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Notre Dame WIN Did NOT HAPPEN The Way We Expected - Fighting Irish WORRIED? | Michigan State · College Football Addiction: A Show About All Things College Football

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  Speaker 1: All right, where are we going next on this?
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  Speaker 2: We are going to East Lansing, or I guess really
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  Speaker 2: South Bend, which was a very weird game.
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  Speaker 3: Very weird game. Notre Dame beats Michigan State. Tom, we've
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  Speaker 3: done a lot of SEC. The SEC had a loaded slate.
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  Speaker 3: Last week, they've got a loaded slate coming up, but
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  Speaker 3: the Big Ten did play one team out of conference
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  Speaker 3: this week, not Portland State. It was Notre Dame, and
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  Speaker 3: Notre Dame won, maybe not the way that any of
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  Speaker 3: us predicted. We had Notre Dame winning big and said
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  Speaker 3: that they would kind of call their score This one
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  Speaker 3: was a little bit ugly. We are presented by Prize Picks. Tom,
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  Speaker 3: what were your thoughts on Notre Dame at Michigan State?
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  Speaker 4: Pat Fitzgerald has an identity, and what he was doing
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  Speaker 4: at Northwestern, he's doing all over again at Michigan State.
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  Speaker 4: So credit to Michigan State's defense because they played smart, tough,
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  Speaker 4: disciplined football. The hallmark of Pat Fitzgerald defenses is that
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  Speaker 4: they might not have the best athletes on the field,
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  Speaker 4: but they're going to be in position 99 times out
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  Speaker 4: of 100. and they drag you down. They want to
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  Speaker 4: play leather helmet football. Michigan State did exactly that. So
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  Speaker 4: credit to the Spartans in this game. On the flip side,
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  Speaker 4: Notre Dame's defense did pretty much whatever they wanted with
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  Speaker 4: Michigan State in this game. Milivojevic finishing the game, what
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  Speaker 4: was his stat line? Nine of 17 passing, two interceptions.
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  Speaker 4: Backup Fancher is a transfer. He was 0 for 1.
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  Speaker 4: Cam Edwards, who was supposed to be the bell cowl,
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  Speaker 4: 12 carries.
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  Speaker 5: For 38 yards, 3.2 yards per carry.
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  Speaker 4: Michigan State finished the game with 1.6 yards per carry,
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  Speaker 4: rushing 44 yards on the ground. That's as good of
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  Speaker 4: a day as Notre Dame could have asked for defensively.
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  Speaker 4: What everybody is going to focus on is what's going
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  Speaker 4: on with Notre Dame's offense. Because that was the point
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  Speaker 4: that people were saying, you know what? Notre Dame's just
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  Speaker 4: working on stuff. They've got their bigger games ahead of them.
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  Speaker 4: So we just need to tinker at this point in time.
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  Speaker 4: This was a decent.
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  Speaker 5: Day for C.J.
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  Speaker 2: Carr.
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  Speaker 4: I don't look at what he did as anything earth shattering.
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  Speaker 4: I thought he did just fine across the board. Statistically speaking,
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  Speaker 4: it looks good on paper, but it didn't blow you away,
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  Speaker 4: I guess. I guess the jury is still out in
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  Speaker 4: terms of who the number one running back is, because
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  Speaker 4: Aeneas Williams, you know, Noah's.
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  Speaker 5: Nolan James Jr.
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  Speaker 4: Was very good in this game on the ground, so
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  Speaker 4: they got some answers, but also some more questions there.
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  Speaker 4: Maybe the running back room is a little bit deeper
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  Speaker 4: than we thought it was going to be. And then
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  Speaker 4: you have a great game from Micah Gilbert and Jordan
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  Speaker 4: Faison comes in there, but Gilbert comes up with eight
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  Speaker 4: for 170. So there's some answers, but there's just some
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  Speaker 4: head scratchers with Notre Dame, and it's just– I think
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  Speaker 4: back to the game they had last year against Boston College. Granted,
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  Speaker 4: it was a road game. Eerily similar score. kind of
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  Speaker 4: in the ballpark of this where a Notre Dame team
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  Speaker 4: that was similar just kind of played down to their competition.
