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Erasing Our God Gene: Is THIS Big Pharma's Dark Agenda? w/ Tom Renz · Man in America Podcast

• 0:14
  Seth Holehouse: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to Man in America. I'm your host, Holehouse. As we explore the depths of evil that we're up against in this world, especially when it comes to medical tyranny and a very corrupted medical industrial, complex. One of the frightening prospects is, which I'll be discussing, in today's show with my good friend, attorney Tom Rens, is are there medications and treatments and, substances that are be being given to people across America that are intentionally turning people away from God? And it's kind of a strange concept, but what we'll be looking at today is that there are specific medications that work on a gene level with our bodies that actually can manipulate and block what they call the God gene.
• 1:05
  And there's a lot of folks that believe that it's the gene that connects our human body to our soul and therefore to god. There's also been a lot of reports of people, especially after the COVID jabs, talking about how they've felt the sense of god being removed from them, and that they can no longer feel that presence anymore. So we're gonna be exploring this. This is gonna be a very, heady, interview, which is my favorite kind of interview, but very heartfelt. So, folks, please enjoy this interview with attorney Tom Rens.
• 1:34
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• 2:22
  Again, that's here.com/seth,seth. Mister Tom Rinz, it is always a pleasure and an honor to have you on the show. Thank you so much for taking time out of your very busy schedule to to speak with me today.
• 2:38
  Tom Renz: Seth, I love coming on this show. It's one of my favorite shows, and I'm always honored to be here.
• 2:42
  Seth Holehouse: Oh, thank you very much for those kind words. So I didn't come in into this with any particular agenda in terms of topics because I find that oftentimes, sitting down with you and just say, okay, what's on your mind right now? Like, what are you focused on leads to the most genuine and sincere discussions that we get ourselves into? And so that's my question for you. Like, what you know, as we're approaching the election, there's increasing chaos.
• 3:08
  There's you know, I know you're in Ohio. Ohio's under attack by, you know, duck eating, you know, Haitians. I mean, so, you know, where where are you at right now in this in this battle?
• 3:20
  Tom Renz: You know, it's it's all hands on deck. I'm doing everything that I can. You know, I'm fighting as hard as I can as I always have. You know? And you know, Seth, I mean, we're friends, so, you know, my wife's fighting stage four cancer.
• 3:32
  And we've chosen as a family to, you know, to really try and keep focused on the fight as much as possible as she's fighting that because, you know, we're doing everything we can on the cancer front. I I think we're gonna beat that. I have faith in that. But at the end of the day, this is about our kids. Right?
• 3:51
  We're in a situation and, you know, I know you got babies. I got babies. Yeah. My babies are baby ogres at this point. But the you know, we're looking at a situation where my kid my oldest son is 14.
• 4:03
  We're facing a very real situation that he could turn 18 and be drafted for some foreign war in some crazy place for nothing that affects America, nothing that affects freedom, nothing that matters to us. We're facing a situation where our kids may, in the next few years, be facing serious civil unrest. They may be facing I mean, we've seen the the shipments of guns going to these hotels where they're housing illegal aliens in in New York. No one no one really knows why or what's going on there, but it can't be good. So, you know, when we look at the realities of our country, things are they're legitimately scary.
• 4:43
  And if you're not scared, then you're lying to yourself about what's going on. So we've continued to focus on the fight. You know, my fight, we'll never leave COVID and health freedom until we have justice. But it's really expanded because to get justice, what we realized was it's systemic corruption. Right?
• 5:01
  The left likes to talk about things like systemic racism, systemic homophobia, whatever. What there really is a problem with in this country is systemic corruption on a scale we've never seen. And so we're focusing on that, trying to keep the family healthy, and that's really the key thing.
• 5:20
  Seth Holehouse: You know, it's really interesting you mentioned the word systemic corruption because I'm reading a book right now called political ponderology. I'm not sure if you've heard about it or not, but it's you'd find it fascinating. So it's a a book that is a it's a study of evil, and the the author, you know, what he kinda posits is basically so if you look at, I think it was Saint Augustine. He, you know, he broke down evil into two types of evil. There's, like, what he called, I think, the moral evil, which is when man commits an evil they know is morally wrong, like, such as murder or, you know, theft, etcetera.
• 5:57
  And then there's, like, the natural evil, which how how he categorized it, which is a a natural disaster or a bear eating a baby deer to survive. Right? But then the author also talks about I forget the exact term that he used, but then one of terms that he talked about was a grand I think it was grand systemic evil. And so what he what he what he means by that is that, basically, that when evil gets to a point that it starts to overtake a society, It's not just an individual's evil actions. It what happens is and and what they go into this is a lot of it is based on the study of psychopaths.
• 6:32
  And there's another book that I'm in the process of reading as well, called the people of the lie, which is also it's it's looking at what it mean what is a psychopath? And so what they found in psychiatrists and psychologists, and they've determined that there's this term, you know, psychopath, that's roughly four to five percent of our population, and these are people that genuinely just don't have a conscience. Right? So, you know, for you, if you're, you know, if you're doing something and say you accidentally hurt your son or you you step on the tail of a of a kitten, you'd you'd you'd you'd have this this visceral response to it of, like, oh, that's wrong. I I I harmed this creature.
• 7:10
  And but what what they're saying is that there these psychopaths, they don't have that. They can harm even their own family, and they don't feel a a negative response to it. And so the but these are people that also understand that so if, say, four or five percent of people have this this innate evilness, the rest of us don't, but those four or 5% of the people, they know that if they can pretend to be good, that the rest of the population will just think, oh, they're actually just they're actually good people. They're not actually evil people, and that allows them to go unchecked. But then what happens is that enough of these evil people start gaining control.
