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E85: GunTubers, Old Dogs, Salty Pros - The Firearms Training Fight · The Junto Podcast

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  Hello, America. Welcome to the Junto podcast, where we promote the practical
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  applications of critical thinking and bold creativity.
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  I'm your host, Edgar Mills. Thanks for joining us.
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  Welcome to episode 85 of the Juneto podcast. I appreciate each and every one of you for being here.
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  I know some of my episodes drag on. I know some of them may even not be very interesting to you.
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  Sometimes they are, sometimes they aren't. Anyway, so today's episode is I'm
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  bringing it back a little closer to home on the,
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  we're talking about gun, the gun community and the shooting,
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  the trainers and the spurts and all the, all those types.
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  So I'm going to start out with this. For those of you following along.
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  I posted something on, oh, it was just an ad on Facebook for my women's only
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  pistol course coming up soon.
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  And that women's only pistol course is only a six hour course or a five hour course,
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  and yeah because well never mind why because so a fellow out in the wild named
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  armstrong russell on facebook decided,
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  to make a snarky comment and normally i don't give a shit but he decided to
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  make a snarky comment what can they learn in five hours even if you don't take lunch,
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  what can they retain in five hours?
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  So my response was, well, legitimately tell me what's the right amount of time.
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  Give me an answer on that.
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  And he didn't have one. And to this day, he hasn't given me one.
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  He went back and forth a few times. He wanted to share his credentials with
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  training with Gunsight Academy,
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  and that his 400 training hours so far in his life give him all this credibility
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  to comment on, on my post.
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  So what it comes down to on this guy, man, he's an old guy. He's a boomer.
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  He's a, what you would call a FUD in the shooting business.
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  And anyway, so besides all the emotional back and forth and the snarkiness,
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  ultimately what he was trying to do was just pimp gun sight.
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  Okay, that's fine. He could have just, you know, that's like me going to an
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  ad for like, well, gun sight, for instance.
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  Let's say they got a course coming up and me going on and commenting,
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  hey, why are you doing this course? You could do my course.
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  It's that's exactly what it shook out as,
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  and so whether this guy gets paid by gunsight or not i don't know but i'll put
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  my skill against his any day of the week and i and if gunsight wants to have
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  old edgar out they can pay for the travel and the lodging and i'll come out there and shoot,
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  against any instructor they got going okay that being said,
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  i think what happened was this guy probably not having much training in his
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  life, went to gun sight, paid a whole lot of money, so he was very invested.
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  And then he thinks that that is the end-all be-all. That's the doctrine, that's the gospel.
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  I think that's the way it breaks out.
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  So he accused me of the Dunning-Kruger effect where I'm too ignorant to know that I'm ignorant.
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  I don't know if that's the case, man.
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  But he keeps every interaction I had with the guy, he kept referring to hours. How many hours?
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  So let's get off of that and let's jump to hours. How many hours do you need
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  to train in a course or whatever?
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  Well, I think Gunsight probably does this. They probably cater to law enforcement.
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  And, you know, on the law enforcement records, got to be post-certified.
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  In England. They want to know how many hours you trained.
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  They don't give a shit how trained you are.
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  They just want to know how many hours you've trained so it can go on your record.
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  So hours are very arbitrary. Hours are very arbitrary.
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  Hours are not the same as experience at all.
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  I don't know how many hours of training I have over my career.
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  It's, I don't even know I couldn't even begin to To do that math You guys saw
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  that post I can't even math I timed something times a thousand It should have been timed by a hundred.
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  That's why I'm an instructor A firearms instructor Not a math instructor,
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  Anyway My point is this The hours are not the final Hell they're not even the
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  final They're irrelevant it.
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  How much can you absorb in those hours?
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  How much experience do you actually have?
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  All right. That was enough of that. All right. The firearms training world,
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  the online, and when I say the world,
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  I can't possibly be talking about every range in America because hell,
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  probably 90% of the people out there aren't, aren't doing social media things.
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  It's irrelevant. They don't care.
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  So I'm speaking of the social media, internet, firearms training world, the vocal minority.
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  That's what you see on the internet is the vocal minority on everything,
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  on all politics and the firearms business and all that.
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  But it's divided up into some pretty distinct camps.
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  And then it's just social media kind of keeps that divide solid, right?
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  Because there's plenty of people that cross over on all these camps.
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  But one of the camps is the competition shooters. There's the pro shooters.
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  That's what they are. They're professional shooters.
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  And they're chasing pure performance, efficiency, score, right?
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  All those things. There's a timer.
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  There are specific, very specific game rules because shooting competition is a game.
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  There's very clear stages. They're standardized, what do you call them, qualifier stages.
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  Everything's, whatever. There's power factor.
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  You get scored differently shooting 9mm versus shooting 45 or whatever.
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  So all those things exist.
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  And that's one of those categories. Then you have these tactical shooters, tactical trainers.
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  And they allegedly put application of marksmanship ahead of like pure performance, right?
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  You're applying marksmanship in a context of a raid or a, well,
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  CQB is the hotness on the internet.
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  They seem to value decision-making, stress decision-making, which is to be valued,
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  sure. Threat discrimination, right?
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  And, but, but in some context of application, a gunfighter application.
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  So that's the tactical crowd. And then they might draw context from maybe their
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  experience. Maybe they've been deployed.
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  Maybe they were infantrymen on one or two or three deployments.
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  Maybe they were Navy SEALs on, Navy SEALs love to say, oh, I've done 12 deployments.
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  Those damn deployments are like three months long.
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  I'm not taking away from that. I'm just saying one man's deployment is,
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  is not the same as another man's deployment based on what organization you're with at any rate.
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  Yeah. Tactical shooters. So in tactics, principles are, are the guiding factor.
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  Techniques, techniques are like a-holes.
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  There's just, so principles in the tactical world are a guiding factor.
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  There's five principles of patrolling. They apply to everything.
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  There are principles to CQB that they should apply to everything you're doing CQB-wise.
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  So there's not a drill necessarily to match every single potential tactical situation.
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  Okay, fair enough.
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  The problem in the tactical world is a lot of, so I just said it relies on principles,
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  but a lot of the tactical dudes out there are selling technique.
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  Yeah, they're selling technique because I did it like this and lived.
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  So this is the technique you have to, excuse me, you have to do this technique.
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  Again, techniques are weak. If they're selling you a technique,
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  you're buying, you're buying weak stuff. You're not buying something that's durable.
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  Techniques may change in the course of a single operation based on the size
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  and scope of the structure or the, or whatever.
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  Yeah, don't get wrapped on techniques, folks. Do not get wrapped around techniques.
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  And then, okay, so you've got the competition shooters, you've got the tactical
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  shooters, and then you've got this lot out there that's strictly self-defense, right?
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  I'm defending myself and my family. I'm going to make it home.
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  I've done a podcast on this with the LARPers who wear all the kit and stuff.
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  They kind of mix up tactical and self-defense and whatever.
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  But the self-defense folks, they're focused on a very narrow set of potential
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  problems faced by civilians in the everyday world.
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  And that's a fair one too. Not everybody wants to be a pro shooter.
