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Hour 2: Horse Racing.. Diego Pavia.. Plus, Dan Mullen vs. Lane Kiffin. Check it out! · Out of Bounds with Bo Bounds

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Speaker 1: No, it's on the second level of their big welcome center, okay,
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Speaker 1: last one hundred and fifty years. But when you go
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Speaker 1: The bartenders last year were awesome, were they. They do
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Speaker 1: We were lucky enough to be able to do you know,
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Speaker 1: private tastings, which is a ton of fun. And we'll
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Speaker 1: be there again on Thursday and come back on Sunday,
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Speaker 1: So I'll make sure I'll be in Louisville for two
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Speaker 1: of those nights. Should I go by and see Jeff Brom?
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Speaker 1: Since Old Miss is playing Louisville. In Game one in Nashville,
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Speaker 1: we got Trinidad Chambliss against Jeff Brom. Jeff Brom played
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Speaker 1: quarterback at Louisville, then went on to have a super
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Speaker 1: successful career as a head coach. He actually won a
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Speaker 1: Western Kentucky and Purdue, which nobody does. And now he's
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Speaker 1: been winning in Louisville and there you go. Well, I
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Speaker 1: think we'll stay right down from the Young Center. That's
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Speaker 1: Love the YOUM Center. Can you believe I just pulled that?
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Speaker 1: That's pretty good. Yeah, how do you feel about that?
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Speaker 1: Is it a collective? What the young folks are? They KFC?
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Speaker 1: Well they're KFC. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't know
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Speaker 1: what all they are, but but it's it's it's the
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Speaker 1: YOUM Center or something. Because I walked by in the
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Speaker 1: morning last year when we were waiting to go out
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Speaker 1: I met our friend Mark. I should be able to
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Speaker 1: in here, and he's got the building in Louisville, Kentucky
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Speaker 1: He's been He's had like one hundred wines rated at
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Speaker 1: was in in our studio and then he bought, even
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Speaker 1: though he's tied into northern California, he bought this unbelievable
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Speaker 1: building downtown in Louisville, not far from the YOUM Center.
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Speaker 1: And I got to go see him the day before
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Speaker 1: all my Elijah Craig guys flew in town and we
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Speaker 1: drank his he's gone from wine. He's still doing great
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Speaker 1: wine and he's probably top ten winemaker in the world
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Speaker 1: the last forty years. But his bourbon club it's a
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Speaker 1: private club, that's what it is. It's not a bourbon bar.
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Speaker 1: It's a bourbon club. And he invited me up there
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Speaker 1: and we had a really good time. In downtown. It
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Speaker 1: looked like George Street. It's got that exposed brick like that,
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Speaker 1: and these beautiful lockers for the members. Lots of brass
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Speaker 1: and like I said, hardwood floors and really really nice
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Speaker 1: spot if you can find it. You wouldn't know if
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Speaker 1: you were walking by, so you got to know kind
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Speaker 1: of where you're going. Then he just opened the door
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Speaker 1: and welcomed me in, which was pretty awesome. So that's
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Speaker 1: my rambling on going. I'm going to basketball country slash
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Speaker 1: bourbon country slash horse racing or horse breeding country, how
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Speaker 1: about that? Yeah? Yeah, yeah. In the horse breeding game,
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Speaker 1: I may you know, here's cheap, nothing to it, just
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Speaker 1: hop on it. That's expensive horse that's expensive. Yeah, like
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Speaker 1: it gets expensive real fast. They spent so much money
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Speaker 1: on those things. Yeah. Yeah. I sat down one night
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Speaker 1: in twenty fourteen when we had dinner with Gary Danielson, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: and the CBS crew the night before that game in
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Speaker 1: twenty fourteen and startbum and they had rented out the
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Speaker 1: back of the guest room, and I sat down beside
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Speaker 1: this guy who was a petroleum engineer at Mississippi State
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Speaker 1: and he had left in like nineteen seventy to go
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Speaker 1: to Houston, Texas, and his family's in the horse business
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Speaker 1: and he he had just shipped his horse over to Europe.
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Speaker 1: Oh and as he was telling me that. I was thinking,
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Speaker 1: how much does that cost God to show that horse
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Speaker 1: in Europe or ride that horse in wait whatever? Good Lord?
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Speaker 1: And that what is first time you can just to
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Speaker 1: buy Wonder's been a six figures plus? Right? Well, what's it?
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Speaker 1: of Walker's Drive In, Derek Emerson sold it to Joe Craven.
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Speaker 1: They're tied together though, and Walker's is I mean Walker's
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Speaker 1: Drive In is Yeah. People have known about it forever
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Speaker 1: and it's you know, Derek took it to another level
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Speaker 1: and that was cool to have Derek Emerson. We're doing this,
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Speaker 1: we're spotlighting and highlighting Jackson City limit chefs and restaurants,
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Speaker 1: and so Joe Craven with Walkers Drive In will join
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Speaker 1: Little Effie and Masa Mesa which I went to on Friday.