• 7:49
  Right? Because we play by a moral code. Well, they'll play by our our moral code also, but they'll also play by their code of lying and and cheating and stealing and murdering and whatever it takes to get on top. And so over time, what happens is those people naturally rise to the top of a society because the they're they're bending the the there's no rules for them. But then what happens is that eventually you get what the author refers to as grand systemic evil, where a society gets to a place where the the upper echelons of society, the power structure of society end up becoming corrupted and very evil.
• 8:25
  And that he says that this this instance of this grand systemic evil has killed more innocence than any other phenomenon, in history. So it's just interesting that you're you're saying that you're seeing the systemic corruption. It just it is literally just last night I was reading this about specifically this grand systemic evil. It just I I think that's where our society is at. It's actually it's mostly good people, but it feels like the society is very evil because the few, you know, small percentage that have gained a lot of power are very evil.
• 8:55
  So, anyway, I just thought it was just a interesting correlation.
• 8:58
  Tom Renz: It's a it's a very interesting correlation. Actually, ties in with something else that I've been doing a little bit of research on. I'm not at the point that I can I can say that this is proven? Right? So I don't know if you've ever heard of, it.
• 9:12
  And when I'm talking about and I'm thinking about this systemic evil, I'm thinking particularly about the psychopaths that have I mean, I'm not saying Bill Gates is a psychopath, but, you know, I mean, he's been experimenting with vaccines on native populations around the world. We're pushing vaccines on things like children, even though the COVID vaccine has absolutely no demonstrated efficacy or value whatsoever, and loads of potential side effects. So we're we're actually playing Russian roulette with our children for no benefit. I I don't know how that could be anything but evil. But, you know, we look at some of these things.
• 9:47
  One of the things that I've researched a little bit, and this is kinda gonna be out there in left field, but it's actually a legit thing. So back in, I think, the nineties, a guy was doing some research, and he found a gene. It's called the VMAT2 gene. And I'm guessing some of your people may have heard about this. The VMAT2 gene is the god gene.
• 10:05
  Right? It's the gene that is thought to kind of be the intersection between your soul and your body. I can't say that this is something that's hard proof because the feelings that you get from that gene are reported, you know, spirituality, connection to God, those sorts of things. And so, you know, what does that mean? I don't know.
• 10:29
  As a Christian, I believe we've got a soul regardless of what's going on with the genes. And, you know, but but this seems to have a pretty profound impact on your ability to feel, to connect with and to be involved with God. So there were reports a number of years back out of China that they were working with on different different drugs, different things to try and limit the impact of that gene and other other related genetic things related to your feelings. Because like you said, if if my child were to get hurt while I was doing something by accident, I'd feel terrible. Well, reports out of China, and this has been it's been pretty buried.
• 11:09
  It's hard to find much about this anymore. But they were working on it with their military because they didn't want their soldiers to feel remorse or hesitation on the battlefield if they have to kill a woman or a child. You know, your your job as a soldier is to go win a war and whatever it takes. Right? At least that's their view.
• 11:26
  Most of us would like to think better of that. But So there was a lot of work being done. And I found recently that they actually do have now VMAT2 inhibitors. There's a number of drugs out there that are VMAT2 inhibitors, AUSTEDO, INGREZZA, tetrabenzene, xenazine. There's a handful of them, right?
• 11:52
  And again, we don't know all the specifics of this. So science is kind of messy on this. And again, remember, when I approach it, Seth, I always approach I'm very good at reading and deciphering science. I'm scientist. I'm a lawyer who's very good at reading and deciphering scientist science.
• 12:13
  So the way that I approach it is I read the science. I'm aware of the methodology they use. So I look for any any open or clear errors. And then I evaluate it as a lawyer would. I can't do the science, but I can evaluate the science.
• 12:29
  And that's part of my job on a complex case and trial. You know, if we're dealing with, you know, an issue that that involves science and I'm bringing it in court, I have to actually that's exactly what I have to do. So, you know, I'm looking at these things, and all I'm doing is following the evidence when I say this stuff. But it's interesting. The inhibition of VMAT two reduces dopamine storage release, and it does a number of different things that really, in theory.
• 13:00
  Would limit your connection with God. Now, here's the catch. Here's the catch, and this is nefarious, and I'm actually kind of breaking this right now. I I've never I've never talked about this public. Have you seen all the commercials lately about the tardive dyskinesia?
• 13:17
  Seth Holehouse: No. Because well, I I found what as you're talking, I wanna pull this up, the the tardive dyskinesia. Right? Yeah. Here's a paper about the VMAT two inhibitors for the management of chorea associated with Huntington disease and tardive dyskinesia.
• 13:35
  But, no, I haven't because I actually I rarely watch rarely rarely watch television. Most of what I consume is, like, you know, your show on Rumble as an example, right, instead of turning on
• 13:46
  Tom Renz: Fox News seeing
• 13:48
  Seth Holehouse: what, you know, what what, what Big Pharma's pushing via Fox these days. So but but go ahead, though. I I'm I'm I'm interested to hear what you have to say, though.
• 14:00
  Tom Renz: Well so tardive dyskinesia, this is critical and one of the most nefarious things I've ever seen. So tardive dyskinesia is a side effect from all these antipsychotic, all these drugs that they have us taking for mental health. It causes shakes, weird feelings, all sorts of issues, right? And it's particularly characteristic of it is blinking, like blink, blink, blink, blink, like that, and involuntary movements, right? You're shaking, things like that.
• 14:36
  So what they're now doing is they're pushing a number of drugs to help with the tardive dyskinesia. So you take the psychiatric drug that messes with your head, then they put you on the tardive dyskinesia drugs to fix the side effects from the psychiatric drug that messes with your head. Well, guess what? This VMAT2 receptor is impacted directly by these tardive dyskinesia drugs. So in theory, they may be creating a whole class of psychopaths disconnected with God people, people who have less ability to feel remorse or right or wrong or anything else.
