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The atmospheric experiment who controls the skies · Cultural Wars | America Out Loud News

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  Now, let's get started with today's conversation.
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  Today we are talking with author, independent researcher Peter Kirby to discuss his new book, Chem Trails Exposed, a Manhattan Project, the book that presents the evidence that the government and the mainstream media ignore.
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  Peter, welcome so much to the Ten Penny Files.
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  I'm really looking forward to this conversation.
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  Well, thanks for having me, Sherry.
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  It's an honor to be here.
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  I've been following your work over the years.
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  So it's it's really great to be here today doing this.
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  You know, I've heard you say before, and because I've listened to some of your interviews, that you have been researching this for 17 years.
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  What got you started into exploring this topic?
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  Well, I you know, I I became aware of the fact that our entire society is pretty much immersed in all these overwhelming conspiracies.
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  And uh, you know, I was uh trolling around in the new media around in 2009, finding these things, and just out of curiosity, you know, I was uh I was checking all these things out, and you know, without muddying the waters and getting into all what the other conspiracies are, one of the things that I was looking at was the chemtrail thing.
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  You know, it it was it was brought to my attention by the you know, little web websites and forum websites and videos, and you know, this was the new media in in 2009.
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  It really didn't amount to much, but you know, I was finding little nuggets of information, and this chemtrail story was just one of the things I was looking at, and I initially dismissed it because it didn't make any sense to me.
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  You know, spraying planes out of spraying uh things out of planes is about one of the worst things you can do to a society and a land, so and a country.
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  So, you know, you're just destroying everything, you know, as you could assume that the stuff that they're spraying is probably toxic.
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  And so uh, you know, I just said that doesn't make any sense, you know, why that doesn't why would they do that?
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  This is the question that most people have like what would be the motive for doing that.
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  So I wrote it off.
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  But hope you don't hear this noise in the background.
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  But it planted the seed.
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  You know, I thought to myself, okay, these people say that things are being sprayed out of planes.
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  And uh so I'm gonna start looking for stuff in the sky that you know comes out of planes.
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  And I was living in San Francisco at the time, so it was a little difficult because it had a lot of cloud cover at the time.
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  Now it's like sunny every day there.
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  But you know, at the time it was kind of hard to find patches of of clear sky.
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  But I eventually did start seeing little bits of things that you know, maybe that's one, maybe that's one.
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  And then one day there was a large portion of the sky that was clear, and I saw a big line stretching across it, and it was like getting punched in the gut.
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  Because I knew that that was particulate matter straight off.
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  Because I know what an actual contrail looks like.
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  I recognize it as a kid.
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  It's like a very small little tail that appears as a as a small little tail on a on a plane high in the sky on a cold day.
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  And yet here's this line stretching from over a vast portion of the sky, and it's particulate matter.
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  And, you know, so I knew that this was something that that I had to fight.
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  And the the I just, you know, got on the internet and started looking at things and battling the trolls and whatnot.
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  But also one of the first things that I did was I said to myself, Well, I'm here in California.
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  The government does absolutely everything, right?
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  They're they're going to have some government agency that's monitoring the air for stuff that shouldn't be there.
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  So I've got I found the uh California Air Resources Board, otherwise known as the CARB.
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  And their their general purpose is to enforce the theory of man-made global warming.
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  But one of the things that they were doing, and I guess they continue to do, was to monitor the air for everything that's that's in the air.
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  And on their website, they classified both aluminum and barium as toxics.
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  And they also said that neither one of those should be in the air at all.
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  And yet you go to another page on their website where you can generate charts of these uh these substances, aluminum and barium in the ambient atmosphere, and you see that there is elevated and rising levels of both aluminum and barium.
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  And so I took screenshots and I did a story about it, and I actually just posted it on some form website called uh Godlike Productions that's actually still around today.
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  And uh, you know, my editor at Activist Post, Michael Edwards, the former editor at Activist Post and the website sold over a year ago.
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  But uh Michael Edwards, he he found that somehow.
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  I guess maybe someone sent it to him.
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  I don't know if he was trolling godlike productions at the time.
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  Someone probably sent it to him, but he just posted it as an article on Activist Post, and that's how I got started in the new media.
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  And you know, since then it's been 17 years of doing deep research.
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  I did upwards of a hundred interlibrary loans.
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  I read hundreds of books, made thousands of photocopies.
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  I had access to the Northern Regional Library Facility, which is the book depository for all of the Northern California UC schools, including UC Berkeley, which was involved in the original Manhattan Project.
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  So they had tons of stuff on weather modification.
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  I had access to the uh libraries on the campus of UC Berkeley.
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  Costs $100 a year to uh have access to all this stuff if you're not a UC Berkeley student.
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  But you know, I've I've found bombshell after bombshell, and uh it's all it's all the most the most important parts of of my research is in the Skyhorse edition of Chemtrails Exposed, the new Manhattan Project, which came out on the 20th of last month.
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  So, you know, I think that this book really exposes the whole thing from top to bottom.
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  There's been a lot of confusion pertaining to this issue.
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  Uh, because uh, you know, there's uh obviously a well-oiled disinformation apparatus that's gone about creating this confusion.
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  And you know, there's disinformation agents as usual pertaining to all these types of things.
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  You know, you I'm sure you've you're very well aware of these uh COVID shot disinformation artists.
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  But you know, I think this this book, if people read it, though they will they will have absolute clarity as to what's going on here, and that's why this book is so important, because you know, we're we're we're bringing knowledge to the people, and we can be united in in common knowledge.
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  If you read the book, everything makes sense, everything fits together, and you'll you'll understand exactly what's going on here.
