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We Are the Best with Margaret Killjoy · The Bechdel Cast

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  Speaker 1: On the dol cast. The questions asked if movies have
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  Speaker 1: women in them, are all their discussions just boyfriends and husbands,
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  Speaker 1: or do they have individualism? The patriarchy? Zef In best
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  Speaker 1: start changing it with the beck del cat Jamie Caitlyn
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  Speaker 1: I I wanna hold the microphone and hosts the podcast.
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  Speaker 1: I I want to do the recap. What do you
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  Speaker 1: mean they're on day one. We said I was going
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  Speaker 1: to do the recap, and then you were going to
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  Speaker 1: not do the recap, and you said you were fine
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  Speaker 1: with that. Well I was lying, Okay, well it's too late.
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  Speaker 1: You can't. You can't. You can't date my brother. You can't.
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  Speaker 1: But he's so cute. What about my maybe? What about
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  Speaker 1: my dad? He plays the clarinet. I love the clarinet.
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  Speaker 1: Clear dad no longer passing the BECTL test. But Clarina Dad,
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  Speaker 1: Clara Dad had we Oh god, I love Clarina Dad.
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  Speaker 1: He just I'm like, don't even know if he was
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  Speaker 1: a good parent, but I loved clarinet. Hard to stay
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  Speaker 1: laugh at them. When the other girl's mom was like,
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to call the police, um, He's like, you
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  Speaker 1: can call the police about a bad haircut. Anyways of
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  Speaker 1: often the clarinet. Oh anyway, Welcome to the Becktel Cast.
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  Speaker 1: My name is Caitlin Darante. My name is Jamie Loftus,
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  Speaker 1: And this is our our little podcast where we have
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  Speaker 1: guests bring a movie that they love and then we
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  Speaker 1: look at it from an intersectional feminist lens, and we
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  Speaker 1: use the Bechdel Test as a jumping off point. Sure,
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  Speaker 1: and of course that is a media metric created by
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  Speaker 1: queer cartoonist Alison Bechtel, sometimes called the Bechtel Wallace Test,
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  Speaker 1: and there are many versions of the test. The one
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  Speaker 1: that we use is this, two characters of a marginalized
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  Speaker 1: gender have to have names, they have to speak to
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  Speaker 1: each other, and their conversation has to be about something
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  Speaker 1: other than a man. And for our purposes, we like
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  Speaker 1: it to be a substantial conversation, one that is many
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  Speaker 1: lines of dialogue and uh and like narratively meaningful arguments
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  Speaker 1: about God at the dinner table, if you will. Uh,
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  Speaker 1: but isn't God a man? And therefore Wow, Okay, I
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  Speaker 1: mean I don't think Yeah, part I was. I was like,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, we could really get in the weeds on
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  Speaker 1: on that. Um, that's true. Yeah, Look, I don't. Let's
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  Speaker 1: not get it. But you know, but I'm like, you know,
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  Speaker 1: we don't have to talk about I don't assign gender
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  Speaker 1: to God. Who God is to us? Right? And you
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  Speaker 1: know there's anyways okay, uh they we and and also
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  Speaker 1: the Bechdel Test is just a jumping off point for
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  Speaker 1: discussion in perfect metric, it's been it's been a wild
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  Speaker 1: summer for the Bechtel Test. They have just been the discourse.
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  Speaker 1: It's been wild. And um, you know, leave us alone
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  Speaker 1: is what I would say. We're just here to talk
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  Speaker 1: about movies and have some fun. And we have a
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  Speaker 1: hell of a movie to discuss today and a hell
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  Speaker 1: of a guest. Our guest is the host of Cool
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  Speaker 1: People Who Did Cool Stuff, the podcast from Cool Zone Media,
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  Speaker 1: and she's an author and musician and she's Margaret Killjoy. Hello, Hello,
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  Speaker 1: how are you. I'm good? Thanks for having me on.
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  Speaker 1: I'm really excited. Oh my gosh, thanks for being here. Look,
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  Speaker 1: we know that podcasts are an audio medium, but I
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  Speaker 1: do want listeners to know that Margaret has dressed for
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  Speaker 1: the occasion of the movie that we're talking about today,
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  Speaker 1: which is We Are the Best A k oh god
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  Speaker 1: v You're going to try to say this and v
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  Speaker 1: our boss. Look, huh I did, uh I I did
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  Speaker 1: a little bit of Do you remember when I was
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  Speaker 1: doing I was trying for two whole months. Yeah, I
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  Speaker 1: didn't get far. But we're covering a Swedish movie today
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  Speaker 1: called vr bost We are the Best. I'm very excited
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  Speaker 1: to talk about it. And Margaret, what is your relationship
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  Speaker 1: with this movie? So I did first see this movie,
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  Speaker 1: not not all that long ago, maybe five years ago
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  Speaker 1: or something or so I basically went through this period
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  Speaker 1: where I was like I'm going to watch all the
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  Speaker 1: girl punk movies and then kind of expanded out to
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  Speaker 1: like I'm going to watch all the punk movies, but
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  Speaker 1: and this is the one that I remember. UM. You know,
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  Speaker 1: I have I have many thoughts about the representation of
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  Speaker 1: punk in in media, but but we are the best,
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  Speaker 1: Like UM lives up to its name in terms of
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  Speaker 1: representation of punk as far as I'm concerned, especially like
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  Speaker 1: punk girlhood. So hell yeah, I'm very other opinion, I'm
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  Speaker 1: curious about your opinions and other what are the other
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  Speaker 1: Not to put you on the spot, but what are
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  Speaker 1: other good punk movies? So I actually think that the
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  Speaker 1: other best representation of punk in fiction is Green Room,
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  Speaker 1: which is a hard yeah yeah, okay. I think the
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  Speaker 1: fact that the punks in it don't dress like punks.
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  Speaker 1: I'm making air quotes here and end up like at
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  Speaker 1: some like Nazi venue and then play, um, I don't
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  Speaker 1: remember if you cuss on this show or not, and
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  Speaker 1: then play Nazi Punks funk off to a crowdfull of Nazis. Right.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like it's one of the punkest moments in cinema,
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  Speaker 1: and and very much I get the sense of, like, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: the people who made this, like, you know what the
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  Speaker 1: hell they're talking about. Um, I can't like wildly recommend it,
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  Speaker 1: right because this horror movie and um. But and then
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  Speaker 1: also the fact that in Green Room they all secretly
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  Speaker 1: also really like nonpunk music and like only one of
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  Speaker 1: them like actually has like their favorite band of all
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  Speaker 1: time is punk, and all the rest of them I'm
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  Speaker 1: not punk at all, And I think that is so
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  Speaker 1: accurate in rules. Um, and then the other the darkest
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  Speaker 1: if you want to, if you want to hear all
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  Speaker 1: of my negative thoughts about punk, I think the movie
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  Speaker 1: Suburbia is really accurate, the one that has Flea from
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  Speaker 1: Red Hot Chili peppers and non actors. I was fully
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  Speaker 1: thinking of Disturbia and that's on me, like the Chila
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  Speaker 1: buff movie. Right, there's this movie, I think it's from
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  Speaker 1: the eighties. It's called Suburbia and it's about these squater
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  Speaker 1: punks in California and they're all racist and misogynists and
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  Speaker 1: from broken homes. And it's very accurate in a very
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  Speaker 1: disturbing way. Um in a lot of ways. And it's
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  Speaker 1: a lot of like non actors in it, so you
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  Speaker 1: get this like weird sense of realism from watching these
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  Speaker 1: non actors who kind of look like they're just being
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  Speaker 1: themselves in slightly awkwardly. Um. So, if I were to
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  Speaker 1: pick accurate representations of punk, uh we are the best
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  Speaker 1: would be the one that I would be like, look
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  Speaker 1: punk rules and Herbia would be the like. Also, it's
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  Speaker 1: really dark and bad. Sometimes I didn't prepare this list.
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  Speaker 1: There's probably others that people are going to get mad
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  Speaker 1: at me for Caitl what's your history with this movie? Um?
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  Speaker 1: I saw it m probably also around five years ago,
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  Speaker 1: and I don't remember exactly what brought me to it,
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  Speaker 1: maybe aside from I think someone just recommending it to
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  Speaker 1: me and saying that it was really good and that
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  Speaker 1: I'd probably like it, and they were right. I think
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  Speaker 1: this movie rules, and I think it is because I
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  Speaker 1: can't speak to punk at all. I'm extremely on punk,
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  Speaker 1: at least as far as punk music goes. I would
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  Speaker 1: say I'm punk in other ways, which is the maybe
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  Speaker 1: least punk thing to say. I don't know, but I
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  Speaker 1: think it is one of the most authentic and accurate
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  Speaker 1: depictions of just being a thirteen year old girl that
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  Speaker 1: I've ever seen. Um and like the things that you
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  Speaker 1: talk about with your friends, the things that you care about,
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  Speaker 1: the little just like the little things you do and say.
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  Speaker 1: And I'm just like, yeah, all that stuff. When the
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  Speaker 1: moment where Clara and whatever the punk boy are on
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  Speaker 1: the roof, Bobo's like yeah, and and Bobo is like,
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to jump off the roof just kidding. I
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  Speaker 1: was like, oh that. It's like such an uncomfortable moment
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  Speaker 1: of feeling like, oh, no, I've been that person. It's like,
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  Speaker 1: ha ha, hey, guys, I'm gonna jump off the roof.
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  Speaker 1: Is this cool? And They're like, don't stop, stop embarrassing
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  Speaker 1: h So I just loved the depiction of of girlhood
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  Speaker 1: in the movie. Jamie, what is your history and relationship
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  Speaker 1: with it? Very short? I had not seen this movie before.
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  Speaker 1: It's been recommended to me before, as I have like
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  Speaker 1: a lot of Lucas Moody sn um joints, but this
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  Speaker 1: was the first one that I've seen, and I had
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  Speaker 1: such a great time with it. This is like it's
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  Speaker 1: so cool watching kids like Bobo and Clara because like
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  Speaker 1: I was, my dad is a huge punk fan, and
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  Speaker 1: like I grew up with punk, but I never had
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  Speaker 1: the self confidence to like do it myself. Like I
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  Speaker 1: was like a kind of a closet punk fan where
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  Speaker 1: I really liked it, but I was like aesthetically I
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  Speaker 1: I just I could never I can't pull a off,
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  Speaker 1: and I like used to you know, I've talked about
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  Speaker 1: this on the show before, but like in at like
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  Speaker 1: this age, I was like so taken by like punk kids,
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  Speaker 1: hot topic, goth kids and like juggalos, and I just
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  Speaker 1: like I love them all I was. I went and
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  Speaker 1: but I like wore a back brace. When I was thirteen,
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  Speaker 1: I was like, there, they'll never accept me, even though
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  Speaker 1: they were so nice, like tended to be really really
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  Speaker 1: nice groups of kids. Um. But yeah, I've been a
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  Speaker 1: sideline lover of um of the punk esthetic and I
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  Speaker 1: loved going to like man the Boston punk scene in
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  Speaker 1: the early two thousand tens. If you're there, you're there,
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  Speaker 1: and it was beautiful. Um So this was so cool.
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  Speaker 1: I wish that I had uh more punk childhood. Um
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  Speaker 1: So seeing this was very awesome and also, like like
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  Speaker 1: you were saying, like just the like being a thirteen
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  Speaker 1: year old in general is like represented in such a
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  Speaker 1: cringe e good way here where I really admire writers
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  Speaker 1: that can like still access that part of them. I
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  Speaker 1: feel like I really buried it because when you see it,
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  Speaker 1: you're like, oh, yes, this is too familiar, and I
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  Speaker 1: hate that I used to be this awful way. Yeah
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  Speaker 1: it's like right, um but yeah no, I uh because
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  Speaker 1: this was um This is directed by Lucas Moodyson, adapted
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  Speaker 1: from a graphic novel by Coco his wife. His wife,
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  Speaker 1: um Coco moods in Yes so um So. Shout out
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  Speaker 1: to Coco, who uh was really able to tap into
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  Speaker 1: a lot of the very uncomfortable, cringe e ways that
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  Speaker 1: thirteen year olds behaved, but in a way that I
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  Speaker 1: find myself when I write young characters, if I want
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  Speaker 1: them to seem good. I like, I want to uh
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  Speaker 1: sand off the rough hedges, and I'm like, I shouldn't.
