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The Late Debate | 24 June · The Late Debate

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  Speaker 1: Lately.
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  Speaker 2: General, Welcome to the Late Debate. Thanks for joining us
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  Speaker 2: on the Late Debate.
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  Speaker 3: I'm James Macpherson with Fraileitch and Caleb bond Well. People
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  Speaker 3: have been calling for de escalation in the Middle East,
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  Speaker 3: and that ceasefire announced by Donald Trump earlier today certainly
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  Speaker 3: seems to have de escalated. Iran were accused of breaking
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  Speaker 3: the ceasefire just hours after it was announced. Israel promised
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  Speaker 3: a rapid retaliation, and the US President was not shy
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  Speaker 3: in expressing his frustration just moments ago.
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  Speaker 4: We basically have two countries that have been fighting so
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  Speaker 4: long and so hard that they don't know what the
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  Speaker 4: they're doing.
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  Speaker 1: You understand that.
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  Speaker 3: You heard there Trump expressing his frustration with both sides
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  Speaker 3: in extended comments to reporters. He expressed it throughout the
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  Speaker 3: day he'd been annoyed not only with Ron but with Israel.
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  Speaker 3: And that's significant because up until this point, the US
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  Speaker 3: leader has bet Israel to the hilt.
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  Speaker 2: He's more of what he had to say.
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  Speaker 5: Rocket that I guess was fired overboard, it was after
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  Speaker 5: the time limit and admits it's target, and now Israel's
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  Speaker 5: going out.
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  Speaker 1: These guys got to calm down. Ridiculously. I didn't like
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  Speaker 1: plenty of things I saw yesterday. I didn't like the
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  Speaker 1: fact that Isua unloaded.
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  Speaker 5: Right after we made the deal. They didn't have to unload.
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  Speaker 5: And I didn't like the fact that.
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  Speaker 4: The retaliation was very strong. But in all fairness, is
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  Speaker 4: you unloaded a lot. And now I hear Isuel just
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  Speaker 4: went out because they felt it was violated by one.
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  Speaker 1: Rocket that didn't land anywhere.
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  Speaker 5: That's not what we want, I'll tell you, and I'm
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  Speaker 5: telling you I'm not happy about that Israel either.
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  Speaker 1: All I do is played both sides.
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  Speaker 5: I'm going now, as you know, Tonado, some of you
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  Speaker 5: are going with.
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  Speaker 4: Me, and I think it's going to be uh successful.
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  Speaker 1: We'll see, I'll let you know.
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  Speaker 3: So you heard there Trump saying he was on his
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  Speaker 3: way to NATO that's in the Hague. Right after that
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  Speaker 3: brief press conference, he got onto Air Force one. He's
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  Speaker 3: in the air right now. But just before he got
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  Speaker 3: on the plane, he told reporters that once on board,
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  Speaker 3: he would immediately be dealing with the fact that Israel
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  Speaker 3: were on the verge of retaliating for what they believed
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  Speaker 3: was a breach of the ceasefire by Iran.
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  Speaker 2: His Trump again.
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  Speaker 4: Besides that, qus each other for a violighting I think
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  Speaker 4: violated it.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think that. I'm not sure they did it intentionally.
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  Speaker 1: They couldn't rain people back.
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  Speaker 4: I don't like the fact that Israel went out this
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  Speaker 4: morning at all, and I'm going.
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  Speaker 1: To see if I can stop it.
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  Speaker 4: So as soon as I get away from you, I'm
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  Speaker 4: going to see if I can stop it. I think
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  Speaker 4: it's been completely demolished. I think the reason we're here
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  Speaker 4: is because those pilots.
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  Speaker 1: There's be too violent, said an unbelievable job. And you know,
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  Speaker 1: the fake news like CNN in.
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  Speaker 4: Particular, they're trying to you know, they're trying to say, well,
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  Speaker 4: I agree that it was destroyed, but maybe not that destroyed.
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  Speaker 1: You know what they're doing.
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  Speaker 4: They're really hurting great pilots that put their lives in
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  Speaker 4: the line. CNN has scum, and so is MSDNC. They're
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  Speaker 4: all and frankly the networks aren't much better. It's all
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  Speaker 4: fake news. But they should not have done that. By
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  Speaker 4: those pilots hit their targets.
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  Speaker 5: Those targets were obliterated.
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  Speaker 4: And the pilots should be given credit. Then not after
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  Speaker 4: the pilots are after me. They want to try and
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  Speaker 4: to meet it super Approbrale. I mean, Iran will never
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  Speaker 4: rebuild it from there, absolutely not.
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  Speaker 1: That place is under rock. That place is demolished. The
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  Speaker 1: BAT two pilots did their job.
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  Speaker 4: They did it better than anybody could even imagine. They
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  Speaker 4: hit late in the evening, it was dark with no moon,
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  Speaker 4: and they hit that target with every one of those things,
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  Speaker 4: and that place is gone. But when I see CNN
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  Speaker 4: all night long, they're trying to say, well, maybe it
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  Speaker 4: wasn't really as demolished.
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  Speaker 1: As we thought.
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  Speaker 4: There was demolished, and you take a look at the
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  Speaker 4: pinpricks and you see that place is gone. And I
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  Speaker 4: will say, I think CNN or to apologize for the
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  Speaker 4: pilots of the V two's, I think that MSD and
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  Speaker 4: c or to apologize. I think these guys, really, these
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  Speaker 4: networks are these cable networks.
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  Speaker 1: Are real losers. You really are. You're realizing.
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  Speaker 4: You're gutless losers. I say that the CNN because I
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  Speaker 4: watch it. I have no choice. I gotta watch that garbage.
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  Speaker 4: It's all garbage, it's all fakeds. But I think CNN
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  Speaker 4: is a gutless group of people and the people that
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  Speaker 4: run it. Nobody even knows there's been sold so many times.
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  Speaker 4: But the people that run it or to be ashamed
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  Speaker 4: MSD and C again named Brian Roberts. He heads it.
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  Speaker 4: He's a disgrace. He's a weak, pathetic disgrace.
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  Speaker 2: You have to love Trump.
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  Speaker 3: The Middle East is on fire, but he's still got
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  Speaker 3: time to go hard after see and MSNBC he got
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  Speaker 3: onto Air Force one and had not long been in
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  Speaker 3: the air before he tweeted this. Now we're not sure,
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  Speaker 3: as you would have heard Paul Murray say, whether this
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  Speaker 3: is because he's had a conversation with Benjaminette and Yahoo,
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  Speaker 3: or if this is just Donald Trump supposing what is
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  Speaker 3: about to happen. But he tweeted, Israel is not going
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  Speaker 3: to attack Iran. All planes will turn around and head
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  Speaker 3: home while doing a friendly plane wave to Iran. Nobody
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  Speaker 3: will be hurt. The ceasefire is in effect. Thank you
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  Speaker 3: for your attention to this matter. Donald J. Trump, President
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  Speaker 3: of the United States, Freyer and Caleb, A lot has
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  Speaker 3: transpired even in the last hour.
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  Speaker 2: What do you make of it all?
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  Speaker 6: Well, well, the reports now from the Times of Israel
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  Speaker 6: that in the last half hour Trump and Nittanya who
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  Speaker 6: have spoken, and that they came to an agreement that
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  Speaker 6: Israel could essentially carry out what you might call a
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  Speaker 6: symbolic attack on Iran. And the reports also of other
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  Speaker 6: times of Israel that they have hit a small target
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  Speaker 6: near Tehran with the will of Donald Trump, it would
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  Speaker 6: seem it's also a report coming out of public broadcasters
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  Speaker 6: in Israel that when Trump put that post up on
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  Speaker 6: truth Social that he already knew that they were going
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  Speaker 6: to attack when he said that Israel will not attack Iran.