• 15:21
  I mean, we don't know. There's no like I said, we're not at a point where I can say that this is proven, but there's a legitimate question to be asked here. This tardive dyskinesia thing is very concerning to me. When you start, talking about, Hey, you're taking this psychiatric drug that's gonna cause all these problems in your head. And by the way, your SSRI, Zoloft, all these different things, they all cause problems, right?
• 15:48
  And in fact, I'll admit here, for a number of years, when I was in my early 20s, a doctor told me I needed Zoloft. I was on it for twenty years. I kicked it. I quit. It's very addictive.
• 15:59
  I don't care what the FDA says. It's extremely addictive. I quit at cold turkey over well over a year ago. I still have major side effects from quitting. It's a very serious thing.
• 16:09
  And for anybody that's on an antidepressant, I suggest you really have a good talk with your doctor about the real side effects and do your own research because for me, I'll tell you what, the best thing I ever did was get away from that stuff. It's it's horrific. But now you see them, they're giving you these psychiatric drugs. That you really probably don't need. But, you know, I mean, the best thing to do is to just address whatever the issues are.
• 16:33
  But they give you these drugs, they mess with your head so bad that they cause secondary side effects so severe now that they're now creating another class of drugs that impacts to deal with these secondary side effects. But one of the key things, and I think this is a big issue when we look at these mass killings, these, you know, these shooters, these different things, is this tardive dyskinesia thing. The VMAT2 gene is tied in with this. So when when because these psychiatric drugs are messing with this VMAT2 gene, it may or may not be causing. And I'll tell you, I've got a study from Cambridge, right?
• 17:17
  It says inhibition of the vascular monomine transporter type two, that's VMAT2. Okay, so the VMAT2 And I know we're getting into the weeds here. I'm sorry. But yeah, screwing with the VMAT2 gene translating. It doesn't say it exactly this way reduces dopamine storage and release.
• 17:33
  Right? So diminishing dopamine release curtails overstimulation of dopamine receptors that cause tardive dyskinesia. So now you've got drugs. The antipsychotic these drugs that cause this mess up, they potentially sever genetically your ability to feel as close to or as connected with God. And then they have new drugs to screw with that further.
• 18:05
  What's that going to do to people? Now, may be the link behind all these mass shootings and, the the antipsychotic drugs. This might be it.
• 18:17
  Seth Holehouse: Well, I know that when you look into it, that the vast majority, almost all of them in the cases that I've I've looked into of these shooters are on some form of SSRI or some form of antidepressant, you know, drug. Now what we're seeing now, which is interesting, is that a lot of these mass mass shooters are also deep into the transgender stuff. Right? So they're further they're further fractured, and and there's a lot of different, you know, folks that are you know, have have talked about how these SSRI drugs, they open up our minds to be suggestible by you know, I'm not sure if you're familiar with Voice of God technology. Have have you seen that before, the patents for the voice of god technology where
• 18:58
  Tom Renz: I've heard I've heard a little bit about it. You know, putting stuff that makes you more susceptible to that Oh, is what I've heard.
• 19:05
  Seth Holehouse: Yeah. They they make you more of a receiver. So voice of god and and that next time, you know, you're talking, can look at my screen. I'll I'll pull up a you know, the the patent for it, but you can see, actually, it's a patented thing that the government has done that enables them to put voices into people's heads. So they they they talked about it, say they're fighting like ISIS fighters, and they can use this voice of god technology.
• 19:25
  So the whole army of kind of, you know, ISIS extremists, all at once, they get this voice in their head that says, this is Allah. Lay down your arms. Right? So that's one of the ways that they talked about using this voice of god technology. And so it just makes you when when you put this all together and this is the the kind of the tricky part, right, that when you and I know that you as an attorney, you're you're you're you're building cases.
• 19:50
  You're pulling together in information and tying it together to understand that the real picture of something. And when you look at all this together and you've you've kind of put on a big map, the only conclusion that I can come to is that the is that, you know, big pharma, the the agencies, the government, that military industrial complex, you know, everything, that there is some sort of dark, maybe even satanic agenda to destroy what to destroy humans, but not just to kill them all, but to actually destroy the DNA, to to destroy God's creation, and to cut us off from God. And so it's interesting that I've also been hearing a lot of things coming out about people talking about post COVID vaccine that they they feel like they've lost their ability to feel God. I'm not sure if you've seen that. I've seen a lot of Yep.
• 20:38
  You know, firsthand people talking about this, saying that they've lost their ability to feel or sense God. And I wonder if that has to do with a lot of what we're talking about here.
• 20:50
  Tom Renz: That was the origin of this research. Okay. So the reason that I started down this path was asking the question. So here's the thing. We everything that they've told us about COVID vaccines was a lie.
• 21:02
  So to me, I don't trust a liar, and I don't really care what they say at this point. I look for whatever I can find related to the evidence. So here's the evidence. The piece of evidence that we start from here is there are a large number of people who had the COVID vaccine that say they no longer feel or hear God. Okay?
• 21:19
  So I say, well, why is that? What's going on here? So we know that these COVID vaccines are gene therapies, right? And let me define gene therapy. You are inserting genetic material into your body for what is claimed to be a therapeutic purpose when you take a COVID vaccine.
• 21:38
  You're literally putting modified mRNA, mod RNA, in your arm. And the purpose is to provide us a therapeutic effect, right? I mean, that's the theory, which means it literally is by definition a gene therapy. It messes with the genetic material in your body. Now, that's not to say that we can prove that it integrates into your DNA, though we know that it does in some cases.
• 22:05
  Regardless of whether it integrates or not, it's still foreign genetic material in your body. What if? And we know it also crosses the blood brain barrier. That's not debatable. That's not disputable.