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  Not everybody is enamored with Navy SEALs and Green Berets.
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  And they don't care about what,
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  tromping through the woods and entering and clearing gigantic structures.
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  And in that civilian world, most likely, there's always the argument about statistics,
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  what might happen versus what could happen, et cetera.
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  Probably close range. Probably a limited number of rounds will be fired in this interaction.
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  There will be a legal aftermath. None of these tactical dudes talk about legal
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  aftermath because they're assuming the society has collapsed.
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  Competition world don't talk about it because it's irrelevant to the game. It's not a part of it.
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  But in the civilian self-defense market, there is a legal aftermath.
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  And you need to be ready and aware of it and ready for it.
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  And then the normal constraints of everyday carry, just the local laws and just.
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  Where do you carry on your person?
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  Is concealment more important to you than functionality?
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  Can you get away with showing a little bump versus if you work for some company
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  that'll fire you if they know you have enough? So there's a lot of little things like that.
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  And, and some of those dudes, they, they, they treat the tactical world and
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  the competition world as overkill. Like it's, that's too, I don't need that. That's too much.
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  It's not relevant to my daily life. And they're probably right.
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  So every group that I just mentioned there, they got their own set of priorities
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  and they all think that their standards are the standards. Everybody else is, is wrong.
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  The vocal minority of these people.
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  And they look at everybody else's sort of corner of the market as sort of incomplete,
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  you know, unbalanced. There's no balance.
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  Now, from the competition world, everything is scored and measured.
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  Everything is scored and measured.
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  And I agree that you need to score and measure things to, you've got to have
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  a metric. You've got to have something to go off of.
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  I just felt faster today is not...
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  That's not it, all right? But that's how they refine the skill. They push, push, push.
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  And then tactical dudes will bemoan competition dudes sometimes because it creates,
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  competition creates training scars.
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  Because most competitions have like the 180 rule, where you can't move up range
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  when you have to point your gun down range to move up range.
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  It's a rule of the game that that's it,
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  or walk through stages in USPSA you can walk you get five minutes to walk through
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  and war game your stay okay I'm gonna do this one do that do this do that,
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  change mag here do this and that's yeah and the tactical dudes are bemoaning,
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  and I used to bemoan that too when I was a tactical when I was in when I when I was active duty,
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  because when When I was active duty on an ODA and we ran a stress test,
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  normally we would run it blind.
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  We would set, you know, one bay would be the stress test. The other bay would
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  be where everybody was hanging out at.
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  And then one guy would go over. All right.
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  Turn around. Beep. Go. And you got to solve the problem.
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  And that's a good way to do things too. It's not wrong. It's just not exactly competition oriented.
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  And then the tactical dudes bemoan the competition dudes because you don't get
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  any real, real consequences for misses.
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  Well, if you're playing a game, a mic, a miss will cost you,
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  cost you a lot against your hit factor.
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  So there is a consequence if you value winning, if you value the score.
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  So real, you know, everybody wants to, and everything's got to be life and death.
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  That's why the tactical tactical tactical dudes bemoan the competition dudes,
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  well there's no real consequence for missing,
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  yeah well in that context there is you lost i don't have to get murdered every
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  time i miss all right so so they've and then,
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  yeah and then they'll bemoan like well split second sub sub second sub sub 0.25
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  split sub 0.2 split that's not relevant in combat is it not,
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  i've been in a handful of gunfights and and every one of them was a little different but,
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  there has been a couple where i was blazing fast my splits were probably would
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  definitely sub two point two,
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  and then there's others that that weren't where I was more deliberate about taking shots and.
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  It's a metric. It's just a training metric. All right.
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  And then anyway, let's move on. And then the self-defense, self-defense guys,
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  a lot of them, they won't even go and train. I mean, they just, well, I know I'm good.
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  I shoot in my backyard. I'm good. I'm good enough to do what I need to do to
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  defend myself. I don't have to be a race gun driver.
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  I don't have to be a Navy SEAL. I'm good enough to do what I need to do.
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  They think that the other two camps overcomplicate the whole thing.
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  And it's all based on practicality. And that part of it is true.
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  It's all based on practicality, even in the competition, even in tactical.
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  Ultimately, it all comes down to what's practical to accomplish my specific goal in this field.
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  But let me tell you this. hard skills, marksmanship, and gun handling,
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  they enable everything else. It doesn't matter what the context is.
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  And without the ability to deliver,
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  fast and accurate rounds on demand and under some kind of pressure,
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  whatever tactics and whatever decision-making there is is not reaching its full
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  potential because you're missing.
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  I've got an old man boomer sort of cat fud catchphrase that i say out on the range occasionally.
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  You can shoot your way out of bad tactics, but you can't tactic your way out of bad shooting.
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  And why do I say that? Because I've seen it. I've seen it in action in real life.
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  If you're not eliminating the threat, whatever maneuver, whatever thing you're
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  doing is going to peter out. It's going to lose its steam. You're going to lose momentum.
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  Now you're starting to have to
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  make longer sets of complex decision versus handling the business early.
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  Yeah, good shooting supersedes tactics in the tactical world.
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  In the competition world, I wouldn't say good shooting supersedes because I have run stages before,
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  totally clean, all alphas, but slower than dudes with three or four Charlies and maybe even a Delta.
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  So good shooting does not supersede good speed efficiency.
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  That's where I'm going, efficiency.
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  In competition, it's all about efficiency.
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  And you could say you're making a tactical plan when you do your stage plan,
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  however you want to define tactical, you're coming up with a tactic to attack that stage.
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  There's a balance in competition, and that's why competition is such a good thing.
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  Because you not only have to shoot well, but you have to shoot fast.
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  But online, we see the arguments go back and forth, and everybody knows all
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  the same thing that I'm saying right now.
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  But, you know, you got all the egos that are battling each other. Battling egos.
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  And then they use, like, very selective, cherry-picked examples to make their
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  point and that kind of thing.
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  So the gun conversation the training car is becoming sort of a political conversation
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  not red and blue just these camps now tactical and competition and self-defense,
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  so it's like a little political argument and some people enjoy watching the
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  drama and there's a whole nother camp of dudes out there that are just trolls
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  that enjoy the drama and um.
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  I follow Gun Slaps on Instagram.
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  Freaking hilarious. But there's others out there that are far more edgy, I guess.
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  All right. Now, let's look at some specific examples of some different sort of categories of dudes.
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  I'm going to say some specific names, and I want you to understand.
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  I'm going to caveat here. All right.
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  There's a segment of dudes out there. And this guy I talked about earlier who
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  commented on him, he's in this segment, except not as experienced or well-trained.
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  The Ken Hackathorns out there in the world and the Clint Smiths out there in
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  the world, they're out there.
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  And they come from the generation that laid the foundation, a solid foundation,
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  for the training world as we know it today.
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  Hackathorn started out in i don't know the early 70s he was sf small arms,
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  guy he was back before tabs and i don't know that i don't know that he ever
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  did any selection or anything i'm not sure how that shook out and i think that was only for,
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  a short time but that was the the beginning and he even said in interviews that
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  that just that just whet his appetite for Firearms And then he went on To be a police A cop,
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  And A trainer And he did And he worked at Gunsite Early in his career,
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  And Ken Hackathorn Is a founder of IPSC A founding member And a founder of IDPA,
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  Side note, you can clown on IDPA. I like to shoot IDPA.
