Latest / Murder Files Unsealed / The Thanksgiving Betrayal - The Puppeteer of Schenectady
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- 0:00Speaker 1: Picture this for a moment. It is Thanksgiving Day, nineteen
- 0:03ninety five. You are in Schenectady, New York, right, and
- 0:08you probably know the exact vibe of this kind of morning. Right.
- 0:11The air is just freezing, The ovens in every house
- 0:14on the block have been on since dawn, and there's
- 0:16that very specific quiet anticipation of family gathering around a table.
- 0:22Speaker 2: Yeah, it's supposed to be this ultimate day of gratitude
- 0:26and warmth exactly.
- 0:28Speaker 1: But for thirty year old Stella Lacey, this Thanksgiving morning
- 0:31does not start with putting a turkey in the oven.
- 0:33Speaker 2: No it doesn't.
- 0:34Speaker 1: It starts with a frantic phone call to the police
- 0:36because her husband, Paul Lacey, has vanished.
- 0:39Speaker 2: Which I mean on a holiday that is deeply centered
- 0:42around family presence, that immediately sets off alarm bells for
- 0:46law enforcement. People have routines, you know, they have deeply
- 0:50ingrained behavioral patterns, and on Thanksgiving, those routines are practically sacred.
- 0:54Speaker 1: Yeah, you don't just skip it.
- 0:56Speaker 2: Exactly when someone completely abandons that script, investigators are instantly
- 1:01looking at a glaring anomaly. A devoted father doesn't just
- 1:05walk away from his family on a major holiday without
- 1:07some sort of precipitating event.
- 1:09Speaker 1: And the audacity of this crime is really what keeps
- 1:12jumping out at me as we go through these case
- 1:14files for today's deep dive. It is wild because the
- 1:17central tension here is just baffling. I mean, how does
- 1:20a devoted family man, someone who literally pulled himself out
- 1:24of poverty to provide the quintessential American dream for his family,
- 1:28end up murdered by the very people sitting at his
- 1:30dinner table.
- 1:31Speaker 2: It really defines all logic. It does well, it defies
- 1:33logic until you start looking at the psychological vulnerabilities that
- 1:38his specific type of success actually created.
- 1:40Speaker 1: Okay, unpack that.
- 1:42Speaker 2: So to understand the mechanics of this crime, we really
- 1:44have to understand the target. Paul Acey was born in
- 1:47May nineteen sixty four in Albany, New York, right, and
- 1:50his early life was defined by profound absence and struggle.
- 1:53He grew up in a large, extended family, heavily relying
- 1:56on the welfare system, and crucially, his father was entirely
- 2:00absent from his life.
- 2:01Speaker 1: Yeah, and according to the sources, that absence wasn't just
- 2:04like a background detail, it was the defining engine of
- 2:07his personality.
- 2:08Speaker 2: Oh. Absolutely.
- 2:09Speaker 1: His sister described him as this incredibly happy, loving kid
- 2:13who used to hold her hand and walk her to school,
- 2:16you know, always protecting her, and that lack of a
- 2:19father figure created an intense burning drive in Paul. He
- 2:24decided early on that because he knew exactly what it
- 2:27felt like to long for a stable home, he was
- 2:29going to become the ultimate stand up guy.
- 2:31Speaker 2: Right. He essentially wanted to be the antithesis of his
- 2:34own childhood experience, and psychologically, this is a very common
- 2:37adaptation to early scarcity. Children who grow up without reliable
- 2:41provision often become adult who or hyper focused on providing.
- 2:45Speaker 1: That makes total sense.
- 2:46Speaker 2: Yeah, So Paul enters the workforce in the early nineteen eighties,
- 2:48right out of high school. He starts at a local market,
- 2:51puts his head down, and quickly rises to become a manager.
- 2:54Speaker 1: And this is where he meets his future wife, Stella, right.
- 2:57Speaker 2: Exactly, And she came from a somewhat different back ground.
- 3:00It was a more stable neighborhood with a hard working
- 3:02dad and a stay at home mom.
- 3:04Speaker 1: So from the outside looking in, Paul is crafting the
- 3:07ultimate success story.
- 3:09Speaker 2: He really is.
- 3:10Speaker 1: They get married in nineteen eighty six, and Paul just
- 3:12goes into absolute overdrive. He transitions to a highly sought after,
- 3:17well paying career at Cargill, working at a flour mill
- 3:21at the Port of Albany, Right, and later he secures
- 3:24a really solid job at a local Coca Cola warehouse.
- 3:28I mean, his entire goal system is based on Milestone's provision.
- 3:32Speaker 2: Yeah, he's setting up retirement accounts, setting up his children's education.
- 3:35Speaker 1: And they have three young kids at this point, right, Yes.
- 3:37Speaker 2: Age is nine seven and a sixteen month third baby,
- 3:41a boy, and two girls.
- 3:42Speaker 1: And he provided everything. The files note that whatever Stella wanted,
- 3:45Paul made sure she got it.
- 3:46Speaker 2: He bought her cars, he bought a house and had
- 3:49a pool put in. He was constructing a physical fortress
- 3:52of middle class security.
- 3:53Speaker 1: Wow.
- 3:54Speaker 2: But when someone's entire identity is wrapped up in being
- 3:57the unwavering provider, they can develop a massive blind spot.
- 4:01Se Well, if we think about how this plays out
- 4:03in everyday life, people often get so focused on building
- 4:07the walls and the roof of their lives, you know,
- 4:10their careers, their bank accounts, the physical house, right, the
- 4:13tangible stuff exactly, and they get so focused on that
- 4:16that they don't notice the rot happening inside the relationships
- 4:20that actually inhabit that house.
- 4:22Speaker 1: Oh man, it's like looking at a perfectly manicured home
- 4:25from the street. You know, the lawn is mode, the
- 4:28pain is fresh, and you are completely unaware that the
- 4:31foundation has been entirely eaten away by termites.
- 4:34Speaker 2: That is the perfect analogy to.
- 4:36Speaker 1: The outside world. Paul is the ultimate provider, but inside
- 4:40he's actually.
- 4:40Speaker 2: A target and that termin eaton foundation finally collapses on
- 4:44Thanksgiving Day when the patrol officer arrives at the Lacey
- 4:48home for the initial missing person's interview.
- 4:50Speaker 1: Right, so let's get into that interview.