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  Speaker 6: So it would seem that even in the dying moments
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  Speaker 6: of this, Trump was still trying to bay any means
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  Speaker 6: necessary persuade Israel not to attack. And I suppose you
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  Speaker 6: can understand why, because in Trump's mind, he is trying
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  Speaker 6: to achieve this cease fire to make sure that there
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  Speaker 6: is not the forever war that he promised people that
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  Speaker 6: he would not get involved in. The efforts that Trump
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  Speaker 6: has made in the last few days have not been
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  Speaker 6: to inflame any kind of war in the Middle East,
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  Speaker 6: to create or in the Middle East. It's been quite
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  Speaker 6: the opposite, really, I mean his I know a lot
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  Speaker 6: of people were critical of the fact that he took
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  Speaker 6: too long to do this. Of course, there are other
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  Speaker 6: people in the Magamus movement who said he shouldn't be
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  Speaker 6: getting involved at all. But I think Trump made a
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  Speaker 6: very methodical and thought out decision here to strike when
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  Speaker 6: he did, because he thought this is an action by
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  Speaker 6: attacking their nuclear bases in Iran that will prevent further
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  Speaker 6: war in the Middle East and of course prevent a
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  Speaker 6: potential attack on the United States in the future. And
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  Speaker 6: so what he is trying to protect here is that
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  Speaker 6: he acknowledges, of course, as we saw in those grabs there,
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  Speaker 6: that Iran has broken the ceasefire in some means, though
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  Speaker 6: it didn't cause any loss of life. The two missiles
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  Speaker 6: were intercepted over northern Israel, and so his point was
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  Speaker 6: you shouldn't have a response from Israel that he's out
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  Speaker 6: of kilter with that. So it would seem we've come
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  Speaker 6: to a point where he said, look, if you have
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  Speaker 6: a symbolic retaliation, it's tit for tat. You're in the
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  Speaker 6: same boat. Now, let's get on with this ceasefire. That
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  Speaker 6: would seem to me to be the best possible result,
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  Speaker 6: so long as both sides, and particularly Iran, now that
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  Speaker 6: they have been hit again, keeps up their end of
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  Speaker 6: the bargain.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean it's interesting for Trump, but he's in
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  Speaker 7: this position where he's got obviously the neo cons within
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  Speaker 7: the administration saying do it bomb Iran, and then he's
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  Speaker 7: got more of the isolation as types like Tucker Carlson,
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  Speaker 7: who apparently has now called Trump and apologized, according to
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  Speaker 7: Trump for saying that he was instigating World War III,
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  Speaker 7: which obviously has not happened. And I think with this,
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  Speaker 7: the precision execution of these strikes on the nuclear plants
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  Speaker 7: and then the ceasefire, he's managed to walk this fine
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  Speaker 7: balance of eliminating Iran's nuclear capacity while also not alienating
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  Speaker 7: other Arab states, in fact bringing.
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  Speaker 8: Them closer to the West. And it's all been very successful.
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  Speaker 7: I would say though, that it was actually Israel that
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  Speaker 7: started this operation. It was Israel that took out the
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  Speaker 7: air defense systems. This operation was only possible because Israel
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  Speaker 7: helped topple the Assad regime and they eliminated Hasbilla, which
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  Speaker 7: created the air pathway through to Iran. So all of
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  Speaker 7: this is years and twenty years of intelligence from Israel
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  Speaker 7: and years of hand to hand boots on the ground combat.
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  Speaker 7: So I do see what Trump is doing. It's smart
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  Speaker 7: of Israel to listen to America because they rely on
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  Speaker 7: them for a lot of funding and defense and diplomatic support.
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  Speaker 7: But at the same time, Israel will act in their
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  Speaker 7: own self interest. If they still think there's a threat
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  Speaker 7: from Iran, they started the process of eliminating that threat,
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  Speaker 7: and they will finish it on their own terms.
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  Speaker 3: We heard Donald Trump say just a moment ago that
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  Speaker 3: Israel needs to calm down, And for all intents and purposes,
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  Speaker 3: it seems like Israel have achieved their goals in the
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  Speaker 3: twelve days that this conflict has been running. They have
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  Speaker 3: eliminated Around's nuclear threat, they've eliminated Around's ballistic missiles, They've
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  Speaker 3: killed a large number of military chiefs, they've killed a
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  Speaker 3: large number of nuclear scientists, and they've made a big
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  Speaker 3: statement to other adversaries in the Middle East, don't mess
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  Speaker 3: with us. We will deal with you, and deal strongly.
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  Speaker 3: So at some point this tit for tat, and I
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  Speaker 3: kind of understand Trump's frustration. At some point someone has
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  Speaker 3: to say stop, that's enough, and he's calling, obviously on
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  Speaker 3: Israel to be the bigger person here. I suppose it
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  Speaker 3: seems it was a round who broke the ceasefire, Trump says,
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  Speaker 3: all right, you don't have to go again, because then
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  Speaker 3: this will never end. We've achieved what we sit out
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  Speaker 3: to do. Let's stop. So Israel would have achieved their mission.
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  Speaker 3: For the Iya Tollers, though, for them to have a
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  Speaker 3: cease fire, I guess they don't have much choice because
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  Speaker 3: to keep going they're going to be destroyed. But it's
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  Speaker 3: a difficult one for the Iya Tollers, who have sworn
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  Speaker 3: to the elimination of Israel. They can't be seen to
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  Speaker 3: be weak to Israel. In fact, when the ceasefire was announced,
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  Speaker 3: the Iranian leadership announced to their people that they had
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  Speaker 3: imposed a ceasefire on Israel, which is a bit of
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  Speaker 3: a joke. The question is will those two sides trick
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  Speaker 3: to their positions Israel in a stronger one and how
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  Speaker 3: long can that hold well?
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  Speaker 6: I mean, the reality as we know is that the
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  Speaker 6: only person who can be the bigger person in this
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  Speaker 6: situation is Israel. I mean, Iran has nothing to gain
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  Speaker 6: in being the bigger person. They have a lot more
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  Speaker 6: to lose in being the bigger person. The reason they've
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  Speaker 6: agreed to the cease fire is to some degree a
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  Speaker 6: level of self preservation, and Trump is appealing to both sides.
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  Speaker 6: As he said earlier, I'm playing both sides here. He
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  Speaker 6: is quite open about that because his objective is to
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  Speaker 6: achieve it as close to piece as you can get
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  Speaker 6: in the Middle East. I mean, you know, I think
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  Speaker 6: the idea of peace in the Middle East is basically impossible,
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  Speaker 6: but he's trying to get as close to it as
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  Speaker 6: he can. So Iran has, to the eye, toll of
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  Speaker 6: the regime has to let this ceasefire happen if they
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  Speaker 6: have any chance of surviving. I mean, the reality is
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  Speaker 6: still very much that there could be an uprising in
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  Speaker 6: Iran and that the regime is toppled. But as I
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  Speaker 6: was saying last night, of course you weren't here but
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  Speaker 6: for your benefit, because I know you were out having
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  Speaker 6: dinner instead of watching the late debate. And I don't
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  Speaker 6: blame you for doing so, by the way, James, But
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  Speaker 6: as I said last night, the only means by which
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  Speaker 6: you could achieve a toppling of the regime that would
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  Speaker 6: be of any use to anyone is if the people
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  Speaker 6: themselves rise up. You can't end up in a situation
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  Speaker 6: where you essentially topple the regime by for instance, Israel
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  Speaker 6: or the United States going in and assassinating the Ayatola
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  Speaker 6: and then hoping everything works out from there, because we've
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  Speaker 6: seen what happens when you do things like that, you
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  Speaker 6: create vacuums and people fill them. You cannot topple the
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  Speaker 6: regime by that measure. The only way to do it
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  Speaker 6: is to counterproductively to some degree, allow the regime to
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  Speaker 6: continue long enough that people in Iran could rise up themselves,
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  Speaker 6: and having this cease fire at least gives the year
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  Speaker 6: to allow that to happen.
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  Speaker 3: I was curious with Trump really getting stuck in the
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  Speaker 3: sea and then for questioning whether or not the US
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  Speaker 3: pilots have been able to destroy Iran's nuclear stockpile. JD
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  Speaker 3: Events spoke earlier today saying that their uranium was buried
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  Speaker 3: after those bunker busting bombs had been dropped.
