry.
• 15:28
  [UNKNOWN]: I'm took it over.
• 15:31
  [UNKNOWN]: Look, this is one thing I think about this contract.
• 15:35
  [UNKNOWN]: I think is interesting or good.
• 15:40
  [UNKNOWN]: And if we look at this is Jaylin Coker, while he's made some big plays for the Carolina Panthers, has had very limited
• 15:51
  [UNKNOWN]: Not limited, but like his stats are this is he's had 872 receiving yards over two years.
• 16:01
  [UNKNOWN]: He's had five touchdowns.
• 16:02
  [UNKNOWN]: He had a monster.
• 16:05
  [UNKNOWN]: play off game against the ramps has not recorded a single drop his entire time here in Carolina.
• 16:15
  [UNKNOWN]: I mean, the dude is, you know, he has totally outperformed expectations and, you know, think about this.
• 16:21
  [UNKNOWN]: What are the chances that we got him on a bargain?
• 16:24
  [UNKNOWN]: Like what if he balls out this?
• 16:26
  [UNKNOWN]: Or what if him and T-Max
• 16:29
  [UNKNOWN]: I mean, again, we're really projecting so-and-o-to-year, but what if him and T-Mac are both thousand yard wide receivers?
• 16:37
  [UNKNOWN]: Like, what if he is the predominant number two wide receiver going forward in Carolina?
• 16:43
  [UNKNOWN]: This could end up being something of a steal.
• 16:47
  [UNKNOWN]: Oh, certainly, certainly.
• 16:48
  [UNKNOWN]: I think, um,
• 16:49
  [UNKNOWN]: It's a deal for the Panthers in a way.
• 16:52
  [UNKNOWN]: There's a little risk because, you know, he's an outsider.
• 16:57
  [UNKNOWN]: Not an outsider for fans.
• 16:58
  [UNKNOWN]: We love them, right?
• 17:00
  [UNKNOWN]: For fans, we've been like, oh, this guy makes plays.
• 17:02
  [UNKNOWN]: He shows up when other guys aren't showing up.
• 17:05
  [UNKNOWN]: He hasn't had a drop.
• 17:06
  [UNKNOWN]: He's made these big plays.
• 17:08
  [UNKNOWN]: But that's an insulated fan perspective.
• 17:11
  [UNKNOWN]: You know, from the outside is you're talking about,
• 17:15
  [UNKNOWN]: you're paying a guy some money that you didn't have to pay him for a limited amount of production.
• 17:24
  [UNKNOWN]: Right, five touchdowns, 872 yards, 65 receptions.
• 17:28
  [UNKNOWN]: So he's had basically average 32 and a half receptions a year.
• 17:33
  [UNKNOWN]: He's average 435 yards a year and two and a half touchdowns.
• 17:39
  [UNKNOWN]: To me, the Carolina Panthers though is that they had an opportunity
• 17:44
  [UNKNOWN]: in a bad way.
• 17:45
  [UNKNOWN]: I felt so bad.
• 17:46
  [UNKNOWN]: I was wrong record.
• 17:46
  [UNKNOWN]: I've been on the show.
• 17:47
  [UNKNOWN]: I've been on the radio talking about this.
• 17:50
  [UNKNOWN]: Is that this is fucked up this exclusive free agent tag thing that Coker couldn't go out into free agency and maybe get $10 million over two or three years.
• 18:04
  [UNKNOWN]: And the Panthers could have paid him $1.1 million.
• 18:06
  [UNKNOWN]: And that's it.
• 18:10
  [UNKNOWN]: That's it.
• 18:10
  [UNKNOWN]: They could have rocked this year and said, you know what, we're going to go with team act, which they were, they said, we're going to go with team act.
• 18:17
  [UNKNOWN]: We're going to go with Excel.
• 18:18
  [UNKNOWN]: We're going to go with Coker.
• 18:20
  [UNKNOWN]: We're going to draft Brazil and we're going to see how it works out.
• 18:24
  [UNKNOWN]: And they could have discounted this.
• 18:27
  [UNKNOWN]: And I think this was a little, this was a meet in the middle, this is, I think it says something about what they think about Jalen Coker number one, which I'm excited about.
• 18:38
  [UNKNOWN]: And number two, I think they did them right enough.
• 18:43
  [UNKNOWN]: I think this is a good, to me, if I'm Jalen Coker,
• 18:48
  [UNKNOWN]: I'm like able to breathe and you know what, we're going to talk a lot about it.
• 18:52
  [UNKNOWN]: Cody, I'm sure you got a lot we talked about that he's talking about this is not the end of it, but this is the beginning.
• 19:01
  [UNKNOWN]: But you know, if you're this player that is like trying to make it, trying to battle, trying to do this and worry about injury at every moment.
• 19:10
  [UNKNOWN]: This has to give you a little piece of mind.
• 19:12
  [UNKNOWN]: He can't call it life-changing, which it is.
• 19:14
  [UNKNOWN]: I mean, you get make $12 million.
• 19:16
  [UNKNOWN]: It's different than any one of us on this show where anybody is going to make.
• 19:20
  [UNKNOWN]: And I know that's not in comparison to other players and other components or Elon Musk's, my opinion, right?
• 19:28
  [UNKNOWN]: But this, I think, was, I think this was a good gesture by the front, not a good gesture, because that makes it sound like you didn't deserve it.
• 19:36
  [UNKNOWN]: I think this is,
• 19:38
  [UNKNOWN]: To me, this is all everybody wins in a way, but it also tells us that they believe that jail and coker is going to contribute this year.
• 19:48
  [UNKNOWN]: Absolutely, and, you know, shout out to those C3 connections.
• 19:53
  [UNKNOWN]: Last year, we got an opportunity to interview Jamal Kowker, Jason's father, and I still had that number of saved in my phone, so I sent them a congratulations to you guys that was on the day that had happened, and he responded back to me, and thanks for all the love.
• 20:09
  [UNKNOWN]: but this is incredible.
• 20:11
  [UNKNOWN]: I love what we did.
• 20:12
  [UNKNOWN]: I love the message that it sends.
• 20:14
  [UNKNOWN]: This is from pantos.com.
• 20:16
  [UNKNOWN]: For weeks now, Jalen Corker has tried to keep his excitement in the bay.
• 20:19
  [UNKNOWN]: Conversations with a rise about his role in the Carolina Pantos offense, his future with the team, and a possible extension on the horizon.
• 20:27
  [UNKNOWN]: The last topic since the end of the 2020 five season, when Corker stayed this claim as wide receiver, too.
• 20:34
  [UNKNOWN]: I mean, you literally have the pantos website,
• 20:37
  [UNKNOWN]: calling him wide receiver too, and it's absolutely that's fair that they do that.
• 20:41
  [UNKNOWN]: Very important.
• 20:42
  [UNKNOWN]: Yes.
• 20:43
  [UNKNOWN]: And not where they should be.
• 20:44
  [UNKNOWN]: It says, uh, it says, but throughout this conversation, it's not a draw question about a possible extension.
• 20:50
  [UNKNOWN]: Co-currant simply smile and push it off.
• 20:52
  [UNKNOWN]: Not wanting to get ahead of himself while talks wrong underway.
• 20:55
  [UNKNOWN]: It was definitely hard to hide excitement that was slowly starting to build and make it go around Friday, sitting in front of the contract, here just finished signing, then we'll keep him in Charlotte through at least 2021.
• 21:08
  [UNKNOWN]: But at the same time, I didn't want to make it too big where it was distracting me from the work that we were putting in these past weeks.
• 21:16
  [UNKNOWN]: Finally, on Thursday, the receiver in the Panthers came to an agreement, but through your extension,
• 21:23
  [UNKNOWN]: for player general manager Dan Morgan for a player general manager Dan Morgan has drafted or signed since the beginning of his tenure.
• 21:34
  [UNKNOWN]: I feel I did my best to put the team first and everything that I do.
• 21:38
  [UNKNOWN]: So I went into the very last second before I told my family and all that stuff that he really excited.
• 21:44
  [UNKNOWN]: So it was a process.
• 21:45
  [UNKNOWN]: But obviously,
• 21:47
  [UNKNOWN]: worth it.
• 21:48
  [UNKNOWN]: And Tony, you see, you see this mindset, even in reading that.
• 21:52
  [UNKNOWN]: He's thinking about work.
• 21:54
  [UNKNOWN]: He's thinking about putting the team first.
• 21:58
  [UNKNOWN]: This is the kind of work ethic that got him to the point of being able to sign this contract extension.
• 22:05
  [UNKNOWN]: Super happy for the young man, super happy for his family.
• 22:09
  [UNKNOWN]: Couldn't have happened to a better person.
• 22:11
  [UNKNOWN]: And if you're a fan of
• 22:14
  [UNKNOWN]: Man, you better go get through that.
• 22:16
  [UNKNOWN]: What?
• 22:17
  [UNKNOWN]: Coca jersey you're filming me.
• 22:19
  [UNKNOWN]: I mean, come on now.
• 22:20
  [UNKNOWN]: Oh, man, give us a somebody I saw on Twitter said, like if we could have a bunch of cokers, I was like, who wouldn't want to pile a cokers?
• 22:28
  [UNKNOWN]: Oh, yeah.
• 22:30
  [UNKNOWN]: The idea is here.
• 22:31
  [UNKNOWN]: I like that he's talking about for him is that this is, I'm sure there is a relief.
• 22:39
  [UNKNOWN]: We're not a relief of a sense of fulfillment, you know, monetary, a little security, but already talking about that he knows too that this contract, well, it's better for better than what he had.
• 22:57
  [UNKNOWN]: um, is an opportunity now that he gets two years with the Carolina Panthers to go out there and become a player that can then make a real contract, like a real significant contract.
• 23:12
  [UNKNOWN]: Some of us, Michael Weidrick in the chat says, I believe Excel is on the clock.
• 23:19
  [UNKNOWN]: Um, of either keeping his job as a store or losing it to rookie Chris Brazzle, uh, from me.
• 23:27
  [UNKNOWN]: I think this, I think that this is a signal, drafting Brazzle moving up for XL to get the fifth year option, drafting team act when the defense was in shambles.
• 23:45
  [UNKNOWN]: that Dan Morgan and Brant Tillis realize that free agency is not the place to go for wide receivers because it will destroy your cap number and I think the Carolina Panthers are sitting here going we can find a way to bargain it's not discount but not go after imagine
• 24:14
  [UNKNOWN]: or you went and did these these other things I think this is a way that the Carolina Panthers are trying to make the wide receiver position itself not to economically unsustainable.
• 24:28
  [UNKNOWN]: I saw a tweet from Sheena Quick that said, Coker on his dietary changes this off.
• 24:33
  [UNKNOWN]: She's do you remember that last year?
• 24:36
  [UNKNOWN]: uh... coming in offshore off of his rookie year where uh... coaker had a you know like he was kind of the fan favorite team made some big plays were the guys weren't you know excelled made some big drops he had limited opportunities he looked like he made the most he was the downfield threat and you're like why is this kind of downfield threat out of what holy cross or wherever he was like holy cross it's jalen coker and then he came into camp you remember people talking about kind of like heaven
• 25:06
  [UNKNOWN]: Um, a hefty body, not being, um, they were talking about his weight and some different things.
• 25:13
  [UNKNOWN]: I think even the coaching staff mentioned some stuff, but, uh, Jalen Coker is obviously aware of these things or maybe it's like, the scene of quick tweeted this, Coker on his dietary changes.
• 25:26
  [UNKNOWN]: This offseason.
• 25:26
  [UNKNOWN]: Lots of ground beef, rice, and salmon, not fun, but it has to happen.
• 25:32
  [UNKNOWN]: We're watching the young man grow up.
• 25:35
  [UNKNOWN]: And I'm saying that he was immature.
• 25:37
  [UNKNOWN]: That's not my point.
• 25:38
  [UNKNOWN]: Is that guess what you know what being in the dope sucked Okay, I don't know if you remember but when you were an eye See, okay, I don't know if you remember but when you were an eye interview Jalen Cofer to add to them all
• 25:52
  [UNKNOWN]: He talked about that.
• 25:53
  [UNKNOWN]: He said, you know, you know, he has a higher metabolism than his son does, and he can, whatever he wants, and they'll never gain weight.
• 26:02
  [UNKNOWN]: But that Jalen doesn't necessarily have that luxury.
• 26:05
  [UNKNOWN]: But that because of that, he's a bigger guy.
• 26:08
  [UNKNOWN]: He's just strong dude.
• 26:10
  [UNKNOWN]: And turning, I think that matters too.
• 26:12
  [UNKNOWN]: Like, that's why they don't mind putting him on the outside or putting him in the slot.
• 26:17
  [UNKNOWN]: You know, he has a bigger body that, you know, having to go across the middle.
• 26:22
  [UNKNOWN]: I mean, it's not early 2000's football anymore, but, you know, he can take a heavy tackle across the middle.
• 26:30
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
• 26:30
  [UNKNOWN]: He's doing well.
• 26:32
  [UNKNOWN]: He catches everything and I do think that size and strength ultimately does benefit his playstyle.
• 26:40
  [UNKNOWN]: as a man as a someone now a man, but when I was a boy, I was a, I was a shrimp.
• 26:49
  [UNKNOWN]: You know, I'm saying like, I, when I graduated high school, I was five foot nine, five foot 10.
• 26:55
  [UNKNOWN]: I still say I'm five foot 10.
• 26:57
  [UNKNOWN]: The, some lady at the doctor's office pushed me to the center of the earth.
• 27:02
  [UNKNOWN]: This was a man.
• 27:03
  [UNKNOWN]: I thought I was five, but this was a bad moment my life.
• 27:05
  [UNKNOWN]: I was like, I'm five ten.
• 27:06
  [UNKNOWN]: I've been five ten my whole last 10 years and I was 30 and this went to the doctor's office and this woman.
• 27:13
  [UNKNOWN]: little woman took that you know that little rod they put on your head when they measure your height and she makes sure you know that you're having it.
• 27:20
  [UNKNOWN]: He pushed so hard.
• 27:21
  [UNKNOWN]: I was like, why are you trying to push me to the center as you said you're five nine and three court?
• 27:25
  [UNKNOWN]: I was like, fuck, it's like really fucking my world existence.
• 27:29
  [UNKNOWN]: It really did.
• 27:30
  [UNKNOWN]: It was a big, but for someone who was, I mean, I was 140 pounds when I graduated high school.
• 27:36
  [UNKNOWN]: I was always like eating,
• 27:38
  [UNKNOWN]: come from Italian family where there's like you overeat, they feed feed feed.
• 27:43
  [UNKNOWN]: But like when you are just a skin and bones, you develop bad habits, right?
• 27:51
  [UNKNOWN]: And it's like you, because you're always you can eat whatever you want all the time.
• 27:55
  [UNKNOWN]: And on top of that, you're trying to put on weight.
• 27:58
  [UNKNOWN]: You're not trying to get skinnier.
• 28:01
  [UNKNOWN]: You know, whatever the age is, is it 30, is it this for me?
• 28:06
  [UNKNOWN]: It was about 30 and all of a sudden, it's like, boom, it's you can't eat the two pork chops.
• 28:11
  [UNKNOWN]: It does take discipline and you have to fight these habits and I'm not saying that's the case, but in this case, I like this is he got paid and he's doubling down on
• 28:22
  [UNKNOWN]: I want more.
• 28:24
  [UNKNOWN]: I really do think that by the time you know this contract is either up or we're looking to extend him we're going to look back on this as a bargain.
• 28:36
  [UNKNOWN]: So shout out to the man but let's talk about another guy who's trying to eat more.
• 28:41
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I know that guy was trying to eat more and
• 28:44
  [UNKNOWN]: You know, um, really kind of get back to a more form functional weight.
• 28:51
  [UNKNOWN]: Ted, I'm going to make a million.
• 28:55
  [UNKNOWN]: Seems to be doing a pretty good job of getting some pretty weight expectations, pretty weighted expectations.
• 29:01
  [UNKNOWN]: Just when I threw your old pass catcher spoke with the Porter's Falvin Wednesday series of mandatory minicamp, he was asked about his offices and transformation and claimed to put on 17 pounds of muscle from the last time we saw him on field.
• 29:16
  [UNKNOWN]: McMillan stated that he was at his lightest play in white ever as a rookie and hoped the additional mass would get him back to his college plan way.
• 29:26
  [UNKNOWN]: He resisted a 112 pounds while out at the University of Arizona and toward 19 pounds at the NFL scouting combat as the intercess NFL second NFL season McMillan believes the game slowed down for him even as his size goes up
• 29:44
  [UNKNOWN]: second year in the playbook.
• 29:46
  [UNKNOWN]: I'm not a rookie no more to wear new things come flying at me.
• 29:50
  [UNKNOWN]: So the games a lot slower.
• 29:52
  [UNKNOWN]: I got a year under my belt 18 games.
• 29:55
  [UNKNOWN]: I feel good now.
• 29:57
  [UNKNOWN]: And for the most part, the reaction to this Tony CK has been very positive, right?
• 30:02
  [UNKNOWN]: If you liked what he was able to do at Arizona, what the industry love this, that he's at this
• 30:13
  [UNKNOWN]: You know, wait isn't always a good thing when speed is such a primary component to play on wide receiver.
• 30:21
  [UNKNOWN]: Is there any trepidation that you might have at all to this being, you know, something that's potentially slow him down in his house and in his route progressions, or do you just think that this is him just getting back to his man body and being able to deal
• 30:40
  [UNKNOWN]: with those pressman corners, using his immense height and weight.
• 30:45
  [UNKNOWN]: Take a good.
• 30:48
  [UNKNOWN]: I don't think that I'm overly concerned about that.
• 30:51
  [UNKNOWN]: I think, uh, um, you know, one of the things that I don't think that he was going to be, he was touted for top and speed.
• 31:00
  [UNKNOWN]: Thank you.
• 31:00
  [UNKNOWN]: So, so extra weight doesn't really bother me there.
• 31:04
  [UNKNOWN]: If anything, I think it helps him with this routes because they're going to be playing pressman.
• 31:09
  [UNKNOWN]: And they're essentially trying to get him their focus in my opinion would be they're going to try to get him off his his route immediately Right on the line of scrimmage, and so I think his weight could certainly help there.
• 31:21
  [UNKNOWN]: I also think that one of the things that he might have struggled with and I maybe struggled as a strong word, but it wasn't like He wasn't
• 31:31
  [UNKNOWN]: D.J.
• 31:32
  [UNKNOWN]: Moore when it comes to yards after the first contact.
• 31:35
  [UNKNOWN]: Right.
• 31:36
  [UNKNOWN]: So I think that this could be another attempt at him trying to make sure that he is able to compete with some of these D.Ds in the league.