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  Speaker 1: I really shouldn't. It's like so endearing when oh, man,
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  Speaker 1: there's just so many bobo moments where you're just like, buddy, buddy, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and should oh you just how hard? Um? Uh not
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  Speaker 1: bobo not head veg. What's the third punk Clara? Clara?
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  Speaker 1: How hard? Clara is trying to be so hard and
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  Speaker 1: so punk and she just has this loving, supportive family
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  Speaker 1: who just like wants what's best for her and her
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  Speaker 1: like her post punk brother who's a sellout because he's
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  Speaker 1: post punk and like, and she's just like I I
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  Speaker 1: don't see myself in her. I would have wanted to
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  Speaker 1: be best friends with me. And I get the isling
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  Speaker 1: that the writer also kind of probably is most self
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  Speaker 1: insert bobo. I was definitely more of a bobo myself.
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  Speaker 1: I was. I was a bobo, And I also had
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  Speaker 1: some notes of head vig where I was like, no, swearing,
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  Speaker 1: drinking is bad for you. Stop um Clara. Man, we
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  Speaker 1: all want to be Clara, but but then also, but
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  Speaker 1: you know, you know, not everyone can have a clarinet. Dad.
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  Speaker 1: It's a game changer. Also, it turns out that Coco
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  Speaker 1: Moody sen what is the word I'm thinking of, like
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  Speaker 1: lemony snake it? Oh, a pseudonym A pseudonym? Yes, wow, okay,
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  Speaker 1: sorry for just throwing lemony ticket. So but her first name,
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  Speaker 1: her first name is head Vig. So, so I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: maybe maybe a head vegus her insert. I don't know
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  Speaker 1: when I know that the the director is Christian Oh,
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  Speaker 1: I did not know that. Interesting me either, I would
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  Speaker 1: not have guessed that necessarily. It wasn't in a very like,
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  Speaker 1: very positive way. You know. I get really excited when
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  Speaker 1: I I'm not really personally attached to any particular religious affiliation,
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  Speaker 1: but I get really excited when people use religion as
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  Speaker 1: a reason to be like good, you know. And So
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  Speaker 1: I actually didn't know it the first time I watched it,
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  Speaker 1: but I did more research before I watched it this time,
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  Speaker 1: and I was like kind of looking for that, and
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  Speaker 1: I was like, oh, I I totally see that. Mm hmm,
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  Speaker 1: that makes sense. I mean it's like the religion. I
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  Speaker 1: feel like the way that religions treated in the movie
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  Speaker 1: is very like even keeled and like what you see
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  Speaker 1: present of head VIGs religion seems to be like generally positive,
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  Speaker 1: where like she just shows a lot of empathy and like,
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  Speaker 1: doesn't you know, I guess doesn't drink a whole bottle
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  Speaker 1: of wine when she's thirteen. You're like, these seems like
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  Speaker 1: generally good things. I guess, um, but I also love
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  Speaker 1: hearing Clara be Like, I don't believe in God. I
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  Speaker 1: believe in catchup. So a lot of points are made,
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  Speaker 1: a lot of good points. I want to say that
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  Speaker 1: you're you're you're worried about not being cool ugh for
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  Speaker 1: the punk aesthetic, um, just to out myself as opposer.
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  Speaker 1: I got my first punk vest in my thirties because
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  Speaker 1: I don't think I was punk enough, even though I
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  Speaker 1: was like a squatter who spent all of her time
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  Speaker 1: at punctious. I was like, because I wasn't a teenage punk,
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  Speaker 1: I was a teenage magoth essentially very cool. Yeah, and
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  Speaker 1: so so my mother Actually I asked for one for Christmas,
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  Speaker 1: and my mother got me a vest and then I
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  Speaker 1: put a patch on it. Um, so it's never too late. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that is that is very motivating because it does feel
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  Speaker 1: like and then I'm like, maybe this is a construction
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  Speaker 1: of my mind. It does feel like teenagers really get
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  Speaker 1: keep the punk aesthetic, but it's never I think we
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  Speaker 1: should we should pivot to being punks. I would be
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  Speaker 1: very into that. I really would. I was, And also
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  Speaker 1: the punk outfit that this movie. They're all so good.
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  Speaker 1: They're all especially when the boys are trying a little
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  Speaker 1: too hard and the girls have it just right and
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  Speaker 1: it's just it's great, it's great. Who is at And
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  Speaker 1: they're like gate keeping, They're like, yeah, of you. Yeah
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  Speaker 1: they call them a proger, which I don't know what
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  Speaker 1: that man and I forgot to look it up, but
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  Speaker 1: I rock, but I'm not sure. Yeah, oh I thought.
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  Speaker 1: I just was like they're in Europe, they're talking about
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  Speaker 1: the city. I don't understand, but but yeah, I looked
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  Speaker 1: it up and they're like, um, hey, goofs. They actually
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  Speaker 1: mean prog rock. You're like, oh yeah, eight two that
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  Speaker 1: makes sense. I love when they bring up Joy Division
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  Speaker 1: as a pejure have, Like there's just so many good
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  Speaker 1: so many good moments. It's very fun. Should I recap
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  Speaker 1: the story? No? I would know, Wait, okay, wait, what
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  Speaker 1: worth it? Because my favorite movie growing up with School
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  Speaker 1: of Rock, Like, like, I just loved it so much
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  Speaker 1: and this movie. I love that both of these movies
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  Speaker 1: exist because this is like an accurate depiction of what
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  Speaker 1: a children's band would be, which is very bad. They
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  Speaker 1: are not very good their instruments. The song absolutely sucks.
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  Speaker 1: I felt, mean, I had like an inner like I
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  Speaker 1: don't know if this is like my inner aunt or whatever,
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  Speaker 1: but I'm like, Headwicks should go solo. I don't know
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  Speaker 1: what she's doing hanging out with these dorks, like and
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  Speaker 1: then I'm like, wait, no, no, no, they need each other.
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  Speaker 1: But I'm like, it makes such a talent they do.
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  Speaker 1: They need the energy, you know they yeah, and and
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  Speaker 1: they give head Vig her edge, and head Vig brings
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  Speaker 1: the christ the talent, mediation and being able to play
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  Speaker 1: the guitar. So everyone's got you all. We all bring
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  Speaker 1: something to the tables. Honest, Bobo, you gotta love Bobo.
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  Speaker 1: But Bobo brings heart, which is like a really nice
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  Speaker 1: way of calling someone a flop. And they're like, no, no, no,
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  Speaker 1: she's she's the heart. Gotta have her. I hope it
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  Speaker 1: does improve at the drums later on. It's true and
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  Speaker 1: in her descent, she never wanted to play the drums
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  Speaker 1: and still doesn't seem to want to at the end.
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  Speaker 1: Oh okay, so here is the recap again, so not
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  Speaker 1: punk of Me. To recap the movie, here we go
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  Speaker 1: great joy division of you Kalin. Alright, So we are
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  Speaker 1: in Stockholm, Sweden. Ever heard of it? In the year two,
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  Speaker 1: we meet Bobo. She is a thirteen year old girl
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  Speaker 1: who is bored at her mom's birthday party, so she
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  Speaker 1: goes into her room and she calls her best friend Clara.
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  Speaker 1: They both love punk music. They've both got these punk
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  Speaker 1: rock haircuts, and they are trying which of them is
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  Speaker 1: the most oppressed by their parents, right, who both come
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  Speaker 1: from supportive families, but they are very typical teenagers in
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  Speaker 1: the way that they have, you know, difficult relationships with
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  Speaker 1: their parents and their families. And we see them not
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  Speaker 1: really fitting in with the other girls at school who
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  Speaker 1: tell them that punk is dead, and they're like, no,
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  Speaker 1: it's not those i They're also just like, I don't
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  Speaker 1: know the specificity of how they wrote this movie, where
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  Speaker 1: like Clara wants to be political in the way that
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  Speaker 1: like punks are political, but she like doesn't quite know
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  Speaker 1: what she's talking about, but like no one around her
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  Speaker 1: has enough information to say she's wrong, And I was like, oh,
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  Speaker 1: this is a very thirteen year old experience where she's
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  Speaker 1: like nuclear and and you're just like yeah, and your
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  Speaker 1: skin is gonna fall off. It's the same as God, yes, right,
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  Speaker 1: um okay. So Bobo and Clara go to a youth
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  Speaker 1: center where they hear this band called Iron Fists, which
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: are like older maybe like late teens, early twenties perhaps
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: um boys who are playing, and Bobo and Clara want
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: to play music too, so they tell these, uh the
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: one of the adults at the youth center that they
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: have a band, and they sign up for a spot
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: to play, and they bury these adults just like those
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: two guys. I don't know what their character's names are,
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: but they are such goofy like dudes in their forties
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: who like probably wanted to be musicians but it didn't
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: work out for them and was a genuine rivalry with
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: thirteen year olds and multiple times it's so fun to watch.
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: So Bobo and Clara start messing around on the only
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: instruments that they have at this youth center, which is
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: a drum set and a bass guitar, and neither of
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: them know how to play these instruments, so there they
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: sound terrible, but they have a ton of fun and
• 22:03
  Speaker 1: they start talking and they talk about like starting a
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: band for real. They both want to play bass, but
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: Clara is like, no, Bobo, you are really good at
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: the drums. You should play the drums. And she's like, okay,
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: I guess. So then back at so then back at school,
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: the girls are in gym class, which they hate, and
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: the gym teacher gives them a hard time, so they
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: start writing lyrics to a song called hate the Sport,
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: and it's still go to continually draw comparisons between We're
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: the best in School of Rock, but it really reminds
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: me of the first song they write in School of Rock,
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: where the legend of the rent was way hardcore, right.
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: I almost forgot about that. Um. So they are writing
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: lyrics to hot the Sport and they try to get
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: a bought on their school's upcoming like fall concert slash
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: talent show thing, but there are no open spots so
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: they can't play. But they go to the show and
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: UH make fun of most of the acts, which was
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: fun to watch except for one girl, head Vig, who
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: plays a song on the acoustic guitar and she plays
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: it pretty well. Bobo is the most punk of them all.
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: When they when they're like, why is she keep doing this?
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: They're always booing her and then she like shreds on
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: the Christian guitar and I love head Vig mhm um.
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: So seeing her play well, Bobo gets the idea to
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: have head Vig join their band. The only trouble is
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: that she is a Christian who doesn't play punk music.
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: And Bobo and Clara tell head Vig that they like
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: her music and they asked her to be in the band. Um,
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: and hed Vig is like, well, I also hate sports,
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: so sure, so she joins the band. She teaches them
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: a couple of things, and then they start to hang
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: out and become friends. There's a scene where they find
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: some yarn that was thrown away in these big garbage bags,
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: so they're like, pick it up and they start playing
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: with it and cutting it up, and then Bobo cuts
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: her hand. Um they're there, Oh no, I was just
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: thinking about, like, I've only been to Sweden once, but
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: it is interesting when you spend time in a country
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: that has health insurance, the way people navigate the world
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: is just a little bit different. They're like, yeah, you know,
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: if I get hurt, I'll just go to the doctor.
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: Like they're just like I don't know, like watching how
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: they were just like, yeah, let's bring some trash home wind,
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: not let's use a knife like I just I remember
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: once um staying with a friend of mine in a
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: squat in France and she caught her I can't remember
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: what something was wrong with her hand, like something fairly bad,
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: and we're like, oh no, how are we going to
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: handle this. We're like like googling things like I'm gonna
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna reach out to my ex boyfriend who's kind
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: of a doctor. Now. She's like, I can just go
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: to the doctor tomorrow, And what do you mean? Water punk? Like,
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: how are you going to just go to the anyway? Yep, ye,
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: punks can go to the doctor here. It's so wild.
