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115: Sister Wives Look Back - Parts 1 & 2 · Reality TV Cringe

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Hello, and welcome to Reality TV Cringe. I am one of your hole
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Zelia and I'm here with my real tight homegirl and also my daughter in law.
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So don't try anything. Don't try anything. No, this is Beatrice.
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How you doing, honey? Hey y'all, Happy New Year, Happy
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New Year. We are actually recording this on New Year. We just finished
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the last look back, Yeah, and we were raging into the void as
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usual, screaming about this Cody Brown character. God, who does this fucker
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think he is? I have some questions. We'll definitely get to that,
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So, of course, before we get into the lookbacks, and by
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the way, let's just talk about how we're gonna do this this week,
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because there's been four episodes. We were gone last week because we took a
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week off and we really never do that. No, we were partying,
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certainly not together, no, Yeah, so we had stuff to do,
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Yeah, but there is so much catching up to do. So we were
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gonna do one episode and talk about it all. But then we're like,
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no, let's split it up between the lookbacks and the talkbacks yep, especially
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since there's no ninety day episode this week either, so it's like we just
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might as well do two episodes. Yeah, So we'll do all of the
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lookbacks in one and all of the talkbacks in another. Yeah, And so
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today we're going to do lookbacks yeap our next episode, which we'll release on
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Wednesday slash Thursday whatever. At some point we will talk about the talkbacks.
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Yeah, all right, just to keep everybody on the same page and know
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what's coming up for this week, and then we'll be back next week to
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cover Christine's wedding hopefully and also ninety Day Fiance. But let's talk about that
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because obviously I don't have like Hulu dv are, I don't have Utu dv
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are. I cut the cable a long time ago. I'm not paying one
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hundred and twenty dollars one hundred and forty dollars a month to Dish or anybody
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else so that I can have cable with all these channels I never watch,
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and so I was really happy for a bit of time. Yeah, but
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I could just get some apps stuff. I could get the Peacock Gap and
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the Discovery Plus apps and the Max all the stuff. Yes, but lo
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and behold, all of these episodes released and came out on Christmas Eve and
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then Christmas Day and then again this past weekend, and they're only available on
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Live TV. And TLC didn't post any of that, hasn't said anything,
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hasn't responded to any of the fans been commenting. I've been commentating up on
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the TLC Instagram for reality TV. Cringe, just getting up in that TLC
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ass and they're hiding your comments. They are, they're hiding our comments.
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It pisses me off because I guess somebody on Reddit contacted Discovery Plus and was
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like, bitch, where's our shows? And they said, these all these
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episodes are specials. They're part of like some bonus season or whatever, and
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they'll be available on streaming after they've already aired, which begs the question because
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now it's Monday, it's New Year's Day. The last look back released last
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night. They're still not available on Discovery Plus or Max, which means none
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of these episodes are probably going to be available until after Christine's wedding specials,
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which is a two parter, right. I think the second part of the
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two part for Christine is like the fourteen yeah of January and then they're going
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to air them. I'm like, what it feels like TLC made some kind
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of a mistake, but they're not fixing it because they don't care. No.
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I'm just so, why am I spending? And you just upped the
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price for Discovery Plus. Yeah, and I think Max also upped the price
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as well. A couple of months ago, So like, why am I
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spending this money to get you know, exclusive content and also no commercials when
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you don't even bother to air the content. And then last season, we
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were able to get The Sister Wives on Sunday maybe before nine pm or eight
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pm or whenever it airs in our time zone. Yeah, we're able to
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get it during the day, and they took that away too. So tell
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me, raccoons, why I should continue to have Discovery Plus or Max or
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anything. Like, what's the point of these streaming apps If we don't get
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any of the perks, you're going to raise the premiums, but then you
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remove all the perks. And they even fucked around with the one on ones
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when One on One Part four wasn't available right when it aired, it was
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available like the next day or whatever. So what the fuck? I'm just
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bad about it. Like with Peacock, Like you get all of the content
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from Bravo, which is why I have Peacock, also NBC and all that
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stuff, but they also have like specials like Ultimate Girls Trip, which you
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get early, and they create content for the app. That's the incentive for
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you to want to actually buy the app. And so Discovery Plus like,
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if you're creating extra bonus content like the talkbacks and the look backs are,
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why aren't you releasing them to your faithful customers first, right, not just
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to people who can happen upon it while they're on their cable live TV.
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I know who even has cable anymore. I mean, I know a lot
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of raccoons probably have cable, and that's how they were able to watch it.
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And some people were like, oh, sign up a fur Field or
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a little bit for a free trial of Filo and you can watch them.
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But I shouldn't have to do that. I shouldn't have to sign up for
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all of this other bullshit just to watch these specials. They should be available
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to me the subscriptions. I'm so mad. I've been having to watch like
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YouTube, like YouTube where they're like zooming in and like cutting things in and
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out. I'm like, oh God, let life be easier for a wrap.
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So, yeah, we got our hands on we actually episodes, but
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we got some. We got the episodes. We were able to watch them,
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but like, it would have been super awesome while we're like on vacation,
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drinking and parting if we could like pop in and watch YEP and rage
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with our cocktails, but we're not able to do that, and so we
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just want to address that. That really sucks TLC. Yeah, it just
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like it sucks Discovery. It sucks Max. I don't understand what your business
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decisions are, but I do not approve. No, not at all.
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Oh okay, now let's get into the look backs. We just watched the
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second one together, but let's start with the first look. We are not
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going to cover absolutely everything, because again, there was a lot behind the
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eight ball. So we've just pulled out some of the things that they were
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looking back and some of the commentary that seemed particularly interesting for us. But
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before we get into that, Beatrice, are there any takeaways for you?
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I thought that the lookbacks were interesting, although it felt like these were all
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filmed. I mean, it was obvious they were all filmed, like either
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right after season eighteen or maybe some of them were recycled from season seventeen.