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  Speaker 2: But there are reports that prior.
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  Speaker 3: To the American attack there were dozens of trucks outside
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  Speaker 3: that main nuclear installation, and the suggestion being perhaps they
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  Speaker 3: moved their uranium stockpiles prior to the US attack, and
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  Speaker 3: if they did, are those stockpiles hidden in Iran? Were
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  Speaker 3: they transferred to one of their allied countries? Or perhaps
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  Speaker 3: were they even moved around the world to create dirty bombs.
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  Speaker 3: Those reports are in the media in the last couple
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  Speaker 3: of hours. Trump is absolutely strident, we did what we
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  Speaker 3: said we would do. Their nuclear capacity is destroyed, but
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  Speaker 3: it would make sense if there is a military capability retained,
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  Speaker 3: nuclear capability retained, that the I tollers would agree to
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  Speaker 3: a cease fire and it might take them years, but rebuild.
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  Speaker 2: And we do know they think long term.
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  Speaker 8: They do think long term.
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  Speaker 7: And also we have to remember that Russia has said
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  Speaker 7: they will help Iran rebuild their nuclear program. North Korea
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  Speaker 7: has said essentially the same thing. There are plenty of
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  Speaker 7: powers within that axis of evil that would be more
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  Speaker 7: than willing to offer expertise. I think there were around
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  Speaker 7: two hundred Russian nuclear scientists working on the Iranian nuclear program,
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  Speaker 7: and so there is a lot of intelligence sharing, there's
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  Speaker 7: a lot of expertise sharing. And so don't think that
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  Speaker 7: just because these nuclear plants have been.
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  Speaker 8: Obliterated that the threat is over. This is the problem.
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  Speaker 7: As long as you have a regime there that is
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  Speaker 7: totally committed to the annihilation of Israel and the West,
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  Speaker 7: even at the expense of their own people. You won't
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  Speaker 7: have peace. It will just lead to this simmering. And
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  Speaker 7: that's kind of what's happening with HESBLA to the north
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  Speaker 7: of Israel in Lebanon. Obviously, they've been very successful at
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  Speaker 7: taking out the direct threat posed by HESBLA, but they're
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  Speaker 7: still conduct seeing strikes on a rather frequent basis against
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  Speaker 7: key leaders, key infrastructure because the radicalism continues to simmer away.
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  Speaker 7: Long term, all this does is just push back the
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  Speaker 7: timeline for another war, another confrontation. Unless there is a
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  Speaker 7: true denouncement of radical Islam in the Middle East, there
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  Speaker 7: will never be sustainable peace or.
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  Speaker 2: Of extreme Islam with an intention to what Israel from them. Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: Sure, if that's not done by the people of Iran,
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  Speaker 6: by what means do you think that can be done
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  Speaker 6: without causing a white skull war.
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  Speaker 7: The problem is the people of Iran, from the polling
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  Speaker 7: I've seen, do not support the regime. But the IRGC
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  Speaker 7: is so powerful still that anybody who speaks out is brutally,
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  Speaker 7: brutally repressed. Even Iranian dissidents in Australia are scared to
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  Speaker 7: speak out against the regime. Some of them have talked
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  Speaker 7: about having attempts made on their life in places like
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  Speaker 7: the US.
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  Speaker 8: Attempts at kidnappings.
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  Speaker 7: These are the sleeper cells that run has around the world,
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  Speaker 7: and so yes, of course the goal would always be
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  Speaker 7: for the Iranian people to rise up, but how realistic
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  Speaker 7: is that when you're living in an authoritarian regime that
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  Speaker 7: will disappear you and your family from the face of
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  Speaker 7: the earth. That's why the only path to piece is
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  Speaker 7: I think when you've got your knee on someone's neck.
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  Speaker 8: You keep it there.
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  Speaker 7: They are so close to seeing the entire regime collapse.
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  Speaker 7: If I were Israel, I'd be frustrated that the US
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  Speaker 7: stepped in now, like, let them finish the job. This
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  Speaker 7: is the first and probably the best opportunity they've had
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  Speaker 7: in almost fifty years to actually rid the Middle East
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  Speaker 7: of this toxic regime.
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  Speaker 8: Don't stop now.
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  Speaker 2: Well, the question is how far do you go?
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  Speaker 1: Then?
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  Speaker 2: Remove the nuclear threat?
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  Speaker 3: If they remove the Islamic leadership, then who rises up
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  Speaker 3: next the shark?
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  Speaker 8: Bring him back. He's ready to come back.
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  Speaker 3: Can be responsible for that, and it doesn't want to
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  Speaker 3: be responsible collected to not do that, I know.
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  Speaker 6: But that's the thing. You would hope it would all
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  Speaker 6: go well, but what if it doesn't. Go well, I
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  Speaker 6: mean that's that.
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  Speaker 8: That is the problem of work and what it is
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  Speaker 8: at the moment.
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  Speaker 2: We can always go work.
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  Speaker 3: Look at Afghanistan, mark is proof it can always go worse.
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  Speaker 6: Yes, every every time the United States has intervened in
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  Speaker 6: the Middle East, it has become immeasurably worse. So so
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  Speaker 6: on what basis do we hope that if we were
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  Speaker 6: intervened in a way to say, okay, we're just going
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  Speaker 6: to wipe out the regime, that it doesn't lead to
• 17:28
  Speaker 6: the rise of something worse.
• 17:29
  Speaker 3: So the rule in the Middle East is you can
• 17:31
  Speaker 3: always replace a bad guy with the worst guy.
• 17:33
  Speaker 6: That's you can, or you can even go in get
• 17:37
  Speaker 6: rid of the bad guy, and then walk out and
• 17:40
  Speaker 6: let the bad guy come back. In Afghanistan, I mean
• 17:44
  Speaker 6: there is there is not if you could point to
• 17:46
  Speaker 6: something to say, Okay, we've done it before, we've got
• 17:47
  Speaker 6: a model to follow along, but we don't have the model.
• 17:51
  Speaker 6: It's it's never worked, and I think that's the problem.
• 17:55
  Speaker 6: I understand the desire and the need to some degree
• 17:59
  Speaker 6: to get rid of the regime in Iran, but no
• 18:02
  Speaker 6: one has ever been able to do it before. So
• 18:05
  Speaker 6: I don't know how you think you can do it again.
• 18:07
  Speaker 7: Because I would say Iran is a different circumstance where
• 18:10
  Speaker 7: they do have unlike some of those other countries where
• 18:13
  Speaker 7: there has been absolutely zero history of democratic rule, zero
• 18:18
  Speaker 7: history of respect for human rights of Western valleys Iran,
• 18:21
  Speaker 7: they are not Arabs. They are Persians with their own
• 18:24
  Speaker 7: unique history and language and culture going back to biblical times.
• 18:28
  Speaker 7: Think of Cyrus the Great who let the Jews go
• 18:32
  Speaker 7: back to Israel, and so you can draw on that,
• 18:35
  Speaker 7: and it's actually about restoring Persian nationhood and ripping off
• 18:40
  Speaker 7: the shackles of Islamic colonization, which is what this is.
• 18:45
  Speaker 3: And I think everyone would be thrilled with that and
• 18:47
  Speaker 3: cheering for the Persian people.
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: If they can.
• 18:49
  Speaker 8: If they can do it, come on dive to do so.
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: Donald Trump, as we said, is on his way to
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: the Hague for a NATO meeting. Anthony ALBERNIZI was meant
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: to be at that meeting.
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: The will certainly talk.
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: He would be, as he's been chasing a chance to
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: sit down with Donald Trump, but of course now.
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: Albanzi will not be joining that meeting.
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: He spoke to Kieran Gilbert on Sky News earlier today
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: about how it was pointless him traveling to NATO.
• 19:18
  Speaker 9: Should you have gone to NATO wants to meet with
• 19:20
  Speaker 9: the Indo Pacific allies.
• 19:22
  Speaker 10: They're not there, Kieren, the President of Correa is not there.
