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Bookish drama and a beginning of the year reading update! 👀 · Gorls Unplugged

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Why is book talk always in chaos every single time we open the
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app at the moment? Literally at this point it is
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more like a reality TV show than a bookish community.
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There's just always something going on.
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So true. From that anti intellectualism
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debate pumping back up that comes around every three months
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without fail. And the audio book not being
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pointed. Towards reading, yeah.
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Then there's always some authors behaving badly.
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There's probably. Authors behaving badly.
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That's literally the name of a reality TV show.
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The book? Top version of Geordie Shore.
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That is. And what did you say earlier?
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You know that Jessa Hastings is probably.
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Oh yeah, Jessa Hastings is definitely causing drama
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somewhere. That woman is always doing
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something rogue. Kicking off in a corner
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somewhere, We just don't see it anymore.
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But yeah, we're going to go through a few little things that
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are popping up in the bookish community again today.
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But just before that, don't forget to like, share, subscribe
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and follow. All the things.
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We do new episodes every two weeks on a Thursday, OK.
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So the latest one that is going around is actually pretty timely
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because it ties into kind of everything that's going on
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politically in the landscape, which is obviously the the lap
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at the minute. There's two authors who are kind
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of beefing with each other. And I'm not sure if you've seen
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this because it's on threads. And I do feel like Threads is
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where a lot of the drama happens.
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It's like Twitter. Yeah, it's wild.
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People are really angry on that and some of the things like
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rightly so. So this was KM Mouranova.
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I think that's how you say her surname.
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She does some of those dark romance, like military romance
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books with the cartoon covers. You'll know them if you see
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them. I'll put one on screen.
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And then an indie author called HM Wolf.
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So what happened was obviously with everything that's happening
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in the US with ICE, people are showing their political views
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around that and trying to support the community that is
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being impacted the most. So HM Wolf posted a quote from
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her own book and then another picture that said I think it
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said fuck ICE and fuck Donald Trump or something like
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something along those lines. KM Morenova took huge offence to
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this and went on kind of a rant about it, saying that she was
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using her own book to sort of like promote self promote during
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a political situation that shouldn't be used to do that.
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And she compared it to SJM using the photo of Brianna Taylor and
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that situation when she promoted the release of A Court of Silver
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Flames. Somebody else said in the
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comments, well, HM Wolf is an author of colour, so actually is
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it the same? And then KM Moranova said that
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she was also the daughter of immigrants and she found it
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really offensive. So that is all kicking off at
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the minute. I think KM Moranova has since
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apologised from what I've seen, because one of the points that
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someone made, which I actually thought was quite a good point,
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was, well, are you the person to talk about this political
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landscape and what's right and wrong within it when you write
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military romances and you're. She apparently after she did
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this rant, she went straight back to promoting her own book
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that was a military romance. So I just thought this was quite
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an interesting one. It's not so similar to the
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typical drama that we see in the author space.
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It's a little bit of a Gray landscape this, I think.
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There's a lot of nuance to it. I feel like the problem is as
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well is that people are just so emotionally charged right now.
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And maybe she genuinely took offence to that author's post.
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Maybe she didn't, maybe she's dramatic.
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I don't bloody know. But I just think people are
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emotionally charged at the moment with everything going on.
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I don't even live in the USI feel very emotionally charged
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about the situation. And you know, potentially she's
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just kind of like she could have been seeing things for weeks
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that were driving her crazy about the ice situation.
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And so that one thing and like just pounced without thinking
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and maybe I'm thinking about this wrong but.
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Should. All All authors stop posting
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about their military romances. Do you know what you mean?
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I'm like it is all a bit grey, this drama, but acting, reacting
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so strongly and aggressively towards another author, I don't
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think ever. I don't think that's ever OK
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when someone hasn't specifically done something, really.
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I think for me as well, it's the fact she did it publicly when
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she could have obviously just deemed her and said, hey, I'm
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not sure this is being portrayed in the way you think it is.
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You know, would you consider not doing that?
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But she's obviously sort of led people to then sort of almost
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attack with her by making it public.
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And I also think it depends on the context of the book.
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So like, if that author, HM Wolf, I'm pretty sure that's her
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name. If the book was dystopian, then
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of course it makes sense to take a quote from it because dystopia
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is inherently, at its core, influenced by politics and
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things like that, imperialism, whatever.
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So then yes, of course that makes sense.
