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10-27 H3: Gene Steratore Joins, What's Up Everett & Hawks RB Room · Chuck in the Morning

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  Speaker 1: It's time for Chuck in the Morning's weekly visit with
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  Speaker 1: former NFL official Gene Steratore. Brought to you by the
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  Speaker 1: Emerald Queen Casino, the entertainment capital of the Northwest. Now,
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  Speaker 1: the official perspective of the NFL. Here's Chuck in the
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  Speaker 1: Morning with Gene Steratore.
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  Speaker 2: Well, he's not only the greatest official of all time.
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  Speaker 2: He's not only the top rules analyst in the sport.
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  Speaker 2: I have systematically... since I've taken over duties to contact
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  Speaker 2: him on a weekly basis. Turned him into a night owl, Anders. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: just a little bit.
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  Speaker 3: There you go.
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  Speaker 2: Progressively, I send the text a little like a half
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  Speaker 2: hour later every night. And now he's just sitting there
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  Speaker 2: telling Mrs. Derritor, I got to wait for Chuck's text.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, of course.
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  Speaker 2: Hold on a second. Don't get out the warm milk
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  Speaker 2: just yet. Yeah, sorry about that. I didn't mean to
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  Speaker 2: send it so late last night, sir.
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  Speaker 3: I thought it was great. You know, nothing like getting
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  Speaker 3: a text, you know.
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  Speaker 5: It's nine 30 and beautiful Seattle, Washington. And, you know, you're, you're,
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  Speaker 5: you're in the phone blink in, in Southwestern Pennsylvania, you know,
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  Speaker 5: it's actually Tuesday, you know, but you just keep sending
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  Speaker 5: them to me, Chuck, you know, My wife wants to
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  Speaker 5: know if this is like a fictitious.
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  Speaker 3: Name on my phone. If you happen to get a
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  Speaker 3: phone call at some point, I want you to go,
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  Speaker 3: good morning. Hi, it's Chuck. That would be great.
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  Speaker 4: Is that Trudy? Is that your high school girlfriend still
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  Speaker 4: calling you there, Gene?
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  Speaker 3: Exactly.
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  Speaker 4: Masquerading as Chuck. Yeah. Well, anyway, I'll be better.
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  Speaker 3: I will be better.
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  Speaker 4: I will get used to it.
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  Speaker 3: All right.
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  Speaker 2: Well, thanks for being with us. We appreciate it. And
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  Speaker 2: a lot of things to break down. A lot of
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  Speaker 2: things from one game in particular. That Packers-Lions game still
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  Speaker 2: has some undies in a bunch. And look, I was
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  Speaker 2: rooting for the Lions. I like the Lions better than
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  Speaker 2: the Packers. I enjoy the way that they play football.
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  Speaker 2: They're a fun team to watch. And yet, there were
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  Speaker 2: a lot of moments like, man, the Packers are getting
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  Speaker 2: the raw end of the deal on this. There were
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  Speaker 2: three personal foul calls, and they seem to have a
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  Speaker 2: problem with all of them.
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  Speaker 4: And so let's go through it.
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to start with the biggest one, where an
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  Speaker 2: official got– kicked in the stomach, and it was because
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  Speaker 2: Amon Ross St. Brown wasn't sure that the whistle had blown,
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  Speaker 2: and so he tried to squirt out. And the defensive
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  Speaker 2: player said, hey, look, he's trying to move the ball.
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to tackle him just in case I didn't
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  Speaker 2: hear the whistle. And in doing so, he kind of
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  Speaker 2: slung St. Brown, and the official got hit in the
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  Speaker 2: stomach with the cleat. And I'm sure it hurt, but
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  Speaker 2: the initial response looked like anger. And then the flag
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  Speaker 2: was thrown from his back. And when they sorted it
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  Speaker 2: all out, they called a 15-yard penalty against the Green
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  Speaker 2: Bay Packers, which very few people agreed with. You've obviously
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  Speaker 2: been in these skirmishes. It's no fun to get knocked
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  Speaker 2: on the ground or kicked in the stomach. But what
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  Speaker 2: should have happened in that scenario?
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  Speaker 3: It's not.
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  Speaker 5: And I think you're really friend as well. And you
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  Speaker 5: do have to put it in perspective when when I'm
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  Speaker 5: around when St. Brown gets up the way he does
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  Speaker 5: and he is still moving in a way like, hey,
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  Speaker 5: I wasn't touched on by contact. It's a it's a
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  Speaker 5: tough position to be in because. Not the entire field
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  Speaker 5: is playing live football, but there could be some individuals
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  Speaker 5: still playing live football in that moment. And officials are
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  Speaker 5: now closing in on what they feel is the play
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  Speaker 5: is over play. So they're in a closer proximity when
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  Speaker 5: when live action is really still kind of finishing in
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  Speaker 5: some ways, especially with these couple of players. Then you
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  Speaker 5: end up with the friendly fire situation, right, where now.
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  Speaker 3: I'm tackling you. You were running. Yes, it's late, but
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  Speaker 3: you created this in the beginning.
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  Speaker 5: And now when this official closes in and inadvertently gets hit.
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  Speaker 5: And look, it's only been a couple of weeks since
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  Speaker 5: I think up in your area, we had one of
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  Speaker 5: these situations as well with an official who reacted after
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  Speaker 5: closing in.
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  Speaker 3: On a play.
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  Speaker 5: And then it seems like we're throwing some flags with
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  Speaker 5: some emotion.
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  Speaker 3: A little bit, which is not the way that we
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  Speaker 3: want to.
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  Speaker 5: Project things, regardless of how frustrated we may feel. And
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  Speaker 5: then really, I think in the unfortunate ending to this
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  Speaker 5: scenario was looking at the reviewing of it. It appears
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  Speaker 5: like if you're going to call a penalty, maybe you
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  Speaker 5: got the wrong side or.
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  Speaker 3: Something of that effect. New York can't weigh in on
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  Speaker 3: those things.
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  Speaker 5: And now we're we're in a situation where we just
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  Speaker 5: we had put ourself in a game here yesterday.
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  Speaker 3: In a way that maybe we could have done.
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  Speaker 5: Better just by managing it, getting people separated and trying
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  Speaker 5: to hang in there with a, with a cleat to.