• 19:26
  Speaker 10: The Prime Minister of Japan is not there. In terms
• 19:29
  Speaker 10: of the IP four, three of the four leaders aren't there.
• 19:33
  Speaker 10: That was a part of the decision making process that
• 19:36
  Speaker 10: we made.
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: NATO is about NATO.
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: NATO is about NATO, and yet Anthiy Albanesi has attended
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: NATO meetings before. Trump evidently wanted to meet with the
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: leaders of Australia, Japan, South Korea and New Zealand. Most
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: of those leaders aren't going, but Anti Albanese.
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: Surely Freyer should still go.
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: He's got meetings booked with Ju Jingping, which we'll talk
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: about later. The Australian is reporting on that in tomorrow's papers.
• 20:05
  Speaker 3: Anthony Albanize should absolutely be at the Hague. You know
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: where he is tonight though I believe he's celebrating a
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: fiftieth anniversary for SBS tonight highly important.
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: What is important? When do you think he ought to be?
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: There's Anthony Albanzi earlier this evening, Happy birthday to SBS. Well,
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: that's wonderful, But wouldn't his time be better on THATAF
• 20:30
  Speaker 3: plane on his way.
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: To the Hague.
• 20:32
  Speaker 8: It totally would be.
• 20:33
  Speaker 7: But I actually don't blame him for not going to NATO.
• 20:36
  Speaker 7: In fact, I don't think he would get much out
• 20:39
  Speaker 7: of much good out of Trump, because at NATO all
• 20:42
  Speaker 7: the countries are going to be slammed for and with
• 20:46
  Speaker 7: the US trying to convince them to increase their defense
• 20:48
  Speaker 7: spending to five percent of GDP, kirs Starma has come
• 20:51
  Speaker 7: out and committed the UK to that target as well. Meanwhile,
• 20:55
  Speaker 7: here in Australia under Labor we haven't even hit two percent.
• 20:59
  Speaker 7: We're getting to two four by twenty thirty three to
• 21:02
  Speaker 7: twenty thirty four. If alban Easy did go to NATO,
• 21:06
  Speaker 7: he would stand out like a sore thumb as the
• 21:09
  Speaker 7: one country there that is not taking anything the US says,
• 21:13
  Speaker 7: anything the Western world says about defense.
• 21:16
  Speaker 8: Seriously, the only option.
• 21:17
  Speaker 7: For him is to grow a parables and get to
• 21:21
  Speaker 7: the White House. But he's not going to do that
• 21:24
  Speaker 7: because he's utterly terrified of Trump and so he just
• 21:27
  Speaker 7: won't do it. So I don't blame him for not
• 21:29
  Speaker 7: going to NATO, because he would look like a complete idiot.
• 21:32
  Speaker 7: But the only solution now is to go to the
• 21:34
  Speaker 7: White House, which he also won't do. So really, this
• 21:37
  Speaker 7: is just typical Albanezi and so embarrassing.
• 21:39
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't think he has to go to NATO.
• 21:41
  Speaker 6: I mean it is the Northern Atlantic Treaty organization of
• 21:44
  Speaker 6: which we are not a member, so there is no
• 21:47
  Speaker 6: need for us to go.
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: I Definity Prime Minister will be there and has been previous.
• 21:52
  Speaker 6: We are, but we had this, We had this discussion
• 21:55
  Speaker 6: last year when the Niputy Prime Minister went and I
• 21:58
  Speaker 6: said exactly the same thing. I was quite happy for
• 22:00
  Speaker 6: the Deputy Prime Minister to go.
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: But this is NATO.
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: This is about the fact that anthy Abenez he has
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: zero relationship with Donald Trump.
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: If he authority that he builds one.
• 22:11
  Speaker 6: But if he went to NATO for the express purpose
• 22:15
  Speaker 6: of seeing Donald Trump, you'd be sitting here saying, oh, well,
• 22:17
  Speaker 6: you know, he's got to go over there just to
• 22:19
  Speaker 6: sort of hope that he can get a little five
• 22:21
  Speaker 6: minutes with Donald Trump. So hey can't win on that regard.
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: Well, no, he can't win him. He spent so long
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: neglecting any relationship. I know Donald Trump. But now he's
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: chasing him around the world, or at least he should be.
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: And yes, we'd mock him for chasing Trump around the
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: world because it would never have gotten to that point.
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: I totally agree easy that you have to chase Trump
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: and you should be chasing Trump.
• 22:42
  Speaker 6: Well, I no, I don't know that we need to
• 22:45
  Speaker 6: chase him to NATO. I mean we should be chasing
• 22:47
  Speaker 6: him into the White House.
• 22:48
  Speaker 2: That's that's NATO. So go to NATO.
• 22:51
  Speaker 6: Everybody was in the White House for the last four
• 22:53
  Speaker 6: months anyway. My point is we don't have to go
• 22:56
  Speaker 6: to NATO, and the discussions that will be happening at
• 22:59
  Speaker 6: NATO will be of little consequence to Australia because we're
• 23:03
  Speaker 6: not going to be party to them anyway. And Anthony
• 23:05
  Speaker 6: Avenezy doesn't give a toss what they say at NATO,
• 23:08
  Speaker 6: which will be as Frean mentioned before, the fact that
• 23:10
  Speaker 6: they're all going to commit to five percent of GDP
• 23:14
  Speaker 6: by the next decade being spent on defense. I mean,
• 23:18
  Speaker 6: you know, to two point four percent if we get
• 23:21
  Speaker 6: to it. And you can see down on the bottom
• 23:24
  Speaker 6: of your screen there as Zelenski is addressing the Hague
• 23:27
  Speaker 6: right now. But you know, if we get to two
• 23:30
  Speaker 6: point four percent, that's nothing. I mean we could get
• 23:32
  Speaker 6: to three and a half percent, which would take us
• 23:34
  Speaker 6: to ninety seven billion dollars, which is another forty billion.
• 23:38
  Speaker 6: Then we're spending now, and you know they'd say, oh, well,
• 23:42
  Speaker 6: where we're going to get that money from? I mean,
• 23:44
  Speaker 6: forty billion dollars is what we spend every year on
• 23:46
  Speaker 6: aboriginal affairs. And where's that money go? So you could
• 23:48
  Speaker 6: find the money if you wanted to. But I think
• 23:51
  Speaker 6: the point is he doesn't have to go to NATO,
• 23:53
  Speaker 6: and he shouldn't have to go to NATO to meet
• 23:55
  Speaker 6: Donald Trump. He should be having a meeting with Donald
• 23:58
  Speaker 6: Trump anyway. I don't care about the NATO bit. Just
• 24:02
  Speaker 6: meet with Trump. How hard is it to do? And
• 24:05
  Speaker 6: the other problem, of course, is that if he has
• 24:07
  Speaker 6: that meeting on the backdrop of NATO with all the
• 24:11
  Speaker 6: talk of defense spending, he would look like a fool.
• 24:15
  Speaker 6: So why would you put yourself in that position?
• 24:17
  Speaker 3: Well, he's going to look like a fool of Richard Miles,
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: get's a meeting with Donald Trump and elbows back here.
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: Celebrating the fiftieth birthday of SBS. Albani's was also asked
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: about why it took him twenty four hours to make
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: any comment at all about America's attack on Iram.
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: Here's his response to that charge.
• 24:34
  Speaker 10: There are some in the media who have a criticism
• 24:39
  Speaker 10: of anything that the Labor government does. What my government
• 24:43
  Speaker 10: does is act in an orderly, coherent way, and we
• 24:48
  Speaker 10: were very clear for some period of time that Iran
• 24:52
  Speaker 10: could not be allowed to have a nuclear weapon.
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: Did you notice when Anthony Albaneze said what my government
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: does as we act in in a coherent, orderly way.
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: He actually got a bit of a smirk when he
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: said it, because he knows saying it does not make
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: it true. And then he goes on to say, we've
• 25:08
  Speaker 3: always said that Iran must not have a nuclear weapon.
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: But it's all very well to say that.
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: What you've got to then go on and say, is
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: therefore we support Israel doing whatever it takes to make
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: sure they don't. And this is interesting how he now
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: claims to support US action to rid Iran of uranium.