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  There are details of it that we still don't know, of course.
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  This is a secret project, and we're working on those.
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  But as far as the grand 40,000 foot overview is concerned, this book will give it to you.
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  Well, it's quite a book.
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  It's more than 500 pages with lots of diagrams and uh a lot of charts and things like that.
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  In the title of your book, Chem Trails Exposed a New Manhattan Project.
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  Why do you call it a new Manhattan Project?
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  Well, for a lot of reasons.
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  I mean, straight off the one that that comes to mind is uh the former head of the Atomic Energy Commission, which was what became of the original Manhattan Project, Glenn Seaborg was the number one proponent right after World War II of something called planetary engineering, which of course is synonymous with today's geoengineering.
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  And the geoengineers today say, you know, hey, we got to spray things out of planes to save you from global warming.
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  This is their big thesis.
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  Say, oh, we might do it somehow, you know, sometime, because you know, global warming is getting real bad, and we might have to spray you.
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  So, you know, we're getting about getting ready to do it.
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  You know, they've been saying this for decades while the program
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  Is going on.
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  But so there was that.
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  Former Manhattan Project Science scientist Glenn Seaborg.
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  I mean, you had Edward Teller talking about how we can detonate bombs in the atmosphere to uh to modify the weather.
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  So he was a former planet uh original Manhattan Project Scientist.
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  Uh we had uh a lot a lot of former Manhattan Project scientists have have did uh later contributions to the atmospheric sciences and/or weather control, such as Teller, John von Neumann, Van Ever Bush, Bernard Vonnegut, and many others that that most people haven't heard of.
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  Um, you know, it's it's a big secret government project, just like the original Manhattan Project.
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  Weather control is a physics problem, you know, for the physical sciences, which is you know what the original Manhattan Project was all about.
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  There's been plenty of prominent people making comparisons between nuclear bombs and storms.
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  These were made by Langmuir and Teller as well as Chauncey Guy Suits, who was the director of research at General Electric Laboratories, General Electric brought us the birth of the conventional cloud seating industry in uh late 1946.
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  Uh that was Lang Muir Fonnegate and Schaefer.
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  We have uh lots of calls for a new Manhattan Project and weather control.
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  These were made by the famous weather modifier Howard T.
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  Orville, who was also Eisenhower's science advisor.
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  Calls a call for a new Manhattan Project and weather control was also made by Rear Admiral Luis de Flores, who was a CAA who uh headed was the chairman of a secret CIA science advisory board.
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  We have uh the House Committee on Government Reform hearing in 2006, which was titled Climate Change Technology.
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  Do we need a Manhattan project for the environment?
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  Question mark.
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  You know, we had uh in the famous document owning the weather in 2025 and the executive summary, they compared the uh nuclear bombs to uh or they can they excuse me, they called for a new Manhattan Project and weather control.
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  And then the last one I have here is uh geoengineers and uh in in testimony, congressional testimony in 2009 and 2010.
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  Uh there were multiple calls for a new Manhattan Project and weather control made by these geoengineers.
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  So there, you know, it goes on and on.
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  It just pops up over and over again in my book.
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  There was this Jason group that was uh deeply involved in weather control.
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  You've probably heard of them.
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  There was a book written about them, and uh it was comprised uh almost entirely of former Manhattan Project scientists and their students.
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  So, you know, uh that now that the I've exhausted everything, but I think that's quite a few things, you know.
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  A lot of things.
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  Well, in brief, in like one or two sentences for the audience that may not know the answer to this.
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  What was the Manhattan Project in its original form?
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  Yes.
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  Time has almost forgotten the original Manhattan Project.
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  It's been so long ago, is it 80 years, I guess now.
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  And uh yeah, it was uh the secret government project that was done to create the world's first atomic bombs.
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  There were three of them.
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  There was one that was done as a test in New Mexico, this is known as the Trinity bomb.
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  Then there was Hiroshima and Nagasaki, but you know, the the whole project, I think it was like it was at least tens of thousands of people.
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  I think it was like 20,000 or 40,000.
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  I don't have the number in front of me, but a very large number of people were involved in this project, but they had no idea what it was what it was, what exactly you know, why they were doing all this.
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  This was because of compartmentalization.
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  You know, you're not told anything except what you need to know.
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  And the CIAA is great at doing this.
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  They've they've been doing it for a very long time, ever since the original Manhattan Project.
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  And well, they were actually, you know, they were a different group.
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  They were formed in 1947, but it was basically the same people uh during the time of the original Manhattan Project.
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  And you know, nobody knew what anything was until the bombs went off.
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  And then they all said, ah, that's what we've been working on, right?
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  So the parallel to what's going on here, you've got obviously got to have a lot of people involved in this thing.
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  I think AI is running it, and there's a lot of automation going on, but there's still you still need a lot of people to be doing certain things.
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  It uh, you know, pertaining to what I call the New Manhattan Project.
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  And I think they're all kept in the dark through compartmentalization.
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  This and my book, Chemtrails Exposed, the New Manhattan Project is here to break that compartmentalization.
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  Well, I think that that's really, really important.
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  And um, and I think you're right, because there I think there's a lot of projects that are like that.
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  You know, there the compartmentalization because people would say, how how could they keep that so secret?
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  For example, like what was happening with COVID, you know, you know, thousands, if not more, people were involved in the planning, but I think it was all compartmentalized, so that's a really, really good example.
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  I want to I'm sure that you've received enormous criticism about your book and have had lots of criticism in the last 17 years.
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  So I really applaud Skyhorse for taking a look at this, and you've got obviously enough documentation that Tony Lyons, who's the the owner and president of Skyhorse said, this is really great stuff, and it's really important and needs to get out.
