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The Significance of Israel, with Pastor Patrick Russell · The Slippery Slope

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Hi, Jay, Fallon here. Thanks for listening to The
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Slippery Slope. And obviously, I have Pastor
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Patrick Russell joining us today.
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It's the first time in a long time.
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Patrick, Pastor Patrick, very welcome.
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Thanks for joining me today. I do apologise for not having
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you earlier. Like I said before, I, I, you
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did a trip which actually my parents went with you to Israel
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and I had intended on asking you to come with onto the programme
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and just share about the trip and what's happening in Israel.
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However, the war broke out in Israel just I think literally
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three days after you got back, I think it was something like
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that. And October, October 7th
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happened. And yeah.
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And then I've been putting things off since then thinking
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things will change and, and waiting.
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And then eventually I thought, oh, just got to, just got to do
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it. So anyway, welcome.
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Thanks. And just want you to share
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anything that's on your heart about Israel, what's happening?
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Any updates you think are important that are not getting
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out there maybe on mainstream media and you know, and, and
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anything that you think is important about Israel, we
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obviously talking about the importance of Israel biblically
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from a prophetic point of view. But yeah, take it away.
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Pastor Patrick, how are you? Yeah, yeah.
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Good night. Thanks very much for having me.
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Good to see you again. Thank you.
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Yeah, as you mentioned, we, we were in Israel the end of
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September, early October. It was actually October 4th that
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we were, as we, we returned home and three days later the events
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of October 7th happened. It's, it's a bit surreal because
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we were actually our tour group and your parents were on that
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group as well. Our tour group were in the
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southern parts of Israel, there in the city of Sterat.
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And Sterat is famous. You see the Hamas guys in the
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back of the Ute they're all, you know, fully armed and driving
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through the streets and murdering people.
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Well, that's where we were just days before.
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And so to be there and then to come home and to see that and
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think, wow, yeah, we were that close to being there ourselves
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was. It's a bit surreal.
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But as you said, since then, it's been over 10 months,
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quickly approaching a year, and the the war hasn't subsided.
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In fact, it's getting probably more crazy as more and more
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proxies of Iran join the battle against Israel.
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They're being attacked from the north and the South and the east
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and being attacked in the West through the media or all Israel
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surrounded in every way. So it's very important, I think
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we get the message out there concerning the truth and the
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facts because there's a lot of lies, there's a lot of
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misunderstanding, there's a lot of ignorance when it comes to
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Israel. And I think part of the reason
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that I'm involved with Christian friends of Israel is to try and
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bring that truth and bring that balance.
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And of course, I'm talking from a biblical point of view.
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I'm, you know, you can enter the politics of it and you'll debate
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until the cows come home. It's, it's one of those issues
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that everyone has a, an opinion on.
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But from my point of view, I don't look at it politically,
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look at it biblically as a Christian.
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And I have a totally different view, obviously, looking at it
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biblically than the world does politically.
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And the two will clash and there'll be a lot of kickback
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and feedback. And but, you know, as
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Christians, I think we've got to look at it biblically.
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Now, if you look at it biblically, that land that
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Palestinians are fighting over and declaring is theirs.
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Well, biblically, that land belongs to the nation of Israel,
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and if you want to argue that way, you need to argue with God,
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because it was God who actually gave Israel that land.
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He made a promise with Abraham, the father of the Jewish nation,
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that that land would be an everlasting possession of his
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and his descendants forever. When, when what was the time
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frame of that? What was what was that?
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Sorry? What was the time frame when he
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the promise was made to Abraham? What?
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What? Yeah.
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At least 3000 years ago, about 3 1/2 thousand years ago.
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And in fact Abraham was living in what is today modern Iraq and
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God called him to leave that that nation and go to a land
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that God would take him to. And God took him to the land
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which was actually called Canaan.
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It was full of Canaanites. And so when Abraham entered the
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land, God said, I'm going to give you all this land here as
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an everlasting possession for you and your descendants.