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  Speaker 3: The, you know, to the gut and putting the thing
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  Speaker 3: back on the rails. So. That's kind of my take.
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  Speaker 3: I like to see those kind of plays.
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  Speaker 5: You just want to break them up, right? Because it
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  Speaker 5: just didn't finish well. And because it didn't, no one
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  Speaker 5: really did something that was so egregious that it was
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  Speaker 5: another elevated situation.
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  Speaker 3: So that would be my take.
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  Speaker 5: Get between the guys, talk a little bit, and try
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  Speaker 5: to get the thing back on the rails.
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  Speaker 4: Right.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, to me, I almost put it more on
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  Speaker 2: his cohort's Because you might understand somebody gets kicked in
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  Speaker 2: the stomach and knocked to the ground that they're going
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  Speaker 2: to have a reaction. But the other people need to
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  Speaker 2: be level-headed and say, hey, this is what happened. I
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  Speaker 2: know it stinks, but I don't think we can call
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  Speaker 2: this a foul.
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  Speaker 4: We're going to have to pick that one up.
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  Speaker 2: I guess my question is then, is that hard to
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  Speaker 2: do to a teammate, to come in there and say.
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  Speaker 4: You overreacted, buddy.
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  Speaker 2: I know you got cleated in the stomach, but you overreacted,
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  Speaker 2: and we're going to have to pick that flag up.
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  Speaker 2: Is that difficult if you're wearing the white hat to
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  Speaker 2: come tell another one of your officials that as much
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  Speaker 2: as you want to throw a flag, that's not a flag?
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  Speaker 5: Chuck, this is why you really have become this 300-level
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  Speaker 5: official so fast.
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  Speaker 3: And I'm saying that. I mean it. You're in a
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  Speaker 3: place now where this is really good stuff.
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  Speaker 5: But you are so right. Yes, because it's not the
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  Speaker 5: only situation in games. And that's the beauty of putting
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  Speaker 5: your crew together, living with them week in and week
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  Speaker 5: out on a very personal level and tons of scrutiny
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  Speaker 5: and tons of pressure and having situations where it might
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  Speaker 5: not just be this, but it might be I threw
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  Speaker 5: for a block in the back and somebody comes to
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  Speaker 5: me and goes, Gene, I think it's.
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  Speaker 3: From the side. I've got it from the side. You
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  Speaker 3: have to be able to trust.
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  Speaker 5: All of these officials have to be able to trust
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  Speaker 5: each other to such a hell level that if someone
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  Speaker 5: comes to you, they're only coming to you because they
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  Speaker 5: know it's the best thing to do for the game,
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  Speaker 5: the crew, and regardless of how you feel about it,
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  Speaker 5: I think, until it serves you wrong, you take that. That's...
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  Speaker 5: the beauty of what officiating is really about. It's in
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  Speaker 5: those situations when just what you said, Chuck, someone comes
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  Speaker 5: in and says, look at me, come here. This thing
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  Speaker 5: unfolded differently than you may have felt. And I'm going
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  Speaker 5: to put myself in and tell you what I saw.
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  Speaker 5: And then we might have a quick conversation and. But
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  Speaker 5: trust me on it. So, yeah, you hit the nail
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  Speaker 5: on the head, my friend. All right.
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  Speaker 2: Well, let's talk about a play that happened a couple
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  Speaker 2: minutes later, and it was strange. And the analysts really
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  Speaker 2: came down on the officials on this, and I'm a
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  Speaker 2: little confused by it because Jared Goff on a fourth
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  Speaker 2: and ten play. The play is over, and the guy
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  Speaker 2: had plenty of time to stop, but he also was
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  Speaker 2: spinning off a block, and he kind of stumbled into
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  Speaker 2: Goff's midsection, and he took steps after the throw was away,
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  Speaker 2: and yet the player in the booth was arguing there's
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  Speaker 2: no way he could have seen that the play was over.
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  Speaker 2: The ball was out of Goff's hands as he was
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  Speaker 2: spinning off of the blocker. So how are you supposed
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  Speaker 2: to officiate that? Did they get that one right or not?
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  Speaker 5: You know, the player from the booth, I had the
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  Speaker 5: luxury and good fortune to spend a lot of time
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  Speaker 5: 10 feet or so away from him. And to his credit,
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  Speaker 5: a few times he would look and think it was
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  Speaker 5: a foul, but many times.
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  Speaker 3: That player got hit pretty darn hard.
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  Speaker 5: And he didn't like me helping him up too often,
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  Speaker 5: although he did accept a hand every once in a.
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  Speaker 3: While, but rarely did he complain on a hard hit.
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  Speaker 5: That play has a different element to it as well,
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  Speaker 5: which allows two officials to have to be able to
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  Speaker 5: again communicate there's latitude when a player comes.
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  Speaker 3: Off of a block.
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  Speaker 5: You give the defense an extra stumble step. You give
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  Speaker 5: the defense an extra piece if it hits below the knee,
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  Speaker 5: coming off of a block. And you really have to
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  Speaker 5: be a high-level official to make a determination as whether
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  Speaker 5: that was his momentum from spinning away from the block
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  Speaker 5: or disengaging, or did he have enough time to gather himself,
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  Speaker 5: control his body, and then provide.
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  Speaker 3: His own force.
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  Speaker 5: And again, that's where communication comes in to the highest level.
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  Speaker 5: and quite frankly that's the play i think you extend
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  Speaker 5: that latitude and say yeah it's not a pretty hit
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  Speaker 5: and listen the refs we all know we're protecting quarterbacks
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  Speaker 5: at a higher level than most players if not all
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  Speaker 5: players on the field at times right and now you
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  Speaker 5: see certain indicators that in that proximity and this is
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  Speaker 5: something of referees need to work on constantly and so
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  Speaker 5: that i've head drops like that you see pretty hard
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  Speaker 5: contact it's football and because you're seeing these indicators and
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  Speaker 5: your proximity may be so close it tends to exaggerate
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  Speaker 5: something that you might not look as big once you
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  Speaker 5: pull back and feel it from the screen or from
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  Speaker 5: a distance um so i don't disagree yeah it was
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  Speaker 5: a it bent him over and it had those indicators
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  Speaker 5: but he's coming off of a block stretching a little bit.