• 22:19
  So it gets into your brain. Is this screwing with those dopamine receptors? Is it screwing with those VMAT two genes? How is it screwing with those? We don't know that.
• 22:30
  And since they lie about everything related to this, you know, I start the research. And one of the most interesting aspects of the research that I've come across is this. You've got this VMAT two god gene. You've got a bunch of godless atheist sick monsters that are pushing this vaccine. You know, is it impossible to think that, you know, one of the the, you know, 75 pages of side effects that, you know, Pfizer, you know, didn't wanna disclose would include something related to its ability to impact that VMAT2 gene, to to really damage your ability to feel connection with God.
• 23:10
  And again, remember, what we're talking about is evidence. When I talk about feeling a connection with God, you say, well, that sounds spiritual. That's not evidence. No, no, no. There are numerous documents and studies theorizing that the VMAT two gene is core to feeling God, to to being connected with God, to being sensitive to God.
• 23:32
  Right? And so with that, you've got to understand, I'm just following the evidence. Don't Yeah, I can't do the biochemistry to explain to you the details of why that works. What I can tell you is there are numerous studies suggesting that they have not been controverted. I can tell you that we know a number of anti mental health drugs impact substantially dopamine receptors, all these things that are related to the VMAT two gene.
• 24:07
  And now they've got these tardive dyskinesia drugs coming out that are gonna further screw with that. And in the meantime, we see a massive uptick in violence, shootings, chaos around the country, around the world that seems to have really exploded since the COVID debacle. Is there a connection? I'm not saying I can prove it, but I am saying it's time for some of our scientists to look into it. So, you know, I mean, I'm gonna make sure McCullough and some of these actual scientists that do real work see this.
• 24:37
  I wanna say, hey, guys. You wanna look into this? Because this is a little over my head in terms of the, you know, the biochem and some of these other things. But it looks looks like there's a fire because I'm seeing a lot of smoke.
• 24:52
  Seth Holehouse: Exactly. It makes you wonder because if you look at the SSRI statistics and how many Americans are on antidepressants, I mean, it's skyrocketed, and it makes me wonder, right, if you take a a big step back and you look at, okay, what is the grand plan, or or potentially a piece of it, it's doing all the things that will disconnect people from God, that will make people depressed. Right? Putting screens in front of them, pulling families apart, you know, like the the the the divorce rate's fifty percent, poor health. Right?
• 25:28
  Obesity rate's fifty percent. Right? All the things that they've done to make life unhealthy, especially here in America. And then but then if you come in, so you create this society that's very unhealthy and unhappy. Not to mention a lot of the just the the, the the the race baiting and the the wars, like the you know, us versus them and what the media has done to make to divide us in these two, you know, very distinct camps where everyone hates the opposite side of the aisle.
• 25:58
  You take all this, and then everyone's obviously then you you kind of couple into that inflation. Right? The fact that, say, in '19, you know, nineteen twenties or thirties that, you know, you get a single a a father that was a painter or a mechanic could afford a house, and he could have a wife with four kids at home and you know? But now, you know, even couples are working two jobs each just to get by. Yeah.
• 26:19
  So the stress is going up, but then they're the solution is all of these drugs. They're saying, hey. We're gonna make so instead you you mentioned. Right? Right?
• 26:29
  Instead of fixing this fixing the cause of it. Right? Instead of fixing the root cause and say, okay. Why is our society so unhappy? Maybe it's the music industry.
• 26:37
  Maybe it's Hollywood. Maybe it's, you know, the media, whatever it is. Instead, though, it's this scheme of, okay, getting out from the hook on these antidepressants. That's gonna fix you. But then those antidepressants then causing those those other side effects and then say, okay.
• 26:51
  Well, here's the solution to your antidepressants, which just so happens to be something that actually inhibits the gene that scientists believe is what connects you to God. I mean, to me, this is a it's a pretty brilliant strategy if your plan is to destroy the human race and to destroy God's creation. I mean, it makes perfect sense from that perspective.
• 27:13
  Tom Renz: Yeah. Well and this is it. Right? So we know that if you study history, right, how does communism, how does totalitarianism, how does this always rise in any country where that's rising? One of the first things they have to do is they have to destroy God and they have to destroy the family.
• 27:31
  Right? So and understand, I don't care. Like, I I'm I'm very libertarian in terms of my governance views. I don't care how you choose to live your life. So when I say this, it's not because I'm telling you you have to have a traditional nuclear family like I believe in.
• 27:46
  You have the right to live however you want. I still think there's a better way to do it, but I'm entitled to that belief. The thing about this is is regardless of what you think about it, the history has shown destroy the family, destroy the connection to God, and the culture will collapse, and totalitarianism can rise over and over again. We saw it in the Soviet Union. We saw it in China.
• 28:07
  We've seen it over and over historically everywhere. So America has been the chief dog. We are the clean or clear the the clear stopping point for tyranny around the world. Right? You can't have the shining beacon on the hill, be a free society where people are the most successful in the world, and then argue, hey.
• 28:29
  We need tyranny so we can be, what, worse than them? I mean, it doesn't work. Right? And the whole world knows America. The whole world sees America.
• 28:36
  They all know what we are. They have they, being the totalitarian dictatorial type people, know that they have to take America down if they want to expand or preserve their power. It doesn't even matter if we're doing anything in another country. What matters is is that people of the world know the good life that we've lived in America, and they want that. So what do you do?
• 29:02
  Well, you infiltrate our education system. You screw with our kids. You miseducate and lie to the kids. You try and censor free speech so that no one can share truth because truth, once it's out there, is viral every time. You know how I go viral all the time?