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I personally don't think that's the same as using a picture of
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someone who's died at the hands of police brutality to promote
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your new book. I don't think that's comparable
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in any way, but I understand, I feel the same as you, that this
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is a very emotionally charged situation.
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People have really strong views. People feel personally affected
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by it because so many people are affected by it and they know
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people that are. If they're not and it's, it's a
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difficult one. But I suppose the question is,
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do you think authors should be more careful using real world
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events? Yes, definitely.
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I, I do think, and I think we kind of like vaguely touched on
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this with with Luce before Christmas.
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I feel like authors and creators with influence always have to be
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mindful of the position of privilege and power that they
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have over other people's thought processes.
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And I think that's really important.
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Whether you have, you know, 1000 followers or 50,000 followers,
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you still are in a position of influence over your own
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community. So I think that everyone always
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needs to be mindful of what they're doing.
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But that doesn't mean that I believe anytime someone steps a
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toe out of line that they should immediately be cancelled because
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we people do stupid things and they don't always think about
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things in the right way. Even like with the SJM
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situation, I'm like, I don't, I wasn't very into SJM at that
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time. I wasn't really within.
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I didn't didn't know of the news of the bookish community when
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that was happening. And yes, I don't think that she
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should have done that. But does that automatically mean
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we all know that she did that with any type of like malicious
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intent? Like you just don't, you just
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don't know. People make mistakes.
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And I think that the cancel culture that comes with, you
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know, these two authors, for instance, that doesn't mean
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everyone should automatically be like, we're boycotting them,
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like, especially if they're going to publicly come out and
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apologise. That's it.
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I think it's the apology, isn't it?
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That's what we've said before about Jessa Hastings or other
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authors. It's how you take accountability
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for what you've done to upset people.
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She has, apparently. I haven't personally seen it,
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but she has since apologised for me.
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That would be enough in a situation like this.
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I don't think this one is anywhere near as big as Jessa
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Hastings being racist or, you know, anything.
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Yeah, anything, whatever. She wants down with Jessa
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Hastings. Like, I don't think this is
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anywhere near that level at all. I think this is two people who
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probably have had a misunderstanding and come across
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wrong on social media and hopefully.
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They've learnt a lesson from it, like you said.
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Hopefully next time that KM Moranova will think I'm going to
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DM this lass, you know? Yeah.
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Why did everyone else need to see that?
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We didn't really, but I personally think, yeah, they do.
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Authors do need to be be careful using real world events.
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I don't think that means they shouldn't use real world events.
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I think what it comes down to is research.
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So part of what we talked about before as well is how fast books
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are being pumped out. And I do think that is evident
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when it comes to things that have a real world reflection or
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real world events are in in the book.
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Because you can tell the difference between someone who
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has researched for years and years like RF Kwang compared to
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someone who has maybe written something in six weeks, six
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months and pumped it out. I definitely think research is
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key and sensitivity readers are key.
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And you should be listening to those people because you can.
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You unfortunately, you can tell the difference, like when you
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listen to RF Kwang do an interview about the sources and
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the inspiration behind her books.
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It's so comprehensive. Very well thought out.
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Very well thought out and you can see those influences in the
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books you read. You know, hearing her talk about
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Catabasis and then reading it was so fascinating because I
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could put all of those pieces of what she researched into it as I
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was reading it. So I think that's another thing
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that comes down to it is if you're going to do it, do it
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well and research it hard. Yeah, definitely, definitely
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wasn't near a grey area to be thought about.
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And in case there is any misunderstanding about our
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political positioning, we hate Trump and we hate reform.
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Yeah. So unfollow us if you don't like
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those statements. Because that is not going to
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change. Ever OK, so moving on to the
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next next thing. And we've spoken about this so
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many times. It came up a few times last year
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but we never actually ended up talking about it on the pod.
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And yet again, I saw another video about this literally last
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week and poor fucking Victoria Aviard.
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Aviard. I don't know how Aviard has had
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to speak out again on her TikTok about someone calling her out
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for copying Powerless. I just need to explain for the
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bimbos that are leaving these comments on Victoria's platform,
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OK, check publishing dates. It's really, it's really that
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simple. And poor Victoria Aviard, if you
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don't know what this is about, she wrote a book 10 years ago
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called The Red Queen. Lauren Roberts wrote Powerless
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three years ago. Four years ago, yeah.