• 31:44
  [UNKNOWN]: I have this very little, you know, concerned about the extra weight at this point.
• 31:50
  [UNKNOWN]: I have no concern.
• 31:52
  [UNKNOWN]: I think this is the type of player.
• 32:02
  [UNKNOWN]: 220, I mean, not 220.
• 32:05
  [UNKNOWN]: I think, I mean, if you get over 225, you're starting to get, you could get with the Arctic in a sense.
• 32:12
  [UNKNOWN]: You want to be big and strong.
• 32:15
  [UNKNOWN]: He had a 44840.
• 32:19
  [UNKNOWN]: He said that at some stopwatches, he was at 454.
• 32:23
  [UNKNOWN]: He was not
• 32:27
  [UNKNOWN]: Ted is not a go ball guy, sure.
• 32:31
  [UNKNOWN]: And I don't mean that he can't get down field, but you did not draft him to be the Randy Moss, put the arm up, I beat you, and I'm down the field, and this is a 80-y order.
• 32:45
  [UNKNOWN]: I don't think there's a comparison to like a guy like Robbie Anderson.
• 32:53
  [UNKNOWN]: And Robbie Anderson actually could play strong at times, but Robbie Anderson was long-leaning and trying to beat you on the on the fly, and get behind you and just go, I think what you want to, to a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a,
• 33:17
  [UNKNOWN]: is that you want him to be a versatile possession receiver, a guy that can get you nine yards in a first down that can fight at a four yard and break a tackle and get some yards, and is fast enough to make a big play, but you did not draft him to just be a burner.
• 33:42
  [UNKNOWN]: He drafted him to be a big, strong, versatile, wide receiver.
• 33:47
  [UNKNOWN]: And I don't think anybody is going to say, Mike Evans, we needed him to trim some weight.
• 33:55
  [UNKNOWN]: I think that we want him to be a big body, bigger body.
• 34:00
  [UNKNOWN]: In fact, if anything, I thought he looked, lean, his rookie ear, he looked like a young man and not to say like me played really well.
• 34:10
  [UNKNOWN]: But your right CK is you're going to be battling, you're going to be battling in short yardage and gold line positions and things like this.
• 34:20
  [UNKNOWN]: I have no issue with this.
• 34:21
  [UNKNOWN]: You did not draft him for singular speed.
• 34:25
  [UNKNOWN]: So no, I think this is not only the right thing, but I also might
• 34:34
  [UNKNOWN]: to light kind of like how what combines statistics is he probably shed eight pounds.
• 34:42
  [UNKNOWN]: to try to get the read of the run faster, be a four or five.
• 34:47
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and we can see this is that that's not only what wins in the NFL.
• 34:54
  [UNKNOWN]: I think we want him to be a big strong tall guy who has speed and movement, but you're not like juke in and doing all of this.
• 35:02
  [UNKNOWN]: He's got to do everything.
• 35:04
  [UNKNOWN]: And that's receiver is not, he's not a go ball guy.
• 35:07
  [UNKNOWN]: And I'm not saying can't I know you're right, but I just don't think that's his bread and butter.
• 35:13
  [UNKNOWN]: I think his bread and butter is versatility part of the reason why you're drafted him is because he wins with size and strength and he does have incredible hands.
• 35:21
  [UNKNOWN]: He has a great catch radius and this is where he is at his best.
• 35:26
  [UNKNOWN]: And we've seen it time and time again, there have been so many NFL wide receivers.
• 35:32
  [UNKNOWN]: that were not your stereotypical burner.
• 35:35
  [UNKNOWN]: You know, I think famously, what was it, Jerry Rice, ran like a four or six something.
• 35:41
  [UNKNOWN]: Right.
• 35:41
  [UNKNOWN]: You know, so this over the top of speed is very overrated.
• 35:45
  [UNKNOWN]: I mean, that's right.
• 35:46
  [UNKNOWN]: Not that it doesn't, right.
• 35:48
  [UNKNOWN]: Not that it doesn't matter.
• 35:49
  [UNKNOWN]: But in the sense, the way in which you run your routes and the way in which you get in and out of your bricks is probably more important.
• 35:59
  [UNKNOWN]: then it is just being an absolute burner or else you know Jimmy Horn Jr. might already be a number one wide receiver, you know, I think that size and that strength is part of the reason what makes them so dangerous is because dude, unless you're one of this bigger corners that's able to man up to the Mac dude.
• 36:21
  [UNKNOWN]: He is a horse.
• 36:23
  [UNKNOWN]: You know, that's tough to deal with, especially if you are in press man coverage with the guy like T-Mac.
• 36:30
  [UNKNOWN]: It's hard to deal with that level of size and strength, and this ability to just not be knocked off of routes.
• 36:37
  [UNKNOWN]: And I have no reason to not trust him.
• 36:42
  [UNKNOWN]: 20 is not like you're heavy.
• 36:46
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and he's like right when he was an adult today, he thought she felt you know what I'm saying?
• 36:52
  [UNKNOWN]: He's that fat.
• 36:54
  [UNKNOWN]: He looks like he does carry it well, and that's the benefit of being
• 36:58
  [UNKNOWN]: six foot five.
• 36:59
  [UNKNOWN]: You know, he has a lot of frame to read up the pack that on.
• 37:03
  [UNKNOWN]: I have no reason to think that there's anything other than doing what's the best for his body to hold up to this, you know, NFL corners trying to press him.
• 37:15
  [UNKNOWN]: I will not have any concerns until we get to the two thirties.
• 37:21
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, you know, is that yeah, I mean, and I won't even have necessarily concerns them, but like that's not what his body type is probably going to be meant for.
• 37:31
  [UNKNOWN]: But 220, like is 210 for him is then 220 is right on target.
• 37:40
  [UNKNOWN]: I would say.
• 37:44
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I mean, I didn't get any any heavier shore.
• 37:47
  [UNKNOWN]: I think you do risk.
• 37:50
  [UNKNOWN]: maybe being a little bit sluggish and you should be sluggish as a good way to put it, you might even introduce injuries that you wouldn't normally have due to this extra weight that you're putting on.
• 38:04
  [UNKNOWN]: So I mean, I'm not, I agree.
• 38:06
  [UNKNOWN]: I think right now that's kind of the perfect, uh, perfect spot.
• 38:09
  [UNKNOWN]: And what would be really way last year, guys, 2015?
• 38:14
  [UNKNOWN]: They said that it was $2.12.
• 38:16
  [UNKNOWN]: I mean, we're talking, you could go and take a big crap and eat a couple of salads and he could be at $2.15.
• 38:26
  [UNKNOWN]: You said you were at $2.05 last year.
• 38:28
  [UNKNOWN]: Oh, well, okay, they say that's too lean.
• 38:31
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that's what we want him to be.
• 38:32
  [UNKNOWN]: We want him to be a we don't want him to only be a one.
• 38:50
  [UNKNOWN]: trick, which that wasn't his trick.
• 38:53
  [UNKNOWN]: Even last year, his trick was not just running like a downfield route and trying to catch a deep ball.
• 39:00
  [UNKNOWN]: It was taking an eight-ord catch and turning it into a 17-year gain.
• 39:06
  [UNKNOWN]: And that's what he's going to be able to do and not just be arm tackled or anything like that.
• 39:12
  [UNKNOWN]: No worries and no concerns there for me at all.
• 39:16
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, by the way, shout out to Secret Service, Wilmington.
• 39:20
  [UNKNOWN]: Says, yeah, I do have concerns with Ted's extra weight.
• 39:22
  [UNKNOWN]: If he's going to be a number one, he's going to have a speed component, and then he mentions Calvin Benjamin.
• 39:28
  [UNKNOWN]: Let me tell you, he's a long way off from Calvin.
• 39:30
  [UNKNOWN]: Not even close.
• 39:31
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, not even close.
• 39:32
  [UNKNOWN]: Not even close.
• 39:34
  [UNKNOWN]: There's nothing.
• 39:35
  [UNKNOWN]: His work ethic puts Calvin Benjamin to shame.
• 39:39
  [UNKNOWN]: What I'm saying is in the sense of Kelvin Benjamin his frame was for bigger you know I'm saying it's like kind of saying like XL XL is I mean if XL is 2208 you're not like oh my god What I'm saying is this
• 39:55
  [UNKNOWN]: We're always going to call a space-spaded here in C3.
• 39:59
  [UNKNOWN]: If there's ever a moment during this season where we feel that T-Mac is playing slow and slow-ish, we will absolutely revisit this and talk about if it's something relevant or not.
• 40:09
  [UNKNOWN]: But until then, there's no reason for us to think that this is anything other than a good thing.
• 40:15
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and I don't think it changes his speed is like when you get to a weight that is too much, right, like for your body physique, whatever that is and it's different for different people like a XL or Benjamin, you know what I'm saying is I think is about endurance.
• 40:36
  [UNKNOWN]: is that for me is like when I weigh five pounds heavier than I should and I'm five pounds or I'm right or I'm like my endurance is better.
• 40:45
  [UNKNOWN]: So when it starts to affect your ability to play fast play after play, that's when I would be like, wait a second, you know, we should be thinking things different.
• 40:56
  [UNKNOWN]: No concern here at all.
• 40:57
  [UNKNOWN]: In fact, I actually think it's going to be for his benefit.
• 41:04
  [UNKNOWN]: Let's see.
• 41:06
  [UNKNOWN]: We've talked about Jalen Coker.
• 41:08
  [UNKNOWN]: We talked about Tep Millen who we got now.
• 41:11
  [UNKNOWN]: Next up, we are talking about Rashid Walker.
• 41:16
  [UNKNOWN]: This is somebody who we were very excited to sign in the off season.
• 41:23
  [UNKNOWN]: And on ESPN, somebody has told someone that ESPN that Rashid Walker was a discount.
• 41:37
  [UNKNOWN]: This is also entered for agency with the top building of left tackle, which usually pays annually.
• 41:43
  [UNKNOWN]: In March of 2025, Dan Moore Jr received a forward year, 82 million contract from Tennessee, but the league seemed to push back on inflated tackle contracts this for the agency cycle.
• 41:57
  [UNKNOWN]: That perception coupled with Walker's late-season struggles and January arrested, New York
• 42:04
  [UNKNOWN]: on a gun charge like the crash walker soaps of a big payday.
• 42:08
  [UNKNOWN]: I don't even know if I'm new about that.
• 42:10
  [UNKNOWN]: I said this gun charge thing was it was not even a real.
• 42:15
  [UNKNOWN]: It's like one of these.
• 42:16
  [UNKNOWN]: I want to say a loophole thing, but it is.
• 42:20
  [UNKNOWN]: like in his check bag is so it was a nothing but no nothing I don't think it had anything I had nothing to do with his economic viability.
• 42:30
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, Carolina capitalized on a suppressed market by signing market to a 1 year 4 million contract that carries in the additional 6 million incentives a deal that shot the minute around the league nobody was paying
• 42:46
  [UNKNOWN]: But no way I thought it would be that low and NFC executive said capable tackles usually get way more than that That's a great deal for Carolina.
• 42:56
  [UNKNOWN]: I'm thinking many teams would have done that deal and you know it also kind of illuminates
• 43:02
  [UNKNOWN]: are willingness to sign Monroe Freely.
• 43:05
  [UNKNOWN]: I wonder, you know, if we had signed Rashid Walker for more money and a bigger contract, when we have even entertained a left tackle at the 19th overall pick.
• 43:17
  [UNKNOWN]: And I do think that is,
• 43:20
  [UNKNOWN]: You know, a good part of the discussion to be had, and this article that talks about Monroe Freelyn does mention that Rashid Walker is expected to get a first scene reps when training camp begins in July.
• 43:37
  [UNKNOWN]: That doesn't mean that Freelyn hasn't impressed.
• 43:42
  [UNKNOWN]: And Coach Dave can now let's set up Freeling and then we'll use this to talk about the difference between the two.
• 43:48
  [UNKNOWN]: I've seen them learn how fast the things move up fun and what it's like to try to block direct brown on the backside of a run and how right that first step has to be.
• 43:59
  [UNKNOWN]: I've seen them be really comfortable in space and pass pro because of how big an athletic he is.
• 44:07
  [UNKNOWN]: Hold the point in the run game.
• 44:09
  [UNKNOWN]: when we run at him.
• 44:11
  [UNKNOWN]: So in addition to that, Monroe Freelyton, Tony has also gotten some reps at right tackle.
• 44:19
  [UNKNOWN]: So from the looks of this, it does seem to me like they are moving in a direction to get Monroe Freelyton on the field, even if that doesn't mean him starting at the left tackle position.
• 44:33
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I don't think they're in a rush.
• 44:35
  [UNKNOWN]: And I think this is the best way to handle great players is to not put them in positions to fail and or that they have to meet some crazy expectations.
• 44:47
  [UNKNOWN]: Rashid Walker is a very competent tackle.
• 44:53
  [UNKNOWN]: And for the, if we go back to the acclaim
• 45:03
  [UNKNOWN]: is no one was looking at him going um he is a shut down tackle for a decade but that he had progressed enough to where the draft pick was not work wasted and that you could work with this work with this if you looked at Rashid Walker and Aquinas
• 45:27
  [UNKNOWN]: kind of comparisons and comps, PFF wise, they were pretty similar.
• 45:33
  [UNKNOWN]: Rashid Walker was a guy in Green Bay that people, that he was always going to lose his job, but he always kept it.
• 45:42
  [UNKNOWN]: He is not out of this world a great tackle, but he is competent and good, and he's a guy that's played to standards and exceeded his standards, and I tell you this, if you go back and you look at the things that we talked about on this podcast through free agency.
• 46:04
  [UNKNOWN]: is to me, I got, look, his Panther fans by nature or any fan base is going to be remarkably excited when you add players.
• 46:13
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, Jalen Phillips, you add Dev and Walker, he's like, oh, you got this, this to me, it was this last minute moment of Rashid Walker with the injury to
• 46:30
  [UNKNOWN]: for the Panthers should not have been eligible for this guy, they didn't prioritize him in the beginning and they shouldn't have been a free agent signing for the Panthers and then you look at the numbers.
• 46:42
  [UNKNOWN]: Now we can talk about why other teams didn't do this, why other teams didn't do that.
• 46:47
  [UNKNOWN]: but he made this free agency solid and then you go into the draft and you can draft a guy he do believe has the skill set to be like a decade long left tackle that can change it but you don't need him to be that from day one Rashid Walker I believe starts this season I believe they should start him I believe he will be a good player and be fighting
• 47:14
  [UNKNOWN]: to get a deal somewhere, somehow, maybe with the Panthers in some capacity.
• 47:19
  [UNKNOWN]: I don't know how that's going to work.
• 47:23
  [UNKNOWN]: But I don't think this was the cherry on the top to the free agency component because then it lets you go into the draft.
• 47:33
  [UNKNOWN]: And then you go in draft this tackle.
• 47:35
  [UNKNOWN]: I think that says a lot about
• 47:38
  [UNKNOWN]: long term here.
• 47:40
  [UNKNOWN]: And look, is to me, I come back when I hear this story, I go back to what CK talked about.
• 47:47
  [UNKNOWN]: And I won't say I disagree.
• 47:49
  [UNKNOWN]: I'm not disagreeing with the CK about what you said in the past week or the week.
• 47:53
  [UNKNOWN]: Whenever we're talking about a Kim Aquano, how it's featured with the Panthers and you were like, somebody's going to give him a chance.
• 48:01
  [UNKNOWN]: Somebody's going to do this.
• 48:04
  [UNKNOWN]: It's bananas to be that Walker fell into our lap and that another team didn't give him more money.
• 48:12
  [UNKNOWN]: Maybe not a lot of money.
• 48:14
  [UNKNOWN]: Maybe but a one year $14 million deal or something like this.
• 48:18
  [UNKNOWN]: The Panthers got this guy on pennies on the dollar and it gives him a gives us a good player and you have confidence going in this season and it gives you so much latitude
• 48:30
  [UNKNOWN]: of how you could approach the handling of something that is a very cherished possession of your first round pick of Monroe Freeland.
• 48:39
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I mean, I think one of the things that when he got signed was that he had been attempted to be replaced multiple times in his tenure in Green Bay, right?
• 48:51
  [UNKNOWN]: And the fact that he has won those battles more often, I mean, pretty much every time he's been put up
• 48:58
  [UNKNOWN]: is is impressive to me, and I think it tells us that this guy has the potential to actually win that starting role.
• 49:06
  [UNKNOWN]: That I don't think that's a direct indication that Monroe Freeline is a bad player or a bad pick, but I know that that will inherently create
• 49:15
  [UNKNOWN]: some anxiety for Panthers fans, thinking that that pick is then a waste of pick because we're going with a guy that isn't necessarily touted at the level that Freeling was.
• 49:26
  [UNKNOWN]: You know, as far as being a first round draft pick, but I, again, it's a one-year deal and I think allowing Freeling to learn behind a guy like that.
• 49:35
  [UNKNOWN]: I don't think it's a negative ultimately.
• 49:38
  [UNKNOWN]: So I mean, I think, again, I think having him on the team is incredibly valuable and I think it could put
• 49:45
  [UNKNOWN]: This this this offensive line and probably one of the most stable environments that it's been in in probably a few years.
• 49:53
  [UNKNOWN]: It means that we really do have some depth CK, and there's even reports that a Kim and Kwonu might be able to come back on some point this season.
• 50:01
  [UNKNOWN]: So between Rashid Mokker, Monroe, freely, and maybe I can come and back.
• 50:07
  [UNKNOWN]: All of a sudden, that's not bad.
• 50:09
  [UNKNOWN]: Left tackle depth there, at that position seeing as help, is the most coveted position on an NFL offensive line.
• 50:18
  [UNKNOWN]: I'm to cover this a little bit more.
• 50:20
  [UNKNOWN]: We want to shout out Joe person.
• 50:22
  [UNKNOWN]: He did an analysis for the athletic talking summer summer questions how rookie versus veteran battle at left tackle is shaping up.
• 50:36
  [UNKNOWN]: Uh, this is again from Joe Parsons says based on how can now this drive up spring snaps divided up spring snaps it appears veteran machine blocker will enter camp getting the first team raps is Bryson's blind side protector Walker who started 48 or 51 games this past three seasons in Green Bay spent over today's and many camp working head of Monroe Freely
• 51:00
  [UNKNOWN]: Many analysts don't feel it would need time to develop after starting on the 17 games in Georgia.
• 51:06
  [UNKNOWN]: By signing a walker to a one-year deal in March, the Panthers don't have to rush feeling into the lineup at Reftacle.
• 51:13
  [UNKNOWN]: A position that became a priority when they came in according to
• 51:21
  [UNKNOWN]: Canalist has seen steady growth from the six foot 7,350 by the way, he's also both up.