• 29:19
  I just tell the truth. It's not complicated. You find the biggest narrative that's going on, look at it, figure out what's not true about it, and then and then put it out there, and it's viral every time because the truth will set you free. And people know the truth when they hear it. It resonates with them.
• 29:35
  So what we have now is a situation where our society's under attack. They're trying to get us to collapse. They're attacking us from every angle, and it would make sense. You know? I mean, it's always interesting because I never know where you and I are gonna end up.
• 29:50
  But, you know, we start looking at how how drugs and these different things are disrupting the connection with God. You look at, you know, Hillary Clinton, Kamala Harris, Gavin Newsom, of course, passing a bill to try and censor free speech. I mean, these people are all anti free speech. Why? Well, because if you see the truth, if you hear the truth, it's gonna resonate.
• 30:10
  You you know, they can't push their lives. So across the board, we're seeing this over and over again.
• 30:17
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• 31:21
  Tom Renz: I think that's what we're experiencing in this country right now. I think that's the great reset. You know? Destroy our culture, destroy our country, destroy our freedom, destroy our families, and most importantly, destroy our connection with God so you can take out take out the shining beacon on the hill.
• 31:36
  Seth Holehouse: Exactly. And I think that, you know, regarding, truth, I think it was Saint Augustine that had said a quote something like that truth is a lion. Like, you don't need to defend it. You you just let it out, and it'll defend itself. Right?
• 31:48
  And maybe you actually had even told me that that quote in one of our previous interviews. But that's something and even censorship, you know, what I've come to come to you lately is that, you know, censorship, they want us to to believe that censorship is about protecting the truth from the lies. Right? But, actually, what it is is censorship is is almost always used to protect the lies from the truth because the truth would would would just well, it'll collapse the lies, and and this is where we're at. And and it's an interesting process, and I'm going back through and and been studying a lot of different material and looking back whether it's World War two or World War one or even before then and seeing, wait.
• 32:26
  Like, history is always written by the victors. And so what's really going on here? And I'm uncovering stuff that is just like, wow. Like, my entire entire worldview that's you know, what I was taught and what's been taught in America for generations. Actually, I think a lot of these things are lies.
• 32:43
  And what's most frightening is that because I I I I really believe that truth is something that some part of your soul recognizes, and that's why I think you mentioned why it goes viral is that people, they they can feel it. It's like, oh, that's that's true, and and clicks with them. And I think that the the, you know, the evil that's been ruling this world, that they've maintained their power largely by making sure that we're surrounded by lies, because that's the only way they they can kinda trap us. Because if if enough of us get down to the truth and we see who the enemy really is and we really understand what's happening, we're not gonna stand up. We're not gonna, you know, think that, oh, the enemy is my neighbor with a Biden sign.
• 33:28
  You're gonna see, wait. This whole this whole thing of left versus right, this is a creation to get us distracted fighting each other so we're not focusing on the actual enemy.
• 33:38
  Tom Renz: Yeah. Well, I would agree with you. And I wanna let me give a personal kind of a a personal story that reflects that. Right? So we're we're told things.
• 33:48
  Like you said, victory history is written by the victor. And so we're always told things. We're told this. We're told that. And and we're we see hatred sown across this country.
• 33:58
  Hey. If you're white, you're racist, so you're a hater, and you need to know that. If you're if you're, you know, not in favor of tranny story hour, drag queen story hour, you must hate anybody that's not l that's LGBTQ. I mean, we we're told these lies that aren't true. Right?
• 34:19
  I mean, I'm against I'm against drag queen story hour because well, if it wasn't about sexualizing kids, it wouldn't be drag queen story hour. It'd just be story hour. The fact that it's called drag queen story hour is all you need to know. Yes. It is about sexualizing kids, so I'm against it.
• 34:35
  But, no, I don't care how you live your life, and I don't care what you do in your bedroom. I just don't wanna see it, and I don't want it around my kids. So, you know, we're we're lied to and we're misled. In my life, one of the one of the great store stories that I think I don't think I've ever told it publicly, but it's kinda unique. So I clerked at the Supreme Court in India.
• 34:54
  It was a great honor as the only American never served with the justice I did. His name was the honorable justice Tarun Chatterjee. He since passed. And
• 35:03
  Seth Holehouse: So you were over in India Clerking with the Indian Supreme Court?
• 35:08
  Tom Renz: Yeah. The Supreme Court of the nation of India. It was really an incredible experience. One of the most profound experiences of my professional life, for sure. I mean, it was it was incredible.
• 35:21
  And, actually, my friend, Shreya Maltielal, was was instrumental in helping it happen. I don't know if he'll hear this show, but I hope someday he does because he was I haven't talked to him for a number of years. He's a good man. But yeah. So why did I bring that up, and what does that have to do with this?
• 35:39
  Right? So while I'm in India in India, I think of all the places I've been to in the world, and I've been to a number, I've done charity work in, like, grass hot villages in the jungle. Right? I've been to some different places. I've never seen a place that's culturally more different from America than India.
• 35:58
  It was really it was you feel it's very foreign in a lot of ways. But here's the thing. So we're told that, you know, everybody that's different is is hateful or mean or end of the day, we all bleed red. And the same was very true over there. While they may view faith and and a lot of cultural things substantially differently than we do, They're still trying to protect their kids.
• 36:22
  They're still trying to live better lives, still trying to do this, trying to do that. And the people of India were some of the warmest, kindest, most wonderful people I've ever met in my life. Now at the same time, when I went over there, it was you know, there was still a lot of talk. It was very much in the headlines, the Islamic terrorism and how, you know, this, that, and other. And there were two really competing narratives.
• 36:45
  And the mainstream told us, oh, that's nonsense. Islam's a religion of peace, and they all love us, and it's fine. And then there was the neocon perspective that everyone that's Islamic is evil, and we need to wipe them off the planet. And then probably somewhere knows the truth. But so I go over that.
