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Saints To Spencer Rattler vs. Green Bay Packers | Is Derek Carr's Time In New Orleans Finished? · AFR Saints

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  Speaker 1: the Saints we really got underway. Of course, they played
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  Speaker 1: Monday night football, so the schedules all bumped back a day.
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  Speaker 1: They were back on the practice field, there was media availability.
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  Speaker 1: The first injury report came out. Derek Carr obviously a
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  Speaker 1: DNP for New Orleans, but Darren Rizzy did make it
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  Speaker 1: official that if Carr isn't able to go, which at
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  Speaker 1: this point feels like a long shot, that it's gonna
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  Speaker 1: be what we all think it would be.
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  Speaker 2: Derek's unable to play this week. Spencer Ratler will be
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  Speaker 2: the starting quarterback for US. Obviously, he gave us a
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  Speaker 2: spark this past game in second half, had a real
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  Speaker 2: good practice day to day, so that's where we are
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  Speaker 2: with him.
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  Speaker 1: So the other big question, and that's no surprise, right.
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  Speaker 1: We all saw Ratler play great. He started three times
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  Speaker 1: earlier in the year when Car was out. We saw
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  Speaker 1: Jake Caynder get his opportunity and it was all time atrocious.
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  Speaker 1: Rattler came in, led four score and drives in the
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  Speaker 1: second half. He's clearly higher ceiling. He's the better physical talent,
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  Speaker 1: he's got all the things we've talked about, and he's
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  Speaker 1: got more experience now. So yes, it's the right decision.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think either of these guys will have a
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  Speaker 1: lick of success on Monday night football in twenty degree
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  Speaker 1: weather in snow at Lambeau, but someone's got to start.
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  Speaker 1: I'd rather go get Spencer Ratler all these reps now.
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  Speaker 1: Rizzy was asked though, so this week, what does Car
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  Speaker 1: have to do or prove to be able to play?
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  Speaker 2: All The good news is he had a really good
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  Speaker 2: day today. I think he's got to put a couple
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  Speaker 2: of good days in a row tomorrow or in a
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  Speaker 2: couple good days in a row. As I said, you
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  Speaker 2: guys need to be any week. With the extra day,
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  Speaker 2: we were kind of hoping that that he would gives
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  Speaker 2: some significant improvement. I would say he's gonna have to
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  Speaker 2: you know, by Saturday, probably have to get a practice
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  Speaker 2: in in order to do that. It's been significant time
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  Speaker 2: now he's been down. Want to see him get out
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  Speaker 2: there and practice and go through all the functions, like
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  Speaker 2: I said before, as a quarterback. So but again when
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  Speaker 2: I tell you you guys asked me the other day
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  Speaker 2: or somebody asked me if it was a reach that
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  Speaker 2: he was going to play again the season, and by
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  Speaker 2: no means is it a reach that he'll be back
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  Speaker 2: out there at some point?
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so there's some conflict there, Darren. Rizzy continues to
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  Speaker 1: double down saying it's not a reach. But we continue
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  Speaker 1: to see these reports come out that the report Monday
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  Speaker 1: was from Rappaport that Derek Carr is still a couple
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  Speaker 1: of weeks away from testing contact and if that's the case,
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  Speaker 1: that's the end of the season. So it's it remains
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  Speaker 1: unlikely to see that he would get out there and play.
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  Speaker 1: But Rizzy continues to double down on this.
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  Speaker 2: I have had multiple conversations with Derek. Apparently there's been
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  Speaker 2: a bunch of things written the last few days. Here's
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  Speaker 2: a situation with Derek. Derek Carr wants to play this season.
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  Speaker 2: There's absolutely zero doubt about that. He's doing in here
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  Speaker 2: every day, doing everything that he possibly can from a
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  Speaker 2: rehab standpoint to get himself back on the field. He
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  Speaker 2: had actually his best day today. I appreciate and respect
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  Speaker 2: the fact that he wants to come back and play,
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  Speaker 2: and so therefore that that's why this thing's day to day.
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  Speaker 2: We're not going to put him in harm's way. We're
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  Speaker 2: gonna make sure that he's able to go out there
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  Speaker 2: and function. That's really what it comes down to right now.