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  I have a question that I want to ask you because this has to do with criticism.
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  I have a really good friend who is a is a retired um commercial airline pilot.
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  It was a pilot for for decades.
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  And he is uh rather outspork spoken critic critic about the concept that chem sales don't resist.
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  So I'm gonna read you just a really short little uh sentence that he sent me, and then I'd like you to comment on it.
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  Um he said that this year that every year the Earth's oceans and deserts hurl 5,000 megatons of particles from the uh air in the from the salts from the sea salt, dust, and volcanoes.
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  That's five billion tons, invisible but massive.
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  Hurricanes lift them into the stratosphere, far higher than jets fly.
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  These natural aerosols scatter sunlight, seat clouds, and shape weather long before mankind ever flew an airplane.
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  Jet engines in the troposphere inhale this stuff, and that's why it's found in the contrails.
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  Which so he's making the the uh statement that all of the particulate matter and stuff that comes down back to Earth has already been previously tossed up into the air by tsunamis and volcanoes and things like that.
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  How would you respond to that information?
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  Well, uh I think he's incorrect.
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  He's talking about naturally occurring nuclei things, things that natur have naturally uh been floating around in the upper uh troposphere that are necessary for the formation of of uh raindroplets and rain.
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  But uh, you know, what we're finding, you know, we we can prove that uh chemtrails are not contrails and that we're looking at particulate matter.
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  First of all, we know it's particular matter.
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  He's not denying that it's particulate matter.
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  So, you know, that's that's fine, and we can prove that the stuff that comes out of the planes is particulate matter as well.
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  But um what we have found in in 28 peer-reviewed journal articles by a world-famous PhD scientist and and the sitting director of the Monroe County, Florida Dev Department of Health, is that we have the chemical signature of coal fly ash in all of the environmental samples that that they have sampled.
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  So, you know, he what your source is talking about.
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  You know, what I would ask him is that why do we keep on finding the chemical signature of coal fly ash then?
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  And why do we have this this huge uh body of circumstantial evidence that I go over in the book uh, you know, indicating that coal fly ash what would be a good substance to to use and that it is being used in these programs.
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  So I think he's uh vastly incorrect in in what he's saying.
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  Uh why is it that we see these lines coming out of planes, you know, all of a sudden.
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  This all started in night in the mid-1990s, before the mid-1990s.
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  You would be hard pressed to find any plane that was leaving any type of line over the sky.
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  I mean, they've been spraying us whip with whatever they want whenever they want since the end of World War II, but it's been on uh, you know, a lot smaller scale uh previous to 1996.
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  And uh so, you know, I I think he's uh very incorrect as to what he's saying, and you know, what you're telling me that that he's saying, and I can you know refute his uh his assertions uh more than one way.
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  Well, that's that's really good.
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  You know, I read a book, this was uh maybe 15 years ago now.
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  The title of the name of the book was germs, and they were talking about spraying uh seration arcession, which is a type of bacteria all along the West Coast to see how far inland it would go, thinking that this was a benign bacteria, and other than just finding it, it wouldn't cause any health issues.
• 19:25
  Well, not only did it cause health issues, some people died from the from pneumonia that they got from this.
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  So that's just confirming from another source, and you said you've read hundreds of books that talk about that they've been spraying all kinds of stuff for a long time.
• 19:38
  Tell us, you know, in your book, you you go through a long list of whistleblowers.
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  So tell us about some of the whistleblowers that you've spoken with, and why did they decide to come forward on this issue?
• 19:50
  Well, you know, well, there's there's there's some whistleblowers.
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  We're we're a little bit lacking in in whistleblowers.
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  I think for a couple of reasons.
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  One is the automation.
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  I think you know, they've the people
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  Running this project have gone about eliminating any potential whistleblowers uh uh extensively.
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  But uh most of the whistleblower, and I haven't been talking to any any whistleblowers uh off the top of my head.
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  Uh Dane has talked to some whistleblowers.
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  Most of the whistleblowers are retired pilots, and there's been about 20 of those.
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  We have uh two uh former Air Force generals, one a brigadier general, one a major general, one with the last name of Jones.
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  This is all in my book.
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  And uh, you know, they're they're they're saying that planes are not supposed to be producing these long lines in the sky that just last, you know, over the course of hours and things.
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  But I think that the most important, and then there was also uh a geoengineer, or he's I don't know if he's called if he calls himself a geoengineer.
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  I call him a climate guru by the name of Tim Lenton, who uh says, you know, we have an ongoing uncontrolled experiment.
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  He said this twice.
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  He said it to uh Colin Pritchard in the UK, who's a uh professor over there uh at some college or other.
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  And so that that I that could be considered another whistleblower.
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  But I think the most important whistleblower that we've had so far came forward to Dane, Dane Wiggington at GeoengineeringWatch.org.
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  This was uh Michael Davis from the EPA, the environmental protection agency.
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  He was fired from his job for for blowing the whistle.
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  And he says that, yeah, Dane covered it in an article, it's in my book, and Dane has a whole interview with him on the article that was posted on his on his website, geoengineeringwatch.org.
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  And this guy, Michael Davis says that pretty much everybody at the EPA knows that this is going on from you know the contamination of our biosphere from all this stuff that they're spraying on us, and they just do nothing.
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  And they just figure, you know, I'm not gonna rock the boat, I'm just gonna get my paycheck and my pension and just you know, watch the world burn and watch everything die because that's what's happening.
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  So uh, you know, I I I hope, I hope we can get more and even better whistleblowers in the future who are higher up in the food chain on this thing.