• 37:05
  Right? And I had some experience with the Islamic community because Islam is the second largest religion in India. You have, of course, the the Hindu faith being the main, and then which Hinduism is actually an interesting thing because it's actually a collection of faiths, but neither here nor there. And then you have Islam as being kind of secondary. And there's a lot of at the time, at least, I don't know if it's changed, but there was a lot of kind of friction between the two.
• 37:34
  Right? And so, you know, I went over there, and I didn't really even think much about this. But we went to one night. I went down to the Taj Mahal. I wanted to see that while I was there.
• 37:45
  And it was one of the few things that I did outside of working. I was very busy on that trip. I mean, it was it was quite the process working in, you know, in law the law of India. You know? I mean, it was something interesting.
• 37:57
  But so I go there, and it was the only time in in my my time in India that there was ever anything that that was racial or ethnic that was an issue. There were a group of Muslims that were mad that I was there. Of course, you know, I'm a six four white guy. I stood out like a you know, you couldn't miss me. Right?
• 38:20
  I mean, I I was I'm I'm a big guy, especially in India. And, you know, I stick out. And we get there, and a group of of Muslims come up and were apparently very offended that I was there. We weren't doing anything. We're just literally standing in line to go through, and I was with a couple of my friends who were who were native Indian and who were from were involved with the court.
• 38:42
  But these guys came up, and they were they were actually consider it got very tense. They were considering physical confrontation. Now why? Well, because I was a white guy, and the Taj Mahal was, I guess, you know, initially, it was from a Muslim ruler, I believe, that that was built. I don't know.
• 39:00
  Somehow they found it offensive. We weren't doing anything. Respectful. Of course, I would be because, you know, it's not my country. I wouldn't be respectful of anybody that's there.
• 39:08
  But so I saw that. Now at the same time, I met some other Muslims in the country and actually worked with one on the Supreme Court who was one of the night one of the she was actually a woman. There was actually a woman who was Islamic and worked on the supreme court and was a clerk with me at the same time. One of the nicest, kindest, most wonderful people I've ever seen. And so, you know, to to the victor, the story is written.
• 39:36
  But the thing is is when we write these stories, they're generally written with very broad brushstrokes. In my personal life, traveling abroad, going there and experiencing firsthand and doing some of these things, I saw firsthand a group of people that hated me because I was a white they they didn't even know if I was Muslim. I could have been a white Muslim. They didn't know. But I was a big white guy, and I didn't fit in.
• 40:04
  And so they hated me. They want they actually on in all honesty, but for the fact that I was working with the court and some of the people were with me were were with that, it it very well likely would have turned violent. But then on the other side, one of the nicest people who became a very good friend to me while I was there that I met was Islamic and didn't care one bit about what I you know? So what where's the truth in this? Where's the truth?
• 40:32
  The truth is is that hating anybody doesn't work very well. I mean, you know, stereotype hating doesn't work well. And that we really have to look at people as individuals, not as collectives. But we also have to be aware that there are certain collective ideologies that create issues on a large scale. And, you know, there's a reason that certain stereotypes exist.
• 40:56
  Yeah. They don't exist in a vacuum. Stereotypes never come into existence in a vacuum. But the problem is is that we we have to recognize that a stereotype may be something that provides evidence that we should consider a certain way of thinking, but we can never allow it to override what we actually do. Yeah.
• 41:16
  We gotta give the innocent till proven guilty in any given situation. And therein lies the problem. Right? So going back to the initial point that you made, which I actually remember, you had talked about the victor writes the story. When we look at World War one, when we look at World War two, when we look at Vietnam, when we look at Korea, when we look at yeah.
• 41:40
  Pick your war, even the civil war. There is influence in how the story is told by the victor. But the truth of the matter is when you're on the ground, when you show up in that foreign country, when you show up in that foreign place, when you're actually there, I'm quite certain that none of us actually got it all right.
• 42:01
  Seth Holehouse: Well, that and that that's the interesting point that I found too is that whenever there's anything that that claims to be the absolute truth about something, it's almost like it's already off. It's already wrong because it's it's there's it's a blend. Right? Whether it's, you know, someone saying, okay. Look.
• 42:18
  It's all this person's fault or it's all this group of people. They're the ones behind it. You know, there's oftentimes, there's some truth to that, but there's also you find that there's a lot of other things mixed in. It just it's not easy because I I it really feels like we're in Plato's cave, and it's hard to separate what is a shadow, what is real, you know, what is coming in from the outside of the cave. And because we're we're born into a world of delusion, and everything's been hidden from us.
• 42:46
  The real history of mankind's been hidden from us. It's like, were there giants walking on Earth? Were there dinosaurs? Were, you know, is the moon real? I mean, there's all kinds of things that, like, if you start looking at it and saying, oh, like, maybe it's all a lie.
• 43:00
  But even that can become an issue because then you're like, you lose your sense of reality. It's like, well, nothing is true, and everything's a lie. And am I even real? And, you know, so it's to me, the only way to kinda walk through all this stuff is being grounded in faith. Like, that's the only way to get through it.
• 43:14
  Otherwise, you're you're just this tiny little boat on a massive stormy sea, and it's so easy to become capsized. And and we're seeing that happening, though, but it's it's interesting because I do feel, though, that amidst this, that, you know, we we talk about this great awakening, that there is this massive movement, and and it's energetic. It's spiritual. It's it's particulate. There's this this shift that's happening that more and more people around the world are really kind of, like, cutting the shackles of delusion off.
• 43:48
  They're removing them. Yep. They're starting to see the truth, and and they're coming together. I mean, as an example, look at what's happened within our own political parties where you have, you know, the the very centrist RFK junior joining camps with with Trump, and look at some of the the the information coming out of that movement, like the Maha. It's like make America healthy again.