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  Speaker 4: And I was surprised to see that because if the
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  Speaker 4: mantra for Notre Dame coming into this season was leave
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  Speaker 4: no doubt, you didn't necessarily walk away from this one
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  Speaker 4: thinking like, hmm, Notre Dame just smoked them.
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  Speaker 5: And rolled on out of there.
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  Speaker 4: This was tougher than I think Notre Dame expected. Hats
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  Speaker 4: off to Michigan State on that one. But I'm still
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  Speaker 4: waiting to see Notre Dame put it all together offensively.
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  Speaker 2: I want to ask you, where do you rank Notre
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  Speaker 2: Dame in the top seven right now? Because a lot
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  Speaker 2: of people with the AP poll are losing their mind
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  Speaker 2: that Notre Dame is at three and Ole Miss with
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  Speaker 2: wins over Louisville and LSU is at four. And I
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  Speaker 2: get it. Because what's the impressive win? Not saying that
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  Speaker 2: it hasn't been good. Not saying that you aren't a
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  Speaker 2: national title contender. But what's the win that you're like, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: this is where we've seen them finally arrive?
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  Speaker 5: Just wondering.
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  Speaker 2: Not picking stones here. Just wondering.
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  Speaker 4: No, but I'm with you in that the two most
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  Speaker 4: impressive wins three weeks into the season belong to Ole Miss. Well,
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  Speaker 4: I would give Texas one. I'll give Texas one. But
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  Speaker 4: Texas stunk for three quarters, and they figured out the fourth. So,
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  Speaker 4: I mean, you know, it was– You beat the number
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  Speaker 4: one team in the country. So yes, I will give
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  Speaker 4: that to Texas. But for one team having played three
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  Speaker 4: games at this point, who has the most impressive resume,
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  Speaker 4: it's Ole Miss.
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  Speaker 3: Saban would actually give Ohio State's loss more credit than
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  Speaker 3: anyone else's wins if.
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  Speaker 1: You think about it that way. I'm going to use
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  Speaker 1: that all year.
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  Speaker 4: It's the challenge when it comes to the freaking AP
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  Speaker 4: poll is that there's the expectation of where The voters
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  Speaker 4: think that the team is going to end up what
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  Speaker 4: they thought they were in the preseason, having played no games.
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  Speaker 5: And now we've actually seen games play, like be played.
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  Speaker 5: Like you've seen how these teams have looked.
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  Speaker 4: Notre Dame has not played a truly credible top flight opponent.
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  Speaker 4: No disrespect to Michigan State and Wisconsin, who are Big
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  Speaker 4: Ten teams, who are Power Four teams, Power Two teams.
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  Speaker 4: But goodness, play somebody, and then we can move you
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  Speaker 4: to number three. But I would move them down at
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  Speaker 4: this point, and I get it. They won, so you
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  Speaker 4: can't penalize them. okay, well, we didn't really penalize Ohio
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  Speaker 4: State all that much in the grand scheme of things,
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  Speaker 4: and they lost this.
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  Speaker 5: I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, you can penalize them. Miami got penalized for
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  Speaker 2: winning and winning after it being a very ugly third
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  Speaker 2: and fourth quarter.
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  Speaker 4: I watched that Miami-Wake Forest game. Miami should get penalized
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  Speaker 4: for letting that game be close.
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  Speaker 2: Sure, but my point is, again, it's not that Notre
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  Speaker 2: Dame can't win a national title. I still have not
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  Speaker 2: sold any of my Notre Dame stock. But when we're
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  Speaker 2: trying to come up with reasons of why this team
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  Speaker 2: ranks where, It's very hard for me to say that
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  Speaker 2: because of Notre Dame was at the start a top
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  Speaker 2: seven team. Oh, because of other teams that had them lost,
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  Speaker 2: we're just moving them upwards. When there's been more impressive
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  Speaker 2: games and showcases from teams that have the same record
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  Speaker 2: as them. That being said, the reason why this game
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  Speaker 2: is weird is that you look at everything about this
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  Speaker 2: matchup and you say, there's no way that this should
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  Speaker 2: have been a 17 point affair. First down differential, nine.
