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HR2: Live from Training Camp 2026 Day 2 · In the Locker Room presented by Neighborhood Ford Store (Pittsburgh Steelers)

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  Speaker 2: And thank you very much for being with us in
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  Speaker 2: the locker room here on the Steelers Audio Network alongside
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  Speaker 2: Max Starks. I'm rob king fields. You're getting cleaned up.
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  Speaker 2: And they did a great job.
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  Speaker 3: Hey now, because that's today right, you can't even tell
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  Speaker 3: it's there.
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  Speaker 2: No, they did a great job patching up the field,
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  Speaker 2: their beautiful fields here at Saint Vincent College. Another good
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  Speaker 2: crowd in attendance, you know, cheering, you know, Will Howard
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  Speaker 2: made a great throw up to see him and everybody
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  Speaker 2: you know, jumped up and cheered.
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  Speaker 4: It was fun stuff, exciting stuff. We looked for.
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  Speaker 3: We looked for the big moments, right yeah, and our
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  Speaker 3: fans are definitely very in tuned and ready for those.
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  Speaker 2: Uh. Aaron Rodgers through a long ball and a sprawling
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  Speaker 2: attempt up the left sideline into the end zone for
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  Speaker 2: Roman Wilson did not.
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  Speaker 4: Hang on Roman Wilson. Gotta get that.
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  Speaker 3: Gotta get when we talk about, hey, there's moments where
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  Speaker 3: we're putting trust in you.
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  Speaker 4: That's one. He had the one on one. It was
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  Speaker 4: cover three and he.
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  Speaker 3: Had a step on the dB and then he brought
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  Speaker 3: the ball, hauled it in but did not survive the ground.
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  Speaker 2: So Riley, now Atkowskin, I'm bringing him up only because
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  Speaker 2: it was evident they were doing a special teams drill
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  Speaker 2: and he jumped and he turned around and ran off
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  Speaker 2: and he knew he was done. So is that has
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  Speaker 2: that been standard in with all the coaches or is
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  Speaker 2: that is that one of those little stickler attention to
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  Speaker 2: details thing. That's that's that Mike McCarthy's on.
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  Speaker 4: That's that standard issue?
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  Speaker 3: Okay, Yeah, yeah, especially a special teams like like your
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  Speaker 3: margin era is less than zero. Right, So if you
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  Speaker 3: do that and you were gonna have Danny in your
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  Speaker 3: ear chewing twenty seven pieces of of double bubble yelling
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  Speaker 3: at you the entire time, they were going to replace
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  Speaker 3: the guy in the drill. So this is just kind
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  Speaker 3: of more modus operandi, especially like if you mess up
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  Speaker 3: once boom, you're gone, next guy up and you just
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  Speaker 3: move forward. But I think for Mike McCarthy, this is
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  Speaker 3: part of that detail oriented nature yep, like you should
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  Speaker 3: know that you messed up and that you're out of
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  Speaker 3: the drill.
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  Speaker 4: I shouldn't have to tell you. Yeah, turn jock off.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: By the way, less than zero maybe my favorite Elvis
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  Speaker 2: cuss tell As song. Yeah, great song. So anyway, we
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  Speaker 2: were talking about Mike McCarthy. So one of the things
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  Speaker 2: that was brought up at the press conference this morning was, okay,
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  Speaker 2: so how do you make sure in a physical game
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  Speaker 2: your guys are physically ready when you're not And again physical,
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  Speaker 2: it's not contact sport, max.
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  Speaker 4: It is a.
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  Speaker 2: Colligious exactly, So how do you make sure they're ready
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  Speaker 2: for those collisions? And Mike McCarthy said, look, we just
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  Speaker 2: don't bring guys to the ground there's there's some hitting
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  Speaker 2: going on out there. In fact, you know, tackling and breaking,
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  Speaker 2: breaking tackles is one of our Steelers six.
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  Speaker 4: And so somebody was like, okay, so what are the
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  Speaker 4: Steeler six? What are the other parts to that six?
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  Speaker 2: So here here is Mike McCarthy's answer to that question
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  Speaker 2: this morning at the press conference.
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  Speaker 5: Primary fundamental. We call it the Steeler six. You know,
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  Speaker 5: we have six fundamentals Steeler football of emphasized. Obviously, tackling
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  Speaker 5: and breaking tackles is one of those six. So those
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  Speaker 5: six fundamentals are emphasized daily. We have a period just
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  Speaker 5: fourteen fundamentals to emphasize that. So, you know, doing it
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  Speaker 5: for a long time, I have great confidence and frankly,
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  Speaker 5: evaluating the team last year, you know, I think that's
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  Speaker 5: definitely I would say, is an asset, you know, moving forward.
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  Speaker 5: So it is a veteran team. But we have preseason
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  Speaker 5: games too, you know, so that's that's always part of it.
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  Speaker 5: Who plays the preseason who doesn't, So I mean all
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  Speaker 5: those things are discussed and I think that's why I'll
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  Speaker 5: continue to say there's a systematic approach to everything we do.
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  Speaker 5: You know, we have a plan. But the plan has
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  Speaker 5: proactive adjustice that it gives us in a systematic mindset.
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  Speaker 4: You share the other five? Do you share?
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  Speaker 2: The other five have.
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  Speaker 5: Ball security, obviously taking care of it, extracting it. Ball
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  Speaker 5: security is number one. Blocking, obviously, sustaining break you know,
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  Speaker 5: obviously getting off blocks, already hit, tackling about big plays
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  Speaker 5: as a fundamentals. You can't win in the National Football
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  Speaker 5: League without big playsers, you know, each game. If you
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  Speaker 5: look at the league average average is about thirty six
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  Speaker 5: a game. So, uh so you get you got it.
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  Speaker 5: You gotta emphasize it. The finish, the pursuit and finish
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  Speaker 5: is clearly a big part of that too. But and
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  Speaker 5: one that we you know, spend a lot of time in,
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  Speaker 5: particularly because the way we have to train more than
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  Speaker 5: everyone else seas and is the mannerisms. Mannerisms in disguise
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  Speaker 5: is a big part of pro football. I think it's
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  Speaker 5: particularly coming from the quarterback position. You know my history,
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  Speaker 5: you spend time there. But you know, the games evolved
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  Speaker 5: that way. We're both sides of the of the ball
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  Speaker 5: are doing it a lot more here and seeing it
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  Speaker 5: more on special teams. So those are the six you know,
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  Speaker 5: fundamentals of stair the football.
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  Speaker 4: Wow.
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  Speaker 2: You know, uh, this is clearly stuff that he's thought out.
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  Speaker 2: It's clearly a philosophy that he wants to bring to
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  Speaker 2: the team. You know, one of the things that a
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  Speaker 2: lot of people have talked about observers around the team
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  Speaker 2: is the attention to detail that Mike McCarthy has in
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  Speaker 2: his approach to football and expect from his team as well.