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Roughly that. However, people keep attacking
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Victoria Ebiard on her social media online, basically saying
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that she's that she has ripped off powerless with her book the
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Red Queen. And that series, that series is
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like a five book series, like I said that she released 10 years
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ago. Lauren Roberts wrote her book
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three or four years ago. And let's not even dive into the
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fact that actually Lauren so Lauren Roberts book is actually
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a RIP off of Red Queen. I mean mixed with The Hunger
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Games. They.
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Literally say that in the marketing.
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That's the most frustrating part.
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On the back of the book it says Red Queen meets Hunger Games.
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Does that not tell you which one?
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Came out first, so yeah, I just, I get so frustrated about that
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situation. I feel terrible.
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For her, I mean, you know how I feel about this because when I
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read that book when it came out, we did it as a book club.
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I did a negative review that went very viral and people were
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not happy with my thoughts because.
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That was so funny. I literally got death threats
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because I said I didn't like it and it was a RIP off of Hunger
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Games and I hadn't even read Red Queen at that point so I didn't
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even know how similar it was to Red Queen and and everyone was
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fuming at me. And then Fast forward two years
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now a lot of people say that and there was this one specific
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girl. I'll have to see if I can find
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the video to link it. Who did a full video comparing
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line for line? Like exact quotes that are from
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Red Queen in Powerless and also other books that had been in
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like she'd taken inspiration from.
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And Lauren Roberts has literally said herself that it was written
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originally as a fanfic of Hunger Games and Red Queen, and then it
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got picked up for trad publishing.
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And I just think from the publishers that is also really
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irresponsible because you're almost like capitalizing on
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plagiarism. And I know that's a big
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discussion in book talk at the moment as well because of like
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the Germany rewrites and things like that.
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But it frustrates me no end when I see these comments because the
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book isn't even good. Sorry, but it's not, it's not
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good. And I just feel so bad for
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Victoria because she's so classy with it.
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She is. She's.
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So she takes it all on the chin so well, she really.
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Does she does? And it's a name.
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Thing and I also just feel like most of the time the people
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leaving these comments are about 17.
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I was about to say, don't you just think that sometimes the
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people online, the people consuming the books, they forget
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the authors are real people? 100% that's what.
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It feels like they forget that there's someone behind that
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account with real feelings. That's like really hard to write
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that book or that series. And like you said, it just takes
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a simple bit of research. It's so quick to find out that
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actually Red Queen came ten years prior.
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Yeah, it's mad. People will research a
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restaurant on Google for 100 hours to find the right place to
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go and eat, but yet they can't simply Google.
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When were these books published? Well even just check them.
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It's just it's to me like you said, even with like the quotes
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on it. Like Hunger Games meets Red
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Queen is literal fucking common sense in most cases.
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It's crazy. But honestly guys, don't get me
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started on this one because I don't like the book anyway.
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I know loads of people love it. If you love it at home, I'm
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really sorry. I'm not shitting on you.
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I hate that, but with a visceral passion.
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There, I said it. I actually recently unprivated
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that video as well. You know how I put it.
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You know how I put it on. Originally, when that video went
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private, I was like, I can't be dealing with these comments
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anymore. People are crazy.
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You're back in your. Sassy girl.
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Yeah, I feel like a Zola would call.
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It now I'm like, do you know what?
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If you want to say horrible things, go for it.
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I stick by my opinion on that book.
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Yeah, I think, yeah, I think it's hard sometimes if you're in
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a funny headspace and you've got a video where people are getting
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a bit negative about things. I'll never forget I've posted
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this video on my personal TikTok about using IKEA childcare for
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an hour free to just like clear my headspace.
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And some woman was like, Oh yeah, just get strangers to look
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after your kids, why don't you? Real good mum.
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And I'm like. Excuse me guys, I used to do
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face painting for kids at IKEA. We are all very properly vetted.
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I used to love when people brought their kids over.
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OK, it made my day go quicker anyway.
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Just. Wild people just forget.
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I think people are just crazy. But anyway, anyway.
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Coming away from the drama now, shall we talk about books we've
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enjoyed so far this year before we spiral too far down the
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negativity rabbit hole? Yep.
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They're absolutely because we know that will and sat here for
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another hour and this is supposed to be a short episode
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for you guys. Yeah, true.
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OK, give it to me. Hit me with the ones you've been
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doing me. Yeah, OK.