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  Speaker 2: Total yard differential. Nearly 200. I mean, over 200. Passing differential.
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  Speaker 2: Almost 115. Running differential. 140. Time of possession. 37 minutes
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  Speaker 2: to 23 minutes. The only area where Notre Dame was
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  Speaker 2: actually worse than Michigan State was penalties.
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  Speaker 1: By one.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, and that's why it's so confusing. Micah Gilbert.
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  Speaker 2: had 170 receiving yards in this game. And he had
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  Speaker 2: one of the most impressive catches. Milosevic had 123 passing yards.
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  Speaker 2: The wide receiver, who was one weapon, had more receiving
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  Speaker 2: yards than Michigan State had passing. And so you just
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  Speaker 2: say to yourself, it was a down game that kind
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  Speaker 2: of ended in a lull, which you're allowed to have
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  Speaker 2: in college football. And at the end of the day,
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  Speaker 2: a win is a win. I just wonder what are
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  Speaker 2: we missing from this offense right now that I think
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  Speaker 2: needs to get to that next gear. I think that's
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  Speaker 2: where I'm at. I will fight back on one thing.
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  Speaker 2: I think that as much as Aeneas Williams is a
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  Speaker 2: fine running back, I'm giving the ball to Nolan James
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  Speaker 2: until he proves otherwise not. Nolan James looked really good
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  Speaker 2: in opportunities. He had a couple of explosive runs.
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  Speaker 4: And I think that's on Aeneas Williams for kind of
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  Speaker 4: like leaving the door open a little bit. like Nolan
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  Speaker 4: James being able to just take the job. And I
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  Speaker 4: don't know if that's going to be the case moving forward.
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  Speaker 4: Maybe it's a little bit running back by committee.
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  Speaker 5: Um, also CJ car really lit it up this year.
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  Speaker 2: He's been good, but good.
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  Speaker 1: I mean like, okay.
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  Speaker 2: Has arch really lit up this year or has he
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  Speaker 2: been good?
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  Speaker 1: Tom's an arch hater anyway.
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  Speaker 5: Exactly.
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  Speaker 1: You ain't going to get a pushback from him on that.
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  Speaker 5: I'm really not an Arch hater.
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  Speaker 1: I think he hates the hype around it.
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  Speaker 4: I hate that he could get drafted number one overall
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  Speaker 4: at some point because of his last name, and that's unfortunate.
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  Speaker 5: Sure. Look at the body of work. Look at the athlete.
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  Speaker 5: Look at what he's done.
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  Speaker 4: CJ Carr doesn't look like he's taken some gigantic leap
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  Speaker 4: from last season.
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  Speaker 5: He was good last season. He's good this season.
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  Speaker 4: But it's not like, for instance, Trinidad last year was
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  Speaker 4: playing a lot of backyard ball. He's got the backyard ball,
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  Speaker 4: but I wouldn't describe it as backyard ball anymore. It's
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  Speaker 4: improv plus playing within the structure of the offense.
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  Speaker 5: That's deadly.
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  Speaker 4: I haven't seen C.J. Carr get to the point where
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  Speaker 4: he's like, oh, I can elevate everybody around me. He
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  Speaker 4: seems like he's playing within the structure.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know if I'm pushing back so much
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  Speaker 3: on that or just kind of providing some context.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I still think he's been really good, though,
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  Speaker 1: and I think C.J.
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  Speaker 3: Carr– I don't know how much of a leap you'd
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  Speaker 3: like to see everybody take a leap year over year,
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  Speaker 3: but I don't know how much of a leap he
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  Speaker 3: needed to take with kind of where he was last year.
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  Speaker 3: Like he's still completing like 73% of his passes. You know,
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  Speaker 3: they're not, I mean, what did they ask him to
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  Speaker 3: throw like 22 times, 23 times?
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  Speaker 1: What did he have for?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Like, I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: They're not asking him to do a lot, but he's
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  Speaker 3: still incredibly efficient.
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  Speaker 1: And so I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: I think, I think he's been fine, but I also
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  Speaker 3: feel like Notre Dame is, It just doesn't, I don't,
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  Speaker 3: you would have really liked to see them just come
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  Speaker 3: out and go nuts in this game.