• 51:28
  [UNKNOWN]: So now 325 pound, Freelyling, who was the 19th pick in the 2006 NFL Draft.
• 51:36
  [UNKNOWN]: can now let's go on to say, I've seen them learn how fast things are moving up front.
• 51:41
  [UNKNOWN]: Um, I remember this earlier, whether it's like to block Derek Brown, hold the point of attack.
• 51:46
  [UNKNOWN]: Meanwhile, the six, six, two hundred and three hundred and twenty four-pound walker said, he expected to start when he signed a private deal in March.
• 51:56
  [UNKNOWN]: I wanted to be on the field and I bought you said, that was the man talented in coming here.
• 52:01
  [UNKNOWN]: on the front end and it's going to be my mentality when we hit back.
• 52:07
  [UNKNOWN]: Boys, I'm just being honest, I don't remember another time where I felt more safe at the left tackle position.
• 52:16
  [UNKNOWN]: Now, we don't know what thrilling will be at that position yet.
• 52:20
  [UNKNOWN]: But based on everything that we saw from his time in Georgia, how big how athletic he is, and how dominant Rashid Walker has been.
• 52:30
  [UNKNOWN]: as the top of that tackle prospect in free agency, did bring everything this comfortable at the left tackle position.
• 52:39
  [UNKNOWN]: You know, I've always had my trepidations about that Kibba corner, being able to man that position, and last year and even some to some extent that year before, if he looked okay.
• 52:51
  [UNKNOWN]: But now I just feel so much better about that blind side though when we have a dynamic young rookie looking to take that spot and a veteran who's only on a one year deal and does give the Panthers enough leeway to see what they do have in Monroe freely.
• 53:11
  [UNKNOWN]: I don't know if I've ever felt more comfortable at that left tackle position than I do right now.
• 53:16
  [UNKNOWN]: This is why you have that feeling is because in the past, regardless of if you thought that a corner was progressing and getting is going to be the guy or whatever.
• 53:32
  [UNKNOWN]: And I'm not saying or whatever in a mean way.
• 53:36
  [UNKNOWN]: It was all in this or bust.
• 53:42
  [UNKNOWN]: this or bust.
• 53:43
  [UNKNOWN]: I mean, if you think, I mean, I can go back before, you know, before the pounding of the build that wall for Cam Newton that we had on this show for years.
• 53:55
  [UNKNOWN]: Um, going in.
• 53:58
  [UNKNOWN]: Dave Getterman for all the great things he did, he had some big curve fuffles and that is I can remember the Byron Bell can play left tackle because he's left handed and I'm a South Paul.
• 54:15
  [UNKNOWN]: So don't worry, I have no problem with celebrating being left handed and the 13
• 54:27
  [UNKNOWN]: But it was this is and this is what I've talked about on this show and and some of the past on this and recently um about the excitement on these teams that you look at the starting roster and you go, we might have something here.
• 54:45
  [UNKNOWN]: But if that starting roster does not hold, then it's a house of
• 54:55
  [UNKNOWN]: that that feeling Cody is because it's not Rashid Walker or bust.
• 55:03
  [UNKNOWN]: It's not and take away if you didn't have Rashid Walker and he drafted Monroe Freeland and you're very excited about him injury struggles at rookie whatever and all of a sudden it took the whole team, the whole season is falling apart because of that.
• 55:19
  [UNKNOWN]: The reason you feel good about this at left tackle is not because you have just insane confidence in Rashid Walker being great or that Monroe Freeland is going to be great out the gate from day one and be mistaken for you is that if one thing goes wrong, it doesn't make the entire position at left tackle a bus.
• 55:42
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
• 55:43
  [UNKNOWN]: No, absolutely.
• 55:44
  [UNKNOWN]: No, absolutely.
• 55:45
  [UNKNOWN]: Like I said, I feel great about, um, I think we're in a good position.
• 55:50
  [UNKNOWN]: Um, Tony, do you want to take some calls?
• 55:53
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, let's do it.
• 55:54
  [UNKNOWN]: Um, guys, you can be a part of the C3 Panthers podcast.
• 55:59
  [UNKNOWN]: Um, we do this every week, by the way, at 9 p.m. throughout the season in the regular season, the call list is going to be long and the post game is going to be longer right now.
• 56:12
  [UNKNOWN]: You have an opportunity to get in and let us know what your thoughts, your year or thoughts about the Carolina Panthers are if you want to talk about the hurricanes, hell, John B. Jenkins is going to call in and talk about football, the fish.
• 56:26
  [UNKNOWN]: Probably, I wonder if he's gonna talk about food ball.
• 56:31
  [UNKNOWN]: No, I don't think he's going to talk about that.
• 56:33
  [UNKNOWN]: Or maybe more companies are going on.
• 56:35
  [UNKNOWN]: But you got some people that are always going to be there.
• 56:38
  [UNKNOWN]: Thank you for your time, your attention, your energy.
• 56:42
  [UNKNOWN]: So you're time to be a part of the conversation numbers.
• 56:44
  [UNKNOWN]: Two, five, two, two, two, eight, 50, 98.
• 56:46
  [UNKNOWN]: Let's hit those cat calls.
• 56:48
  [UNKNOWN]: Got it.
• 56:48
  [UNKNOWN]: So what do you thought it's on cat calling?
• 56:49
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that's pretty sh***.
• 56:50
  [UNKNOWN]: You shouldn't do that to somebody.
• 56:51
  [UNKNOWN]: And how do that make you feel?
• 56:53
  [UNKNOWN]: Very uncomfortable.
• 56:54
  [UNKNOWN]: How do you think cat calling makes the person feel?
• 56:57
  [UNKNOWN]: It feels good, like,
• 57:16
  [UNKNOWN]: what he lacked the C3 region is to hope them were checking the air real quick.
• 57:22
  [UNKNOWN]: Hey, got quite a bit to get into the day.
• 57:25
  [UNKNOWN]: First and foremost, man, let's go change, baby.
• 57:29
  [UNKNOWN]: It's a great job to coach Rob Brenda Moore.
• 57:31
  [UNKNOWN]: Man, what a legend.
• 57:33
  [UNKNOWN]: What a legend.
• 57:34
  [UNKNOWN]: Man, full circle.
• 57:35
  [UNKNOWN]: 20 years later.
• 57:37
  [UNKNOWN]: Man, I just wanted to shout out to the Carolina Hurricane
• 57:45
  [UNKNOWN]: I might not be able to get this all in one call, but I'm a try.
• 57:49
  [UNKNOWN]: But I wanted to give a shout out to my man, Cody Lackman.
• 57:53
  [UNKNOWN]: Cody, I heard you hold it down, man, on the belief in Panthers' podcast with Desmond Zons, and I really enjoyed it.
• 58:01
  [UNKNOWN]: And I heard Cody, of course, last week when he was talking about Excel, and Dave Canalis given Excel praise.
• 58:09
  [UNKNOWN]: But here me out, I could be a conspiracy theorist,
• 58:15
  [UNKNOWN]: Could it be that they are pumping up Excel this all season to try to make him more attractive trait they think about it based all sex sales performance he would never he could never be traded so what I'm saying is I think they might be trying to make him look more attractive by saying that he's the best looking wide receiver in the camp and everything I heard you talk
• 58:44
  [UNKNOWN]: to get better trade value.
• 58:46
  [UNKNOWN]: Give me all thoughts on that, man.
• 58:48
  [UNKNOWN]: That's my fake on it.
• 58:50
  [UNKNOWN]: I might be a conspiracy terrorist, but yeah, I'm going to go right back.
• 58:54
  [UNKNOWN]: I've got a second call.
• 58:55
  [UNKNOWN]: I'm going to call right back.
• 58:56
  [UNKNOWN]: Just to hope, Dylan.
• 58:57
  [UNKNOWN]: All right.
• 58:58
  [UNKNOWN]: Thank you, Hope Dealer, for calling in and being part of the show.
• 59:02
  [UNKNOWN]: I would say that that theory or that idea would have more legs in a different capacity
• 59:21
  [UNKNOWN]: You know, I guess, is that since we're sports fans, we're fans, we're not journalists, we never claim to be journalists right by any means, is that if you were a journalist and you bumped into them and you talked about those things, I don't know if their capacity off the record, you know what I'm saying is it was conversational.
• 59:42
  [UNKNOWN]: Right.
• 59:43
  [UNKNOWN]: It was not in press conferences.
• 59:47
  [UNKNOWN]: It was not in an interview capacity.
• 59:49
  [UNKNOWN]: And Dave can Alice had, you know, Cody said we have a podcast.
• 59:53
  [UNKNOWN]: So he's not going to let out anything.
• 59:56
  [UNKNOWN]: I think this is that.
• 59:59
  [UNKNOWN]: If you saw them talking about that and those capacities with outlets like ESPN or the Joe Person with the athletic or this and it's like you felt that then I could understand what you're saying the sentiment is is like oh, you know, are you trying to boost his confidence right?
• 1:00:17
  [UNKNOWN]: I think it but I think that first it would be less about trade.
• 1:00:23
  [UNKNOWN]: inflation and more about somehow that you felt like Excel was delicate and you needed to make his psyche make it like we're behind him behind him.
• 1:00:33
  [UNKNOWN]: But I think when it comes to his interaction with Cody in the where they were at the bananas game, a friend, like a fan, a friend.
• 1:00:43
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, he knows he's got a podcast.
• 1:00:45
  [UNKNOWN]: But Cody didn't ask about Excel.
• 1:00:47
  [UNKNOWN]: They brought it up.
• 1:00:48
  [UNKNOWN]: I felt like the
• 1:00:52
  [UNKNOWN]: doesn't feel like it wins towards that.
• 1:00:56
  [UNKNOWN]: The other thing is, I saw that the Atlanta Falcons traded a wide receiver to the chiefs for the chiefs got a wide receiver and the seventh and the Falcons got a six round pick and I thought, man, the new cycle is fucking slow.
• 1:01:16
  [UNKNOWN]: because none of that fucking matters.
• 1:01:18
  [UNKNOWN]: That guy's not gonna make the team.
• 1:01:20
  [UNKNOWN]: I don't think that whatever you could say or do about Excel.
• 1:01:26
  [UNKNOWN]: a lot there's no trade there's nothing that would be who the Panthers to trade him to somewhere else and I don't think the team's would would are really even in the just because he was drafted high or whatever is like no I mean we got to just find what's his name the the Cowboys coat owner Jerry Jones like just like his like his is he's got dementia and you can get mango
• 1:01:56
  [UNKNOWN]: a third or a said whatever the fuck that that was the most yeah yeah yeah yeah that was insane but I wasn't but one thank you to all of the other for the kind words uh yeah once again I did join a doesman on the believe in Panthers podcast or check that out that was really fun but Tony I'll repeat what I said then to me it felt very genuinely
• 1:02:19
  [UNKNOWN]: Because if you remember the context of when we started talking about Xavier's again, he blew him up on prompting.
• 1:02:26
  [UNKNOWN]: You weren't asking about him.
• 1:02:28
  [UNKNOWN]: But I was not making a point to ask about Excel.
• 1:02:31
  [UNKNOWN]: He made it a point.
• 1:02:32
  [UNKNOWN]: You were asking about Bryce.
• 1:02:35
  [UNKNOWN]: And his words specifically were,
• 1:02:38
  [UNKNOWN]: that through this point in over today's example again has been the best wide receiver in practice at over today's that including Chris Brasal that included Coker and Horn
• 1:02:54
  [UNKNOWN]: So, you know, this is something that I feel they're really genuine when they do talk about what they feel like he's going to be in this offense.
• 1:03:03
  [UNKNOWN]: And remember, you know, they don't want to egg on their face of having this entire organization moving up to the first round.
• 1:03:10
  [UNKNOWN]: So, then we'll first watch the server that they drafted after Bryson Y'all.
• 1:03:16
  [UNKNOWN]: and is Xavier LaGat, you know, they're going to give Xavier every opportunity to prove himself and to Xavier LaGat's credit in his interviews and kind of knows that his ass is on the line right now.
• 1:03:31
  [UNKNOWN]: He knows that this is a big time dear for him to prove it and put up a shut up, especially seeing as how an undrafted free agent from that same draft class got paid money before he did.
• 1:03:46
  [UNKNOWN]: So, I don't think that there's any intent right now to trade, Xavier, look at it.
• 1:03:53
  [UNKNOWN]: And you know, another year, you could do it next year.
• 1:03:56
  [UNKNOWN]: Right.
• 1:03:57
  [UNKNOWN]: So, it could happen in that time.
• 1:03:59
  [UNKNOWN]: Maybe they want to move on from him before the trip.
• 1:04:01
  [UNKNOWN]: This is for three.
• 1:04:03
  [UNKNOWN]: But that all depends on what he does this season.
• 1:04:06
  [UNKNOWN]: And if he starts out slow,
• 1:04:09
  [UNKNOWN]: that's the only way that it would happen, but then you wouldn't even have any trade values.
• 1:04:13
  [UNKNOWN]: So just being honest, I do not see the Panthers looking to move on from Excel.
• 1:04:21
  [UNKNOWN]: And if they're lying, they're doing a very good job of it.
• 1:04:24
  [UNKNOWN]: CK there is we talk about stock the stock market or stocks and you can have the sunk cost family right where it's like well I put this money in but you don't lose on the stock until you sell it
• 1:04:41
  [UNKNOWN]: Right.
• 1:04:41
  [UNKNOWN]: I mean, technically is like, yeah, it's not worth what you've paid for, but I can sit around.
• 1:04:48
  [UNKNOWN]: I had this stock APA, which is it's Appalachian, it's a, and when I say stock, it's like $300.
• 1:04:56
  [UNKNOWN]: Right, but it's a oil stock and it's a North American oil company and this was I bought it back of like eight years ago when natural gas was going crazy and they were saying natural gas is going to be the fracking in the future and all of this and this oil has been down for years in years, in years, right?
• 1:05:21
  [UNKNOWN]: Like I mean, it's like
• 1:05:23
  [UNKNOWN]: It finally came back at, because of the Irene, the Iran shit, you know, and we've more domestic production, I could have sold it, though, at a complete loss.
• 1:05:37
  [UNKNOWN]: It does the sunk cost fallacy here.
• 1:05:40
  [UNKNOWN]: I don't think it works entirely with Xavier LaGette or something like this is like, I would rather just lose all my money than for you to give me a dollar.
• 1:05:52
  [UNKNOWN]: for something.
• 1:05:52
  [UNKNOWN]: You know, I mean, if you give me a six round pick, when I looked at that Atlanta Falcons trade, I thought, man, there's no news to talk about because none of this, this guy's probably not going to be on the team.
• 1:06:03
  [UNKNOWN]: The two picks that were traded don't matter is like to me, the Panthers trading exo, it would just be better for them to take a loss in the end.
• 1:06:21
  [UNKNOWN]: No, he's the first round pick.
• 1:06:22
  [UNKNOWN]: So there's so much of his contract that's actually guaranteed.
• 1:06:26
  [UNKNOWN]: Am I right?
• 1:06:27
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, but if they cut him now or they trade him, they don't get any of that.
• 1:06:31
  [UNKNOWN]: They got to pay all of that.
• 1:06:32
  [UNKNOWN]: They get four years with the first round pick.
• 1:06:35
  [UNKNOWN]: You get four years, boom.
• 1:06:37
  [UNKNOWN]: You get him under contract.
• 1:06:39
  [UNKNOWN]: It's basically guaranteed, I think, throughout, right?
• 1:06:43
  [UNKNOWN]: The first four years,
• 1:06:44
  [UNKNOWN]: And then the benefit of being a first-round pick for a team is that they could, if you're doing really well, give you the fifth round option.
• 1:06:52
  [UNKNOWN]: It's year three for Xavier LaGat.
• 1:06:55
  [UNKNOWN]: You said two years, they have one more year to decide.
• 1:06:59
  [UNKNOWN]: They're not going to go into this year and give them the fifth round contract.
• 1:07:02
  [UNKNOWN]: If they trade him for peanuts, it's a wasted traffic.
• 1:07:09
  [UNKNOWN]: You know, I mean, they don't have to, I mean, but if he turns out to be kind of good this year, they could maybe
• 1:07:17
  [UNKNOWN]: that they probably won't even give them the fifth year option.
• 1:07:20
  [UNKNOWN]: They probably say this play it out and then we'll give you a J. Lincoln Coker deal or something in that effect.
• 1:07:26
  [UNKNOWN]: I don't think at any point, at this point, for the Panthers, it would be in there benefit to trade for nothing.
• 1:07:34
  [UNKNOWN]: A future nothing for a guy that you could just say, hey, the worst case scenario is this is we're going to another player is going to just play more reps than you.
• 1:07:48
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, uh, hey, quick, before we move forward, shout out to Tim Estellings, we love your man.
• 1:07:54
  [UNKNOWN]: You've been a big time fan of this podcast for a while.
• 1:07:57
  [UNKNOWN]: I know, he doesn't really work.
• 1:07:58
  [UNKNOWN]: That's his main call.
• 1:08:00
  [UNKNOWN]: Tim is the man.
• 1:08:02
  [UNKNOWN]: Nothing but good vibes and love to Tim.
• 1:08:04
  [UNKNOWN]: You got this brother, we're all believing that you keep pounding.
• 1:08:08
  [UNKNOWN]: One day, one moment at a time, even a setback, every step, one step forward each time, even if you step back, you keep moving forward, my man.
• 1:08:20
  [UNKNOWN]: All right.
• 1:08:21
  [UNKNOWN]: Okay.
• 1:08:22
  [UNKNOWN]: Who we got next?
• 1:08:23
  [UNKNOWN]: Oh, no.
• 1:08:24
  [UNKNOWN]: Let's take another call.
• 1:08:25
  [UNKNOWN]: We got, um, I think the hope deal.
• 1:08:27
  [UNKNOWN]: Let me see.
• 1:08:29
  [UNKNOWN]: I'll look update to the voice.
• 1:08:32
  [UNKNOWN]: Looks good.
• 1:08:33
  [UNKNOWN]: Who, uh, what do they call that CK with the interface?
• 1:08:37
  [UNKNOWN]: You buy.
• 1:08:38
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
• 1:08:38
  [UNKNOWN]: Looking good.
• 1:08:39
  [UNKNOWN]: Well, different.
• 1:08:40
  [UNKNOWN]: Let's go.
• 1:08:42
  [UNKNOWN]: Oh, Dylan, second call real quick.
• 1:08:45
  [UNKNOWN]: A, but man, congratulations to B1, the only Mr. Jaylant poker.
• 1:08:52
  [UNKNOWN]: Three years, 35 million dollar extension, baby.
• 1:08:56
  [UNKNOWN]: I love it.
• 1:08:57
  [UNKNOWN]: Think about his deal versus what a Green Bay gay Christian watching.