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And of course you go down the line of descendants.
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And Abraham had a son called Isaac and Ishmael.
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But God didn't say to Ishmael, this is your land.
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He actually said, I'm going to make my covenant with Isaac.
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And so Isaac to you and your descendants, I'm going to give
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this land. Then Isaac had two sons, Jacob
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and Esau. But God says, no, Esau, this is
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not your land. I'm going to give it to Jacob as
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an everlasting possession. And Jacob had twelve sons who
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became the 12 tribes of Israel. So we see biblically, the land
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was given to Abraham, his son Isaac, and his son Jacob, who
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had the 12 sons who became the 12 tribes of Israel.
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So biblically, there's no dispute the land belongs to
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Israel. It was given as an everlasting
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possession by God himself. So you can have the United
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Nations say this is not your land.
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You can have the governments of the world stand up and say, no,
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you need to divide this land. No, biblically, the land belongs
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to Israel. Now that is a very political
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statement today because the world is calling for the
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division of the land and people. Like I said, you can argue the
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politics, but I'm not going to argue the politics because I'm
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going to stand on what God has said in His Word.
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And if that ruffles people's feathers, well, so be it.
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That's where I stand, and that's where I look at this conflict
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today in light of what God has said.
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The land belongs to Israel. Those that are trying to take
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the land off Israel are poking God in the eye.
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They're trying to thwart the plans and the purposes and the
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promises of God. And as a Christian, I'll always
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stand with Israel, not because they're perfect, but because I
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love the God of Israel. I was asked that question in
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Israel in an Orthodox Jewish home.
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We took a group there to celebrate the Passover and they
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were teaching us about Passover and we were talking about how we
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loved Israel and how we loved Israel.
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And the father of the house got up in front of all his family
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and everyone says, you know, why do you Christians love Israel?
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And I was able to stand up and say, listen, we we don't, we
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don't love Israel because you're perfect.
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We love Israel because we love the God of Israel.
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That's the difference. So you can be imperfect, but
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that doesn't stop us from loving you because we know God loves
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you because of the covenant that he made with your father's
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Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. So it's not we love you because
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you're perfect and you do everything right.
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And no, in fact, there's a lot of things wrong with Israel, how
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they do things, but our love is not dependent on them being good
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enough. Our love is simply because the
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God of Israel loves them and we love the God of Israel.
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And so we will stand with what God has said concerning that
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land. So to put it all in context,
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well, my stance as far as supporting Israel is biblically
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based. It's not politically based.
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So I won't argue with anybody who wants to argue politically
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because as I said, there's going to be two 310 opinions.
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You know, my, my opinion and my understanding comes directly
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from what God has said in his word.
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And I'll support Israel to defend their land against anyone
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who will try and take that land off them.
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So a couple of questions that keep not questions, statements
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that keep getting put to me when people want to argue with me
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online and not that I don't argue with them, but right,
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they, it's a bit of vitriol out there about you start talking
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about Israel. Quite a few times people have
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come at me and said that, and I've, I've got a feeling that
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these people may be Christians or well, I, I don't know.
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They, they seem to have Bible understanding.
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It seems like maybe they, they believe in God, the Bible.
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But there's quite a few people that come at me and say these
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people that are in Israel aren't actually Jewish people.
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They aren't the descendants of, of, of, of Abraham.
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How do you go about saying yeah how?
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What's your thoughts on that? Well, my thoughts on that is
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that, well, 2000 years ago, Israel was scattered into the
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nations of the world when the Roman general Titus came and
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destroyed Jerusalem in 70 AD, destroyed the city.
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And I witnessed by the name of Josephus wrote that there were
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over a million Jewish people slaughtered in that city at that
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time. It was destroyed.
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He took basically the population that was left back to the slave
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markets of Rome and sold them into the nations of the world.