- 4:52Speaker 2: So Stella walks the patrolman through the timeline of the
- 4:54previous twenty four hours. She says Paul worked during the
- 4:57day on Thanksgiving Eve. Learn from this interview that Paul's
- 5:01first cousin, a man named Ron Fulner, is currently living
- 5:04in the house, renting a room from them.
- 5:06Speaker 1: Got it.
- 5:07Speaker 2: Stella says that when Paul got home from work, she
- 5:10sent Paul and Ron out to the store to get
- 5:12bread for the stuffing.
- 5:14Speaker 1: Just totally normal mundane holiday prep exactly.
- 5:18Speaker 2: She says. They returned around eleven PM, and she mentions
- 5:22a neighbor who lived kitty corner to them, Calvin Smith,
- 5:25stop by just to socialize with Paul and Ron Okay.
- 5:29Stella claims she went up to bed around eleven thirty PM,
- 5:33and she tells the officer that Paul was downstairs rummaging
- 5:35around the kitchen for a late night snack.
- 5:37Speaker 1: And she explicitly mentions to the police that she saw
- 5:41him eating a salami sandwich at eleven thirty. Yes, which
- 5:44is I mean, that is a very specific, granular detail
- 5:48to offer up completely unprompted.
- 5:49Speaker 2: Oh, those fineite details are crucial because they create a
- 5:53verifiable timeline, right. Stella tells police she goes to sleep
- 5:57and Paul never comes to bed. Now, she notes that
- 6:00sleeping on the downstairs couch or the day bed wasn't
- 6:02totally unusual, but when he wasn't there the next morning,
- 6:05Thanksgiving morning, she started paging his beeper and.
- 6:09Speaker 1: There's no response. No response, so she calls the police.
- 6:12But during this initial interview, when the patrol officer asks
- 6:16for a photo and inquires about any extenuating circumstances, Stella
- 6:20immediately starts planting seeds.
- 6:23Speaker 2: Yes, she really does.
- 6:24Speaker 1: She tells the officer that Paul wasn't a drug user,
- 6:27but he was under a massive amount of financial pressure.
- 6:30Speaker 2: And this is preemptive narrative building, right. Think about it.
- 6:34When a spouse goes missing, the surviving partner's first instinct
- 6:37is usually just raw panic, right, yeah, just find them exactly.
- 6:41The focus is entirely on the missing persons safety. But
- 6:44Stella is actively providing law enforcement with a motive for
- 6:48why Paul might have met with foul play by a
- 6:51complete stranger.
- 6:52Speaker 1: Yeah. She volunteers that they owed a lot of money,
- 6:54that he had lost a previous job before the Coca
- 6:56Cola gig uh huh, And she specifically points out that
- 6:59Paul had rec cashed out as four oh one K
- 7:01for about eight thousand dollars, and that he was known
- 7:04to carry large amounts of cash on him.
- 7:06Speaker 2: It is a textbook misdirection strategy. Seriously, she is painting
- 7:10a very deliberate picture of a man walking around with
- 7:13a target on his back, someone under extreme financial distress,
- 7:18carrying thousands of dollars in cash.
- 7:21Speaker 1: She is handing the police a robbery gone wrong theory
- 7:25on a silver platter right from the very first interaction. Absolutely,
- 7:29I am stuck on the logic of this timeline, though,
- 7:32what do you mean, Well, if you are going to
- 7:34orchestrate a disappearance, why choose a major holiday? Doesn't that
- 7:38guarantee immediate intense attention from family and police. Yes, his
- 7:43sister even told investigators that going missing on things giving
- 7:46hit the family incredibly hard because Paul's life revolved around them.
- 7:50If you want to make someone disappear, why do it
- 7:53on the one day of the year everyone expects them
- 7:55to be carving a turkey.
- 7:56Speaker 2: It suggests calculated arrogance mixed with logistical convenience. Okay, the
- 8:01perpetrators might have believed that by acting during the chaotic
- 8:04rush of holiday preparations, you know, amids the coming and
- 8:07going of family members, they could meddy the timeline.
- 8:10Speaker 1: Oh, like people would just assume he was busy or
- 8:12stressed out.
- 8:13Speaker 2: Yeah right. They might have thought the police would be
- 8:16slower to respond on a holiday, maybe assuming the person
- 8:19just went on a bender or left after a family argument. Yeah,
- 8:23but it is a massive risk that ultimately ensures immediate scrutiny, and.
- 8:28Speaker 1: That scrutiny ramps up fast because a vehicle is missing too.
- 8:31Paul's nineteen eighty six Volvo yeah, it gets entered into
- 8:35the national database. The police are interviewing neighbors, coming up empty.
- 8:40The family is in total distress.
- 8:42Speaker 2: It's chaotic.
- 8:43Speaker 1: But this perfectly manicured facade of the missing, stressed out
- 8:47provider completely shatters just forty eight hours later.
- 8:50Speaker 2: It does. On November twenty fifth, at about two thirty
- 8:52in the afternoon, the Schenectady Police Department receives an anonymous tip. Okay,
- 8:57a person calls to report a car park the wrong
- 8:59way on a one way street. And this street is
- 9:02just two and a half blocks away from the Lacey home.
- 9:04Speaker 1: I mean you could practically see the street from their
- 9:06neighborhood exactly. So officers respond and they find the nineteen
- 9:10eighty six Volvo. They see a man apparently sleeping in
- 9:14the backseat. They pound on the glass, They knock on
- 9:16the doors, no response. It's freezing outside. They call ems
- 9:21open the car and immediately realize the man is not sleeping. No,
- 9:25he is dead and his body is nearly frozen from
- 9:28the elements, and.
- 9:29Speaker 2: The scene inside that car is highly anomalous. They search
- 9:33his pockets looking for a wallet. There is no wallet, right,
- 9:36but they do find an identification card which confirms this
- 9:39is Paul Lacey.
- 9:39Speaker 1: So let's look at the signs of staging that the
- 9:41sources detail, because Stella's planted narrative of a robbery seemingly
- 9:46right there. Yeah, on the surface, his pockets, specifically his
- 9:50black jeans are turned inside out. Three rings that he
- 9:54always wore gone, the wallet is gone. It visually screams robbery.
- 9:58Speaker 2: It definitely mimics a robbery, but the physical evidence at
- 10:02the scene violently contradicts that narrative. Once you understand the forensics.
- 10:06Speaker 1: Of violent crimes, Okay, walk me through that first.
- 10:08Speaker 2: The car keys are just sitting on the front floorboard.