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So I'll go through it super quick, but I've read 6 books so
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far this year. Yeah, 1-ID NF, really popular.
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The Night Prince, which is the second book to The Wolf King.
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Oh, I didn't. Know you DNF?
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That do you know what first book was fun.
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I was obviously in the right mood for it.
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But this year I'm very much in like a plot forward fantasy vibe
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and that is very much about the romance and it just I still gave
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it like two or three stars actually, even though DNF D.
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It that girl that. I know.
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Someone commented on our episode last year saying you DNF D it
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and gave it three stars. I'm DNF ING this episode so
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she's going to be she's going to be cursing us again if she's
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still. Here so I I think that I get why
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people like it and that's why I didn't give it a one star
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because it's a good time and the romance is great, but it just
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wasn't for me at the moment. I have also read Breathe with
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me, Becca Mack 5 stars. Anyone that has known me on
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booktop for a long time will know that Heartless has been my
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number one romance for so long. Literally the girls even like
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bound an extra copy of it for me as a wedding gift.
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But breathe with me has actually overtaken it because it was just
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so emotional, so raw, so well done.
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Beckham Mattress did an absolutely phenomenal job of
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that book like Roman Empire book, so that was fantastic.
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I also read Dire Bound which was finally, finally really good.
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Absolutely understand the height.
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Totally get it. Bronte was right.
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I fucking devoured it. Couldn't put it down, was
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obsessed. Can't wait for Fury bound.
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And then I also read A Scar on the Bone, which is the sequel to
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A Fire in the Sky, which is now a completed geology.
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Yep, Yep, Yep. Such a good time.
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Dragons, witches. That world is building out, in
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case you didn't know. So we're going to get more books
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in that universe, which I'm very excited for.
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I think Sophie Jordan's writing and fantasy is really easy to
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consume for people trying to get into fantasy.
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It's just, it's just a good time.
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And then I also just read Go Me because one of my things for
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this year was to actually read some of my fairy loot books.
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And I got We Who Will Die in my romance subscription this year.
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And I actually picked it up at the same month that I got it.
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And it's like ancient Rome and gladiators meet serpent and the
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wings of night. There's like people with magic,
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there's humans and there's vampires.
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It's just a really good time. I actually listened to an audio
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book and it was done in Duet. Troy Duran, who did Ruthless
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Boys of the Zodiac, was the male narrator in it.
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It's just a good time, nothing groundbreaking.
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It wasn't like, you know, 4th Wing Dire Bound, but it was
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really good fun time to read. Yeah.
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So I've had an actually quite a good start to the year for books
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so far. And I'm also reading Heavenly
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Bodies, which is a good time at the moment.
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Though you're doing well, I'm not doing so well.
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I'm in a reading slump. However, before the reading
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slump I did read 4 books. This year so far I have had one
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five star read which was If it makes you happy this is.
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Her effect? For three types of people, 1
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Gilmore Girls lovers, 2 Abby Jimenez lovers, and three lovers
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of the single dad trope. Because it is all three of those
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things. Yeah, perfect.
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So it's set in the 90s and it is about a woman that moves to this
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small town to take over her late mother's Airbnb.
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That's very modern of me. B&B and it's she moves next door
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to this single dad with two girls and it is very much like
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if you flipped Luke and Lorelai in Gilmore Girls.
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The town is so quaint and so autumnal.
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It's definitely has that star's hollow feeling.
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There's like loads of 90s music references, but the writing
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style is very similar to Abby Jimenez.
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And the romance relationship is very similar to Abby Jimenez in
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the fact that the love interest is like a green flag.
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He's such a good guy. It's just the most cozy,
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wholesome book and it's also not annoying in any way.
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Like it doesn't have an annoying.
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I'm wondering if this means I'm gonna hate it.
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I know. I really can't decide if you're
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gonna like it, especially because you don't have the
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Gilmore Girls attachment. Yes.
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I love single dad and I do like Abby Jimenez so.
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Yeah. So I don't know.
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I can't work out if you don't. Like it or not, I'm going to
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have to try it. Yeah, I mean, I gave it five
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stars, so she's probably going to give it two or three because
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our romance taste, as you know, is very different.
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I have also done Breathe With Me Like tour with big Becca Mac
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fans. I really enjoyed this book.
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Was it my favorite in the series?
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No, but I still loved it. I still had a really great time.