• 1:09:02
  [UNKNOWN]: I'm just saying, look, I think it's so smart of our organization to get ahead of it.
• 1:09:08
  [UNKNOWN]: Y'all, especially knowing that they may have to pay bright soon.
• 1:09:12
  [UNKNOWN]: poker is so underrated, especially when he's healthy, I just think about that, man, with, you know, in comparison to Christian Watson, another legit wide receiver number two.
• 1:09:23
  [UNKNOWN]: But in my opinion, y'all, I think poker is a better receiver than what's from one healthy.
• 1:09:28
  [UNKNOWN]: I think that this was a ball smooth by Dan Morgan.
• 1:09:32
  [UNKNOWN]: Plus, boy, this is a fan cut call.
• 1:09:34
  [UNKNOWN]: Severs for years now, you know, with two Mac, this only been a second year,
• 1:09:41
  [UNKNOWN]: And honestly, I don't care what you're all saying.
• 1:09:43
  [UNKNOWN]: So I quote it like, I don't think Excel is going to get that fifth year option, man.
• 1:09:48
  [UNKNOWN]: But just think about this, if Jimmy Horner or John met you or Bryson Tramane, get, you know, with C-Mac Coker and Brasal, man, that's a cheap, wide receiver room that's pretty decent quality.
• 1:10:02
  [UNKNOWN]: I mean, we got a number one in C-Mac and a number two in Coker locked up for sure.
• 1:10:07
  [UNKNOWN]: You know, all we need is that number three.
• 1:10:09
  [UNKNOWN]: But hey, one last question, man, what people be hating on David Moore so much, man, I like David Moore.
• 1:10:15
  [UNKNOWN]: Do this trustworthy man, you know, you need a veteran in that room with all these young guys.
• 1:10:21
  [UNKNOWN]: But hey, anyway, man, give me all thoughts on that.
• 1:10:23
  [UNKNOWN]: Just the hope that, let's love y'all, keep pounding.
• 1:10:29
  [UNKNOWN]: I might have dismissed this too quickly and hope dealer I apologize for that.
• 1:10:38
  [UNKNOWN]: You think about I guess this tells you how much Christian like a draft where you're drafted dictates who you are and how the league perceives you.
• 1:10:58
  [UNKNOWN]: he has played but he has played more years he's played from 2022 right so we played out his basically his rookie deal.
• 1:11:08
  [UNKNOWN]: I was expecting the numbers to be way bigger than they were for the
• 1:11:21
  [UNKNOWN]: four years ninety two million dollars twenty three million.
• 1:11:25
  [UNKNOWN]: This is where I'm celebrating the Carolina Panthers I'm telling you they don't like to rock and the free agency when it comes to these win or receivers.
• 1:11:33
  [UNKNOWN]: The coker deal on top of it is not just a three year deal you get this year and it's an addition of it's an extension of this year.
• 1:11:44
  [UNKNOWN]: So you basically have them for four
• 1:11:47
  [UNKNOWN]: When you think of Christian Watson, right?
• 1:11:50
  [UNKNOWN]: And you hear those numbers, what would you expect him to be doing per year?
• 1:11:56
  [UNKNOWN]: Like, I mean, I don't know.
• 1:11:57
  [UNKNOWN]: Like, I mean, just say receptions.
• 1:12:01
  [UNKNOWN]: How many receptions per year yards?
• 1:12:04
  [UNKNOWN]: What would you guess it was in the ballpark of anybody?
• 1:12:12
  [UNKNOWN]: 92 million dollars over four years he's getting 10 million this year 11 million 24 29 I mean it's a it's a significant deal um let's see total max value within incentives guarantee you got 31 guaranteed um what would you all right how about this how many catches do you think
• 1:12:42
  [UNKNOWN]: Like if I gave you the over under if I said that he had 38 catches per year would you say over under 92 million dollar deal over.
• 1:12:58
  [UNKNOWN]: Okay.
• 1:12:59
  [UNKNOWN]: See.
• 1:12:59
  [UNKNOWN]: Okay.
• 1:13:01
  [UNKNOWN]: 38 catches.
• 1:13:06
  [UNKNOWN]: I mean, it's got to be over, right?
• 1:13:08
  [UNKNOWN]: You would think, right?
• 1:13:09
  [UNKNOWN]: He has only had over 38 receptions in one season.
• 1:13:15
  [UNKNOWN]: And it was his rookie season.
• 1:13:17
  [UNKNOWN]: He had 41 catches.
• 1:13:18
  [UNKNOWN]: Now, look, he is, the here's the deal is he hasn't played full season.
• 1:13:23
  [UNKNOWN]: He's only had one season.
• 1:13:27
  [UNKNOWN]: He's played 10 last year.
• 1:13:29
  [UNKNOWN]: He had only played nine.
• 1:13:32
  [UNKNOWN]: Okay.
• 1:13:34
  [UNKNOWN]: If I said I was going to sign you to a that deal, would you say over or under 680 yards per year?
• 1:13:43
  [UNKNOWN]: Would you say over or under?
• 1:14:03
  [UNKNOWN]: Does he average over 680 yards receiving per year?
• 1:14:10
  [UNKNOWN]: You're going to sign him to a $90 million deal.
• 1:14:15
  [UNKNOWN]: Would you, if we, if we signed Xavier LaGette next year to a $90 million deal, would you expect him to be a 700 plus receiver or not?
• 1:14:28
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, it's looking better.
• 1:14:30
  [UNKNOWN]: Okay, right?
• 1:14:31
  [UNKNOWN]: So, would you think that Christian Watson averaged over 680 yards a season?
• 1:14:37
  [UNKNOWN]: Over under.
• 1:14:43
  [UNKNOWN]: And I'm trying to make these numbers look so you guys have some maybe and choose under maybe and choose over I think the answer is over right here I think so all right here is this is this is Christian Watson stats
• 1:15:00
  [UNKNOWN]: 2020 to his rookie season, he had 41 receptions, 611 yards, 7 touchdowns.
• 1:15:08
  [UNKNOWN]: He had two rushing touchdowns, so we had nine that year.
• 1:15:12
  [UNKNOWN]: 2023, he had 28 receptions in nine games, 422 yards, 5 touchdowns, 20 29, 620 yards, 21, he had two touchdowns.
• 1:15:28
  [UNKNOWN]: Last year, he only played 10 games.
• 1:15:31
  [UNKNOWN]: He had 35 receptions, 611 yards.
• 1:15:34
  [UNKNOWN]: Now he did, I mean, like 35 receptions, the average in 17 and a half, he had six touchdowns.
• 1:15:43
  [UNKNOWN]: This guy has never crested 650 yards in his career in a season.
• 1:15:50
  [UNKNOWN]: That's, I feel like Steve Smith wants to go punch every fucking receiver sign in a contract in the face, right?
• 1:15:56
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that's insane.
• 1:15:58
  [UNKNOWN]: That's a, that's a, that's a, that's not even like contract in my opinion or yes, and on top of that is I would think I was trying to think of like I mean, if I had a receiver that got 700 yards, I would think he was good, but not great.
• 1:16:21
  [UNKNOWN]: You know, I mean, if Jalen cover rose out there next year and as 700 yards, I'm like he had a good season, but I'm not like this mug is fucking take it over the world.
• 1:16:33
  [UNKNOWN]: I'm sorry.
• 1:16:34
  [UNKNOWN]: I don't know if those maybe those numbers are not right.
• 1:16:37
  [UNKNOWN]: I mean, I did Gemini those numbers, but I just said, give me a stat.
• 1:16:43
  [UNKNOWN]: I mean, if those aren't correct, that's honestly kind of wild.
• 1:16:49
  [UNKNOWN]: So it doesn't have to do with do with do you think that had something to do with the running back that killed his girlfriend or not killed his girlfriend, but John is at Josh Jacobs.
• 1:17:04
  [UNKNOWN]: Like in there, like we have to have some sort of offense.
• 1:17:08
  [UNKNOWN]: So yeah, no, no, no, no, he didn't even kill him by our
• 1:17:14
  [UNKNOWN]: that he's not playing he's not going to be ready for whatever whatever you're Greg Hardy that I don't have to remember as it's probably a better example than a great party but
• 1:17:28
  [UNKNOWN]: I don't know, man, I mean, I get the overall point that you're trying to make, though, that like 620 yards is your wanting a level of production that warrants a kind of contract like that and you know, I think
• 1:17:47
  [UNKNOWN]: Right now, it's looking like Jalen Koker is a steel and Xavier to this point is looking like he has at least a decent long way to go before he even gets to numbers that would ever come close to justify him.
• 1:18:04
  [UNKNOWN]: a car track.
• 1:18:04
  [UNKNOWN]: Well, a good news for Xavier look get is you can sell him right now is Christian Watson only had six hundred eleven yards last year and got a 92 million dollar contract broke go out there and fucking eat up eight hundred fifty yards and you know is what somebody will pay you.
• 1:18:22
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
• 1:18:24
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, man.
• 1:18:24
  [UNKNOWN]: I was we need it.
• 1:18:25
  [UNKNOWN]: We need it.
• 1:18:26
  [UNKNOWN]: We're on the opposite.
• 1:18:27
  [UNKNOWN]: That makes you feel like robbery Anderson was underpaid.
• 1:18:32
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, really.
• 1:18:32
  [UNKNOWN]: Okay.
• 1:18:33
  [UNKNOWN]: All right, so I'm going on a tangent, but that's insane, dude.
• 1:18:39
  [UNKNOWN]: No, it is really expected.
• 1:18:41
  [UNKNOWN]: He didn't have a sentence.
• 1:18:42
  [UNKNOWN]: He said double Christian Watson.
• 1:18:44
  [UNKNOWN]: Isn't that, that's who got the big deal, right?
• 1:18:47
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
• 1:18:48
  [UNKNOWN]: Christian Watson.
• 1:18:50
  [UNKNOWN]: 100 initially reported this is what it says is initially reported as 110.5 million dollar deal actually structured and five with the league is much more team friendly.
• 1:19:00
  [UNKNOWN]: Packers use the highly structured incentive approach to protect themselves against his past injury history base value four years 92 million average and those numbers are real
• 1:19:18
  [UNKNOWN]: The most touchdowns ever had in the season was touchdowns.
• 1:19:22
  [UNKNOWN]: That was legit.
• 1:19:23
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that was a point too.
• 1:19:28
  [UNKNOWN]: That was this rookie here, right?
• 1:19:30
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, right.
• 1:19:32
  [UNKNOWN]: And then the next year we had five, the next year after that, two, and then six, and 2020, five.
• 1:19:39
  [UNKNOWN]: That's a wild car track, man.
• 1:19:42
  [UNKNOWN]: That's what I'm telling you.
• 1:19:43
  [UNKNOWN]: That's why I'm telling you the Panthers are, well, we're on, or I think I'm on to something.
• 1:19:49
  [UNKNOWN]: is that the Panthers, the reason they drafted tech are like, remember, do you remember how nuts that we went?
• 1:19:58
  [UNKNOWN]: Not we, but people went over because our defense was in shambles and you had the
• 1:20:04
  [UNKNOWN]: the guy that went to Atlanta, there was all this is like, how can you not address the defense, how can you not address the defense and he went, got a wide receiver here and some people, some people were like, oh, he's not even that great.
• 1:20:17
  [UNKNOWN]: He's not even that great, but then you give a a meager extension to Jalen Coker, I think the Panthers are smart in this and truly just
• 1:20:35
  [UNKNOWN]: contractually outside is like hell.
• 1:20:38
  [UNKNOWN]: Let's just try to keep this in-house as much as we can, because you go out there and you can pay a proven receiver, but he's going to be like $23 million for a year.
• 1:20:50
  [UNKNOWN]: So, I mean, this guy got a ton of money, and he's never had over 620 yards.
• 1:20:57
  [UNKNOWN]: I'm telling you, Steve Smith is ready to beat some motherfuckers up.
• 1:21:05
  [UNKNOWN]: Hey, guys, John B. Jenkins calling in with another alternative football update for you guys for the week.
• 1:21:12
  [UNKNOWN]: I want to start off with the USL.
• 1:21:13
  [UNKNOWN]: They have their championship game this past weekend and it was an exciting one.
• 1:21:18
  [UNKNOWN]: Actually, I really enjoyed the coverage of it.
• 1:21:21
  [UNKNOWN]: All the little segments that they did.
• 1:21:23
  [UNKNOWN]: It's held in Washington, DC at Audi field home of the DC defenders and the DC defenders.
• 1:21:32
  [UNKNOWN]: Actually we're in the game.
• 1:21:34
  [UNKNOWN]: They hosted the game and then the Louisville Kings came out of nowhere I think they started the season off only three if I'm correct and Anyway, maybe it's the championship game and Tony this one is for you buddy Steve Logan Oh, that's right.
• 1:21:51
  [UNKNOWN]: Steve Logan is a champion He was the offensive coordinator for the Louisville Kings this year and then I don't know if you've watched from the UFL games where they do
• 1:22:01
  [UNKNOWN]: really good job of showing the coordinators, you know, how they're communicating with the quarterback and things like that.
• 1:22:07
  [UNKNOWN]: So congratulations, Steve Logan and the Louisville Kings for when the UFL championship.
• 1:22:13
  [UNKNOWN]: Couple of UFL to NFL transactions have already occurred.
• 1:22:17
  [UNKNOWN]: There's about six players, I think, that have made the jump from the UFL to the NFL teams like Chicago, Dallas, Pittsburgh, Denver, Philadelphia, Miami.
• 1:22:27
  [UNKNOWN]: Hot King Butler of the St. Louis Battle Hawks, coach vice by Ricky Pro, I think that signed by Dinger.
• 1:22:35
  [UNKNOWN]: So we'll see if he can stick.
• 1:22:36
  [UNKNOWN]: I think he had a couple, I think he had a couple coffee with the Panthers years ago, but he's a pretty exciting, wide receiver, but speaking of promising alternative football prospects, let's move on over to the AFLE, the American Football League Europe.
• 1:22:55
  [UNKNOWN]: And none other than our very own Panthers rush law plan in the 16th, the 16th league quarterback Jason Wong.
• 1:22:59
  [UNKNOWN]: Uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh uh, uh uh, uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh uh
• 1:23:20
  [UNKNOWN]: behind bin homes of the you know Vikings but he's got a star wide receiver that you need to pay attention to star wide receiver Michael Harley Jr. from the you uh he is really parent up this league uh reminiscence of none other than former panther's rock law player to Dante Turkin so keep an eye out on that guy Michael Harley Jr. he may
• 1:23:47
  [UNKNOWN]: uh... at least over to the state maybe i'll make it to the cfl uh... and other news out those arcs workers are one and two unfortunately do you know what a longer is uh... the cfl regular season has started uh... you can watch that on cfl plus it's free to sign up for and great games i enjoyed that game uh... the Canadian game but uh... anyway i speak in the canada let's talk about hockey
• 1:24:12
  [UNKNOWN]: Oh, here we go.
• 1:24:14
  [UNKNOWN]: Let's talk about hockey.
• 1:24:16
  [UNKNOWN]: Somebody said, I thought this was a Panthers podcast, but yeah, it is a Panthers podcast, but at the fact of the matter is, we do have to talk about the world.
• 1:24:26
  [UNKNOWN]: Number one.
• 1:24:28
  [UNKNOWN]: John B. Jenkins gives us a alternative football update.
• 1:24:32
  [UNKNOWN]: Also, Panthers adjacent every time Panthers Roshla, Ward Roshla are sister club on officially and Poland thing, Poland, but also we get the highlight to the connections of the Carolina Panthers in this.
• 1:24:50
  [UNKNOWN]: And now
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  [UNKNOWN]: we're talking hockey.
• 1:24:53
  [UNKNOWN]: It's North Carolina, and it's baby in the hurricanes, one of the damn Stanley Cup.
• 1:24:58
  [UNKNOWN]: I don't know if you guys missed this, but the most exciting Stanley Cup so much so we got their head coach, the Las Vegas Golden Knights head coach fired.
• 1:25:11
  [UNKNOWN]: That mug,
• 1:25:13
  [UNKNOWN]: Good looking fella to had the audacity to say he left his clothes in the hotel room in North Carolina because there's going to be a game seven and Carolina came out and dominated it let's talk about this because I'm telling you the can the canniacs
• 1:25:33
  [UNKNOWN]: If we could have this, the hurricanes have made the playoffs for eight straight years, this is exactly what this podcast needs and wants from the Carolina Panthers is to have eight like relevancy.
• 1:25:53
  [UNKNOWN]: Um, and as a Kane's fan, a converted Kane's fan, because when I've been a hockey fan before the Kane's existed, but because of my place, my where I live, like it's just by nature, get the go of the games and stuff like that, I have converted.
• 1:26:13
  [UNKNOWN]: to be in a canes fan is like, I mean, if you're a canes fan is like, this is eight years of the playoffs, but it's like you haven't had enough to get it done haven't had enough to get it done, but you've been relevant.
• 1:26:26
  [UNKNOWN]: and now they horse it meant mugs are going nuts and to tell you like you look outside that stadium uh a way games they're in Las Vegas and these mugs the fan base is watching the games outside of P.A.P.
• 1:26:42
  [UNKNOWN]: and C. Carter Fennett I think is Carter Family Stadium like I mean they're wild and it's it's awesome because too the other thing is and this is tangent like tangent
• 1:26:57
  [UNKNOWN]: The South, think about for a long time, there was a belief that southerners couldn't be hockey fans, right?
• 1:27:06
  [UNKNOWN]: And it really was.
• 1:27:06
  [UNKNOWN]: It was like, man, you're putting the hurricanes here and what, 1999 or whatever it was.
• 1:27:13
  [UNKNOWN]: What's such a boring story?
• 1:27:14
  [UNKNOWN]: Good.
• 1:27:14
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:27:15
  [UNKNOWN]: And it was like the people that lived here.
• 1:27:18
  [UNKNOWN]: And it shows you one that they endured through some bad years.
• 1:27:23
  [UNKNOWN]: but if you can build build build something good eight years of playoff hockey playoff hockey and there was a moment for hurricane fans who was like man are they ever going to get over the hump but eight years of making a playoff to win this gosh I all I could do is pray hope and pray that the Carolina Panthers to make the playoffs for eight years and then win the fucking
• 1:27:50
  [UNKNOWN]: Super Bowl.
• 1:27:52
  [UNKNOWN]: This podcast right now, I would be, I would be no shirt on crazy.
• 1:27:58
  [UNKNOWN]: Let's go.
• 1:27:59
  [UNKNOWN]: Let's jump be.
• 1:28:00
  [UNKNOWN]: All right, guys.
• 1:28:01
  [UNKNOWN]: This John B. Jenkins calling in.
• 1:28:04
  [UNKNOWN]: I got caught off.