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  Speaker 2: When he can fully function and go out there and
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  Speaker 2: function all the duties as a quarterback, he'll be back
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  Speaker 2: on the field. But apparently there was some you know,
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  Speaker 2: reports out there about him being done for the season
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  Speaker 2: and things like that. If he was done for the season,
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  Speaker 2: we would have put him on IR by now and
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  Speaker 2: we would have shut him down. That's just not the case.
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  Speaker 1: I think that makes sense. I also, you also have
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  Speaker 1: to have a reason to put him on IR and
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  Speaker 1: maybe Clyde Edwards ze Layer could be that reason. If
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  Speaker 1: Clyde's gonna play Monday, you gotta sign him the active
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  Speaker 1: roster means someone has to be cut, waved or moved
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  Speaker 1: to IR. I mean, you have to make a roster spot.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe that's Derek Carr, maybe not. And I can understand
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  Speaker 1: from Darren Rizzey's perspective, he's trying to win this job
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  Speaker 1: full time. Derek Carr gives him the best opportunity that
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  Speaker 1: so I get it. One more though about the quarterbacks.
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  Speaker 1: I do want to talk about Carr's future in New
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  Speaker 1: Orleans in the second year because Dan Grasiano over at
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  Speaker 1: ESPN wrote something interesting about the Saints potentially moving on
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  Speaker 1: from Derek Harr after the season, which I don't think
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  Speaker 1: is realistic. But I'll share what Grez had to say
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  Speaker 1: here in just a second. But you know, Rizzy was
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  Speaker 1: asked about the three starts that Rattler had early in
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  Speaker 1: the season and how much he learned from that, how
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  Speaker 1: much he can improve.
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  Speaker 2: I think he learned a lot of things. The thing
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  Speaker 2: that probably impressed me the most of that whole performance,
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  Speaker 2: said there was probably that two minute drill. I really
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  Speaker 2: liked how he under the pressure he performed and I
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  Speaker 2: didn't see a sense of panic at all. I think
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  Speaker 2: I thought the last time the last three games he
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  Speaker 2: was out there, like any rookie quarterback, there was a
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  Speaker 2: little bit of you know, sometimes he looked a little panicky.
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  Speaker 2: I saw him much more relaxed. I saw him much
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  Speaker 2: more in control. I saw a lot more leadership out
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  Speaker 2: of him. And so that that was the impressive part. Now,
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  Speaker 2: you know, maybe coming off the bench with nothing to lose,
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  Speaker 2: you know, kind of running around and gunsling. But that's
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  Speaker 2: kind of that's kind of been his thing, right, That's
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  Speaker 2: that's what's made him the guy that he is. It's
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  Speaker 2: kind of been his mo o, his old his whole
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  Speaker 2: his whole career. So hopefully now you know, when he knows,
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  Speaker 2: he's preparing today. So he took the reps, all the
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  Speaker 2: reps today with the ones, and we're going to kind
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  Speaker 2: of get him ready to go. If Derek camp.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think we see Derek Carr again the rest
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  Speaker 1: of this year. That's totally speculative on my part. His
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  Speaker 1: hands fractured in two places. He's a quarterback. You have
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  Speaker 1: to be able to squeeze the ball, hold the ball
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  Speaker 1: through contact. I don't know how that's possible. You want
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  Speaker 1: to numb his hand, fine, you have the same issue.
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  Speaker 1: So he won't be a feel pain. He also won't
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  Speaker 1: feel the ball. I could totally understand Derek Carr wanting
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  Speaker 1: to play next week against his former team, the Raiders.
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  Speaker 1: I just don't. It just doesn't feel realistic to have
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  Speaker 1: a quarterback with a broken hand out there playing. Totally
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  Speaker 1: speculative on my part. It also doesn't feel realistic that
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  Speaker 1: the Saints would move on from Derek Carr after this
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  Speaker 1: year because of the massive dead cap number that they
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  Speaker 1: would have that they would have to own with Derek
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  Speaker 1: Carr if they were to trade or cut him. Plus,
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  Speaker 1: Derek Carr has a no trade clause in his contract,
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  Speaker 1: so that makes that even more more complicated. But Dan
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  Speaker 1: Graziano over at ESPN kind of broke down some of
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  Speaker 1: the considerations for the Saints when it could become could
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  Speaker 1: be with Derek Carr and all this I think is
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  Speaker 1: contingent on Spencer Ratler playing well. If Ratler starts the
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  Speaker 1: next three games and plays very well, then I think
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  Speaker 1: all of this becomes more of a of a realistic consideration.