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Speaker 1: I had their black and redfish taco with the hardshell.
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Speaker 1: It's redfish Diana and uh, it was delicious. They do
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Speaker 1: these smoked black beans with it. It's in the east
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Speaker 1: Over District. We'll be showcasing, highlighting Jackson Culinary because we
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Speaker 1: two of them that you want to hit in the
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Speaker 1: East Over District Masa Mesa and look, if there would
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Speaker 1: have been more people with me, I would have ordered more.
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Speaker 1: And the bartender told me they've got about five different burgers.
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Speaker 1: Bartender told me their burgers were the best he's ever had.
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Speaker 1: So that's Masa Mesa in the east Over District. It
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Speaker 1: was good to have Derek on. He sold Walker's Drive
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Speaker 1: into Joe Craven. Joe Craven will join us at nine
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Speaker 1: thirty and we'll be we'll be rolling through. Let me
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Speaker 1: see what I've got here, one, two, three, four, five
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Speaker 1: more or six more, six more chef restaurant tours. It
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Speaker 1: could in fact, we've got one that owns a bakery.
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Speaker 1: So there's unbelievable food in the Jackson city limits. We
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Speaker 1: I say this all the time, and I know you
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Speaker 1: get tired of it. But those of you, because I've
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Speaker 1: lived in both, you know, I've lived in Jackson for
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Speaker 1: years and years and years, and I've lived in Madison
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Speaker 1: now for years. But for those of you in Madison, Flowood, Brandon, wherever, Clinton,
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Speaker 1: you're missing out if you don't go into Jackson and
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Speaker 1: enjoy the food. Amazing restaurants and chefs and small little
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Speaker 1: places and bakeries and you know, everything from Hickory Pitt
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Speaker 1: to Masa Mesa to Rowans and Manship and many others
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Speaker 1: in between. So we'll be who text me? The chef
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Speaker 1: from Manship. She texted me yesterday she had been busy, busy,
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Speaker 1: which I get they had had a huge catering order
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Speaker 1: or something. And she's going to come on here soon.
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Speaker 1: So I'm looking forward to that. Did go by the Manship.
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Speaker 1: I'm on my own culinary tour because if we're going
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Speaker 1: to partner with Jackson on this, then not Jackson meadows
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Speaker 1: the city. But I'm partner with Jackson every day on
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Speaker 1: the show. But if we're going to do this, not
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Speaker 1: that I'm not there, I'm in Jackson all the time,
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Speaker 1: almost daily, but I got to go through and try
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Speaker 1: everything again. So last week I smashed a cheeseburger at Rowans,
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Speaker 1: I had gumbo at the Manship, and I had the
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Speaker 1: black and Redfish taco at my Samesa in the East
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Speaker 1: Over District. And I'm trying to think what else. Wennie
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Speaker 1: and I went to Bravo yesterday for Branch. There was
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Speaker 1: some other place I went to last week that Jackson
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Speaker 1: and I were talking about. Anyway, we've got great restaurants
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Speaker 1: on the show all over the state, and we've never
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Speaker 1: been in a better culinary boom, and there's only more coming.
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Speaker 1: But we're lucky. From Tie to American and everything in between,
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Speaker 1: we've got great food and from absolute dive bars, which
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Speaker 1: is really what and built the show to more of
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Speaker 1: a fine dining, which is totally different now than nineteen
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Speaker 1: eighty four when you actually had to wear a blue
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Speaker 1: blazer to Fisherman's War for wherever the hell you were going.
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Speaker 1: But well, i mean, like I remember being a kid
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Speaker 1: and we were always going to commanders and you had
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Speaker 1: to wear you had to wear. You had to shuffle
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Speaker 1: in there at nine, you didn't know where you were.
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Speaker 1: You know, you had stuff all over your face from
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Speaker 1: whatever you were eating prior to in the car and
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Speaker 1: had you had a blazer on to go watch them?
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Speaker 1: Do you know whatever primberlet or or bread pudding and
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Speaker 1: among other dishes on the table I mean beside the table, which,
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Speaker 1: by the way, I know most everybody's done it a lot.
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Speaker 1: But you know, back then in nineteen eighty three, dude,
15:46
Speaker 1: that was big living. Somebody coming to the table and
15:49
Speaker 1: firing up some fire and cooking something in front of you.