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  Speaker 3: And I think this is, like you said, it goes
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  Speaker 3: with what I'm I'm coining as the academic approach to football.
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  Speaker 4: Right.
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  Speaker 3: This is football through two of to football three oh three.
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  Speaker 3: This is upper level football if you're taking the class right.
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  Speaker 3: And this is one of those things where you see
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  Speaker 3: the Steelers six, it's like it's like a poster board
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  Speaker 3: the teachers.
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  Speaker 2: Absolutely.
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  Speaker 4: I wonder if it's gonna be off.
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  Speaker 3: I think it's probably up in the team room, maybe
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  Speaker 3: not in the locker room, but I think it's definitely
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  Speaker 3: something that I'll go investigate further. But you have to
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  Speaker 3: believe if you're calling it the Steelers six, like all
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  Speaker 3: those things have to be. And you know, we had
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  Speaker 3: a similar thing where we had kind of five points
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  Speaker 3: of emphasis every week on offensive side of the football
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  Speaker 3: that Bruce Arians introduced. You know, you had to have
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  Speaker 3: you know, penalty free. You had to be at least
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  Speaker 3: ten exposive plays a game. You have to also pre
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  Speaker 3: snap you know, no pre snap penalties. We kind of
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  Speaker 3: had these different areas. You had to hit running backs,
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  Speaker 3: you know, have to be an efficiency. Offensive line has
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  Speaker 3: to have you know, the least amount of ems, and
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  Speaker 3: you kind of and win the time of possession. Like
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  Speaker 3: there was these tenants that he had and so to
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  Speaker 3: have this and kind of this be a team ethos.
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  Speaker 3: I think it's something that's probably gonna be up and
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  Speaker 3: it all makes sense. I mean, they're all tangible things
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  Speaker 3: and things. When you put them in writing, it makes
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  Speaker 3: it easier to know if you're above or below the line.
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  Speaker 4: Right, So, did you do your job or not?
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  Speaker 2: One of the things that I so, I was sitting
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  Speaker 2: next to Brooke prior at the press conference this morning,
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  Speaker 2: and when it was done, I said, Brooke, did he
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  Speaker 2: say three to six big plays or did he say
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  Speaker 2: thirty six big plays? And then I asked Jerry do
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  Speaker 2: Lak Brooks said, I don't know. I wasn't sure because
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  Speaker 2: I wasn't sure. And then I was talking about it
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  Speaker 2: with Jerry, Well, three to six seem too little and
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  Speaker 2: thirty six seem too big. But again the other thing
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  Speaker 2: is what do you define as a big play? Do
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  Speaker 2: you define it as a run of ten or more yards,
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  Speaker 2: a catch of twenty more yards is or different ways
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  Speaker 2: to define it. So in that one, I was listening
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  Speaker 2: very carefully to hear it back again. Thirty six big
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  Speaker 2: plays a game. So he knows the number that means.
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  Speaker 4: Plays a game.
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  Speaker 3: What happened, and that's and he has to remember that
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  Speaker 3: is offense, defense, and special teams. Right, So you're splitting
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  Speaker 3: up between so and just I said our goal on
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  Speaker 3: offense from week to week, where Bruce Herrins was ten.
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  Speaker 3: So you know you think about that if you're breaking
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  Speaker 3: it up into three different segments twelve apiece, right, that
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  Speaker 3: you have to be able to create. And I think
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  Speaker 3: the exposive players might be fifteen yards of more in
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  Speaker 3: a reception, right, so ten yard run, fifteen yard reception,
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  Speaker 3: then probably a sack, strip fumble, big explosive play on
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  Speaker 3: the return game, or a big or a big stop
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  Speaker 3: you know on the coverage game.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, how do you define big play exactly?
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  Speaker 3: So, yeah, that would be one that I had that,
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  Speaker 3: and Mike pursuit and I actually talked about it because
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  Speaker 3: he had to say that. He's like, now he said
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  Speaker 3: three to six. I'm like, well, we weren't really get
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  Speaker 3: I said thirty six. Yeah, it just goes to show.
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  Speaker 3: And I was like, in a game between and you say, also,
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  Speaker 3: that's three segments, but then there's the other team, right,
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  Speaker 3: So to get thirty six between two teams and essentially
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  Speaker 3: six segments of football is not that much. Right when
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  Speaker 3: you break it into that, you know six times six
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  Speaker 3: is thirty six. So you're saying if each team has
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  Speaker 3: thirty or twenty, you know it, I'm sorry, eighteen apiece, right,
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  Speaker 3: and the split between three segments, like, that's not that big.
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  Speaker 3: But you want to win the battle of thirty six, right.
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  Speaker 3: You want to be on the positive side. You want
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  Speaker 3: to be at nineteen to twenty, and the other teams
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  Speaker 3: at sixteen are below.
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  Speaker 2: So if you get ten on offense, they get ten
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  Speaker 2: on offense. That's twenty even less snaps on special teams.
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  Speaker 2: Let's say it's two each on special teams. Now you're
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  Speaker 2: twenty four. Now it means each team gets six on defense.
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  Speaker 2: So you're right again, how you.
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  Speaker 3: Define the past defense could probably be in that how
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  Speaker 3: do you define sack a tackle for loss?
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  Speaker 4: Like? So, I think it would be good if somebody follows.
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  Speaker 3: Up and asks what exactly a you're determining as a
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  Speaker 3: big play, because I think that also helps make that
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  Speaker 3: thirty six look more conceivable.
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  Speaker 4: Right, I'm fascinated to know that. Yeah, fascinatings.
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  Speaker 3: I would love to ask him, but I'm not in
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  Speaker 3: the press conference because'm getting ready for.
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  Speaker 4: You're up here there.
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  Speaker 3: That's right, you're up there and I'm down there, and
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  Speaker 3: it's trusting. I'm trusting you, Robb to raise your hand
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  Speaker 3: and talked to Mike McCarthy.
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  Speaker 2: But it is and look, I'm sure there's no question
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  Speaker 2: Mike Tomlin had attention to detail. It's just we are
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  Speaker 2: and again, like you said, we are used to the tomlinisms.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I was talking to somebody on the baseball
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  Speaker 2: side of my job and talking about we're talking about it,
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  Speaker 2: you know one of our our analyst kids, and you
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  Speaker 2: know how aggressive he was playing football, And I said, well,
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  Speaker 2: Mike Tomlin always said I'd rather say woe than sick
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  Speaker 2: of them. Yeah, no, you know so, so so that's
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  Speaker 2: a good. So we have all these things we've heard
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  Speaker 2: from Mike tom and we heard him for two decades
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  Speaker 2: of Mike Tomlin talking about things, and his philosophy on
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  Speaker 2: football shown through in some of those things.
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  Speaker 4: This is a very uh, this is.