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65 years later, in 135 AD, the Emperor Hadrian came and
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finished the job. He actually ploughed under the
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city of Jerusalem, destroyed everything else that was
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remaining. And he was the one that actually
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renamed that whole region, which we call the Levant today.
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He renamed that region Syria, Palestina.
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So that's where you get the name Palestine from it.
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So it comes from a Roman general in 135 AD by the name of
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Hadrian. So the people were scattered
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into the nations of the world. Now God said in his prophetic
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word that they would be scattered firstly, but then a
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time would come when he would bring them back from the nations
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of the world. And this is what we've been
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seeing in the last 75 years of Israel's history since it was
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declared a nation in 1948. Again, Jews from every nation
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under the sun are coming back to Israel.
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God is bringing them from the north, the South, the east and
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the West. So all these people that are in
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Israel today, you can't say that they're not Jews because this is
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God prophetically bringing these people back, granted in
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unbelief, many of them back into the land in fulfilment of the
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prophetic word of God. So to turn around as a Christian
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and say these aren't Jews, well, where are the Jews coming from?
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If they don't come from the nations of the world, If these
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aren't the people that God said he would bring back in the last
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days, where are they going to come from?
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You know, it defeats the logic. You're trying to say, well,
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these aren't Jews. Well, where are they?
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Where are the Jews then if these aren't the people?
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So, you know, you got to say as Christians, come on, pull your
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head in. This is the regathering that God
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prophesied in His Word, and I could quote scripture after
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scripture after scripture on that.
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Could you give us a could you give us the scripture where it
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says just for a so, yeah, where it says that God will scatter
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his people just one or two whatever, and and also that he
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will, he will gather. I mean, obviously a lot of
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people know about, you know, the Ezekiel prophecy in that I I
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think that might be one of them. But yeah, if is there anything
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else that where he specifically says, hey, I'm going to scatter
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my people. And I think it it, it happened
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twice. Doesn't isn't that correct?
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Is that correct? Well there was a 70 year exile
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when Jerusalem was destroyed in 592 BC by the Babylonians.
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Yep. So they went away for 70 years
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out of the land. And that was that was part.
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Yeah, that was prophesied. You can go through the book of
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Joel and, and Nahum and all those prophets that talk about,
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you know, the coming destruction, Habakkuk, the
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prophet Habakkuk, but that was only for 70 years.
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And then it was prophesied in Jeremiah that they'd actually
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returned after 70 years and rebuild Jerusalem in Judea.
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The other time that they're being taken out was, as I said
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in 70AD and 135AD by these Romans who basically destroyed
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the land and renamed it, took Israel into captivity.
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So if you want to look for where it's prophesied, you can go back
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to the book of Deuteronomy, Deuteronomy chapter 28.
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Now, if you read the story in Deuteronomy chapter 28, Moses
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has the children of Israel on the border of the Promised Land.
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After they left Egypt, they'd been wandering for 40 years.
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Now as they're preparing to go into the Promised Land, Moses
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basically gets them together and he gives them a pep talk and he
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goes through all these things that God has done for them and
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what God's going to do. And see in, in Deuteronomy
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chapter 28, he, he lays out, he says, look, if you do this, if
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you obey God, if you honour God, he's going to give you this
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land. He's going to bless you in the
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city. He's going to bless you in the
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country. Your crops are going to be
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blessed, your families are going to be blessed.
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And he goes through this really big long list of blessings in
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Deuteronomy 28. OK, now halfway through the
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chapter, he then turns it around and he says, but if you disobey
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God and dishonour God and go against God and do this and this
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and this, he says, God's going to curse you.
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And he goes through a a really long list of curses.
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God's going to curse your land. He's going to curse your
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animals. He's going to curse your
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families. He's going to curse your cities.
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He's going to curse. And then at the end of
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Deuteronomy, in verses right up around verse, we're gonna verses
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64 to 68, God says, And then if you're still in your sin and
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rebellion, I'm gonna take you out of this land and I'm gonna
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scatter you into the nations of the world.