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  But Michael Davis uh should not be disregarded.
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  I mean, he's he's you know putting it all on the line right there.
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  That's where the real danger is.
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  You know, I'm just a guy that reads things and puts things together and regurgitating recurgitates them on the internet.
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  I mean, he's somebody who's been hands-on watching all this take place, and uh, you know, he has direct knowledge of all this and who's covering it up exactly.
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  Lee Zelden, the head of the EPA, he's not to be trusted.
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  He came out with something about like, oh, we're really looking into chemtrails because everybody's talking about all he did was put a different spin on the same old garbage that we've been shoveled for you know decades.
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  He just put lipstick on a pig, is all he did.
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  He's not doing anything.
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  So, you know, the EPA is definitely culpable here.
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  They they should be ringing every alarm bell, but they they sit there and do basically nothing.
• 22:50
  Well, the APA does basically nothing on a lot of areas, not only this one, you know, like the the whole pesticide immunity bill that is probably going to get passed because there's no suppression on it on either side of the aisle.
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  They sort of wink at it, and there's a whole bunch of things in water and soil and things like that.
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  But talking about government, what did you make of Robert Kennedy Jr.'s statement that DARPA is responsible for chemtrails?
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  You know, I saw it as a big win.
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  I saw it as a big win, although it was like 10 months ago and nothing has happened since.
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  But, you know, I saw it as a big win.
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  He for I mean, he came out and he gave us three pieces of red meat.
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  He said, first of all, yeah, we are being sprayed.
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  He said, second of all, it's in the jet fuel, which I'll talk about in a second.
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  And he said DARPA's behind it, the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency.
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  So I mean, you know, it's it's important to have a very probably the second most prominent person in the Trump administration saying that, yeah, this is going on, and this is who's doing it.
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  And we have to take into consideration that he's not going to say something like that unless Trump gives him the okay.
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  You know what I mean?
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  So Trump knows, and a little birdie tells me that he knows all about it.
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  And uh, I'm not the greatest journalist in the world.
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  I should have followed up with when someone told me that I should have followed up with, well, why doesn't he do anything about it?
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  But you know, really at my core, I'm an artist and I'm a very tolerant and passive person.
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  I'm not really press.
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  I don't press people, so I'd kind of let that opportunity slip by.
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  But uh, you know, there's uh so but let's talk a little more about RFK's comment.
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  It's very interesting that he said it's in the jet fuel.
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  Now, I do believe the primary way these substances are getting up there is by payload spraying.
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  I I, you know, for because of the massive amounts of material that we're seeing in the skies.
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  You know, this is not just a like a little jet fuel additive, you know what I mean.
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  This is tons, megatons of stuff.
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  And uh so uh, but we have uh evidence of jet fuel being spiked.
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  I think what they're what the geoengineers and the people behind this project want is getting as many particles up there as they can.
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  So this is just another way that they probably do it.
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  Uh there's a there was a UC San Diego professor by the name of Stanford Solomon Penner, who wrote a bunch of papers about how a jet fuel coal mixture could be used to produce more and better particles coming out the back of jet airplanes to save us from global warming.
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  And as I mentioned earlier, we found the chemical signature of coal fly ash.
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  So, you know, this this comment by uh Penner is uh is very uh interesting, talking about a jet fuel coal mixture.
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  And then so uh DARPA, let's talk about how he says DARPA, the defense advanced research projects agency is behind it as well.
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  And there's other uh evidence in my book talking about uh jet fuel spiking, but that's the most pertinent one.
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  But DARPA DARPA is where Operation Paperclip went.
• 25:56
  I have a whole chapter in my book called the Nazis and the CIA, and how all these former Nazi scientists got later got involved in in the atmospheric science uh sciences.
• 26:06
  You know, this was all a secret thing.
• 26:07
  Operation Paperclip brought in 1,600 former Nazi scientists and their families directly after World War II.
• 26:14
  If it was, it would have been exposed at the time, the nation would have been in an uproar, but it was all secret.
• 26:20
  And they were all brought in, they were all compromised, and they were all gonna do what they were told.
• 26:24
  So they they eventually got involved in in things.
• 26:27
  Uh there was one in particular.
• 26:29
  This guy's name keeps on Hans Dolzalek was his name.
• 26:33
  He was a former Nazi scientist, and his area of expertise was right in line with the what I call the New Manhattan Project.
• 26:41
  His area of expertise was uh atmospheric electricity, atmospheric electricity, and you know, how that pertains to the atmospheric sciences.
• 26:51
  So that I mean, you know, because the defining aspect of what I call the New Manhattan Project is the use of electromagnetic energy.
• 26:58
  This is what defines it.
• 27:00
  This is what differentiates it from the traditional cloud seeding industry.
• 27:04
  So there's that.
• 27:05
  DARPA was the uh big the uh it was something called uh the Department of Defense Research and Engineering Enterprise, a department of DARPA.
• 27:15
  That's where Operation Paperclip went.
• 27:17
  That's where it eventually ended up.
• 27:19
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• 34:04
  Today our conversation is with author and independent researcher, Peter Kirby, and his book is Chemtrails Exposed, a new Manhattan Project, the book that presents the evidence that the government and the mainstream media are ignoring.
• 34:19
  But let me tell you a little bit more about today's guest, Peter Kirby.
• 34:22
  Mr.
• 34:22
  Kruby is an American author and independent researcher whose work focuses on geoengineering, particularly in relation to climate modification.
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  His writing blends historical research, government documents, and interviews with scientists, whistleblowers, and activists.
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  He argues that weather modification and solar radiation management technologies have been developed and deployed with limited public awareness or consent.