• 1:28:05
  [UNKNOWN]: I think I did a good job talking alternative football and then the woman I started trying to talk hockey.
• 1:28:10
  [UNKNOWN]: It cut me off.
• 1:28:11
  [UNKNOWN]: And that's sitting.
• 1:28:12
  [UNKNOWN]: But as a hockey dad, I had to call back in and give you my songs on what
• 1:28:19
  [UNKNOWN]: As somebody who lives here in Chapel Hill, I moved up here 20 years ago, the year they won the cup.
• 1:28:27
  [UNKNOWN]: And fast forward 20 years later, I'm sitting there watching them win the game when the championship with my 13-year-old hockey plan son, that's right, number 83 himself, Mr. Big Jack.
• 1:28:41
  [UNKNOWN]: No.
• 1:28:41
  [UNKNOWN]: Thanks.
• 1:28:42
  [UNKNOWN]: Oh, the defenseman for the Hillsboro house.
• 1:28:45
  [UNKNOWN]: Oh, that's what I played.
• 1:28:47
  [UNKNOWN]: Anyway, it was fantastic.
• 1:28:50
  [UNKNOWN]: One thing that is really cool about the hockey scene up here in the triangle is that while these hockey players do get paid a bit of money.
• 1:29:01
  [UNKNOWN]: I mean, they make millions of dollars.
• 1:29:03
  [UNKNOWN]: But no, we're close.
• 1:29:04
  [UNKNOWN]: But they're not paid like NBA players and they're not paid like NFL players.
• 1:29:08
  [UNKNOWN]: Or baseball players.
• 1:29:10
  [UNKNOWN]: They're very tied into the local community.
• 1:29:13
  [UNKNOWN]: I mean, my kid is coached by, let's see, Aaron Ward is former player from the original Stanley Cup scene.
• 1:29:22
  [UNKNOWN]: Anyway, he's coached by one of his family members.
• 1:29:26
  [UNKNOWN]: Rob Brindermore coaches a youth hockey team and we have bumped in him a couple different times at the rings and he's just a very personal dude.
• 1:29:34
  [UNKNOWN]: He's just a guy.
• 1:29:36
  [UNKNOWN]: And it's just, it's such a cool scene and just a root for this team for so many years, especially, you know, Sebastian, I'm who, I'm who, and I'm very specific, and rod and man, I know I'm just talking hockey, but it, it's, I don't think I'm going to stop talking about that for a while, as a Panther fan, I have never experienced the championship.
• 1:30:03
  [UNKNOWN]: Yep, why am I thought to keep doing this just a brand and what got off and what the sleep is just it's such a feeling you're not a hockey person man.
• 1:30:13
  [UNKNOWN]: This is the time jump on to the bandwagon.
• 1:30:16
  [UNKNOWN]: Anyway, this has been John B. Jenkins calling in with your hockey dad update.
• 1:30:24
  [UNKNOWN]: The Carolina Hurricanes are Stanley Cup champions.
• 1:30:28
  [UNKNOWN]: It is back.
• 1:30:29
  [UNKNOWN]: Let's go.
• 1:30:31
  [UNKNOWN]: Oh, I got four years for this week.
• 1:30:33
  [UNKNOWN]: As always keep pounding Carolina Panthers.
• 1:30:36
  [UNKNOWN]: Keep pounding Panthers.
• 1:30:37
  [UNKNOWN]: Watch out.
• 1:30:38
  [UNKNOWN]: Go fish.
• 1:30:39
  [UNKNOWN]: Let's go Kings.
• 1:30:41
  [UNKNOWN]: Go hogs.
• 1:30:42
  [UNKNOWN]: Let's go.
• 1:30:46
  [UNKNOWN]: I'm not really, I've told you guys before.
• 1:30:48
  [UNKNOWN]: I'm not really much of a hockey fan, but dude, when you're in the Carolina's, and your team is playing for the championship.
• 1:30:56
  [UNKNOWN]: How dare you not show love and support?
• 1:30:59
  [UNKNOWN]: Also, my girl was also loving some hockey.
• 1:31:03
  [UNKNOWN]: And she's not even a hockey fan, but now because of this series, she's running both of us to watch hockey more.
• 1:31:13
  [UNKNOWN]: So maybe this next season, maybe this next season, I will do a little more hockey watching.
• 1:31:26
  [UNKNOWN]: Well, look, and Panther Bro, thank you for hanging out here at Panther Under Square Boe.
• 1:31:33
  [UNKNOWN]: He said, now I feel bad.
• 1:31:35
  [UNKNOWN]: I said, I thought this was hockey talk, guys.
• 1:31:37
  [UNKNOWN]: Cool.
• 1:31:38
  [UNKNOWN]: Bro, don't worry.
• 1:31:40
  [UNKNOWN]: Everybody is cool.
• 1:31:41
  [UNKNOWN]: You're cool.
• 1:31:42
  [UNKNOWN]: We're not.
• 1:31:42
  [UNKNOWN]: I'm not.
• 1:31:44
  [UNKNOWN]: this and on you on this is, but we can tangently relate this to the Panthers, right?
• 1:31:52
  [UNKNOWN]: And not for real is like is this is about the fan experience.
• 1:31:57
  [UNKNOWN]: And yes, we are look, the Stanley Cup just happened, the Hurricanes wanted this and that.
• 1:32:03
  [UNKNOWN]: But the ideas at the end of the call John B. says, you know, I want to feel this.
• 1:32:13
  [UNKNOWN]: I hope I can feel this for the Carolina Panthers.
• 1:32:15
  [UNKNOWN]: Right, one thing is this is that's wild.
• 1:32:17
  [UNKNOWN]: If you think about the Carolina Hurricanes, a team that was put in North Carolina that should and ultimately that didn't have a fan base.
• 1:32:28
  [UNKNOWN]: I mean, at one point, they didn't think it was financially viable.
• 1:32:31
  [UNKNOWN]: It's sold to Todd Dunham and here John B.
• 1:32:36
  [UNKNOWN]: Here's for your alternative football, Todd Dunham.
• 1:32:39
  [UNKNOWN]: was one of these guys that started the, one of the first AFL, or what, one of these alternative football leagues, he did it and then he bought it for an app and some people thought that it was weird that he wanted it to tank and he just did it for their digital capacity or something like this.
• 1:33:02
  [UNKNOWN]: But
• 1:33:03
  [UNKNOWN]: hockey wasn't supposed to work here and somehow and they hasn't they haven't been good like for some streaks they haven't been good but they have pulled two championships but they did have an eight this eight-year run rodbrandomore
• 1:33:18
  [UNKNOWN]: It's insane.
• 1:33:19
  [UNKNOWN]: This is the stat, the head coach for the Carolina hurricanes.
• 1:33:24
  [UNKNOWN]: One, he was the the team captain in 2006.
• 1:33:29
  [UNKNOWN]: He was like 40 something years old.
• 1:33:32
  [UNKNOWN]: He has been part of 99% of their playoff victories, the team history.
• 1:33:40
  [UNKNOWN]: So the Carolina hurricanes have existed.
• 1:33:44
  [UNKNOWN]: And he has either been a player or coach in 99% of all of their victories, which isn't insane step.
• 1:33:51
  [UNKNOWN]: But here is how we make it related to the Carolina Panthers, is that they have won two championships, which has been anus, right?
• 1:34:01
  [UNKNOWN]: Just win them one Stanley Cup.
• 1:34:03
  [UNKNOWN]: I think it's crazy too.
• 1:34:05
  [UNKNOWN]: But they have been so good in this last eight-year stretch, but they haven't been good enough.
• 1:34:12
  [UNKNOWN]: And even then, it's like, I am been watching them.
• 1:34:15
  [UNKNOWN]: I've been following them, and you're like, man, we are a great, all regular season.
• 1:34:20
  [UNKNOWN]: You get the playoffs, you're pretty good, but you run into the Panthers, the Florida Panthers, you run into, what was the other team that we always run into that the Tampa Bay lightning and their big, fast, strong, and we couldn't ever get over the hump.
• 1:34:39
  [UNKNOWN]: Here's the difference though, is the fatigue for hurricane fans is you're making the playoffs for eight-year straight and the fatigue is you can't get over the hump, but I've been on this podcast talking about the problem with the Carolina Panthers is
• 1:34:58
  [UNKNOWN]: not that having a bad season or going through a rebuild, but going through this, at what point, we don't have a long enough history.
• 1:35:08
  [UNKNOWN]: We don't have my grandpa was a Carolina Panthers fan, right?
• 1:35:13
  [UNKNOWN]: We don't have, like he's talking about this.
• 1:35:14
  [UNKNOWN]: Think about this.
• 1:35:15
  [UNKNOWN]: His son is playing hockey,
• 1:35:18
  [UNKNOWN]: And into hockey, he's 13 years old because the last eight years he's living in the triangle, he's watching this team do well and he's become interested in hockey.
• 1:35:31
  [UNKNOWN]: I'm not saying that's the only reason, but I bet that helped him, his interest into wanting to play that sport.
• 1:35:39
  [UNKNOWN]: for our discussion with the Carolina Panthers.
• 1:35:42
  [UNKNOWN]: And I've talked about this at Nazium, and I know if you guys were just tuning in, but we've been doing this podcast for 14 years now, is where a young team
• 1:35:56
  [UNKNOWN]: and we don't have generations of fans.
• 1:36:00
  [UNKNOWN]: Now we are starting to get to that.
• 1:36:02
  [UNKNOWN]: We are starting to get to the point where my dad was a Panther's fan.
• 1:36:06
  [UNKNOWN]: Now I'm a Panther fan and now my son's a Panther fan.
• 1:36:11
  [UNKNOWN]: It's very hard though when you go through long spells of losing,
• 1:36:17
  [UNKNOWN]: to have excitement like to be like, oh, man, my son's so excited about football because the Panthers have lost had losing seasons for six years in a row.
• 1:36:29
  [UNKNOWN]: So what the Panthers need and what we need.
• 1:36:32
  [UNKNOWN]: I mean, this would be great for a podcast and for a fan base and for a family or friends or kids is for the Panthers to have some sort of success.
• 1:36:44
  [UNKNOWN]: Number one.
• 1:36:46
  [UNKNOWN]: Number two, to have some sort of sustained success.
• 1:36:50
  [UNKNOWN]: But the worst thing you can have is sustained madness.
• 1:36:55
  [UNKNOWN]: Like, how do you weather that?
• 1:36:57
  [UNKNOWN]: So what, what I'm trying to bridge this conversation to is the Panthers have been bad.
• 1:37:03
  [UNKNOWN]: But when was the last time we had a win in season?
• 1:37:08
  [UNKNOWN]: seven years ago, uh, a winning season was 20 seven things.
• 1:37:14
  [UNKNOWN]: Almost a decade, right, ticket.
• 1:37:17
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I mean, this year, I guess next year will be 10 year would be.
• 1:37:20
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
• 1:37:21
  [UNKNOWN]: Yes.
• 1:37:21
  [UNKNOWN]: Like, is how do you not only foster a fan base and excitement?
• 1:37:27
  [UNKNOWN]: I don't need them.
• 1:37:28
  [UNKNOWN]: Yes, I want them to win.
• 1:37:31
  [UNKNOWN]: the Super Bowl.
• 1:37:31
  [UNKNOWN]: I certainly do.
• 1:37:33
  [UNKNOWN]: But we could if we could get a like if we could replicate this hurricanes vibe that's going on.
• 1:37:43
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
• 1:37:44
  [UNKNOWN]: Where you're playoff playoff play and now we're disappointed because we didn't win it.
• 1:37:49
  [UNKNOWN]: But we made the playoffs.
• 1:37:51
  [UNKNOWN]: But people are excited and then you win it.
• 1:37:53
  [UNKNOWN]: Right now these mugs are going nuts about the Carolina hurricanes and what we want on this
• 1:38:01
  [UNKNOWN]: is to have that sensation it's a build it to build it in that way almost would be great.
• 1:38:09
  [UNKNOWN]: I don't know let me ask you this.
• 1:38:10
  [UNKNOWN]: I'll ask you guys this because I know I've been hogging the mic here.
• 1:38:14
  [UNKNOWN]: Would you rather just win the Super Bowl next year and have 20 years of badness or would you rather
• 1:38:28
  [UNKNOWN]: make the playoffs for the next eight years and win the Super Bowl at the end.
• 1:38:35
  [UNKNOWN]: Or be in the Super Bowl.
• 1:38:37
  [UNKNOWN]: How about that?
• 1:38:37
  [UNKNOWN]: It's just be in the Super Bowl.
• 1:38:39
  [UNKNOWN]: So you don't win it.
• 1:38:40
  [UNKNOWN]: We're just in it.
• 1:38:43
  [UNKNOWN]: Right, and I don't know how to phrase this.
• 1:38:45
  [UNKNOWN]: I guess what I'm I think about my friend C. K. who's a Tampa Bay buck in the airspam and he's like a die hard Tampa Bay buck in the airspam.
• 1:38:53
  [UNKNOWN]: He's a die he loves the NFL like he wears an NFL shirt like the shield he but he goes to the whole of fame game every year.
• 1:39:01
  [UNKNOWN]: I'm like damn dude.
• 1:39:01
  [UNKNOWN]: You're really just he's like out the shield.
• 1:39:05
  [UNKNOWN]: But he loves this to end as like, man, they've had two super bowls, but they've had 20 years of irrelevancy in between in a sense.
• 1:39:16
  [UNKNOWN]: Would you rather just get a super bowl and suck for 20 years?
• 1:39:20
  [UNKNOWN]: Would you rather be relevant for 10 years with the potential of winning a super bowl?
• 1:39:34
  [UNKNOWN]: That's a hard question.
• 1:39:36
  [UNKNOWN]: If you were to, if you were to ask a bills fan, I'd say they want the Super Bowl.
• 1:39:41
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, you know, well, they've had both.
• 1:39:43
  [UNKNOWN]: Have it.
• 1:39:44
  [UNKNOWN]: They see.
• 1:39:44
  [UNKNOWN]: Okay.
• 1:39:45
  [UNKNOWN]: Well, they've had both.
• 1:39:46
  [UNKNOWN]: They've had 20 years of irrelevancy and think about it this way.
• 1:39:52
  [UNKNOWN]: They just got rid of Sean McDermott.
• 1:39:54
  [UNKNOWN]: who has been their coach and taken them to the playoffs for what is it.
• 1:40:00
  [UNKNOWN]: Seven years of history.
• 1:40:03
  [UNKNOWN]: The field.
• 1:40:03
  [UNKNOWN]: It might be even more than I don't know.
• 1:40:06
  [UNKNOWN]: You know, but in that's how if you're a built fan right now, your thought is if it means we're bad, you know,
• 1:40:15
  [UNKNOWN]: three out of four years, but one of those four years were guaranteed a Super Bowl.
• 1:40:18
  [UNKNOWN]: I'd rather be bad three out of four and win as a Super Bowl.
• 1:40:20
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that's what we're not talking three out of four.
• 1:40:23
  [UNKNOWN]: We're talking, I don't know.
• 1:40:25
  [UNKNOWN]: I'm not a 20 sure sure, but the reason I say it in such a matter of fact way for a franchise like that is they were there multiple times.
• 1:40:37
  [UNKNOWN]: They've, they've been to the Super Bowl three times when in four years have I'm not mistaken.
• 1:40:41
  [UNKNOWN]: And that was back in the 90s.
• 1:40:43
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, lost all three times.
• 1:40:46
  [UNKNOWN]: And, and you know, I went through a 20, a 12 year old and, and so now they're back into the same thing where it's like, you know, always the brides made never the bride, you know, they've always can make it to that.
• 1:41:02
  [UNKNOWN]: you know, um, and so, but the other part of it, too, is like that fan base is alive, dude.
• 1:41:11
  [UNKNOWN]: Also a generational team, too, where the, yeah, where their dads and dads lie.
• 1:41:16
  [UNKNOWN]: Sure.
• 1:41:17
  [UNKNOWN]: But I'll tell you what, when they were bad, the stadiums weren't as full as they are now.
• 1:41:23
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, you're right.
• 1:41:24
  [UNKNOWN]: You know, I want to do it like the Cains did keep in mind, the they've sold that franchise in the midst of their like being, you know, this basically nothing that franchise sold in what the early 2010s.
• 1:41:41
  [UNKNOWN]: to you know so that was it was going through enough of a hardship to where it was sold by their previous owner.
• 1:41:48
  [UNKNOWN]: Not because of just like you know it was just I don't think it was as much of an investment as they were hoping it was going to be and now that what is it that pagana or not the pagana is anyway.
• 1:41:59
  [UNKNOWN]: So I think from a perspective of building a culture I think you
• 1:42:06
  [UNKNOWN]: But if you never get to the chip, you're never going to be remembered.
• 1:42:11
  [UNKNOWN]: Like the bills will not be remembered for being good for seven years.
• 1:42:17
  [UNKNOWN]: No, they need to win it now.
• 1:42:18
  [UNKNOWN]: I guess the question Cody is, would you sell yourself for?
• 1:42:24
  [UNKNOWN]: a Super Bowl.
• 1:42:24
  [UNKNOWN]: I mean, I give it to you.
• 1:42:25
  [UNKNOWN]: So I don't want you to know.
• 1:42:28
  [UNKNOWN]: And then if you said this, if you were a fan and you said we can win the Super Bowl next year, but we have to go through 20 years of irrelevancy, would it be worth it?
• 1:42:39
  [UNKNOWN]: I mean, it sucks, but I guess I probably would do it because I understand what it's saying.
• 1:42:44
  [UNKNOWN]: Like the Buffalo bills were the team of the early 1990s, like they were it, they were the team.
• 1:42:53
  [UNKNOWN]: But because they lost all of those corn around.
• 1:42:57
  [UNKNOWN]: four in a row.
• 1:42:58
  [UNKNOWN]: That's what their known has.
• 1:43:00
  [UNKNOWN]: They're not remembered as one of the best teams of the 90s.
• 1:43:04
  [UNKNOWN]: They're remembered as the team that lost four Super Bowl.
• 1:43:08
  [UNKNOWN]: Oh, it's a laughing stock in a way.
• 1:43:10
  [UNKNOWN]: They are.
• 1:43:11
  [UNKNOWN]: So this as much as it was suck.
• 1:43:13
  [UNKNOWN]: This is because we've been bad for a lot of different viewers here in Carolina, just having the memory of what it would be like to win a Super Bowl.
• 1:43:23
  [UNKNOWN]: I do imagine due to Chicago Bears and your offenders all the enough to remember the 85 Bears, but you'll never forget that as long as you live.
• 1:43:33
  [UNKNOWN]: No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, remember that.