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  Speaker 2: A a different way of presenting it. You know, it's
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  Speaker 2: still football, right, and we'll see still see how it's
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  Speaker 2: manifested out there. But it's exciting just to hear it
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  Speaker 2: in a different way because look, I always was excited
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  Speaker 2: to hear Mike I would talk because he had he
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  Speaker 2: was an interesting guy the way he phrased things. Had
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  Speaker 2: he had and talked about.
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  Speaker 4: PhD and wordsmanship. Yeah, that's right. That's so. It's like
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  Speaker 4: we're essentially listened to we've listened to a professor for.
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  Speaker 3: Nineteen years, right, preach theory, philosophy and kind of broad
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  Speaker 3: abstract culture. Whereas now you have a teacher, right that's
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  Speaker 3: giving it to you directly as it is. There's no
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  Speaker 3: room for interpretation this this I'm talking plainly to you.
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  Speaker 3: However you digest this is what it means at the
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  Speaker 3: end of the day.
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  Speaker 4: My word ends all.
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  Speaker 3: So you're getting teacher versus professor, practical application knowledge versus
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  Speaker 3: theoretical and you had to figure out the application. That's
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  Speaker 3: what I look at it as is coming from a
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  Speaker 3: family of teachers.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a really good analogy.
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  Speaker 2: And you know, the other thing is that like much
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  Speaker 2: like we're discussing, it's it's very funny because you know,
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  Speaker 2: I'm looking at the Rogers Center now from out of
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  Speaker 2: our window, and Max was directly behind me up on
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  Speaker 2: the set on the top of the hill with Mike Pursuda.
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  Speaker 2: The whole thirty six or three to six, that conversation
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  Speaker 2: was going on in both those places. Well, one of
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  Speaker 2: the things that you know, I normally sit right next
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  Speaker 2: to Bob Labriola, and there are people in the press
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  Speaker 2: box here that are being entertained at here at Saint
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  Speaker 2: Vincent College, and so today there wasn't anybody up there,
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  Speaker 2: so that allowed me to spread out my notes. I
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  Speaker 2: was going to take some notes, and I was going
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  Speaker 2: to jot these things down, and I'm like, this practice.
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  Speaker 4: Is happening way too fast.
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  Speaker 2: I can't I'm I'm jotting something down and I'm looking
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  Speaker 2: up and I'm missing something. And I'm not the only
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  Speaker 2: one who said that. Other reporters have said the exact
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  Speaker 2: same thing.
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  Speaker 3: Dulac Jerry because they're all asking each other, well, hey,
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  Speaker 3: who did this? Is always like I have to have
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  Speaker 3: a spotter, and you got to work in tandem as
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  Speaker 3: a group, Like somebody has to be constant, that's right,
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  Speaker 3: The other ones have to be constant note takers.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it is happening. These things happen really really fast
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  Speaker 2: out there. So again it's just did they happen faster
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  Speaker 2: than I'm like Tom Win? Sure, but just that extra
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  Speaker 2: ten seconds here, you know, five second zer between plays
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  Speaker 2: in between drills. It's just a different pace. Yeah, to
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  Speaker 2: practice out here, they're shorter.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And they're shorter practices too, so it's like so everything
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  Speaker 3: is like come packed it in. So it's like almost
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  Speaker 3: like you have to pick your poison, right, Am I
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  Speaker 3: gonna watch the entire practice and try and remember in
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  Speaker 3: my head? Or am I gonna try and write everything
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  Speaker 3: down and I'm probably gonna miss two to three items
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  Speaker 3: per per time that I put my eyes down on
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  Speaker 3: the pad.
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  Speaker 2: So I'm reminded of you know, and again they're both football, right,
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  Speaker 2: and they're both uh you know, great coaches who won
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  Speaker 2: Super Bowls and had success. It reminds me of remember
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  Speaker 2: the group of the Ramones, the punk group.
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  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, you know a lot. You know a lot
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  Speaker 4: of quick little songs.
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  Speaker 2: And somebody plain to their drummer they said, hey, you
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  Speaker 2: guys don't have any long songs. Guys said, oh no,
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  Speaker 2: we have lots of long songs. We're just playing really
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  Speaker 2: really fast.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So that's kind of what we're seeing here in practically
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  Speaker 2: just two different ways of going about things, so plenty
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  Speaker 2: more to get to. We want to dive more into
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  Speaker 2: the Mike McCarthy philosophy, because, let's face it, that's what
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  Speaker 2: we're gonna be watching for a while here for the
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  Speaker 2: Pittsburgh Steier is the Mike McCarthy philosophy, and again we're
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  Speaker 2: delving into what he's sharing with us as as journalists
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  Speaker 2: and radio show hosts and play by play and colored
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  Speaker 2: people and all the other sort of things. So we're
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  Speaker 2: gonna get to more of this when we continue in
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  Speaker 4: What is that thing?
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  Speaker 3: Max is a lot more that looks like a lawnmower
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  Speaker 3: that is a huge, huge and.
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  Speaker 4: It keeps all the grass carrier behind it. Yeah, that's exactly.
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  Speaker 4: I don't think that thing's gonna have to be emptied out.
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  Speaker 3: That's not a day that's technically a riding lawn more.
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  Speaker 3: But that's a riding lawn more on steroids. It's a
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  Speaker 3: it's like a golf cart. Actually it's a bigger, big way.
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  Speaker 3: It's a workman cart.
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  Speaker 4: It's a workman cart, thank you, a workman cart dragging
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  Speaker 4: behind a gigantic trimmer. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I wondered if they were like seating the grass, But
• 15:41
  Speaker 2: I guess that's a that's a mower.
• 15:43
  Speaker 3: That looks like a mower. It looks like because he's
• 15:45
  Speaker 3: leaving like a little bit of a trail behind him. Yeah,
• 15:47
  Speaker 3: all right, so I'm think of keeping the grass, you know,
• 15:50
  Speaker 3: nice low and even beautiful.
• 15:53
  Speaker 4: The fields are beautiful.
• 15:54
  Speaker 3: I had a seating, you'd have to you'd have to
• 15:55
  Speaker 3: go around like we've seen them in the past where
• 15:57
  Speaker 3: they bring the scene and then they had a little
• 15:59
  Speaker 3: like opera thing that puts it into the ground a
• 16:01
  Speaker 3: little bit. Yeah, so this this definitely looks more like
• 16:06
  Speaker 3: it's the suck cut right of lawn drimmers.
• 16:11
  Speaker 2: You know, there's something about a grass field.
• 16:15
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you know what I mean.
• 16:15
  Speaker 2: Did you grow up playing on grass or after turf?
• 16:17
  Speaker 4: I lived in Florida. There was no such thing as AstroTurf.
• 16:20
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah.
• 16:21
  Speaker 3: It was only grass and even in college at the
• 16:23
  Speaker 3: University of Florida, only grass Bermuda grass.