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I still cried. Becca Mac is queen of making me
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cry. And yeah, it was a great
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conclusion to the series. But another book that I've
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really loved, which is really out of my wheelhouse was a book
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called Sugar Town. And basically I just kind of
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read this on a whim. It wasn't on my TBRI.
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Saw it on 99 P deals and it said it was an Irish debut author who
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has been nominated for quite a few awards with this book.
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And it was for fans of normal people and I had just read that
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five star romance. I tried to to read another book
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that I wasn't really getting into, so I kind of wanted
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something a bit different. And I read that and I absolutely
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loved it, gave it 4.5 stars. But honestly, I haven't stopped
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thinking about it since I've read it.
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Really simple Plot is about a girl who breaks up with her
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boyfriend in London, so has to move back to her mom's house in
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like rural island where she had a difficult teenage upbringing.
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And then she kind of reverts back into that toxic teenage
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lifestyle because she's under her mother's roof.
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Her mom's got remarried and had two little girls that she feels
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like she's not a part of. And it's just this, like, sad
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girl book about sad girls. You know, like, it makes you
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sad, but it's about sad people. However, it was really well
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written, relatable, especially with, like, the parent dynamics
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and stuff like that. And it was just something a bit
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different. And I, I really enjoyed it even
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though it's not, you know, my usual fantasy romance or
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romancing. Yeah.
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Yeah, love this for you. Yeah, so three out of four of
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the books I've read have been good.
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Nice. Yeah, I love this.
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So that's the books we've read so far this year.
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What are you excited for in 2026?
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I never thought I'd say this, but the book I'm most excited
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for this year is The Knave and the Moon, which is the sequel to
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The Knight and the Moth. I did not love One Dark Window,
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so the fact that I am now so obsessed with the Rachel Gillig
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book and so excited for the sequel is crazy.
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But it's just so me in a sense, it's really gothic.
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It has a lot of like religious imagery and Old English
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inspiration. There's comedy side characters,
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there's like tragic backstories. There's just everything in it
22:35
that I love. So I'm really excited,
22:38
especially because this is going to round out the duology.
22:41
So it's going to be. Oh, it's just a duology, is it?
22:43
I do love a duology. And just don't drag it out too
22:46
long, you know? So I'm excited to see how it
22:48
concludes. I'm also really excited for, I
22:52
think it's called. I can picture the letters in my
22:54
head, but I think it's called Emerata by Ava Reed.
22:58
Oh yeah. So this is Ava Reed's upcoming
23:00
book. I have got an ARC of it so I
23:02
will update at some point. This, if I remember correctly,
23:06
is also Gothic romanticity, and I feel like that's what she does
23:10
best. Yeah.
23:11
So I'm hopeful that I'm going to love this one.
23:14
I didn't love a theory of dreaming it was.
23:18
A big let down for you wasn't. It big let down, but then I read
23:21
Fable for the end of the world and really enjoyed that, so I'm
23:24
hopeful I'm going to enjoy this one.
23:26
And then the third and final one for me is the sequel to Die
23:31
Bound, which is Fury. Bound.
23:33
Just because I loved book 1 so much.
23:34
It was a fun time. Really easy read, packed full of
23:37
action, quite fast-paced like it's a.
23:39
Good. The pacing was so good in die
23:41
bound. I think that's what made it so
23:43
good was it was just, it wasn't like it wasn't so quick that you
23:46
were like what the Hell's going on?
23:48
But just the actual pacing was done so well.
23:51
Yeah. And it was really addictive.
23:53
That was the fastest I read a book, I think all last year
23:55
because I read it in like one night.
23:58
Tipped you? Yeah, I don't do that very often
24:00
these days as well. So yeah.
24:02
So good. But I need to.
24:04
I need to find my list because I did write them down because I
24:07
knew that I'd forget. Let's be realistic.
24:10
I'm impressed that I remembered mine off the top of my head
24:13
because mine are in my phone as well.
24:14
So I've actually, I've actually, I've actually got more than
24:18
three, but Fury bound is on my list as well.
24:20
So you know, we'll forget about that one because we just spoke
24:24
about it in her own league, which is the spin off from the
24:27
Windy City series. I'm so excited for this book.
24:31
We got introduced to the characters in the series and
24:34
it's just going to be a fun time.
24:36
The dad energy in this book, and he's an older dad as well.