• 1:43:36
  [UNKNOWN]: But yeah, I mean, but that's how time goes, you know, to me, but the people that didn't get to experience, they will claim to something that is fleeting, that it was for their generation, the younger generations might not have it, but they will have a memory in time.
• 1:43:54
  [UNKNOWN]: where their favorite NFL team, the most popular sport in America, their team was champions.
• 1:44:01
  [UNKNOWN]: And I would love to see what would happen here in the Carolinas if that actually happened with the Panthers.
• 1:44:06
  [UNKNOWN]: So I guess we're all super bold.
• 1:44:09
  [UNKNOWN]: I guess my, and then this is a cake and eat it to moment, but we watched it with the hurricanes is eight years play a eight-year straight, the longest playoff run for a team that in the last what 40 or 50, you know, like as they made it every year.
• 1:44:30
  [UNKNOWN]: And it was disappointing.
• 1:44:31
  [UNKNOWN]: It was like, oh, man, they made it.
• 1:44:32
  [UNKNOWN]: They made it.
• 1:44:33
  [UNKNOWN]: They progressed.
• 1:44:33
  [UNKNOWN]: They got there, but they never got it.
• 1:44:36
  [UNKNOWN]: the momentum that that eight years built to this moment is better than just a one off.
• 1:44:45
  [UNKNOWN]: And so if the Panthers certainly, I would want them to win the Super Bowl next year.
• 1:44:52
  [UNKNOWN]: And then I could do it.
• 1:44:53
  [UNKNOWN]: Look, I've dealt with them sucking for the last eight years on the this podcast.
• 1:44:59
  [UNKNOWN]: But think of that crescendo.
• 1:45:05
  [UNKNOWN]: that they're imagine of this if the Panthers were fucking NFC the South champs four years straight five, you know, like what and then and then you went at like I mean the momentum that that builds for a fan base must be incredible and now we'll say though telling you my answer probably would have changed.
• 1:45:26
  [UNKNOWN]: if you kept it to the original one of, well, you're good for eight years and then you finally went a Super Bowl because then my mind said to this best case scenario because then my mind said would have been well damn it is going to take us a long time to win that Super Bowl, but however you've been through a bunch of years where we haven't won a Super Bowl,
• 1:45:51
  [UNKNOWN]: you get to at least go into the season knowing that your team is at least a contender.
• 1:45:57
  [UNKNOWN]: That would have been a news answer, but the other way, like never winning it, you have to get that the budget trophy here.
• 1:46:05
  [UNKNOWN]: And that is, you bring up a great point is that it could never just happen.
• 1:46:12
  [UNKNOWN]: You know, you could just be a relevant, relevant, relevant,
• 1:46:19
  [UNKNOWN]: I think I'm just trying to celebrate the momentum of the Carolina Hurricanes, and if we could have that, and I felt, and this is me waxing nostalgic about when we, that we had a moment where it felt like it was coming that way.
• 1:46:39
  [UNKNOWN]: You know, I mean, when we walked out of 2015 and that Super Bowl loss, I didn't, I thought the Panthers were going to be, this is how fleeting it can be.
• 1:46:53
  [UNKNOWN]: That's that's, I guess my point is how fleeting it can be because I thought, man, we got Cam is we're going to be around.
• 1:47:02
  [UNKNOWN]: We didn't get it.
• 1:47:03
  [UNKNOWN]: I didn't think it was over.
• 1:47:09
  [UNKNOWN]: Okay, hey, hey, this is a woods I was calling in.
• 1:47:15
  [UNKNOWN]: Was that a woods?
• 1:47:16
  [UNKNOWN]: Happened on purpose, nation.
• 1:47:18
  [UNKNOWN]: I feel like we are doing so much in the light on a great scheme of things on with our obviously the plugins we can got, particularly speaking on last year of being up to the new year, the new beginning.
• 1:47:36
  [UNKNOWN]: on, I do feel like all of our contributes for our skilled players, quarterback, running back.
• 1:47:44
  [UNKNOWN]: I feel like everything is set for it to be a great on season.
• 1:47:49
  [UNKNOWN]: But particularly speaking about the defense, where are we, cause I mean, just a little help on the defense.
• 1:47:58
  [UNKNOWN]: Are we the same as last year, even though we pick and plug a few new people?
• 1:48:03
  [UNKNOWN]: Are we the same?
• 1:48:05
  [UNKNOWN]: It's last year, or do you think we upgrade, do you guys think we've upgraded a lot from last year to where we all know these events, especially in this era, I mean in the era, but especially in this era, these events actually do win games on, do we got an upside on our defense course pretty much on the same as last year, on considering the new plug-ins we got.
• 1:48:32
  [UNKNOWN]: Tony, I'm going to jump in on this one.
• 1:48:35
  [UNKNOWN]: By the way, thank you to Woods for the call, great call, and it leads right into what we're going to talk about in regards to the defense, but I think we are going to be a much better defense.
• 1:48:45
  [UNKNOWN]: And part of the reason why is the amount of not all the draft picks that we spent on defense recently between last year and this year.
• 1:48:54
  [UNKNOWN]: But remember a couple of years back when Dan Morgan had a mission,
• 1:48:59
  [UNKNOWN]: to revamp and fix the offensive light and he literally did that.
• 1:49:03
  [UNKNOWN]: He goes out gets Damian Lewis and gets Robert Hunt and you see what dividends it paid off adding those through into the offensive line.
• 1:49:13
  [UNKNOWN]: I really do feel like Dan Morgan did that this pass off season.
• 1:49:18
  [UNKNOWN]: It goes out and gets one of the highest profile ad rosers in free agency in the former jail and Phillips had to pay him a lot of money, but that man isn't Carolina Panther for the foreseeable future with his best years, hopefully he's still out in front of them.
• 1:49:33
  [UNKNOWN]: And then this man right here, how many times have we been saying on this podcast, Tony, and see, okay, that we really need to find the true next era parent to the chiefs against Thomas Davis, going through this who's who of different linebackers to play inside, has just been wearing on our soul, man.
• 1:49:56
  [UNKNOWN]: Too many teams have been able to run the football on us
• 1:50:01
  [UNKNOWN]: and to partly because this linebacker position has not been up to the standard of historical Carolina Panthers linebackers.
• 1:50:11
  [UNKNOWN]: You know, even back to Dan Morgan and then John Bees and after him, linebacker play has been one of the keystones of a Carolina Panthers defense and I feel and a lot of other people feel that the Panthers
• 1:50:28
  [UNKNOWN]: really did make a tremendous step forward by signing one of the NFL's most versatile players in Devon Lloyd and Ted Durin at the athletic who ran to Lloyd amongst the ten most versatile players in the NFL.
• 1:50:45
  [UNKNOWN]: Durin writes Lloyd was actually as a runner-fender.
• 1:50:49
  [UNKNOWN]: and the past defender, and was a revelation as a blitzer in coverage and five nervous options and seven passes defended.
• 1:50:57
  [UNKNOWN]: His coverage ability was a big reason why the Jaguar was finished first and defensive VP day on passes between the numbers as a pass rusher.
• 1:51:06
  [UNKNOWN]: Lord has 10 quarterback hits and a ridiculous 28.1% pressure rate.
• 1:51:14
  [UNKNOWN]: Devon Lloyd might be the player that I feel like we're not giving enough attention to if that's even possible.
• 1:51:22
  [UNKNOWN]: You know, the big signing of Jalen Phillips, and even I said if the Panthers are going to be the top defense, it's incumbent upon Phillips being who we think he is, but to me Devon Lloyd can fundamentally change how people view our front seven.
• 1:51:40
  [UNKNOWN]: league wide as a team here with the Panthers.
• 1:51:44
  [UNKNOWN]: So I'm really excited about that.
• 1:51:47
  [UNKNOWN]: And I think that this year, the Carolina Panthers have the potential to be one of the very best defenses in the NFL.
• 1:51:56
  [UNKNOWN]: And then we get to our next slide that will also further bolster my opinion that we're going to have a very good defense in through thousand twenty six.
• 1:52:07
  [UNKNOWN]: I don't know if the Carolina Panthers are going to have a top 10 defense, like I don't know, like it could and I could not, right?
• 1:52:17
  [UNKNOWN]: But we have a leadership and direction now that was non-exit.
• 1:52:25
  [UNKNOWN]: We had some talent.
• 1:52:27
  [UNKNOWN]: We had some talent in J.C. Horn and Derek Brown.
• 1:52:32
  [UNKNOWN]: But we did not have somebody said in the chat that they were excited about the center of the defense.
• 1:52:43
  [UNKNOWN]: But I know like what they mean is the center is dirt brown to deven Lloyd to basically a trip to morgue, but what I think is now you have anchors.
• 1:53:01
  [UNKNOWN]: on a defense.
• 1:53:02
  [UNKNOWN]: You have a leadership on a or on that position on that side of the ball that you can then build the players that are in flux around it.
• 1:53:14
  [UNKNOWN]: So I know this is that the Carolina Panthers improved on paper for sure.
• 1:53:22
  [UNKNOWN]: And like what that translates into the season week, I can't be sure of, you know, I mean injuries this that all of that can happen.
• 1:53:37
  [UNKNOWN]: But I think they have directions, OK?
• 1:53:40
  [UNKNOWN]: And that is, is that we have guys that have stepped in.
• 1:53:44
  [UNKNOWN]: To me, with Devon Lloyd, that's been most impressive is not that he was just a top five free agent acquisition and that we've historically, or we have no, we've had band aids at this position group, which I will throw Cody under the bus on this,
• 1:54:06
  [UNKNOWN]: I am I'm gonna say this is like it's kind of similar to the running back discussion for the last eight years we've had
• 1:54:15
  [UNKNOWN]: Oh, linebackers can be replaceable, you know, a guy can go out there and play it, but we have leadership.
• 1:54:23
  [UNKNOWN]: We have, I think, did you say that linebackers are replaced?
• 1:54:27
  [UNKNOWN]: No, no, but you said it for like running backs.
• 1:54:30
  [UNKNOWN]: You know, you say like running backs are kind of a dime a dozen, but that the same actually that money ball mentality.
• 1:54:38
  [UNKNOWN]: of running backs, actually has played out in the NFL at the linebacker position on defense.
• 1:54:44
  [UNKNOWN]: If you flip like what is the running back of the defense, it's been linebackers.
• 1:54:51
  [UNKNOWN]: Right, it's like they don't deserve the big money.
• 1:54:54
  [UNKNOWN]: They don't do this.
• 1:54:56
  [UNKNOWN]: But what I think that we have done C. Gay is that we have built, we didn't sign these guys just for what they do necessarily.
• 1:55:09
  [UNKNOWN]: But Devon Lloyd, what I've been most impressed with is his lead, like the confidence is the way he speaks about.
• 1:55:19
  [UNKNOWN]: leading the team.
• 1:55:21
  [UNKNOWN]: And, you know, he's like kind of a vet, you know.
• 1:55:25
  [UNKNOWN]: Um, so I do look, I would say this is to the caller's point.
• 1:55:29
  [UNKNOWN]: My whole point is I fully expect the Carolina Panthers that they are better in talent.
• 1:55:35
  [UNKNOWN]: I think they're better in leadership and I expect them to be better.
• 1:55:40
  [UNKNOWN]: I don't know if that jump
• 1:55:50
  [UNKNOWN]: But I, if the Panthers are not better on deep, this is, in C.K.
• 1:55:56
  [UNKNOWN]: is, uh, Everrow Hater.
• 1:55:59
  [UNKNOWN]: I wouldn't say I'm an Everrow Hater, but, like, Everrow has been, I mean, and, and your fairness to you is, like, he's had his fingerprints on this defense.
• 1:56:09
  [UNKNOWN]: It's not just him, like, oh, like, now he's got the, this defense fucking better.
• 1:56:17
  [UNKNOWN]: do their thing, but the offense better do their thing too, because that's been another problem for this defense is that if the offense puts up fucking 15 points a week, I don't care how good your defense is, I expect the Carolina Panthers defense to be significantly more prevalent prolific than it has been.
• 1:56:41
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
• 1:56:41
  [UNKNOWN]: I mean, I think when you look at the additions we've had in the offseason, you know, what I think we all would consider some pretty major contributions from the draft, not all in the last year, but, you know, I think we have some big hope for it as we talked about with Lee Hunter this year.
• 1:57:00
  [UNKNOWN]: And so, yeah, I mean, ever, again, now I'll address it.
• 1:57:04
  [UNKNOWN]: I'm not a
• 1:57:09
  [UNKNOWN]: I don't know how he has dodged the bullets when it comes to how poorly our defense has played at times.
• 1:57:18
  [UNKNOWN]: And while I know it has improved and I think there's some credit that can be provided because of it, you know, this year, we said this last year, but with the additions we had then this year is absolutely, if we don't see not just noticeable improvement, a massive step forward, it is a direct indictment on Evo.
• 1:57:43
  [UNKNOWN]: Absolutely no no holds barred.
• 1:57:46
  [UNKNOWN]: You need to remove him from the organization and move on.
• 1:57:49
  [UNKNOWN]: But right now he's going to go get a head coach and job front, maybe.
• 1:57:53
  [UNKNOWN]: I mean, if that's the other part is that you, but if that happens, I mean, I'm going to think this is Sean McDermott signed anywhere yet, because I'm happy to bring him back.
• 1:58:01
  [UNKNOWN]: It depends on the board.
• 1:58:02
  [UNKNOWN]: He bought a house in Charlotte recently and you know, maybe that was the maybe we knew the end result was to get Sean McDermott back in the building is a defensive coordinator, but who knows and then him and Dave can now as can have a Convergence over skin cancer.
• 1:58:24
  [UNKNOWN]: Oh, okay, I mean, because I mean, I'm not it.
• 1:58:27
  [UNKNOWN]: Yes, um, yeah, that was a big deal for.
• 1:58:31
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I saw that on hard knocks.
• 1:58:33
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, and I'm celebrating that.
• 1:58:36
  [UNKNOWN]: I'm just saying.
• 1:58:37
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, of course not everyone does that.
• 1:58:39
  [UNKNOWN]: Um, but I, um, so listen, continuing on that path of the defense.
• 1:58:44
  [UNKNOWN]: If we're talking about Tony, if our defense has the ability to actually be one of the best,
• 1:58:52
  [UNKNOWN]: You know, we talked about Devon Lloyd.
• 1:58:54
  [UNKNOWN]: If you're excited about Devon Lloyd, and what this defense has the opportunity to do, it is because of the two men that we have in the middle.
• 1:59:05
  [UNKNOWN]: I mentioned first the amount of players that we've drafted on the defense.
• 1:59:09
  [UNKNOWN]: How about the Carolina Panthers sprint their second round pick on a dynamic nose tackle Namely Hunter and how about Lee Hunter and Derek Brown are putting in work together.
• 1:59:27
  [UNKNOWN]: This is him.
• 1:59:28
  [UNKNOWN]: And this is dirt brown and really getting some work in and, you know, it really shows that they want to be able to have that chemistry between next to each other on the field and I love the facts that our original vet dirt brown is already helping to import some of his knowledge on our Joan dynamic second round pick.
• 1:59:53
  [UNKNOWN]: I love this man and I, you know, just actually wanted to see your quarterback and your wide receiver, building that camaraderie in the offices and I think the difference of players also needed to do the same thing.
• 2:00:06
  [UNKNOWN]: And I'm happy to see them, you know, getting working and trying to be on the same page and in terms of first of all, then shake.
• 2:00:23
  [UNKNOWN]: You know, fans, I mean, I'm not trying to shit on the rookie in what way.
• 2:00:31
  [UNKNOWN]: Look at that first drill.
• 2:00:32
  [UNKNOWN]: Look at the go back.
• 2:00:35
  [UNKNOWN]: So this is the first drill.
• 2:00:36
  [UNKNOWN]: All right.
• 2:00:36
  [UNKNOWN]: Look at this.
• 2:00:38
  [UNKNOWN]: And I, of course, he's teaching him, he's learning this kind of reminds me of one video, but watch this, look at how, and what I am, I'm not trying to jump on Lee Hunter.
• 2:00:53
  [UNKNOWN]: I'm trying to look at, look at how smooth the dirt brown is.
• 2:00:58
  [UNKNOWN]: This is, this mug is
• 2:01:09
  [UNKNOWN]: you cannot tell me that it was the same.
• 2:01:12
  [UNKNOWN]: It didn't may in two years, but I mean, there look at did you not see it?
• 2:01:17
  [UNKNOWN]: Do you not see it?
• 2:01:18
  [UNKNOWN]: But that's why dirt brown is the fucking b's knee.
• 2:01:21
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that's there.
• 2:01:23
  [UNKNOWN]: Look at how smithed.
• 2:01:24
  [UNKNOWN]: They're already doing sweat too.
• 2:01:26
  [UNKNOWN]: So I don't realize me of that.
• 2:01:29
  [UNKNOWN]: Fresh going into this, but.
• 2:01:31
  [UNKNOWN]: No, it reminds me of the Aaron Donald video where CK, who's the guy that they just
• 2:01:39
  [UNKNOWN]: No, but the, the guy that they traded to the brawl.
• 2:01:41
  [UNKNOWN]: Oh, you're, um, oh, gosh, I've already forgotten.
• 2:01:44
  [UNKNOWN]: But they had a video with him, um, early on.
• 2:01:48
  [UNKNOWN]: And he was working out with Aaron Donald and like, and he was just fucking gasped as fuck.
• 2:01:53
  [UNKNOWN]: It just shows you how great this has nothing to do with it.
• 2:01:58
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
• 2:01:58
  [UNKNOWN]: It has nothing to do with our prospect.
• 2:02:01
  [UNKNOWN]: This is what I'm trying to celebrate is how good Derek Brown is and how smooth he is and How great he can help him become Yes, that's it.
• 2:02:15
  [UNKNOWN]: That's it.
• 2:02:15
  [UNKNOWN]: That's not I'm not dumping on him.
• 2:02:17
  [UNKNOWN]: I'm just saying look I mean if you don't look at that smoothness and go But it should be like that if you're at a probal guy and they look the same
• 2:02:30
  [UNKNOWN]: That's it.
• 2:02:31
  [UNKNOWN]: All right.
• 2:02:32
  [UNKNOWN]: It was a story.
• 2:02:33
  [UNKNOWN]: I'd like to thought of mine we have in leadership now and I think that's what I'd like to do.
• 2:02:40
  [UNKNOWN]: This is that we have a veteran badass leader like Derek Brown who has already taken the young man under his wing and wants him to be special and I think that's going to be a great thing.
• 2:02:54
  [UNKNOWN]: about here in real quick and I just want to say this is what I mean to like anchors and leadership is that we have not had this feeling or at least I haven't for a long time is that there was a time
• 2:03:13
  [UNKNOWN]: when it came to the defense or the offense is that there were certain guys that we knew like we would buy their jersey we knew they would be there like it was we're built not we're building our defense around Luke kickly but it's like we have Luke we have this we have this everybody else is a Jason.