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I'm just gonna, I'm just gonna bring this this up.
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Sorry. I'm sorry to interrupt you.
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I'll just bring this up just so we can.
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Yeah, Deuteronomy 28. Deuteronomy 28, and that's 64
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I've got. So this is I think new King
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James Version. I've just got it up on Bible
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Gateway for people looking at this.
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Look what it says. It says the Lord will scatter
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you among all peoples from one end of the earth to the other,
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and you'll serve other gods, neither you nor your father's
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now wooden stone. And among those nations you'll
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find no rest. Hey, this has been the plight of
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the Jewish people for the last 2000 years.
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They've been living among the nations, but it hasn't been
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their homeland. They've been persecuted.
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They've been you have a look at verse 66.
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Your your life. You're hanging doubt before you.
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You shall fear day and night and have no assurance of life in the
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morning you'll say, oh, that evening and evening.
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You say, oh, oh, that it was morning.
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And the picture is that in those nations where God scattered you,
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you're never going to find peace.
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You're never going to find, you know, the security that you've
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been looking for. You're always going to be
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haunted. You're always going to be the
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object of people scorn and ridicule.
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And this was prophesied even as Israel had left Egypt and were
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ready to go into the promised land.
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So that's how far back this prophecy goes.
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And look what happens. They come into the promised land
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under Joshua. They serve God.
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God begins to give them all the land that he promised to their
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fathers, Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.
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And then what happens? They go off the rails and they
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begin to serve the foreign bows and the foreign gods.
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And then God's prophetic word kicks in and he sends them
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judges to try and bring them back.
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He sends them prophets. And this goes on and on for
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generations. And they they don't listen.
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And so finally, as we just read there in Deuteronomy 2864, God
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scatters them into the nations of the world.
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And this happened through the events of 7018 when the Roman
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general came in. And 135 S prophetically, there's
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your scriptures to say I'm going to scatter you into the nations
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of the world. And that's what happened.
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That's fact, that's history. You can't deny that.
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So for the last 2000 years, they've been in all the nations
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of the world. You'll find them in China,
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you'll find them in Japan, you'll find them in India,
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you'll find them in Australia, you'll find them everywhere.
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The Jew is everywhere. But in 1948, what happens?
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The nation of Israel is reestablished again, and then
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God starts to bring them home. That's what I that's what I was
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saying to people who say these aren't real Jews.
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Well, where are they then? God's already begun to bring
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them home since 1948. Now let me just give you some
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scriptures that talk about that. The book of Amos, Chapter 9,
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verses 14 to 15. I'll read it for you even while
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you're looking for it. There.
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God says I will restore the fortunes of my people, Israel,
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and they shall rebuild the ruined cities and inhabit them.
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I will plant them upon their land and they shall never again
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be plucked up out of the land which I have given them, says
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the Lord your God. There's a promise saying that
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God's going to restore them. They're going to rebuild all
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their ancient cities. And God says then I'm not, I'm
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not going to pluck you up again. So I don't care what Iran says.
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Yeah, we're going to wipe these out.
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I don't care what the so called Palestinians or any other
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enemies of Israel say we're going to take the land from the
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river to the sea. Israel will be Palestine will be
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free. That's that is such a lie
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because God has said there, you know, you'll never be plucked up
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from the the land again. You see that in verse 15.
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I will plant them in their land and no longer shall they be
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pulled up from the land which I've given them.
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So there's the promise of God. So what you're seeing today, the
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enemies of Israel trying to displace them from the land.
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It won't happen because God says never again.
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Now we didn't say they wouldn't suffer persecution, they
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wouldn't suffer from their enemies having a go at them.
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But he said I'll never pluck you up from the land again.
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So they Israel's in the land to stay.
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That's only one scripture. Yeah.
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Can I give you one more? Yeah, sure.
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Jeremiah chapter 30 verse three says this.
