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Before the Cover-Up: Inside Epstein’s Earliest Florida Victim Account (Part 1) (5/13/26) · The Vault: The Epstein Files

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  Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the
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  Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going to start taking
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  a look at an interview, a phone interview that detective
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  Michelle Pagan had with one of the accusers during that
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  Florida investigation. Now, Michelle Pegan is one of the investigators,
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  the detectives that was on this case, and this document
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  was recently unsealed as part of the Epstein Transparency Act.
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  Now doing the questioning is Michelle Pegan. And then there's
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  somebody named Kathy Back, and then of course there is
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  going to be the survivor themselves. So let's get started. MP.
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  Which is Michelle Pegan, ID number eight zero five nine,
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  reference case number zero five DASH three six eight. The
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  time now by my watch is approximately six minutes past
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  two pm on three ffteen O five U n K.
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  Just high Ridge Family Center MP, which is Michelle Pagane. Okay,
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  the high Ridge Family Center president. Also, could you state
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  your name please redacted pagone. Spell your name please answer
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  redacted pagone and your date of birth answer redacted pagone
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  And you are answer Kathy Back family therapist pagone. Could
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  you spell your name please answer by Kathy Black or
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  Kathy Back. Excuse me, Ka T H Y B A C. K. Pagone,
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  and you're her family therapist? Am I correct? Back? Yes, Pagone, Okay,
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  I'm here today redacted, and I have stated briefly why
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  I'm here is in reference to an incident that happened
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  to a friend of yours or a girl that you know.
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  I'm not sure if she's a friend of yours or not,
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  but by the name of Hayley, do you know what
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  I'm talking about? Redacted? Yes, Pagone, Okay, I hear your
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  voice got very low all of a sudden, So if
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  you don't mind, redacted. Oh, okay, Pagone, I'll even hold it. Okay,
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  can you tell me how you know Hayley redacted? She's
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  my ex boyfriend's cousin. And now that we have established
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  that it's Michelle Pagan doing the questioning and redacted doing
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  the answering, we're going to go back to the standard
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  way we do it. I'll do question and then answer.
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  When I say question, that's Michelle Pegan. When I say answer,
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  that will be from the redacted person that's being interviewed. Question,
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  and what's your ex boyfriend's name redacted, Zach Bryan. Question
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  is that his last name? Brian? Answer yes? Question what
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  school does he go to? Answer Summit Christian School. Question
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  and you said he's your ex boyfriend? How long ago? Redacted?
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  I don't know, like two months, two months and a
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  half ago? Question How long did you go out with them?
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  Answer three weeks? Question not long? And Haley, you met
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  her through Zach? Answer yeah, I met her when I
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  went to dinner at his grandmother's house. Question okay, and
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  do you know Haley's last name? Answer no, I don't.
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  Question do you know where she lives? Answer yes, she
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  lives on seventy second Street, four streets away from me.
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  Question okay, and tell me now what happened with Haley?
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  Answer okay, Well, the third time of hanging out with Haley,
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  because I was a cousin, well, Zach, and we were
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  over there watching a movie and this guy called, or
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  actually it was a woman, but it was for a guy,
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  and she's talking to Haley and then she said that,
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  well I don't know exactly what the woman said, but
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  she said, do you have anybody left with you? And
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  Haley said yes, And then she said, are you bringing
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  them to the guy's house in Gardens or wherever he lives,
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  and she said, I don't know, I'll call you back.
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  And then she told Zach that I was going to
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  come with her to this guy's house, so that so
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  that she was going to get paid, like I don't
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  know how much money, but this man's been paying money,
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  and that she was going to bring me along. And
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  then Zach was like, no, you're not taking her. And
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  then she's like, well, I'll ask her. And then she
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  just told me. She didn't tell me what she's going
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  to do. She just told me she's going to some
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  old guy's house and inaudible, get my shoes in, go shopping.