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I'm not sure it would have been nice if they were all present day like
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the talkbacks. Like the talkbacks were interesting to me because it felt like it
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was current and it was their current reactions ish more current than what we get,
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not a whole year. Yeah, I really want to know when the
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talkbacks were filmed, and I also want to know when the look backs were
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filmed. Yeah, because it seems like Mary's wearing that kind of pinky purple
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top and I think that was the top she was wearing when she came back
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and commented on Christine outing her about having her ring melted down. And I
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think that was July twenty twenty two. See, so we liked it was
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the but was was the talk back filmed after that? Was it filmed a
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little while ago? Because they show Christine's town home and snow, but this
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past Christmas Thanksgiving, she's already married to David Wooley and they're living in their
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new house. So I'm like, what's going on. I don't know when
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anything is filmed. Yeah, I don't know anything. It just feels all
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cobbled together, all of these So it's a lot. But the look backs,
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albeit were kind of interesting them looking back at some of the moments in
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the season, like kind of like what we're doing with our rewinds. I
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do kind of like that they did that. I wish the one on ones
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were more structured like that, as opposed to us just watching a rerun of
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season eighteen in the one on ones, So some of it was interesting,
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but some of it was kind of redundant. Yes, absolutely redundant. My
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major takeaway is that my any suspicions that I had that Robin uses her white
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lady tears to get out of situations and or to insert herself into situations where
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absolutely confirmed when she gets up at the beginning of the second look Back Yeah
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and walks off. And she does. And she also can't watch the scene
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where Christine is announcing the breakup to the adults because she knows she's going to
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watch the scene specifically, and Christine is not going to say I don't want
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to spend time with you and your kids. Rather, Christine's going to say,
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I just need some space right now, and then she's going to I
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mean, I assume she knows people are going to want her to address that,
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so instead of taking responsibility, she walks out. It's really interesting to
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see because it's like there's some moments in these all of these specials where I'm
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like looking at Robin thinking maybe she's getting tired of it, or maybe she's
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kind of waking up to Cody's bullshit. I don't know. But then she
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does shit like that where it's like, you can't take accountability for how you
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took something way out of proportion and took it way too personally, so it's
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really bizarre, Like it would have spoke volumes if she watched those scenes back
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and was like, yeah, I totally read the situation because I was just
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all on my feet. I was spiraling. It was a lot. I
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was feeling the personal rejection of her walking away from the family, like I
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clearly misheard that would have been so bass totals, and I would have had
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a little bit a smidge of respect for her. But she too couldn't watch
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it, hope, because she can't take responsibility. And with the talk backs,
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which we will talk about again in another episode, like when I see
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them together on the couch like bandaging their narc injuries and taking care of their
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narcissistic selves and was it okay that I said that? And when she's crying,
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Yeah, when everybody else is laughing because Robin's crying, it's Cody who's
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like holding her. I know. I'm like, Wow, you guys are
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dolulululu totally. You are stuck in the cycle of your bullshit hellicodependent in those
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toxic cycle together. It's wild and so isolated in that dynamic that they can't
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see what the rest of the family can see and feel, and they can't
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see what the world actually sees, and so they believe their own bullshit.
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They're huffing their own farts. Oh for sure. Wild. So that was
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my takeaways that Robin, you're using your non tears very advantageously to get you
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out of slippery situations. All right, let's get into our overview of the
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look backs, starting with the first one, and one of the things that
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I wanted to begin with was them looking back at the marriages and kind of
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the dynamic when Robin entered the family. This is where we have Christine kind
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of saying, you know, that was the first time I kind of felt
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like that Cody had a soulmate connection with Robin. Like previously it felt equal
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for me with Mary and Janelle, we were all in the same level.
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But as soon as Robin came in, I could feel something has shifted.
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Yeah, which is interesting. Christine keeps saying that, though she says that
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about a lot of scenes, like, oh, this is the first time
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I realized our marriage wasn't good. Oh, this is the first time I
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realized he loved Robin. It's like, okay, we get it that you
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knew and you picked up onto it and everything. But she says that a
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lot she does. But it is interesting for them to look back at their
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marriages and see, like what we've all been seeing from the beginning of the
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series, that he did tend to he did love ye the other three,
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and he had a magical family with all of them. And then when Robin
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came into the picture, he's like, damn that breakdestin Pussy though is like
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hypnotizing, Yes, I had no idea I could love like this. Yeah,
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And then we get that scene where he's at a date night with Robin
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and he says to the camera that, yes, I love Robin, but
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that does not diminish my love for my other wives. I love them just
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as much. And there we have Mary say, well, were you lying
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then or are you lying now? And it seems to me that Mary just
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feels some kind of way and why wouldn't you. Of course, that he
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cannot admit at the age of fifty two or fifty three that he loved these
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women. Now, yes, there's a difference in the way that he felt
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that love and experienced it, of course, but that doesn't negate the fact
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that he loved these women. And you're invalidating Mary is saying, I'm speaking
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for you're invalidating my life. Yeah, when you tell me that you never
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loved me, you're invalidating our child, You're invalidating our experience, our home
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life, all of our children. Yeah, Like, you don't understand the
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ramifications of saying that. I wish you would just phrase it differently. I
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understand you fell out of love with me. I understand things change, but
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you loved me, Yes. And I think he's telling the truth when he
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says he isn't in love with the wives, because I think once he met
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Robin, he started falling out of love with all of them. He realized,
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oh shit, like this is the real connection, this is the real
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deal. But he was like what he was doing was putting on an act
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for a while after Robin came into the picture. And that's what all of
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the wives felt energetically when that happened. That's why Christine got jealous, That's
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why Mary got a little overbearing, maybe a little clingy, because she's like,
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shit, I'm the I was supposed to be the favorite wife. I
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was supposed to be the og and now you've got this new bitch that I
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helped bring into the family. What about me? So I think like Cody
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is kind of telling the truth when he says like I fell out of love
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with him and blah blah blah. But he's again, like you said,
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invalidating this twenty years prior to that, where he was actually in love.
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He's acting like that whole shit was a farce. This whole entire time can
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be true. That you love them and that you don't love them. Now,
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Yes, that's what happens when relationships fall apart, but you have to
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frame it in such a way. And Mary even says he's disclaiming his love
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for us to justify his current narrative. Yes, you have to frame it
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this way so that you don't have to take responsibility for your portion of what
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happened and how you destroyed relationships. Yes, he wants to blame everybody else
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because of course, like the shame that he would have to take on would
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be crazy, it would be so much. But like, grow up,
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dude, Yeah, you're Atlas right, you have the world on your shoulders.
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You have to fucking carry that responsibility. He just doesn't want to because
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that would be a lot. Yeah, and I have to wonder because it
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sounds and feels like they do watch the episodes back as they are happening.
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Yeah, so I have to wonder what Cody actually thinks of Janelle repeatedly having
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said like, Okay, cool, dude, you have a soulmate, but
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you still have these other wives, you still have these other children. And
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the tenet of our religion states that you've got to find a way to manage
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those other relationships so that there are no favorites and so that these families can
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stay together. That's your responsibility. And we kind of get to that when
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we get to the Sadona trip. Let me bounce around if that's a little
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fine, Who cares? The Sadona trip where they go with Nancy to for
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some marriage counseling, which sounds like a Dante and Lair of Hell sounds absolutely
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crackers, no thank you, And we see Cody not wanting to be in
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the center of the why the wackles, So to give some context, if
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you haven't watched, because I never saw that season, Yeah, I have
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any so I I didn't know what was going on, but the therapist asked
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the wives to kind of position themselves physically around how close they are to Cody
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right, yeah, to represent how they feel in their current marriages with them,
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And so like Robin's right next to Cody, Mary's right next to Robin,
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which is weird. Janelle's on the other side of Cody, and then
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Christine ends up being behind Cody, which is really sad and heartbreaking. And
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then I think they were supposed to get together of like what they envisioned their
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family to be. Like Christine and Janelle and probably Mary were like Cody be
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in the middle, and He's like, no, I don't want to do
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that because then my attention would be focused on one wife or I've got spikes
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coming into me and in wonder for you to have a relationship with that wife,
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you've got to go through me. But like then you get based Janelle
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saying, no, you should be at the center of the wheel. You
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are the thing that connects us all. Like she always puts that spiritual spin
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on where his mind should be. Yes, she always calls him out,
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and as shit does, and she called him out. Yes, I loved
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Janelle. Me too. I loved Mary, Oh, me too. Throughout
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all of this. I thought Mary was like so solid, Yes, and
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she wasn't rude where I thought maybe Christine was a little bit dramatic, little
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petty tinge of rude, but I get it. Yeah, but I thought
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Janelle was great. I thought Mary was great. Oh yeah. And you
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can tell Mary's been in some therapy, which I'm very happy about because she's
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just talking about all of the shit. She's like not getting overly emotional,
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Like even though it's very painful to have to watch all of this shit back
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and they talk about this and look back part two, but like Mary's really
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calling it out for what it is. Same thing with Janelle. Janelle's based
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as Janelle is over. I could care less if I never see this man
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again in my life. I'm over it. I do have to ask you
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before we move on from this flashback, what did you think of Robin saying
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that she would not have come into the family if she saw Cody having favorites.