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: But the US simply did what Israel were not supported
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: in doing.
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: It was the same thing.
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: If America do it, begrudging support, but if Israel are
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: trying to do it, well, Diplomacy de escalation and dialogue
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: is the only language the Albanezy government know.
• 25:43
  Speaker 7: If Israel or the US had actually followed the advice
• 25:47
  Speaker 7: of Penny Wong and Anthony Albanezi, Iran would still have
• 25:50
  Speaker 7: nuclear weapons. They are so, so, so stupid, and this
• 25:55
  Speaker 7: is my skepticism of the ceasefire as well.
• 25:57
  Speaker 8: When has Iran ever honored one of these international agreements?
• 26:01
  Speaker 8: They don't.
• 26:02
  Speaker 7: That's typically how authoritarian regimes work. They sign on the
• 26:05
  Speaker 7: dotted line and then do whatever they want. So what
• 26:08
  Speaker 7: does diplomacy, dialogue and de escalation with a wanna be
• 26:12
  Speaker 7: nuclear power who's determined to.
• 26:14
  Speaker 8: Destroy the West actually look like?
• 26:16
  Speaker 7: It looks like absolutely nothing, because it would do nothing.
• 26:20
  Speaker 8: This is how out of touch and naive they are.
• 26:23
  Speaker 7: And I think the reason it probably took them twenty
• 26:25
  Speaker 7: four hours to come up with anything was because they're
• 26:27
  Speaker 7: waiting to see what Macron did and all their EU
• 26:31
  Speaker 7: globalist friends, because that seems to be the only place
• 26:33
  Speaker 7: they get foreign policy inspiration from these days.
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: The problem was that the US strike happened on a Sunday,
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: and it's very hard to organize a focus group on
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: a Sunday, so they had to wait until Monday.
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: Till they knew what to say.
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: Speaking of which, you heard Penny Wong and others talking
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: about Iran may well launch attacks. Outside of the Middle East,
• 26:51
  Speaker 3: there are sleeper cells in different parts of the West.
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: I reckon the biggest sleeper cell is in Canberra, where
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: the Labor government have been very sleepy in failing to
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: respond to any of this in a timely fashion. The Coalition,
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: to their credit, who are still looking to me like
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: a bit of a rabble who knows what the coalition
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: are doing. But even they had to wherewithal to get
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: on the front foot and support our major ally support Israel,
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: while the Australian government put out an anonymous, vague sort
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: of banal you know, we support peace kind of statement.
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 27:25
  Speaker 6: And by the way, before I continue on that, the
• 27:27
  Speaker 6: German Chancellor of Frederic Mertz has just told Parliament there
• 27:30
  Speaker 6: that the moment has come for a cease fire between
• 27:33
  Speaker 6: Israel and Hamas in Gaza. And you'll remember Mert said
• 27:38
  Speaker 6: last week that Israel was doing the world's dirty work
• 27:41
  Speaker 6: in taking on around essentially. It's that's interesting development as well.
• 27:45
  Speaker 6: I think the problem for the Albanezy government is that
• 27:50
  Speaker 6: they have flip flopped so much on these things, and
• 27:53
  Speaker 6: I think I've previously said that they've had more flip
• 27:55
  Speaker 6: flops than Bondai Beach when it comes to this war,
• 27:58
  Speaker 6: that they've actually forgot where they stand on anything. And
• 28:02
  Speaker 6: so they've been caught a bit on the hop in
• 28:04
  Speaker 6: the last couple of weeks with Israel of course going
• 28:07
  Speaker 6: into Iran, and then of course the decision on the
• 28:09
  Speaker 6: weekend of the United States to attack the nuclear sites
• 28:13
  Speaker 6: because they're not sure how they can say, well, actually,
• 28:17
  Speaker 6: we think the attack on the nuclear sites mightn't be
• 28:20
  Speaker 6: a bad thing because it's good for the rest of
• 28:22
  Speaker 6: the world without sounding like they're getting into bed with
• 28:25
  Speaker 6: the United States and Israel on a war that they
• 28:27
  Speaker 6: have essentially opposed for its entire existence. They can't walk
• 28:32
  Speaker 6: and chew garm at the same time. They're too worried
• 28:35
  Speaker 6: about how they're going to come across that they're not
• 28:37
  Speaker 6: going to be, you know, logically consistent in any way.
• 28:40
  Speaker 6: And I would say, well, who cares about that? I mean,
• 28:42
  Speaker 6: I mean, surely in this case, even if we know
• 28:46
  Speaker 6: what they've thought about the alban Easy and Wong have
• 28:49
  Speaker 6: thought about the war all along, when they've spoken out
• 28:51
  Speaker 6: of both sides of their mouth. But surely at this
• 28:54
  Speaker 6: point you can say, regardless of all of that, what
• 28:57
  Speaker 6: has happened here with Iran was the thing to do,
• 29:02
  Speaker 6: remove it from the rest of the war and just
• 29:04
  Speaker 6: say this was the right thing to do, not just
• 29:07
  Speaker 6: for the region, but for the entirety of the world,
• 29:10
  Speaker 6: because you know what, if Iran decides one day that
• 29:14
  Speaker 6: they've got a nuclear bomb and they're going to attack
• 29:16
  Speaker 6: the United States, who do you think is going to
• 29:19
  Speaker 6: be going in to fight that war? US and Canada
• 29:22
  Speaker 6: and the United Kingdom and all the Western allies. Do
• 29:25
  Speaker 6: we want to be in that position?
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: No?
• 29:28
  Speaker 6: It should be as simple as.
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: That, And yet the Albanezi government can't really express support
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: for what has happened. Penny Wong and Anthony Albanezi over
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: the weekend, when they were asked did they support what
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: the US had done, they said something along the lines
• 29:43
  Speaker 3: of we've always said Iran must not have a nuclear weapon.
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: America have removed that threat. That's what has happened. So
• 29:51
  Speaker 3: that's a nice summary of what actually occurred, but it
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: failed to address the key question that they were asked repeatedly,
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: do you support Donald Trump in having sent bomb over there?
• 30:01
  Speaker 3: To take those nuclear sites out. They couldn't bring themselves
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: to say outright, yes, we support that action because in
• 30:08
  Speaker 3: Israel and in Donald Trump, Labor have a nation and
• 30:13
  Speaker 3: a leader, both of whom they are ideologically opposed to.
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: Even when they do the right thing, as you said,
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: for the good of the world, neither our foreign minister
• 30:21
  Speaker 3: nor our Prime minister can bring themselves to acknowledge it.
• 30:24
  Speaker 7: And this is a government that's spent the last eighteen
• 30:27
  Speaker 7: months more obsessed with Israel's actions than with bringing the
• 30:32
  Speaker 7: hostages home. They've talked more about sanctioning Israeli ministers than
• 30:36
  Speaker 7: they have Iranian ayatollahs or Hamas members.
• 30:40
  Speaker 8: They're Israel obsessed.
• 30:42
  Speaker 7: And partly it's because many within their own ranks despise
• 30:46
  Speaker 7: the nation and they're electorally exposed. At the last election,
• 30:49
  Speaker 7: the Muslim vote did gain surprising traction on a very
• 30:54
  Speaker 7: hard pro Palestine line. So I think Labor is genuinely terrified.
• 30:59
  Speaker 7: And unfortunately for the Jewish community in Australia, there's such
• 31:03
  Speaker 7: a tiny percentage of the population concentrated in seats that
• 31:07
  Speaker 7: hold no electoral significance to Labor, and so they are
• 31:11
  Speaker 7: simply ignored and the labor is prioritizing their own seats,
• 31:15
  Speaker 7: their own voters, their own members of Parliament, their own
• 31:19
  Speaker 7: feelings over facts, reality and morality.
• 31:22
  Speaker 8: And that's what happens.
• 31:23
  Speaker 7: And now they're confused and they don't know up from down,
• 31:26
  Speaker 7: right from wrong.
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: Indeed, Well, we'll bring you any more developments as they
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: occur during the course of the show.