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  So I was like okay, and then we went. I
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  don't know what day it was because she picked me up.
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  I'm pretty sure it was a Saturday or a Sunday.
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  So she picked me up and when we get in
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  the car and she inaudible, and then we left and
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  we were still driving and we went to his house
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  and we were waiting in the kitchen and the old
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  man came in and he's like, hello, I don't even
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  know I think it's Jeff. I'm Jeff. And then we
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  I'm like redacted and then she went upstairs and I
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  guess gave him money and she went back downstairs. We
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  weren't there. We were only there for thirty minutes, and
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  then we left. And then we go to Marshall's to
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  go get some a skirt and a purse. But she
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  didn't get the skirt. She only ended up getting the purse.
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  And that was like a black purse. Question, that's all
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  that happened. Answer, Uh huh. Question, Well, I'm hearing a
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  lot more happened. Answer like what I know? Like what
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  went around the school? Question like what went around the school?
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  Tell me what happened at school? Answer? In school, everybody
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  was saying that I got paid with the three hundred
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  dollars for the old man, that old guy, because he's Oh.
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  First of all, is that I got singered by the
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  old man, And then it was I had sex with
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  the old man, and then it was I'm a prostitute
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  and I got paid three hundred. Question? And who was
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  spreading these rumors? Answer this girl? She used to be
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  my friend, Sheena. But I guess question where would she get?
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  Answer after she cuts off the question from Zach because
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  I broke up with him? Well, that's what I think.
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  I think when I broke up with him, he got
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  very mad and told the girl because this girl she
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  hated me because I went out with him and she
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  likes them. Question which girl is this? Answer Shina question
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  Shena like Zach. Answer yes, question went out with them
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  so she started these rumors. Answer because I went out
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  to the fair and she was supposed to go with him,
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  but I guess he didn't like her, and then we
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  started talking and she got mad because I was talking
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  to him. Question what does can you tell me more
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  about Hayley? Answer? I don't really know that much. All
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  I know is that she The only thing I know
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  about her is that her boyfriend but then they broke up.
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  Like she met him at a party, That's the only
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  thing I know, and that she has brown hair, And
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  like I don't really know about her. I went to
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  her house. Question are you telling me and want you
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  to know something? Okay? Answer uh huh. Question regardless of
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  what had happened. Okay, I'm being very honest. You're not
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  in trouble for anything. Answer I know. Question whether you
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  did something with this man or not? Answer uh huh.
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  Question whether you did something with this man? What I'm
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  trying to do is find out if this type of
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  thing is going on and you're not the only one.
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  And I don't think you are the only one. Answer
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  I don't think so either. Because the other kid, Anthony,
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  he knows Haley too, and I cause he's telling me,
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  He's like, where do you know Hailey? And then I
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  was like, she's my boyfriend's cousin. Oh that girl's bad,
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  And I'm like, oh, okay, too bad. Question did you
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  do anything with this man? Answer? No, we just went
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  upstairs and just got money. And I don't know. Question
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  what did you do when you went upstairs? Answer? I
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  don't It was me in the kitchen if you went
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  upstairs with the for like five minutes. Question who went upstairs?
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  Answer the old guy? I think his name. I'm pretty
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  sure that his name's Jeff and Hayley and the woman
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  I don't know. I think it's his assistant. Question Okay,
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  do you remember what her name was? Answer? I have
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  no idea what her name was? Question can you describe
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  her to me? Answer? Blonde, tall, taller than me? Question
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  how tall are you? Answer? I have no idea. Five
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  something question okay? And they didn't talk about anything in
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  front of you. Answer. No, They just I introduced myself
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  and I was like, he goes, hi, I'm Jeff, and
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  I was like, hi, I'm redacted. And then they were like, okay,
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  you can come with us. And then they walked upstairs
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  through the kitchen and then like a little doorway and
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  the stairs going up, and all I could see was
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  like a picture on the wall as you go up. Question. Okay,
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  so you're describing it with your hands, so in front
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  of you as a kitchen answer like the door is here?