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Look, I want to believe that Robin has those intentions and like didn't
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want Cody to have favorites and everything like that, But she ended up his
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favor Like she's looking at the family and saying, oh, he didn't have
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any favoritism. Yeah, he didn't yet until you came into the family,
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and then you let that happen. And I mean, I understand why she
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does let it happen because she's in love with him too. She wants this
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relationship with him. All of the wives want to be the object of Cody's
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affection. So that's a normal thing. But Robin, the way you went
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about it and then acted like you were a victim this whole entire time because
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the wives were mean to you. Well, her conscious is, her conscience
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is clean, Beadriz. I know my own intentions. I can go to
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heaven. I could meet my maker and I will feel just fine because I
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know what I did and didn't. You girl, come like, no,
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there's nowhere, there's nowhere for you to take responsibility none at all. There's
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no percentage that we might be able to ascribe to you, Queen Robin,
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which is crazy, It is really crazy. Absolutely, Having been divorced at
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least ten thousand times myself and having some you know, problematic relationships, I
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can take I can take all the responsibility. Yeah, well I have to
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because I left. Well, I mean, but I can take I can.
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I have to. You have to be an adult and she's forty five
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years old. Yeah, saying my conscience is clean. I did everything right.
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I never tried to wrong any of these women. I'm gonna go to
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God and feel good about it. I sleep great at night. Thanks.
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No, that's not how relationships work. That's not how friendships work. It
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takes two to fucking tango. You had your own fucking faults and all of
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these relationship You had your own faults with your friendships with these wives, Like,
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don't act like it was all them, all them, I just can't.
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I'm so conscious, really get so frustrated. Then we move on to
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the flashbacks around the wedding dress shopping girl, and Robin says, I did
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nothing wrong. We did nothing wrong. I picked the dress. Cody can
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say whatever he wants, but that was my dress. Both experiences were valid.
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The experience that I had with the ladies, I really did want to
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include them because I saw my mother be cast aside in her plural marriage and
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I would never want to do that to the oh geez. So I created
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and manufactured an experience which was not real because they had already chosen my dress
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because they went shopping with Cody. But I did nothing wrong, And I
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was talking about this with Ethel actually, and she called out Robin for this,
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for saying her mom talked to her about plural marriage and how to be
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a plural wife and blah blah blah. Robin never lived polygamy, no,
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like she never grew up in it, like, never lived it like Christine
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did, like Mary did. So she's full of fucking shit when she says
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that, like, yeah, you could have saw your mom be the least
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favorite wife and you didn't want that to happen. And I do think that
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if Cody didn't open his big fat mouth about the wedding dress thing, it
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could have been fine because the otherwise didn't necessarily have to know any of that.
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It would have abpected. I didn't want them to know exactly, And
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so I don't think that that was purely malicious for Robin to be like I
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didn't want them to know. She did. She was trying to kind of
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balance it all out, like real libra that she is, but Cody fucked
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it up, oh my gosh, and then still acts like it wasn't that
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big of a deal. Like, He's like, that was the happiest time
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of my life. And though there was still a lot of pain, so
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much pain. Well, and Christine was being irrational in the moment, and
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Janelle in current day, Year of Our Lord twenty twenty three says, yeah,
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that was a dick movement, was like you wasted our time. You
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know. Janelle is all about being practical. Yeah, she's like, you
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know, I got shipped to go to work, rag me down and take
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me wedding shopping, wedding dress shopping. If like this isn't a real experience,
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it's interested if it's real, but if it's not, I'm not into
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it, right, And that's how anybody would feel, and that's how Mary
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felt as well. Yep. But even to this day, they don't think
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they did anything wrong, which is wild, but I mean it's it's not
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surprising. Yeah. Then we get to the flashback where they moved to Vegas.
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They're making their adjustments. We have family prayer. There's an emphasis on
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how they huddle together and they work through their issues and they take them to
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God. And we see Cody with a lot of optimism and I would say
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spiritual innocence, like really depending and believing in God for their family. And
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then we also have a flashback of Robin and Cody announcing Solomon's conception. Yes,
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so there were some interesting things that came out of that. First and
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foremost Mary's like, yeah, we stopped praying a long time ago, which
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is really sad. Years ago. That's really sad. And we know from
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season eighteen it was revealed that they also stopped doing like their Friday night dinners
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and stuff with the family. So like, once they moved to Vegas and
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they became separate, they stopped doing all of the things that could bring them
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together. Right, So, yeah, of course it's like a recipe for
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fucking disaster. And this is when Janelle I'm bopping around to part two of
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the look back, when they have their little polygamist meeting and everything in Flagstaff
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and how Janelle says that I think all of our problems stemmed from when we
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moved to Vegas, and Robin takes that personally, right, Well, is
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it because of me? It's like weaddress the pink elephants back to me,
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Not because of you. It's because you guys separated and lived in all a
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bunch of different houses several blocks away from each other, and you guys didn't
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do anything to stay together. God, common sense. Enough about me,
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let's get back to me. Yeah, exactly. We also hear Robin saying
23:32
that she's done a lot of work over the years to get over the reaction
23:37
from some of the family when she announced Solomon being pregnant with Solomon. So
23:41
she means specifically Hunter, she probably means Leon because Leon had a big reaction.
23:47
Yeah, the teen Asspin. Yeah, the older kids because they're over
23:49
this shit. Yep. We have enough children. I remember when we couldn't
23:55
even have dinner and we were hungry. I remember the poverty in which we
23:57
lived, and now you're going to bring another child into the situation. I'm
24:00
not saying it's fair, Yeah, not saying it's right, But they're kids
24:03
and they're entitled to that opinion. Robin. And you've been stewing on this
24:07
shit for years, taking shit that a teenager set or did to you personally,
24:12
Like, grow the fuck up, first of all, and second of
24:15
all, I think it was Janelle that called this out. She's like,
24:18
well, our kids had to go through a lot of change in a short
24:19
amount of time, like, none of the og kids had to deal with
24:23
a new wife coming on, like this is the first time that the whole
24:27
family brought on a new wife like Otherwise it was just free, so they
24:32
didn't know any different. So they had that on top of moving to fucking
24:34
Vegas and two day with two days notice, leaving all of their friends and
24:37
family, and then having to be in separate houses for everything. So cut
24:41
the kids some slack. I don't understand how Robin can take what these teenagers
24:47
do personally. Well, her, her victimhood is her identity. But you
24:51
bring up a good point because in one of these specials they talk about how
24:56
it's unusual that a man will take on a another wife before he has children
25:00
with the first wife, and the fact that Cody took on all three of
25:04
his wives before there were any children, and so all the children really ever
25:08
did know was the family structure and the parents that they had. And so
25:14
of course Robin's going to come in with all her kills and it's going to
25:18
be an adjustment. And the fact that Robin still holds that grudge is petty
25:22
as hell. It's ridiculous. Honestly, as a grown US woman, grow
25:27
up ridiculous, all right. Next flashback, we see some scenes of Cody's
25:32
relationship with the og wives in the beginning. Then we have the IVF discussion
25:37
with Mary. We see Cody very plainly saying that he loves Mary for her
25:44
sense of adventure. They're showing them in Mexico and kind of the experiences that
25:48
they've had. We see Janelle and Cody out on a hike and then on
25:53
the couch they're both saying to each other, I love you more now than
25:57
I ever did before. We also see Christine and Cody doing paintball, doing
26:02
a helicopter ride. Now they do allude to the fact that they've had like
26:06
a hard year and some ups and downs, and then we get a cut
26:10
in from twenty twenty three of Cody saying, see, we had ups and
26:14
downs. It was a drag the entire time. I never loved her.