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Speaker 1: When you were nine years old, you were like, what
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Speaker 1: the hell? Yeah, look at a Botchi restaurant. A year
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Speaker 1: later in nineteen eighty four, I'm eating es cargo and
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Speaker 1: Washington d C. What is going on here? What I'm
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Speaker 1: eating snails? Yeah, No, they're fabulous, they are. I'm when
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Speaker 1: we go to when we go to Kessler, I'm ordering
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Speaker 1: escargo with that good with escargo. There's plenty of butter
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Speaker 1: in it. Yeah, and you will you'll love it. Is
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Speaker 1: there a big difference between that and escallop? A snail
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Speaker 1: and a scallop? Yeah, I mean, like I know, that
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Speaker 1: the actual like b but I mean when may when cooked, Yes, okay,
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Speaker 1: there is. They don't They're not boasted slimmy. A lot
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Speaker 1: of people would describe them as slimmy. Yeah, texture is,
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Speaker 1: but you've got a breaded almost uh croissant type uh
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Speaker 1: deal on top of your escargo. Okay, okay, yeah, word,
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Speaker 1: that was not a good description, but that was what
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Speaker 1: I could come up come up with, right now, you
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Speaker 1: known do you call them? First of all, and by
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Speaker 1: the way, Derek Emerson's coming back on the show, we
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Speaker 1: did not know, and that I was mad at myself.
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Speaker 1: I did not know that his dad was the photographer
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Speaker 1: for Michael Jackson in the eighties. So again, I'm a
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Speaker 1: Michael Jackson. You know, right when I was getting to
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Speaker 1: be ten years old, he became the biggest thing in
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Speaker 1: the world in five seconds, all right. For some of
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Speaker 1: you it was the Stones or the Beatles or fast
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Speaker 1: forward whatever it was for Jackson's age. But Michael Jackson,
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Speaker 1: when I was ten years old, became the biggest star
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Speaker 1: in the world. Derek Emerson's dad was Michael Jackson's photographer
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Speaker 1: and on one of their one of his albums, he
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Speaker 1: did that that photo. Yeah, I don't remember what which one.
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Speaker 1: It wasn't Beat it but it was one of them.
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Speaker 1: But he was with Mike from Beat It On. That's
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Speaker 1: what he's starting, that's right, okay, And then he mentioned uh,
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Speaker 1: oh man, I hate that I didn't write it down
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Speaker 1: because we were standing up in the middle of the studio.
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Speaker 1: But I then to come back in uh. But there
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Speaker 1: were two or three other bands that if I set them,
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Speaker 1: you would know their name. He grew up in LA
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Speaker 1: before going to Meridian with his grandparents and ending up here.
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Speaker 1: Thank god he did, because he's part of an amazing
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Speaker 1: culinary scene that has grown the last thirty five plus
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Speaker 1: years here in the Jackson and Jackson metro area. But
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Speaker 1: we will have him back on because I have to
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Speaker 1: have Michael Jackson stories. And it's Joe Craven's with an
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Speaker 1: S and so Weber State coach's really good. Back in
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Speaker 1: the day. Really, they made some n CUAA tournaments. I
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Speaker 1: think in the hoops, that's right. Are they in the Midwest?
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Speaker 1: Is that what you counted? What are the Indianas Ohio
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Speaker 1: are Let's see, I think I believe it is Indiana.
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Speaker 1: I'll give you just a Weber State is in Utah. Okay,
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Speaker 1: that's not the Midwest. Is that PAC twelve? Well it was.
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Speaker 1: They don't exist. Yeah, they don't exist. Now, I mean
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Speaker 1: the they with some teams back together, but come on,
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Speaker 1: they have two teams, don't they have a couple of teams, like,
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Speaker 1: well they got I can't remember who all they put together,
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Speaker 1: Jackson maybe, Fresno State, Oregon State, Washington State, San Diego State.
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Speaker 1: I can't remember who's leaving and who's not from that
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Speaker 1: UNLV Boise Conference of the Mountain West. But there's some
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Speaker 1: stuff going on out there, but I can't I can't remember. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: Uh.
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Speaker 1: Bar two was with us last week. That was a
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Speaker 1: ton of fun. The feedback from y'all was great. He
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Speaker 1: cracks y'all up. He's crazy and uh the texts were
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Speaker 1: awesome all week on kind of Bar two in his craziness,
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Speaker 1: which is fun. We're always looking for another angle or
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Speaker 1: some you know, nuggets or information metrics which his analytics
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Speaker 1: to uh, to tell the story of maybe the who, what,
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Speaker 1: where and why on your team or your coach. Uh.
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Speaker 1: And then we got all the coaches last week. They
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Speaker 1: all made, you know, an appearance at SEC Media Days,
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Speaker 1: Golding and Levy h and UH. Who knew that that
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Speaker 1: a team and a coach could win SEC Media days,
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Speaker 1: I kid you not, and that's amazing to me. And
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Speaker 1: I mean, none of what happened last week has anything
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Speaker 1: to do with what can happen on the field. However,
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Speaker 1: it was fun to hear from all sixteen or most
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Speaker 1: of them head coaches. I'm not sure anybody was really
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Speaker 1: listening to like Clark Lee, but you know, maybe they weren't,
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Speaker 1: and maybe Pavia gave him a little juice, extended juice.