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  Speaker 5: We're playing football, and I would have liked to not
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  Speaker 5: seen a foul there, quite honestly.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: That player, by the way, I guess we could name him.
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  Speaker 4: It's Tom Brady.
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  Speaker 2: Tom Brady was the one, and he had a big
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  Speaker 2: problem with the officials, and you can even tell he
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  Speaker 2: was biting his tongue at some times not to go
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  Speaker 2: too far.
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  Speaker 4: What did you think?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, this was on Fox. This wasn't on CBS
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  Speaker 2: where you're, you know, chief dog over there. But what
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  Speaker 2: did you think? Did you think that this was just
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  Speaker 2: that they missed the officiating crew, that they had a
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  Speaker 2: bad game against the Detroit Lions? I don't know if
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  Speaker 2: you saw it all, but Tom Brady certainly gave that impression.
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  Speaker 4: He felt that way.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, listen, any time when you're officiating any sport in
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  Speaker 3: this stage, when... You know, you don't want to miss
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  Speaker 3: impactful plays.
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  Speaker 5: You don't want to miss plays that extend drives. You
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  Speaker 5: don't want to miss plays that change possessions. They're bigger
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  Speaker 5: plays and it doesn't mean all plays aren't big.
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  Speaker 3: They are.
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  Speaker 5: And then quite frankly, listen, Players have bad days. Officials
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  Speaker 5: have days they wish they could do better. And I
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  Speaker 5: think if you watch the game with the kind of
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  Speaker 5: judgments that were made there, there were some impactful.
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  Speaker 3: Decisions that were made in that game.
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  Speaker 5: That could have affected that outcome and quite frankly could
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  Speaker 5: have been officiated differently. Look, when you're a rep, when.
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  Speaker 3: It's warranted, then have at it.
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  Speaker 5: You know, we're used to being booed on even good
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  Speaker 5: calls all the time. And when you make your mistakes,
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  Speaker 5: you have to own those mistakes. And, you know, he
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  Speaker 5: did that live. And, you know, quite frankly, I've never
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  Speaker 5: been somebody to say, you know, objectively critique me. And
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  Speaker 5: if I'm wrong, have at it. So I don't have
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  Speaker 5: an issue with it personally. Okay. All right. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Well, you got any other issues with Tom Brady? You know,
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  Speaker 2: maybe how handsome he is or, you know, how successful
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  Speaker 2: he is. Does that get on your skin?
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  Speaker 3: I always get jealous about that, Chuck. You know, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: he'd see me before the game.
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  Speaker 5: How are you?
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  Speaker 3: He's much bigger than in real life.
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  Speaker 5: You know, all of a sudden you're looking way up
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  Speaker 5: at somebody when you thought you'd look him eye to eye.
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  Speaker 3: First class individual, though, guys.
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  Speaker 5: I was blessed three or four Brady Manning games in
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  Speaker 5: my career. And just to have those moments and that opportunity.
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  Speaker 3: To be around that, there's a level of that.
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  Speaker 5: And I enjoyed that in Seattle with Russell Wilson and
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  Speaker 5: some great games there. So, yeah, you're always appreciative of
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  Speaker 5: being around people at that.
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  Speaker 3: Level that are so good at what they do, just
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  Speaker 3: like you are.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, yeah. Sure, sure, sure.
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  Speaker 3: That's what I mean.
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  Speaker 4: I know a lot of people say I'm the Tom
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  Speaker 4: Brady of radio. That's for sure. If I've heard it once,
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  Speaker 4: I've heard it once.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I've heard it.
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  Speaker 5: Once.
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  Speaker 2: Gene Steratore is with us, the greatest official of all time,
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  Speaker 2: CBS rules analyst, and apparently close buddies with Tom Brady,
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  Speaker 2: right here on Sports Radio 93.3 KJRFM. Let's talk about what, man,
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  Speaker 2: this one we could talk about for days, but that's
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  Speaker 2: the Cam Scadaboo roughness penalty that was called in the
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  Speaker 2: first quarter at the 515 mark of the Giants-Texans game. Now,
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  Speaker 2: we heard a couple of years ago that they're going
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  Speaker 2: to start throwing flags on running backs for leading with
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  Speaker 2: their head, but we hardly ever see it. I can't
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  Speaker 2: even remember the last time that I did see it called,
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  Speaker 2: and this didn't look like it rose to the level
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  Speaker 2: of needing to be called, and yet they threw the
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  Speaker 2: flag because there was vicious contact and he bowled someone over. Um,
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  Speaker 2: I'm very curious to hear how you saw that play.
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  Speaker 5: You already framed it on the front end because it's
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  Speaker 5: unusual to see offensive players initiate or appear to initiate
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  Speaker 5: with crown of the helmet with force like that. Now
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  Speaker 5: this young man has been in the league for a
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  Speaker 5: couple of years and we have a very large sample,
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  Speaker 5: not just in the games, but on commercials that he's
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  Speaker 5: capable of, of doing a lot of things like this.
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  Speaker 5: I think he's probably had the legal use of the hand.
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  Speaker 5: He may have it in that, you know, every day
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  Speaker 5: at the home or something.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not sure.
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  Speaker 5: But, but with that said, Again, and it is somewhat
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  Speaker 5: unique that illegal use of the helmet right now, the
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  Speaker 5: messaging is when it's out in space and you see it,
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  Speaker 5: and it really is definable to it as officials make
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  Speaker 5: that call because we need to get this out of
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  Speaker 5: the game because, quite frankly, it will protect Cam Scadaboo
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  Speaker 5: more than at times it will protect a person he
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  Speaker 5: may be, you know, battering with the top of his
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  Speaker 5: head from the compression system. The uniqueness of this one
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  Speaker 5: was it was in a little bit of close line play.
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  Speaker 5: His posture and what he did prior to making that
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  Speaker 5: contact definitely feels on that field in real time.
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  Speaker 3: Like this is that play where he now is lowering.
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  Speaker 5: And I don't like using the word indicator all of
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  Speaker 5: the time, but it kind of applies here when you
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  Speaker 5: see that. And then you see that force going in
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  Speaker 5: the direction that it was with his eyes facing the ground.