- 10:10There's no broken glass anywhere, indicating no forced entry inside
- 10:15the vehicle. There's absolutely no blood. There are no gunshot wounds,
- 10:19no knife wounds, and most telling of all, Paul's clothes
- 10:23are not disheveled in the.
- 10:24Speaker 1: Slightest which means there was no struggle exactly. If a
- 10:27mugger is robbing you, forcing you into the backseat of
- 10:29your own car to kill you, your clothes are going
- 10:32to be a mess. You are fighting for your.
- 10:33Speaker 2: Life, absolutely, and when the medical examiner conducts the autopsy,
- 10:37the cause of death shatters the robbery theory entirely. Yeah,
- 10:41Paul Lacey died by strangulation. He had at least two
- 10:45distinct ligature marks around his neck.
- 10:47Speaker 1: Wow.
- 10:48Speaker 2: And this is where the pathology becomes crucial. A medical
- 10:51examiner can tell the difference between post mortem staging and
- 10:54a mark made while the victim was alive. Oh really, Yes,
- 10:58When someone is strangled while the heart is still pumping,
- 11:01it causes deep bruising and potechual.
- 11:04Speaker 1: Hemorrhaging, pateechial hemorrhaging.
- 11:06Speaker 2: Yeah, they are tiny burst blood vessels in the eyes
- 11:09and face due to the sudden spike and pressure. The
- 11:13marks on Paul's neck showed vital.
- 11:15Speaker 1: Reaction, meaning he was alive when it happened.
- 11:17Speaker 2: Exactly, meaning the strangulation was the cause of death, not
- 11:21something done after the fact to throw off police.
- 11:24Speaker 1: Just thinking about the logistics of this in a nineteen
- 11:26eighty six vulvus aed ann is absurd. It is the
- 11:30back seat of that car is incredibly cramped. You cannot
- 11:33get a fully grown adult male into the tiny back
- 11:36seat of a Volvo, get a ligature around his neck,
- 11:39and strangle him to death without leaving a single sign
- 11:42of a struggle, without a single drop of blood or
- 11:44even wrinkling the guy's shirt.
- 11:46Speaker 2: It's impossible. Strangulation is an incredibly intimate, violent, and physically
- 11:51demanding way to kill someone. Yeah, it requires a massive
- 11:54power disparity, a prolonged period of time, or the element
- 11:58of total surprise.
- 11:59Speaker 1: So what did the ex experts conclude?
- 12:01Speaker 2: The experts looking at this scene immediately concluded two things.
- 12:04Whoever killed Paul had to be a person of considerable
- 12:07size and strength, And the murder did not happen in
- 12:09that car.
- 12:10Speaker 1: So the car is just a display case, a dumping
- 12:12ground exactly.
- 12:14Speaker 2: The lack of a struggle in that cramp space proves
- 12:16Paul's dead weight was transported and staged in the vulvule. Furthermore,
- 12:20strangulation is almost never the modus operandi of a random
- 12:24street robbery.
- 12:24Speaker 1: Really, why is that people who.
- 12:26Speaker 2: Strangle other people usually have a personal relationship with the victim.
- 12:31It requires a proximity and sustained physical contact that street
- 12:35robbers who generally prefer firearms or knives for quick compliance
- 12:39just avoid.
- 12:40Speaker 1: That makes a lot of sense, and the autopsy delivers
- 12:44one more massive blow to Stella's timeline. Right it does,
- 12:47the medical examiner checks Paul's stomach contents, and this goes
- 12:51back to that salami sandwich Stella specifically said she saw
- 12:54him eating at eleven thirty pm.
- 12:56Speaker 2: Yes, the stomach was entirely empty.
- 12:59Speaker 1: Which is physically impossible if you.
- 13:01Speaker 2: Ate a sandwich, completely impossible. Gastric emptying is a standard
- 13:04forensic metric. Depending on the food, it takes several hours
- 13:07for a meal to move completely from the stomach into
- 13:09the small intestine. Right if Paul had eaten the salami
- 13:12sandwich at eleven thirty pm and was murdered shortly after,
- 13:15there would absolutely be undigested or partially digested food in
- 13:19his stomach.
- 13:20Speaker 1: So an empty stomach scientifically proves he had not eaten
- 13:22a late night snack exactly.
- 13:24Speaker 2: That finite detail Stella offered to ground her timeline was
- 13:28a demonstrable lie.
- 13:30Speaker 1: This instantly casts suspicion back onto the house. It does,
- 13:34But I have a logistical pushback here. Sure, if you
- 13:37are a killer and you have gone through the incredibly difficult,
- 13:41physically taxing task of moving a dead body into a car,
- 13:45and you've gone out of your way to stage a
- 13:46fake robbery by turning the pockets inside out, why park
- 13:50the car literally two and a half blocks away. Yeah,
- 13:53why not drive it to another city? Parking it the
- 13:56wrong way on a one way street right down the
- 13:58road from the victim's house seems daggeringly incompetent.
- 14:01Speaker 2: Well, it speaks volumes about the perpetrator's psychological state at
- 14:04the time of the disposal. How So, in geographic profiling,
- 14:08we often look at dump sites to understand the offender.
- 14:11On one hand, you have the cold calculation to stage
- 14:14the pockets and remove the rings. On the other, you
- 14:17have a geographical laziness or sheer panic that leaves the
- 14:20body practically on the victim's doorstep.
- 14:22Speaker 1: They just couldn't handle it anymore exactly.
- 14:25Speaker 2: This happens frequently when amateurs attempt to execute a complex plan.
- 14:29Adrenaline takes over. The intense fear of being pulled over
- 14:33by a cop while driving a car with a corpse
- 14:35in the back kicks in, and the primary goal shifts
- 14:39from hide the body perfectly to just get it out
- 14:42of the house right now.
- 14:43Speaker 1: So they likely drove just far enough away that the
- 14:47car wasn't sitting in their own.
- 14:48Speaker 2: Driveway, panicked, parked it poorly, and fled on foot back
- 14:53to the safety of the house.
- 14:54Speaker 1: And that proximity is exactly what damns them absolutely, because
- 14:58the physical evidence in the car proves the murder happened elsewhere,
- 15:01and because they parked it so close, investigators logically deduced
- 15:05they have to look incredibly close to home to find
- 15:08the primary crime scene.
- 15:09Speaker 2: Right, the focus sharply pivots back to the Lacey residents.
- 15:13Speaker 1: That they don't get there immediately, do they.
- 15:15Speaker 2: No, investigators have to sift through some incredibly distracting red
- 15:19herrings before they can definitively prove what happened inside those walls. Right.