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Speaker 1: Pavia got cut last week from the Ravens. We'll see
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Speaker 1: what happens with him. You know, I wouldn't be surprised
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Speaker 1: if he's a guy that goes to the Canadian Football
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Speaker 1: League in place for ten years, no doubt, Yeah, and
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Speaker 1: just hurts people's feelings or maybe the UFL. I don't know,
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Speaker 1: but he to me, he's a He's a guy that
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Speaker 1: is I wouldn't think is going to throw in the
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Speaker 1: towel now. I would think if he played his cards right,
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Speaker 1: and I'm assuming he did, after he gives this run
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Speaker 1: of football, and again, who knows, he may find another
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Speaker 1: NFL team where he can be a backup. But if
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Speaker 1: it's not the Canadian Football League eventually or the UFL
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Speaker 1: or whatever, I would think he could get in with
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Speaker 1: the Vanderbilt commodore alum who has a big private equity firm.
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Speaker 1: And considering he's the most successful player, he may not
23:34
Speaker 1: be the best. Jay Cutler may be better because as
23:36
Speaker 1: an NFL player he was a legitimate starter in the NFL,
23:40
Speaker 1: but as the best player on the field to lead
23:43
Speaker 1: Vanderbilt to a ten and two record, and the year
23:47
Speaker 1: before that beating Alabama and embarrassing them in Nashville and
23:53
Speaker 1: running out the clock on them by running the football
23:55
Speaker 1: in which Diego was one of them. But also that
23:58
Speaker 1: tailback went through Bama's defense like Derrick Henry running against
24:03
Speaker 1: seventh graders. I would think Diego Pavia, former Vanderbilt QB
24:10
Speaker 1: will be just fine. Now. He made some people mad
24:15
Speaker 1: a little bit later in his career. What was the
24:17
Speaker 1: big brew?
24:18
Speaker 2: Haha?
24:18
Speaker 1: I can't even remember. He just you know, well he went,
24:21
Speaker 1: you know, you shouldn't have been I think he had.
24:24
Speaker 1: Was it there in the combine or was it even
24:26
Speaker 1: back in the season, I think it was. Was it
24:27
Speaker 1: not a Senior Bowl? Was it the Senior Bowl where
24:30
Speaker 1: he was down Yonder and decided to go have a
24:33
Speaker 1: little time at the pub? Was that it? He went
24:37
Speaker 1: to a bar. That was one thing, God forbid, because
24:40
Speaker 1: no no Ole miss or Mississippi State players have ever
24:43
Speaker 1: been to a bar. Right, it was more of the
24:45
Speaker 1: what was it the filming or somebody was trying to
24:48
Speaker 1: they were trying to take a petro and he grabbed
24:49
Speaker 1: the phone and smashed it. That didn't help him. That
24:51
Speaker 1: maybe been a second incident. He had a couple. Okay,
24:55
Speaker 1: so he's he But I think he. I think he.
24:59
Speaker 1: I don't think he's burned enough bridges my point in this.
25:03
Speaker 1: I think he could be on TV too. You don't
25:09
Speaker 1: think so, I don't know. Maybe I don't know. Okay,
25:14
Speaker 1: I need to hear I need to hear him, Like
25:16
Speaker 1: is he does he have more of the New Mexico?
25:18
Speaker 3: Oh?
25:18
Speaker 1: It was the Heisman thing, That's what I was trying.
25:21
Speaker 1: The Heisman thing kicked people off. Well, yeah, here here's
25:25
Speaker 1: an award and trophy that has been devalued beyond not
25:31
Speaker 1: quite our dollar since Richard Nixon, but but has been devalued.
25:35
Speaker 1: Good lord, that's what it was. And people got got
25:39
Speaker 1: to pearl clutching on that. But I can't. We'll have
25:41
Speaker 1: to look up exactly what he said. Okay, yeah, he
25:45
Speaker 1: was in the club afterwards doing the talking to Mendoza
25:48
Speaker 1: and whatnot through a sign. Okay, okay, okay, that that's
25:54
Speaker 1: what it Okay, that's yeah. It was man cell like
25:58
Speaker 1: bright out of Johnny's playbook. But those guys, that's what
26:01
Speaker 1: also drives them to be as successful as Diego Pavia
26:07
Speaker 1: was on the field. He's a street guy. He's the
26:11
Speaker 1: guy that's like, what, I'll play you on this asphalt?
26:15
Speaker 1: You know, find what at four on four, six on six,
26:18
Speaker 1: eight on eight in football, or you know, wherever you
26:22
Speaker 1: want to go. It can be broken glass on the
26:25
Speaker 1: on the street. But if you want a ball, then
26:29
Speaker 1: I'm ready be the most dangerous arena football league player ever.