• 44:08
  There's these different unifying factors that that are they're not political. It's like, you know, you ask a parent, it doesn't matter what your political beliefs are. It's like, do you want to be healthy? It's like, well, yeah. Do you want your kids to be healthy?
• 44:22
  Well, yeah. Of course, I do. And so it just we're at such a a powerful nexus in history, that that we're we're which is where we're we're facing right now because you can see that ten years from now, like, I I can't think that of any place that I I so I've been in my life, but even looking back at history where ten years from now, the entire world could be in a significantly different place than what it's in right now. It could be in a really good place or it could be in a really bad place. So it just it's a wild it's a wild time that we're living in right now, that say the least.
• 44:59
  Tom Renz: It is. Well, you talk about the truth spreading. That that that lion of truth is fighting, and it's fighting hard right now. And I agree with you that the faith is kind of the core to all this. Right?
• 45:08
  Because so when you boil down these truths and you find out that there's very few that are universal, I I view God as being a universal truth. Right? So if God exists, he must be truth in all things and always, and there must be a universal truth, so there's evidence of it. And it's tough. And I've used a couple arguments to demonstrate that in the in the past, you know, because the people say moral relativism.
• 45:33
  Okay. Well, if moral relativism is true, then moral relativism must be true in every case. If there's one universal truth, then moral relativism is false. Right? So I say then I will go on and say, well, when is it okay to to commit genocide like Hitler did?
• 45:52
  When is it if you can give me one instance where that's okay, then all right. And then I'll follow it up. When is it okay to molest an infant? When is it okay to sexually abuse and molest an infant? Can you give me one instance where that's okay?
• 46:10
  And the answer is there isn't any. Unless you have a mental health issue, there's never an instance where that's okay. And even if you do, it's still not okay. You're just too screwed up to know it. There are universal truths.
• 46:21
  Now, will tell you, one of the problems is the complexity of Right? So one might say, well, murder is always wrong. Okay. Well, let me ask you something. If you found out that a terrorist was crossing the border with a a, you know, a miniature nuclear device and was gonna blow up a city and you had you were the only one that could stop them, would you shoot them?
• 46:49
  Is that wrong? I mean, I don't know. But the thing about it is is because there's complexity and because there's gray areas, the left likes to try and convince us that there's no universal truth. There is universal truth. It's never okay to do what Hitler did.
• 47:04
  It's never okay to enslave someone because of their race. It's never okay to molest a child. There are certain things that are just never okay. And if there is one universal truth, Just one. Then that means moral relativism is a fallacy.
• 47:21
  It also means. That if there's a universal truth. Truth isn't tangible. It's it's information, it's conscience, right? So if there's a universal truth that has to come from a universal conscience, that's God.
• 47:39
  So it's also evidence that there's God. I've never lost that argument, by the way.
• 47:44
  Seth Holehouse: Yeah. I mean, I I'd love to have anybody look you in the face and say, yeah. No. It's okay to do that to an infant. It's like, okay.
• 47:50
  You're we're putting you in that four to five percent category of psychopath. Right? Yeah. And that and that's the problem is that because I think that for most of us, we we do recognize that there's some sense of a universal truth, and and you wouldn't go and just slap some kid's child or any of these things. But the problem is that there are this there is this portion of population that they they're fine with it.
• 48:13
  Like, they'll they'll torture kids. If if if it means they can harvest that blood and and have some sort of chemical high and and and and, you know, preserve their life force or whatever whatever gets into that, they'll do it. Right? Because there it's Yeah. It's it's it's evil.
• 48:25
  But I think that this is the the key, though, is that I think that what they've tried to do with this this overall this this large scale attack on humanity is they've tried to turn us evil. They've tried to get us to abandon our conscience. Right? If you look at the the you know, what what they've done, they destroy the family unit. Right?
• 48:41
  Push moral degeneracy. Destroy the arts. Right? Glorify, you know, Jackson Paul and these artists that the artists that were drunk and on drugs and creating horrible, wicked things and demonizing the traditional arts. The music.
• 48:55
  Look where the music is at right now. You go to the iTunes top ten, eight or nine of of the top 10 songs are all explicit lyrics, and they're and they're mostly rap. Right? Which I think is is a is the one of the most degenerate forms of of of modern music, especially you know, I'm not saying, say, the hip hop movements of the eighties or whatever is a different story, but what has become now, the glorification of violence and and the the simplification of language and everything. So you look around, and it's apparent they've tried to make us evil, us turn evil, but I think that the the problem, though, from for them is that we're not.
• 49:29
  And that actually that we do have a conscience, and we do have a soul, and we do believe in God. And whether we believe in God or not, God is still in us. Right? And so I think that what's happening is that they they've pushed that agenda so far that it's no longer this thing that is undetectable. It's like, oh, you you know, how'd you get to where you are today?
• 49:46
  It's like, oh, these these tiny little things of saying, it's okay. It's not too bad to do that. It's not too bad to do that. But now what's happened is that they're like, okay. Now, you know, now we want you to go chop off the breasts of your daughter.
• 49:57
  It's like, woah. Woah. Woah. Woah. Woah.
• 49:59
  Like, I was okay with supporting gay marriage. I was okay with this, but now you want this. And then it's caused all these people to say, like, I'm gonna take a big step back and realize, like, we've gotten really far off base, and we gotta we gotta course correct now.
• 50:14
  Tom Renz: Yeah. No question about it. And then what's worse is when you point out, you know, issues with the explicit and violent nature of a lot of the rap that's out there, the first thing that you're told is you're racist. Here's here's the secret, though. I actually really, really enjoy rap as a genre.