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  It's kind of like the old man sport, but I'm kind of like an old man.
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  I like it anyway. I like it.
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  Anyway, he's a founding member. And, you know, and he talks about fundamentals,
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  fundamentals, fundamentals.
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  And the principles that he has implemented and built upon are not different now than they were then.
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  What is, is techniques and methodology, training methodology has evolved a little bit.
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  Now, Ol' Hackathorn, who I often refer to as a Yoda of the training industry,
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  he has publicly bemoaned YouTube commandos and whatnot, and me too, everybody has.
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  And then he's also said some somewhat dubious things, and this is what gives
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  you the clue that he's getting long in the tooth,
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  is he has bemoaned like red dots for for carry,
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  and he is and and he has stood on the that red dots or are of no benefit,
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  and i say a similar thing red dots inside of three yards probably have no benefit over iron sights,
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  probably but.
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  The modern world, modern trainers, technology evolves. Things evolve.
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  Everyone runs Red Dot. Everybody's been running Red Dots on rifles since the freaking 90s.
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  It was only a matter of time before it went to pistols.
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  And Special Operations was running Red Dots before the rest of the world.
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  And then competition shooters also.
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  And Hackathorn knows this because Hackathorn was in those competitions.
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  He shot, maybe he didn't shoot in the divisions, right? They ran red dots.
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  But there are some, some setups on guns back in the eighties that look like
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  frigging Terminator guns with frame mounted mounts that come up over the slide.
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  And you got, they had these frigging aim point looking.
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  That's crazy, man. Anyway, their red dots have been around. All right.
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  They've been around and now they're small and they're practical.
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  And they're durable, and they are an advantage. And furthermore,
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  I'm not here to talk the merits of Red Dots.
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  Hackathorn came out against them.
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  He has publicly come out against inside the waistband appendix carry.
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  I teach that as the standard. When I say standard, you understand,
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  it's the most efficient way to conceal carry.
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  It is the the the best way to protect your gun it's the fastest way to get to
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  your gun it's very concealable all those things,
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  he's come out against it and he says the same thing that all old dudes say well
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  you're going to shoot your junk off well keep finger off the trigger and you
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  won't shoot your junk off.
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  So he's bemoaned things that have
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  become not only common, but like the professionally accepted standards.
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  So then we have Clint Smith. He's out there. A Vietnam Marine.
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  He's got a gravelly voice.
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  And he says things like God and Eugene Stoner. And shit like that.
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  And that's awesome. He's a character. And he's a colorful character.
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  And you can say lovable character, I guess. And then after Marine,
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  you know, after Vietnam, he was a law enforcement dude.
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  And he was early on in the gun sight stuff.
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  He was the founder of Thunder Ranch.
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  And he teaches very fundamental based methodology. And that's it.
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  And he's not wrong in the things he does. But he has his techniques probably slipping a little bit.
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  And here's the thing. I can pick out five random YouTubers and put them head-to-head
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  against Hackathon or Smith or, hell, even me.
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  And those dudes will smoke our balls. and these guys who have they they played video games they,
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  started watching youtube got into the competition or whatever shooting and they
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  go out and just shoot every day,
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  can they go can they go execute a complex raid with with kag probably not right
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  but they're good shooters anyway,
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  so both of these dudes that i'm talking and i'm not just ripping on these two
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  dudes these two dudes are archetype of a of a category of people i'm talking
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  about this old this fudge sort of,
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  yeah credibility man their credibility comes from their longevity they've been
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  in this game for a long time,
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  and that is to be acknowledged and it's to to be respected i'm not shitting on these dudes at all,
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  just saying techniques are wearing thin that and and the older you get i know
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  this to be to be true the older you get the more averse to change you are.
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  You like the way you did it i did it fine it was it was uncomplicated what's all this shit,
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  because as you get older you kind of look you're learning cape here's a trick
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  to me i think about getting older is you have to stay open to learning new shit,
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  and if you are hell that kind of helps you stay young a little bit even.
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  Those men and men like them built the foundation of what we're doing today.
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  Without them, it probably wouldn't exist in the way it is.
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  But they are not at the lead edge of current training.
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  They're not at the lead edge of current training. Now look, I still tell people
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  to watch some Hackathon videos.
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  They've got on a Wilson Combat YouTube channel, they've got a specific subsection called Masterclass.
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  And it's drills. And Hackathon does them pretty well, but he's very good at
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  relaying the fundamentals.
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  Very good at relaying the fundamentals. And a lot of shooters I have out here
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  that are brand new shooters, you know, I say, yeah, watch this guy.
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  But then I also put them on to people like Nick Young from V-Locks.
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  All right. I'd say you get the foundation and then you get like,
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  here's what's happening. Here's what's going on.
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  And whether these old boys realize it or not, are intending to do it or not,
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  is that they kind of reinforce the idea of like, well, this is the way I've always done. it.
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  And I hate to hear that answer. When I'm training cops or soldiers,
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  I hate to hear somebody say, well, this is the way we've always done it.
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  The answer usually is, well, you've always done it wrong.
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  We're pretty close to it. And there's a guy out there who's very colorful,
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  Pat McNamara. I like that guy. I follow that guy. I don't know him personally.
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  He's very colorful and animated.
• 28:45
  And he calls that institutional inbreeding.
• 28:49
  Just bad techniques passed down over the generations. Nobody ever questions
• 28:53
  it. Nobody ever, it's inbreeding. You just keep doing the same thing over and over again.
• 28:58
  Well, that's substandard, man. Here, I can prove it to you. Okay.
• 29:03
  And they keep doing the same thing. They don't want to learn.
• 29:06
  They don't want to evolve. They don't want to try something uncomfortable. That's too bad.
• 29:14
  All right, and then there's a couple of other archetypes out there.
• 29:17
  And here's one, and here's a couple, right? And these are two dudes.
• 29:20
  Now, I throw myself in this category probably more than other.
• 29:26
  And I happen to like dudes who are abrasive and abrasive.
• 29:33
  Matt Pranka of X-Ray Alpha and Mike Pannone of CTT Solutions.
• 29:40
  They shape out. They come from a different profile, right? They got a different thing going.
• 29:46
  Not, like overall, very similar to the Hackathorns and Clint Smiths,
• 29:51
  right? They were veterans.
• 29:53
  But these dudes are veterans from like the top of the top, elite, Delta, CAG.
• 30:01
  I think Pannone was probably an SF guy too.
• 30:04
  They were both, I think Pannone was a Marine, then an SF, Army SF, and then CAG.
• 30:10
  And I think Pranko was Navy, like, corpsman, but I think he supported Marine,
• 30:18
  Special Operations or something for many years. And then went to CAG.
• 30:22
  And no matter what the YouTubes have, like, that's high-level stuff.
• 30:28
  But even Pranko will tell you your average CAG operator might be a B-class shooter,
• 30:35
  when you compare it to competition.