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: Let's move on to some other news.
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: A curious story out of Queensland where a boarding school
• 31:38
  Speaker 3: in Charter's Towers, which facilitates education for children right throughout
• 31:42
  Speaker 3: the state, offers chartered flights paid for by the government
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: to well, not all their students, but to a select group.
• 31:50
  Speaker 3: Indigenous students at the boarding school in Charter's Towers are
• 31:54
  Speaker 3: able to board government paid chartered flights to Normanton, which
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: is about five north of Mount Isa. It's about a
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: two hour flight to get them home. But these flights
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: are open only to Indigenous kids, not to white kids.
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: Who go to the same school, live in the same town.
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: In Normanton, but because they're not Indigenous, they don't get
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: to go on these planes.
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: Ben Fordham spoke to one of the fathers.
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: Of these children, who also works as an air Traffic
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: Services reporting officer at Normanton Airport, and you described this
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: discriminatory situation.
• 32:29
  Speaker 11: You are the air Traffic Services reporting officer at Normanton Airport.
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: Correct, yes, mate.
• 32:35
  Speaker 11: Okay, I'm told that you regularly see twenty seat government
• 32:39
  Speaker 11: chartered planes arriving with fewer than half the seats occupied.
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: Is that true?
• 32:44
  Speaker 9: That is true?
• 32:45
  Speaker 11: And your two sons who board at school in Charter's towers,
• 32:48
  Speaker 11: they're not allowed to get on the planes.
• 32:50
  Speaker 9: No, they're not. Why of cause they don't fall under ab.
• 32:54
  Speaker 11: Study, So the flights are only available to ab study recipients. Yes,
• 33:01
  Speaker 11: and you've tried paying for seats on the planes, yep.
• 33:04
  Speaker 9: And the carrier even agreed to take our money. But
• 33:07
  Speaker 9: the booking company that now does it, which is overseas,
• 33:11
  Speaker 9: wouldn't refuse to allow our children to get on because
• 33:14
  Speaker 9: it doesn't they don't meet the.
• 33:15
  Speaker 6: Criteria because of their skin color.
• 33:20
  Speaker 9: That's how it seems.
• 33:22
  Speaker 11: Well, what's the point in having empty seats on a plane.
• 33:25
  Speaker 9: We don't understand it either. It's taxpayer funded and if
• 33:29
  Speaker 9: we're even, if we're even if we weren't willing to pay,
• 33:32
  Speaker 9: the plane is coming here. It's being paid for by
• 33:35
  Speaker 9: everyone's taxes, whether you're indigenous or non indigenous.
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: So Cali helped me understand this.
• 33:41
  Speaker 3: You've got parents of white children saying, we'll pay there's
• 33:44
  Speaker 3: empty seats, can our kids board this plane? Otherwise it's
• 33:49
  Speaker 3: possibly a six day trip for these kids to get
• 33:51
  Speaker 3: home to Normanton. And no, sorry, no white kids or
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: non indigenous kids allowed on the aircraft.
• 33:57
  Speaker 6: Well I mentioned before, they're forty billion dollars we spend
• 34:00
  Speaker 6: every year on Aboriginal affairs, and where the hell does
• 34:03
  Speaker 6: it go? Clearly some of it's going here. And would
• 34:06
  Speaker 6: you say that's a useful spending of our money. I
• 34:09
  Speaker 6: would say not. I mean, everything old is new again
• 34:11
  Speaker 6: these days. Racism is back. In fact, racism is good
• 34:16
  Speaker 6: as long as you do it to the right people,
• 34:18
  Speaker 6: it would seem. I mean, you know, Rosa Parks. We
• 34:21
  Speaker 6: all learned about that story at school, didn't we the
• 34:23
  Speaker 6: idea that segregation on the way to school is a
• 34:26
  Speaker 6: bad Well, you know now we're doing it. We are
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  Speaker 6: doing it because we say that it's a virtuous thing
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  Speaker 6: to do. On what basis do you deserve special treatment
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  Speaker 6: to go home to your parents because you happen to
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  Speaker 6: have Aboriginal heritage? Fat zero, I would say, you're no
• 34:43
  Speaker 6: more deserving than anyone else to get a flight back home. Now,
• 34:47
  Speaker 6: obviously these flights are available on the basis of ab study,
• 34:51
  Speaker 6: which of course is government funding for education. When you
• 34:55
  Speaker 6: have people saying we pay to go on the plane, look,
• 34:58
  Speaker 6: even if you're going to run the the scheme where
• 35:01
  Speaker 6: you've seen the Aboriginal kids home for free, why wouldn't
• 35:04
  Speaker 6: you just say, sure, we'll let you pay to fill
• 35:06
  Speaker 6: up the other seats. It might balance out the money
• 35:08
  Speaker 6: that we're spending on putting the program off.
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  Speaker 7: It makes absolutely no sense and it's just not efficient either.
• 35:14
  Speaker 7: Why not, as you said, just fill up the seats.
• 35:17
  Speaker 7: But another group perhaps that's trying to, on the contrary,
• 35:21
  Speaker 7: eliminate discrimination and promote inclusivity, but in a very bizarre
• 35:26
  Speaker 7: and kind of gross way, is the New South Wales
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  Speaker 7: Teachers Federation, who in their Journal for Teachers have published
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  Speaker 7: new suggestions that.
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  Speaker 8: All teachers should remove.
• 35:40
  Speaker 7: Gendered language and not for gender neutral expressions. So instead
• 35:44
  Speaker 7: of saying good morning boys and girls, the Teachers Federation
• 35:48
  Speaker 7: recommends teachers say hello epic and awesome humans. Oh my
• 35:54
  Speaker 7: teacher said that to me, I would think that was
• 35:56
  Speaker 7: so cringe, so apart from removing gender language. Teachers have
• 36:01
  Speaker 7: also been advised to address their children their students with
• 36:05
  Speaker 7: empowering language. So when they're studying maths, don't just say hey, kids,
• 36:10
  Speaker 7: say hello mathematicians when they're in pe Hello athletes, when
• 36:16
  Speaker 7: they're in art, you amazing artists. Doesn't this breed delusion
• 36:21
  Speaker 7: into children they are not. They've also been instructed to
• 36:24
  Speaker 7: refer to children as intellectuals. I don't know what you
• 36:28
  Speaker 7: guys were doing in school. I would not describe myself
• 36:31
  Speaker 7: as an intellectual.
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  Speaker 8: This is absurd.
• 36:34
  Speaker 6: Referred to as speak to yourself. My favorite is change
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  Speaker 6: makers and future leaders. I mean, if you've got to
• 36:47
  Speaker 6: the point where the biggest problem you have as a
• 36:50
  Speaker 6: teacher is whether or not you address the class as
• 36:53
  Speaker 6: boys and girls or epic humans, awesome humans, or students
• 36:59
  Speaker 6: or every everyone, or critical thinkers or investigators, what you've
• 37:06
  Speaker 6: solved all the problems it would seem in education. Remember
• 37:09
  Speaker 6: this the next time the Teachers Federation and the Education
• 37:14
  Speaker 6: Union come knocking and saying we need more money for
• 37:18
  Speaker 6: education because we're not able to teach the kids adequately
• 37:21
  Speaker 6: with the money we've got. Just remember that next time
• 37:24
  Speaker 6: they're using their time and money to say you can't
• 37:27
  Speaker 6: call people boys and girls. I think you could be
• 37:30
  Speaker 6: focusing on other things.
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  Speaker 2: Very good point. We're going to take a break.
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  Speaker 3: We'll come backwards with what's making news tomorrow, including the
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: Queensland government brings down a budget with a deficit bigger
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: than at the worst point of the COVID pandemic.
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: That and more.
• 37:44
  Speaker 3: In just a moment, we welcome back. Let's look at
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: what's making headlines tomorrow. We're talking earlier about Anthony Albaneze's
• 37:54
  Speaker 3: struggles to meet with Donald Trump, but there's other meetings
• 37:57
  Speaker 3: that are a foot frayer.