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: There one that I went to, like, well, I went
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: to Stockholm. We went to like this Swedish theme park
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: and I'm like there's no rules here, you can just
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: fall down and like it was just like it was
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: so fun. But you're just like, wow, I didn't realize
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: how American healthcare brain. I was like, we need we
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: needed better safety procedures. These children are just taking like
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: hard falls right and left, but just taking to the doctor.
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: Are all fine? Well, the only thing though is that
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: Bobo cuts her hand pretty severely. But then they don't
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: go to the doctor. That's true, it's months for a
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: long time. Yeah, I mean, I'm excited to talk about
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: Bobo's relationship with her mom because I was like, I
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: there's a lot of ambiguity going on there with her
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: and her mom. I'm it's interested to talk about it.
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: But I was just like, oh, no, Bobo Boo should
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: have gone to the doctor. But they're very punk, so
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: they're too punk for that too. For the pediatrician. That
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: should have been one of their songs. Oh my gosh. Um,
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: then we'll speaking of Bobo's parents. Bobo's dad comes to visit. Um,
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: it's clear that she and him are not close, and
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: she wants to hang out with Clara instead when they're
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: supposed to be having like a nice family dinner with
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: her death with Bobo's dad and mom. But she's like,
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: I want to go hang out with my friends. Screw dessert.
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: Another great screw dessert. Another could have been song. Um.
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: So then Bobo goes to Clara's place where Clara's brother
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: Linus is having a party. Um, Bobo and Clara get
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: drunk and they pressure head head Vig into drinking also,
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: but she doesn't want to and she leaves. Meanwhile, Bobo
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: has a crush onlineus and she expresses concern that she'll
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: never find a boyfriend and nobody thinks she's cute. Um.
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: Another there's like all these specific thirteen year old moments,
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: but like when like an older sibling that you have
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: a crush on, like when he like touches her hair
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: and you're like, oh my god, I love how friendly
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: all of his all of his friends were like concerned
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: about the thirteen year olds. They weren't like trying to
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: hang out with the thirteen year olds. But they're all like,
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: oh are they okay? Like what's up? They were all
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: they weren't like, ah, I can't believe your sisters here,
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: you know, they're just like here. I like when they're
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: like are you drunk? Are you okay? They're just everyone's
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: so wholesome, Clara's whole eating, Clara's whole family. I'm like,
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: what a sweet, sweet family. They really they really raised
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: some some weird punk kids, even like the youngest sibling,
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: I forget what his name is is like cow or
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: cow or something. I just off man younger sibling. I mean,
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: you could read a whole thesis on younger siblings in cinema,
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: because usually they're just like annoying and suck and are
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: like always planning, you know, elaborate schemes. But I like
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: that he's just like a doorway brother and he's always
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: just kind of like hey, and then he just leaves.
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: Like that's a more realistic younger sibling depict just someone
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: cackling while you're getting in trouble from the doorway working
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: in cash. Then Bobo and Clara go over to hed
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: Vig's house and they have a They have a discussion
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: about whether or not any whether or not they believe
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: in God. Um, they kind of peer pressure head Vig
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: into cutting her long hair, which Hedvig's mom is very
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: unhappy about when she finds out, and she tells them
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: that she's going to report Bobo and Clara to the
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: police unless they start going to church with her and
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: believing in God and becoming Christians work. And at first
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: you're like, oh my god, she's serious, and then Bobo
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: and Clara like, you can't do that. You can't force
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: us to go to church, and her mom was like,
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: well you can't, Well you forced my daughter to get
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: a hair cut, and we think that what's going on?
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: And then so the next day at school, had Vig
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: doesn't sit with them at lunch, but it's because she
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: thinks Bobo and Clara are mad at her because of
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: what her mom did. And she's like, like, I was
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: just so embarrassed with my mom. And but you're also like,
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: she probably also didn't want to cut her hair, right,
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: But did you ever have like a parent moment where
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: I feel like I rarely like went through with it,
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: but like when your parents like, just blame it on me,
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: I don't care, Like my mom like would be like,
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: I don't care if I look silly to your friends,
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: just don't do a bad Like I would have totally
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: blamed that all on my mom, even if I secretly,
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: like I did feel pure pressured into getting the haircut.
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: Mm hmm yeah um, and and not good good for
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: moms for doing that. You know, you know, moms don't
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: need other thirteen year old girls. They think they're cool,
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: and I celebrate that so true. The three girls makeup
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: and they have a little food fight at lunch, they
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: have more brand they and then they have more band
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: practice and they start to write another song. They ask
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: strangers for money so that they can buy an electric guitar,
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: which they don't make enough money for, so they instead
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: spend the money they did make on a bunch of
• 31:27
  Speaker 1: junk food that they pig out on. Can I tell
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: a story about women asking for money in Sweden? That's
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: a really random story, Yes? Please? I was. I was
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: hitchhiking through Sweden in my early twenties and I have
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: any money, and I was like in Helsingborg and I
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: was trying to get to Stockholm, sitting in a park,
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: and these these group of young women are like hey, hey, hey,
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: and I'm like, I don't speak Swedish and they're like
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: will you And I'm not out as trans at this point. Um,
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: I actually don't remember if I'm wearing a dress or not,
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: but but I'm like presenting as a boy, even if
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: I'm wearing women's and they're like, will you wrestle us
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: for money? You give us money and we wrestle you
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: and that's how we're raising enough money for her wedding
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: and their their wedding was that they were wrestling random
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: boys in the park. I explained that I did not
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: have any money, and they promptly moved on. But that
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: that I can't to wrap my head around all. I
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: have no idea what happened there? Is this a normal thing?
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: Were they hitting on me? Was it just a weird
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: checking thing? I don't know. I have no idea. What
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: is that? Just a very common Swedish thing? We don't know?
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: Do yeah? Do swees just have very inventive ways of
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: making money? That seems possible. How far they got in
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: this venture, It makes it sound like the way you
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: describe it makes it seems like they felt there was
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: some sort of demand for this, you know. I yeah,
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: it seems like they're going to pay for a wedding
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: with this. Yeah, tens of thousands of dollars that a
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: wedding costs. They were going to somehow raise that by
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: challenging people to wrestle them, especially, I don't know. The
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: whole thing made no sense to me. That's fascinating, Okay.
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: I hope that they had the best wedding ever. So
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: the girls, they eat a bunch of junk food. They're
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: also gushing over this article by this punk band of
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: teen boys. So they call these boys and arranged to
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: meet up there, like your punks were punks, We have
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: to meet up. It's fate, and they're so exactly. So
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: they meet up. They think it's going to be three
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: boys in this band, but it's only two of them
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: because they've already divvied up the boys. That's yeah, they're like,
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: you're going to get with this one. And one of
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: the boys was a poser is the biggest problem, right,
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: because he liked a band noise, so they kicked him out.
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: So it's just the two boys and the three girls
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: and they go to their and they go to the
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: boys rehearsal space. They hang out and I like the
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: the um it was. It was. It was fun um so,
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: but because they're out kind of like outnumbered, Bobo is
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: left out and she's sort of like the fifth wheel,
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: and she's jealous because she clearly liked the boy Ellis well,
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: and that was claims the agreement, right Clara. Clara's like,
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: Ellis will be yours and David will be mine, but
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: David's the guy who's not there, So Clara kind of
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: claims Ellis for herself, and now Bobo is the awkward
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: fifth wheel. Well, and the boys called called it to
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: the boys of their conversation where they divvy up the
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: girls which they don't remember the names of, and they're
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: just like, oh, yeah, the one with the scarf, like,
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: I'll tell her, sucking thirteen year old boys. I do
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: think that is how boys. They're like, Oh, at least
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: they did it by like scarfs and not like hair color,
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: because I feel like so many men are just like
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: so reductive about women. They're like, oh the blonde, the burnette. Um, okay,
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: so they're in Sweden. You can't do that. It's never
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: mind everyone's blonde. This is not true at all. But
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: I apologized, sweet listen, Yeah, but a lot of you
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: are blonde to be fair shots fired the youth center
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: that the girls go. Tom says that they've been invited
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: to bring a few bands to play at another youth
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: center's winter concert, and they want Bobo and Clara and
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: head VIGs band who I don't do we ever learn
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: the name of their band. I don't explain the same thing, Okay,
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: I was like, did I miss something? Um, they didn't
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: get that. Yeah, so they're so punk that they don't
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: even need a name. So their band is invited to play,
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: and those two guys at the youth center, Um, they
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: bought an electric guitar. Finally, and we see head Vig
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: showing off her guitar playing skills and everyone is very impressive. Waita,
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: the the thing about being an all girl band. This
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: is one of my favorite moments of the whole movie.
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: So I want to interject because it's like, I mean,
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: I guess the only thing worse than being a girl
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: band is to be a female fronted band. You know.
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: Um in terms of just like the annoying thing, I
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: just as someone who's in a girl band, Um, I'm
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: really excited that they just were like immediately their thirteen
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: and they're like, no, no, we're not we are girls
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: who were in the band. Anyway, it's like my favorite
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: feminist moment of the movie. It does kind of remind
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: me a little bit of just because it's still it's
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: like so ridiculous that whatever this movie takes place in
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: eighty two and this ship still happens all the time,
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: and it's just so annoying or just it's the same
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: as like women in comedy questions And I was just
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: gonna say, yeah, like, yeah, not great. Could stop, like
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: and this is a part of why it's not great,
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: Like yeah, oh my gosh, I can't tell you how
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: many times I've been asked like is it hard to
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: be a female comedian? And I'm just like, right now,
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: it's hard to be a comedian. It's hard to be
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: a woman. So yeah, like what do you want me
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: to say? Like, yeah, shut up? What the I mean?
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: What the fund do? Like sis, white straight men have
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: to make jokes about because isn't one of the main
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: I'm not a comedian, but it seems like bad things
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: happening based on people making assumptions about you is one
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: of the main sources of comedy, Like yeah, a big one.
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: Well now with the well is deeper for everyone else.
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: Now it's truly can't You can't say or do anything anymore.
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: That's the news. I forgot that. Here's the thing. PC
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: culture is ruining comedy. So yeah, they can't really talk.
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: I don't even know how to like start a conversation anymore,
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: Like how do you even start? Can talk to answers? No,
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: if you're thinking about it, if you're not sure the answers, no,
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: I can't even I can't even just hang out someone's
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: d M s un answered, send them a new message
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: every day without people getting upset. You really just can't
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: harass people like you used to, you know. So they
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: get invited to this winter concert. Um, but Bobo is
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: still sour about the um Clara and Ellis thing, and
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: Clara's like, well, Alis never calls me. Cut to Bobo
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: calling Ellis and arranging to hang out with them, just
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: the two of with him, just the two of them.
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: I was floored. I was florida that this happened. I
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: truly gasped. I didn't know. I didn't know she had
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: that rage. I did know because I feel like I
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: did something like that as a t God, you're so
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: much braver than I am. I would have I would
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: have just fumed in silence for twenty years and then
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: brought it up on this podcast at some point. So
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: do you want to shout someone out right now? From
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: by the way there, Wait, Kitlen, you did something like this,
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: that's so? What did you do? So? Okay? I had
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: so my best friend in my school. We both so
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: there was a group of three, a trio of boys
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: who were a year or two older than us, and
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: they were best friends, and me and my best friend
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: were a little duo and we all like basically just
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: all dated each other. But like, but at first it
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: was like, well I like this one, so he's off
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: limits to you. And then and then eventually we just
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: like worked both worked our way through all three of them.
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: But to start, it was like, well, no, I've I
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: have staked claim on this one. But then like I
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: kind of moved on to the guy that she briefly
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: liked and dated and then but he was off limits
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: to me. But I was like, you know what, he
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: likes me, So what am I going to deny myself happiness?