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  Speaker 1: And they just didn't.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: Right.
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  Speaker 1: Like, and, and credit to credit, they ran the ball.
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  Speaker 5: Well, credit Michigan state for what they did defensively. Like
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  Speaker 5: they do deserve their flowers.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, Notre Dame ran for 161 yards. They passed
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  Speaker 3: for two 34. They were incredibly balanced. They didn't make mistakes.
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  Speaker 3: They just weren't, I think they just had an opportunity
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  Speaker 3: to go, go, go crazy against Michigan state.
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  Speaker 1: And they didn't. And again, credit to the Spartans for that, but.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: It's a weird feeling of where do you put them
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  Speaker 2: right now?
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  Speaker 1: I'll, I'll tell you.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, they're.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I mean like in the pecking order of like
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  Speaker 2: the top seven, nobody is saying that you knock them
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  Speaker 2: outside of even the top.
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  Speaker 5: Oh no.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, I, to me, I don't even really care.
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  Speaker 3: Like to me, Texas deserves one Ole miss might deserve two.
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  Speaker 2: And then.
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  Speaker 1: Three, you know, Ohio state deserves seven to me for
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  Speaker 1: losing a game. Sorry, Nick. But other than that, I
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  Speaker 1: don't think it really matters.
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  Speaker 2: Like three for both teams right now.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah. Three, three, three.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, you know, I was sitting there on Friday
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  Speaker 3: night thinking, Oh, Miami better get healthy and clean some
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  Speaker 3: things up or Notre Dame is going to beat them.
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  Speaker 3: And then I watched Notre Dame the next day. Well,
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  Speaker 3: I watched the recap. I watched the condensed game on YouTube.
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  Speaker 3: I watched her name the next day and I'm like, Oh,
• 11:16
  Speaker 3: kind of the same thing. You know, like a lot
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  Speaker 3: of these teams have things they need to fix. But again,
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  Speaker 3: I also watched Alabama in person. Not that I think
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  Speaker 3: they're a team that's going to go win a national
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  Speaker 3: championship this year, but like, you know, LSU, I've said
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  Speaker 3: that they were a team.
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  Speaker 1: That can win a national championship early and you watch them.
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  Speaker 3: And so I don't know if all of these teams
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  Speaker 3: do have warts, Texas falling asleep for three quarters, Ohio
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  Speaker 3: state falling asleep for two quarters. Like there's a, there
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  Speaker 3: is a lot of this right now. I think it's
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  Speaker 3: a lot of the, a lot of it is a
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  Speaker 3: Tom may have mentioned this earlier. This transfer portal game
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  Speaker 3: that we kind of play right now, maybe it's taking
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  Speaker 3: teams a little more time to settle in fully.
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  Speaker 5: I think it's that.
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  Speaker 4: Also, I just think the AP poll is stupid. It's
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  Speaker 4: not like being realistic. Does Georgia deserve to be the
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  Speaker 4: number two team in the country, having beaten no one
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  Speaker 4: in three weeks? If we're just basing this off of
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  Speaker 4: the games played, do they look like the number two
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  Speaker 4: team in the country against an Arkansas team that is
• 12:09
  Speaker 4: barely breathing? What are we talking about? Texas beat Ohio State. Okay,
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  Speaker 4: that's a heavyweight knocking out another heavyweight. Yes, you deserve
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  Speaker 4: to be there. Who has Miami played? Who has Miami
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  Speaker 4: played at this point?
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  Speaker 2: What if Wake Forest is legit, though?
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  Speaker 5: I don't think they're legit. And I'll do respect Wake Forest.
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  Speaker 4: But in the grand scheme of college football, I don't
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  Speaker 4: think they're a team that is going to show up in.
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  Speaker 1: The ACC game. There are 75 ACC teams.
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  Speaker 4: Miami played down, I think, on the road. They didn't
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  Speaker 4: play their best game. Notre Dame's not played anybody. Ole Miss,
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  Speaker 4: two out of three of their games, legitimate opponents. Who
• 12:41
  Speaker 4: has Indiana played?