• 34:50
  His work has made him a recognizable voice within grassroots movements, concerned about climate intervention technologies and the long-term environmental and health implications of such programs.
• 35:02
  Peter, welcome back to the show.
• 35:04
  It is just so great to have a conversation with here today in your book, ChemTales Exposed.
• 35:09
  And what we were talking about previously was that uh uh before the break, I want to go back to circle back to what you were saying about DARPA, and then I want to ask you about who's the bad guys.
• 35:20
  Who are the guys that we actually can incriminate for this uh weather modification?
• 35:26
  So start with DARPA and then tell us who we should go after.
• 35:31
  Okay, getting right to the heart of the issue here.
• 35:34
  But first, let's take a little detour and finish up on the DARPA thing.
• 35:38
  We're talking about DARPA because RFK made a comment saying that DARPA's behind the chemtrails.
• 35:45
  So, you know, we talked a little bit about Operation Paperclip and how that eventually got folded into DARPA, as well as uh Stanford Solomon Penner, the UC SD professor who talked about a jet fuel coal mixture that could be evidence of jet fuel spiking going on, which uh something that RFK was talking about.
• 36:04
  But the last two things I have here.
• 36:06
  ARPA, you know, the predecessor to DARPA, the advanced research projects agency.
• 36:11
  DARPA and ARPA have been active in in areas uh relevant to the new Manhattan Project, such as ionospheric heaters.
• 36:20
  Uh this is, you know, like the HARP facility in Alaska, the high frequent frequency active rural research project.
• 36:26
  And there's a lot of these ionospheric heaters all over the world, but DARPA hasn't been involved over the decades in uh producing these things, developing these things.
• 36:35
  Uh DARPA has also been involved in atmospheric sounding rockets, which are pertinent to the New Manhattan Project because it's part of the atmospheric sciences, and they've also been deeply involved in supercomputers, which are going to be needed for this project.
• 36:51
  And and then also, I think the most damning piece of evidence pertaining to DARPA is the fact that they oversee the mitre corporation.
• 37:00
  And that leads into your next question.
• 37:02
  You know, who's doing this?
• 37:03
  And uh, I don't know how the mitre corporation wouldn't know about this.
• 37:07
  The mitre corporation has built every aerospace command center in the country.
• 37:13
  There's uh three that I mentioned in the book.
• 37:15
  One is under the Pentagon, one is uh Strategic Air Command in Nebraska, and then the famous one is NORAD in Colorado and DAR, uh excuse me, the MITRE Corporation has built all of them.
• 37:27
  And they've developed all of the leading air traffic control programs, the software for air traffic control, including the one that's in use today.
• 37:37
  And you know, there they were they the mitre corporation started in 1958 by receiving something that came out of government documents mandating the creation of a second generation comprehensive weather control program.
• 37:57
  This was uh these were the Von Karman reports uh officially known as uh Toward New Horizons, and they created something called the Air Force Scientific Advisory Board, which took orders from the Rand Corporation, and they also had a workshop called the Cambridge Air Force Research Laboratories.
• 38:15
  So they had everything they need there to go forward with these uh mandates that were created by Von Karman and his group, which included General Lemay, as well as another guy named uh Walkowitz that I talk about extensively in the book.
• 38:30
  So the mitre corporation is at the top of the list for people to subpoena.
• 38:35
  You know, if you look at their website and you'd think that all they're involved in is like petting zoos and you know, photography projects or something like that.
• 38:42
  But uh, you know, I have evidence to the contrary.
• 38:44
  They wrote a self-published autobiography of their company back in uh I guess it was in the 70s or something.
• 38:52
  It has a lot of great information in there.
• 38:55
  Uh, there may be there may not be a single book that's more important to the the new Manhattan, what I call the new Manhattan Project.
• 39:02
  So there's that.
• 39:03
  You know, we need to subpoena the mitre corporation, and this is why I favor the uh creation of a federal grand jury to to you know have subpoena power and you know say, hey, we have evidence that you guys are involved in this.
• 39:17
  And so, but then the other companies that I would I would suggest that we subpoena would be the would be Textron, which is uh heavily implicated in this whole thing.
• 39:26
  Another one would be uh Boeing.
• 39:28
  I mean, there's only one uh aircraft manufacturer and in America, a major aircraft manufacturer.
• 39:36
  And uh, you know, there's evidence that their KC-135 as well as their 707 and other related aircraft have been involved in these things.
• 39:45
  I don't know how they wouldn't know about it.
• 39:48
  And then Halliburton would be another one.
• 39:50
  They they were the company where dresser industries went.
• 39:53
  Dresser, so basically Halliburton today is the company that's got a strength.
• 40:00
  Strangle hold on the whole scene of electrostatic precipitators.
• 40:06
  Okay, they they basically they're the company responsible for taking that coal fly ash out of the the coal-fired power plants and and you know whisking it away and supposedly putting it in a dump somewhere of the you have these gigantic mountains of coal fly ash, you know, and we found the chemical signature of this.
• 40:23
  So, you know, they're the ones handling the coal fly ash.
• 40:25
  And this is all Bush family stuff, you know, both Halliburton and uh dresser dresser industries are uh are steeped in in the uh lore of the Bush family, you know, they've owned shares, but members of the Bush family have owned personally owned shares of dresser industries, uh, you know, which is which is the company that was previously handling the coal fly ash.
• 40:45
  So there's that.
• 40:46
  And then uh what other ones?
• 40:49
  There's a whole bunch of them.
• 40:50
  And the, you know, they always tend to slip my mind when when I'm asked this question.