26:17
Oh it calmed down. He's compensating, yes, oh, one hundred percent.
26:22
Yeah. What I thought was super interesting when they get around to the
26:26
IVF conversation with Mary is when she's like, yeah, it's probably for the
26:33
best that we didn't have a child, because imagine if I had a child
26:37
right now, who is fifteen years old. How would Cody treat that child?
26:41
He wouldn't, he would ignore him when she knows it, she's essentially
26:45
saying the quiet part. Well, she's not saying the quiet part. She
26:48
should. What she's saying is, I see he's treating all these other kids,
26:52
And if I had a kid and he doesn't even speak to me,
26:56
I don't ever even see him, how would he be treating my kid right
27:00
now? Right? So, I mean I like that she had that self
27:03
realization. I thought it was sad when they looked back at that scene because
27:07
it was the scene like when they were in Vegas and Mary talks about how
27:11
at that point in time she was going to tell him she was ready to
27:12
do IVS right, and Cody just straight up out the gate was like,
27:17
yeah, I don't want to do that with you. I actually would hate
27:18
doing that, which is so sad because in like season one, when they're
27:22
going to Mexico, he's the one that's like, let's do iv IF and
27:26
Mary's like no, yeah, And then a couple of years later, when
27:29
she warms up to it because she would be the one going through it,
27:32
then he's like, nah, just kidding I've got Robin making babies with her.
27:36
It's all the very sad. Yeah. So we leave this first look
27:41
back talking about the catfishing. We see some scenes from the catfishing. We
27:48
see Cody saying currently that he's pissed about the affair that Mary had, so
27:53
he's still angry that she had the audacity to try and step out on him,
28:00
But he also says that she's never admitted that it was an affair because
28:03
she wants to be the victim. She has to be the victim, but
28:07
it was an affair. Then we see Mary saying it was not an affair,
28:11
I mean Mary, But then she kind of segues into but at the
28:15
same time, like Cody neglected me, Like we'd go to bed and he'd
28:21
actually sleep with his back to me, or he wouldn't even look at me.
28:23
So what she's saying is I spent a long time, and she said
28:27
this before as well, I spent a long time being neglected and emotionally abandoned
28:33
by Cody. Yep, and then I found myself in a situation that was
28:37
problematic. So tell me how you feel about this. Well, again,
28:42
I talked about this with Ethel and her and I had a huge discussion on
28:45
like whether or not it was wrong of her to do this whole catfishing thing,
28:48
and it's like, I don't obviously condone cheating in a marriage, and
28:52
I do kind of consider it a little bit of cheating. However, given
28:56
the situation, I totally understand why Mary would have done that. I totally
29:00
understand how she would have felt so abandoned and neglected by her husband who probably
29:04
wasn't fucking her for years, no, not being affectionate, not being loving,
29:08
totally neglecting her this entire time, making her feel absolutely worthless. Her
29:14
going online and talking to some rando hot guy and sending banana picks because she
29:18
just wants to feel special and feel love, of course. And for Cody
29:22
to react the way that he does still to this day, to be so
29:26
angry and betrayed by it because it damages his ego is just fascinating to me,
29:30
because I'm like, Wow, you really can't see that you were such
29:33
a shitty husband that your wife would turn to somebody else. Well, he
29:37
kind of does, because he's like, yeah, maybe she had a reason
29:40
to kick me out of the house. But then he goes right back to
29:42
his right back to his bullshit. But I'm just like, so, but
29:45
you understand that there was a reason she asked you not to come back.
29:49
But when she asked him not to come back or not come to the house
29:52
or don't sleep over, I think she was in her full blown catfish encounter.
29:56
Oh okay, So I just I feel like, Mary, you had
30:03
an emotional affair. Honey. Yeah it was with a woman, And yeah,
30:07
that's incredibly embarrassing even now, you know, eight years later. But
30:12
just admit that if Sam were real, a real gentleman who was a businessman
30:18
and handsome as hell, you would have been out the door. Because I
30:19
remember when you all were in Alaska, you were trying to prep the family
30:25
for your departure. You're like, I don't even know if I'm gonna stay.
30:26
You guys really can't count on me to be here. And He's like,
30:30
what the fuck is going on? Although Robin knows, Yeah, and
30:32
Cody knows because Robin's got her homegirl Kendra feeding her information. But if you
30:37
can just admit Mary, that you were willing to leave the family and that
30:41
you had an emotional affair. You were deceived, but it was an affair.
30:44
I think it would go a long way with a lot of us agreed,
30:47
but not Cody Brown, because he'll never get over it. No,
30:48
he won't at all. I do agree with that. There seems to be
30:52
a lot of that in this family of these people, like not willing to
30:55
be honest with themselves right for their own behavior to get interesting right up to
30:59
the line of honesty and transparency, and then they would bring back like Homer
31:03
Simpson back into the hedges. Yeah, all right, moving on to the
31:07
look back number two, How it's going. We start here with the commitment
31:12
ceremony, and actually the last look back we kind of ended with the commitment
31:17
Sarah cliff Right, So we're watching the commitment ceremony from when they're in the
31:21
cold des sack, and we start with Robin beginning to watch this clip and
31:26
then she is so overcome with emotion that she starts to have a panic attack.
31:32
She's like, I cannot watch them, such a fucking cop out,
31:38
Like you're just doing that just to not react to the actual scene, because
31:42
they do. She leaves and then she doesn't even have a comment about it.
31:45
She just says, it's too warm, it's time to watch it.