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: And it was you know, it wasn't great. I don't
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: I'm not proud of myself, but look it happened, and
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: I think the only thing I've done that's approached I
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: didn't do that in like when middle school. In high school,
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: I started dating someone who was off limits and someone
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: threw a watermelon on my lawn. No water full watermelon,
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: a watermelon, they said water bong. I just I think
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: they just like went to Shaws and bought a watermelon.
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: It just chucked it on my lawn to let them
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: know that they knew that I was I was dating
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: someone off limits mm hmm. But it sent the message,
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: I don't know, pretty punk thing to do, throw a watermelon.
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: It was pretty cool of them to do. I didn't.
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: I didn't, you know, I didn't stop dating the person
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: after that, which that's on me because it is It's
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: like one thing to be like, I'm doing something that's wrong,
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: but then in the back of your head you're like,
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: but I haven't experienced a consequence, so maybe it's not wrong.
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: And then the watermelon lands, and then you're like, no,
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: this is wrong. What what an interesting worries we're all sharing?
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we're really all letting it rip. I've never
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: done anything wrong, so well obviously yeah yeah, um okay,
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: you are the head vig of the group. Wow, um okay.
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: So uh So Bobo and Ellis hang out and it's
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: a little flirty. He puts his arm around her, he
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: tickles her wrist um and and he's like, but I
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: have to break up with Clara first, which he never does.
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: And then they're heading to the New Year's they're kind
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: of not invited to anymore. He goes them both and
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: then Bobo tells Clara that Ellis cheated on Clara with Bobo,
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: and they get in a huge fight and Clara is furious,
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: but at the encouragement of head Vig, they eventually make
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: up and become friends again. And then it's time for
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: the concert, so they go to this seems like kind
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: of like a remote, far away town and it's like
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: like a distant y m C a kind of vibe. Yeah,
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: And then so they start playing their song Hot the Sport,
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: and everyone screams at them and calls them ugly and
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: says that they're common communists and they're like, you suck,
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: and the girls in the band are like, we don't suck.
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: You suck, and we are the best and that is
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: the name of the movie. And then the movie ends
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: with um, like the girls talking to those two youth
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: center guys and they're like, you need to show some respects, like, um,
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: screw you. And then there's a scene like a fast
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: food place where they're like goofing around and that's the
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: end of the movie. You forgot about the dad playing
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: clarinet pants around his ankles. Clarinet, feminist icon, clarinet. We
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: should all be so truly. Um. Okay, so let's take
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: a quick break and then we will come back to
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: discuss and we're back, and we're back. Where do we
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: want to start? I mean, there's a few different kind
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: of thematic cornerstones I suppose of the movie that I
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: really enjoy. Okay, what do I have writing stone? I
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: would never bring it up, but um, I mean, I
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: love the female friendship as it is at the center
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: of this movie. I love the like kind of beauty
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: standards and the rejecting of beauty standards is a large
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: component of this movie. I like that, um kind of
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: like the men around them often assume that they can't
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: really do anything or that they're not good at things
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: because they're girls. That's a component of this movie. Again.
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: I love just the what feels like a very authentic
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: depiction of the horrors of being thirteen and just all
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: the nuances you get that you normally don't see in
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: a movie about thirteen year old girls, one because there
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: are hardly any movies about thirteen year old girls, and
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: two if they are, if there is a story about them,
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: it's it just feels like a very like cartoony Hollywood
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: eyes version, which can be fun, but it's like there's
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: just not enough of projects like this around right year
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: old actors. Yeah, exactly, actual kids, Yeah, because I feel
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: like thirteen year olds you just add three or four
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: years in like, which is like part of why eighth grade,
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: I feel like was such was so cool for a
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: lot of people to see because you're like, oh, yeah,
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: this is what an eighth grader looks like. Where and
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: again not so, I feel like I've been bringing up
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: to Grassy on every single episode recently. I don't know why,
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: but like that was my only yardstick as a kid
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: for like media for kids that were played by kids
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: that were at the correct age and weren't like c
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: W teens who are like my age. Yeah, there's there's
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: a lot to love about it, and not really anything
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: that I have any complaints about. One thing I really
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: liked because we recently covered Margaret. Have you seen Turning Red?
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: I haven't know. It's cute, it's a new Dizzey movie.
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: It's also like a girlhood coming of age movie. And
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: one thing that like I've I liked that these movies,
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: I mean, the movies have very not a lot in
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: common to a rights is about turning into a Panda.
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: But but I did like, um, the way that like
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: the girls are like are like going through period. They're
• 47:15
  Speaker 1: like starting to feel like come into their own in
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: terms of their sexuality, but they also like I like
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: that the movie doesn't ignore that, but it also doesn't
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: do what I think a lot of teen media does,
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: which is like push them into situations that they're not
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: ready for or able to handle, which is such a
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: tough line to tell. I feel like you see a
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: lot of that in Bobo, where she like has a
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: crush on an older boy, but like isn't going to
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: do anything about it, Like she's just going to be
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: weird whenever he's around. And when the thirteen, when you
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: know she hangs out with um, I keep wanting to
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: call him Elon, which is all us. When she hangs
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: out with Ellis, both of them have no idea what
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: to do, but he still manages to be an asshole,
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: which is a hallmark of thirteen year old boys. But
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: he like, I just liked it. I don't want to
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: defend him super high, right because he goes both of
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: them or whatever, But it's like there were so many
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: ways that if this was a Hollywood movie, he would
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: have been way the hell worse, right, and yeah, he was.
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: He like, I think most ghosting is people being like,
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: I don't know what I'm supposed to do here, so
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: I'm going to not think about it, right, and so
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: so he's like, I don't know, I don't know how
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: to date. I don't know what I'm doing, so I
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: will be distant in a way that hurts people. But
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: you know, like I'm worried I'm cheating because I like
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: touched your hand, you know, I know the thirteen year
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: old definition of cheating and also of being together is
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: like like, oh we hung out one time, we're dating,
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: we're together. You know. Normally we examine a movie that
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: as like a hetero romance and we're often like why
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: is this here, or like it'll feel very wedged in,
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: or we're just there's a lot to especially right, But
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: in this movie, it just it feels very true. But
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: in this movie it just feels very organic, organic and
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: like it belongs because we are seeing these girls and
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: their friendship and like the whole spectrum of what it
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: is to be, uh, someone of that age, which is yes,
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: having interests in something, and for them it's music, um,
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: whether it's like to listen to it and then eventually
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: to start playing it. Um it's uh issues or just
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: whatever complications anything like that with your family. And we
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: see that in um, all of the girls, and it's
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: an interest in uh whatever we're like in other people romantically. Um,
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: And we see that. So it's just like and it's
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: like you know, going to school, it's going to your
• 50:08
  Speaker 1: youth center. It's like all the things that kids do.
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: And we just see that entire scope of their lives
• 50:17
  Speaker 1: versus a lot of stories will be like, oh, well
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: they're a team girl, so the only thing they think
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: about is boys. Um, But it's like, no, we get
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: the whole spectrum of their lives here. There's just as
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: much time spent on them trying to figure out how
• 50:30
  Speaker 1: they feel about religion as there is that like on yeah,
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: figuring out how they feel about like different romantic interests,
• 50:41
  Speaker 1: which is cool. Yeah. It's like, I I like how
• 50:43
  Speaker 1: this movie is very like Vignetti and there like here's
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: a here's a kid thing, remember this, and it's like
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: slowly leading up to something. It's probably how like because
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: it you know, is based on this sort of autobiographical
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: graphic novel and you know, I assume the yarn incident right,
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: Like the yarn incident doesn't narratively tie in. I mean
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: they managed to pull it off because at the end
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: they're like fishing with the yarn out the window for
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: fun and like and you know, getting cut while cutting
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: up random yarn you pull out of the trash scene
• 51:15
  Speaker 1: is like very emotional and impactful, but it's such a
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: a random moment that I assume that this has happened,
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: you know, right right, and like too specific to not
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: be real. And they still managed to get like that
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: awesome moment out of um out of it too, where
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: like that's there, like huge, that's like, isn't that That's
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: like the first moment where you're like, oh, Headvig is
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: like permanently in the group, part of the group, even
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: though she was the one who didn't want to go
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: dumpster diving or whatever, you know, and was afraid of
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: stealing someone's thrown out. Yeah, she's like this is someone
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: else's and it's wet, why are we playing with it? Like, Okay,
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: head Vig had some points. She made some point, some
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: better boundaries. I feel like a lot of movies would
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: go down a route of like, oh, well, a new
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: friend gets introduced so one of the others gets really
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: jealous or like, this new friend comes along and she
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: feels like the odd one out because there's already an
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: established friendship with these other two, which is a real
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: thing that does happen. Um, But I like that it's
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: just these three girls who share a common interest in
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: music and they bond over that and their hatred of
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: gym class and sports. So they're like, well, yeah, obviously
• 52:42
  Speaker 1: we're all going to be the best of friends. And
• 52:45
  Speaker 1: even though one of them is a little older than
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: the other two, even though one of them is Christian
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: and the other two are not. Maybe that's why I
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: also feel very connected to head VG taller friend energy
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: where they're like, is she older? You're like, no, they're
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: all the same age. Relax, No, she is older. I
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: think because she says she's in Great nine, I thought
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: she's good. I think all these characters are great um
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: and again, and they're very they're very distinct. They're very
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: again like I knew people like all like all like
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: I knew people like all three of them, and I
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: saw myself and you know, you know, in different ways
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: in all three of them, and they're just like very again,
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: well written well crafted, very relatable, very authentic characters that again,
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: we don't see in media very often. I like, I
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: loved it Clara because Clara is like the headstrong, like decisive,
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: like like in your face, like I'm gonna advocate when
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: someone needs to be advocated for, right to the point
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: where it's like occasionally and considerate people around her. And
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: I just I like, I kaind Of'm just like, oh,
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: I can't think of the last time I saw like
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: a movie. I don't know. I mean, I guess I
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: don't really know what this who this movie was marketed
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: towards because we famously don't live in Sweden, but I
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: hope that it was like marketed at like kids, because
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: it would have been so. I mean, it's really cool
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: seeing like kids that aren't like classic you know, like
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: Hollywood cool girls that there's like a movie about them
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: being awesome and like still bullied but ultimately like really
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: really fucking cool. Um. But but Clara. I liked the
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: with Clara and Bobo. They like it ends with them
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: all being friends. But you can also tell in a
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: way that I found kind of satisfying, like Clara still
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: has a long way to go, you know, Clara Clara,
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: like literally in the in the last scene, it was
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: just like so a thirteen year old, like, yeah, she
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: still hasn't quite gotten over herself where she's like I
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: am the best, and then the other two have to
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: be like that's not the name of the movie. Yeah,
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: I I totally agree, but not in a way that
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: like makes that character unlikable or irredeemable. It's just that
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: she's a thirteen year old girl, and this is how
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: a lot of thirteen year old girls are, or just
• 55:25
  Speaker 1: thirteen year olds in general, because you're thirteen and you
• 55:29
  Speaker 1: have not fully formed as a person yet, your emotions
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: are confusing, you are your self esteem is all over
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: the place, and yeah, it just feels like, yeah, she's
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: quite self centered, and yes she is sort of like
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: staking claim over a lot of things and like you know,
• 55:49
  Speaker 1: not being as super considerate toward especially her best friend
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: Bobo in a lot of ways where she's like, no,
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: this boy's mine, the playing the bass is my thing,
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: and way that again, like this is an immaturity thing
• 56:02
  Speaker 1: that she will probably grow out of, not like she's
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: a bad person thing it is. Yeah, it feels like
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: I don't know, I mean like every thirteen year old
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: has like that that friend structure where it's like there's
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: a friend that just can steamroll everybody, and you're like,
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: you don't have the confidence or the life skills to
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: be like stop Like uh, I like and and and
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: you know, having an alpha friend like Clara because it's
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: not I mean, she's still like loves her friends and family,