- 15:22Speaker 1: The first major red herring is Paul's older cousin, David Walmack. Earlier,
- 15:27we talked about Paul's generosity, how he always wanted to
- 15:30provide for his family. David Walmack was a beneficiary of that.
- 15:34Speaker 2: He was he needed a place to stay. The rest
- 15:36of the family actually warned Paul against it, but Paul
- 15:39took him in any way and let him live with
- 15:40them for a few months.
- 15:41Speaker 1: But the arrangement deteriorated quickly, Right, very quickly.
- 15:44Speaker 2: Yeah. Stella tells police that David had severe anger issues.
- 15:48He was prone to rage, filled.
- 15:50Speaker 1: Arguments, and crucially he was known to keep guns around,
- 15:53which heavily contrasted with Paul's nonviolent, peaceful nature.
- 15:57Speaker 2: Right, Paul was not a physical fighter. He avoided confrontation.
- 16:00Speaker 1: And this all comes to a head on November three,
- 16:02exactly three weeks before Paul's body is found. Paul hits
- 16:06his limit. He kicks his older cousin out of the house.
- 16:09Speaker 2: And the reaction is explosive. David allegedly slashes the tires
- 16:13on Paul's cars in a fit of race.
- 16:15Speaker 1: Wait, he slashes his tires.
- 16:17Speaker 2: Yeah, And for law enforcement, an escalation of violence like
- 16:20that is a glowing neon sign. I bet you have
- 16:23a known suspect with a demonstrated history of rage, access
- 16:27to weapons, a very recent and severe grievance.
- 16:30Speaker 1: Against the victim, and a retaliatory act of property damage.
- 16:34Speaker 2: Exactly. Investigators will always look at the most recent interpersonal
- 16:37conflict first, of course, So they track Womack down for
- 16:41an interview, and.
- 16:42Speaker 1: He denies having anything to do with the disappearance or
- 16:44the murder.
- 16:45Speaker 2: He does. He claims he hadn't seen Paul in weeks. Yeah,
- 16:48And he definitively states he didn't see him on Thanksgiving Eve.
- 16:52Speaker 1: And he provides an alibi.
- 16:54Speaker 2: Yes, he claims he went hunting with his sons on
- 16:56Thanksgiving Day. Wow Okay, And this alibi is stensively corroborated
- 17:01by multiple friends and family members. As suspicious as the
- 17:04tire slashing incident made him look on paper, the timeline
- 17:08simply doesn't support him being the physical killer.
- 17:10Speaker 1: So the police are forced to clear him of the
- 17:12actual act of murder. They are with Womec's sideline. The
- 17:16detectives are back to looking at the house. They need
- 17:18to get inside, but getting a search warrant based purely
- 17:22on the empty stumming discrepancy and the geographic proximity of
- 17:25the car is a heavy legal lift and it takes time.
- 17:28Speaker 2: It does, so they ask.
- 17:31Speaker 1: They just ask.
- 17:31Speaker 2: Yep, They ask Stella and Ron Folner, the other cousin
- 17:36who is currently renting a room there, for consent to
- 17:39search the home.
- 17:39Speaker 1: And they both say yes.
- 17:41Speaker 2: Consenting to a search is a frequent tactic used by
- 17:43guilty parties to feign.
- 17:44Speaker 1: Innocence, really like a reverse psychology thing exactly.
- 17:49Speaker 2: The logic is a bit desperate. They think if I
- 17:51say no, I look guilty and they'll just come back
- 17:54with a warrant. Anyway, if I let them in, maybe
- 17:56they won't find anything and they'll trust me more.
- 17:59Speaker 1: Got it. So investigators swarm the house. They are upstairs, downstairs,
- 18:04checking bedrooms, looking for any sign of a struggle, cleaning chemicals,
- 18:08or the murder weapon.
- 18:09Speaker 2: And during this intense police search, one of the most
- 18:12surreal encounters occurs.
- 18:13Speaker 1: Oh man, this part is wild.
- 18:15Speaker 2: An investigator is standing in the kitchen, the back door
- 18:18opens and a man casually walks in without knocking.
- 18:22Speaker 1: The investigator assumes it's a family member.
- 18:24Speaker 2: Right yeah, But as Calvin Smith, the neighbor who lives
- 18:26kitty corner to the Laceys, the.
- 18:28Speaker 1: Same neighbor Stella mentioned, had stopped by to socialize on
- 18:32Thanksgiving Eve. And what Calvin does next is truly mind boggling.
- 18:36He walks right up to the kitchen counter, grabs the
- 18:39fully cooked Thanksgiving turkey, rips one of the legs off
- 18:43with his bare hands, and just starts eating it right
- 18:46there in front of the detective.
- 18:47Speaker 2: We really have to analyze the profound cognitive disconnect required
- 18:51for this action.
- 18:52Speaker 1: Seriously. I mean, a homicide investigation is underway in the
- 18:56home of your murdered neighbor, right the atmosphere is inherently tense,
- 19:01grief stricken and highly controlled by law.
- 19:03Speaker 2: Enforcement, and walking in uninvited and casually eating the victim's
- 19:07holiday meal is an act of bizarre transgression.
- 19:10Speaker 1: Yeah. The investigator asks who he is, and Calvin introduces himself.
- 19:13He says, yeah, this is really sad about what happened.
- 19:15Speaker 2: To Paul, and the investigator replies, yeah, but we'll get
- 19:18to the bottom of this.
- 19:19Speaker 1: And Kelvin, while chewing on the turkey leg, points a
- 19:23finger directly at the kitchen floor and says, the bottom
- 19:26starts right here.
- 19:27Speaker 2: It's unbelievable.
- 19:28Speaker 1: I struggle to understand the mechanics of his psychology. Here
- 19:31is he subconsciously confessing.
- 19:34Speaker 2: It's a phenomenon known as psychological leakage, which is driven
- 19:37by cognitive dissonance. Psychological leakage, Yeah, when someone is carrying
- 19:42an immense guilty secret, the psychological pressure built up, they
- 19:47often feel an overwhelming, almost subconscious urge to hint at their.
- 19:52Speaker 1: Knowledge like they want to be caught.
- 19:54Speaker 2: It's more of an urge to assert control or superiority
- 19:57in a chaotic environment by showing they know something the
- 20:00authorities don't. Oh wow, by pointing the floor and cryptically
- 20:06hinting that the bottom starts here. Calvin is feeding his
- 20:09own ego while completely failing to realize that to a
- 20:13trained investigator, this anomalous behavior makes him the prime suspect.