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  Speaker 5: You're leaning right now to throw a flag because the
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  Speaker 5: people that run this game and the competition committee and
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  Speaker 5: the stakeholders, for the right reasons, I believe.
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  Speaker 3: Want that posture out of the game.
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  Speaker 5: Um so you know as much as we may dissect
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  Speaker 5: exactly where he hit him on the head or those
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  Speaker 5: little nuances we've all become normalized in this game of
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  Speaker 5: frame by frame officiating uh yeah maybe it's not exactly
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  Speaker 5: that but there's an awful lot of that element there
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  Speaker 5: and i think it's more of a messaging now of
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  Speaker 5: the posture of that and just change the way you
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  Speaker 5: do it defensive players adjust very well we've had a
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  Speaker 5: lot of requests for them to have to adjust the
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  Speaker 5: way they play at fast speed. And I think when
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  Speaker 5: a runner is in that situation, to protect himself and
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  Speaker 5: to do what's right for the game, let's change their
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  Speaker 5: posture a little bit.
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  Speaker 2: If we saw more of that, I think people wouldn't
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  Speaker 2: have raised an eyebrow. It just sort of felt like random.
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  Speaker 2: Like you chose this moment. I see this happen all
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  Speaker 2: the time in the National Football League.
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  Speaker 4: So would you.
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  Speaker 2: Vote for we should call this play more frequently against
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  Speaker 2: running backs?
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  Speaker 3: I think it'll probably grow, Chuck.
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  Speaker 5: It's one of those scenarios when you're implementing a new
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  Speaker 5: directive and the way to play is a phrase that
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  Speaker 5: the NFL likes to use a lot. And they show
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  Speaker 5: players clips each week. This is the way to play
• 16:19
  Speaker 5: now because of this new nuance, body weight, whatever the
• 16:22
  Speaker 5: case may be. It will start to grow because truthfully,
• 16:27
  Speaker 5: officials will start getting more accustomed.
• 16:29
  Speaker 3: To seeing it, to identifying it. That's why they've initiated.
• 16:33
  Speaker 5: This kind of focus like out in space where there's
• 16:36
  Speaker 5: maybe only two or three players involved. And there's distance
• 16:40
  Speaker 5: for you to dissect all of these little postures we
• 16:43
  Speaker 5: want out of the game. This one, again, I think
• 16:46
  Speaker 5: it jumps off the screen a little because it wasn't
• 16:48
  Speaker 5: out in space, right? It wasn't just that play we
• 16:50
  Speaker 5: all see. So I think it'll start out there. And
• 16:53
  Speaker 5: then hopefully as they continue to get more accurate with
• 16:56
  Speaker 5: it and players realize that it's being called.
• 16:59
  Speaker 3: That becomes a deterrent.
• 17:02
  Speaker 5: And then it hopefully resets itself back into the game
• 17:06
  Speaker 5: has changed, adjusted for the betterment of the players. And
• 17:09
  Speaker 5: now the officials are getting it when it occurs more
• 17:12
  Speaker 5: often than not as well.
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: Gene Steratore is with us. Let's go to the college game,
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: UCF and BYU. Now, I'm okay with this BYU story
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: the last couple of weeks because I think they outplayed
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: Notre Dame and the better team that day won, even
• 17:26
  Speaker 2: though I didn't agree with the calls late in the contest.
• 17:29
  Speaker 4: Same thing with UCF.
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: UCF outplayed them all game long, and I think the
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: better team won, and yet we have controversial calls today.
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: down the stretch and there are bad calls gene and
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: then there are just wrong calls the officials on this
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: crew were accused of making the wrong calls that they
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: were there was a 10-second penalty runoff that occurred because
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: a player's helmet came off, a kicker's helmet came off,
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: and then a roughing the kicker against BYU in double
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: overtime that should have been the five-yard variety and not
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: the 10. That's the argument. What is the truth?
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: Well, there are two different mistakes there.
• 18:11
  Speaker 5: One, the second being a judgment decision and an application
• 18:15
  Speaker 5: of your judgment. The first being a misapplication of the rule.
• 18:19
  Speaker 5: Much more severe misapplication of a rule.
• 18:23
  Speaker 3: Crazy rule.
• 18:24
  Speaker 5: Game was ending at my CBS games and because of that.
• 18:28
  Speaker 3: Where that game was.
• 18:29
  Speaker 5: I stayed in the studio to watch the last 30 minutes.
• 18:31
  Speaker 5: And quite frankly, was very happy that Mike Ferreira had
• 18:34
  Speaker 5: to cover that game and the craziness at the end,
• 18:38
  Speaker 5: then myself, you know, so because there's a lot of little,
• 18:43
  Speaker 5: there's a lot of fine line and all these rule
• 18:45
  Speaker 5: book guys, you know, and any of us that claim
• 18:47
  Speaker 5: that we know all of them are not being honest
• 18:49
  Speaker 5: with you. And this was one, this was a third
• 18:52
  Speaker 5: downfield goal attempt that was blocked in the ball remained
• 18:55
  Speaker 5: behind the line of scrimmage. So now you still have
• 18:58
  Speaker 5: an opportunity for the offense to pick that football up
• 19:01
  Speaker 5: and it's third down. And because the ball never.
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: Crossed the line of scrimmage, even if the offense.
• 19:06
  Speaker 5: Doesn't get a first down and they pick that ball
• 19:08
  Speaker 5: up and run, it's fourth down.
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: They still have the ball, which is one.
• 19:12
  Speaker 5: Of the strategical things on picking on third down in
• 19:15
  Speaker 5: certain situations that come up. Now you have a helmet
• 19:19
  Speaker 5: come off and a flag on the ground with what
• 19:22
  Speaker 5: appeared to be a face mask or pulling of the
• 19:24
  Speaker 5: open end of the helmet and which doesn't have a
• 19:28
  Speaker 5: 10-second runoff applied to it, because if your helmet comes
• 19:31
  Speaker 5: off because of foul, then the clock discrepancy doesn't come
• 19:35
  Speaker 5: into play, and that player can remain in the game.
• 19:39
  Speaker 5: Then they conversed, picked the flag up for a face mask,
• 19:43
  Speaker 5: saying that they didn't think it was a face mask.