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Well, behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, that I
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will bring back from captivity my people, Israel and Judah,
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says the Lord, And I will cause them to return to the land that
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I gave to their fathers, and they shall possess it.
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These are these are the promises of God.
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And this is what we've seen since the 14th of May 1948, when
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Israel became a nation again. God is restoring his people just
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as he said he would. So that's why all the Jews are
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returning back to Israel. And they've been doing that now.
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And from 1948 of a population of 800,000 Jews, you've got 13
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million people today in just 7075 years.
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Yeah, that's the hand of God. And and we know that and we know
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so this Jeremiah, when he's saying this, we know that this
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is talking about the the second time that Israel were cast doubt
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were scattered. Because the second time was when
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the whole it says here that and these are the words that Lord
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spoken concerned Israel and Judah.
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So in my people Israel and Judah.
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So it was the second time when they were scattered worldwide
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that it was Israel and Judah that was scattered.
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Is that correct? Is that why we know that this?
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Is before the Babylonians invaded Israel in five, I think
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it was 596 or 592 BC before they invaded Israel.
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You know that Israel was divided between the northern Kingdom and
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the southern Kingdom. That happened under rebound, the
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son of Solomon, 10 tribes went north and two tribes, the tribe
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of Juror and Benjamin, remained in the South.
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So you had Israel in the north and Judah in the South.
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It was still Israel, but it was divided between Israel and
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Judah. Now the 10 northern tribes,
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before Judah was taken to Babylonian, the 10 northern
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tribes were conquered by the Assyrian Empire and they were
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taken back to the Assyrian Empire, which included Nineveh.
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And then God destroys Nineveh and then the Babylonians rise to
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world dominance. And it was the Babylonians who
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came and took Judah, the southern part now back to
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Babylon in exile. So Israel had already, the
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northern tent tribes had already gone into exile years and years,
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100 odd years before the southern part.
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And they weren't world exiles, They were just, you know, the
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world empires at the time. So this second one under the
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Romans was a worldwide scattering.
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They sold them to, you know, slave traders from all over the
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world. So that's why you find Jews in
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India Today, and in Australia and every nation under the sun.
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So they actually sold them. They actually.
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Sold them slaves. Yeah, and that's what women's
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will do. And that's what that other
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verse. Sorry, I've forgotten where we
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were. Yeah.
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Deuteronomy 28. Yeah, it's said that they will
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sell you a slaves. You read the whole lot, not just
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the verses week, right, but read all of Deuteronomy.
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You'll see exactly that's what it says you'll be sold, your
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children will be slaves. You, you, you will live in these
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nations. You'll you won't have peace.
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You won't have well that was prophesied and that's what's
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happened. But and it's always but with
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God, God said I'll bring you back.
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There'll come a time where I'm going to bring you back.
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I'm going to re establish you and you're going to rebuild all
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those ancient cities and that's what they've done today.
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That's what we're seeing and and that is the sign itself in the
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soon coming of Jesus Christ because he said when he comes
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back, he's coming back to the rule and reign in Jerusalem and
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there has to be a Jewish nation there.
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And it hasn't been for 2000 years.
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Yeah. So since 1948.
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So this is we're living in exciting times.
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This is what we're witnessing. Is the amazing prophetic word of
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God coming true? Yeah.
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That, that is amazing. So OK, so that's awesome because
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I really want to do exactly what you just did talk about like
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prove show how this is what the Bible says and this is what has
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happened. So I suppose what does this mean
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for what's happening now and with the war, you know, and
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there was some some things that happened really recently.
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Obviously we've had October 7th happened here in Australia.
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We have all these people like Lydia Thorpe, the suppose an
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Aboriginal woman standing up saying hey, indigenous people
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and Palestinians, we're all the same now.
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And you know, it's Aboriginal land, whatever that quote is.
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And then from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free
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because we're all together because Israel is, you know,
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Israel. What what do you call Israel's
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just apartheid, some apartheid system.