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  Question to the right as a door answer, uh huh.
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  And then you walk in and there's a table with
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  like a sink right there that was the big island
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  table question uh huh. Answer, And there's like a little
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  circle of chairs that you could sit on answer a
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  question stools, answer stools. And we were just sitting there
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  waiting because he wasn't there yet. Then he came inside
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  after we were standing there about five minutes because like
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  there was a gate and a bodyguard guy. When we
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  opened the gate and knocked on the door security, some
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  guy like a bodyguard kind of type of guy, same
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  guy walked up and he's like, excuse me, what are
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  you here? For and we're here to see Jeff. And
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  then he was okay, well come inside, Jeff will be
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  here in like five minutes. And then we waited and
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  he was like, you can help yourself to a drink,
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  and then he left. And then two minutes after the
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  guy left, Jeff and a lady walked in and they
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  introduced themselves and we're like, hi, my name is redacted,
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  and then she's like Haley and all, and then there's
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  like a walk in door thing and you walk in
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  like a cabinet thing, not a cabinet but the island thing,
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  and then the door would be right there. Question okay,
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  answer yeah. Question so they walked away out of your sight. Answer,
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  uh huh, Well there was another girl there. I was
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  never by myself. I don't remember the girl's name, but
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  she's Haley's friend. Question okay, answer she was Haley's. Question
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  what is Haley? Do you have any idea of what
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  why this woman? This assistant would ask if Haley had
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  anybody with her? Answer, I don't know, but you call
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  the lady. She really like an audible. I don't know
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  what's wrong. I mean when she walked in, she was
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  kind of like, I don't know, but she was just
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  she couldn't say anything about her. She was just first
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  name and then that's it. And then she was just
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  like right to the point. She didn't try to be friendly,
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  you know. Question what do you mean she didn't try
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  to be friendly. Answer she wasn't like hi, I'm like,
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  you know, she was just like hi. I don't remember
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  her name, but she said she was from Ohio. I
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  remember that. Question and your friend or Haley's friend stayed
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  in the car. Answer No, she was with us when
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  we walked in and she sat. She was just there.
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  She didn't do anything. She was with me. We were
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  right at the table, like we were sitting having a
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  conversation for like two seconds. Then Haley came back downstairs
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  and then she's like thanks, Jeff, and I'm like bye, Jeff,
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  and then the other girl was like bye, and then
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  we left. Question Okay, did Haley tell you what was
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  going on upstairs? Answer? No, she just I didn't ask because,
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  like Haley, the only reason I know the money was
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  to go shopping. Question did she give you any money? Answer?
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  Uh huh? Question how much money? Answer three hundred? Question
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  what did you do with the three hundred? Answer? I
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  didn't spend it. And then I went to school and
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  then my principal because I got into a fight with
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  a girl, Sheena, for saying that. Because she said that
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  I was I had done all of that to the
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  old man to get money, and that's not true. That's
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  why I got really angry when we inaudible before that.
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  And then I went to the office the principal, but
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  actually she didn't say anything at first, and then she
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  was like, Sheena told her side of the story. Can
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  I see her purse? And I was like, go ahead,
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  and I'm like yes. And then my dad, my dad,
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  and the principal and my stepmom they were like, why
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  did you do that with an old man? And who
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  is the old man? I'll kill him, blah blah blah.
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  And then I was like I didn't do anything. I
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  didn't do anything, and they didn't believe me, and I
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  kind of got mad at them, and then the whole thing.
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  That's when I moved back to my mom's house because
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  my dad thought I was a prostitute. Question you know
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  that just because something may have happened, that doesn't make
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  you a prostitute. Answer I know, question, Do you answer yes?
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  All right? We're gonna wrap up right here, and then
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  the next episode dealing with the topic, we're gonna pick
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  up where we left off. All of the information that
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