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: Now they have a helmet off.
• 19:47
  Speaker 5: So now they immediately went in their minds because it
• 19:50
  Speaker 5: was just fourth down to a 10-second runoff scenario. And
• 19:54
  Speaker 5: that takes us to like line 17 underneath the rule
• 19:57
  Speaker 5: in smaller print that says when a team lines up
• 20:01
  Speaker 5: in a field goal scrimmage kick formation and this scenario
• 20:04
  Speaker 5: takes place or any kick takes place, regardless of the
• 20:07
  Speaker 5: down scenario, The clock will start on the snaps on
• 20:11
  Speaker 5: the next play. So truthfully, whether there was a foul
• 20:14
  Speaker 5: for face mask, whether there wasn't, whether the helmet came off,
• 20:17
  Speaker 5: whether it didn't by foul or not, that play should
• 20:20
  Speaker 5: have still, the next play should have been on the snap.
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: There should have been no 10 second run. So a
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: very difficult multi-layered play where UCF should have gotten the
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: extra field goal attempt with two seconds, I think remaining
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: in regulation again.
• 20:33
  Speaker 5: Um, so there's the misapplication and then the roughing scenario
• 20:38
  Speaker 5: or running into scenario, or.
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: Is it a foul at all?
• 20:41
  Speaker 5: Because a defensive player is running over an offensive player
• 20:45
  Speaker 5: and stumbling toward.
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: The holder and the kicker. So in their lives.
• 20:49
  Speaker 5: That subjectivity of that person lunge on his own into
• 20:54
  Speaker 5: them after he was stumbling, as we talked about the
• 20:57
  Speaker 5: spinning away on the other scenario this morning, um, Or
• 21:00
  Speaker 5: is he just falling because of the disengagement? And if
• 21:07
  Speaker 5: he does hit him, how severe was it? I tended,
• 21:11
  Speaker 5: and I leaned again always, as I said earlier, to
• 21:13
  Speaker 5: give latitude and say he's coming off the block, it's nothing.
• 21:16
  Speaker 5: I didn't think it was that severe to warrant a
• 21:19
  Speaker 5: 15-yard foul. Maybe running into as a split the baby
• 21:23
  Speaker 5: kind of feel on the play. But that was kind
• 21:26
  Speaker 5: of my take on that one in its totality. But
• 21:29
  Speaker 5: so many moving parts there. And as I said, glad
• 21:32
  Speaker 5: Mike had to deal with it in real time. And
• 21:33
  Speaker 5: I got to look through the rule book for 10,
• 21:35
  Speaker 5: 20 minutes.
• 21:36
  Speaker 4: Oh, wise King Solomon with his split the baby verdict.
• 21:39
  Speaker 4: All right.
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: We're running late, but I got to get in our
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: good call, good reffing. And there was a weird play
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: in the Bears-Patriots game, which they got right, where Ben
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: Johnson and all his creativity– Caleb Williams does a fake
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: handoff to the receiver that's running a jet sweep end around,
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: and with his right hand, a little magic, he kind
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: of flips it to his left guard, and the left
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: guard takes off running, and the officials caught it. That
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: is illegal. It did look illegal, and nice job by
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: the officials. I'm curious as to what would make that
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: play legal. How could they have executed that play where
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: it would.
• 22:21
  Speaker 4: Have been a legal play?
• 22:23
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it is an amazing get, we say, and officiating
• 22:27
  Speaker 5: to find a one-off play that happens once in many years, usually,
• 22:31
  Speaker 5: and get that in real time.
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: So thanks for the gold star.
• 22:35
  Speaker 5: Alamec and his crew got that started Thursday off real good.
• 22:39
  Speaker 5: Thought we were good for the best weekend of ever
• 22:41
  Speaker 5: with the officiating.
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: So we started it off well.
• 22:44
  Speaker 5: And then as I said, you get that in real time.
• 22:47
  Speaker 5: It's It's a big, that's a.
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: That's a good feeling because you're doing right.
• 22:50
  Speaker 5: Legally, legally that offensive lineman has to be behind.
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: The player who was handing him ball. In this situation,
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: you see the quarterback spin away and the offensive.
• 23:01
  Speaker 5: Lineman is between the quarterback and the original line of
• 23:04
  Speaker 5: scrimmage and then kind of does a little tuck hide. Um,
• 23:08
  Speaker 5: so yeah, he's gotta be behind him to, to have
• 23:11
  Speaker 5: a legal handoff. And, and then I'll, and that even
• 23:14
  Speaker 5: got the, you know, sometimes you have someone report a
• 23:18
  Speaker 5: file to you and they say, it's this, and you go,
• 23:19
  Speaker 5: I don't know the signal for that. So don't report
• 23:22
  Speaker 5: a file to me and let you know what the
• 23:23
  Speaker 5: signal is. So I could see him. You have to
• 23:26
  Speaker 5: use an illegal forward pass signal for an illegal forward handoff.
• 23:30
  Speaker 5: And he had a little blip there, which is about
• 23:32
  Speaker 5: a two second little blip, which I empathized with him.
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: And I fist bumped him through the phone when we talked.
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: But he did a heck of a job. And thanks
• 23:40
  Speaker 3: for wrapping this up with the best call of the week.
• 23:43
  Speaker 3: It's just as a week, almost a week ago. Awesome.
• 23:46
  Speaker 4: Thanks for being quick on it. I put you in
• 23:48
  Speaker 4: a bad spot there. All right, Gene. Thank you, sir.
• 23:50
  Speaker 4: We appreciate it. We'll talk to you again next week.
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: Have a great week, guys.
• 23:55
  Speaker 5: All right.
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: Gene Steratore with us. Thanks to Emerald Queen Casino every Tuesday.
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: Everett Fitz, he also joins us every Tuesday.
• 24:02
  Speaker 4: He's next on KJR.
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: Oh, is this the new Everett music?
• 24:21
  Speaker 6: Everett the Avenger.
• 24:23
  Speaker 3: I like it.
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: Joining us now for his normal Tuesday conversation with us,
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: the voice of your Seattle Kraken, right here on the
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: flagship sports radio, 93.3 KJR FM. He will be back
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: in action tomorrow night, calling the Maple Leafs game all
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: that wonderful Toronto Maple Leaf brand. Just can't ever win
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: a Stanley Cup. Joining us now is Everett Fitzhugh.