• 16:26
  Speaker 4: That it is.
• 16:27
  Speaker 3: I was allergic to it all were you it? I
• 16:29
  Speaker 3: probably could have done better in my in my in
• 16:31
  Speaker 3: my allergy ridden self, if I played.
• 16:34
  Speaker 2: They couldn't find anything that get They got you allergy
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: shot weekly.
• 16:37
  Speaker 3: Really oh, I took alergiy shots every week and then
• 16:39
  Speaker 3: one time I had a hitch moment, uh where they
• 16:42
  Speaker 3: put the wrong dose in and my face and everything
• 16:46
  Speaker 3: just blew up. My wife they had to send me
• 16:49
  Speaker 3: home with an EpiPen. My wife had to come pick
• 16:51
  Speaker 3: me up from work. I was like in the Steelers,
• 16:54
  Speaker 3: Oh okay, Yeah, they gave me the wrong dose, and
• 16:56
  Speaker 3: I was I was sitting there. They're like, okay, he
• 16:58
  Speaker 3: might have anaphylactic shock. Uh, anything else gets it there
• 17:02
  Speaker 3: because we gave them the wrong dose. So yeah, I've
• 17:04
  Speaker 3: definitely had those touching aulmos.
• 17:06
  Speaker 4: We have. My whole career played only on grass and
• 17:08
  Speaker 4: had to do shots every week.
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: So how do you like, how do you mow the
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: lawn or whatever?
• 17:12
  Speaker 4: Out? And I never had lawn? Do you have lawn? Now? No?
• 17:15
  Speaker 4: Because I live in the mountains and I live in
• 17:17
  Speaker 4: the desert.
• 17:18
  Speaker 3: Knew the desert, but yeah, it's like on a hill,
• 17:21
  Speaker 3: I mean hill, but you know it's part of a
• 17:23
  Speaker 3: mountain range, right, the foothills of a mountain range. So
• 17:25
  Speaker 3: I live on the hill. So I have rocks, rocks
• 17:28
  Speaker 3: and cacti. And is it all grass you're allergic to?
• 17:32
  Speaker 4: Yeah?
• 17:32
  Speaker 3: I'm allergy to every version of grass. Wow, yeah, every
• 17:35
  Speaker 3: version of grass. So and my daughters are allergic to
• 17:37
  Speaker 3: so they know I passed it on, so they so
• 17:40
  Speaker 3: they're finally in their maintenance cycle where they only have
• 17:43
  Speaker 3: to go once a month now. But yeah, but I
• 17:45
  Speaker 3: because I had such high and they played volleyball and softball.
• 17:49
  Speaker 3: The good thing about softball, my daughter's a pitcher. Uh,
• 17:52
  Speaker 3: all dirt infield always, yeah, always in softball. Baseball has
• 17:57
  Speaker 3: the grass and then you have the mounds separate. But
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: in softball, a dirt in the infield and then you
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: get grass in the outfield.
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: I guess I've never thought about that.
• 18:04
  Speaker 4: So she has to pitch almost yeah, yeah, she.
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: Has to be Oh she plays one of the bases,
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: she plays second place. Yeah, but yeah, it would it
• 18:10
  Speaker 3: bothered her if she played in the outfield. I mean,
• 18:12
  Speaker 3: it probably would if she's diving. I mean, granted at
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: her age, she's eleven, so not a lot of people
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: hitting dingers out to the outfield that often. Usually it
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: rolls through because your shortstop has missed it, or your
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: second basement's out of position and you have the running
• 18:25
  Speaker 3: you get a roller. But she's not diving to catch
• 18:28
  Speaker 3: anything right now. Older, she probably might have to if
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: she played outfield at that age.
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: By the way, if if you have a good pitcher.
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: No balls are being hit to the outfield, No balls
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: are being hit anywhere.
• 18:39
  Speaker 4: No. And and she's one. She she's ice cold when
• 18:41
  Speaker 4: she comes out there.
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: So you know, we're digressing here for a moment. But
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: having seen a little bit of that, that fast pitch
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: activity with my own daughter, it is, Uh, the two
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: most important positions are pitcher and catcher.
• 18:56
  Speaker 4: Absolutely, that's it.
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: Everybody else can be like almost could be like a
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: cardboard cutout. But if somebody gets on, you've been that
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: catcher better viable. The cat they're better.
• 19:06
  Speaker 4: You better be able to hit second base on Yeh,
• 19:09
  Speaker 4: there'll be two most important Uh. Okay, so let's let's
• 19:12
  Speaker 4: get any this point. We're back to the sport of
• 19:15
  Speaker 4: football here.
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: So we were talking about Mike McCarthy and his Steelers six.
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: He had a couple other well, he had a lot
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: of fascinating things to say. Again, just talking about things differently,
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: and when you hear him talking, you understand, you know
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: where the philosophies come from and then how that's manifested
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: out here in the practice field. So a lot of
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: discussion about like you were talking about, you know, position,
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: flexibility to play. Uh, the X, the Y, the Z
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: receiver positions, for example, because you get into two minute
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: drills and fans might be saying, okay, well that's only
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: the last two minutes of the game. So Mike McCarthy
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: today was talking about how the fact that seventeen games
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: on average eight come down the last series of the
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: game eight. That's incredible.
• 20:04
  Speaker 4: Max.
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: And by the way, Mike Tomlin is always great about that, right,
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: always really really good at one score games. But but
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: and so I'm sure you had different ways of doing that.
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: These are again just different ways of presenting and talking
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: about it. He said, eight games. He goes, we're the Steelers,
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: We're gonna get everybody's best shot. That might be ten
• 20:22
  Speaker 2: out of seventeen games for the Steelers. And then you
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: understand why the philosophy if you better play the X,
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: Y Z, why the philosophy of we're gonna work a
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: lot on two minute drills. They were working on the
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: lateral drill yesterday. You know, you have that last play
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: of the game, you throw it out city. Yeah, you're
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: trying to ladder all your way down the field and
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: and you know, like the the col Stanford game and
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: do all those kind of things. Why because of that
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: statistic and that bit of knowledge, you know, sort of
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: dictating what you're gonna do here in a practice field
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: and dictating how you're gonna you know, present things to
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: your team as well.
• 21:01
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and I think that's one of the keys.
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: You know, it's operations is what it comes down to. Yeah,
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: how do you how do you operate under pressure? The
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: more we do it, the less pressure it becomes. And
• 21:14
  Speaker 3: we talked about this earlier, second nature just reacting and
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: not having to think about it.
• 21:20
  Speaker 4: We rehearses said, we're in the first two days of practice.
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: They've run two minute drill to culminate practice both days, right,
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: and it's been different situations.
• 21:28
  Speaker 4: You got the guy on the bullhorn eight third and
• 21:30
  Speaker 4: twelve and twenty seven second. We've got to have a
• 21:32
  Speaker 4: touchdown to win it.