• 2:03:37
  [UNKNOWN]: And that's good.
• 2:03:38
  [UNKNOWN]: Like I mean, like we can bring in good players, we can do this.
• 2:03:41
  [UNKNOWN]: But if you don't have those anchors to start, like we're all searching for it.
• 2:03:48
  [UNKNOWN]: And we just haven't, I mean, think about it like is who's Jersey would you buy?
• 2:03:56
  [UNKNOWN]: I mean, who's dirt like is that this is the pult, the temperature, the person that we're like, they're going to be here next year.
• 2:04:07
  [UNKNOWN]: And we want, we want them to be here next year and the next year.
• 2:04:11
  [UNKNOWN]: Like, we are building it around them.
• 2:04:14
  [UNKNOWN]: You know, and I guess, I mean, it is J.C. Horn.
• 2:04:18
  [UNKNOWN]: and it's been dirt brown, but I don't think that J.C. has been ultimately big enough to me it's been dirt brown, dirt brown.
• 2:04:28
  [UNKNOWN]: What jersey would you guys have a bought like straight up with confidence?
• 2:04:35
  [UNKNOWN]: I mean, I could have told you like 10 years ago, I've been like, I bought cams Jersey, I bought looped Jersey, I bought Thomas Davis Jersey, I bought Matt Khalil and not Matt and Fut Matt Khalil, Ryan Khalil's, like, I mean, you had these play Greg Olsen.
• 2:04:51
  [UNKNOWN]: It's like, this is the five guys on our team next year.
• 2:04:56
  [UNKNOWN]: And now we add to them.
• 2:04:59
  [UNKNOWN]: And we've had a little, we haven't really had that.
• 2:05:03
  [UNKNOWN]: So, all right, enough of that.
• 2:05:07
  [UNKNOWN]: So we're going to go back to Joe Persons article, talking about the chemical on it.
• 2:05:12
  [UNKNOWN]: It was just how long until it can get back, this is a necessary training camp question since it came up on a startup on the purpose while continuing this recovery for the tele-attended surgery.
• 2:05:24
  [UNKNOWN]: But to me, it's the panthers, oh, but it's the tone of the panthers, still refuse to answer either because they're not sure of its timeline or don't want to create expectations
• 2:05:36
  [UNKNOWN]: All can Alice would say last week is at a corner of overturning at some point this season and that the 2020 first round pick is crushing rehab.
• 2:05:46
  [UNKNOWN]: He's excited about it.
• 2:05:47
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I think the trainers are excited about his progress.
• 2:05:50
  [UNKNOWN]: They're just continuing to progress in different types of movement.
• 2:05:53
  [UNKNOWN]: forward movement a little bit of lateral movement and just continuing to see how making this possible.
• 2:05:59
  [UNKNOWN]: But in a smart way, this spirit is high and can also add it as a section with it almost daily and see him.
• 2:06:05
  [UNKNOWN]: If you had a big smile on this face, you know, it's the work in front of him.
• 2:06:09
  [UNKNOWN]: We talked about this before and I don't have a point to say about it, but this said it would be interesting to see what they do decide to do with taking if he does come back this year ready to
• 2:06:22
  [UNKNOWN]: He's gonna have to make the purpose.
• 2:06:24
  [UNKNOWN]: Is it on in the backup tackle?
• 2:06:28
  [UNKNOWN]: You know, it's just, you know, kind of like what Brady Christensen was just, whatever his needed don't fill him in.
• 2:06:35
  [UNKNOWN]: I really don't know to me.
• 2:06:36
  [UNKNOWN]: This is one of the bigger questions.
• 2:06:39
  [UNKNOWN]: on the team right now, and Tony last years that you asked me if I had an opportunity to ask Dave can now us another question right now in the moment, it would be this, it would be thinking, where do they view him going forward and if it does come back, what position would that be?
• 2:06:58
  [UNKNOWN]: A CK, I don't think the question is about the position is will they pop doesn't name, right?
• 2:07:05
  [UNKNOWN]: Isn't that what you have to do to a player that is hurt, that you want on your roster, that you don't want to affect the roster, but then they have to come back by a week eight, but you have to activate them by a week 11.
• 2:07:22
  [UNKNOWN]: But if the Carolina Panthers don't think,
• 2:07:25
  [UNKNOWN]: that he is going to be ready to go about week 11 for game time.
• 2:07:30
  [UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
• 2:07:32
  [UNKNOWN]: It's like, I mean, wouldn't that in my wrong, like, uh, I think that's what you have to do.
• 2:07:38
  [UNKNOWN]: Pop.
• 2:07:39
  [UNKNOWN]: And then you have to make a decision.
• 2:07:43
  [UNKNOWN]: I mean, he's still on the roster.
• 2:07:44
  [UNKNOWN]: You're not cutting them or anything like that.
• 2:07:46
  [UNKNOWN]: But right, I don't think you can.
• 2:07:49
  [UNKNOWN]: I don't think you can just bring them back at any moment.
• 2:07:52
  [UNKNOWN]: Like you have to make a decision if you're going to bring them back.
• 2:07:57
  [UNKNOWN]: You can't be like, oh, it's week 15.
• 2:07:59
  [UNKNOWN]: He's ready.
• 2:08:02
  [UNKNOWN]: No, I think I do think there's a designated designation to return period similar to an IR.
• 2:08:08
  [UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
• 2:08:09
  [UNKNOWN]: I can't remember the specifics of it, because I had the, I think there's two versions of the pup, right?
• 2:08:15
  [UNKNOWN]: There's one that you're out for the entire year.
• 2:08:18
  [UNKNOWN]: And then there's one that allows you to come back.
• 2:08:22
  [UNKNOWN]: And I'm guessing based on the way that they were talking, they anticipate putting him on the one that would allow him to come back midway through the season
• 2:08:32
  [UNKNOWN]: But again, I don't know, it depends on where they value him, right?
• 2:08:37
  [UNKNOWN]: If we're dealing with an injury at the left tackle position, then short bringing back, and we can have to have tackles again, and we're a little less concerned.
• 2:08:46
  [UNKNOWN]: But of both of those guys are good, Walker, and, and, uh, Freeland.
• 2:08:54
  [UNKNOWN]: Then what where does he keep it in?
• 2:08:56
  [UNKNOWN]: And do you start to have the conversation of moving him to
• 2:09:02
  [UNKNOWN]: Okay, here is the, here are the rules.
• 2:09:07
  [UNKNOWN]: The preseason active pup, when training camp opens, a team can place an injured, an injured player on active PUP list, pup, the gold rule, a player can only be placed on the pup list if they have never participated or played a single snap in training camp.
• 2:09:28
  [UNKNOWN]: the moment at player participates in even one official practice, even on limited duty, they are permanently eligible for the public roster status.
• 2:09:39
  [UNKNOWN]: They count against the offseason 90 man roster.
• 2:09:43
  [UNKNOWN]: The deadline, the team can activate them at any point during training camp.
• 2:09:49
  [UNKNOWN]: Preseason pup.
• 2:09:51
  [UNKNOWN]: The regular season reserve pup.
• 2:09:53
  [UNKNOWN]: If a player goes through all of training camp preseason without practicing, which I expect that would be the case with Aquana.
• 2:10:02
  [UNKNOWN]: And it's still not healthy.
• 2:10:03
  [UNKNOWN]: The team must make a definitive decision.
• 2:10:07
  [UNKNOWN]: at the Final 53 man roster cut down in late August, they can choose to activate the player, release them or put them on season and the injured reserve I are, or moved them to reserve pup, the waiting period.
• 2:10:24
  [UNKNOWN]: The player must sit out, practice for the first four games.
• 2:10:29
  [UNKNOWN]: So you would put them on reserve pup if you believed they're gonna play in the first,
• 2:10:36
  [UNKNOWN]: six weeks because it says, um, the waiting period mandatory, the player must sit out and as an eligible practice for the first four games in the regular season.
• 2:10:47
  [UNKNOWN]: They do not count against the 53 man roster.
• 2:10:51
  [UNKNOWN]: The return and practice window the five week clock.
• 2:10:55
  [UNKNOWN]: Once the four game absences over teams have a five week window from week five through week nine to clear the player to
• 2:11:08
  [UNKNOWN]: I'm going to tell you this is, all right, he's either going to get the regular season reserve for a reserve pub.
• 2:11:17
  [UNKNOWN]: All right, the final decision window, the 21 day clock, the exact day, the player steps on to the practice field, a strict 21 day evaluation clock begins.
• 2:11:28
  [UNKNOWN]: During these three weeks, the player can practice with the team while remaining exempt from the 53 man roster, the final decision before the 21 days expire, the team must make their final decision activate them.
• 2:11:43
  [UNKNOWN]: or leave them on the pub and move them to IOR.
• 2:11:48
  [UNKNOWN]: All right, so the Panthers are gonna do this.
• 2:11:49
  [UNKNOWN]: They're gonna put him on their regular season reserve, pop list.
• 2:11:55
  [UNKNOWN]: And there's a potential that he just gets moved to IOR.
• 2:12:01
  [UNKNOWN]: There is no way that this team will let him practice because there's too much at stake, too much at stake.
• 2:12:13
  [UNKNOWN]: I don't know man, if he's ready to come back and we need that depth, why would they hold them out for what reason?
• 2:12:20
  [UNKNOWN]: Because it's going to be of any value to him in the year after.
• 2:12:24
  [UNKNOWN]: No, no, this is why because if they activate him in training camp, they have to take up a roster spot for him.
• 2:12:33
  [UNKNOWN]: Like he will count against the 53, but if they put him on the reserve
• 2:12:44
  [UNKNOWN]: They do not count against the 53 man roster until week nine.
• 2:12:52
  [UNKNOWN]: That's what they're going to do.
• 2:12:54
  [UNKNOWN]: If he comes back and plays this year, it will be in week 10.
• 2:12:59
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I mean, yeah, I'm going to go ahead and tell you this.
• 2:13:04
  [UNKNOWN]: You want to bet we'll put money on it.
• 2:13:07
  [UNKNOWN]: That's the thing.
• 2:13:08
  [UNKNOWN]: It's just a good play before we tend to me.
• 2:13:12
  [UNKNOWN]: And that would be bad for him.
• 2:13:15
  [UNKNOWN]: If he played before we tend, it would be bad for him and the Carolina Panthers.
• 2:13:21
  [UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
• 2:13:22
  [UNKNOWN]: I mean, out to me, if he does come back cool, but to me, the more interesting question is what position does he come back at?
• 2:13:31
  [UNKNOWN]: Um, so another one from, um, another one from my guy, Joe person is there a place for everything.
• 2:13:39
  [UNKNOWN]: When the panter is drafted tendency, why don't encourage browser when the third round is here?
• 2:13:43
  [UNKNOWN]: some thought it spelled the end of the line for Xavier like that in Charlotte after all the get slipped a wide receiver three last year.
• 2:13:49
  [UNKNOWN]: Behind the row, I'm a milling of jail and co-worker, don't have to free agent who signed a three-year 34 million dollar extension last week.
• 2:13:58
  [UNKNOWN]: But teammates and coaches indicated the get and again, this is what I said about Canalist.
• 2:14:04
  [UNKNOWN]: teammates and coaches indicated the get might be figuring out some things after struggling
• 2:14:13
  [UNKNOWN]: his first two seasons and young now says is having next level conversations with like yet about routes playing concepts and conferences can now let's talk a minute from like yet to be the player the panthers hope he can be from the minute he's gotten here he's 100 miles an hour can now let's say he's putting in time in the playbook but then his butt on the field working on the little pills we get lost about eight pounds during
• 2:14:40
  [UNKNOWN]: and Martin to bullet proof his hamstring during a zoom last week, it sounded like a player who knows his running out of chances.
• 2:14:48
  [UNKNOWN]: This is a manure job is on the line, that's when you see the best of a person at some time.
• 2:14:53
  [UNKNOWN]: That's how we got Riverbowl Ron Rivera.
• 2:14:56
  [UNKNOWN]: So, we're just talking about this before, but I really hope XL can become the legitimate contributor to the offense this year,
• 2:15:10
  [UNKNOWN]: Yep.
• 2:15:11
  [UNKNOWN]: Yep.
• 2:15:13
  [UNKNOWN]: I got nothing to say.
• 2:15:14
  [UNKNOWN]: See again.
• 2:15:16
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
• 2:15:17
  [UNKNOWN]: I'm ready for it.
• 2:15:19
  [UNKNOWN]: I mean, like, I think this is I told you something caused fallacy is like, I'm you guys say it is like, I'm here with XL until it doesn't work.
• 2:15:31
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
• 2:15:31
  [UNKNOWN]: I mean, I think the XL thing right now again is just to we're going to have to wait and see.
• 2:15:36
  [UNKNOWN]: I mean, I hate to say it.
• 2:15:38
  [UNKNOWN]: I think he's about to get out played by a rookie third rounder.
• 2:15:44
  [UNKNOWN]: Maybe, maybe not.
• 2:15:45
  [UNKNOWN]: I mean, look, yes, his opportunity, right now.
• 2:15:48
  [UNKNOWN]: Sure, right?
• 2:15:49
  [UNKNOWN]: Sure, no, I want to, again, and I think we've all been very clear.
• 2:15:53
  [UNKNOWN]: I think we like Xavier LeGetz personality.
• 2:15:58
  [UNKNOWN]: We like his connection to the Carolinas.
• 2:16:01
  [UNKNOWN]: We think it's a net positive from the perspective
• 2:16:06
  [UNKNOWN]: He brings a multifaceted marketing approach to the team that is highly likable, right, just the his accent mixed with his background with how down to earthy is, he's out there doing hunting, and he connects to pretty much every party or Panthers base that you could ever ask him to connect to.
• 2:16:30
  [UNKNOWN]: And so we want him to work out.
• 2:16:34
  [UNKNOWN]: Um, and if this is a good sign and great, but right now, there's a lot of mouth to feed.
• 2:16:40
  [UNKNOWN]: My personal message to excel as this is, um, Steve Smith played like a player.
• 2:16:51
  [UNKNOWN]: That was bigger than he was.
• 2:16:54
  [UNKNOWN]: Right.
• 2:16:54
  [UNKNOWN]: Like I mean, he played.
• 2:16:58
  [UNKNOWN]: What I want you to exhale, go out there, game one, catch a ball and fucking match a DB and run 12 yards after.
• 2:17:09
  [UNKNOWN]: I mean, just put some country strength on that mug, throw him down and then we'll all be like, exhale's the greatest, let's go.
• 2:17:18
  [UNKNOWN]: I mean, just play to your size.
• 2:17:21
  [UNKNOWN]: Oh, man, you can do it.
• 2:17:23
  [UNKNOWN]: You can do it, you're gonna be all right.
• 2:17:27
  [UNKNOWN]: Man, I don't know if you're gonna be all right, but just go mash a mug go mash a mug Cody West next.
• 2:17:32
  [UNKNOWN]: Hopefully that's it because I have to ice a lot of the world up tonight.
• 2:17:39
  [UNKNOWN]: Oh, I want to see.
• 2:17:42
  [UNKNOWN]: So we have our, uh, uh, my, I'm going to tell you this is I'm, I'm a, I saw Mike K for putting out a 53 man roster on June 16th.
• 2:17:56
  [UNKNOWN]: I'll tell you what, I'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll, we'll listen to that.
• 2:18:00
  [UNKNOWN]: That is a way too early.
• 2:18:03
  [UNKNOWN]: 53 man roster.
• 2:18:04
  [UNKNOWN]: I didn't think that was the point of it though.
• 2:18:07
  [UNKNOWN]: Okay, all right, you're listening to the C3 Panthers podcast, the longest run in Panthers podcast.
• 2:18:13
  [UNKNOWN]: We're here every Tuesday night, rocking and rolling.
• 2:18:17
  [UNKNOWN]: Father's days coming up this weekend.
• 2:18:20
  [UNKNOWN]: So I am taking my son is going to college this year.
• 2:18:24
  [UNKNOWN]: So I'm taking my entire family and my mother and my sister, everybody, her family.
• 2:18:31
  [UNKNOWN]: I'm taking them on a small, it's not anything extravagant, but we're going on a family vacation.
• 2:18:38
  [UNKNOWN]: So I will not be here next Tuesday.
• 2:18:43
  [UNKNOWN]: So, I have a lot of ice-ups to get through, but I am happy to do it with y'all Cody.
• 2:18:51
  [UNKNOWN]: Can we, on the longest run in Panthers podcast, through the longest run in segment, where we tell some fools to ice up?
• 2:19:04
  [UNKNOWN]: Let's do it!
• 2:19:13
  [UNKNOWN]: I'm so sorry, I'm so sorry
• 2:19:16
  [UNKNOWN]: It's our homage to Steve Smith where we tell someone to ice up, tough enough to get it together.
• 2:19:22
  [UNKNOWN]: Everybody is fair game inside, outside the lines of football or family or friends.
• 2:19:28
  [UNKNOWN]: Even little kids, because I step up 15 year old kid in Oklahoma, want to chose not to be a Panthers fan.
• 2:19:38
  [UNKNOWN]: I have to start with this guys and I'm in weekend bounce back and forth, but I have to do this straight out the gate.
• 2:19:47
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, do you think?
• 2:19:49
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I do, I knew it, I knew it was gonna be next.
• 2:19:55
  [UNKNOWN]: Um, this is so fun.
• 2:19:57
  [UNKNOWN]: All right, so this happened in Brazil and um, I'm, I'm not even going to show the, well, I, all right, I'm well, I will, because the way these people throw this person off.
• 2:20:12
  [UNKNOWN]: So this bungee jumper in Brazil, I think it was Brazil.
• 2:20:18
  [UNKNOWN]: All right.
• 2:20:19
  [UNKNOWN]: So what happens is this is.
• 2:20:23
  [UNKNOWN]: this person and I'm pretty sure it was Brazil.
• 2:20:27
  [UNKNOWN]: Let me hold on.
• 2:20:28
  [UNKNOWN]: I can minimize this a little bit.
• 2:20:32
  [UNKNOWN]: 21 year old dies after workers.
• 2:20:34
  [UNKNOWN]: Yes, it was workers forget and Brazil.
• 2:20:41
  [UNKNOWN]: So, um, this, they threw this person off a bridge with no bungee cord.
• 2:20:47
  [UNKNOWN]: Yep.
• 2:20:48
  [UNKNOWN]: I mean, just threw this young, erin, it's beautiful.
• 2:20:52
  [UNKNOWN]: I mean, it doesn't matter.