• 24:46
  Speaker 3: Hello, sir.
• 24:48
  Speaker 7: I think you had a frog in your throat for
• 24:49
  Speaker 7: that last part.
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: What was that part?
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: They just can't win a Stanley Cup. They can't win
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: a Stanley Cup, those arrogant Toronto Maple Leafs fans.
• 24:59
  Speaker 6: It's not just Toronto.
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: Every year is our year.
• 25:01
  Speaker 7: Oh, every year is our year. I'll tell you what,
• 25:05
  Speaker 7: when I was in college, I went to school at Ohio.
• 25:09
  Speaker 7: And the worst fan in the world is a Cleveland fan.
• 25:13
  Speaker 7: Because every year, no matter what's going on, this is
• 25:17
  Speaker 7: the Browns' year. This is the Cavs' year. This is
• 25:21
  Speaker 7: the Guardians year. And every year, it was, in fact,
• 25:25
  Speaker 7: not their year. But it just, being the Detroiter, going
• 25:32
  Speaker 7: to school behind enemy lines in Ohio, I got so
• 25:36
  Speaker 7: sick of Cleveland. I got so sick of Ohio State.
• 25:39
  Speaker 7: So I love it.
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: It's our year.
• 25:40
  Speaker 7: No, it's not. It's not.
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: Cleveland sports fans are like a dog you play fetch with. Like,
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: every time you fake like you threw it, They go
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: for it. Every single time. You can fake it, and
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: they'll still like, where is it?
• 25:56
  Speaker 4: Where did it go? They never pick up on the trick.
• 25:58
  Speaker 7: Every player, every free agent signing, every game.
• 26:01
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 26:01
  Speaker 7: Oh, this is it. This is going to be what
• 26:03
  Speaker 7: turns it around.
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: And it's not.
• 26:05
  Speaker 4: Johnny Manziel is here. Johnny Manziel is going to hear this.
• 26:10
  Speaker 4: Trading away Miles Garrett, the perfect thing that we need.
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: Yep.
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: All right, let's talk some Seattle Kraken. Lost on Saturday
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: night 5-1, but the bigger story was who they lost.
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: Jared McCann's going to be out for 10 weeks. What
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: do you think that's going to do to this team?
• 26:29
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, this is now the second straight year
• 26:32
  Speaker 7: that Jared McCann has had a very... lengthy injury. It's been,
• 26:38
  Speaker 7: you know, I, again, we talk so much about the
• 26:41
  Speaker 7: parallels between the start of this season and, and the
• 26:46
  Speaker 7: playoff year, two years ago, that team was remarkably healthy.
• 26:50
  Speaker 7: They had a big Andre Burakovsky injury. They had a
• 26:53
  Speaker 7: Philip Grubauer injury outside of that. They stayed remarkably healthy. Well,
• 26:58
  Speaker 7: now this year, early on, you've got a Jared McCann
• 27:01
  Speaker 7: injury for the second straight year and, If you want
• 27:04
  Speaker 7: to throw in Jordan Eberle, now three straight years, you
• 27:07
  Speaker 7: have one of your big offensive pieces going to be
• 27:12
  Speaker 7: on the shelf for quite some time. So you're losing
• 27:16
  Speaker 7: a power play shot. You're losing a player that just
• 27:21
  Speaker 7: knows how to find the net. He knows how to
• 27:26
  Speaker 7: get into scoring areas. We talk so much about this
• 27:30
  Speaker 7: team and how there needs to be more offense. There
• 27:33
  Speaker 7: needs to be that superstar, I think, for the Seattle Kraken.
• 27:37
  Speaker 7: Jared McCann is that player. He is that guy that's
• 27:42
  Speaker 7: going to help generate, if not contribute, to a lot
• 27:47
  Speaker 7: of your offense. It's really a next-man-up mentality. It is
• 27:53
  Speaker 7: up to Yanni Newman. It is up to Bobby McMahon
• 27:57
  Speaker 7: and Mackie Samuskevich and Matty Beneers. It's up to those
• 28:01
  Speaker 7: players to try and replace that offense. I've said going
• 28:06
  Speaker 7: into this year, I felt that Jared McCann could be
• 28:09
  Speaker 7: a 30-goal scorer this year. Now the saving grace is
• 28:12
  Speaker 7: that you're only losing him for 10 weeks, which that
• 28:17
  Speaker 7: should be plenty of time to bring them back healthy
• 28:20
  Speaker 7: for January. You've got a really long stretch in January,
• 28:25
  Speaker 7: the Olympia or the all-star break rather than February. And
• 28:27
  Speaker 7: then you're going to have your goal score down the stretch,
• 28:30
  Speaker 7: presumably for a pretty lengthy run toward the playoffs. So
• 28:35
  Speaker 7: that's the saving grace is that it happened after game
• 28:39
  Speaker 7: 11 and not after game 51, right? Where you're going
• 28:43
  Speaker 7: to lose him for the second half of the season,
• 28:45
  Speaker 7: which is the most important part of the season.
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: But again, you want to.
• 28:49
  Speaker 7: Make the playoffs. This team needs to be healthy. And
• 28:52
  Speaker 7: right now that, that health obviously took a really big hit.
• 28:56
  Speaker 6: All right, Everett, I'm a silver linings guy. So does
• 28:59
  Speaker 6: this mean it opens up an opportunity for someone like
• 29:02
  Speaker 6: Berkeley cat and to play more than 15 minutes a night?
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: I think it does.
• 29:06
  Speaker 7: And Lane Lambert alluded to as much before McCann went down.
• 29:12
  Speaker 7: If you look at the production, of that line, the Catton, Wright,
• 29:17
  Speaker 7: and Capococco line, they are up to 21 points on
• 29:22
  Speaker 7: the season. The top line, which was McCann, the Beneers,
• 29:26
  Speaker 7: and Eberle, they were at 19 points with about two
• 29:31
  Speaker 7: and a half, three minutes more of ice time per game.