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: she just doesn't always consider them first. And you know
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: there are moments that I mean it's like you still
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: really like Clara. She's like the most She's trying to
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: be the most overtly political of the group. She like
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: wants to be able to say something even though she's
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: like not quite at a place where she knows how
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: to say it. And and I like that she I
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: don't know, just like reflecting on my own child, you're like, oh,
• 57:00
  Speaker 1: you need that alpha friend because who else is gonna
• 57:03
  Speaker 1: like get you French fries or like who else is
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: gonna you know, push until you get the rehearsal space,
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: or like Clara does a couple of pigs in this
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: movie that it's like, Oh, if everyone in this group
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: were the same kind of shy thirteen year old, I
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: would I was you don't get the French fries, you
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: don't get the you don't get the rehearsal space, and
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: the movie doesn't happen. Um right exactly. Yeah, yeah, again,
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: everyone's bringing something to the table. Um. And then on
• 57:34
  Speaker 1: and then with Bobo, I mean again, like yeah, with Clara,
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: she's like very very confident, or at least puts on
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: the air of confidence. Um. On the other hand, you
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: have Bobo. She loves to bully adults too. I love
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: how pullys the ship out of most adults and it's
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: so punk of her. Um. But then Bobo has some
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: pretty obvious self esteem issues um that I think again
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: are just like a product of She's in a society
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: where there are certain beauty standards, and these girls, as
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: punks are like trying to actively reject a lot of
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: these like Western beauty standards where they have cut their
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: hair short, they are anti makeup, They their style, like
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: their clothing is like pretty gender neutral a lot of
• 58:34
  Speaker 1: the time, and they have a lot of people calling
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: them ugly. And uh. It very clearly affects Bobo, um
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: because she says things like, oh, I'm never going to
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: get a boyfriend. No one thinks I'm cute. I was
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: never invited to the parties. And so even though like
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: they're taking this like punk stance of rejecting beauty standards,
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: like just like anyone wants to be desired and desirable
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: and like wants to be attractive to someone and you
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: can just tell that. And and so Bobo is uh,
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: kind of in this trying to doing is like kind
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: of doing this balancing act of like, yeah, well I
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: want to like I want to seem punk and I
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: cut my own hair and all the stuff. But she
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: also like wants cute boys to like her in a
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: very again relatable way, especially for that age. And I
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: love that. I love when Clara wears the makeup secretly
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: and then to meet the boys who wear makeup. Yeah,
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: and Bobo is all piste off. She's like, wait a second,
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: you're supposed to be You're It's like, I don't know,
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: I get. Clara is so fascinating to me because I
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: used to be fascinated with kids like this where it's
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: like they're making all of the rules, but also the
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: rules don't apply to them. Most are fumstances. I'm sure
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: Clara was the one that was like, we're anti makeup
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: and bubbles like, Okay, we're anti makeup, but then like,
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: but Clara can wear makeup sometimes. But this is like
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: one of my favorite I wrote down this chunk of
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: it too, about makeup and stuff and how the boys
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: at the beginning, the slightly older boys like call them
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: all ugly and stuff, and it it's one of my
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: favorite iron tensions within punk feminism, you know, is this
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: idea of like and I I've at least read essays
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: about punk feminism going back further than like I've been
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 1: aware of punk, like going back in the eighties and
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 1: seventies and stuff where, um, so much of it was
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 1: about especially actually when punk when when punk women started
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: wearing makeup, a lot of it was like intentionally over
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: the top in a way to try and draw attention
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: and be like you said, this is supposed to be pretty,
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: but I'm warning so much that it's obviously ugly and
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: like a way to go so overboard that it becomes
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: ugly and and then you know, but then that that
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: falls back and like becomes more moderated later in punk
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 1: war than it just sort of becomes like punk women
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: wear makeup and it's just like like everyone else or whatever,
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: and it's just like trying to be conventionally attractive and
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: but just with like ripped stockings or whatever. I'm not
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: I'm not trying to talk to it on either of
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: the conclusions that charge girls, right, Um, but I find
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: this tension really interesting and I like that this one
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: is situating this like third one that is actually I
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: think more probably tied into the broader feminism of the
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: like we're anti makeup, you know, as compared to just
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: the like we're going to go over the top with makeup. Um,
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: I don't know, right well, that's a thing that has
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: been like something that I've honestly grappled with throughout my
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 1: life where I'm like obviously a militant feminist and I'm not.
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm not going to do anything that, uh
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: like just because society thinks they should or a man
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: thinks I should. But then I'm also like, well, I
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: do want to be sexy. Mescarrel looks so good and
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 1: every like, so like there are some indisputiful facts, so
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: it's complicated. So like I do wear makeup pretty frequently.
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 1: I like shave my legs and shave my under arms
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: and things that I do that because like that's what
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: the beauty standard is. But I but like, I think
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: what a lot of people have kind of grappled with
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: when it comes to feminism and beauty standards is like, well,
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 1: feminism says that you it's your choice, Like you can
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: do whatever you want with your body. So if you
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: want to, you know, wear a lot of makeup and
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 1: you know, present in a very like hyper feminine way
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 1: that historically and traditionally is the thing that like appeals to,
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: like the heteronormative male gaze. If you want to do that,
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: absolutely fucking go off. If you if you want to
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: reject that and uh, you know not do any of that,
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: absolutely go off. Also, Like it's just it's all about
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: like choice and doing what you and that's punk and
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 1: that's why VR do s. I always find it interesting
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: to watch, um women are not of my generation trying
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 1: to navigate these issues and like how I don't know.
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: My mom was pretty open to stuff, but sometimes she
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 1: genuinely is like, wait, I'm confused. Where we were hanging out.
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: I was pool side with my mommy incredible um, and
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 1: she like noticed that I had shaved my armpits, which
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: usually I don't, but I just sort of like, I
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 1: don't know, I just felt like it. So I did,
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 1: and I didn't think anything of it because I was
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 1: like whatever, And she was like, wait, I thought you
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 1: didn't shave your armpits because you're a feminist, and like
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 1: she was like coming from a good place. She's like,
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 1: I'm confused. I thought that you didn't do that because
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 1: because of your rights. And I was like and then
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 1: I was like weirdly having a hard time to describe.
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: She's like, why did you do it? I was like,
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I just wanted to. And I was like,
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 1: that's what I was saying that that's what That's what
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 1: I mean. I just should be able to do whatever
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: the funk. I want to not think about it. So
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: but for a second I was in my head. I
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 1: was like, have I regressed? And I was like no,
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 1: I think it's just like a little uncomfortable, and so
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: it's just that you can do whatever you want with
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: your body. So I just thought it was fascinating to
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: like have that be something that like Bobo is very
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: clearly grappling with and like the scene where she goes
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: to meet up with Ellis one on one, she has
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 1: like spiked her hair the way that the other boy
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 1: she likes taught her to do it, and she takes
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 1: off her glasses. I think because she perceives like her
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: glasses is something that makes her less attractive. So like
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 1: she's making these conscious choice is to um, you know,
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 1: appear more attractive because she is in this like kind
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: of like between a rock and a hard place kind
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 1: of thing where she's like, well, I want to be
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 1: punk and I want to reject beauty standards, but I
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 1: also have this boy that I want to think things.
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 1: I'm like this boy that I want to think I'm cute,
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: so very relatable and like you were alluding to me,
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 1: like a lot of punk boys like still uphold those
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 1: same standards while like technically being like, oh yeah, like punk,
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 1: but with the asterisks of like unless I personally don't
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: think it's hot, like kind of again, It's it's funny
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 1: because like I have this very you know, this conception,
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: like I'm going through my like teens and twenties like
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: as a boy, even though my twenties was as a
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 1: boy named Margaret who addresses um. But people would basically
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 1: be like really shyly, like I've seen people both be
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 1: afraid of being rejected. I've seen women in particular be
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 1: afraid of being rejected for not shaving and for shaving,
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 1: you know, and like and most of the people that
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 1: I'm talking to have had the experiences of being rejected
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 1: for one or the other, because you will meet these
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 1: like punk boys who are like, I can't believe you shave,
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 1: you know, um, and I don't know. It's it's it's
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 1: really it sucks to be a girl in our society.
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 1: I just really like the way that this movie examines
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 1: that in a way that's like not even a huge
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 1: part of the story, but it's just like it's something
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 1: that's obviously on like any teenager's mind or like it
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 1: just like especially girls who are conditioned to I think
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 1: that they need to be attractive and like do things
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 1: to make them seem attractive, especially to boys. So again,
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 1: I just yeah, I liked that that was a part
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 1: of the movie. And then that scene where they like
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 1: give the guitar to head Vig to like that they're like, well,
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 1: first let's show you. We have to show you how
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 1: to do it, and then she's just like okay, and
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 1: then they give it to her and she's like, first
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 1: of all, it's out of tune. And then secondly she
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 1: and then she like plays it so well, and you
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 1: just see the faces of those two guys and they're like,
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 1: oh shit, like in in such a satisfying way. And
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 1: they did that off they too, where they like try
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 1: to like weirdly play it off and act like they
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 1: knew she could do that the whole time in a
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 1: way that's completely possibly. They're like yeah, yeah, cool. It's
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 1: like because even those people are like overly earnest, right,
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 1: there're still they're being they're making unintelligent decisions. Um, but
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 1: they're like not bad people. They're like, you know, they're
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 1: just like being misogynist, right, but they're like, I don't know,
• 1:07:58
  Speaker 1: it's just they're so earnest about that. They're like, oh,
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 1: really excited for this thing, and you know, and they're
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 1: so excited that they got the electric guitar, like you
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 1: know that they like went through a bunch of work
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 1: to like get the girl band the electric guitar or whatever. Um, yeah,
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 1: and I have them shipped just for full disclosure. Um,
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 1: those two men, Oh yeah, I like that. I like
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 1: that establishing with locals and being in love. Yeah, it's
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 1: like it's misogyny and not necessarily a hateful way, but
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 1: it's just like they assume that because they're girls, they
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 1: can't do anything, or they assumed that like you know,
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 1: oh you're you're a girl. You're girls in a band,
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 1: so you're a girl band. And it's like they want
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 1: to like help like include and like be inclusive and
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 1: like yeah, girls can be in girl bands. Sure, but
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 1: it's but they're they're misogyny manifests in a way that um,
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 1: they just like don't trust that a girl could do anything. Okay,
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 1: although I hate to say in their defense because I
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 1: don't really mean it, but they've heard bo bo and
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 1: that is they are not they're chronically not instruction. Yeah,
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 1: that's true. That's true. It's I do love that they're
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 1: just bad like they're they're not. And well that's also
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 1: like like very realistic. Yeah, they have never really taken
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 1: a music lesson. They don't know how to play the
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 1: instruments they're playing, and their band absolutely sucks carrying the
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 1: whole band on her back. But it's like that's also
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 1: why punk is the revolutionary like not in terms of
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 1: actual social change, but no offense to it. Um. But
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 1: because that's the whole thing. I love that punk and
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 1: like other genres do this too, right, but I love
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 1: that punk is like you can be awful, you can
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 1: be just absolutely awful, and you can still play shows,
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 1: Like you can have fun and you can play shows
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 1: one because some of the music is dead simple, and
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 1: two because no one cares if it's really bad. Um,
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 1: because it's about the aesthetic that you're creating. It's an
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 1: aesthetic that is that you can create easily, you know.
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 1: And then at the same time, like they still also
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 1: really like these really good bands I do. I will
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 1: say though that the part where I'm like, I expected
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 1: the boys that they go meet up with, I'm wondering
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 1: if you all had this. I expected them to be
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 1: like at least sixteen or seventeen. Um. I did not
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 1: realize that they were because they're in a magazine and
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 1: then you see them and you're like, I thought they
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 1: were gonna be like, oh my god, what are we
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 1: going to do with these thirteen year olds who showed up?
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 1: You know? And I was expecting either very dark turn
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 1: or just lots of awkwardness. Um, But then they're also yeah,
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 1: who are who are a little better at their bands?