- 20:17Speaker 1: So what does the detective do.
- 20:19Speaker 2: The detective doesn't press him immediately, he doesn't want to
- 20:21spook him, but Calvin is instantly flagged.
- 20:25Speaker 1: I mean, as if Calvin's kitchen performance wasn't enough. Investigators
- 20:28get another piece of the puzzle that completely shatters the
- 20:31staged car scene.
- 20:32Speaker 2: They do.
- 20:32Speaker 1: An anonymous caller tips off the police with a mundane
- 20:35yet critical piece of medical information. Paul Lacey had terrible eyesight.
- 20:40He needed to wear his glasses all.
- 20:41Speaker 2: The time, and this is exactly why investigators canvas so
- 20:44heavily for mundane details. If Paul relied on his glasses
- 20:48just to see properly, he would never have driven his
- 20:51car without them, especially at night.
- 20:53Speaker 1: So the police realized they didn't find any glasses in
- 20:56that bolvo. They searched the car again, no glasses right,
- 21:00which definitively cements the theory Paul Lacey did not drive
- 21:04himself to that one away street. He was murdered in
- 21:07his home and driven there by someone else exactly.
- 21:10Speaker 2: The physical evidence, the empty stomach, the lack of glasses,
- 21:13the proximity of the car YEA, combined with the behavioral
- 21:16a nomalies of Stella's shifting timeline in Calvin's Turkey incident,
- 21:21gives the investigator's total clarity.
- 21:23Speaker 1: The murder happened in the house.
- 21:25Speaker 2: The murder happened in the house, and the three people
- 21:27who are in that house on Thanksgiving Eve are the
- 21:30keys to the entire conspiracy.
- 21:32Speaker 1: So the police decide it's time to stop asking polite
- 21:35questions and start applying pressure.
- 21:37Speaker 2: Yeah, they bring Stella, Calvin, and Ron Falner down to
- 21:39the station.
- 21:40Speaker 1: They aren't under formal arrest yet, but the police employ
- 21:43a very specific strategy regarding the physical architecture of the precinct.
- 21:47Speaker 2: They utilize a real world adaptation of the prisoner's dilemma.
- 21:51Speaker 1: Oh I've heard of this.
- 21:52Speaker 2: Yeah. They place all three individuals in adjacent interrogation rooms.
- 21:56When you are sitting in a small windowless room, you
- 22:00know your suspected co conspirators are in the rooms right
- 22:02next to you. The paranoia sets in.
- 22:05Speaker 1: Instantly because you can't hear what they're saying.
- 22:07Speaker 2: Exactly. Game theory dictates that human beings, when isolated and
- 22:12facing severe consequences, will often betray their partners to minimize
- 22:17their own punishment.
- 22:18Speaker 1: You are left agonizing over who is going to break
- 22:20first and point the finger.
- 22:22Speaker 2: At you, and the pressure cooker works. They start with Stella.
- 22:25The investigator notes her demeanor has completely shifted.
- 22:28Speaker 1: She is visibly nervous very under.
- 22:32Speaker 2: That pressure, the facade of the perfect marriage she sold
- 22:35to the patrol officer completely evaporates.
- 22:38Speaker 1: Yeah, she admits the marriage was failing. She brings up
- 22:40the financial issues again, but this time with actual context.
- 22:45She admits they had filed for Chapter thirteen bankruptcy. Right,
- 22:48let's break down Chapter thirteen bankruptcy because it explains the
- 22:51extreme financial pressure she was under. Chapter thirteen isn't the
- 22:54liquidation where your debts are just wiped out. It's a
- 22:57way Journer's plan.
- 22:59Speaker 2: Exactly after thirteen bankruptcy, you are reorganizing your debt. The
- 23:03court allows you to keep your major assets like the
- 23:06house and the cars, but in exchange, you are put
- 23:09on a strict court mandated repayment plan that lasts three
- 23:13to five years.
- 23:14Speaker 1: So they are watching every penny.
- 23:16Speaker 2: It means every spare dollar of your income is monitored
- 23:20and goes toward paying off creditors. It protects the physical house,
- 23:24which Stella desperately wanted to keep, but it creates immense,
- 23:27suffocating pressure on day to day cash flow.
- 23:30Speaker 1: She also claims Paul was demanding physical intimacy that she
- 23:33continually rejected. Right, but the absolute core motive drops when
- 23:37she admits to a year long affair, and not just
- 23:39with anyone, with Ron Fallner, the cousin living in their house.
- 23:44Speaker 2: The layers of betrayal are staggering.
- 23:45Speaker 1: It's wild.
- 23:46Speaker 2: She tells the police that Ron was a breath of
- 23:48fresh air, someone who listened to her, who helped with chores.
- 23:51Speaker 1: And the detail that truly underscores the coldness of this
- 23:57she admits that Thanksgiving Day, the day she called the
- 23:59police to report her husband missing, was actually her in
- 24:02Ron's one year anniversary.
- 24:04Speaker 2: It really paints a dark picture.
- 24:06Speaker 1: Along with the affair, the financial motive comes into full focus.
- 24:10The police ask about insurance and Stella admits Paul had
- 24:13two life insurance policies totaling fifty thousand dollars. So now
- 24:18the police have a love triangle. A woman trapped in
- 24:21a chapter thirteen repayment plan, who sees a fifty thousand
- 24:24dollars way out and a crumbling alibi.
- 24:26Speaker 2: And knowing she's backed into a corner, Stella offers what
- 24:30investigators call a partial confession.
- 24:32Speaker 1: What does that mean exactly?
- 24:33Speaker 2: It's a fascinating psychological defense mechanism. When a suspect realizes
- 24:37the outright lie is dead, they will admit to a
- 24:40portion of the truth, but strategically frame it to minimize
- 24:44their own physical culpability.
- 24:45Speaker 1: Oh I see.
- 24:46Speaker 2: She tells the police that she and Ron used to
- 24:48fantasize about getting rid of Paul, but she insists she
- 24:51never thought it was serious.
- 24:52Speaker 1: According to her news story, on Thanksgiving Eve, she rejected
- 24:56Paul's advances and they were in bed, and then Ron
- 25:00yelled up the stairs, claiming Paul had a phone call.
- 25:04Speaker 2: Notice the deliberate distancing. Yeah, She places herself upstairs away
- 25:08from the action. Paul goes downstairs. A few minutes later,
- 25:12Ron comes up and asks her to come down.