26:33
Speaker 1: Now that's a great I went to an arena football
26:36
Speaker 1: game in Phoenix, Arizona in nineteen ninety seven. Whoa and
26:41
Speaker 1: was And it was by the way, the Sun's arena
26:44
Speaker 1: was packed. Was it pumping? And it was like a
26:49
Speaker 1: fifty six to fifty four games And it was one
26:52
Speaker 1: of the most entertaining experiences I've ever had. Now, is
26:55
Speaker 1: arena football still around? I don't know that it is.
26:58
Speaker 1: It maybe overseas, Okay, I know I know it's here.
27:01
Speaker 1: So now you got the UFL, which Logan Bill calls right,
27:03
Speaker 1: isn't that way? He chugged the beer and he told
27:05
Speaker 1: us about it a couple of months ago. Oh god,
27:08
Speaker 1: you have the Canadian Football League that was able to
27:10
Speaker 1: make it, and so there are some opportunities for him
27:16
Speaker 1: to pull a six figure check oh and play football.
27:20
Speaker 1: He he may try to land on one more or
27:24
Speaker 1: two more NFL teams to see if he can find
27:26
Speaker 1: a spot. Is the backup and then go from there. Yeah,
27:30
Speaker 1: the major North American leagues obviously are CFL and NFL
27:34
Speaker 1: the Alternative and Spring leagues or UFL and IFL the
27:38
Speaker 1: Indoor Football League. Okay, I don't know if that's their
27:41
Speaker 1: new iteration. Okay, but yeah, the arena football was sight
27:46
Speaker 1: that was so exciting. Well, I can tell you this.
27:49
Speaker 1: I could not believe how good the product was in
27:56
Speaker 1: it was fun. Kurt Water was out there slinging doms. Yeah,
28:00
Speaker 1: before he made it big bagging groceries, then arena football
28:03
Speaker 1: or something like that, and then made the NFL and
28:06
Speaker 1: won a Super Bowl. That's crazy. I know, I know
28:10
Speaker 1: it was founded forty years ago. How about the nineteen
28:13
Speaker 1: eighty six Arena football? Okay, so I called it a
28:18
Speaker 1: decade plus in. I can't remember who Phoenix was playing
28:22
Speaker 1: that day. I should even back then, they this is
28:25
Speaker 1: before we were all we went crazy over Oregon's uniforms.
28:31
Speaker 1: Even back then they had really cool uniforms. Okay. Jim Foster,
28:38
Speaker 1: who is the former exec of the NFL and the USFL,
28:41
Speaker 1: he's the one that created arena football. Okay, that makes sense.
28:44
Speaker 1: I was smart. That makes sense. So they made it
28:47
Speaker 1: for a little while. I think they had their own
28:49
Speaker 1: developmental league. That surprises me. Not sure what that exactly was.
28:56
Speaker 1: I find it hard to believe that they had that
28:58
Speaker 1: much capital to get that done. I would think it
29:01
Speaker 1: took everything you could just to have whatever you had
29:03
Speaker 1: an eight arena football leagues or whatever it was. Didn't
29:06
Speaker 1: but it was packed. I remember we could get a beer,
29:09
Speaker 1: which was a big deal the end, because here and
29:12
Speaker 1: in the Sunbelt you couldn't get a beer, right, I
29:17
Speaker 1: guess you could at the Saints games, but anyway, I
29:20
Speaker 1: remember we went we got a beer and we were like,
29:23
Speaker 1: we're drinking a beer watching a football game. Yeah, of course. Yeah.
29:28
Speaker 1: And the didn't they start the or didn't they have
29:31
Speaker 1: it to where, you know, on a fly forty where
29:34
Speaker 1: you know how you start running before you start the
29:36
Speaker 1: forty time? Didn't they have they did that on the snaps.
29:39
Speaker 1: Weren't they allowed to start in the backfield to take
29:41
Speaker 1: off running? Yeah? I think it right. You were on side,
29:44
Speaker 1: you were good. Yeah, we love that. It burned everybody.
29:48
Speaker 1: And I want to say there was a Mississippi State
29:50
Speaker 1: or Ole miss or both player in that game, but
29:53
Speaker 1: I'm going to have to go back and retrieve that
29:57
Speaker 1: and check it out. I mean, look, the quarterbacks were
29:59
Speaker 1: making when they're at their peak, when the AFL was
30:04
Speaker 1: at its peak. Okay, wonderate bad. But Diego Pavia can
30:09
Speaker 1: do new media. Yes, he can do a podcast and
30:15
Speaker 1: one of the chances he linked with Johnny. That'd be
30:18
Speaker 1: incredible if you had Diego Pave and Johnny Manzel, if
30:22
Speaker 1: they were disciplined enough to do a show three days
30:25
Speaker 1: a week, it could be really good and entertaining. Now
30:29
Speaker 1: they'd have to stay away from being silly all the time.