• 50:32
  I just don't wanna hear about you shooting cops and beating women and pimping women and thing. I mean, I just don't wanna hear that. I think that's I I that's not okay. Right? The the the actual art of it, I like how it sounds.
• 50:45
  Some of these lyrical rappers are incredibly talented. Oh, like, Tom McDonald. Awesome.
• 50:50
  Seth Holehouse: Like, I'm not sure if you've if you've I mean, he's just
• 50:53
  Tom Renz: I I have. They're just they're they're they're they're really they're amazing. And, I mean, you know, listen. I'm more of a a rock and country guy myself, but, you know, same thing there. There's been a lot of rock that's been very degenerative over the years.
• 51:07
  There's even been some really off color country in the last few number a few years. You know? But at the end of the day, it's not the genre that we have the issue with. It's you know, if you're using the genre and you're promoting a message, it's the message being promoted that's the issue. So it's not a knock on a race.
• 51:24
  It's not a knock on a cultural institution or anything of the sort. What it is is, hey. I don't think talking about pimping, I don't think talking about dealing drugs, I don't think whether you talk about it, sing about it, whatever you're doing, glorifying violence against police is never okay. I don't care. This has nothing to do with race, and I'm not getting into your stupid faults, You know, this is a racial thing debates because it's not.
• 51:52
  It has nothing to do with that. So, you know, I just it's incredible the way the culture's twisted. It's incredible the way things are done. I mean, it just from top to bottom, they they use the lies to try and protect what they're doing. But as you so eloquently put it, the lies need defense against the truth because the truth is a lion, and the truth does set us free, and the truth will overcome in the end.
• 52:24
  We just gotta make sure that we're able to get it out. I mean, that's why I do my show. That's why you do your show, you know, because if we can get the truth out, it will set us free.
• 52:34
  Seth Holehouse: Oh, absolutely. And that's what gives me hope, actually, is is that the truth is getting out, and a lot of people are now getting it. And with platforms like this and like yours and, you know, any number of of different platforms and and social media profiles and everything, people are able to disseminate this information. So as we're wrapping up, I wanna pull up your your website here because I wanna make sure people know that if they weren't aware that you've got a fantastic podcast, to say the least. So TomWrens.com.
• 53:06
  So you've got your podcast up here. There's there's a whole a whole slew of stuff that you've got available to folks. So this is your, you know, your your website here. You go, latest episodes, everything. And and you're on, you're on Rumble, and you're on Spotify.
• 53:21
  You're all the places that people can listen to podcasts. Is that right?
• 53:25
  Tom Renz: We're all over the place. I, yeah, I honestly couldn't even list all. I know that we're going into new places every single time that we can. Yeah. We got people that are pushing it out there everywhere we can.
• 53:36
  So anywhere we can be, we're trying to get because the truth will set us free.
• 53:40
  Seth Holehouse: And so if if folks do want to follow or support your work or anything, what what what's your recommendation for them? What would you tell people to do?
• 53:48
  Tom Renz: Start with TomWrens.com, and you have to type it. If you search Tom Wrens, you'll get a whole bunch of Google stories about hit pieces on me, things like that.
• 53:57
  Seth Holehouse: Of course.
• 53:58
  Tom Renz: You know, Google has made sure that they do everything they can to demonetize us and to damage us. So you actually have to type TomRenz.com in. Again, if you and just if you're bored and really want something funny, just go ahead and search TomRenz versus TomRenz.com. And we just put up actually, we just put up some different some resources, some of the old cases that we did on COVID. I I was going through them for a show.
• 54:24
  It was incredible. It's worth checking the website up. I put up some of those cases and some of those things. Because if you look at the fact patterns, you'll find particularly the case that we filed in September of twenty twenty. So think about that, Seth.
• 54:37
  September of twenty twenty, midst of the lockdowns masking, that was the one of the first major cases we launched. It was against the masking and the lockdowns and the emergency. And I looked through that. And in that case, we showed using government documents, six foot social distancing was a lie, which we now know is accurate. Masking doesn't work, which we now know is accurate.
• 55:00
  COVID was never as dangerous as they claimed, which we now know is accurate. Basically, in September of twenty twenty, we proved there was no need for a vaccine. There was no emergency. And we demonstrated that early the stuff that Fauci is just now finally being able to come and clean on. So, I mean, you know, we were we were four years ahead of the curve.
• 55:22
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• 55:34
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• 55:49
  Sorry. I'm not always I can't promise it's always g rated. But I'm a lawyer. I'm not perfect. But didn't expect to see that, did you?
• 56:04
  We got all sorts of T shirts and fun stuff there. We have a we have a good time. We try to have fun with this because, I mean, look at look at what we're dealing with. The world's on fire.
• 56:12
  Seth Holehouse: You have to laugh at it. That's the thing. You have to be able to laugh. Oh, well, Tom, it's, it's always a pleasure speaking with you. I know you both of us had a little more tight schedules today, so we couldn't get into our hour and a half long.
• 56:26
  We we still know, we're we're going on fifty five minutes, so it's it'll still be an hour long show. It's always a a pleasure speaking with you. Just and not just a pleasure, but I always leave, you know, with with a little bit of a, you know, part of your courage and your commitment rubs off on me, and which is good because that's what we need more. We need more examples of of heroes, of people that set aside what's what's comfortable and what's easy to do, what's right, and that's what you've done, that you've defined your life by that. And I I appreciate what you've done and the example that you've set for people.
• 56:57
  Tom Renz: Well, that's a great honor, Seth. I really appreciate it. I appreciate your friendship. I appreciate you having me on. Appreciate all that you do, and, I I I just can't say thank you enough.
• 57:07
  Seth Holehouse: Oh, of course. Of course. It's my honor. Well, thank you, Tom. Until next time.
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