• 30:38
  There's other things going on too right so if if your only job like if you were
• 30:43
  an army marksmanship unit competition section there your job in life is to get
• 30:48
  up and go shoot every day your job in life is to go to competitions,
• 30:54
  and shoot and if there's no competitions to be going to then you're training,
• 30:58
  you're shooting shooting shooting tens of thousands of rounds probably you know.
• 31:06
  I wouldn't even begin to guess how many rounds they shoot like just in a month,
• 31:12
  Probably at least 2,000 rounds a week, I would guess.
• 31:18
  Anyway, a lot. I may be way off on that. If you're from the AMU, give me a call.
• 31:24
  But at any rate, so these two dudes, special operators, legit special operators,
• 31:32
  not any fucking stolen valor or nonsense. All right.
• 31:39
  And Pranka is a grandmaster. And I'm not sure if Pannon, I think he might be a master class.
• 31:46
  They treat competition shooting as just sort of a practical,
• 31:50
  like die not, pressure testing.
• 31:52
  You've trained this skill. This is a skill you say you have.
• 31:56
  Now you go out and you test it against other dudes.
• 31:59
  When it comes to marksmanship, that's the only place out in the civilian world
• 32:04
  that you can actually test your marksmanship under time and stress is competition.
• 32:10
  Yeah, that's it. That's the truth of the matter.
• 32:14
  And they sort of focus on professionals, right? Cops, soldiers, and whatnot.
• 32:21
  Okay. I don't even know that they do open enrollment for like civilians or not.
• 32:27
  Why is my video lagging? All right.
• 32:31
  But Pranka in particular is somewhat abrasive.
• 32:36
  And he goes on live, you know, redneck live, live discussions and makes posts,
• 32:42
  challenging dudes out there who are putting out,
• 32:46
  well, bullshit techniques or less than accurate information or dudes who are
• 32:52
  relaying what they call doctrine,
• 32:56
  not from a position of authority, whatever.
• 33:01
  And he calls it out. And it gets a lot of engagement.
• 33:06
  It generates a lot of clicks. And I don't think he does it for that.
• 33:13
  But everybody else picks up on it.
• 33:16
  And I've just watched a video. And I don't watch YouTube that much because it
• 33:22
  infuriates me. But I watched a video of a dude. I can't remember the name of the channel.
• 33:28
  But the dude who runs this channel, he's very fast talker and he's very, he's eloquent.
• 33:34
  And he took a video of a dude interviewing Pranka. So it was his reaction.
• 33:41
  And then it put me in the mind of a South Park skit where Cartman,
• 33:46
  it's people sitting around watching videos of people commenting on videos.
• 33:52
  And I was like, what am I doing?
• 33:55
  What the fuck am I doing? so eventually a couple minutes into it i was like
• 34:01
  i found the original video of the interview with prank,
• 34:05
  at any rate his abrasive approach creates a lot of clicks and that's good man,
• 34:12
  for him or whoever whoever reposts the videos,
• 34:17
  but the point is prank is out there challenging dudes who are half-assing it,
• 34:22
  or just in it from what he calls intertrainment.
• 34:27
  Yeah, because in YouTube world, there's a lot of intertrainment.
• 34:32
  And Pranka, you know, he stresses like measurable heart skills.
• 34:38
  And train those skills separate from your tactical skill. You can go train your
• 34:42
  tactical skills too, but don't conflate the two.
• 34:46
  Don't think that because you can do this, you can do that. You still have to
• 34:50
  work on both skills separately.
• 34:53
  Yeah. And, uh.
• 34:58
  And he considers competition as pressure testing. And that's it. And it is.
• 35:03
  And he has notably critiqued GBRS, the DJ Shipleys out there of the world,
• 35:09
  who, you know, he's jacked.
• 35:13
  Yeah. DJ Shipley, jacked, Navy SEAL. He's got exercise videos of him wearing
• 35:20
  short shorts doing exercises. That's awesome.
• 35:23
  And then they sell products. they got this freaking god dang 4 inch,
• 35:31
  rifle mount, optic mount they've got product I think they sell belts and things like that GBRS,
• 35:40
  and if they had stayed in the product business they would have been fine nobody
• 35:43
  would have said a thing about it,
• 35:47
  they might have critiqued the product like the Hydra mount is in my opinion
• 35:50
  is ridiculous but at any rate If they'd have stayed in that,
• 35:55
  but they got into the training business too, because they probably saw money in it.
• 36:01
  And, and that's the kind of group that'll ride off, off the mystique of the, of the, the, the teams.
• 36:09
  Yeah. That's the kind of dude that'll ride off the mystique.
• 36:12
  I don't like that personally riding off the mystique. Yeah.
• 36:17
  And they put out very, very high production video, very, very high production. So what does that mean?
• 36:24
  They got, there's a camera crew, or at least a dude with a, you know,
• 36:29
  ridiculous camera following them around and doing, doing very good editing and all the things, man.
• 36:36
  Intertrainment, intertrainment. That's what's going on with that.
• 36:42
  So let's get, and then Pannone. I happen to like Pannone.
• 36:46
  I did a course with Pannone way back, and he's an excellent, excellent instructor.
• 36:52
  He also is a fast talker, but there's a lot of information to put out.
• 36:56
  He's not a fast talker selling cars. He's a fast talker.
• 37:00
  Here's the information. You need to understand this, this, this, and that. Let's do it.
• 37:05
  And he talks about marksmanship in application, right? So, yeah,
• 37:10
  specific skills, specific tasks. We train in isolation. I got to get,
• 37:14
  I got to be able to draw the gun before I can shoot the gun,
• 37:17
  but then applying that to X, Y, Z.
• 37:21
  So that's where he's at. And this is, comes a lot, and he's done a lot of work,
• 37:26
  notable work with like the air marshals and things like that.
• 37:29
  He's, he was very foundational because I can't remember when,
• 37:33
  when he got out of the military, but it was like in the sort of early,
• 37:37
  mid 2000s after, you know, blowing, blowing his eyeball out.
• 37:43
  And he did a lot of federal work establishing a lot of doctrine and things like that.
• 37:48
  He's got that. He's got that knowledge, that breadth of experience and depth of experience.
• 37:55
  And then another dude in this camp is coming from, so the different,
• 37:59
  slightly different, right?
• 38:00
  Chris Palmer of 532 Insight.
• 38:04
  He has a background in law enforcement, not in the military.
• 38:08
  And, you know, all the stuff, special SWAT, you know, all the special operations stuff that cops do.
• 38:14
  And he takes a very similar approach as these other two dudes,
• 38:18
  just with the law enforcement flavor.
• 38:20
  And I think he's... Nah.
• 38:26
  And I believe him to be very, very competent. And I think he shoots,
• 38:30
  you know, precision rifle stuff and competitions.
• 38:35
  And he may or may not be a grandmaster or master or whatever,
• 38:38
  but he still shoots the competitions to test himself, to test himself against other dudes.
• 38:45
  And he pushes competition pretty hard.
• 38:48
  Yeah. But he reviews like lethal force incidents with cops and stuff like that,
• 38:55
  and builds on like, well, what could have improved this?