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 1: A little better at who do play better music, but
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 1: like like he's dead and Clara's kind of like you
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 1: can tell a dead guy to fun. You're like, that's true,
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 1: you can. And then like the big concert at the
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 1: end of the movie, the way that like the third
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 1: act of most movies have like that big event that
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 1: you know, everything's been leading up to this, and usually
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 1: it's like this big epic, like extremely climactic like moment
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 1: in the movie. But the big concert quote unquote at
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 1: the end of this movie is maybe my favorite version
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 1: of this that I've ever seen, because it goes horribly there.
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 1: They don't play the music well, everyone's yelling at them
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 1: and calling them communist counts, and then they just say, well,
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 1: fuck you, fuck you in your shitty town. We are
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 1: the best. And it's just like such a beautiful, like
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 1: climactic moment of like of the movie. And uh, I
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 1: feel like they in a way they kind of like
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 1: they started like a small riot, like they did a
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 1: very punk thing. So it's great, like and I love
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 1: that they like it's not even like it's a contest again,
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 1: I'm just school of frocking it, but it's like they
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 1: like they had an awesome I didn't there there's so
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 1: few like examples of like I don't know, just like
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 1: kids doing stuff too because they want to and like
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 1: it's fun and like that's I don't know. I mean
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 1: I think I know that that's like somewhat of a
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 1: generational thing too, but like, uh, you know, being raised
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 1: to like excel at stuff and like if you're not
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 1: good at it, there's no point been doing it. I
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 1: feel like that is like a very more modern and
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 1: it seems to be like dissipating a little bit, but
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 1: definitely like a very strong millennial like instilled in you
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 1: of like, well you do things be to become a resume,
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 1: like not because you just want to kind of funk
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 1: around and have fun. If working around and having fun
• 1:13:20
  Speaker 1: as a waste of time. And to see these kids
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 1: like be not very good kind of know that they
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 1: want to be better, but it's not like they're not
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 1: like losing sleepover being better and they're just like sucking
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 1: around and having a good time. It's just I don't know,
• 1:13:35
  Speaker 1: it shouldn't feel so refreshing to see kids sucking around
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 1: and having a good time without like having a meltdown
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 1: of like I'm not good enough. At this but it
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 1: was I mean, it was it was cool. We normally
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 1: would see like the Merry Sue version of like, well
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 1: they start playing instruments and they get so good so fast,
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 1: and I know there are criticisms about like to criticize
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 1: something because it's a Merry Sooth thing. I don't know.
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 1: We'll get we'll get into it in another episode. But
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 1: normally you'd have like, oh, there they start playing music,
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 1: and yeah, they're kind of bad at first, but then
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 1: we see a training montage and then they're really good afterwards.
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 1: And that never happens in this movie because it takes
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 1: really long because it takes a really long time to
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 1: get good at an instrument, and they are where they
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 1: kind of like don't have to if they don't want
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 1: to anyway, Like, yeah, girls and women being mediocre, we
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 1: should see more of it. It's something to celebrate. So
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 1: one time I was a drummer for a band on tour.
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 1: I'm not a drummer. I do not play drums. I technically, um,
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 1: I have some drums I built that are actually within
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 1: read but I hit them and I record them and
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 1: then I program the sounds that they make. UM. But
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 1: one time, ten years ago or something. My friend is
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 1: in this uh, this goth band, it's fairly punk. We're like, hey, come,
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 1: we kicked out our key tar player. We need a
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 1: third person for a band. Come on tour with us.
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 1: And I was like, I'd love to play keytar and
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 1: they're like, no, no, no, we want a drummer. And
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 1: I'm like, I'd love to play keytar for you, and
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 1: they were like, we'll fly you out two weeks early
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 1: and you have two weeks to hang out in our
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 1: apartment and learn how to play drums. But there's another
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 1: way that you can't get away with being mediocre, which
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 1: is electronic music. And so because I was playing this
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 1: electronic drum kit, but there's so many backing tracks going
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 1: on that on my my friend's wedding anniversary is this
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 1: power couple band. We're playing in Providence from Island, and
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 1: I just start fucking drifting. I've like lost everything. I'm
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 1: just like drifting off. I'm like fucking lost, and and
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 1: the guitar yeah, and he walks over and he presses
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 1: this pedal that he never told me about that that
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 1: mutes me and brings up backing tracks of exactly what
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 1: I'm playing for the rest of the night. I'm a
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 1: glorified stage dancer, um, pretending play drums of drums, and
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 1: I was I was so grateful because I was like,
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 1: I told you, I'm not a fucking drummer, right, So
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 1: you can't learn to play drums in two weeks. All
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 1: you have to do is uh fail, yeah, play fail
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 1: on stage always far yeah. Oh my god. I Stories.
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 1: I keep to listen to Margaret stories all day, Like, okay, wait,
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 1: I have one more about I wrote this one down
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 1: because I have to figure out how to shoehorn this
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 1: and it's about a Swedish punk girl. Um. And one
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 1: time I'm in I'm in Sweden and I'm staying at
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 1: this cooperatively owned I've only spent like maybe a total
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 1: like three weeks in Sweden, but I'm really impressed by
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 1: a lot of stuff that's going on. I'm in town
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 1: for the anarchist but fair and the anarchists also owned
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 1: this entire apartment building that's cooperatives. Sorry, it's it's co
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 1: op owned, so instead of having to live in a
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 1: communal house, you get your own whole apartment. But then
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 1: the whole building is a cooperative, so there's some shared
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 1: infrastructure and these like more hippie ish anarchists or whatever.
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 1: They have this punk kid who's like nine, and she's
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 1: like she's convinced her best friend, who's this boy, to
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 1: be in a band with her. And she's like mom, Mom, Mom.
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 1: And she doesn't speak English and she's like, mom, you
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 1: have to interpret for me because I'm going to play
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 1: Margaret a song. And so I got to see this, uh,
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 1: this band of two nine year old maybe ten year
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 1: old Swedish kids and and it was like one of
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 1: them has a keyboard and I don't know if the
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 1: other one had an instrument, and they're just like da
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 1: da da, I don't want to go to bed. I
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 1: hate bedtime. I want want to go to bed. And
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 1: it ruled. It was the most punk thing I've ever seen.
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 1: It was a it was just me and mom in
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 1: the audience. Uh. And I it's like I wrote this down,
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 1: is like I don't know where to shoehorn this in,
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 1: but I really am excited to tell the story. That's
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 1: the perfect Oh my god, and what and actually broke
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 1: my head a little bit. Just realize that those two
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 1: kids are now adults. Um. And so if you ever
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 1: played this please reach out to me. They are the
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 1: biggest fans and listeners of the Battle Cast. I mean,
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 1: stranger things have happened in regards to this show, like
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 1: people just pop their head out of the woodwork. Wait
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 1: that is so, that's beautiful. And they also were teaching
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 1: me Swedish um as we would like walk through the forest.
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 1: They were basically like, what's wrong with this idiot? Why
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 1: doesn't she understand Swedish, which is a perfectly legitimate question
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 1: when I'm in Sweden. Um. And so they're just like
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 1: pointing out objects and telling me the word for them,
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 1: and um, and all I remember is hop and skip up.
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 1: This is the like which is jump and run. Um.
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 1: But oh but that sounds so English words. Yeah, and
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 1: I remember because it was like nine year olds jumping
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 1: up and down quite hot. Do you understand? Do you understand?
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 1: And what do you say? Everyone? Let's take another break,
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 1: Let's do it, let's do it, let's do it. I
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 1: I wade that like a bunch of like little things
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 1: that you're just like, Wow, great childhood. Okay, let's finger
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 1: toothbrush culture loved impromptu sleepover finger toothbrush. Been there, done that,
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 1: been there, done that? You still go there every once
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 1: in a while. You never know when Fingertoothbrush is going
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 1: to come back into the mix. I wrote down a
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 1: bunch of things that I loved here. Let me see
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 1: um the So there's that scene where they're thinking of
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 1: recruiting hell Vig, but they're like, but she's a Christian
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 1: and I'm not sure if this is going to work out,
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 1: And then Bobo says, will we will influence her away
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 1: from God? The funniest line of dialogue in the world,
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 1: And then they're like, actually, it will be really like
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 1: political of us to hang out with someone less fortunate, um,
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 1: because she doesn't have any friends and so she's less fortunate.
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 1: And then and then they say if she doesn't stop
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 1: being a Christian, will kick her out. And then Clara
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 1: plays her plays head Vig a song called hang God
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 1: and then tries to convince her that it's a Christian song.
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 1: That whole string of events was so funny, and I
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 1: also like the head Vig in spite of and now
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 1: it makes sense. I'm seeing now, Margaret that um that
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 1: the filmmaker is um a pretty devout Christian but also
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 1: a feminist, and like that that they don't talk head
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 1: vig out of being a Christian. I think that she
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 1: remains a Christian punk the whole time and like stays
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 1: true to herself and her friends, except that about her,
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 1: which is like just another fun like little thing that
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 1: they don't draw a ton of attention to. But God,
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 1: I love that's like where you're like, man, kids like um,
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 1: kids like Clara are the best when they're just like
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 1: they go so hard, they're so reckless, and they're like,
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna kill God, catch up as God. Gosh.
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 1: I love when Clara Clara calls her brother a fascist
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 1: and a cop because he doesn't want her and Bobo
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 1: to stay in the room during his party. He doesn't
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 1: want a thirteen year old to get drunk and so
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 1: he is a fashion cop. She's like, you're a fascist.
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 1: And the drinking age is probably in Sweden for beer
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 1: and wine at this point. I'm not and I know
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 1: that at least the beer age was sixteen at some
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 1: point while I was there, and I was really confused.
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 1: My biggest not criticism of this film, but the hardest
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 1: part to connect for me is that these are the
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 1: biggest problems. Yes, it's like sure, and it's kind of
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 1: interesting to me because like punk is this like you know,
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 1: this music of the the rejected, the music of rebellion
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 1: or whatever. But it's it's actually kind of cool because
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 1: it I think it has like an inherent almost critique
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 1: of punk within it and that it's like Clara is
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 1: the most punk and she's rejecting her perfectly loving family
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 1: and that's useful to her, right, It's like useful for
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 1: her to you know, separate herself out from her parents
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 1: or whatever. But like, you know, you can see why
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 1: this might not connect with the the modern person coming
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 1: up into a like will there is there a future?
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 1: Right um? And which which is part of the crucible
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 1: of punk being formed as you know, cold war lack
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 1: of future or whatever. And I don't know, but it's
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 1: just it's it's really interest see to because it's this
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 1: very uh, it's it's a very middle class punk set up,
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 1: although you also get the impression that the middle classes
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 1: because of a strong social net, like because a single
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 1: mom is also totally fine at least appears to be
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 1: totally fine financially. Obviously, she has emotional issues that her
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 1: child is perfectly willing to help her deal with, which
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 1: is very sweet. Um. I don't know anyway, that was
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 1: the part for me that I was like, it actually
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 1: made me kind of sad, like nostalgic for when there's
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 1: a future. Yeah, yeah, I did also kind of because
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 1: I also was like, I'm maybe just not familiar enough
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 1: with the economics of Sweden, but it did seem to
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 1: be like a lower middle class, Like they weren't their
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 1: immediate needs were always met. They didn't seem to encounter
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 1: people whose immediate needs were not being met. Um, which
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 1: is fine, but yeah, like that is like a very
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 1: specific class sliver of punk kids to show. Um, I
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 1: wanted to I wanted to talk really quickly about the
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 1: parents too, because Bobo, Um, I mean Clara, I kind
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 1: of like that Clara's family structure. It's like almost presented
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 1: in a jokey way of like Clara uh wants to
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 1: have more problems than she maybe actually does. Um, her
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 1: family is really sweet and her biggest problem with her
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 1: brother likes joy division now and like her dad is
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 1: annoying when he plays the clarinet. Like very very sweet family. Um,
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 1: Bobo's I like that, Bobo is I think my impression
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 1: anyways was that like her introvertedness and her like insecurities
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 1: probably are connected to her home life as well, because like,
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 1: I don't know, I found this to be kind of
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 1: like a relatable dynamic of like she's it's like her
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 1: mom clearly loves her very much, like wants to be supportive,
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 1: wants to be there for her, but needs parenting herself,
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 1: and so like just like the Bobo knows way too
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 1: much about her mom's personal life, and like her mom
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 1: sometimes treats her more as a friend than a guardian.