30:34
Speaker 1: But I think it's got some lags. Yeah, I mean
30:38
Speaker 1: I think they're both how long of a podcast they
30:43
Speaker 1: could do an hour a day, three days and three
30:45
Speaker 1: days a week. It's beautiful. Yeah, that would work. Okay,
30:51
Speaker 1: in the New Orleans have the New Orleans voodoo? Yes,
30:56
Speaker 1: I assume Benson probably did. Dang. They played all the
31:02
Speaker 1: way uptil he went from car dealerships where they thought
31:06
Speaker 1: they were making money to buying the Saints and making
31:13
Speaker 1: his family billionaires. Bills, and now he owns the Pelicans, right,
31:19
Speaker 1: I mean he's on the Pelicans for a while, right,
31:22
Speaker 1: But good lord, thefl was hot, man. They were averaging,
31:25
Speaker 1: you know, thirteen thousand in the stands for a little bit,
31:27
Speaker 1: and then O nine came and they set out the
31:29
Speaker 1: year and then it just dwindled. They didn't stop until
31:31
Speaker 1: twenty twenty. Really, they went through. They played the nineteen season,
31:36
Speaker 1: they only had six teams, Okay they had in twenty
31:40
Speaker 1: eleven they had eighteen teams in there. Yeah, that's too many.
31:43
Speaker 1: That's a lot of it. But it worked, and I'm
31:46
Speaker 1: just telling you. In nineteen ninety seven, arena league football
31:50
Speaker 1: in Phoenix was hopp Hey, it had Yeah, the Sun's
31:55
Speaker 1: arena was was was banging. That's cool. Yeah, how big
31:59
Speaker 1: they're field? Where they weren't? I went in May show
32:03
Speaker 1: they were playing arena football in May. Yeah, I wonder
32:08
Speaker 1: how big those fields were? They weren't a hundred right,
32:11
Speaker 1: no way, uh no, no, no, no, no, this is a no,
32:16
Speaker 1: they were not. Yeah. Wow, Yeah, I wish i'd see
32:21
Speaker 1: one of those. That'd be cool. Two eight yard end zones.
32:24
Speaker 1: It would be perfect for you since you're scrappy doo
32:27
Speaker 1: or whatever, because there's so much going on every play. Yeah,
32:32
Speaker 1: you've got a whole bunch. It's wild. It's wild to
32:37
Speaker 1: me that model could could continue to work. I hate
32:39
Speaker 1: they got zapped by COVID, but a lot of the
32:41
Speaker 1: smaller leagues, a lot of the European basketball got zapped
32:44
Speaker 1: because you know, there was a lot of stuff like
32:46
Speaker 1: that just leaves it barely were hanging on year to year,
32:49
Speaker 1: but could still make it. Once you miss a year,
32:52
Speaker 1: you you can't. You can't get it back. You wanted
32:55
Speaker 1: to drop the bar two? All right? Uh Dave? Bar
32:58
Speaker 1: two tied in Dan Mullen and kept then last week
33:01
Speaker 1: and the impact that they've had on college football since
33:05
Speaker 1: twenty ten. This is bar two on Lane Train and
33:10
Speaker 1: Dan Mullen. All right, Diamond, Dave, you know one thing
33:14
Speaker 1: that we brought up last night. I don't remember if
33:15
Speaker 1: it was you or John. I think y'all were in
33:18
Speaker 1: a back and forth, which is fun coaching unicorns.
33:23
Speaker 4: Were we talking about Mullen, We were talking. We were
33:26
Speaker 4: talking about mullin Okay, about that, okay, and how his
33:32
Speaker 4: closest guy. Yes, right, because we went for everybody who
33:39
Speaker 4: should tune into the YouTube channel.
33:41
Speaker 1: You and I did almost two hours yesterday. God, we
33:44
Speaker 1: did NonStop.
33:48
Speaker 4: And so one of the things that the database allows
33:53
Speaker 4: me to do is looking at coaches in a way
33:56
Speaker 4: I've never been able to on the fly. And we talked,
34:00
Speaker 4: you know, the unicorn and what we talked about at
34:03
Speaker 4: the YouTube channel show yesterday had to do with coach
34:07
Speaker 4: effect and how Dan is one of only two guys
34:11
Speaker 4: so since twenty ten, Dan Mullen is one of two
34:15
Speaker 4: head coaches to improve the coach effect at three consecutive stops.
34:23
Speaker 4: So when Dan showed up at Mississippi State, he improved
34:26
Speaker 4: it over the guy before him. Then his coach effect
34:30
Speaker 4: at Mississippi State.
34:31
Speaker 1: Compared to Florida.
34:32
Speaker 4: It was better at Florida, and albeit one year at UNLB,
34:36
Speaker 4: that one year at UNLB was better than Florida entire time.
34:40
Speaker 1: So he was plus coach.