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: They have all these different scenarios that they're bullhorning out and.
• 21:36
  Speaker 4: You have to be ready.
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: You have to be able to go when there's a
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: completion in bounce, boom, right on the line, get the
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: ball back to the referee. None of that kind of
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: hot dogging it. You know, we had that, We had that.
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: I'll tell you a specific situation Minnesota Ben's last year,
• 21:51
  Speaker 3: and we had the and we had the drive, the
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: two minute drive to go ahead and win it. Well
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: we had old maple Tron there. I forgot now forgot
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: his name, but I mabele Tron stuck in my head
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: because of good old Craig wolf Lee giving it, giving it,
• 22:04
  Speaker 3: giving everybody a nickname. You know, he was kind of
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: like talking and putting the first down. I was like, no, man,
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: we got twenty seven seconds, get get on the ball.
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: Stop show.
• 22:13
  Speaker 3: But and then he dropped the ball and then the
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: dude kicked it, so you lost about five to six seconds.
• 22:17
  Speaker 4: And then even though Ben's was still able to make it,
• 22:19
  Speaker 4: try to hit firemooth.
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: Split in two defenders and then missed his hands. Just
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: imagine the game ended on that. If you had those
• 22:25
  Speaker 3: five to second seven seconds left, you might have had
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: one more shot at going for the touchdown. Like all
• 22:30
  Speaker 3: those little situations matter in the in the process. And
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: I think that's something that you know, the more you
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: do it here, the more reactive you can be in game,
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: unless you have to think about it because you know that,
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: Oh my job is if I caught the ball, I
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: get down in bounds. I can't get out of bounds,
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: get it right back to the run, to the line
• 22:46
  Speaker 3: of scrimmage, give it to the referee to set it,
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: and then go get in my position whatever.
• 22:50
  Speaker 4: The quarterback barks out yep. So it was uh, it
• 22:54
  Speaker 4: was uh, Chase, there we go, There we go. I
• 22:58
  Speaker 4: try to Chase.
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: I was trying to look this up here while we
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: were talking. I believe when they traded him to the Bears.
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: Is that the pick that got Joey Porter Junior, if
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: I'm not mistake, Yes, it was number one overall in
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: the second round. Was is really the thirty second pick
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: because the Dolphins lost their first round of that year.
• 23:13
  Speaker 4: Was Yeah, that's a pretty good trade.
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: So again Mike McCarthy talking about the Steelers six, the
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: ball security and you know, the tackles and breaking tackles,
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: the big plays, all these other different things blocking, you know,
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: the finishing games. He talked about that mannerisms and the
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: different things special teams to go into that Steeler six.
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: So one of the things he broke down in great detail. Again,
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: this was very interesting, I thought, was the different aspects
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: of a play. And here's what he had to say
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: about what happens, you know, pre snap two point three seconds,
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: and then after two point three seconds, the anatomy of
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: a play.
• 23:56
  Speaker 5: Anatomy of a play, you know, and there is the
• 24:00
  Speaker 5: first part of a play. So everything that goes on
• 24:03
  Speaker 5: in the pre snap up until the ball snap, you know,
• 24:05
  Speaker 5: the specifics, the mannerism, disguise, that's why, that's why it's
• 24:08
  Speaker 5: a fundamental the cadence, the substitution patterns, you know, the
• 24:12
  Speaker 5: ability to get get this personnel and quickly in the
• 24:15
  Speaker 5: red zones. So you have to practice all those little
• 24:18
  Speaker 5: things now because it's going to show up in preseason game.
• 24:20
  Speaker 5: It's going to show up when you get out there
• 24:21
  Speaker 5: for the first time with the ninety million roster. So
• 24:24
  Speaker 5: so you got the pre snap. But then if you go,
• 24:26
  Speaker 5: if you watch this as you watch film, you study
• 24:28
  Speaker 5: the film, you'll see in the first two point three
• 24:30
  Speaker 5: seconds that's really the actually that's the execution battleground. That's
• 24:34
  Speaker 5: where really the play gets established in the first two
• 24:36
  Speaker 5: point three So that's another time block. So and then
• 24:39
  Speaker 5: above two point three two point five, now you get
• 24:42
  Speaker 5: into extended play. Okay, so now we're talking about extended plays,
• 24:45
  Speaker 5: which is what big plays, big play opportunities, which is
• 24:49
  Speaker 5: another still er fundamental. So that's that's the way my
• 24:52
  Speaker 5: brain works. That's the way I've learned it through the
• 24:54
  Speaker 5: as of a quarterback in my time this league. And
• 24:57
  Speaker 5: that's why we train our team. So all our situation emphasis,
• 25:00
  Speaker 5: you know, really is broken down every specific play and
• 25:03
  Speaker 5: how we can train in those in those little heal
• 25:07
  Speaker 5: segments and in our and hopefully as I expressed this,
• 25:11
  Speaker 5: you know, hopefully hopefully you see that in our practice structure.
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: What do I think it's more like two point seven
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: to three point one when it comes to quarterback.
• 25:24
  Speaker 4: I mean, but yeah, you would love to see it.
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: I mean, if you're getting at two point three to
• 25:27
  Speaker 3: two point five your upper echelons of quarterback rely that's time.
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: That's Tom Brady back in New England, where you're operating, Hey,
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: we got to hit the slot. That's when you can
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: get guys. Because guys are still warming up into it.
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: Your pass rush doesn't hit home because a pass rush
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: is built and designed. Two point seven to three point
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: one is where the pass rush hits home. That's how
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: much time it takes for a guy to clear a defender,
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: get open and then square up the quarterback. And then
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: a quarterback has to extend with his legs beyond that.
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: So yeah, I mean that that I wish I had
• 25:59
  Speaker 3: that during my career.
• 26:00
  Speaker 4: I had zero racks allowed.
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah exactly, Yeah, because we we we were in the
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: four point five to four point seven five point one.
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: Sometimes Ben Ben Ben with with stiff arm, a defensive
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: end extended another second and a half.
• 26:14
  Speaker 4: Uh we yeah, yeah, two point three. That's that's modern
• 26:17
  Speaker 4: modern NFL.
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: Back when I played, I mean, you were like, okay,
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: we got three seconds to four seconds that you need
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: to hold on for dear life, and then after that
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: it's it's bonus time.
• 26:27
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I rarely remember Ben getting sacked in those situations,
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: but it seemed like once you got past that certain point,
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: he was gonna run around.
• 26:35
  Speaker 4: I guess probably later in his career, maybe got caught behind,
• 26:38
  Speaker 4: he had to drag him down.