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 1: She doesn't always know where she is, like stuff that
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 1: it's like, But I also like that it's like it's
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 1: she's not positioned as like a bad parent, but it's
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 1: like clear that their relationship is complicated and that she
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 1: can't be there for Bobo in all the ways that Bobo,
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 1: you know, needs an adult Headpig's mom too like embarrassing
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 1: to religious mom culture. She was like, my friends are
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 1: going to disown me because my mom is threatening to
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 1: arrest them h and drag them to church like calling
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 1: the Mr. Doesn't ever say you can't hang out with
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 1: those two their bad influence. Yeah, Yeah, It's like there
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 1: there's a lot of gray area in people in the
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 1: way that like exists in the real world and also
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 1: feels so like small community vibes where it's like they
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 1: like you're saying earlier market with the like the two
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 1: guys who run the youth center, it's like they are
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 1: not bad people, but they just have some ingrained behaviors
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 1: that these kids are challenging in them that they're like
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 1: not quite ready to unlearn, and like, but this is
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 1: the youth center, So where else are they going to go?
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 1: They have to like learn how to talk to each
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 1: other because this is the only place where there's one
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 1: bass guitar and one drum kit and like, yeah, yeah,
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 1: I also love that that scene where Hedwig's mom like
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 1: fixes Bobo and Clara like cookies and milk and tea,
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 1: like cookies and tea and drinks and snacks, and then
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 1: she sits them down. She's like, I'm gonna put I'm
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 1: going to report him to the police. But before that,
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 1: she's like, can I get you anything? Do you want
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 1: more cookies? Do you think it was all a faint
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 1: Like do you think because because clearly that you have
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 1: to go with church with me was just a moral lesson, right,
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 1: not an actual attempt to force them to go to church.
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 1: Do you think that the I'm going to call the
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 1: police was like an actual threat or a way to
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 1: make them take it so seriously that they had to
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 1: come over to talk. I think it was the latter.
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 1: I think it was just like, these kids need to
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 1: wake up call and I'm gonna in best case scenario,
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 1: she scares them into going to church. Like that's the
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 1: best case scenario for But yeah, I also did really
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 1: appreciate I I fully thought, just based on like movie logic,
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 1: that that would result in Headvig not being allowed to
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 1: hang out with them anymore. Um, totally, but you know,
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 1: they put her in check, and I like that it
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 1: kind of remained a little ambiguous whether like head Vig
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 1: sent one at that haircut or not, Like she didn't
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 1: end up being upset about it and it looks great, um,
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 1: but there. I mean, that's like a very another very
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 1: middle school thing where like you like, you're like, I'm
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 1: not as old than this. It's not going to hurt me,
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 1: but I don't know. And then you know, maybe he
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 1: talked to an adult later and you're like, IM bummed out,
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 1: and then they you know, and then hopefully they don't
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 1: threaten to arrest your friends, but sometimes that will happen.
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 1: I guess. Well. Also, it was like, you know, because
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 1: little Sister is the snitch, Little Sister is the only
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 1: bad character in the the only villain snitches them out,
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 1: and you get the impression that it was little Sister
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 1: says I saw her trying not to get her hair cut,
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 1: which is like true, you know, um, but it's like
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 1: not the whole story. It seems like she probably was,
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 1: and you all were talking about this earlier, and I
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 1: really resonated with it. It's like I really needed my
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 1: friends who kicked dragged me kicking and screaming into trouble.
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 1: Um a little bit lucky, but it worked out as
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 1: well as it did. Um, But I really appreciate it
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 1: because I was also the like, you know, like, I
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 1: don't know, guys, if we should really crime right now right?
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 1: Sometimes you need the friend that's like this is this
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 1: is a good crime. We're going to do this one
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 1: yeah totally, And you're like, oh, okay, cool, yeah yeah
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 1: mm hmm. And then I love that it's it's head
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 1: vig at the end when um Clara and Bobo are
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 1: fighting over Ellis, with which again, like on the surface,
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 1: that just might seem like a oh, two girls fighting
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 1: over a boy, like, but like, I don't know the
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 1: way it's handled in this movie, it's just more than
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 1: I like that. It's like clear, that's like they're fighting
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 1: about the basic guitar there. Yeah, that basically they're fighting
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 1: about how the bar always steam rolls bow bow and
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 1: tells her what she wants exactly right totally um. But
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 1: on the surface, and yeah, it just kind of seems
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 1: like they're fighting over a boy. And I love the
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 1: head vague facilitates. They're like makeup and she's like, now
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 1: you look the other one in the eye and say
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 1: I like you. And then now it's your turn. You
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 1: do it. You say I like you to your friend,
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 1: and then they do it, and it's so sweet and
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 1: I just there bond their their friendship between the three
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 1: of them is just so precious. And I because I
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 1: wrote down in my like my notes, uh, one of
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 1: the lines is a feature length of exploration of being
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 1: why heterosexuals is a shame um, because it's like they're
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 1: all like fighting over these boys that they don't actually
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 1: like and they but then I actually later after really
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 1: sitting with it. I was like, you know, I actually
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 1: this works really well, Like it's it's not it's not
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 1: declaring any of these characters heterosexual, but it is definitely
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 1: saying that, like at least at least two of them
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 1: have had her sexual love interests. We don't head. VIC
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 1: has like a moment, right, which could mean anything when
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 1: you're like when you're you, and I actually realized in
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 1: some ways, I think if it was made now in
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 1: the US, it might end up like more directly a
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 1: queer film, and that wouldn't be inherently bad. But there's
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 1: actually something really pure about the fact that they just
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 1: sort of don't know what they're doing within this context. Um,
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I had this moment where I was like, wait,
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 1: am I glad that anyway? I I don't know where
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 1: I'm going with this. I'm just done. Now. Are you
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 1: saying you're shipping more of the characters? Well? Like, perhaps no,
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 1: but it's like you see the way that you know,
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 1: we we think so much in society, or at least
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 1: I do, like especially since I do a lot of
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 1: like history research and and no one ever writes about
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 1: the homosexuality of people before, right, and you you have
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 1: this like gap How's problem where it's like you cannot
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 1: tell who's gay in history because is she just a
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 1: cat lady who lives in a tower by herself, or
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 1: is she a cat lady who lives with her best
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 1: friend in the tower by the two of themselves? Like
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 1: that still doesn't actually tell you whether or not they
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 1: we're dating, um, or whether or not this person has
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 1: no interest in men like ace characters are also people
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 1: are written out of history and so no, I I
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 1: lost my train of thought here. Um, But it's okay,
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 1: So they have a lot of like gal pal energy, right,
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 1: but that's also just an honest way that humans can interact.
• 1:32:39
  Speaker 1: Like one of the things that I think is one
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 1: of the biggest shames about patriarchy. Um, clearly the treatment
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 1: of women are being a bigger deal. But but you
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 1: see old video, you know, you see old pictures of
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 1: men and they can interact with other men in ways
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 1: that are affectionate without its saying anything one way or
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 1: the other about the sexuality. Um. We talk about this
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 1: quite a bit on the show where like Different how Like.
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 1: I think we talked about this most recently on Top Gun,
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 1: the Top Gun episode where everyone's like this is the
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 1: gayest movie ever made. And it's like, well, that might
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 1: be true, and maybe those characters are queer and interested
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 1: in each other, or that queer and not interested in
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 1: each other like it could be, or they're just friends
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 1: who have male affection toward each other. It could be
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 1: any number of things. But people automatically look at male
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 1: affection and ascribe, oh, they must be gay, um to it. So,
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 1: which is like, you know, it's it's more complicated than that,
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 1: and you know there's a lot there's a bigger discussion
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 1: to be had, but um, yeah, let's let's let people
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 1: be friends, you know, and speaking about you're talking about
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 1: Margaret of like, I mean it's like, yeah, we have
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 1: we have no idea where these kids are gonna like
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 1: land in terms of their identity, and I like that
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 1: you kind of get the feeling even like every single
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 1: party between like the two middle school punk bands, like
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 1: it's fully like they're performing for each other of like
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 1: oh we are in we're we are dating. No, we're not,
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 1: And like I'm putting my arm around you. What does
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 1: it mean I'm touching your hand? Like there, it's like
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 1: like any kid, Yeah, it's almost like okay, well, this
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 1: is how I have seen heterosexuality laid out for me,
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 1: especially like eight two, I can't imagine, uh, and like
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 1: now I am doing it, and then it's like who
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 1: knows what happens down the line when um, yeah, it's
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 1: it's it's sweet, and the way it's presented is like innocent,
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 1: even when you're right with with with Ellis. And also
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 1: I mean to Ellis's cry at it, you know, way
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 1: easier to go to someone you just fucking fall off
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 1: the map doesn't matter, especially because he appears to live
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 1: in a suburb, which they make fun of himymore. They're like,
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 1: where what is this? There's a forest over here and
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 1: he's like no. The last thing I kind of wanted
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 1: to touch on, and I think this might go back
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 1: to sort of that like beauty standards conversation. But um,
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 1: there's that scene where Clara and Bobo are talking to
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 1: two girls. It's toward the beginning of the movie working together,
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 1: like the leotard, very spandex like yeah do do do
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 1: do do? Yeah? The dance at the at the talent show. Um, yes,
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 1: they because those are girls who like they're wearing Pastel's
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 1: and they're blonde. Is long, and they're kind of like
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 1: giving bobone Clara a hard time for just like looking
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 1: the way they do and behaving the way they do.
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 1: And I feel like, uh, this, this is reminiscent of
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 1: the like, well, our characters are not like the other
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 1: Girls thing. But again, the way it's presented in this movie,
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 1: it's it's it just it felt different than that. It
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 1: just it felt more like, yeah, these two characters are
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 1: you know, kind of they would be considered oddballs quote
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 1: unquote by like mainstream society because they're very intentionally doing that,
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 1: like you know try you know, like rejecting societies standards,
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 1: um and the will. They are kind of casting judgment
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 1: on these like quote unquote normy girls. It just I
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 1: don't know, I cannot explain why it feels different. But
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 1: the way we criticized they, like, I didn't feel like,
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 1: you know, like, oh, they're not like the other girls.
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 1: Didn't feel like a movie bullying like that, didn't they
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 1: didn't even feel like even like a movie bullying interactions
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 1: like that. I felt like kids that were like, like
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 1: the girls were being mean too, Bobbo and Clara. Yes, yes,
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 1: I was like, oh god, these many Olivia dudont John's
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 1: are telling them that Punk is dead. That's that's gotta hurt,
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 1: that's gotta sting. Um. But it did feel like, I
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 1: don't know, it just feel like a very like kid
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 1: interaction of like no one really knows what they're talking
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 1: about in this interaction. Um. It didn't feel like the
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 1: like overwritten middle school bullies that you're used to saying
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 1: in movies. It was like like, yeah, these kids are
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 1: not going to be friends. They don't have a lot
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 1: of respect for each other. But it's not like I
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 1: don't know, Yeah I agree, and and and I feel
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 1: like it's you avoid the like not like other girls
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 1: trope by just like getting to know that character, which
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 1: is what this this entire movie is. It's like we
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 1: know so much about their background, like what draws them
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 1: to Punk, what draws them to each other, and and
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 1: all this stuff like it'll makes sense. It does. So, Yeah,
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 1: that was the last thing I wanted to touch on.