• 38:58
  What skill could have been in place to avoid this? And that sort of thing.
• 39:05
  And I like it. And I think I follow that guy and I like the way he does business.
• 39:10
  So all of them, they push skill over some false narrative or some imaginary.
• 39:20
  Context or,
• 39:22
  And they all get critiques from other, you know, the gun tubers out there for
• 39:28
  being abrasive or for being a hater or whatever. They all get critiqued a little
• 39:32
  bit for that or for calling out other dudes. Well, these dudes are just out there making a living.
• 39:36
  Who are you to call them out? Yeah, kind of.
• 39:40
  That's kind of true. But when you step into a domain as an authority,
• 39:46
  well, when you step into the public domain, period, you kind of opened up.
• 39:50
  And then when you step in as an authority that contradicts what dudes who kind
• 39:56
  of are authorities know to be true, yeah, it creates conflict, creates conflict.
• 40:03
  But it also draws consistent engagement. And I think that's why some of these dudes pile on.
• 40:10
  Prank is easy to pile on, too, because he'll sit there and drink a few pints and get saucy.
• 40:17
  And he's a bit of an asshole, I think.
• 40:22
  So you, so you got your, your pretty YouTubers on here getting mad at Pranka
• 40:27
  for being a grumpy old asshole. Whatever, man.
• 40:30
  It, it, it gets, it gets clicks. So they piled on to get the clicks.
• 40:36
  And then he gets, he starts berating people. And they go, oh,
• 40:39
  look at this guy. He's an asshole. He's berating everybody.
• 40:44
  Anyway, I'm going down a rabbit hole. Let's see. Criticism. They get crude. Okay.
• 40:53
  But there's people out there talking about standards, standards,
• 40:57
  standards who are pushing standards and they're, and they, and they do this
• 41:03
  from the, well, as an operator,
• 41:06
  you should be as a, as a seal.
• 41:10
  That shit sells to low skilled shooters.
• 41:16
  It no longer sells to high skilled shooters as a seal gets you zero ground.
• 41:25
  When you go to a USPSA match.
• 41:29
  Nobody of any real skill cares one bit about that resume. Now, let me say this.
• 41:37
  Being a former operator or a Green Beret or Navy SEAL or Raider or whatever,
• 41:45
  that's a very good entry point on the resume. It is.
• 41:50
  It's admirable and it's notable to establish initial credibility,
• 41:57
  but it's only the start point. It is only the start point.
• 42:01
  People who train now only care about what can you do now.
• 42:07
  What can you demonstrate now?
• 42:10
  And that's why it's so critical to demonstrate when you're, when you're doing
• 42:14
  a course, it's critical that you demonstrate what you're trying to teach.
• 42:20
  And look, not all demos go, not all demos are perfect.
• 42:26
  Well, you got to own, you got to own the performance.
• 42:30
  If I do a demo and I, and something happened that I didn't like,
• 42:33
  if I catch a C zone, like if I, if I'm doing, let's just say,
• 42:38
  uh, from, from like 15 yard draw and put two on target for time.
• 42:47
  I got an A zone and a C zone. Well, if I can explain, and I don't mean excuse,
• 42:52
  I mean, explain, okay, I hit that C zone because either my visual discipline, I didn't,
• 43:01
  or, or I could feel myself sort of, I relaxed my wrist a little much.
• 43:05
  I did. You, you got to be able to call the shot, right?
• 43:08
  So that don't excuse anything that just explains it. And, and part of the,
• 43:13
  what, what's advanced about shooting these days is not, there's no such thing as advanced shooting.
• 43:20
  But what is advanced is you being able to accurately assess what went wrong, when it went wrong.
• 43:27
  Not after the fact, not after you go down and look at the target and then you
• 43:30
  try to come up with some, well, why could it have gone high left?
• 43:35
  You don't do that. While you're still back at 15 or 20, you go,
• 43:38
  oh yeah, I probably slung one high left.
• 43:42
  And there's a real easy way to know that because your diet was up there, right?
• 43:48
  Anyway, you got to be able to do that. You got to be able to do that.
• 43:54
  And a lot of these, these dudes don't do that.
• 43:58
  And then there's another group of guys. So the guys that critique these,
• 44:02
  the prankers and panones out there and is these high viz,
• 44:08
  big channel, high content creating you gun tubers,
• 44:14
  who they might wear skinny jeans or they're fashionable and you know late 20s
• 44:21
  early 30s they've been around just long enough to be fucking snarky,
• 44:27
  they shoot pretty good. They might even train people, but their bread and butter
• 44:32
  is making money on YouTube somehow. I still don't know how to do that.
• 44:37
  And they care about audience growth. They care about growing those numbers and
• 44:41
  they care about getting sponsorships for whatever on their channel.
• 44:48
  Yeah, that, that group is out there. Now of that group, a lot of them have some
• 44:54
  pretty useful, like product reviews.
• 44:57
  I do see some good product reviews once in a while. And some of them put out
• 45:03
  pretty decent training content.
• 45:06
  But now I happen to feel like I am discerning enough to know when it's kind
• 45:11
  of bullshit and when it's not.
• 45:14
  And I'll put a pin in a thing. I'll save a video if I hear something I think is suspect.
• 45:21
  And I'll go test out that thing and I'll bat that off other professionals that
• 45:26
  I know and then to confirm or deny, you know what I mean?
• 45:31
  I don't know if everybody does that. Some people just take in the video and
• 45:34
  they go, oh, that's the way to do it and that's it. And they jump on board.
• 45:39
  But some of them put out pretty good content and it might be high production
• 45:43
  value content or they got some sexy cameras set up all over or whatever.
• 45:47
  But these days there's a generation out there that it's all about,
• 45:50
  they know how to do the content, right?
• 45:54
  But even when they're putting out good stuff, it's still, the platform itself
• 45:58
  rewards clicks and volume and novelty and engagement.
• 46:05
  And these bigger channels out there with, you know, a million viewers and whatnot,
• 46:09
  these dudes can spread information, whether it's good, bad, incomplete, questionable.
• 46:17
  That shit spreads like wildfire, like a virus.
• 46:22
  So yeah and then in contrast to that group there's another crew crew out there
• 46:29
  and i'm in this crew for sure,
• 46:32
  working trainers or competitors who shoot every day.
• 46:39
  Or chase matches every weekend, local matches.
• 46:43
  And they got minimal social media presence because if I'm out there shooting, I can't be videoing.
• 46:50
  You guys have seen some of my videos. They're not spectacular. They're very basic.
• 46:57
  I ain't got a camera guy. I can't afford a camera guy.
• 47:01
  Furthermore, more, I'm not sure I'd even want to get a camera guy.
• 47:05
  I would like a camera guy for specific things, but so nobody sees the work.
• 47:12
  And because they don't see the work, a lot of guys assume you're not doing the work.
• 47:18
  But, but I consider us the working class of this, of this business,
• 47:23
  the working class, hustling every day,
• 47:28
  making a living, barely, maybe, yes, and working on consistently improving skill,
• 47:36
  or helping others improve skill,
• 47:39
  or trying to rank up in the competition world.