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: It wasn't like it wasn't gonna be one guy was
• 26:42
  Speaker 3: gonna take him that. He was gonna take multiple hits
• 26:44
  Speaker 3: and then he was gonna twist around and then he
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: might fall down trying to get out of a shoe
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: string tackle or something. But yeah, now Ben's not going
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: and you know, yeah, definitely the triple decks, I mean,
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: you could throw in everything.
• 26:56
  Speaker 4: I mean, he did it all.
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, so you know the quarterback position has transitioned.
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: I would say the evolution of the pass rusher has
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: changed a lot schematics on how they get those guys
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: and the guys that fill those positions more hybridized. So
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: you have little more undersized guys that are now rushers
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: that are tougher for bigger offensive line. That's why your
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: offensive line are getting a little bit slimmer.
• 27:17
  Speaker 4: But yeah, it's.
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: Very interesting to go inside the mind of McCarthy and
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: see how he's processing this and how he's judging a
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: victory versus a loss on any given play by position,
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: group and by individual player.
• 27:32
  Speaker 4: Did you win your one on one battles? And that's
• 27:34
  Speaker 4: why I.
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: Think it's also important to know what does he consider
• 27:36
  Speaker 3: a big play. If you're trying to get a play
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: done in one point two point three seconds, that's very
• 27:43
  Speaker 3: quick snap judgments and your receiver I better beat the
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: guy off the ball. I mean, and that's man coverage.
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: We're not even talking about his own because if you
• 27:50
  Speaker 3: get into a cover two situation Cover three that two
• 27:54
  Speaker 3: point three seconds, your wide receiver might be even with
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: the dB and now you're hoping that he's going to
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: burn pass to him to be able to make that
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: anticipatory throw versus.
• 28:03
  Speaker 4: A known throw on Max if we're even I'm leaving,
• 28:06
  Speaker 4: that's a wide receiver man traved hey single high, let
• 28:09
  Speaker 4: it fly. I mean, there's a lot of them out there.
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so you know, and again, look, coaches are always
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: going to do we have to avoid pre snap penalties, right,
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: we have to have clean substitutions, you know, we have
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: to be able to get rid of the ball quickly.
• 28:26
  Speaker 4: We have to be able to protect our quarterback.
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: These are just you know, again, I'm not saying that
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: this is the reinvention of the wheel. I'm just saying
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: this is a different way to explain things in a
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: different emphasis on things that we're going to see the
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: practice field and that we're going to see hopefully when
• 28:46
  Speaker 2: the game rolls around. Like it's just it's just you know,
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: some of it might be saying the same stuff in
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: a slightly different way, but some of it is a
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: slightly different way of doing things as well.
• 28:59
  Speaker 3: Yes, and I go back to this is academia. This
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: is the academic approach to football. And the more that
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: you repeat a lesson, the better the student is at
• 29:09
  Speaker 3: when it comes to test time, right, the reiteration of information.
• 29:12
  Speaker 3: That's why he doesn't call it install. He calls it recall. Right,
• 29:15
  Speaker 3: you know, because we've already learned this, I shouldn't have
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: to reinstall it. I should only have you recall it.
• 29:21
  Speaker 3: Like we've done the work in the OTAs in the
• 29:24
  Speaker 3: off season when guys have been here, we've taken that
• 29:26
  Speaker 3: extra time so that by the time we get here
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: we should be rolling through. You've had access to the
• 29:32
  Speaker 3: playbook since we left OTAs up until we get to camp,
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: so I don't need to re install. I don't need
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: to repeat the subject as it was. It's more like
• 29:42
  Speaker 3: a broad overview of study review when we get down
• 29:45
  Speaker 3: to the field, and then, like you said, the extra
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: cameras now give you a more in depth look so
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: you can have deeper level conversations in those meetings. Throughout
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: the day, we have the talk and walk that they
• 29:54
  Speaker 3: call them. We're going to walk through all the stuff
• 29:56
  Speaker 3: slow before we get to the field, and we're going
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: to talk through every little nuance so that when we
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: get on this field, like you said, it's it's ripping
• 30:03
  Speaker 3: and running and that's what it is. And that's why
• 30:05
  Speaker 3: we can't get all of our notes down because they're
• 30:07
  Speaker 3: ripping and running, because that's just how he wants this,
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: so that they become second nature. And like you said,
• 30:14
  Speaker 3: Mike Tomalin has his own way of doing things, Mike
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: McCarthy has his own way. You're not reinventing the wheel,
• 30:19
  Speaker 3: but you're reinventing the way that you communicate what the
• 30:23
  Speaker 3: function of the wheel is. Right, Yes, it's just simply
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: practical application of theory versus theoretical uh, you know, references
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: to what the actual practical is. So it's just a
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: different way of digesting it. And Coach McCarthy speaks plainly,
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: and like you said, I mean his press conferences are
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: very to the point, like he's going to expound, so
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  Speaker 3: that you're when you leave the press corson outside of
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  Speaker 3: three six and thirty six, you're going to know exactly
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  Speaker 3: what he's thinking in this process and you could have
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  Speaker 3: a better appreciation to carry over it, carry that over
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  Speaker 3: to the field and watch him dictate how the practice
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  Speaker 3: is going to go. He doesn't want anything being new,
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  Speaker 3: he doesn't want frenzied response. He just wants phrenetic energy.
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  Speaker 4: Right.
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  Speaker 3: He wants guys moving around fast because they know what
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  Speaker 3: they're doing, not moving around fast because they don't know, right,
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  Speaker 3: and they think this is what you're supposed to be doing.
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  Speaker 3: He wants you to know. He doesn't want you to
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  Speaker 3: have to think.
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  Speaker 2: It's going to be interesting. It's already been interesting. It's
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  Speaker 2: going to continue to be interesting, as is this Steelers team.
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  Speaker 2: More to come as we wrap up today's edition.
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  Speaker 4: A lot more.
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  Speaker 2: I want to talk a little bit more about Michae
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  Speaker 2: McCarthy and his philosophy and his background and something really
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: interesting that he said before, but he reiterated again at
• 31:38
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  Speaker 2: Wrapping up this second show in the Locker Room from
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  Speaker 2: La Trobe here on The Star's Audio Network alongside Max Starks,
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  Speaker 2: I'm rob king two thirds. We're two thirds, Max, Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: we are. We need Missy Matthews to.
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  Speaker 4: Complete us exactly. She completes the circle. She completes the circle,
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  Speaker 4: the Circle of trusts.
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  Speaker 2: So thank you for being with us, thank you for
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  Speaker 2: being members in the locker room, thanks for listening during
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: the course of the season where we have a lot
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: and lots of fun not only doing this show but
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: also doing the play by play and color and sidelines
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: of the Steelers football games. So I just wanted to
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: go over again. I'm going to make this very quick
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: for people that might not be familiar with some of
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: the ins and outs of it. Mike McCarthy's career, let's
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: start with the NFL. He became the Chiefs quarterbacks coach
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: in ninety five, ninety five through ninety eight, and he
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: became the Packers quarterback coach in ninety nine. Then he
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: became the Saints offensive coordinator forty nine, Ers offensive coordinator,
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: Packers head coach, Dallas head coach, Steelers head coach. I
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: can only speak well, I think I could speak broadly
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: here just knowing, Like, for example, my own profession, my
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: first job was as a producer, and so when I'm
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: doing my work, there's a lot of that influence that's
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: still here many many years later, the influence of being
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: a producer. First, are we on time with this segments
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: going the way we want?