• 40:55
  But uh, you know, I have extensive lists uh just just from reading the book.
• 40:59
  I made a whole list uh recently, which was is going to help me to the uh in my next excursion into uh deep research.
• 41:08
  And uh I have all this, I have lists uh of uh organ people and organizations that aren't even named in the book.
• 41:15
  Uh, but uh I've never made it public because it just wasn't exactly pertinent.
• 41:20
  It wasn't pertinent enough to put in the book, but it looks like they are involved.
• 41:24
  I mean, you know, if if you want people to subpoena, I have no shortage of of people that you should subpoena over this.
• 41:31
  I'm the I'm your guy if you get subpoena power on this thing.
• 41:35
  Well, you know, another implement uh department in the within the government, uh not alone, not only DARPA that uh is strongly implicated in your book, Chemterrails Exposed is the U.S.
• 41:46
  Department of Energy.
• 41:48
  What is their involvement about?
• 41:50
  Well, yeah, the U.S.
• 41:51
  Department of Energy, their lineage starts with the original Manhattan Project.
• 41:59
  Oh yeah, the um the original Manhattan Project became the Atomic Energy Commission, and then the Atomic Energy Commission became the Department of Energy.
• 42:10
  And uh the Atomic Energy Commission developed uh radioactive chemtrail, excuse me, chemical tracers that were sprayed from uh uh government, the environmental science services associate administration planes uh to uh to uh track and trace uh atmospheric movements.
• 42:30
  Um we had uh the uh atomic energy commission in initiating the founding of Lawrence Livermore National Labs, which is is heavily implicated in this thing.
• 42:40
  I have plenty of evidence in there.
• 42:42
  Uh John Von Neumann was big in the Atomic Energy Commission.
• 42:46
  Uh and he he's uh it looks like his his work is uh is particularly.
• 42:54
  And I have more of this here.
• 42:56
  Here we go.
• 42:58
  Um also we have um we have uh wireless power, the Department of Energy has been involved in wireless power.
• 43:06
  And I I speculate that in this as amazing as this sounds, the actual actually the evidence for this goes back over a hundred years to Nicola Tesla.
• 43:15
  Uh I have evidence indicating that the planes of today's new Manhattan Project, or excuse me, the uh proprietary aircraft.
• 43:22
  I do believe there's a proprietary fleet, not just the passenger and freight aircraft, but I do believe there's a proprietary fleet that is being powered wirelessly.
• 43:31
  I mean, Nicola Tesla was talking about doing this a long time ago.
• 43:35
  And there's actually one of the HARP patents, high frequency active auroral research has 12 patents associated with it.
• 43:42
  One of it, one of them actually speaks to exactly that, talking about powering aircraft in the sky wirelessly from HARP.
• 43:52
  And uh so uh, but also the Department of Energy has been in been involved in coal fly ash utilization.
• 43:58
  There's a whole field of uh using coal fly ash for different things because you know the uh power industry wants to do something with this coal fly ash rather than just put it in a dump.
• 44:09
  They want to get paid for it, right?
• 44:11
  And so there's there's actually things that they came up with that they can they can use coal fly ash for.
• 44:16
  It's a whole field of study.
• 44:17
  They hold symposia, or at least they were every year, uh coal fly ash utilization symposia.
• 44:23
  I have books that that cover the different symposia over the years, and the Department of Energy has been involved in that.
• 44:29
  The Department of Energy founded the program for climate model diagnosis and intercomparison uh at Lawrence Livermore National Labs.
• 44:38
  This was the big atmospheric modeling uh push that was done many years ago, and it was that had to do with Lawrence Livermore National Labs as well.
• 44:47
  We have many SRM geoengineering studies from the Department of Energy, solar radiation management geoengineering studies.
• 44:56
  This is the area of study that talks about we gotta spray things out of planes to save you from global warming.
• 45:01
  And they they they've been uh producing studies pertaining to the to this.
• 45:06
  So uh there's there's no shortage of connections there between uh you know the Department of Energy and what's going on in our skies today.
• 45:13
  So Peter, is all of this, and you know, I've been a friend of Dane Wiggington's, and I've spoken at his conference and I've followed a lot of his things for a long time.
• 45:21
  Is the solar radiation management is at its core?
• 45:25
  I mean, is it really just about blocking out the sun?
• 45:29
  You know, you you write in your in your um in your book, Chemtails Exposed that the term geoengineering was first introduced in 1977 on a paper entitled on geoengineering and the CO2 problem, way back in 1977, and yet we know unequivocally that CO2 is not a problem, that it's just a biological exchange of of elements in the air, and it's it's the food for all the plants that live on the planet.
• 45:58
  So is it is it just about blocking out the sun, or is there something more nefarious at the root of what they're why they're doing this?
• 46:08
  Oh, it's definitely nefarious.
• 46:10
  You know, when when you have a huge project like this, uh there's a whole bunch of reasons why they're doing it.
• 46:18
  But you know, I've had an epiphany about this recently.
• 46:22
  And I think really when you break it down, the the most important thing and the reason why they don't give up on these programs is because these programs do nothing but destroy.
• 46:34
  Now that sounds kind of weird, you know, that they're clinging to it because it destroys, but they want the natural world destroyed because they have something that they want to bring in.
• 46:46
  It's called the New World Order.
• 46:47
  It's their synthetic world that they've been working on forever for over a hundred years.
• 46:54
  You know, so what when you have planes flying over destroying everything, killing everything, and you know, with the UVB and the UVC, you're killing everything, not just the part particulate matter that that's so detrimental to life on on this planet and in this country.