• 47:45
  I don't chase matches. My time is finite and I train people. That's what I do.
• 47:54
  I do like to shoot matches, and occasionally I'll go to a match.
• 48:00
  Yeah, so we're not going for the followers or for the clicks or engagements.
• 48:05
  We're just out there working and occasionally throw a video up.
• 48:08
  Hey, I'm out here working. Come out here.
• 48:10
  Work with me, please. Hey, please come out and work with me.
• 48:16
  Always, always booking private sessions. All right.
• 48:21
  So anyway, there's a lot of big mouths out there and they're big mouths because
• 48:25
  they're at arm's reach and they're not going to get punched in the mouth.
• 48:30
  And they throw sarcasm, they troll, and then they throw the sarcasm and all that.
• 48:34
  And mainly, maybe because they're assholes, but also for structural platform purposes, right?
• 48:40
  Sarcasm will usually get an answer.
• 48:43
  People latch onto it.
• 48:46
  And then there's people out there, and here's the thing about the internet,
• 48:49
  it's easy to claim expertise, and it's hard to confirm expertise.
• 48:56
  So, there's a lot of guys, I got my bio, it's out there in the world,
• 49:01
  it's verifiable, whatever.
• 49:05
  My experience is verifiable, but...
• 49:10
  I don't know, man. I could probably very easily. Well, unless you use Tim Kennedy
• 49:16
  for an example, you know, I hope he's well, right? I hear he got shot in Congo or somewhere.
• 49:24
  So I'm not disparaging his health, but it was very controversial.
• 49:31
  He embellished a bunch of shit and didn't need to, but there's never a need
• 49:36
  to anyway. But my point is this, I could probably embellish some of my combat,
• 49:41
  and make it sound really cool.
• 49:46
  Yeah. And I could, you know, get a couple of pints in me. I can tell you a very
• 49:52
  bedazzling story or two or three.
• 49:56
  And they're not altogether lies,
• 49:59
  but they could be embellished to be very palter. I could palter, right?
• 50:05
  And that's what you see a lot in this business, paltering.
• 50:09
  Saying a thing to, to draw a conclusion, but it's not the whole truth and that kind of thing.
• 50:14
  You see it out there. God, it's so hard, so hard to verify who's legit and who isn't.
• 50:20
  Yeah. Yeah. So, and then these, these, anyway, these smart mouths,
• 50:24
  you know, anonymity, right? You'll, some, some dude will say some bullshit.
• 50:30
  They'll immediately, immediately get you fired up. Then you click on the guy's
• 50:34
  profile and he's got zero, has no posts.
• 50:37
  He has no followers. He follows like a thousand dudes and his whole job and
• 50:42
  life is going on and stirring the pot.
• 50:45
  You know, those bots, probably some bot farm in fricking God knows where Taiwan or something.
• 50:53
  But at any rate, even if you're a real guy, like this dude Armstrong Russell was.
• 50:59
  The cost of insults or the cost of bad manners is very low because you don't
• 51:05
  have to back it up. You can't.
• 51:08
  And I, yes, by all means, Armstrong Russell, if you're ever in Rome,
• 51:12
  Georgia, stop by and let's shoot.
• 51:14
  You see, you know what I mean? The cost is low.
• 51:17
  He don't have to back anything up.
• 51:20
  And unfortunately for him, he thinks that his 24 hours of a year training.
• 51:29
  Means something. fuck this guy.
• 51:34
  And then furthermore, nevermind sarcasm and snarkiness and a-holes commenting,
• 51:41
  what about legitimate critiques?
• 51:43
  Some guy goes, look, man, hey, I'm not trying to be funny here,
• 51:47
  but why do you do this? This seems backwards or wrong or dangerous.
• 51:53
  And then it gets treated like a personal attack. There's a group out there and
• 51:58
  I, shit, I can't remember the name of them.
• 52:01
  Occasionally they put videos out there of doing some very unsafe shit and they
• 52:07
  call it realistic training.
• 52:09
  And then you call, you know, I have commented before, not being a smart ass at all.
• 52:14
  Hey man, what you're doing right there, mass is going to catch up with you.
• 52:20
  And sooner or later, somebody is going to get hurt and you're going to get sued or arrested even.
• 52:29
  And then you get back a snarky ass, oh, you, what do you know about this and
• 52:33
  that and the other? You, you, all you do is shoot paper targets or whatever.
• 52:36
  You was an SF guy, you know, 10 years ago, five years ago, blah,
• 52:41
  blah, blah. He don't know nothing.
• 52:43
  All right, man, drive on. I'm just saying, trying to help you out.
• 52:48
  So there's legitimate critique that gets treated like it's some kind of a personal,
• 52:55
  attack or, or some kind of stir the pot thing.
• 53:00
  And then it creates, you know, it's humorous because these videos from this
• 53:03
  particular crew that I've seen, well, they're funny. They would be funny if
• 53:09
  they weren't so dangerous.
• 53:11
  They're funny until somebody gets shot in the head.
• 53:15
  Some rando dude who you've never met in your life is doing this training course
• 53:19
  and he's running behind you with a gun in his hand and pops one off in your nugget.
• 53:25
  Then it ain't going to be too funny, but professionals look at it and they shake their head and, well,
• 53:32
  whatever your insurance company is willing to accept as risk,
• 53:38
  I guess. I don't know, man.
• 53:42
  All right. That stuff's out there. It's out there. This is internet.
• 53:45
  This is the, this is the gun world.
• 53:48
  Then there's guys all right and you can feel however you like about ben stager
• 53:53
  he's an asshole and he's he's snarky and all that he's a good shooter,
• 54:01
  he has openly and sort of repeatedly critiqued other well there's a dude out
• 54:06
  scott jed linsky jed linsky who does modern samurai project,
• 54:13
  you know stager critiques that dude hard on the way he does certain things and
• 54:17
  why he does certain things.
• 54:19
  And he's even said, I think, that this Jedlinski does not have a grasp of training methodology.
• 54:29
  It's pretty harsh for a guy who trains people, right, for a living,
• 54:33
  for another guy to tell you you have no grasp of training methodology. So there's beef.
• 54:40
  Yeah, whatever I don't get invested in that beef um,
• 54:46
  some of it's just technique but some of it is principle and I'm not going to
• 54:51
  jump on sides on that one I'm just telling you it's out there and these are both two.
• 54:57
  High engagement high level shooters and Prank has done you know very Very similar
• 55:04
  open and vocal critique of, you know, well,
• 55:10
  the goobers, the GBRS guys.
• 55:13
  Because, or even other dudes who claim expertise and they use their unit lore,
• 55:21
  right? Well, I came from this unit.
• 55:24
  Or I came from that unit. Or I was a special response team for eight years.
• 55:30
  Okay, well, what has that got to do in anything? Your experience matters.
• 55:34
  Your resume matters for initial entry. What do you do now?
• 55:39
  And if you're basing all of your tactics, especially if you're a tactical trainer,
• 55:42
  and you're basing all of your tactics exclusively on what you learned 15 years
• 55:47
  ago, chances are it's evolved.