- 25:14Speaker 1: She claims she walked into Ron's bedroom and saw Paul
- 25:16lying face down with a pink blanket over his head,
- 25:20and in the room are Ron and Calvin Smith.
- 25:23Speaker 2: She claims she stood there staring until it dawned on
- 25:26her that Paul was dead.
- 25:27Speaker 1: Then she admits to the cleanup. She says she stayed
- 25:29behind to clean the house while the men moved the body.
- 25:32Speaker 2: But the detail that absolutely haunts me is her admission
- 25:35that she went back upstairs, got Paul's shoes, pants, shirt, belt,
- 25:40and pager, and the three of them dressed his dead
- 25:42body to stage the robbery. That is just wow. The
- 25:45physical pragmatism of that act is chilling. Yeah, Dressing a
- 25:49deceased human being is incredibly difficult. After death, the body
- 25:52quickly becomes dead weight and eventually rigor mortis sets in,
- 25:55stiffening the joint.
- 25:56Speaker 1: You have to really work at it.
- 25:57Speaker 2: Manipulating a lifeless adult's limb to put jeenes in a
- 26:01belt on them just to sell a fake narrative to
- 26:04the police requires a level of emotional detachment that is
- 26:07hard to comprehend.
- 26:09Speaker 1: And she also admits she ordered Calvin to flush the
- 26:12murder weapon the rope down the toilet. Right, Stella's logic
- 26:15here is absurd. Though she admits to fantasizing about the murder,
- 26:19she admits to the year long affair she admits to
- 26:21the fifty thousand dollars insurance motive yep. And she admits
- 26:26to actively participating in dressing the corpse and destroying evidence.
- 26:30Speaker 2: Yeah, but she.
- 26:30Speaker 1: Wants the police to believe that the actual strangulation was
- 26:34just a spontaneous surprise by her boyfriend.
- 26:36Speaker 2: That's her story.
- 26:37Speaker 1: It's like admitting you drew the blueprints for the bank robbery,
- 26:40drove the getaway car, and split the cash, but claiming
- 26:43you were absolutely shocked when the vault actually blew open.
- 26:47Speaker 2: It doesn't make logical sense, but in her legal calculus,
- 26:49it's the difference between being charged as an accessory after
- 26:53the fact and being charged with first degree murder.
- 26:55Speaker 1: Oh right, because she didn't physically do it.
- 26:58Speaker 2: She is trying to insulate her from the physical act
- 27:01of violence. She is pointing the fingers squarely at Ron
- 27:04and Calvin as the actual killers, which.
- 27:06Speaker 1: Means the investigators now have to get Ron and Calvin
- 27:09to confirm they committed the murder exactly, and to do
- 27:13that they pull off one of the most incredibly creative,
- 27:16almost unbelievable bluffs in law enforcement history.
- 27:19Speaker 2: It really is. While Stella is spending this partial truth,
- 27:23investigators are in the other rooms with the men.
- 27:25Speaker 1: And Calvin, true to form, is denying absolutely everything. He
- 27:28denies any involvement whatsoever.
- 27:30Speaker 2: He does. So an investigator decides to try a different
- 27:33tactic with Calvin. He walks in and asks a very
- 27:36simple question. He says, did you put your hands on
- 27:38the rope?
- 27:39Speaker 1: And Kalen says no.
- 27:40Speaker 2: The investigator says, Calvin, do you know what a rope
- 27:42is made of. It's made of fibers, and if you
- 27:45pull a rope hard enough to strangle a man, those
- 27:47microscopic fibers become deeply embedded in the skin of your.
- 27:51Speaker 1: Hands, which sounds incredibly plausible to a layman.
- 27:55Speaker 2: It relies on a pre television version of the CSI effect, right,
- 27:59the inherent public belief that police possess magical, infallible forensic technology.
- 28:05The investigator tells Calvin that the Schenectady Police Department has
- 28:08just purchased a state of the art fiber detection instrument.
- 28:12Speaker 1: And remember this is nineteen ninety five. Technology is advancing
- 28:16rapidly in the public consciousness exactly. The investigator takes Calvin
- 28:20out of the interrogation room and walks him down the
- 28:22hall to the administrative office, and sitting there is a
- 28:26brand new large office copy machine.
- 28:29Speaker 2: A standard everyday photocopsy.
- 28:31Speaker 1: Standard photocopier. The investigator lifts the lid of the copier,
- 28:35tells Calvin to place his hands on the glass and
- 28:38says they are going to hit the detection button to
- 28:40scan his skin for rope fibers.
- 28:42Speaker 2: It's brilliant.
- 28:43Speaker 1: Calvin puts his hands down, the investigator hits the copy button.
- 28:47That massive, bright halogen light flashes across the glass, and
- 28:52Calvin physically recoils.
- 28:54Speaker 2: He pulls his hands away, terrified of what the machine
- 28:56just saw.
- 28:56Speaker 1: Standing next to a Xerox machine, the psychological weight of
- 28:59the deception and collapses. Calvin breaks. He says, all right,
- 29:02I did it. I strangled Paul. I am mind blown
- 29:05by this. A fake machine with a flashing light and
- 29:09it worked flawlessly.
- 29:11Speaker 2: How does someone fall for this? Is it just ignorance
- 29:14of technology or is there a deeper psychological mechanism at play.
- 29:18Speaker 1: It's heavily rooted in cognitive load.
- 29:21Speaker 2: Cognitive load, Yes.
- 29:22Speaker 1: Maintaining a complex lie during a homicide interrogation requires a
- 29:26massive amount of brain power. Your brain is constantly working
- 29:30overtime to keep the story straight, anticipate the detective's questions
- 29:34and suppress intense guilt or fear.
- 29:36Speaker 2: That makes sense, You're just exhausted.
- 29:38Speaker 1: If you think about a time you are caught in
- 29:40a lie, your brain is racing. When the investigator introduces
- 29:44physical scientific proof, the flashing light of the copier, it
- 29:48acts as a circuit breaker. Oh wow, Calvin's overloaded brain
- 29:51essentially concludes I'm caught. The machine knows there is no
- 29:55point in carrying this massive cognitive weight anymore.
- 29:57Speaker 2: So it's almost a relief.
- 29:59Speaker 1: The relief of conf fashion, even to a horrific crime,
- 30:02often outweighs the agonizing stress of maintaining the deception.
- 30:05Speaker 2: We need to touch on the legality of this though.
- 30:07Can police just lie to you about a magical copy machine?
- 30:10Speaker 1: Yes, they can really.