• 29:34
  Speaker 7: So that production of that third line was outproducing the
• 29:38
  Speaker 7: top line in February. minutes. And Lane Lambert alluded to
• 29:42
  Speaker 7: the fact that, hey, listen, players play well, they're going
• 29:45
  Speaker 7: to get promoted. They're going to get bumped up the lineup.
• 29:48
  Speaker 7: I think maybe for the foreseeable future, That line is
• 29:52
  Speaker 7: doing well, that Kako Wright-Katten line. So it's kind of
• 29:56
  Speaker 7: a catch-22. You want to bump Katten up, but that
• 29:59
  Speaker 7: line has been your best line offensively through the first
• 30:02
  Speaker 7: 11 games of the season. So I think what's going
• 30:05
  Speaker 7: to happen is yesterday in practice, Bobby McMahon slid up
• 30:08
  Speaker 7: to that spot. So it was McMahon, Beneers, and Eberle.
• 30:13
  Speaker 7: And then it was Yanni Newman, Chandler Stevenson. and Mackie Samoskevich.
• 30:20
  Speaker 7: So you had a little bit of a fluctuation in
• 30:25
  Speaker 7: the lines, but you put that line, that kid line,
• 30:28
  Speaker 7: that third line back together, they're having success. I wouldn't
• 30:31
  Speaker 7: break that up just yet, But Anders, you're right. With
• 30:35
  Speaker 7: him being out 10 weeks, I don't see Berkeley Cat
• 30:38
  Speaker 7: staying on that line for long. I do think that
• 30:40
  Speaker 7: there's going to be a promotion coming for him sooner
• 30:44
  Speaker 7: rather than later.
• 30:46
  Speaker 4: All right.
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: Let's get a breakdown then of tomorrow's matchup with the
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: Toronto Maple Leafs.
• 30:51
  Speaker 4: What are we staring at here?
• 30:54
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, you're looking at a team that fell
• 30:57
  Speaker 7: well short of expectations, but the number last year, but
• 31:01
  Speaker 7: the number one overall pick for some reason, I can't
• 31:04
  Speaker 7: quite put my finger on it.
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: They get the number one overall pick. Weird.
• 31:11
  Speaker 5: Inexplicable.
• 31:12
  Speaker 4: Nothing to see here. Nothing to see here.
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: Move on.
• 31:16
  Speaker 7: And that's sad Everett talking. That is not an NHL
• 31:20
  Speaker 7: pocket employee ever talking.
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: But no, you have one.
• 31:25
  Speaker 7: Of the more dynamic offenses in the league. you have
• 31:29
  Speaker 7: one of the more dynamic superstars of this generation. And
• 31:33
  Speaker 7: Austin Matthews just scored his 800th point the other day.
• 31:37
  Speaker 7: Gavin McKenna has taken some rookie lumps this year. There
• 31:41
  Speaker 7: was a whole, you know, to do about Jim Hiller,
• 31:45
  Speaker 7: the coach, at least benching him for a period and
• 31:48
  Speaker 7: a half, a couple of weeks ago. You know, but again,
• 31:51
  Speaker 7: he's an 18, 19, 18 year old rookie. So, He
• 31:54
  Speaker 7: wasn't McDavid coming in, but he still is a very
• 31:58
  Speaker 7: highly talented player. And this is a Leaf team that
• 32:02
  Speaker 7: they do everything well. They do a lot of things well.
• 32:07
  Speaker 7: They skate well. They score a lot. They defend well.
• 32:11
  Speaker 7: They're getting good goaltending. I think the goaltending is probably
• 32:14
  Speaker 7: the one thing that is stopping them from being a
• 32:17
  Speaker 7: truly elite team. team in the nhl but their goaltending
• 32:21
  Speaker 7: is doing what it needs to do at the moment
• 32:23
  Speaker 7: so i think this is going to be probably one
• 32:26
  Speaker 7: of the tougher tests of the season for seattle and
• 32:29
  Speaker 7: and they're going to get even they're going to get
• 32:31
  Speaker 7: even tougher yes you've got calgary back-to-back games after this
• 32:34
  Speaker 7: one here tomorrow but calgary they've gone on a bit
• 32:37
  Speaker 7: of a hot streak devin cooley's run won his last
• 32:40
  Speaker 7: four starts But Toronto, this is not going to be
• 32:43
  Speaker 7: an easy task. And I think for Seattle, they can't
• 32:46
  Speaker 7: get caught watching the superstars. They can't get caught in
• 32:51
  Speaker 7: that track meet. Lane Lambert has said multiple times, you
• 32:54
  Speaker 7: can't show this team too much respect. And that is
• 32:57
  Speaker 7: something I think that's got to be in the minds
• 33:00
  Speaker 7: of Seattle going into tomorrow.
• 33:01
  Speaker 4: How glad are you that Cleveland doesn't have a hockey team?
• 33:04
  Speaker 4: Thank God.
• 33:05
  Speaker 3: So glad.
• 33:06
  Speaker 7: So glad. You know, and I will say this, as
• 33:11
  Speaker 7: a proud Midwesterner myself, I've got a lot of friends
• 33:14
  Speaker 7: in Cleveland. They are a proud people. But, man, their sport. Like,
• 33:18
  Speaker 7: how Huskies fans feel about Oregon, right?
• 33:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 33:24
  Speaker 7: How Cougars fans feel about UW. How Seattle Mariners fans
• 33:30
  Speaker 7: feel about the Astros' triplet.
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: Really?
• 33:34
  Speaker 7: That is how I feel about Cleveland.
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah.
• 33:38
  Speaker 4: Triple it. I just doubled. I like the fury.
• 33:43
  Speaker 3: I really do.
• 33:44
  Speaker 7: It's a situation where I like it when my team wins,
• 33:49
  Speaker 7: but I love it when your team loses.
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
• 33:52
  Speaker 7: That is where my hatred is. If I had to
• 33:55
  Speaker 7: pick a championship for my team or for Cleveland to
• 33:58
  Speaker 7: lose a meaningless game in October, I'll take Cleveland losing
• 34:02
  Speaker 7: a meaningless game in October over my team winning a
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  Speaker 7: championship because I... Hate Cleveland that much.
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  Speaker 4: I didn't realize it ran that deep. Yeah, he's drinking
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  Speaker 4: the haterade.