• 37:58
  Speaker 7: Oh yes, indeed, Alberzi's faces date with Ji before oval
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  Speaker 7: office in mind, Anthony Albanzi could meet with Jijingping for
• 38:09
  Speaker 7: a fourth time before getting his first face to face
• 38:13
  Speaker 7: talks with Donald Trump amid preparations for a prime ministerial
• 38:17
  Speaker 7: visit to Beijing around the middle of July. While the
• 38:20
  Speaker 7: government is scrambling to secure a meeting between the US
• 38:23
  Speaker 7: President and mister Albanesi in Washington, DC in coming weeks,
• 38:27
  Speaker 7: plans for the Beijing trip are well advanced and could
• 38:30
  Speaker 7: see him head to China first. Multiple sources familiar with
• 38:33
  Speaker 7: preparations for the China visit for the nation's annual Leader's Talk,
• 38:38
  Speaker 7: were still waiting on final confirmation that the Prime Minister
• 38:40
  Speaker 7: would proceed with the mid July trip, despite the program
• 38:43
  Speaker 7: having largely been finalized. I mean, isn't that just symbolic
• 38:49
  Speaker 7: of where the state of relations are between Australia and
• 38:53
  Speaker 7: China versus Australia and the US. Albanesi is about to
• 38:57
  Speaker 7: have his fourth face to face meeting with Gigi Ping,
• 39:00
  Speaker 7: yet he can't even manage one with Trump. Clearly he's
• 39:04
  Speaker 7: not scared of China. He's very friendly with this.
• 39:08
  Speaker 6: Well, what you're not taking into account is that all
• 39:10
  Speaker 6: that Trump has said about Albanizi is that he's very
• 39:15
  Speaker 6: friendly with him. And after the election, you see quote
• 39:17
  Speaker 6: unquote the man that won, I'm calling him by name.
• 39:21
  Speaker 6: He's very good, he's a friend of mine. Where is
• 39:24
  Speaker 6: the Chinese say that Albanzi is a handsome board? I mean,
• 39:27
  Speaker 6: would you not be rushing off for that kind of praise?
• 39:30
  Speaker 3: Again, the optics would be very bad if Albanzi met
• 39:34
  Speaker 3: with Jijingping before he met with Trump, because it's not
• 39:37
  Speaker 3: just before, it's he would meet with Jijingping for a
• 39:40
  Speaker 3: fourth time.
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: Have it? Never? Never met with Trump, and normally.
• 39:44
  Speaker 3: You say, well, it's optics, but optics are important right
• 39:47
  Speaker 3: now because the whole world is choosing sides, and so
• 39:50
  Speaker 3: when you're choosing sides, optics matters. It would not be
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: a good look and I don't know that it would
• 39:56
  Speaker 3: make his White House visit when eventually it happens and
• 39:59
  Speaker 3: he smoother no.
• 40:01
  Speaker 7: Hopefully this motivates him to secure a meeting with Trump,
• 40:04
  Speaker 7: but he's got a narrow window, only a couple of
• 40:07
  Speaker 7: weeks to get to the US and meet with Trump.
• 40:09
  Speaker 8: I don't think it's looking too likely.
• 40:12
  Speaker 7: Also in the Australian gs WARNING in round Table revamp,
• 40:16
  Speaker 7: Jim Chalmers is recasting Anthony Albanesi's Productivity round Table as
• 40:21
  Speaker 7: a broader economic reform Roundtable, securing the first seat in
• 40:25
  Speaker 7: the exclusive talks for Opposition Treasury spokesman Ted O'Brien, while
• 40:30
  Speaker 7: warning the labour dominated states that any ideas they bring
• 40:33
  Speaker 7: on GSD and housing cannot favor self interest over the nation.
• 40:38
  Speaker 7: The Treasurer has moved to rebrand The August meeting, first
• 40:41
  Speaker 7: announced as a productivity round Table by mister Albanezi, comes
• 40:45
  Speaker 7: ahead of a vital call.
• 40:47
  Speaker 8: The treasure has.
• 40:47
  Speaker 7: Scheduled with Donald Trump's top treasury official, Scott Besson on Wednesday,
• 40:52
  Speaker 7: during which they'll discuss global economic uncertainty, trade and tariff tensions,
• 40:57
  Speaker 7: and new critical minerals. I mean, what is this round
• 41:02
  Speaker 7: table really going to achieve? Does anyone think, like, genuinely,
• 41:06
  Speaker 7: does anyone think this round table is going to do anything.
• 41:10
  Speaker 8: I'm not convinced.
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  Speaker 3: We're not around for Kevin Rudd's Big Ideas Symposium where
• 41:15
  Speaker 3: do you remember Kevin Rudder was famously sat on the
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: floor up against the wall while a bevy of famous
• 41:20
  Speaker 3: Australians came up with amazing ideas that were never implemented exact.
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: The interesting thing to me about this story is not
• 41:27
  Speaker 3: so much what will be accomplished, but more the dynamics
• 41:31
  Speaker 3: of Jim Chalmers starting to reframe the Prime Minister's idea
• 41:35
  Speaker 3: from a proactivity round table to now a more general
• 41:39
  Speaker 3: economic reform round table. It's just interesting watching that relationship
• 41:44
  Speaker 3: and how it plays out over the next little while.
• 41:46
  Speaker 3: Good that Ted O'Brien is there, as he should be,
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: but yeah, Jim Chalmers just putting his little mark on
• 41:53
  Speaker 3: this event, and.
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  Speaker 6: To be perfectly honest, good on him, because I would
• 41:58
  Speaker 6: trust Jim Chalmers over Anthony Albert and easy for competence,
• 42:01
  Speaker 6: it has to be said. And let's not forget, of course,
• 42:03
  Speaker 6: that the reason Jim Chalmers is doctor Jim Charmers is
• 42:07
  Speaker 6: because he has a PhD in Paul Keaton, and Paul
• 42:10
  Speaker 6: Keating is arguably that the last great reforming treasurer we had.
• 42:16
  Speaker 6: So look, this thing may well be a lot of
• 42:18
  Speaker 6: hot air, but I have to say, even if it
• 42:20
  Speaker 6: turns out to be so, I'm glad to hear someone
• 42:23
  Speaker 6: genuinely talking for the first time in a very long time,
• 42:27
  Speaker 6: at least about entertaining the idea of economic reform because
• 42:31
  Speaker 6: it has been off the agenda for a very long
• 42:33
  Speaker 6: time in this country and it's sorely needed.
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: Well.
• 42:36
  Speaker 3: Speaking of economic reform, Queensland needs some. They release their
• 42:39
  Speaker 3: state budget today and the headline tomorrow reads State budget
• 42:44
  Speaker 3: train wreck. Treasurer awakes nursing Labour's COVID like deficit and
• 42:48
  Speaker 3: record debt. Janetski's hangover is the headline. The article reads,
• 42:53
  Speaker 3: The Queensland budget will remain a sea of red for
• 42:55
  Speaker 3: the next four years as Treasurer David Jenetski struggles to
• 42:59
  Speaker 3: fund Labour's cost blowouts and phantom programs.
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: As revenue from the GST.
• 43:03
  Speaker 3: And coal royalties dive, the budget deficit will reach eight
• 43:07
  Speaker 3: point six billion dollars next year, worse than at the
• 43:10
  Speaker 3: height of the pandemic. Now Janetski, of course, is going
• 43:15
  Speaker 3: carefully because you'll remember some time ago when Campbell Newman
• 43:20
  Speaker 3: was elected in a landslide to run Queensland and was
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: promptly booted from office just a couple of years later,
• 43:27
  Speaker 3: having gone very hard at cutting back spending trying to
• 43:30
  Speaker 3: get the budget back into shape. He was punished for
• 43:33
  Speaker 3: doing that, and so the LMP this time are advertising
• 43:37
  Speaker 3: that they will move back into surplus in a responsible way.