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But when you look at what the Bible's saying, what you've
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shown us this morning, that means that's all their hopes for
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defeating Israel. It's not going to happen.
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Like the river to the sea, Palestine will be free.
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It's just not going to occur. If the Bible is true, that is.
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That's what it's saying. Exactly.
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If the Bible is true, Israel will never ever be uprooted and
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destroyed from that land. Doesn't matter who tries,
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they'll never be defeated. Can I just address something
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that you just mentioned there with Lydia Thorpe and all these,
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these crazy people? What she's been basically saying
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in others are being saying that Australian indigenous people
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here and the Palestinians are in the same boat.
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They're basically saying that Israel is a colonial power, just
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like the white people are colonials.
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OK, Now I know this centres into the political realm, OK, but let
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me just put put the facts on the ground.
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The aboriginal indigenous people of Australia have more in common
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with Israel than they do with the Palestinians.
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One, the land belonged to Israel.
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It never ever belonged to a people group called the
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Palestinians. It never, ever belonged to the
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Arabs. It was given to the Jewish
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people by God himself through Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, who
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destroyed and displaced an evil group of people called the
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Canaanites, who are a godless race that don't exist anymore.
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So the land belongs to Israel. But who is the colonialist?
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Those people who have come in since 1948 and 67 claiming that
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there are people group called the Palestinians who have lived
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there forever, which they never have.
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There's never been a Palestinian state, never was, never a
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culture or language. So the colonialists are the
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Palestinians. So Lydia thought's trying to
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say, well, the indigenous people, you know, we're the same
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as the Palestinians because we're controlled by these
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colonials. No, the colonialists are the
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Palestinians who are trying to take Israel's land.
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So Israel has more in common with the indigenous people.
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And, you know, the Palestinians want to say, oh, it's occupied
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land. It's occupied land, yeah, it's
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occupied by Palestinians who it was never given to.
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Now that's a biblical understanding, but with
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political ramifications. So when they say, you know, from
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the river of the sea, Palestine will be free.
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Now from the river to the sea, Israel will be free because it's
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Israel's land. So just addressing another
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political thing, which you might get a lot of feedback from, but,
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you know, Israel has more in common with the indigenous
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people of this land. So Lydia Thorpe's crazy.
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She can't say that. And she's got no understanding,
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no idea of history or her facts. So I forgot what we're talking
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about before. So the implications are, you
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know, what we're seeing today is, is very much a political
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thing. It's it's totally ignoring the
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spiritual and biblical understanding of the situation,
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which is where I'm coming from. I'm not going to argue the
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political point because she will get diverse opinions, everyone's
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opinion, that's fine. But you want to argue with it
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biblically, we'll argue with God.
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It's in his word. We're going to have to wrap
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things up. We're just running out of time.
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But that's exactly what I wanted to say is, is point out, hey,
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this is it's a biblical thing. This is and there's no way
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whatever Iran declares, whatever these people, the Palestinian
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people declare, it's, it's just not going to occur.
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And it's because this is what the Bible says.
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That's it. And I think that's important for
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anyone that wants to argue, argue about it and put these,
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like you said, these political arguments forward.
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I want to thank you again for joining us today.
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Yeah, it's been great talking to you.
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And I will try not to make it so long next time.
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But Pastor Patrick, now if you can just give us details too.
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So it's the sorry, the Christian friends of Israel that you're
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working with. Christian Friends of Israel,
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Yeah. And how do we how can people
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contact you or support you? Well, you can contact me on my
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email, you can write, it's just very
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simplecfiaustralia@hotmail.com and contact me there and I can
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talk to you about whatever you want to talk about.
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So that's CFI Australia, oneword@hotmail.com.
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Cfiaustralia@hotmail.com I'll put that up while you're saying
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it. And yeah, hey, thanks very much
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for joining us today, and we'll hope to see you again very soon,
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Pastor Patrick Russell. Thank you.
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Pleasure. They just.