• 47:11
  You're just clearing everything out of the way and creating a situation where people and life on this planet become dependent upon corporate products, become dependent upon the genetic modification of plants because they can't survive without the genetic modifications that they need to be able to continue to grow in a highly contaminated environment.
• 47:39
  And you know, it applied this this type of dynamic applies to to humans and everything, but uh, you know, there's there's so many motives going on.
• 47:48
  The the theory of man-made global warming is just again just used as an excuse for for you know whatever it is the government wants to do.
• 47:57
  And it's their it's their all-purpose excuse for everything, and and the new Manhattan Project is no exception.
• 48:03
  The real motives, I I assure you have nothing to do with saving the world from global warming.
• 48:08
  And I have a whole chapter in my book where we we talk about the real motives.
• 48:13
  Wow, that's really really interesting.
• 48:15
  And then you couple that up with AI and AGI and all of the things that will eliminate humans, you know, from the planet.
• 48:24
  So I agree with you that that's an that's a really important chapter in your book.
• 48:29
  I'm wondering why that there have been no pilots that have been arrested.
• 48:34
  You know, that we can track these planes from where they I mean, there's all sorts of tracking mechanisms of tracking planes that are creating uh stripes in the sky.
• 48:43
  We know where they take off, we know where they land.
• 48:45
  Why has no have no pilots been arrested?
• 48:50
  Well, they're being protected.
• 48:51
  You know, as I understand it, I'm not a lawyer and I'm not familiar with these laws, but as I understand it, if you're piloting a vehicle and it's spewing stuff out into the environment, you're responsible for that.
• 49:03
  Like if you're driving your car down the street and it's producing, you know, all big clouds of toxic stuff, and everybody's going and being, you know, hit with this stuff, that's a problem.
• 49:13
  And it's illegal, you know, because you're assaulting people, you're you're spraying them with stuff.
• 49:18
  So and you're the person that's ultimately in charge of your own vehicle, right?
• 49:22
  So I I don't know why there would be any difference.
• 49:24
  I mean, they've there's probably been some kind of legal immunity written in somewhere uh pertaining to all this.
• 49:31
  But yeah, we need to start going harder on the pilots.
• 49:33
  All of the whistleblowers, all the pilot whistleblowers that we've seen so far have been retired.
• 49:39
  Uh we don't have any active pilot whistleblowers so far because they'd probably immediately lose their jobs.
• 49:46
  And if a pilot ever goes to their higher ups, you know, asking questions about this, they're most probably told, you know, don't worry about it.
• 49:58
  We're saving the earth from global warming.
• 50:00
  There we have video of this one pilot uh who was confronted by by somebody, you know, because many years ago you could actually talk to the pilots before the plane takes off, right?
• 50:09
  They'd leave the door open and you could have a little bit of words with them.
• 50:12
  And so many years ago, somebody took their video camera on their, I guess it was their phone.
• 50:16
  This was when we we had phones, but they were still talking to us.
• 50:20
  And uh, you know, he he went in and confronted the pilot and he said, Hey, what about the chemtrails or something like that?
• 50:25
  And the pilot said, chemtrails are a necessary evil.
• 50:28
  So he knew about it.
• 50:30
  And and apparently he's been told that they're a necessary evil.
• 50:34
  He's been told, you know, don't worry about it.
• 50:37
  We're we're doing good work here.
• 50:39
  Uh, you know, we just gotta save everybody from global warming.
• 50:42
  So this is apparently the answer that they get, if ever, if ever any of them ever dares to question what's coming out the back of their plane.
• 50:50
  But you know, they they need to they need to step up.
• 50:53
  We need to have actual active pilots coming forward, telling their stories.
• 50:58
  You know, hopefully they've had some interaction with the with the higher ups and they can tell us about that.
• 51:03
  Because I mean, you know, this is another thing like the people at the EPA.
• 51:06
  It's like you're watching the world burn.
• 51:08
  You're watching everything die.
• 51:10
  I mean, what you want to continue to live in a world that doesn't function anymore.
• 51:14
  I mean, you know, what what are you doing here?
• 51:17
  There's things that are more important than than your paycheck.
• 51:20
  There are things that are more important than your pension.
• 51:23
  You know, I mean, we got to stop being the patsy, like uh Catherine Austin Fitz said.
• 51:27
  You know, I mean, you gotta step up and grow a backbone here.
• 51:31
  Because uh you're gonna be reviled when all this comes out.
• 51:35
  You know, you do you want to face that?
• 51:37
  Because you know, I I'm not a big cue believer, but I I you know, I I am intrigued by the statement that they're not going to be able to walk down the street anymore.
• 51:47
  You know what I mean?
• 51:48
  It's like because that's where this is going.
• 51:50
  I mean, you can't see the the groundswell of grassroots activism that that put Trump in the White House.
• 51:57
  You can't see that because we're coming, we're not stopping.
• 52:00
  You know what I mean?
• 52:01
  You better get straight like now.
• 52:03
  Like, so we got we gotta start going harder on the pilots.
• 52:06
  Yeah, I agree.
• 52:07
  You know, you mentioned uh the RAN Corporation and Um Mitre Corporation and Boeing and all these other places.
• 52:15
  Well, these people can't be involved with with this for free.
• 52:18
  Who's funding them and who's putting money in their pockets to to promote these pro these uh chemtrail spraying projects?
• 52:26
  We are the U.S.
• 52:29
  government is doing it, so they are doing it to our they are doing it to us and the rest of the world.
• 52:34
  Well, you know, the the current funding for it, the the most current funding for it.
• 52:41
  It's it's a little bit murky.