34:42
Speaker 4: Effect three consecutive stops at three consecutive programs there's only
34:47
Speaker 4: one other guy since twenty ten. And this is why
34:50
Speaker 4: coaching is so hard, is in college football, is in general,
34:54
Speaker 4: is there isn't a guy that has gone up, up, up,
34:59
Speaker 4: out side of Dan Mullen. Is one other guy that
35:02
Speaker 4: has gone improve, improve, improve now Lank.
35:06
Speaker 1: Kiven, and both of them coached in the state of
35:08
Speaker 1: Mississippi at rivals Nuts. That's crazy, right, and it is.
35:14
Speaker 4: And then you think about Lane and all of the
35:16
Speaker 4: tribute you know, trials and tribulations he's gone through as
35:19
Speaker 4: a head coach.
35:20
Speaker 1: He still improved. Still, he had a negative.
35:24
Speaker 4: Coach effect before FAU at USC, but he improved.
35:28
Speaker 1: USC over what was there before.
35:30
Speaker 4: Yeah, and then he gets to FAU and obviously after
35:34
Speaker 4: the first year, boom takes off. Ole Miss after the
35:37
Speaker 4: first year boom takes off even more.
35:40
Speaker 1: So it is.
35:41
Speaker 4: Extremely rare to have a head coach be able to
35:45
Speaker 4: do that, not just at one place. It takes a
35:47
Speaker 4: good coach to go from good to great and maintain
35:51
Speaker 4: it like Dan did at Mississippi State, like Lane did
35:55
Speaker 4: at ole Miss and FAU and so forth, but to
35:58
Speaker 4: do it in three consecutive places. There's nobody else in
36:03
Speaker 4: the FBS that has done.
36:05
Speaker 1: It since twenty ten. Dan Mullen and Lane Kiffen one
36:10
Speaker 1: who coached a Mississippi state won at Ole Miss. That is,
36:14
Speaker 1: what are the odds that they come through this state
36:18
Speaker 1: and both coach at different SEC schools within the state
36:23
Speaker 1: of Mississippi. Part two and Jay Meadows, I mean, that's crazy.
36:29
Speaker 1: When you threw that out yesterday, I can't even believe this.
36:32
Speaker 1: I mean, so much of football, pro and college runs
36:36
Speaker 1: through this state, just players and different things. But that's wild.
36:42
Speaker 1: So yeah, two of the coaching unicorns in the state
36:46
Speaker 1: of Mississippi, without a doubt.
36:49
Speaker 4: In college football and all of college football. Lane Kiffin
36:52
Speaker 4: and Dan Mullen.
36:52
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Now, and both will always be a part
36:55
Speaker 1: of the state. They will always be part of the fabric.
36:58
Speaker 1: Their fingerprints will all always be here. They will be
37:01
Speaker 1: mentioned forever in some way, shape or form, whether people
37:04
Speaker 1: like them or don't like them. They had an impact
37:06
Speaker 1: though economic now as far as there are hundreds and
37:08
Speaker 1: hundreds of millions of dollars of impact on Start one Oxford,
37:12
Speaker 1: that's insane. Uh, What Dan and Dak did, What Lane
37:15
Speaker 1: and Corral, Slash Dark and Tryidad did, good gosh, just
37:20
Speaker 1: and it was at the right time. With new media
37:23
Speaker 1: and more access and more streaming and and all that,
37:27
Speaker 1: you get every single game, even when you play livemon
37:30
Speaker 1: Roe and Wafford. So it's kind of crazy, bo bounds,
37:33
Speaker 1: Dave bar two with you coaching unicorns in this state.
37:36
Speaker 1: I start with Lane one and Dan one A, but
37:39
Speaker 1: they're the two best ever. And we also talked about
37:42
Speaker 1: how player evaluation has never been more important. It's an
37:47
Speaker 1: eye roll with some of the college football fans, but
37:52
Speaker 1: with the portal and the you got to go so fast,
37:57
Speaker 1: you know again. I referenced it last night, and bar
38:01
Speaker 1: Two's talked to a million coaches over the years. I'll
38:04
Speaker 1: never forget what Tony Hughes told me about Dan Mullen.
38:07
Speaker 1: And Tony coached at Ole Miss, Southern Miss, and Mississippi
38:10
Speaker 1: State and had a ton of success and was with
38:12
Speaker 1: I don't know how many winning teams, but he said,
38:16
Speaker 1: I have never seen anybody in the film room that
38:18
Speaker 1: can turn on film and say, yeah, he can play.
38:22
Speaker 1: Now he's going to play a different position, but he
38:24
Speaker 1: can play once we get him up here and he
38:26
Speaker 1: gets five meals a day and gets in the weight room.
38:29
Speaker 1: Da da da da da. Dan just had a now.
38:32
Speaker 1: And Kiffin's a hell of an evaluator too, I mean, Quinn,
38:35
Speaker 1: Shaun Judkins. I mean, we could go on and on,
38:37
Speaker 1: but there's a running back out of Alabama that Bama
38:40
Speaker 1: nor Auburn wanted and Lane took him and he ended
38:43
Speaker 1: up being a superstard. There's plenty more.