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  Speaker 4: What's up?
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  Speaker 2: You know, all those kind of things that other people
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  Speaker 2: who are on air might not think about, right, but
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: that influenced the way I think about it. Well, Mike
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: McCarthy said that, you know that that quarterback coach in him,
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: that those early days because influenced what he's done and
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: his number one goal is to make the quarterback successful.
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  Speaker 2: That's how the offense runs. Again, is this groundbreaking philosophy. No,
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  Speaker 2: But if it's a point of emphasis, again, it can
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: be a nuanced difference between what you do and the
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: way you approach your team and the way you approach
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  Speaker 2: your offense and the way somebody else does.
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  Speaker 3: And let's just be frank, this is the first time
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  Speaker 3: in the fifty five years of head coaches coming through
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  Speaker 3: Pittsburgh that we've had an offensive minded coach. Yep, Chuck
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  Speaker 3: Nole was a defensive coach, Bill Kuerr was a defensive coach.
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  Speaker 4: And Mike Tomlin was a defensive coach.
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  Speaker 3: So this is the first time we're really an offensive
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  Speaker 3: minded approach to a team that's had an identity based
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  Speaker 3: off of its defensive tenacity. So that's gonna be a
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  Speaker 3: departure from the norm. Already on top of having the
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  Speaker 3: fourth coach in the better part of half a century, right,
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  Speaker 3: so you know you're getting these different approaches, and so
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  Speaker 3: I think it comes off as novel to us because
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  Speaker 3: we just haven't seen it. And to hear a coach
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  Speaker 3: like you said, defensive minded coaches once again, is this
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  Speaker 3: my offensive side being a little snobbish and tooting my
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  Speaker 3: nose up.
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  Speaker 4: In the air.
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  Speaker 3: Probably, But defenses see things more plainly because they're highly reactive.
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  Speaker 3: Offense has to be proactive. We have to dictate the
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  Speaker 3: fight to the defense, and so there's a different mindset
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  Speaker 3: when you're looking at being the proactive one versus the
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  Speaker 3: reactive one. Right, defense doesn't know the snapcount offense does. Right,
• 35:52
  Speaker 3: they can only react to tendencies that they've seen, but
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: they don't know what's going on. The offense knows what's
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  Speaker 3: going on and what they want to do versus this defense.
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  Speaker 3: So you see the different tactical deployment of quote unquote.
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  Speaker 4: Philosophies and thought processes in this.
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  Speaker 3: So it's just it's a fun process because, like you said,
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  Speaker 3: Mike McCarthy's going to give you plane brare bones. Here's
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  Speaker 3: how we're going about it. We have a methodical approach
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  Speaker 3: because when you're the offense, you're dictating, so you have
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  Speaker 3: to be methodical. Defense can change from play to play.
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  Speaker 3: What personnel gets deployed determines what defense we have to run,
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  Speaker 3: and then what blitz we can and can't do, what
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  Speaker 3: coverage we can and can't run. You're not going to
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  Speaker 3: run cover two versus thirteen personnel, right, you know, But
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  Speaker 3: the offense is like, I don't have to make my
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  Speaker 3: thirteen personnel fit cover two. No defense has to adjust
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  Speaker 3: on the fly. We are the ones that come out
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  Speaker 3: with a premeditated approach to this because we know what
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  Speaker 3: our play calls are there's a reactionary So you have
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  Speaker 3: to be more abstract on defense because you don't know
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  Speaker 3: what's going to be thrown at you. You can see
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  Speaker 3: the personnel grouping in the soom, but they line up different.
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  Speaker 3: We talked about this the accordion style last year of
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  Speaker 3: Arthur Smith. Right, thirteen personnel they can turn to eleven.
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  Speaker 3: The defense has to be able to match that, right,
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  Speaker 3: because if they come out in goal line or six
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  Speaker 3: to two defense and you've got all these guys spread
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  Speaker 3: out at eleven, you're gonna be caught with your pants down.
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  Speaker 3: So you have to be more fluid. You don't have
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  Speaker 3: to be as fluid. You can be more rigid on offense.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Defense is like to think they can dictate to the offense,
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  Speaker 2: and in some ways they can, I mean if they
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  Speaker 2: if they can beat the other guy what they're trying
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  Speaker 2: to do. But again that's you go back to square one.
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  Speaker 2: What are you trying to do? Well, Yeah, we're trying
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  Speaker 2: to beat you at what you're trying to do as
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  Speaker 2: opposed the other way around. What position, Max does the
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  Speaker 2: field general play in football?
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  Speaker 4: Oh, it's the most important, right, I mean quarterback?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, quarterback is the field general and then no, linebacker's
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  Speaker 3: the next one.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, but but is that he is.
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  Speaker 2: They can say what they want and they can analogize
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  Speaker 2: if they want, But the field general is not the
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  Speaker 2: middle linebacker. It's not the strong safety, it's not the
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  Speaker 2: outside linebacker. It's the quarterback. Much to your point, why
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  Speaker 2: because they're the ones doing to dictating.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, they're the ones that have the strategy and they
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  Speaker 3: know what's supposed to be accomplished. Right, defense, disruption, mayhem,
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  Speaker 3: chaos and forcing a team out of their nature, which
• 38:23
  Speaker 3: you can call dictating, Yeah, you call dictating, but it's
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  Speaker 3: more it's a pleasant surprise when.
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  Speaker 4: It does happen.
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  Speaker 2: Esoteric dictation.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, exactly dictating, you know, by situation. But like you said,
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  Speaker 3: every time you step on the field, of the twenty
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  Speaker 3: two guys present that can step on that field, only
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  Speaker 3: one is controlling everything else. Right, the quarterback calls the play.
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  Speaker 3: Offensive players now have to adjust to what the quarterback
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  Speaker 3: has just called. Defenses then have to adjust off of
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  Speaker 3: what the offensive players have just lined up in and
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  Speaker 3: then what they moved to. And then you have cues
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  Speaker 3: that give you hints. But it's not an open book
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  Speaker 3: test right, you still have to study and.
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  Speaker 4: Be ready for whatever that is. And here's the other thing.
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  Speaker 3: There's four to five options on any given pass play
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  Speaker 3: that the quarterback can go to, and you can't cover
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  Speaker 3: all of them. There's going to be a weakness somewhere,
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  Speaker 3: and that's what the offense's job is to do, is
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  Speaker 3: to find that weakness, whether it's giving the quarterback time
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  Speaker 3: to scan the field or whether it's emotion that then
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  Speaker 3: puts you in a position of strength to run the football.