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  Speaker 1: But Graziano wrote, cars under contract for forty million dollars
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  Speaker 1: in twenty twenty five. Of that ten million is a
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  Speaker 1: roster bony. That's roster bonus that's already fully guaranteed and
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  Speaker 1: will pay out in March no matter what. The remaining
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  Speaker 1: thirty million becomes guaranteed against injury and is fully guaranteed
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  Speaker 1: at the start of the new league year in March,
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  Speaker 1: So if the Saints want to move on from car
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  Speaker 1: after the season, they'd have to release him before the
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  Speaker 1: thirty million becomes fully guaranteed, and again that solidifies on
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  Speaker 1: the third day of the league year on March fourteenth.
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  Speaker 1: Hard to imagine a team trading for Derek Carr, like, remember,
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  Speaker 1: you're not just trading for the player or trade of
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  Speaker 1: the contract. Why would a team give you an asset
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  Speaker 1: to take on this awful contract for an aging player
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  Speaker 1: that's a bottom middle tier to upper lower tier quarterback.
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  Speaker 1: Carr would also have to waive his no trade clause,
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  Speaker 1: and there's not really a lot of reason for him
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  Speaker 1: to do that. So for the Saints to save money,
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  Speaker 1: he would have to be designated as a post June
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  Speaker 1: one release, and they could save thirty million dollars by
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  Speaker 1: deferring his salary to twenty twenty six. So that helps
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  Speaker 1: you this year, but again you're still gonna have a
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  Speaker 1: massive number for Derek Carr that follows you around, and
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  Speaker 1: then you look at twenty twenty five, the Saints are
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  Speaker 1: already about sixty three million dollars over the cap for
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  Speaker 1: twenty twenty five. I look, if you had a team
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  Speaker 1: that was willing to do a deal to trade for
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  Speaker 1: Derek Carr, that would be awesome. I just don't think
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  Speaker 1: that's realistic. And I also don't think it's realistic that
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  Speaker 1: the Saints are gonna eat fifty million dollars in day
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  Speaker 1: cap money to not have Derek Carr on the team.
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  Speaker 1: What is more likely, more plausible is that cars around
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  Speaker 1: for next year. Hopefully Spencer Rattler plays really well over
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  Speaker 1: these next three games and can be your guy next year.
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  Speaker 1: Derek Carr is just a really expensive backup in the league,
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  Speaker 1: and then you just figure it out after that, You
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  Speaker 1: release him after twenty twenty five, and you figure out
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  Speaker 1: what your long term future is going to be. But
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  Speaker 1: it makes it much easier when you have a starting
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  Speaker 1: quarterback on a rookie contract. What you cannot do is
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  Speaker 1: continue to perpetuate these awful fiscal habits and practices of
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  Speaker 1: kicking the can down the road, which everybody says, you
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  Speaker 1: can't continue to perpetuate that, because you're never going to
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  Speaker 1: get out of this situation if you keep doing that.
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  Speaker 1: So the best thing to do, yes, if someone wants
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  Speaker 1: to trade for Derek Carr, awesome, I just don't see
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  Speaker 1: somebody willingly giving you top dollar for your old JALOPI.
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  Speaker 1: That's just not realistic in life. So I mean, ask
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  Speaker 1: yourself that if Derek Carr were on another team, would
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  Speaker 1: you want your team to trade for Derek Carr and
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  Speaker 1: his contract? Of course not so unless if someone's gonna
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  Speaker 1: give you an asset to take on Derek Carr in
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  Speaker 1: his awful contract, which would be awesome, but that's not
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  Speaker 1: gonna happen. You Grinn and Barrett for another year with
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  Speaker 1: Derek Carr, and you find your future in twenty twenty six.
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  Speaker 1: The possibilities, and I could certainly appreciate Dan Graziano trying
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  Speaker 1: to explore them, I just don't think any of them
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  Speaker 1: are realistic.