• 55:51
  Techniques definitely change over time. They evolve. They ebb and flow.
• 55:55
  And they change with the mission. They change with a lot of things. Techniques change.
• 56:01
  And the problem with a lot of these tactical trainers, again,
• 56:03
  like I said earlier, is they latch on to some technique and that's what they push as.
• 56:12
  The answer for everything. So yeah, the question is, do these exchanges between
• 56:20
  these critiques and these beefs,
• 56:24
  do they produce any any consensus do they produce any like,
• 56:29
  okay yeah you may be right yes i agree no i don't agree here here's why but
• 56:34
  yeah i agree there's never it's not it doesn't seem to be rational now here's
• 56:38
  what i like about pranka though is he says hey debate me come online and debate me,
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  well if you don't want to defend your position and well pranka he just he just,
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  he just yells everybody down and i've seen him have very calm and rational discussions,
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  but yeah, he, yeah, it's abrasive. Yeah.
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  So are people learning from this? I don't know. Some people probably are.
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  Maybe it just forces people to look deeper at both, you know,
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  either side of the equation and dig in deeper and see what they think independently.
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  Like, okay, this guy's right. And this guy, and I can see the beef,
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  but who knows? All right.
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  Well, here at Osprey Shooting Solutions, good people.
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  We train in a very straightforward way. I'm a direct communicator,
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  and I analyze individuals, where they are right now. What is your skill level?
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  How do you hold a gun?
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  What equipment are you using? All the things, and we tune up fundamentals.
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  The foundation for everything when it comes to pistols, the grip.
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  You've got to be able to hold the gun correctly, And there's little slight different
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  versions of correct, but you got to be able to do it the same every time.
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  So consistency matters. Then we start to build consistent mechanics and we do it.
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  We jump into the deep end early. We go fast early because that speed exposes,
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  things that going slow doesn't expose.
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  And once we expose some weaknesses, then we slow down and work on those weaknesses.
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  Yeah. And then we might do a little gear improvement here and there.
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  Gear doesn't make you shoot any better, but the fact of the matter is quality
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  gear does matter to some degree.
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  I always hammer, I said it a little while ago, there's no such thing as advanced marksmanship.
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  There is only application of fundamental marksmanship.
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  And one of the analogies I use all the time is if you are rappelling from the
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  roof of a building into a window and then you hit the ground and you shoot a bad guy,
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  the advanced part of that is rappelling into the window without smashing your face.
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  Once your feet hit the ground and you pull your gun and shoot,
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  all you've done is the draw. Boom, boom, boom, boom.
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  So the shooting part was not advanced. Yeah, your heart might've been up.
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  You might've been under stress for sure.
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  You just executed fundamental marksmanship. I believe that.
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  If you run 50 yards at a full sprint into a shooting position,
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  and then you have, as soon as you're set and you come to a stop and pull the
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  trigger, you're just executing fundamental marksmanship. I believe that.
• 59:52
  Hard skills and to include handling, right?
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  Marksmanship and gun handling take priority over all the other things.
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  Shooting itself, shooting is the skill. And then there are components of that.
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  There are component skills, the grip, your visual discipline,
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  your recoil management, and all those things.
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  And then movement is a different, it's a different skill. It's a component skill.
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  You have to be an efficient mover. You have to move efficiently.
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  You have to be able to move your eyes and gun efficiently.
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  That's a separate component skill.
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  And then eventually you put them all together and in a competition stage you
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  put them all together in a scenario like a force on force type scenario you
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  put them all together yeah.
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  Yeah, that's it. They're skills to be developed. If you start adding a bunch
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  of artificial context in there, it kind of clouds up the skill itself.
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  We don't want to cloud that up.
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  And the fact of the matter is this. Once the decision to shoot the gun has been
• 1:00:58
  made, once the beep goes off, or once the guy has pulled a knife on you and
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  you have decided in your mind, I got to kill this guy.
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  The skill is the skill.
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  You draw the gun, you pull the trigger however many times you want.
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  That's still the same skill across all disciplines.
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  So decision-making is a big deal and you need to work on decision-making.
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  You need to work on discernment, discrimination.
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  You need to work on managing.
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  Your excitement, your breathing, your ability to take in information while you're amped up.
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  And there's different ways to do all those things. It don't always require you
• 1:01:42
  have a gun in your hand to do that. In fact, oftentimes it doesn't.
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  You can train those things in different ways and then put it together,
• 1:01:52
  you know, in little culmination stages or exercises or whatnot.
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  A perfect example of that, and you guys have heard me talk about this plenty.
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  I do an armed self-defense course with blue guns and it's force on force.
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  Anyone who has taken that course will tell you that what they do on the range,
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  was vastly different than when some, you know, 230 pounders trying to wrap his arms around you.
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  There's different problem solving going on before you even have the ability to get to the gun.
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  That's an eye-opening course. But then the fact of the matter is,
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  and I'll give you an example. The last one we did, one of the guys,
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  he was a young guy and he's very jacked up and he's very, he's got all the stuff,
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  man. He's got all the good stuff and he draws really fast.
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  In every scenario, he did the wrong thing.
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  He either killed someone who didn't need killing or in one scenario,
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  it was outdoors and it was in like a parking lot and this and he drew on this
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  dude and put three or four rounds on the guy,
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  except not on the guy they hit my car i have little dings in my car now from
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  this guy who was moving so fast who who can draw so goddamn fast,
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  that when it came time to perform,
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  he drew that fast and missed three out of four shots.
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  And I got three little dings on my car because he's so worried about how fast
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  can I draw that he's not worried about where's the rounds going.
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  Or if it's static on a range, yeah, he's putting the rounds on the A zone. That's great.
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  But now this dude was moving and he was back. He was.
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  And perform.
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  There's so many different things to go into it and you can't train them all
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  at the same time, all the time. You have to look at specific things to work on.
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  Train in isolation. You train a skill, then you train this skill,
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  you train it, and then you put them together. Yeah.
• 1:04:03
  The results follow the performance, folks, the performance. We have to perform
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  consistently and the results will be there.
• 1:04:10
  If we're so worried about the, well, I did that in 0.92. I drew and put a round on target at .92.
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  Who cares if when you have to do it under time in a bigger context,
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  like at a stage, I can tell you this.
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  Most USPSA stages.
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  Depending on where that target is at, the first target that you're going to
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  engage, the first round is rarely a sub-second.
• 1:04:45
  Yeah they'll get the gun up in front of their face a sub second but depending
• 1:04:50
  on again the distance of the target they may need a little bit higher sight
• 1:04:54
  confirmation before they pull the trigger,
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  so the metric is not just how fast can i squeeze off one round it's not it's
• 1:05:02
  not the metric at all how consistently can you do that is the metric and then,
• 1:05:09
  and when that becomes a known I can do this consistently.
• 1:05:13
  Well, then your results will start to slowly get down.
• 1:05:18
  And whether you were a Navy SEAL or whatever, a Green Beret,
• 1:05:21
  it doesn't matter if you can't consistently articulate all those things.
• 1:05:26
  All right, we're getting close, folks. I know we're going well.