31:48
She just moves on to the next thing. Then we hear from Christine and
31:52
she's like, that was a really good day. And I realize I'm not
31:56
in the family anymore. I realized that shit was hard when I was there,
31:59
but like there were good times, there were good days, and that
32:02
was a good day. Yeah. We also have Mary saying I'm just mad
32:06
because we had it all yep, and we didn't honor our commitments. We
32:10
failed right, We wouldn't fucking work on anything, and we didn't honor our
32:16
commitments, our spirituality or nothing, our family mission statement. It was all
32:22
a lie, basically, is how she's feeling, right, And I felt
32:24
that because watching that back, it's kind of like watching the John and Nate
32:28
plus Kate marriage vow renewal thing or whatever. It's like that was all of
32:32
farce, just for TV. I wonder if TLC put them up to something
32:37
like this. Maybe they probably funded it, but it feels to me,
32:39
especially as they're watching it back, like that that had a lot of meaning
32:43
for them. Yeah, And it's just it is really sad that the entire
32:47
family is currently fractured. Even though I guess he's talking to Garrison. We'll
32:52
get to that kind of like, what that's a shock? Yeah. After
32:54
this, we get a flashback of the whole legal divorce situation, and of
33:00
course, at some point Mary makes the decision she sacrifices her legal interests,
33:07
her financial, her monetary, and her love interests so that Robin can become
33:14
Cody's legal wife and Cody can adopt his kids. And so we watched that
33:17
all play out in the flashback, only to have Cody then say that Mary
33:24
didn't want to give up the marriage because she was on some kind of power
33:28
trip. Yeah, she held on to that position of the first marriage.
33:31
It's like, oh my god, dude, how disconnected can you be for
33:35
reality right now without needing to be committed to a mental institution? I swear
33:39
to god, so fucking delusional. I'm like, how can you look at
33:44
the playback of that and hearing what Mary is saying that I'm doing this for
33:50
the family, I'm doing this for the children, and come away with that
33:53
talking about Mary being on a power trip, especially when we see other clips
33:58
of you during the talk back and even the season and where you're referring to
34:00
Mary as a friend, like you're trying to create something new with Mary so
34:04
that you can have a friendship. But you you're gonna say that was a
34:07
power trip, like that is so fucked up. And then he's like yeah,
34:09
and then after the divorce she started doing that catfishing. Yeah, because
34:14
after the legal divorce, you stopped going over to her fucking cash shit.
34:17
Yep, that's all it was. Like you only used her when you needed
34:21
her to do shit for you, like you telling her on your guys's flag
34:25
Staff anniversary, Oh we have hope and cheers to new beginnings. And then
34:30
she sells her house and gives the proceeds to Robin and then after that you're
34:32
like, we're done. So that's all it was for him, And then
34:37
he wonders why she catfished. She got catfished, right, God forbid?
34:40
Yeah, because if he did that to her and Flagstaff, if he gave
34:45
her false hope and took her money, I can absolutely see the run up
34:49
to the legal divorce him blowing sunshine up her ass so she would say yes
34:52
to it. Then he gets what he wants and then he dumps her.
34:57
Not actually, he just stops any shread that he gave her of love and
35:01
affection gone, Yeah, which is wild to me, Now, do you
35:06
think Robin actually put her up to the legal divorce, because it seemed like
35:09
in that scene she was genuinely sad for Mary. Oh, I think it's
35:14
all just orchestrated, manipulated event. I think that again, two things can
35:22
be true at the same time. I think Robin has the capacity to feel
35:25
gratitude that Mary is sacrificing in this way, but at the same time,
35:30
she's just got her fucking eye on the prize legal wife financial interest. Yeah,
35:34
my kids first, my time first. So I just I feel like
35:38
that's always happening all the time with Robin. Totally Okay. Next flashback,
35:45
we talk about the conversation ground rules. This is where they all go out.
35:50
This is during COVID so they're all socially distancing outside on coyote paths.
35:53
So, dumb get a vaccine. I'm no concerned about it, Cody,
35:58
why aren't you vaccine? Whatever? So they're sitting there and this is where
36:01
Cody makes the statement that essentially he feels like his entire family is an obstacle
36:07
to his goals and to his happiness. And I guess this is one of
36:14
the moments of clarity for everybody that Cody's fucking gone. Yeah, he doesn't
36:19
give a shit. He's no longer going to be at Lias. He's not
36:22
going to be carrying this. Y'all hate each other. You don't want one
36:24
house. I don't want to deal with you any more, which is crazy
36:29
to me. I just I don't understand how you can't, like you don't
36:32
have the desire to want to bring your family back together. You're just looking
36:37
at the conflict and thinking, oh, well, they want me to fix
36:40
it. I can't fix it, so fuck them all. I don't want
36:44
to fix it. I don't want to fix it at all. I don't
36:45
want to have to do my spiritual duty that Janelle keeps bringing up, which
36:49
would require me to put effort, time, love, and energy into these
36:52
other households. I'm not into it. I don't want to do it,
36:54
so fuck you. And he uses terms like values we don't share this same
37:00
values, which Janelle calls out and says, yeah, that's just code four.
37:04
You don't share the values that I have with Robin about COVID, about
37:07
family, about everything else. He's diluted, he has deluded Mariuss. Yeah,
37:13
he's already checked out, like by the time we're having this conversation together.
37:16
Even though it seems like a moment of clarity for Janelle and for Christine,
37:21
I can see that he's gone, which is really sad. I mean,
37:23
I think he checked out long before COVID. I just think once COVID
37:27
hit and he was spending all of his time with Robin, he was just
37:30
like, Wow, why do I even bother with like trying to make those
37:32
kids are already older, you know, the other ones are going to be
37:37
older. So I'm just going to stay here and enjoy my life doing what
37:42
I want to do. And you know, this happens. Happened with a
37:45
lot of families during COVID, Like a lot of families had issues with each
37:47
other because once they became so distant because of all the lockdowns and all of
37:52
that stuff in quarantines, Like people realize, oh shit, like I don't
37:55
even want to have a relationship with my family. So that's what we're seeing
37:59
in real time with the Browns, Like Cody's just like, fuck, y'all,
38:02
right, I don't want to be around y'all. I'm happy with Robin
38:06
and my surrogate kids, you know, to make my family happy. And
38:08
another thing that was happening during that time was just like the political lines that
38:15
were being drawn in families, like I don't even you're dead to me if
38:19
you voted for that guy, or I don't want to go to Thanksgiving ever
38:22
again if you voted for this guy, and like so there was so much
38:25
dissension polarization. So I kind of wonder what was happening in the family around
38:31
that, because I think we have a bit of a spectrum politically and socially,
38:37
and so Cody seems very I don't know red state to me a little
38:43
bit, but I've been seeing on Reddit, like some people are calling Robin
38:46
out for like being into Wika stuff and like which stuff. Bitch, No,
38:51
seriously, I don't know. It's Reddit at whist. I'm not going
38:53
to give it any credence, but yeah, people are saying, like,
38:55
from some of the shit that she has in her house, all the Hordor
38:59
stuff, all the crystals and shit, that she might be dabbling into alternative
39:04
sirtuality. Yeah, which would be interesting because Cody's like abandoning his plural marriage
39:08
faith and possibly his fundamentalist Mormon faith. I don't know when he went on
39:15
that Mormonism live thing. He was talking about his faith a lot and how
39:17
he was like not wanting to be a part of this Mormonism stuff anymore.