- 30:12Speaker 2: Under the legal precedent set by cases like Fraser v.
- 30:15Cup In the United States, police are generally allowed to
- 30:17use deception during an interrogation. Wow, okay, they can lie
- 30:21about having your fingerprints at the scene, having an eyewitness,
- 30:25or in this case, a fiber detection machine.
- 30:26Speaker 1: Is there any limit to that?
- 30:28Speaker 2: The legal boundary is that the deception cannot be so
- 30:31coercive that it would force an innocent person to confess
- 30:35to a crime they didn't commit. Right, Tricking Calvin into
- 30:39thinking a copier was scanning his hands did not violate
- 30:42his due process because an innocent person who had never
- 30:45touched a murder weapon wouldn't fear the machine finding rope fibers.
- 30:49Speaker 1: That is fascinating. So Calvin breaks and he details the
- 30:53brutal reality of the murder he does. Calvin admits that
- 30:56Ron called Paul downstairs. Calvin hid behind the bedroom door
- 31:00with the rope. As Paul walked in, Calvin threw the
- 31:04rope around Paul's neck twice and just pulled as hard
- 31:06as he could for a couple of minutes.
- 31:07Speaker 2: And the physical reality of this is deeply disturbing. Calvin
- 31:11was a big guy, but Paul was fighting for his life.
- 31:13So Ron Falner, Paul's own cousin, the man having an
- 31:17affair with his wife, physically jumped onto Pole's back to
- 31:21add more weight and leverage to the strangulation, forcing him
- 31:24to the ground.
- 31:25Speaker 1: The detail that truly turns my stomach is what happens
- 31:28as Paul is dying.
- 31:30Speaker 2: Yeah, it's awful.
- 31:31Speaker 1: According to the confession, as the life is leaving Paul's body.
- 31:35Ron leans forward, kisses Paul on the forehead, and says,
- 31:38I'm sorry, but everyone can now be at peace.
- 31:41Speaker 2: It is a profound narcissistic manipulation of reality.
- 31:45Speaker 1: It really is.
- 31:47Speaker 2: Ron is violently murdering his cousin to steal his wife
- 31:50in his insurance money, yet he frames it in this twisted,
- 31:53almost merciful light.
- 31:55Speaker 1: Like he's doing him a favor.
- 31:56Speaker 2: It highlights the deep justification often present in these intimate consperss.
- 32:00They convinced themselves that tall, the man providing the roof
- 32:04over their heads, was the obstacle to their happiness.
- 32:07Speaker 1: And that killing him was somehow restoring order exactly, and
- 32:10Calvin's motivation for participating in this intimate family execution, Stella
- 32:15promised him one hundred dollars up front and a cut
- 32:17of the fifty thousand dollars life insurance payout one hundred
- 32:20dollars one hundred dollars, and he also took the three
- 32:23rings off Paul's fingers before they dumped the body, thinking
- 32:27he'd score a big payday. He ended up selling them
- 32:30for a measly forty dollars.
- 32:32Speaker 2: A human life extinguished for pocket change and empty promises
- 32:36from a manipulative mastermind. Yeah, Calvin's confession makes clear that
- 32:40Stella was not an innocent bystander waiting upstairs. Right. Calvin
- 32:45states unequivocally that Stella was the one who promised him
- 32:48the money, and Stella was the one who commanded them
- 32:50to make it look like a robbery to protect yourself.
- 32:53Speaker 1: When they questioned Ron, he confesses too.
- 32:55Speaker 2: He does. His motive was entirely wrapped up in his
- 32:59love for Stella. He wanted to end what he viewed
- 33:01as a toxic marriage so they could be together.
- 33:04Speaker 1: So three days after Paul's body is found, Stella, Ron,
- 33:07and Calvin are all arrested and charged with murder, tampering
- 33:10with evidence, and conspiracy.
- 33:11Speaker 2: YEP investigators firmly believe they have unraveled the whole thread.
- 33:15Speaker 1: They view Stella as the driving force.
- 33:17Speaker 2: The puppet master who manipulated a love sick cousin and
- 33:20a greedy neighbor into executing her husband so she could
- 33:24collect the insurance and solve her Chapter thirteen bankruptcy issues
- 33:28without losing her home.
- 33:29Speaker 1: It seems like an open and shutcase. You have full
- 33:31confessions from the men, a partial confession from Stella the
- 33:35physical evidence, the timeline, but the.
- 33:38Speaker 2: Justice system is rarely that simple.
- 33:40Speaker 1: Tell me about it.
- 33:41Speaker 2: Because of the severity of the crime, both Ron and
- 33:44Calvin were initially facing the potential of the death penalty.
- 33:48Speaker 1: Wow.
- 33:48Speaker 2: To save their own lives, their attorneys advise them to
- 33:51take plea deals. Calvin pleads guilty to first degree murder
- 33:55and is sentenced to twenty five years to life.
- 33:58Speaker 1: Okay.
- 33:58Speaker 2: Ron pleads guilty to second degree and receives the same
- 34:01sentence twenty five years to life.
- 34:03Speaker 1: As part of Calvin's plea agreement, he is required to
- 34:06testify against Stella at her trial, right, but prosecutors do
- 34:09not require Ron to testify. Why because Ron was still
- 34:13so deeply in love with Stella that he outright refused
- 34:16to ever harm her on the stand. It's crazy, even
- 34:18after she manipulated him into committing murder and going to
- 34:21prison for life, he protected her.
- 34:23Speaker 2: Which leaves the prosecution relying heavily on Calvin's testimony when
- 34:27Stella's trial begins in August of nineteen ninety six.
- 34:31Speaker 1: Right.
- 34:31Speaker 2: The sources note that Stella's demeanor throughout the trial was
- 34:34incredibly cold and stone faced.
- 34:37Speaker 1: And her defense team stuck to the narrative she seated
- 34:41in her interrogation really.
- 34:42Speaker 2: Yeah, that she did not participate in the planning or
- 34:44execution of the murder. She only became aware of it
- 34:47after the fact and only helped dispose of the body
- 34:50out of fear.
- 34:51Speaker 1: But Calvin gets on the stand and testifies otherwise. He
- 34:55tells the jury that Stella planned it, that she wanted
- 34:58it to look like a robbery, and the she wanted
- 35:00it done before the holidays.
- 35:02Speaker 2: But the prosecution knows they need more than just the
- 35:05word of an admitted murderer trying.
- 35:07Speaker 1: To save himself, so they bring back a ghost from
- 35:09the beginning of the investigation, David Walmack.