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  Speaker 3: And the defense is reactionary. They're never in the proactive
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  Speaker 3: position to give you that. They might get to a
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  Speaker 3: position of equal strength, but they will never be in
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  Speaker 3: an advantageous position, you know.
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  Speaker 2: And you can parse out the definition of this just quickly.
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  Speaker 2: I want to remember when I think wal Terris was
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  Speaker 2: the pit coach and defensive defensive lineman for Boston College
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  Speaker 2: defensive end. I think he went on to play for
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  Speaker 2: the Giants. I can't remember, but a good, real, good
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  Speaker 2: pass rusher and they would move him around and he
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: would line up on the opposite side of the tight end. Right,
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  Speaker 2: great philosophy. We're gonna have him. He's too fast for
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  Speaker 2: these tackles. We don't want him getting chipped. So you
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  Speaker 2: know what Walt Harris did. They would come out.
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  Speaker 4: In the tight end set this back day they had
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  Speaker 4: tight ends, there's normal. They wait.
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  Speaker 2: They'd wait to see which side he lined up on,
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: and then just before the snap they'd moved the tight
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  Speaker 2: end over to the other side every single time. So
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: now you're dictating where that tight end is going to
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  Speaker 2: line up. But are you really dictating to play because
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  Speaker 2: they just dictated back to it so.
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  Speaker 4: Exactly so you get to a position of equal strength.
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  Speaker 2: That's right, never advantageous, that's right then, and then what's
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: happening now they're doing something that you have to react
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  Speaker 2: to back exactly where it was.
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  Speaker 4: So just quickly in a couple.
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  Speaker 2: Of minutes here that we have remaining, max, how are
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  Speaker 2: we going to see the difference between an offensive coach
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  Speaker 2: and a defensive coach? Are we can you answer this
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  Speaker 2: in two minutes? Does this need to wait till till
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  Speaker 2: tomorrow's show?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah? I mean, I hear it. I'm gonna try it.
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  Speaker 4: I'm gonna try and expound.
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  Speaker 3: In an expeditious manner. You're just gonna see more attention
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  Speaker 3: to the offense. I think you know before you look
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  Speaker 3: at the head coach, and the head coach has been
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  Speaker 3: that master manager, or he's had an emphasis, right, he's
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: had a hand into it. Mike McCarthy is an offensive
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  Speaker 3: coach that also has a hand in the offense. We
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  Speaker 3: have not seen that from the head coach before. We've
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  Speaker 3: watched the other places, right, we watched the Cliff Kingsbury's
• 41:30
  Speaker 3: of the world, watch the Sean mcvays of the world
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  Speaker 3: do those type of jobs, but we've never had it
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  Speaker 3: here in Western pa here at Saint Vincent College for
• 41:38
  Speaker 3: the Pittsburgh Stealers organization, we have not seen that in
• 41:40
  Speaker 3: modern times. So it's going to be different, and I
• 41:43
  Speaker 3: think you see a height in production when more emphasis
• 41:46
  Speaker 3: is paid towards it. And what has been the question
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  Speaker 3: the last handful, if not longer years, when is the
• 41:52
  Speaker 3: offense going to run the ball?
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  Speaker 4: When is the office going to do this?
• 41:54
  Speaker 3: When are they going to produce the points that we
• 41:57
  Speaker 3: think are necessary? Well, this is going to be the
• 41:59
  Speaker 3: first because we went and got an offensive coach. So
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: can this be done? Can you get to that level
• 42:05
  Speaker 3: of production where you're looking at a team and not
• 42:08
  Speaker 3: necessarily saying apples to apples, there's Cincinnati Bengals, right, because
• 42:12
  Speaker 3: I think it's a different personnel, it's a different era
• 42:14
  Speaker 3: for a lot of those guys. But you know, we
• 42:17
  Speaker 3: know the defense is good and we brought in a
• 42:19
  Speaker 3: quality guy that you don't have to micro manage. And
• 42:22
  Speaker 3: now can that attention be paid to the offense because
• 42:24
  Speaker 3: we've done it in the draft. We have put a
• 42:26
  Speaker 3: lot of resources into offensive players over the last four years, right,
• 42:30
  Speaker 3: for sure, three first round offensive offensive tackles along, right,
• 42:35
  Speaker 3: and then you think about second, third rounds to offensive
• 42:37
  Speaker 3: pieces have been added, whether it's been a running back,
• 42:40
  Speaker 3: whether it's been a wide receiver, a center. Right, a
• 42:45
  Speaker 3: lot of resources, but you didn't really deploy those resources.
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  Speaker 4: You kind of put it off. Oh, let's bring Arthur
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  Speaker 4: Smith in, Oh.
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  Speaker 3: I can't remember the other guys and mister Canada, Oh
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  Speaker 3: Canada over there.
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  Speaker 4: And try to score eighteen and we'll take care of
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  Speaker 4: the rest.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, like we just need to are enough, right,
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  Speaker 3: But no, it's like, no, can we go all gas,
• 43:03
  Speaker 3: no break on the offensive side of the ball and
• 43:04
  Speaker 3: put up forty thirty five and then your defense is
• 43:07
  Speaker 3: getting a blow and we know what they can do
• 43:09
  Speaker 3: if they have a lead. They can they can put
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: they can put the stranglehold on you, because the number
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: of times we did it almost by accident, you know,
• 43:17
  Speaker 3: we've we've had those moments. You can get into shootouts
• 43:19
  Speaker 3: every once in a while, but now when you're dictating
• 43:21
  Speaker 3: the action, you have the weapons and you have a
• 43:24
  Speaker 3: coach who wants to deploy them and has a philosophy
• 43:26
  Speaker 3: that's offense first.
• 43:28
  Speaker 4: This something is going to be new.
• 43:29
  Speaker 3: I can't wait to see it because I think it's
• 43:31
  Speaker 3: something we haven't seen. So therefore it's kind of a
• 43:33
  Speaker 3: wait and see. But you're holding your breath and you're
• 43:36
  Speaker 3: hoping that that's what it's going to be and what
• 43:38
  Speaker 3: their intention was.
• 43:38
  Speaker 4: We're bringing Mike McCarthy in. Gonna be exciting, it really is.
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  Speaker 2: And uh again, these these times are flying by Max,
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: these shows because there's just so much to get to. Yeah,
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: but that's it for today. We're gonna get to much
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: more coming up over the next couple of days, and
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: there's a break on Sunday. Back again next week from
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: the trope. Up next, you're gonna go into with Matt
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: Williamson and Wes Euler for Max Starks.
• 44:04
  Speaker 4: I'm rob king.
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  Speaker 2: We thank you for being with us today in the
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