• 2:20:53
  [UNKNOWN]: I mean, just a, a person is a beautiful person, a human being that these mugs and the only
• 2:21:11
  [UNKNOWN]: There's a million things that ice-ups at KM, but I'm icing this up is that in the first moments that this story came out, they kept saying, workers forgot to attach safety ropes.
• 2:21:34
  [UNKNOWN]: And I'm sorry.
• 2:21:35
  [UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
• 2:21:36
  [UNKNOWN]: I mean, the main fucking component of your job.
• 2:21:39
  [UNKNOWN]: Well, no, no, no, no, no.
• 2:21:40
  [UNKNOWN]: Yes, I mean, these people have been charged with.
• 2:21:43
  [UNKNOWN]: They've been charged with homicide, like a man's law, like, uh, yeah, that's all it's very much.
• 2:21:49
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, stuff like this.
• 2:21:51
  [UNKNOWN]: But the I guess maybe I should be happy that the internet didn't just go crazy It felt but like the news reports they called the bungee rope a safety rope And what I think is this is that when I read it I was like the safety rope Like I was like When you say safety rope it feels like there should be a second-dairy rope to the bungee cord
• 2:22:24
  [UNKNOWN]: They forgot like I made the the safety rope was the actual bungee cord, yeah, you know, it was not like, oh, we have a bungee cord and we have a failsafe cord, we call this safety rope so I'm icing up this is this.
• 2:22:44
  [UNKNOWN]: They forgot the attached a bungee cord, but that not forgot.
• 2:22:49
  [UNKNOWN]: I would argue that this is that, I don't know, I think forgot is too lenient, but I'm icing up safety rope.
• 2:22:59
  [UNKNOWN]: It's called a bungee cord.
• 2:23:02
  [UNKNOWN]: And now we need bungee cords with safety ropes.
• 2:23:10
  [UNKNOWN]: Go ahead, guys.
• 2:23:11
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
• 2:23:12
  [UNKNOWN]: I'm sorry.
• 2:23:13
  [UNKNOWN]: It's insane.
• 2:23:14
  [UNKNOWN]: I mean, it is.
• 2:23:16
  [UNKNOWN]: They just threw this person off a bridge.
• 2:23:18
  [UNKNOWN]: That's all they did.
• 2:23:20
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
• 2:23:20
  [UNKNOWN]: No, I, I think for me, the thing that's incredibly suspicious.
• 2:23:29
  [UNKNOWN]: I'm not going as far as saying that I think it's malicious, but let me ask you this.
• 2:23:35
  [UNKNOWN]: I watched that video.
• 2:23:40
  [UNKNOWN]: They're throwing her off of the bridge over their heads.
• 2:23:45
  [UNKNOWN]: Do you know what could have happened if that rope was attached to her?
• 2:23:50
  [UNKNOWN]: Like it wrap around their neck and they could have wrapped around their neck, their arm, their feet, whatever it could be, and then they get pulled off.
• 2:23:58
  [UNKNOWN]: So the reason that I'm saying that,
• 2:24:04
  [UNKNOWN]: that possible this was purely an accident, you would argue that they would have to have somebody who was their sole job is to make sure the rope is in a different spot than over top of the heads of them.
• 2:24:20
  [UNKNOWN]: They weren't worried about their own safety, even.
• 2:24:23
  [UNKNOWN]: And so that's where I have an issue with this video.
• 2:24:27
  [UNKNOWN]: It's to me, it just feels almost intentional just by looking at that.
• 2:24:36
  [UNKNOWN]: And the way that they look immediately down at the rope, and it, like, I don't know.
• 2:24:41
  [UNKNOWN]: It was like, I don't know, it was like, I guess, Wilder Sikke is that there, somebody supposedly took a body cam off the body, like when they hit the ground, um, you know, woman tended to
• 2:24:59
  [UNKNOWN]: Another thing that upset me about, too, is because we don't believe or not we.
• 2:25:06
  [UNKNOWN]: I, everything I look at in the internet, I'm like fake, fake, fake, fake, is that there were a bazillion comments that were like, this is AI.
• 2:25:16
  [UNKNOWN]: And people are like, no, literally, like we have fact check this.
• 2:25:21
  [UNKNOWN]: And they were a few people refused.
• 2:25:23
  [UNKNOWN]: It's the saddest.
• 2:25:26
  [UNKNOWN]: is terribly sad.
• 2:25:28
  [UNKNOWN]: That's all.
• 2:25:28
  [UNKNOWN]: I mean, it says such a sad story.
• 2:25:32
  [UNKNOWN]: That is not a safety rope.
• 2:25:33
  [UNKNOWN]: See, gay.
• 2:25:34
  [UNKNOWN]: No.
• 2:25:36
  [UNKNOWN]: No, I mean, it, that would be like, yes, I jumped out of an airplane.
• 2:25:40
  [UNKNOWN]: I pulled my parachute, but the safety parachute did not work.
• 2:25:46
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I mean, that's, again, it, the reason that I think the AI comes into play is because I think when you want to, you do feel
• 2:25:54
  [UNKNOWN]: as this cannot be this can't be real like you see it because it just is such an incredible amount of negligence and the one thing I was thinking you know I took comfort in at least initially was thinking well at least she never knew but from what the reports are as they found her alive
• 2:26:15
  [UNKNOWN]: not think these people that mark.
• 2:26:18
  [UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
• 2:26:19
  [UNKNOWN]: I'm just leaving it that.
• 2:26:20
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, just let it let it It's not a safety rope.
• 2:26:23
  [UNKNOWN]: There's not a safety rope folks.
• 2:26:26
  [UNKNOWN]: No, all right.
• 2:26:27
  [UNKNOWN]: Somebody else go because I have like some small fun ones.
• 2:26:31
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah Okay, I also have four Let me get my serious ones out of the way.
• 2:26:38
  [UNKNOWN]: I'm serious.
• 2:26:40
  [UNKNOWN]: I'm serious and too funny
• 2:26:42
  [UNKNOWN]: Um, so mine is going to be in, I might be stealing one from me.
• 2:26:46
  [UNKNOWN]: Go to, I don't know, so in June 9th, I don't know if you guys had heard, but the news had run with it, um, there was a in Chicago, there was a cross burning that took place.
• 2:26:59
  [UNKNOWN]: Um, oh, I saw something about this.
• 2:27:02
  [UNKNOWN]: And the initial reports had framed it as though it was a KKK white supremacist thing that was used to intimidate.
• 2:27:13
  [UNKNOWN]: And that was the initial reporting like that this is what this was this was a hate crime all of this and so I'm icing up the media again for jumping right to that instead of let any type of.
• 2:27:29
  [UNKNOWN]: Investigative reporting and integrity, whatever you want to call it, coming into play, it turns out it was a Chinese student and or I should say Asian, I don't know for a fact he was Chinese, but it was again supposedly.
• 2:27:51
  [UNKNOWN]: a political protest against Trump and the injustice, and it was against them, Magus supporters in Christian Nationalists.
• 2:28:01
  [UNKNOWN]: He claims no racist intent.
• 2:28:05
  [UNKNOWN]: He knew the simple history and says he targeted Magus specifically via the hat.
• 2:28:09
  [UNKNOWN]: He sent a video claiming responsibility and apologized for offense caused.
• 2:28:13
  [UNKNOWN]: So again,
• 2:28:16
  [UNKNOWN]: It can be one of two things.
• 2:28:17
  [UNKNOWN]: Number one, it was intended to create, you know, what it into creating or it was, you know, a very poorly done protest that was intended to offend the right wing, you know, version of the world, which is many leftists.
• 2:28:34
  [UNKNOWN]: There's a lot of people on the left side that are Christians who probably were equally as offended.
• 2:28:38
  [UNKNOWN]: and our media decided to just let's make it a race war.
• 2:28:42
  [UNKNOWN]: Once again, I think that we might be getting a bit fatigued by all of this because it's now becoming a lot, there's no shock involved when these moments happen.
• 2:28:57
  [UNKNOWN]: We all have started to say, I think at least the majority of us have started to question
• 2:29:08
  [UNKNOWN]: something that some a wild outland is claim is this true.
• 2:29:12
  [UNKNOWN]: Let's look at other sources.
• 2:29:14
  [UNKNOWN]: Let's look here.
• 2:29:14
  [UNKNOWN]: Let's find out if this is actually accurate.
• 2:29:17
  [UNKNOWN]: Instead of just taking one headline and running with it.
• 2:29:20
  [UNKNOWN]: Unfortunately, I still think there's a large portion of the country that do not have that ability to use critical thinking and realize that there's an agenda in most of these headlines.
• 2:29:35
  [UNKNOWN]: first thing that their initial interaction or reaction to something is to immediately try to turn it into something that is intended to create divisiveness among the nation.
• 2:29:45
  [UNKNOWN]: This has been one of our first year last.
• 2:29:47
  [UNKNOWN]: I said, this has been one of the biggest eye opening events for me is that
• 2:29:53
  [UNKNOWN]: the mainstream media, their job is literally to divide you by constantly putting out shit that makes you hate your fellow man.
• 2:30:02
  [UNKNOWN]: People do not hate the mainstream media enough.
• 2:30:06
  [UNKNOWN]: Tony, I'm not four.
• 2:30:07
  [UNKNOWN]: I'm going to bounce back and forth and know you have some more.
• 2:30:10
  [UNKNOWN]: Well, do a series when my mind is going to be quick.
• 2:30:12
  [UNKNOWN]: Like do your quick,
• 2:30:23
  [UNKNOWN]: I'm icing up to you on a Brown, a former Charlotte North Carolina City Council member, her and both of her daughters, Tiana Brown and Tannette Rouse, have completed the stealing over $124,000 in COVID relief money.
• 2:30:41
  [UNKNOWN]: They filed a list of 15 fake loan applications for businesses that did not exist, and
• 2:30:51
  [UNKNOWN]: I'm gonna use it all the time.
• 2:30:55
  [UNKNOWN]: This printed on Louis Vuitton bags of $15,000 birthday party.
• 2:31:01
  [UNKNOWN]: And to your one of Brown is a convicted felon.
• 2:31:04
  [UNKNOWN]: You're already served federal prison time for fraud.
• 2:31:09
  [UNKNOWN]: The years before Charlotte North Carolina voters put her on the city council.
• 2:31:15
  [UNKNOWN]: She is currently facing 20 years in prison.
• 2:31:19
  [UNKNOWN]: So, I mean, the fact that there's like, yeah, we can do this and completely do it at the expense of taxpayers and money that was supposed to go to COVID relief.
• 2:31:30
  [UNKNOWN]: Come on, man.
• 2:31:32
  [UNKNOWN]: I love song.
• 2:31:33
  [UNKNOWN]: Bye, so.
• 2:31:33
  [UNKNOWN]: All right.
• 2:31:35
  [UNKNOWN]: Um, let me say, hold on.
• 2:31:39
  [UNKNOWN]: I went wrong button.
• 2:31:41
  [UNKNOWN]: Share screen.
• 2:31:42
  [UNKNOWN]: All right.
• 2:31:47
  [UNKNOWN]: This is just fun to me, Drunk White did.
• 2:31:51
  [UNKNOWN]: Let me see if I make sure I have the volume up because... Oh!
• 2:32:03
  [UNKNOWN]: This Drunk White guys, Lincoln White's the whole video, which they slow it down.
• 2:32:09
  [UNKNOWN]: You don't want a message.
• 2:32:16
  [UNKNOWN]: You want some of this?
• 2:32:16
  [UNKNOWN]: You want some of that?
• 2:32:17
  [UNKNOWN]: No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no
• 2:32:27
  [UNKNOWN]: I, and, uh, yeah, I'll get my last one.
• 2:32:28
  [UNKNOWN]: Um, I have this other one, which I think I did.
• 2:32:29
  [UNKNOWN]: This one before, or maybe it says this, when, when they reveal she bought a new Chevy with a $20,000 down payment, and $100, $100, $100, $100, $100, $100, $100, $100, $100, $100, $100, $100, $100, $100, $100, $100, $100, $100, $100, $100, $100, $100, $100, $100, $100, $100, $100, $100, $100, $100, $100, $100, $100, $100, $100, $100, $100, $100, $100, $100, $100, $100, $100, $100, $100, $100, $100, $100, $100, $100, $100, $100, $100, $
• 2:32:49
  [UNKNOWN]: or basically $1200 monthly payments for $285.
• 2:32:53
  [UNKNOWN]: Sique, I don't believe this can be real.
• 2:32:58
  [UNKNOWN]: Like if he can put 20 grand down on it and I don't believe that, but this one, I will say this is this is my final ice up and my ice up goes to people that don't have a woman like this, this is my what my wife will do a real one right here.
• 2:33:23
  [UNKNOWN]: This happened at a hockey.
• 2:33:25
  [UNKNOWN]: I think this is a hockey game.
• 2:33:28
  [UNKNOWN]: This guy Slaps this guy slaps her husband, but what's this woman?
• 2:33:36
  [UNKNOWN]: She fucking is a beast And when she gets pulled back, it's by her husband.
• 2:33:43
  [UNKNOWN]: He's probably trying to protect her, but find yourself
• 2:33:48
  [UNKNOWN]: My ice up goes to this dickhead and talk.
• 2:33:52
  [UNKNOWN]: Everybody in the world that don't got a woman like this.
• 2:34:01
  [UNKNOWN]: What's this right here?
• 2:34:03
  [UNKNOWN]: What?
• 2:34:05
  [UNKNOWN]: Man, get your shit.
• 2:34:07
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, this makes you so fucking close.
• 2:34:12
  [UNKNOWN]: Find yourself a woman like that.
• 2:34:15
  [UNKNOWN]: That's the worst you want.
• 2:34:16
  [UNKNOWN]: That's my wife, right there.
• 2:34:19
  [UNKNOWN]: Oh my god, get that.
• 2:34:21
  [UNKNOWN]: All right.
• 2:34:21
  [UNKNOWN]: Those are my ice ups.
• 2:34:23
  [UNKNOWN]: Go to the finish.
• 2:34:26
  [UNKNOWN]: I've got another one.
• 2:34:28
  [UNKNOWN]: I'm icing up not only the dolphin trainer, but the amount of time it takes this woman.
• 2:34:37
  [UNKNOWN]: to push this dolphin off, like shun's having a real old time.
• 2:34:43
  [UNKNOWN]: Can you release this off?
• 2:34:45
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, ice her up.
• 2:34:48
  [UNKNOWN]: I wish to meet it after this.
• 2:34:51
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, the scene is the scene and the fact that that's the Okay, are very sexual I don't really like the fuck How she's holding him Yeah, yeah, so he's like robin and oh, yeah, she will never forget this moment But the rest of her boyfriend just her boyfriend just got cut Yeah, yeah, I'm like yeah, in front of everyone and a bunch of other dolphins
• 2:35:19
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, by the way, women's fantasy novels involving like human like animals like off the charts and in terms of book sales, and I think I can see what, so yeah, ISO, ISO Perp and the trainer.
• 2:35:37
  [UNKNOWN]: You want me to go again?
• 2:35:39
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I'm done.
• 2:35:42
  [UNKNOWN]: All right.
• 2:35:47
  [UNKNOWN]: Oh god, serious.
• 2:35:49
  [UNKNOWN]: I hate serious.
• 2:35:50
  [UNKNOWN]: I know, man.
• 2:35:52
  [UNKNOWN]: So three giant pictures were Bible verses on their pride nights cap during Friday's game.
• 2:35:59
  [UNKNOWN]: And the MLB sends issued a warning to them.
• 2:36:02
  [UNKNOWN]: Now just for context, these players didn't cover up the pride logo, they didn't write anything to mean about it.
• 2:36:11
  [UNKNOWN]: They simply had Bible verses on the caps and the other hypocrisy here to say that one of these things is okay.
• 2:36:22
  [UNKNOWN]: But the other one isn't, it's frankly fucking disgusting to me.
• 2:36:26
  [UNKNOWN]: Like, you're allowed to be open and supportive of one, but the other one, you get little warning for it.
• 2:36:34
  [UNKNOWN]: To me, this is the type of warning, you know, the type of thing that it pushes people in the wrong direction.
• 2:36:43
  [UNKNOWN]: I don't care who you love.
• 2:36:44
  [UNKNOWN]: I don't care what you decide to do with your own body.
• 2:36:47
  [UNKNOWN]: But when you do shit like this, it has the exact opposite of the intended effect that you think that it has.
• 2:36:57
  [UNKNOWN]: And it's both it, man.
• 2:36:58
  [UNKNOWN]: The MLB
• 2:36:59
  [UNKNOWN]: They've done this and also the NBA did this, but one of their players recently, who was talking about God, and it's like, it's very, very, very fucking hypocritical.
• 2:37:12
  [UNKNOWN]: So, um, to the MLB, I still have son because to me, that's the very definition of hypocrisy.
• 2:37:21
  [UNKNOWN]: And, um, Tony, this one's an homage to you.
• 2:37:24
  [UNKNOWN]: Oh, God.
• 2:37:27
  [UNKNOWN]: on, and all the reason that I found it.
• 2:37:30
  [UNKNOWN]: What I've also learned is that I just like people getting beat up.
• 2:37:35
  [UNKNOWN]: The, I've yet seen the Spurs fan that beat up New York.
• 2:37:40
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it was like fighting a whole mob of New Yorkers and he's oh man that guy is a fucking Awesome, he's awesome.
• 2:37:50
  [UNKNOWN]: So I don't the reason I had no about this is because you reposted it.
• 2:37:54
  [UNKNOWN]: So this is uh And if I could do it, it's something for me.
• 2:37:57
  [UNKNOWN]: Okay
• 2:38:00
  [UNKNOWN]: This man, where is the ice up?
• 2:38:04
  [UNKNOWN]: I don't find any ice in it.
• 2:38:06
  [UNKNOWN]: I feel a celebration right here.
• 2:38:08
  [UNKNOWN]: I'm asking the old man, I'm asking of the dude, filming the old man, taking a good look at him.
• 2:38:15
  [UNKNOWN]: I think he's better.
• 2:38:21
  [UNKNOWN]: Oh my god, really, I was like, live your life like this home is looking awesome, you know, Fender at the Mexico game and you live this life, a little tingle booty and you had the out this man in front of the whole fucking world come on there, I feel like this is like I got this guy has no shame
• 2:38:48
  [UNKNOWN]: he should not have any shame I'd be like that text that to your 88 year old friend come on you still got some luck breath and your long tell me
• 2:39:00
  [UNKNOWN]: I got no pro you're right where I set up this motherfucker that tried to make him look silly Hell yeah, he just look like a hero to me I think there's podcast brought to you by these three knuckleheads my name's Tony that's Cody Lacken that's CK
• 2:39:22
  [UNKNOWN]: Cody man will be well you'll be back here on Tuesday and I'll be back here in two Tuesdays take us out of here my friend.