• 52:44
  But I I can tell you, you know, lots of sources of funding that have at least developed the project over the years.
• 52:51
  And you know, there's there's no shortage of these things.
• 52:54
  I mean, black budgets started with the original Manhattan Project.
• 52:57
  So right there, you can have tons of money just going to something and nobody ever knows what it is.
• 53:02
  I mean, you got you got uh very irresponsible people running the Federal Reserve Bank that just prints money at, you know, they say like, oh, we got to ask the treasury first to know there's this whole process.
• 53:13
  Yeah, right.
• 53:14
  They got all kinds of backdoors.
• 53:16
  You know, I don't believe this stuff about how there's some process to the Federal Reserve printing money.
• 53:21
  They just print money whenever they want and they just send it wherever they want, and it's total lawlessness.
• 53:26
  And uh, you know, that's there's some speculation involved there, but you know, please uh bear with me.
• 53:33
  But uh, you know, that's so there there's there's that.
• 53:35
  There's uh those two things black budgets and the Federal Reserve.
• 53:38
  And then there's the overt military budget.
• 53:40
  I mean, over the over the years, it could all this stuff, the whole development of it all can always just be justified as you know, military spending.
• 53:49
  We're developing a weapon system.
• 53:50
  I mean, for decades and decades, they were developing it, and that doesn't mean that they are eventually going to use it against the American public.
• 53:57
  So for decades and decades, you could just say, well, we're building a weapon system.
• 54:01
  I mean, you could even say it's a second generation weather modification system that we're gonna use against the enemy, but they ended up using it against us.
• 54:08
  That's the problem.
• 54:10
  And you know, but then in today's military budget, there's all kinds of code words and euphemisms and other camouflage that they can disguise all kinds of spending on all these kind of things.
• 54:20
  Uh, you know, the official policy of the government and the military is to fight climate change.
• 54:26
  We had a 2014 document from the Department of Energy called Climate Change Adaption Roadmap that said, yeah, global warming is a big problem.
• 54:35
  Military's got to do everything to stop it.
• 54:37
  So this is everything.
• 54:39
  Yeah, it's it's all nonsense, but you know, this is the rhetoric that we're being hit with every all the time.
• 54:44
  We have missing money.
• 54:45
  Catherine Austin Fitz again in 2018.
• 54:49
  She she found that we had 21 trillion missing.
• 54:52
  I mean, Rumsfeld, the day before 9-11, he comes out and says where there's 2.3 trillion missing.
• 54:57
  And then that was, you know, kind of forgotten due to the events of the following day.
• 55:02
  Peter, we're coming down.
• 55:04
  Peter, can you hear me?
• 55:05
  Yes, I can.
• 55:06
  Coming down to the last like two minutes of our show.
• 55:09
  So this is so important.
• 55:11
  And you want to get this information into the hands of people.
• 55:14
  So quickly, where can they best best buy your book?
• 55:18
  And how can they follow the additional work that you're doing out there?
• 55:23
  Well, the easiest place to find my book is to go to Amazon.com and uh, you know, just search chemtrails, and it's been coming up number one recently.
• 55:30
  It's supposed to, my book is also supposed to be on bookshelves everywhere, but I've been hard pressed to to find it anywhere.
• 55:37
  Um I'm trying to get answers on this.
• 55:39
  Uh it is being distributed by Simon and Schuster.
• 55:43
  So uh, you know, that that should be able to, you know, it should put it on bookshelves across the country.
• 55:49
  Um, I'm still hoping for that, and we're we're we're trying to figure that out.
• 55:54
  But uh what was the other part of the question?
• 55:56
  Sorry.
• 55:56
  Where do they follow you on social media?
• 55:58
  Social media, yes.
• 56:00
  I'm on I'm on X, which is kind of a new thing, uh Peter A.
• 56:04
  Kirby.
• 56:05
  And then I also have a show on uh Rumble called The Abstract, and I have a truth social channel by the same name, The Abstract.
• 56:14
  And but then if you want to see everything that I'm doing, you just go to my website, Peteracirby.com.
• 56:20
  Perfect.
• 56:20
  And all of those links will be down in the show notes from after this.
• 56:23
  So Peter, it's been so I was so looking forward to this conversation with you today because this is really a hot topic, and more and more people are aware of it.
• 56:32
  And I think that people feel like they don't know what to do about it.
• 56:35
  And your book gives them action steps and tells them what they can do, who they can follow, and what they can do about it, which I think is critically important.
• 56:44
  And your book is, you mean just the name, you know, chemta chemtrail exposed just speaks to everyone who's very conscious of what's happening in our skies.
• 56:54
  So thank you for your 17 years of research of writing so much and putting this all together.
• 56:59
  So with that, I want to thank all of our audience who's been here with us today.
• 57:02
  Please get this book, read it, pass it on to other people, write about it on your social media, have Peter on your show so he can talk more about this in more detail.
• 57:13
  It's a great way to get this information out that we so need in this country and around the world.
• 57:18
  So with that, I'm gonna close out with one of my favorite verses from the Bible.
• 57:21
  I close all my podcasts with, whether they are live or pre-recorded, which is Romans 12, 12.
• 57:27
  Rejoice in hope, be patient in trouble, and be persistent in prayer.
• 57:31
  We will see you tomorrow or the next time at 3 p.m.
• 57:35
  Eastern on America Out Loud.news, I and iHeartRadio, and all of my social media platforms under DRT at DRT.com and under at Busy Dr.
• 57:45
  T.
• 57:46
  Thank you so much for being here today, everyone.
• 57:48
  See you tomorrow or the next time on the 10 penny files.
• 57:51
  Goodbye and God bless.