• 43:41
  Speaker 3: But for that to happen they'll need a couple of
• 43:44
  Speaker 3: terms to do it. The only handout promised in the
• 43:47
  Speaker 3: budget tomorrow for Queensland is there was a one hundred
• 43:50
  Speaker 3: dollars payment per primary school student to help them get
• 43:53
  Speaker 3: back to school next January. So the budget is tight
• 43:57
  Speaker 3: and yet the deficit will will be large.
• 44:01
  Speaker 6: Well, yes, sir, And that seems to be the case
• 44:03
  Speaker 6: around the country at the moment, doesn't it. Before I
• 44:05
  Speaker 6: get into the Daily Telegraph to report out of axios
• 44:08
  Speaker 6: in the United States, about the phone call that happened
• 44:12
  Speaker 6: between nitt Yahoo and Donald Trump. A White House source
• 44:17
  Speaker 6: is saying that Trump spoke in an exceptionally and firm
• 44:21
  Speaker 6: and direct way, quote unquote on his disapproval of the
• 44:24
  Speaker 6: retaliation strike that Israel was about to carry out, and
• 44:28
  Speaker 6: very firmly told nitt Yaho what needed to happen to
• 44:32
  Speaker 6: sustain the ceasefire. The sourced quote, the Prime Minister understood
• 44:36
  Speaker 6: the severity of the situation, the concerns Trump expressed, but
• 44:41
  Speaker 6: Nittnah who basically told Trump that this was planned, this attack,
• 44:46
  Speaker 6: and that there was no way essentially to stop it,
• 44:49
  Speaker 6: and that they both eventually agreed to have the scale
• 44:52
  Speaker 6: back attack that we saw on a radar near Tehran.
• 44:56
  Speaker 6: So again, if there's any further details, we'll bring that
• 44:59
  Speaker 6: to you. But getting back into the local news on
• 45:01
  Speaker 6: the front of the Daily Telegraph tomorrow. The New South Wales,
• 45:04
  Speaker 6: by the way, had a state budget today as well,
• 45:08
  Speaker 6: and it's been relegated to a sidebar on the newspaper
• 45:11
  Speaker 6: because there is a much bigger story in town, says
• 45:15
  Speaker 6: Flaming Idiots. Businesses Fumobive Council's gas band businesses are pleading
• 45:19
  Speaker 6: for Premier Chris Mins to fight back against the City
• 45:22
  Speaker 6: of Sydney's anti gas crusade, fearing it could devastate the
• 45:25
  Speaker 6: city's prized restaurant industry. And I love the photograph above
• 45:31
  Speaker 6: it from a restaurateur, Naji Chew, saying that the anti
• 45:36
  Speaker 6: gas drive could cruel her industry, saying, quote, you can't
• 45:39
  Speaker 6: do Asian cooking on induction wots and she is absolutely right.
• 45:44
  Speaker 6: I have to say, having been in rentals for a
• 45:48
  Speaker 6: few years after I left lived left Adelaide, I've had
• 45:54
  Speaker 6: until now electric cooktops everywhere I've lived. And when I
• 45:58
  Speaker 6: moved into the joint I'm in now, Oh it has gas,
• 46:01
  Speaker 6: and I was so happy. I said, I've got to
• 46:04
  Speaker 6: go and get a walk so i can actually cook
• 46:06
  Speaker 6: on gas again. Because it's true, there is no alternative
• 46:10
  Speaker 6: to gas if you want proper high heat cooking. And
• 46:13
  Speaker 6: she's right, can't cook properly in a Chinese restaurant of
• 46:17
  Speaker 6: whatever with electric bagger all this how to save the
• 46:20
  Speaker 6: planet stuff where you want good Chinese food?
• 46:23
  Speaker 7: Amen to that, and just quickly before we go. In
• 46:27
  Speaker 7: the Tasmanian Mercury, the headline is E Content crackdown the
• 46:31
  Speaker 7: E Safety Commissioner has announced an imminent crackdown, forcing big
• 46:34
  Speaker 7: tech to clamp down and restricting children from accessing porn,
• 46:38
  Speaker 7: violent videos, and content that promotes disordered eating and self harm.
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: Well, there you go, coming up after the break.
• 46:45
  Speaker 3: You won't believe what women in Melbourne are being asked
• 46:47
  Speaker 3: to pay to listen to Hillary Clinton and Julia Gillard
• 46:50
  Speaker 3: appearing as holograms talk about leadership.
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: That's coming up in just a moment. Well, welcome back.
• 46:58
  Speaker 3: In breaking news, Trump spoken to reporters on Air Force
• 47:02
  Speaker 3: one as they make their way to the Hague for
• 47:03
  Speaker 3: the NATO meeting, telling them he does not want to
• 47:07
  Speaker 3: see regime change in Iran.
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: He says that would lead to chaos.
• 47:12
  Speaker 3: He also reveals that he's spoken to Vladimir Putin, insisting
• 47:16
  Speaker 3: again that Iran must not get nuclear weapons. Apparently Vladimir
• 47:21
  Speaker 3: Putin restated his offer to help mediate with Iran. There's
• 47:26
  Speaker 3: no suggestion Trump has agreed to that, but there you go.
• 47:28
  Speaker 3: Trump has, just in the recent moments, told reporters he
• 47:32
  Speaker 3: doesn't want to see regime change in Iran.
• 47:35
  Speaker 6: Kayleb Indeed and the Prime Minister's Office Benjaminitia, whose office
• 47:39
  Speaker 6: is basically confirming the version of Vince I gave before
• 47:42
  Speaker 6: about the phone call. Dave said, following prison, Trump's conversation
• 47:46
  Speaker 6: with the Prime Minister Nitnya, who Israel refrained from further attacks. Ie.
• 47:51
  Speaker 6: They were planning to carry out more than they did,
• 47:53
  Speaker 6: but Trump convinced them to do otherwise. Before we go tonight,
• 47:57
  Speaker 6: how would you like to pay three grand? Upwards of
• 48:00
  Speaker 6: three grand? I think they're asking as much as thirty
• 48:02
  Speaker 6: seven hundred dollars to go and watch a hologram of
• 48:06
  Speaker 6: Julia Gillard and Hillary Clinton on zoom. This is some
• 48:10
  Speaker 6: event being billed as the Women Unlimited Leadership Summit. It's
• 48:15
  Speaker 6: being held all over the country. I think there's only
• 48:18
  Speaker 6: one that's going to be attended in person by Hillary Clinton,
• 48:21
  Speaker 6: which is in Sydney. The rest of them are going
• 48:24
  Speaker 6: to have Julia Guillard as a hologram. For Heaven's sake,
• 48:27
  Speaker 6: Lee's Sales is making appearance as well, but I think
• 48:30
  Speaker 6: the only one she's attending in person is in Canberra.
• 48:33
  Speaker 6: I mean, you know, they say a fool and his
• 48:35
  Speaker 6: money are soon parted. I think in this case it's
• 48:37
  Speaker 6: got to be a fool in her money are soon parted,
• 48:39
  Speaker 6: doesn't it?
• 48:39
  Speaker 7: And the tickets start at three thousand dollars. Three thousand
• 48:45
  Speaker 7: dollars to see a hologram of Hillary Clinton and Julia Gillard. No,
• 48:48
  Speaker 7: thank you, but thinking But speaking of other stupid things
• 48:51
  Speaker 7: people are spending money on. Have you ever felt burnt
• 48:54
  Speaker 7: out and stressed by work? Well, some Sydney siders are
• 48:58
  Speaker 7: forking out between six thousand and twenty five thousand dollars
• 49:04
  Speaker 7: on luxury burnout retreats where they do things like mentoring,
• 49:08
  Speaker 7: breath work, meditation and nature immersion.
• 49:12
  Speaker 8: I'm pretty sure that's just walking through the bush.
• 49:15
  Speaker 7: But well, if you can charge twenty five thousand dollars
• 49:18
  Speaker 7: for it, that's a good business.
• 49:19
  Speaker 8: Why not?
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: Indeed, why not? That's it from us? Stick around.
• 49:22
  Speaker 3: Coming up now our friends at Sky News UK with
• 49:25
  Speaker 3: the latest on what's happening in the Middle East.
• 49:27
  Speaker 2: Goodnight,