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 1: Is there anything else I think that I guess like
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 1: from an intersectional point of view, it's like worth pointing
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 1: out that I believe the entire cast like is entirely white. Um,
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 1: And yeah, I kind of like did a little bit
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 1: of but not a ton of digging too, Like you know,
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 1: it's just like there's a certain amount you can just
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 1: sort of say, like Swede, you know, um right, I
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 1: feel like Sweden is kind of famously rather homogeneous in
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 1: terms of not entirely demographic fixed, not entirely, but like
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 1: it is not quite the like cultural melting pot is
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 1: like other places. Um. But yeah, I I definitely um um.
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 1: I was curious about that too, because I'm like, is
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 1: this just what the demographics of Sweden were at this time?
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 1: But they're also in a major city, and it did
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 1: feel like this is this is especially white even for
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 1: Sweden my understanding, and I I'm not an expert in this.
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 1: I know a little bit more about Finland than I do.
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 1: I avoided all of the problems that you while we're
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 1: talking about about accidentally causing drama within your friend groups
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 1: by dating people. But I just dated a finished girl
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 1: all throughout high school who lived in a different country,
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 1: and so I got to you wouldn't know if she
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 1: doesn't go here, she's in one in this country. UM.
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 1: Love that. Yeah, And which honestly was probably my like
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 1: low key way of just being like, I don't actually
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 1: want to date. This all seems weird and let's see. UM.
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 1: So I don't know as much about Sweden, and probably
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 1: some of the listeners do, but I'm I'm under the
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 1: impression one that UM, at least more recently, the suburbs
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 1: versus city thing is inverted in Sweden and a lot
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 1: of places in Europe. UM, the suburbs would actually be
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 1: more of a marker of being poor, uh, and also
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 1: be more likely to have a more stronger immigrant culture
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 1: to to my understanding, and this does not reflect back
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 1: to the eighties UM. And then also a lot of
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 1: the waves of immigration from UM I believe mostly North
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 1: Africa and UM swanna. Is that the way that I'm
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 1: new to this terminology UM Southwest Asia and north Northern Africa. UM.
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 1: I mean I believe that was more like the mid
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 1: to late nineties. UM. But I again not a demographics expert,
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 1: and I but one of the only reasons worth bringing
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 1: it up is one there's a coziness to this particular
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 1: punk fantasy or whatever that that's very sweet but is
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 1: like complicated by the current rising. I'm really not trying
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 1: to hold this movie to these standards, but it's just
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 1: like feels worth pointing out that like, um, there's a
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 1: lot of problems with racism in particular in Sweden. Again
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 1: not trying to pretend like I don't live in a
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 1: country full of racism, but like so, there's a certain
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 1: amount of like the all whitenesses feels it's like marked
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 1: to me because of the current context. But I don't
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 1: have enough information to know whether it feels marked to
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 1: the context in which it was made or the context
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 1: of the time it represents. As always, if there are
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 1: any UM listeners who can shed more light on this,
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 1: listeners from Sweden, UM or just anyone who has more information,
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 1: feel free to share. UM No, I'm glad you brought
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 1: it up, though, because that's something that I think sometimes
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 1: we are guilty of of being like, well, yeah, this
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 1: movie sucks on the issue of race, but we we
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 1: don't know, we have enough information, so we're not sure,
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 1: and then we kind of drop it in a way
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 1: that we probably should not. We should continue to research
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 1: and have a better perspective UM on the whole, because
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 1: I mean, like so many movies, there is no reason
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 1: that the cast to this movie should be all white.
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 1: You're making a fucking movie and also there's no way
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 1: that was true. Um, that that could be true? So, um,
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 1: does that bring us to the Bachchel test, of which
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 1: which this movie passes very handily, almost constantly, mostly between
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 1: Bobo Clara and head Vig and um, but yeah, there's
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 1: there's other combinations. But yeah, it's a girls talking about
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 1: punk music, it's girls talking about religion, it's girls talking
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 1: about sometimes you know, boys and ellis and stuff. But um, yeah,
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 1: it's it's a whole handful of many different things I know,
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 1: and it's it's so effortless. It's just like what the
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 1: story is. And I love that we get to see
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 1: every kind of facet of these kids inner world. It's awesome.
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 1: I love it. I'm excited to watch it again to
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 1: recommend it. It's also like, if you haven't watched this movie,
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 1: it's streaming on goddamn tube. It's amazing great, So if
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 1: you haven't watched it and you enjoyed this episode, get
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 1: to it. So let's let's go. Let's get to our
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 1: our nipple scale. Nipple scales zero to five nipples based
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 1: on how the movie fares when we examine it through
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 1: an intersectional feminist lens, and I would say I would
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 1: give this, I think like a four point five um
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 1: be cut docking it a little bit for but again, like, uh,
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 1: it's that tricky thing where it's like maybe these just
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 1: were the demographics of Sweden and nineteen early nineteen eighties,
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 1: or maybe it was just that they, you know, didn't
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 1: think to be more inclusive. So um, I'll cautiously give
• 1:44:28
  Speaker 1: it four and a half nipples um because I think
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 1: that otherwise it's doing a lot of really amazing things
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 1: as far as just like centering a female friendship, centering
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 1: just like girls in punk music, Like there's just not
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 1: many stories about that. Um. I think the examination of
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 1: how different things like beauty standards and romance and misogyny
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 1: and like because they're in uh in like music, which
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 1: is often kind of like a male dominated thing, and
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 1: they are dealing with those youth center guys and the
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 1: Iron Fist band and like being misogynists towards them in
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 1: kind of subtle ways and not like overtly hateful ways,
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 1: but like things that they still have to deal with,
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 1: and just like all of those interesting, nuanced things that
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 1: the movie explores in a very like seamless and effortless
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 1: and authentic way I thought was really awesome. So I'm
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 1: gonna give the movie four and a half nipples. I'll
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 1: give one to each of the gals in the band. Um,
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 1: I'll give one to the child acting in general, which
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 1: I thought was incredible. UM. I famously and very critical
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 1: of child acting on the show. Uh. And maybe it's
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 1: just because it's in a language that I don't speak,
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 1: but I think you can. You can still tell when
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 1: acting is good or bad even if you're not speaking
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 1: that language. And I think it was really good acting.
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 1: And then I'll give my half nipple two Um clarinet
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 1: Dad clarinet, Dad's clarinet. As a former clarinet player myself,
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 1: I gotta show the clarinet some love. I'll go. I'll
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 1: go four point five as well. I do think it's
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 1: worth bringing up that there's no country that having a
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 1: completely white cast. Uh, you know, especially in a coming
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 1: of age story, where like there was room for diversity
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 1: in the story. There's no reason it needed to um
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 1: be the way it was. I think I'm glad that
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 1: we got to discuss that. And I really love this movie.
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 1: I feel like it's a representation of girlhood and just
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 1: the I don't know the like kind of like incredibly specific,
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 1: specifically specific specificity. Let's go with that of but of
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 1: of like uncomfortable coming of age experiences and like trying
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 1: to figure your ship out and contradicting yourself all the time,
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 1: and your parents suck, but they're trying and like it.
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 1: Just there are so many like universal cool themes being
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 1: explored here. I really love it and give it for nipples.
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 1: I'd give one one each two head Vig, Bobo and
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 1: Clara on to give one to Clarinet Dad, and I'll
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 1: give the last half nipple with with a vote of
• 1:47:46
  Speaker 1: faith that she'll do about her in the future to
• 1:47:48
  Speaker 1: head Vig's little sister, the villain of the story. Yeah,
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 1: maybe she was just actually really concerned for you know,
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 1: headig sake. Yeah, she really thought head Vig was gonna
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 1: go to hell for that there, I mean speaking of
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 1: calling a sibling a fascist, and she was the fascist
• 1:48:09
  Speaker 1: to write a song about her. I'm also going to
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 1: take the cheap way out and copy the same number
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 1: of nipples that you all give it. But I do
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 1: feel like it feels it feels right to me, Um,
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 1: I will give And four point five is like the
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 1: punkest because you're like, I really liked it, but I
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 1: can't not be critical. Yeah, exactly, it's not perfect. And
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 1: oh my god. I used to review things on good
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 1: Reads before I had published books, and I used it
• 1:48:39
  Speaker 1: like I didn't know that the internet meant five stars
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 1: is good and everything below it means it's absolute garbage.
• 1:48:44
  Speaker 1: And so I used to like accurately rate things, and
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 1: then people will get mad at me, Like after I
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 1: started publishing books, people will go to my good Reads
• 1:48:51
  Speaker 1: and be like, I can't believe Margaret Kiljoy gave four
• 1:48:54
  Speaker 1: stars to this other book as if as if her
• 1:48:56
  Speaker 1: books are better, and I'm like, no, I would have
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 1: given my book four stars, Like I know what's wrong
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 1: with it. I wrote it, you know. But anyway, um
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 1: from anyway, So one nipple goes to Clara's suit, one
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 1: nipple goes to it being top three punk movies. UM.
• 1:49:15
  Speaker 1: One to the fact that they're not I'm not giving
• 1:49:17
  Speaker 1: them to people, I apologize. One is to the fact
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 1: that they're not a punk band. Sorry, they're not a
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 1: girl band. Sorry, terrible slip. Um one is to the
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 1: fact that there is no doubt in my mind that
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 1: these girls would have taken in a trans girl. There's
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 1: no part of me that thinks that they would have
• 1:49:33
  Speaker 1: rejected me from their crew. Um and my my half
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 1: nipple goes to them fishing for people with yarn out
• 1:49:41
  Speaker 1: the window. That's true. We we cannot forget. Yeah the
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 1: absolute and then and then shout out to have you
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 1: all seen together. I'm this guy's other movie about a
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 1: It's the best movie about a communal house that I've
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 1: ever seen, like in terms of like how communal living works.
• 1:50:03
  Speaker 1: It's a very similarly overly earnest, beautiful film. I've also
• 1:50:08
  Speaker 1: only saw it once, like five or six years ago.
• 1:50:10
  Speaker 1: I didn't know it's the same director. I just thought
• 1:50:12
  Speaker 1: Swedes were particularly good at making cozy films about things
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 1: that I like. Anyway, sorry for shoehorning and everything that
• 1:50:20
  Speaker 1: I want to not even a little bit um, Margaret,
• 1:50:27
  Speaker 1: it was such a treat having you. What would you
• 1:50:31
  Speaker 1: like to plug? Where can people follow you on social media?
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 1: All of that? Well, if you like hearing me talk
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 1: about things I like, I have a podcast called Cool
• 1:50:40
  Speaker 1: People Who Did Cool Stuff. You can hear me tell
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 1: Jamie Loftus about the time that spain Um stole itself
• 1:50:48
  Speaker 1: back from the bosses and the fascists for a little while. Um,
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 1: absolutely treat and that is a good place to find me.
• 1:50:56
  Speaker 1: It's on cool Zone Media and you can follow me
• 1:50:59
  Speaker 1: on Twitter at Magpie kill Joy. You can follow me
• 1:51:01
  Speaker 1: on Instagram at Margaret Killjoy. And I guess if you
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 1: like google my name, plus book or music or something,
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 1: you can find the other stuff I do. Hell yeah, yeah,
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 1: thank you. So we're so I'm like just genuinely thrilled.
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 1: Uh you're on the show. I'm so glad we got
• 1:51:19
  Speaker 1: to talk about a punk movie. I don't think we've
• 1:51:21
  Speaker 1: ever covered a punk movie on Uh. So I think
• 1:51:25
  Speaker 1: it's good and important that we brought an authority in
• 1:51:30
  Speaker 1: for the occasion. Uh, thank you, so, thank you so
• 1:51:33
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• 1:52:19
  Speaker 1: I think everyone's gonna be like Caitlyn Do, like he's
• 1:52:22
  Speaker 1: pretty wide punk in your heart. Um, it's true. I
• 1:52:32
  Speaker 1: like it when the one boy is kind of criticizing
• 1:52:35
  Speaker 1: what Clara is wearing and he's like, you don't look
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 1: very punk, and she's like, it's the opinions that matter.
• 1:52:41
  Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, it's you gotta have those punk opinions.
• 1:52:45
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