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  Speaker 3: It runs deep. It rounds deep.
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  Speaker 4: Fitz of Fury. That's what that is. Fitz of Fury.
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  Speaker 3: All right, man.
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  Speaker 4: Have fun tomorrow night.
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  Speaker 7: All right, fellas.
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  Speaker 3: Always a pleasure.
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  Speaker 6: Thanks, Fitz.
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  Speaker 3: There he is.
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  Speaker 2: Everett Fitz, you joining us right here on the radio program.
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  Speaker 2: All right, coming up next, a recap of our top
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  Speaker 4: Sports Radio 93.3 KJRFM. Toledo Resort Casino, it is waiting
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  Speaker 2: Tuesday on Chuck in the Mornings when six o'clock when
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  Speaker 2: Anders and Chuck had that wonderful conversation about the Seahawks
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  Speaker 2: running back room. Maybe you can talk him into that.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 7: I don't know.
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  Speaker 4: I think that would be a possibility. Well, if it's
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  Speaker 4: more of everything, right? More of us wouldn't hurt you.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, that is part of everything.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly.
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  Speaker 2: Well, yeah, we did start the show today just talking
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  Speaker 2: about the Hawks running back room. I summoned the analogy of,
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  Speaker 2: you know, sort of like, Jeremy Renner and Hurt Locker
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  Speaker 2: trying to defuse the bomb just in time. Did they
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  Speaker 2: come up with some solutions just in time before the
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  Speaker 2: running back room became.
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  Speaker 4: sort of a disaster area where we would have.
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  Speaker 2: To be in hazmat suits just to be around, uh,
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  Speaker 2: the Seahawks ball carriers, because we have a hazardous flaw
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  Speaker 2: on this football team. But now all of a sudden,
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  Speaker 2: and in the span of 24 hours, you see Emmanuel Wilson, uh,
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  Speaker 2: outgain Kenneth Walker two yards to one. The team outgain
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  Speaker 2: the Chiefs three yards to one on the ground. Then
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  Speaker 2: Jadarian Price news breaks the next morning that he's back
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  Speaker 2: at practice and could be available this week. And we
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  Speaker 2: know Zach Charbonnet was in that same storyline a week ago.
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  Speaker 2: suddenly you might have your one, two, and three Emmanuel
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  Speaker 2: Wilson third string running backs back in time for this week,
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  Speaker 2: two weeks shy of the NFL trading deadline. So did
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  Speaker 2: they do it in time? Did they clip the right wire?
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  Speaker 2: Did their patience pay off? Did the Ken Walker decision not,
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  Speaker 2: does it not loom so dark anymore?
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  Speaker 4: What do you think?
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  Speaker 2: Is the running back room okay going forward? And when
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  Speaker 2: I say okay, is it good? Good enough to win
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  Speaker 2: a Super Bowl with, or in the next two weeks,
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  Speaker 2: do they still need to find a running back?
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, I think the biggest question is what exactly do
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  Speaker 6: you need the running back room to do to win
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  Speaker 6: a Super Bowl, right? Is it enough to just.
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  Speaker 4: they don't need to carry the offense.
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  Speaker 6: They just need to, you know, make sure that we
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  Speaker 6: can still have a play action game, uh, with Sam
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  Speaker 6: Darnold under center, or do you need them to, you
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  Speaker 6: need the, the a hundred yard games, uh, more often
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  Speaker 6: than not from specific runners. Uh, I, I tend to
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  Speaker 6: think that the way it is right now, especially with,
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  Speaker 6: you know, Manuel Wilson, I think if you were to
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  Speaker 6: give the expectation of, if he were to be the
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  Speaker 6: guy for, what, four weeks now, I would have said
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  Speaker 6: we got more out of that than I would have
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  Speaker 6: expected to at that point. And then now with hopefully
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  Speaker 6: Price and Charbonnet coming back, I feel at least okay,
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  Speaker 6: if not good, about where the running back room is
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  Speaker 6: right now. I wouldn't be opposed to adding more to
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  Speaker 6: it during the deadline, though.
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  Speaker 2: Well, my rules for this are very simple. Number one,
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  Speaker 2: Hugh tells us all the time, you don't have to
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  Speaker 2: have an effective running game to have an effective play-action game.
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  Speaker 2: And then number two, I don't see balance the way
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  Speaker 2: other people see balance. Bucky knows this. We talked about
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  Speaker 2: it constantly, maybe the first time I brought it up
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  Speaker 2: with you. And that is, I don't need to be able,
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  Speaker 2: we have to run 60% of the time and we
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  Speaker 2: have to throw 40% of the time or 55 and 40.
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  Speaker 2: I don't need some sort of ratio that suggests balance.
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  Speaker 2: What I need out of my running back and my
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  Speaker 2: running game is, can we run when we need to run?
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  Speaker 2: And that could be just to get a first down
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  Speaker 2: on fourth down and one or third down and two.
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  Speaker 2: That could be to chew some clock. Could be to
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  Speaker 2: give our defense some rest. There are a lot of
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  Speaker 2: different reasons for that. But can you run when you
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  Speaker 2: need to run? Can you throw when you need to throw? That,
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  Speaker 2: to me, is balance in football. And we have not
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  Speaker 2: seen a ground game that was capable of that for
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  Speaker 2: six games, really. but we saw it on Sunday night.
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  Speaker 2: And we have reinforced the cavalry's coming. So I would add,
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  Speaker 2: I don't want to get three, four weeks down the
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  Speaker 2: road and then discover Charbonnet's not the same running back.
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  Speaker 2: Price can't stay healthy, can't stop fumbling, whatever the case
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  Speaker 2: may be, and there is no way we're going to
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  Speaker 2: start the playoffs with Emmanuel Wilson as our starting running
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  Speaker 2: back and try to win a Super Bowl with him
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  Speaker 2: when he has one good game every four. That, to me,
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  Speaker 2: is where we can't go. So I would add at
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  Speaker 2: the trading deadline, it doesn't have to be some big name,
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  Speaker 2: but it's got to be a little more of a
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  Speaker 2: proven fact. running back than maybe you have in your depth.
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  Speaker 2: All right, Rick Neuheisel's next on Sports Radio 93.3 KJRFM.