39:25
I cannot see it. I'm for Robin, and when I tell you,
39:30
just trust me. I'm acquainted with the wo woo of it all and the
39:34
woo woo community. Like, I just don't see that in her at all,
39:37
other than her amethyst wings. But they're in Arizona. You've got that
39:43
gem show down in two see, and there's a lot of metaphysical new aghit,
39:46
But I just can't see that. I'm just saying, what if that's
39:51
done? That would be crazy? So left field? I mean, Okay,
39:54
in the next flashback, we get the Cody and Mary breakup. But
40:00
I don't know why they're calling it a breakup because this was the I want
40:04
to say, this was the twenty twenty one anniversary. So okay, God,
40:08
so is the flag Staff one flag Staff was in twenty nineteen where he's
40:13
like, here's to new beginnings. That's right, let me let me get
40:15
your money ba it. So then this is the breakbe No, because that
40:19
didn't happen until twenty twenty two. I thought it happened in twenty twenty one.
40:22
No, no, okay, I don't know. I can't keep any
40:24
of the street. Maybe it's twenty twenty one, Honey, I don't know.
40:28
I'm in a fugue state at this point with all of the information going
40:31
on. Maybe it was twenty twenty one, but I don't think it was
40:34
the last anniversary where he tells her, in no uncertain terms, bitch,
40:38
get out of my life. Yeah, it was the one before that or
40:42
the one before that where he takes a round on some dumb drive. And
40:45
this is where Mary's like, yeah, I didn't I didn't really know what
40:50
was happening, because on the one hand, he's like, you know,
40:53
you're not courting me, Mary, and then right after that he's like,
40:58
and I'm not coming. Do you want me to court you? Is there
41:01
something I can do to incentivize you to come? Yeah, Papa, you
41:08
put it that way. So she's just talking about being confused in that moment
41:14
when they apparently break up, which is like kind of hard for me because
41:17
I feel like Mary says that a lot. Like granted, Cody is kind
41:21
of confusing because he does change up his stories a lot, and he says
41:24
a bunch of bullshit, and he is a narc and a manipulator. But
41:29
I wish like Mary would take a little bit of ownership for herself and just
41:31
be like, yeah, I was really holding on to something that wasn't there.
41:35
I was just in denial at this point in time because this is my
41:37
husband of thirty two years, and I didn't want to give up on anything,
41:42
absolutely, and that's totally fair and valid, but like Mary just always
41:45
uses that excuse like, well, it's confusing. I don't know, he's
41:50
taking out both sides of his mouth. He's like, he told me he
41:52
didn't want anything to do with me, but then, you know, I
41:54
don't know, it sounded like he wanted something to do. Yeah. But
41:58
then when we're like doing the tokalk back, I think it's that scene,
42:01
or maybe it was the look back, Honey, I don't even remember,
42:04
well wherever. When Jen is joining her, they're out at Coyote Pass and
42:08
Cody's like, okay, so we're broken up, but do you want to
42:10
go walk the property? And then Janelle's something. Janelle says something like watch
42:15
him closely, yeah, because he's looking for an angle to get more real
42:21
estate. Which is just a term she's using. But she's right. He
42:23
wants the real estate or to get more purchase from Mary. So he's saying,
42:27
we're broken up, but at the same time, hey, let's continue
42:29
to look at all the ways in which our lives can intersect. And that's
42:32
when Jen calls him out. She's so, no, wonder you were confused
42:36
for ten for ten years? Yeah, so I can totally see him giving
42:39
her mixed signals. Yes. And so then when they go to Cody to
42:43
talk about the breakup, all he does is say, well, all Mary
42:46
wants to do is blame me. My god, she only blames me.
42:50
It always comes down to blame because he thinks that any type of criticism for
42:54
him is blame rather than an opportunity for him to grow and be a better
42:59
human being. Right now, you're just going to be a crotchety old man
43:01
with a small, fucking, shriveled up dick bald ass hair, and you're
43:06
gonna be miserable for the rest of your life, Judgy. What I'm just
43:08
saying, So, Judgey, it's true, But like there was that one
43:12
moment when he's bending down to get the iPad or something and his hair was
43:17
falling in such a way so as to reveal at least three very significant bald
43:23
sections of his head. And I'm like, dude, I don't think you
43:27
want to do that. I think you should sit up and like arrange your
43:30
curls. Really, because you're a hella hella ball hella. Would you just
43:34
shave? Could you just you can't capitulate to any if it seems like it
43:37
could even hint at a little bit of weakness, to a lack of virility,
43:42
You can't do it. No, shave your fucking head, be it,
43:44
David Wooley. No, he loves his head. He loves his hair.
43:46
I mean, honey, he's wild. And then they have that flashback
43:52
too. I didn't really write out a whole lot for it, but when
43:54
the women are talking about how when Cody dies, oh yeah, they'll have
44:00
a girl party and you'll actually maybe be closer and able to be friends when
44:05
he's not in the middle of it fucking everything up right and on the couch,
44:08
she's like, fuck you, fuck you bitches. I gotta die in
44:12
order for you guys to get along. I gotta be dead, and like,
44:15
yes, it's exactly what we're saying to you, Cody, you fuck
44:19
everything up. I mean you do with your favoritism and your bullshit. And
44:22
it's like, what do you want, Cody? Do you want these wives
44:24
to be BFFs or do you want them to be loyal to you only and
44:28
to not like you? Like? He goes back and forth with that,
44:30
he's blaming Christine for being a shit sister wife when she's literally saying like,
44:36
no, we can have a good relationship without you in the mix. Yeah,
44:39
that's the whole point, right, It's just like, yes, it's
44:43
insanity. Wait. Next flashback is Cody and Christine in the Mormon conference room
44:50
at the Big Mormon table breaking up officially. Yeah. And this was interesting
44:54
to me, And the reason I included this was because Cody was actually saying,
45:00
like, it hasn't been all bad when we were in Lehigh. It
45:02
was a magical, wonderful time, Okay. And it's Christine who's like,
45:06
Cody, yeah, it's been bad for a very long time. Yeah,
45:09
And she's like, why do you want to hang on to it? And
45:13
she's like, do you want to be married to me? And Cody doesn't
45:15
answer because he's afraid of being weak and vulnerable and saying yes, I do.
45:20
Instead, he's like, well, do you want to be married to
45:22
me? And she's like, no, no, I don't. And then
45:23
he says I'm good with that. And then on the couch he's like,
45:27
well, in polygamy and in our church, the men are not allowed to
45:30
give up because if we want to give up on a marriage or we don't
45:34
like a wife, we go to our spiritual elders and they tell us to
45:37
work it out. So it's like and then he says, which means I'm
45:40
the prisoner here on abroad. What the fuck? Oh. Cody also says
45:47
that he was grateful that Christine could be brave and out of the two of
45:52
them, she's the one who ended it. And then we have Christine just
45:57
gushing endlessly. She's like, that was the best fucking day of my life.
46:00
I took back my power, yeah, and myself words yeah. And
46:05
I took back my life. And we love that for you, Christine,
46:08
and we get it, we understand. And then the flashbag I knee of
46:14
Christine announcing to the rest of the adults in this relationship that she's piecing the
46:19
fuck out the knife in the kidneys and here again, Robin refuses to watch
46:24
the clip, and at the top of this episode with y'all, I said,
46:28
the reason she does not want to sit and watch this clip is because
46:31
she is going to see what she's already seen and she knows. Yeah that
46:36
Christine never said she did not want a relationship with Robin's kids or with Robin
46:40
for that matter. She just said she needed space. She just said I
46:44
need space. But Robin gets up and she's gonna have another panic attack,
46:47
and she doesn't watch the clip so that she doesn't have to take responsibility,
46:53
which is weak fucking sauce Robin. Yep, and I really hate how the
46:58
network just allowed that to happen, like, Okay, yeah, well,
47:00
well we won't make you answer the hard questions, even though that's what all
47:04
of the fans want to Yes, God, for me, you could have
47:08
said, okay, don't watch it, but can we at least address the
47:12
part where Christine never said that shit though, yep, that's it, I
47:15
mean, but no, we can't hold anybody anybody's feet to the fire.