- 35:12Speaker 2: The older cousin who had his tires slashed and was
- 35:14kicked out by Paul three weeks before the murder.
- 35:16Speaker 1: Exactly Walmac takes the stand and drops a bombshell. He
- 35:20testifies that Stella had approached him prior to the murder
- 35:23and offered him ten thousand dollars to kill Paul.
- 35:25Speaker 2: Now, this is exactly what the prosecution needs, proof of
- 35:30premeditation and mastermind intent by Stella before she ever turned
- 35:34to Ron and Calvin.
- 35:36Speaker 1: On paper, it's the smoking gun, but.
- 35:38Speaker 2: In a courtroom, evidence is only as good as the
- 35:41credibility of the witness delivering it.
- 35:43Speaker 1: Right, and David Walmack's credibility was completely destroyed on cross examination.
- 35:47Speaker 2: Defense attorneys are exceptionally skilled at finding the gaps in
- 35:52a witness's timeline.
- 35:53Speaker 1: Yeah, they highlighted the fact that Walmack had never reported
- 35:57this alleged ten thousand dollars offered to the police during
- 36:00his initial interviews when he was being investigated for the
- 36:03tire slashing.
- 36:03Speaker 2: He only brought it up much later.
- 36:05Speaker 1: The defense easily paints it as sour grapes. He was
- 36:08kicked out by Paul, he hated the family, and now
- 36:10he's making up a story to insert himself and doom
- 36:13Stella out of spite.
- 36:14Speaker 2: And the jury looks at Womack, looks at his own
- 36:18missions and decides he is completely uncredible. They disregard his
- 36:22testimony entirely.
- 36:23Speaker 1: Which is huge.
- 36:24Speaker 2: This illustrates why proving mastermind culpability is so extraordinarily difficult. Yeah,
- 36:29explain that under New York law, to convict someone of
- 36:32first degree murder as an accomplice, the prosecution has to
- 36:35prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the defendant shared the
- 36:39exact same.
- 36:40Speaker 1: Mensrea mensrea being the mental intent to kill.
- 36:43Speaker 2: Right, and that they actively solicited, requested, or commanded the
- 36:47act okay. Without Walmack's testimony establishing prior intent, the jury
- 36:53is left with a he said, she said between Stella
- 36:55and Calvin. There is no physical evidence tying Stella to
- 37:00the rope.
- 37:00Speaker 1: She didn't pull it, she didn't jump on Paul's back exactly,
- 37:03and because of that lingering reasonable doubt regarding her active
- 37:06participation in the physical murder, the jury delivers a verdict
- 37:10that absolutely devastates Paul's family.
- 37:13Speaker 2: It's heart breaking.
- 37:14Speaker 1: Stella Lacey is found not guilty of first degree murder.
- 37:16Speaker 2: She is convicted only of lesser charges criminally negligent homicide,
- 37:21tampering with evidence and hindering prosecution.
- 37:23Speaker 1: Criminally negligent homicide.
- 37:25Speaker 2: Yeah, which essentially means a jury believe she failed to
- 37:27perceive a substantial and unjustifiable risk that death.
- 37:30Speaker 1: Would occur, so they bought her story.
- 37:33Speaker 2: They essentially believed her narrative that she was negligent in
- 37:36allowing the toxic environment to fester and she helped clean
- 37:39it up. But the prosecution couldn't definitively prove she ordered the.
- 37:43Speaker 1: Hit, and the sentencing reflects this massive downgrade. While Ron
- 37:48and Calvin get twenty five years to life, Stella receives
- 37:51a sentence of ten to thirty two years in state prison.
- 37:55Speaker 2: It's a stark contrast.
- 37:56Speaker 1: This feels like penalizing the hit man but letting the
- 37:59mob boss plead down to his zoning violation.
- 38:02Speaker 2: It is a tragic irony of the legal system. Yeah,
- 38:04the justice system is built heavily on physical causality. A shoots, BC, stabs.
- 38:09Speaker 1: D right direct action.
- 38:11Speaker 2: When you introduce psychological manipulation like E convinces F to
- 38:15strangle G, the chain of causality becomes muddy. Juries want certainty,
- 38:19and psychological coercion rarely leaves a forensic footprint you can
- 38:23put under a microscope. Those who are cold and calculate
- 38:26enough to delegate violence often face later consequences than the
- 38:30blunt instruments they wielded man.
- 38:31Speaker 1: The family felt that failure intimately. Paul's sister said, the
- 38:35justice system failed them. They knew Stella was the puppet master,
- 38:39the one who orchestrated this betrayal for a fifty thousand
- 38:42dollars insurance policy and a house she didn't want to
- 38:45lose in a chapter thirteen bankruptcy, and yet she got
- 38:48a break.
- 38:49Speaker 2: But despite the legal outcome, the family works incredibly hard
- 38:54to ensure that Stella does not define Paul's legacy.
- 38:57Speaker 1: Yeah, thirty years later, they still talk about his effects,
- 39:00xious smile, his unlimited generosity, and the way he made
- 39:03everyone around him feel safe.
- 39:05Speaker 2: He succeeded in his life's skull. He was the loving,
- 39:08stand up guy he set out to be.
- 39:10Speaker 1: Which brings us to the end of this deep dive
- 39:12and to a final provocative thought that I cannot shake
- 39:15after reading these files.
- 39:17Speaker 2: What is it?
- 39:17Speaker 1: Well, it circles back to the very foundation of this tragedy.
- 39:20We spend so much of our lives trying to build security.
- 39:23Speaker 2: We do.
- 39:24Speaker 1: We buy the house, we put in the pool, we
- 39:26meticulously manage our retirement accounts, We lock our doors at night,
- 39:29we install alarm systems, and we constantly worry about the
- 39:32threat lurking in the dark outside our walls. We are
- 39:35so focused on protecting our fortress from the outside world.
- 39:39But the terrifying lesson embedded in the murder of Paul
- 39:42Lacey is a question of proximity. What happens when the
- 39:46greatest threat to your safety, the most lethal danger you
- 39:49will ever face, isn't someone breaking a window to get in,
- 39:53but the people sitting at your dinner table, the people
- 39:56who already have the keys.
- 39:57Speaker 2: Yeah.
- 39:57Speaker 1: Thank you for joining us as we unpack the files
- 40:00in this complex, deeply unsettling case. We appreciate you taking
- 40:03this journey with us, and we'll be back with another
- 40:05deep dive into the sources soon. Take care,