38:45
Speaker 4: Well you look at player development, look at Signetti. Right,
38:48
Speaker 4: do we have any better? Because I don't think a
38:50
Speaker 4: lot of people realize Kurt Signetti kind of built some
38:55
Speaker 4: rosters at Alabama for Nick Saban, who just yeah, you know,
38:59
Speaker 4: kind of like you know, maybe some of the best.
39:01
Speaker 1: Teams ever this century. Yeah, you know, and then left
39:06
Speaker 1: to go to iupa unbelievable then Elon, then James Madison,
39:11
Speaker 1: Dave bar Two's in the house. Check us out on
39:14
Speaker 1: YouTube search out of Bound sports. Hey that was bar two.
39:20
Speaker 1: Isn't that wild? That Kiffen and Mullen are the only
39:23
Speaker 1: two coaches since twenty ten to improve coach effect at
39:29
Speaker 1: three different stops. Wild? I just that and both of
39:35
Speaker 1: them end up coaching in the state at rival schools.
39:40
Speaker 1: Is insane. When he told me that, I went, what
39:45
Speaker 1: And now, once you think about it and you start
39:48
Speaker 1: to roll through what the two of them did. You're like, oh,
39:50
Speaker 1: that makes sense. But Lane and Mullen will always be
39:56
Speaker 1: tied in here because of their because they were he
40:00
Speaker 1: and had success. I mean guys that come through and
40:02
Speaker 1: don't do any I mean Rick Ray and Matt Luke.
40:05
Speaker 1: I mean, people are you know, you're not going to
40:07
Speaker 1: do any kind of deep dive there. But the the
40:13
Speaker 1: the impact from from Kiffin and Mullen is just extraordinary.
40:19
Speaker 1: And here they are still coach. Of course Lane's at
40:22
Speaker 1: the Big Boy and this is where they both jumped
40:24
Speaker 1: off And wouldn't this wouldn't this be considered both of
40:27
Speaker 1: their like platform places where they just jumped smooth. I
40:32
Speaker 1: mean that you know Lane had doesn't go he had
40:34
Speaker 1: coached before. Obviously Dandy coached before. Well you never had
40:37
Speaker 1: coached before. But this was their coming out party was
40:40
Speaker 1: in Mississippi, both of them. Well Lane had already had
40:43
Speaker 1: a coming out party at Southern cal h as they
40:47
Speaker 1: head coach. So he was a he was a big
40:50
Speaker 1: you know, known name. I mean, Mullin got a little
40:53
Speaker 1: bit of buzz and love right at the end basically
40:58
Speaker 1: before Greg Burne interviewed. But that last season, I guess
41:03
Speaker 1: Dan got a little bit out from underneath Urban Shadow.
41:06
Speaker 1: But that was still before we were really talking about
41:11
Speaker 1: offensive coordinators and defensive coordinators. When did that happen shortly thereafter?
41:17
Speaker 1: But yeah, the last fifteen years, you know, we we've
41:22
Speaker 1: done more of that as Kirby Smart was at Alabama
41:25
Speaker 1: for several years and Dan was under Urban for four years.
41:30
Speaker 1: Is the play caller in Florida and so on. You know,
41:35
Speaker 1: we've had guys like Brent Bennables and of course Lane
41:38
Speaker 1: and Sark both went through Alabama as offensive coordinators. But
41:42
Speaker 1: we weren't doing that. That wasn't the talkie talkie and
41:47
Speaker 1: the scuttle butt within SEC restaurants and bars talking about
41:54
Speaker 1: OC's and d c's and now we know what a
41:57
Speaker 1: premium landing a good play caller is. You was there
42:01
Speaker 1: was there like someone that was just that good of
42:04
Speaker 1: an OC or DC then at that time where everyone
42:06
Speaker 1: was like, all right, maybe we need to start talking
42:07
Speaker 1: about these folks. You know, the first guys that I remember,
42:10
Speaker 1: they got some love. Mark Ricked went from Florida State
42:16
Speaker 1: to Georgia. He was Bobby Bowden's OC. Mickey Andrews was
42:24
Speaker 1: with Bobby Bowden for twenty five years, maybe longer at
42:28
Speaker 1: Florida State as defensive coordinator, and Bud Foster was with
42:33
Speaker 1: Frank Beemer for every bit of fifteen years, maybe more
42:39
Speaker 1: as a defensive coordinator. But those guys didn't leave for
42:44
Speaker 1: whatever reason, don't I don't really know, but those were
42:50
Speaker 1: some of the coordinators that It wasn't many though men.
42:54
Speaker 1: Bob Stoops kind of became a name under Spurrier and
42:57
Speaker 1: landed the Oklahoma job. This is late nineties h h.
43:04
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