47:19
We have a somewhat candid confession from Mary here where she's like, you know,
47:24
now I feel okay to talk about this I didn't at the time,
47:28
but she actually validated what you and I have been saying for a long time.
47:31
She's like, I was in the middle. I'm not on Janelle and
47:35
Christine's team. I don't have a friendship with those ladies like they have with
47:38
each other. And I'm also not on Cody and Robin's team either, but
47:44
I want to be married to Cody in this moment, and so I feel
47:47
like I have to show my allegiance to Cody. Yes, he's like I
47:52
felt so in the middle in that moment. So what did you think about
47:54
that revelation? I thought that was based and I mean you can tell it
47:58
on Mary's face, like, yes, she kind of had a stank ass
48:00
face, you know, during that scene and everything, and she looked very
48:05
pissed, but she was also feeling a lot. And she even says on
48:07
the couch when she reacts to it that, you know, I didn't agree
48:09
with everything that Christine did, but I definitely don't agree with how Cody handled
48:15
everything and what he did. So I'm glad that she was able to take
48:17
ownership for that and kind of explain herself because we had kind of been theorizing
48:22
like come on Mary, You're not gonna say anything. You're just gonna be
48:24
fucking sitting there and just be a bitch the whole time. But I get
48:29
it though, like now that she says it. And this is where Robin,
48:30
if you could have reacted authentically to these scenes, maybe we could have
48:35
understood you. Like you and Cody in the talkbacks are talking about how nobody
48:39
knows you and nobody gets you. It's like, well, yeah, because
48:43
you're showing us that you're kind of a bitch and you and you don't tell
48:47
the truth exactly house to us so that we can see your wick and craft,
48:51
and you're not honest, right, So if you would have been honest,
48:54
maybe more people could have respected you. Nobody's gonna respect Cody because nobody
48:58
fucking likes him. He's not RePEc got to bull. Yes. But the
49:01
best part to me, honey, was when Janelle said, yeah, this
49:05
is what Cody does. Though, Like anytime Robin perceives that she's being slighted
49:10
in any way, which by the way is twenty four to seven all the
49:13
time, three hundred and sixty five days a year, money, anytime she
49:16
thinks she's being slighted, he gets upset and he jumps up to defend her.
49:22
And so the reason his reaction was as big and as crazy as it
49:25
was was because he thought that Robin was hurt by what Christine was saying,
49:30
which is crazy, like how he is so codependent on Robin and just wants
49:35
to rescue her all the time because he is in love with her. He
49:37
is genuinely in love with her. He's going to defend her tooth and nail,
49:40
even if the situation is wrong. And I did like how Janelle called
49:45
him out for being a dickhead for saying the sacrifice that I made to love
49:47
you. She's like, I would have decked his ass. Yeah, yes,
49:51
thank you, thank you. I'm not the only one wanting to pull
49:52
out the nun chick and the brass knuckles. Somebody worked this guy over.
49:58
Then we get to the Janee and Cody fight, and now it's Cody's turn
50:01
to not be accountable and watch himself back for the ass that he absolutely is,
50:07
and so he's like, I'm not gonna watch that. He starts giving
50:09
his producer some shit, which is pretty interesting because he said that this is
50:14
his breakup with Janelle is as painful as it was with him and Christine.
50:17
I'm like, Okay, that's interesting for you to say that these are painful,
50:21
which means that you did love these women, right or you felt that
50:24
you lost something when they left, But you're saying you didn't love them,
50:28
so why would it be painful? Well, I mean he was doing some
50:30
words salad weirdness when he was saying something like, you know, I'm just
50:35
coming to terms right now with the fact that my relationship with Janelle wasn't working
50:39
or wasn't what I thought it was, and we weren't good together. Yeah,
50:43
Like I'm which, let me, let me decode that for you.
50:45
I'm just trying to figure out how I can in a realistic way spin this.
50:50
So it's all entirely Janelle's fault. And plus I never loved her anyway,
50:53
so like, I'm still trying to work that out. Thank you.
50:55
Yeah, well, that's why he says Janelle wasn't loyal. That's literally all
50:59
he has even though we all see it for what it is, she's been
51:02
one of the most loyal, like so one hundred percent loyal. You're just
51:06
full of shit. You can't call her out on anything because Janelle has been
51:09
a good wife to you and a semi good sister wife. I mean,
51:14
even throughout these various and sundry specials. Janelle's like Mary is the loyalist of
51:19
them all. She keeps her word. She's very honor bound, like she's
51:22
no matter what her relationship is with Mary or anybody else, she's very very
51:27
fair, and she's a truth teller. And she can sit there and she
51:30
can watch that fight back and she can comment on it. But he can't
51:34
because he's he knows he's a piece of shit. This is the section where
51:37
we learn from Janelle that the conversation never happened between Cody and Gabe and Garrison,
51:45
because they're supposed to be a conversation in order to clear the air and
51:49
then we can get everything back on track. Well, that hasn't happened,
51:52
although Garrison apparently does have some kind of a relationship with him, But again,
51:58
when was this filmed, With this filmed in July, who knows where
52:00
they stand right now. Well, and it's probably only a relationship because Garrison
52:05
is the only one initiating it. It's probably not Cody doing any kind of
52:08
work at all, and a relationship with Garrison, it's probably Garrison being a
52:13
kid wanting to talk with his dad and trying to make these efforts kind of
52:16
like with Michelt, like ignoring all of the shitty things that their dad has
52:21
done because they crave the love and attention from their dad because their children.
52:25
So it's he doesn't deserve it. I know. In the talk backs,
52:30
which we are going to get to, he's like, I'm very engaged with
52:34
my children. I mean, especially if they engage with me. I mean,
52:37
he's just what I can't imagine even being a full blown adult like Logan
52:43
and watching this back and just being like, who, who the fuck are
52:45
you is this person? Yeah, we have Robin asking the rest of the
52:49
family who are you people? But truly, who is Cody? I mean,
52:52
really, where are you? You're lost in the cosmos? Yes,
52:54
in your quest for fame. Like he got lost in all of this shit
52:59
because he had such a big ego when they started this whole show and he
53:02
started making money off of it, and then he had this beautiful new wife,
53:06
Robin that all he wanted to do is spend his time with. Like
53:08
he totally lost himself in his ego and all of his bullshit. It's really
53:13
sad to see because now you've destroyed all of your relationships with everybody. Yes,
53:17
and you can kind of see that. To an extent, Mary still
53:22
cares about him because I think in the talk back she actually tells Jen like
53:27
I'm worried about him. Yeah, like I don't know who this person is,
53:30
but like he is getting some major backlash from the world, and how
53:36
does he deal with this? How does a narcissist deal with a constant stream
53:39
of negative feedback other than hide from it, which obviously this is what they're
53:43
doing. They're isolating and hiding from it. But he can't escape it.