24:41
Silk Fox. Like I'm, I'm going to be all
24:43
about that life Light wielder. Oh yeah.
24:45
Which is the sequel to Metal Slinger.
24:48
I am literally frothing at the mouth of that book.
24:50
I cannot wait to read it. Yeah, that should have been on
24:53
my list really too. Daybreak should have also been
24:56
on your list. Oh my gosh, yes, that is
24:59
criminal. Of Me, the sequel to Nightshade.
25:02
We are getting that this year and that is going to be such a
25:05
good time. I hope I can't wait.
25:07
And do you know what else I've missed?
25:09
The Ballad of the Fallen Dragons.
25:10
That is also on my list. I am out of it guys.
25:13
Ballad of the Ballad of Falling Dragons is the sequel to When
25:17
the Moon Hatched. I am definitely going to have to
25:20
do a reread of when the moon hatched because I can't remember
25:24
everything that happened and it's very much When the Moon
25:27
Hatch is definitely like more what I would call like high
25:31
fantasy meets, you know, an element of romance over.
25:36
It's not just like a simple, easy to consume romance to see
25:39
book. There's a lot going on in it.
25:41
There's a lot of world building. There's a lot of past history
25:44
that you have to remember. There's a lot of different types
25:46
of creatures that it's difficult to remember the difference of.
25:49
Yeah, I need to reread as well. And my final one I have on here
25:53
is The Wretched Divine. And this is Adeline Grace's
25:58
newest release. I believe it's her debut adult
26:01
fantasy I. Think that's right?
26:03
I was very lucky enough to meet her at a book event for
26:09
Phantasma's author, Kaylee Smith.
26:11
They're actually really good friends, and I actually got a
26:13
sneak peek at the cover of the book.
26:18
I don't think I can say anything about it, but the vibes, it was
26:21
just, it was just. It's made you excited.
26:23
Yeah, 100%. It's really made me excited.
26:26
I think it's going to be a great book.
26:27
I personally really love Adeline Grace's writing.
26:29
I know that you didn't like Belladonna, but that wasn't
26:33
really about the writing. It was the.
26:34
Writing. No.
26:35
It was more of like how slow I found the plot and then like I
26:39
didn't love the fact that the love interest potentially knew
26:43
her from a baby. It just icked me out a bit.
26:46
I didn't hate it, actually. That's the idea.
26:49
And after I didn't. Hate it.
26:50
Yeah, she did. But it wasn't the writing.
26:52
I actually quite like to write him.
26:54
The other thing I'm excited for, which we don't actually have a
26:57
release or any information of, but it was on a group chat with
27:02
Helen Shura last year as part of a read along with Pan Mac and
27:06
she did hint at that she is writing something new.
27:09
And I'm absolutely obsessed with Blood and Steel, the Ashes of
27:13
Desmar series, the Legends of Desmar series.
27:16
So I'm very excited to see what we get from Helen this year as
27:19
well because she's a fantastic author.
27:20
Do. You know what I've just
27:21
remembered as well? The Twisted Sisters have just
27:24
teased a new book relating to the Solaria world.
27:28
Yes, and I thought about that. What is that going to be?
27:32
Because it doesn't sound like it's going to be the next
27:35
wanting this Never keep echo. No, because I'm excited for
27:37
that. That's called Cinder Veil, but
27:39
really that's that's coming in a few months.
27:41
I think it. Sounds separate, right?
27:42
It sounds like it's going back. To, because that's not actually
27:45
part of Solaria. No, it's like same universe but
27:48
not Solaria. They said think of it as like
27:50
Solaria is America and the never keep world is like Europe.
27:54
Kind of thing. Yeah.
27:55
So I wonder what that's going to be.
27:57
I'm quite excited for that. I don't know who knows when that
27:59
so many things to look forward to this year.
28:01
Feel like it is a really good year for book releases.
28:04
Yep. Book releases, TV releases, Film
28:07
releases. Yeah, and we have actually just
28:09
done an episode on book and TV adaptations, if you want to go
28:13
and listen to that. Yeah.
28:14
So yes. We promised you it'd be a quick
28:17
episode, and I feel like we've made it a quick episode.
28:19
Yeah, we have. We have a waffle too much.
28:21
Well done on round of applause. Pat on the.
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Back. Yeah.
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So that's a wrap for today. We'll see you in another two
28:26
weeks. Don't forget to like, comment,
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