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  Speaker 5: Nobody.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, Western Kentucky.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, gosh, shut up. Here's what I'll tell you. Here's
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  Speaker 1: what I'll tell you about Notre Dame, though.
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  Speaker 3: I think that BYU game is going to be a
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  Speaker 3: little bit tougher than I thought in the offseason.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I think, and I'm not even like a Notre Dame doubter.
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  Speaker 3: I just, I'm buying, and they played Colorado State this weekend,
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  Speaker 3: so this is not like, oh man, BYU beat the
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  Speaker 3: hell out of Colorado State, who scored a couple of
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  Speaker 3: times late to make that look better, you know, when
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  Speaker 3: we're talking about the Florida game, kind of similar situation there.
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  Speaker 1: I think BYU's really good.
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  Speaker 2: They're good.
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  Speaker 3: Not like national championship good, but like, make the playoff
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  Speaker 3: probably the best in the Big 12, will be really
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  Speaker 3: healthy because they don't play a tough Big 12 schedule. Like,
• 13:33
  Speaker 3: that Notre Dame-BYU game, should have a few more like
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  Speaker 3: alerts and signals up than it did in the off season.
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  Speaker 3: Because I just had that pencil and is a Notre
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  Speaker 3: Dame win. And I still would lean Notre Dame, but
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  Speaker 3: I'll tell you, I think it's tougher than it was
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  Speaker 3: six weeks ago.
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  Speaker 2: I will say, I hope that Notre Dame has a
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  Speaker 2: game plan next week against Purdue. And I say this
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  Speaker 2: with the utmost respect. I really do. I think they're
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  Speaker 2: going to be pretty. I'm not changing my stance, not whatsoever, but,
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  Speaker 2: But Purdue has looked a lot better this year. And
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  Speaker 2: so it's not just like, oh, because it's Purdue. And
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  Speaker 2: you boys know how I feel about Purdue. So we're
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  Speaker 2: not going to try to pretend like I'm giving them praises.
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  Speaker 2: It's not a guarantee that every game that you have
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  Speaker 2: is going to just be in your favor. And the
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  Speaker 2: thing with Notre Dame that I think that you have
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  Speaker 2: to remind yourself of, fair or not, fair or not,
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  Speaker 2: and I think this is a poignant attitude, Style points
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  Speaker 2: are going to matter for you more than anyone else
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  Speaker 2: because of you play a non-conference schedule. So how it
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  Speaker 2: looks is as important if you are 10-2. Because the
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  Speaker 2: last thing that you can afford to do is have
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  Speaker 2: the committee go ahead and nitpick why was this a
• 14:42
  Speaker 2: 17-point win against a 3-9 Michigan State. Why was this a,
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  Speaker 2: why was this a 13 point win against a two
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  Speaker 2: and 10 Purdue? Like you can't afford that opportunity. So again,
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  Speaker 2: Notre Dame, I still believe it as a team that
• 14:58
  Speaker 2: can go to the national championship. I still believe that
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  Speaker 2: they can absolutely get it together. I'm not selling any
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  Speaker 2: of my stock. I'm just wondering, what is it that
• 15:07
  Speaker 2: is like 90% of the project done, and then as
• 15:10
  Speaker 2: you're turning in, you sneeze, and half the work has disappeared,
• 15:14
  Speaker 2: and you're like, oh, but look at everything I did
• 15:16
  Speaker 2: to get here. Right, but the answer's not there. Because again,
• 15:21
  Speaker 2: if I see a 200-yard differential, I shouldn't see a
• 15:25
  Speaker 2: 17-point differential.
• 15:28
  Speaker 3: I'm in agreement with Cole. Actually, I think I'm in
• 15:31
  Speaker 3: agreement with both of you. I... Notre Dame has not
• 15:35
  Speaker 3: been the machine that I think we thought I'm not
• 15:38
  Speaker 3: ready to sell the stock yet, but 10 and two,
• 15:42
  Speaker 3: the way they've looked so far, 10 and two would
• 15:43
  Speaker 3: worry me if they lose to BYU in Miami. That ain't,
• 15:46
  Speaker 3: I think that's not good, especially because SMU doesn't look
• 15:48
  Speaker 3: like they're going to the ACC championship now.