53:45
Nope, that's why he won't watch it, and neither will Robin. It's
53:50
interesting to me that out of everybody, those are the two that won't watch
53:53
some clips yep, because it's too hard. We end this look back back
53:59
on Coyote Pass, you know, in the final Goodbye, and we have
54:04
Mary saying that she just wishes that Cody would admit that he loved her and
54:07
the other wives, because again this invalidates her entire life and experience. Then
54:13
we bop on over to Cody, who says she beat the love out of
54:16
me in that first year of marriage. He said he had to get other
54:22
wives because he knew he didn't want to be married to to dilute the marriage.
54:25
Yeah, with Mary, which is crazy because he didn't marry Janelle until
54:30
three years after right he was with Mary. So was it the first year
54:34
marriage or was it the first three? Like I thought, you guys had
54:37
a good relationship. Go and we talk about what happened. Because also after
54:40
the Catfish when they're in therapy, Cody alludes to the fact that she broke
54:46
his trust from way before. Uh huh, like she did something to him.
54:51
They don't say what it is, but it sounds like something happened.
54:53
But at the same time, I'm like, you guys blow so much fucking
54:57
smoke. I have no idea what the fuck you're talking about about it any
55:00
time anyway, I know. But for him to say that as we're concluding,
55:04
and as Mary all, Mary says, I just wish he'd admitted that
55:07
he loves me and that he loved me. You know, it's okay that
55:09
you fell out of love with me, but don't change the entire story.
55:14
And he still can't give her that Nope, And all the wives are asking
55:16
for that. Really, I mean, even Janelle and Christine say the same
55:20
shit, like why don't you just admit that you loved us? Because we
55:22
felt like you loved me, loved us so like Janelle doesn't even need it.
55:27
She's like, I don't care he loved she don't. I mean,
55:29
duh, Yeah, he's an idiot, yea. Cody leaves this by saying
55:32
there were no victims, and I'm like, I beg your pardon. What
55:36
about all of your children and the wives too, I mean, and the
55:39
women who now, like fucking Janelle who has nothing ye that are walking away
55:45
with nothing or so little. And then we get the final scene with Robin
55:51
who's like, we fucked up. This was bab We screwed up. Yep.
55:54
We let fear drive us, we let anger drive us, We held
55:59
on to grudge it is. We ruined this beautiful thing. We screwed up.
56:02
And I'm like, thank you, Yes, I did like that,
56:07
and I do believe that from Robin. I do think she's right in that.
56:09
And I liked the editing because when she talks about like we let selfishness
56:14
get to us, the producers paned on to Cody, when we let jealousy
56:17
get to us, she pans it off to uh or the producer's panted off
56:21
to Christine. So it's like it's all it's the whole family and like all
56:24
of the adults. So I do think like I think all of the onus
56:28
is on Cody and Robin for like how they handled everything, but also like
56:31
the wives too, like there was a lot that needed to be unpacked,
56:35
like Christine's jealousy, Mary's abandonment, Janelle's financial abuse, Like all of this
56:39
stuff needed to be worked on and it needed to be worked on together,
56:44
and Cody and Robin were the ones that didn't want to do that. But
56:46
I thought that was interesting that Robin has that hindsight, like we're the ones
56:51
that failed. Yeah, but she still can't. She still has to hide
56:54
in the group. Yeah, And she still has to hide her hands,
56:58
right and her part in it because she's unable, she's unable to see it
57:01
and she's unable to admit it. See, out of the two of them,
57:05
right out of Cody and Robin, I feel like she has the capacity
57:08
to know exactly what the fuck she has done, which is why she walks
57:13
away from the clip and will not watch it because then she'll have to admit
57:15
it, whereas Cody really seems lost in his ignorance and his dumbness, like
57:20
he's believing his own bullshit yep, huffing his own farts, yep. He
57:23
does not know how to get away from his own narrative, and he needs
57:27
that narrative so badly because if he doesn't have the story, you'll have to
57:30
look at his at himself as he truly is, and see what the rest
57:34
of us see, and it's a vile, small little man who has destroyed
57:37
his entire family and broken his children's heart yep, and denies that, yep,
57:43
denies it. He would crumble if he had to take on all of
57:45
that responsibility because he's put up this huge, big old facade, like this
57:51
big ego that protects him from all of the hard stuff. But if he
57:54
actually had to admit it, he would just implode on himself, I think.
57:59
I mean, unless he had like actual intensive therapy, whereas therapist could
58:02
talk to talk him through it and everything, but he won't be able to
58:06
admit. You can't therapies an arc kind of no, you can't therapies an
58:08
arc. I really honestly believe, as a non professional shit stirring control on
58:15
the Internet that that man's a narc toat's. I mean, I think Robin
58:19
is too, but I mean I could be dissuaded from that, but a
58:22
hundred percent I believe he's a narcissist. Yeah, I think Robin's definitely a
58:25
manipulator. And I think she's an enabler of Cody because she looks at all
58:30
of this shit and allows it to happen and feels it in him a little
58:32
bit. But if she just could get away from him maybe and maybe get
58:38
her own therapy, maybe she could see and hold accountability for herself and realize,
58:43
oh, yeah, I'm a sensitive ass bitch. I took everything really
58:45
way too personally, and I made this situation much worse than it needed to
58:50
be by being the favorite wife like that would have gone a long way,
58:53
but no one can dream. So my final thoughts Mary, Awesome, You've
59:00
gotten some therapy and I'm here for your worthy up journey. If you just
59:04
stop staying worthy up, Christine, calm down. It's a bit much.
59:07
I mean, I get it with your barfing noises and your eye rolls and
59:12
stuff, But at the same time, I'm super happy for you and I
59:15
hope your next chapter is awesome, Janelle. I mean, you've made some
59:17
wrong decisions. I'm not gonna let you off the hook, but like,
59:22
you're my favorite, and I love your transparency, and I love it when
59:24
you call him a dick in an asshole, and that means Cody, Cody,
59:30
get fucked. You suck. You're a terrible father, and you are
59:36
a small, weak little man. And Robin, first of all, get
59:39
your thyroid checked out. Honey. We need to keetch you the thyroid check
59:43
out out. But Robin, this is what you manifested for yourself. This
59:50
man, this marriage, this McMansion, this is what you created, and
59:53
now it is all yours, honeys so relatious. You can cry about it
59:59
all you, but this is what you designed for yourself. So and now
1:00:05
it makes sense that she was a witch the entire time, with her double,
1:00:09
her toxic vision board. Well here you go. You gotta honey,
1:00:13
you got it. But you know what, she don't look like she's enjoying
1:00:15
any know. She looks so unhappy. Dude. In the talk back,
1:00:21
I'm do it. We will get to it. It will get so we
1:00:22
are going to have another episode separate from this because obviously we're already a little
1:00:28
bit long where we're going to cover the talkbacks. We'll release that in a
1:00:30
couple of days, so make sure you come back through the pod or to
1:00:34
the channel or to the Patreon to check it out. But until then,
1:00:38
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1:00:43
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