• 1:05:29
  The social media space on all this, and this is what I'm talking about, the community,
• 1:05:36
  These arguments carry on because of, well, one being in one tribe or another,
• 1:05:42
  right? It's easy for a tribe to bemoan another tribe.
• 1:05:47
  But individually, can you hold your own in a grown-up argument,
• 1:05:51
  a grown-up discussion, not even an argument, a grown-up debate?
• 1:05:58
  It's easier as a tribe, but can you do it as an individual? But that normally
• 1:06:03
  doesn't solve anything.
• 1:06:05
  The more useful standard is, how do you perform? That's the standard.
• 1:06:12
  How do you perform? Not how your favorite gun tuber performs.
• 1:06:18
  So it all comes down to it, folks. You can say what you want to say.
• 1:06:23
  You can go on the Internet and bemoan people or whatnot.
• 1:06:26
  And again, it's okay from a safe distance. Okay. Yeah, you can do that.
• 1:06:33
  Don't say anything you're not willing to back up on the ground. Yeah.
• 1:06:38
  If I go on and bemoan some dude's technique, training methodology, I think it's dangerous.
• 1:06:45
  And he says, well, you come out here. Well, one, I'm not going to do a dangerous
• 1:06:49
  thing, but two, I'll shoot against anybody that I did I bemoaned.
• 1:06:56
  Yeah. I will shoot against anyone that I critique. And most guys will say that,
• 1:07:02
  oh, I'll shoot against anyone.
• 1:07:03
  Most guys will say that knowing that they will never have to.
• 1:07:06
  I have a range in my front yard.
• 1:07:11
  Come on out. Come on out. And not just for the challenge.
• 1:07:17
  And, you know, I can tell you I've built allies, unlikely allies,
• 1:07:21
  based on differences, initial differences that were resolved on the range. Yeah.
• 1:07:31
  So, at any rate, so we talked about this. We talked about these competitors.
• 1:07:36
  We talked about the tactical crew.
• 1:07:39
  We talked about the self-defense crew. And we talked about the FUDs.
• 1:07:44
  We talked about the high-end special operator, the grumpies.
• 1:07:51
  And then we talked about the gun tubers and the back and forths on all that stuff.
• 1:07:55
  It's all out there. Some of it's entertaining. Some of it's just tedious.
• 1:08:00
  And at the end of the day, folks, if somebody's critique, again, I did this before.
• 1:08:06
  If you're a LARPer, just be a LARPer. Just say, I'm a LARPer.
• 1:08:09
  I like the kit. I like the gear. I used to watch war movies with my dad, and I like to dress up.
• 1:08:16
  And if you're a grown man and you do that, whatever, man, that's okay.
• 1:08:20
  But don't assume a bunch of knowledge that you don't have.
• 1:08:25
  Don't assume a bunch of skill that you don't have. And certainly don't jump
• 1:08:29
  into somebody else's bowl of cereal there with some limited perspective.
• 1:08:37
  Be sure, I talk about empathy all the time.
• 1:08:42
  Be sure you understand the other perspective. Not that you just hear a couple
• 1:08:46
  of catchphrases and go, oh man, that's bullshit.
• 1:08:49
  But be sure that you understand the other perspective before you jump into it.
• 1:08:55
  That's it. Understand the other perspective. It may be wrong, and you may be right.
• 1:09:01
  But be sure you understand the other perspective before you jump into it.
• 1:09:07
  Good people. Thanks for listening to this. This was sort of a rant,
• 1:09:12
  but I don't know. I felt like doing it.
• 1:09:16
  So let's see. This Saturday will have passed. This is next Thursday.
• 1:09:21
  So we have 31st of October, the Rome Strength and Fitness Battle of Rome pistol match.
• 1:09:32
  And that, yeah, it's a pistol match with some, you know, tactical game style,
• 1:09:37
  CrossFit style, physical challenge challenges mixed in there.
• 1:09:42
  Don't think you have to be a fricking professional athlete to do it, folks. You don't.
• 1:09:47
  But originally, this was originally set up for RUM Strength and Fitness.
• 1:09:51
  And, you know, all of those people up there are fairly fit human beings.
• 1:09:56
  More fit than me, for sure. So yeah, it's set up for the CrossFit crowd and,
• 1:10:02
  to try to do a little overlap, a little gun stuff, a little fitness stuff,
• 1:10:07
  you know, a little fellowship.
• 1:10:09
  It's going to be a good time. It will be fun for sure. And there will be good
• 1:10:13
  human beings standing around out there, folks. So it's well worth it.
• 1:10:16
  Battle of Rome. That's on the website. That's 31 October.
• 1:10:22
  I forget that 7 November is the women's only pistol course, which is the post
• 1:10:28
  that started all this madness to begin with. Women's only pistol course.
• 1:10:32
  Yeah, it's for women so that you ain't got dudes standing around looking at you, breathing on you.
• 1:10:40
  I'll be standing around, but I won't breathe on you. And we'll talk about fundamentals.
• 1:10:46
  We'll talk about some things. Well, this is not a grandmaster,
• 1:10:51
  you know, whatever shooting class. This is a fundamental shooting class.
• 1:10:56
  And we will spend a little time in the classroom getting familiar,
• 1:10:59
  getting comfortable, understanding the gear and the equipment and all this.
• 1:11:03
  And this is not to underestimate any woman.
• 1:11:06
  This is not to overestimate any woman. This is to...
• 1:11:11
  This is an extension of the free everyday carry course that I do once a quarter. That's all this is.
• 1:11:17
  And you'll learn how to properly carry, and then you'll get out on the range
• 1:11:22
  and work some drills to become more competent and more confident and certainly more safe.
• 1:11:29
  And you will leave that day after six hours of training, only six hours of training,
• 1:11:35
  you will leave that day more confident in your skill set.
• 1:11:39
  That is a fact Women's only pistol 7 November I believe is what that is And
• 1:11:47
  then somewhere possibly the.
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  Next weekend Possibly 14 November Is the fall of the wall Two gun match,
• 1:11:58
  To celebrate the fall of the Iron curtain Our matches are always fun They're
• 1:12:03
  fast paced Four stages And skill oriented I don't have the apparatus to make
• 1:12:09
  everything all sexy and cool,
• 1:12:12
  so we emphasize skill and smaller targets.
• 1:12:16
  Everybody, we're notorious out here for using the IPSC mini targets or the PCS
• 1:12:22
  League mini targets, which are even smaller.
• 1:12:25
  So anyway, the matches are always fun.
• 1:12:27
  Get out here in November for that.
• 1:12:30
  What else? Well, I'm lost right now after that. But anyway, check the website out.
• 1:12:36
  Ospreyshooting solutions.com backslash firearms dash training,
• 1:12:43
  or just go to ospreyshooting solutions.com. You can fish around.
• 1:12:46
  I would like you in fact, to fish around and look at some of our consulting
• 1:12:50
  stuff and some of our leadership and team, team building stuff.
• 1:12:56
  Other than that, folks, I appreciate you. And I thank you all very much for,
• 1:13:00
  for continuing to support and listen, and get out here and train.
• 1:13:03
  Take care of yourself. Be safe. Take care of your family. I love you guys.