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Benghazi 13yrs later: Islam in America, & Romans 13 an Interview with Steve Klein · Goon Tavern

• 0:34
  SPEAKER_01: Welcome everybody.
• 0:35
  SPEAKER_01: I am Jane McKeever, your host.
• 0:37
  SPEAKER_01: Welcome to the Goon Tavern, where we are going to interview someone that uh I highly respect and admire.
• 0:44
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, he inspires me to not only be an awesome man of God, but at the same time just to be a warrior for Christ.
• 0:51
  SPEAKER_01: And um, he is a former uh not a former Marine.
• 0:55
  SPEAKER_01: I had to correct myself there.
• 0:57
  SPEAKER_01: Once a marine, always a marine.
• 0:59
  SPEAKER_01: And it is uh Steve Klein.
• 1:01
  SPEAKER_01: Steve Klein, welcome to the show.
• 1:03
  SPEAKER_01: I appreciate you on here.
• 1:05
  SPEAKER_00: Glad to glad to be on with the show.
• 1:06
  SPEAKER_00: I met Jamin probably when he was 13 or 14 years old.
• 1:10
  SPEAKER_00: He's a little bitty guy, and uh since then got to watch him grow and now he's 230 pounds, and I'm pretty tough guy, but yeah, I ain't gonna mess with this guy.
• 1:21
  SPEAKER_00: He's smart too.
• 1:22
  SPEAKER_00: Smart, and uh he doesn't back down from weasels, and he's uh man of Christ, which I think is lacking.
• 1:30
  SPEAKER_00: I've been on the streets with Jamin and his dad.
• 1:33
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, we've had multiple death threats on our face, and uh, we never back down.
• 1:37
  SPEAKER_00: We're all nobody ever hit us, we're still alive.
• 1:40
  SPEAKER_01: No, no, never had that opportunity, unfortunately.
• 1:43
  SPEAKER_01: You know, it's always like when I see those videos too where they like these people attack like old ladies and stuff.
• 1:48
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, why am I never there when this happens?
• 1:51
  SPEAKER_01: I would love to take these guys.
• 1:53
  SPEAKER_00: Why they're not they when you're there and I'm there, they disappear.
• 1:57
  SPEAKER_00: I mean that's probably it.
• 1:58
  SPEAKER_01: They just wait for the soy boys to show up, you know, and then they're like, Oh, okay, now it's the right time.
• 2:03
  SPEAKER_00: It it is funny because I used to go to the mosques and whatnot, and I had translators, Egyptian translators, and the FBI was actually following us because it's against federal law for the FBI to go on a mosque or a church or a synagogue.
• 2:17
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, they can't do that, but they found out about me and our group because before we went out, we'd always send a letter to 50 CCs, including the governor, the mayor, the district attorney, the FBI.
• 2:30
  SPEAKER_00: So they found out real quick that they could come in their vans with their secret uh listening devices and whatnot, 100 yards away.
• 2:40
  SPEAKER_00: And while I'm interviewing men dressed like Osama bin Laden, yeah, and I have translators who speak Arabic as a native tongue, and very soon, you know, the discourse would change from uh English when they'd get angry at me, which was very quick, and then they'd turn to Arabic and they'd always say, Well, well, now we want a nuclear bomb America and cut your head off.
• 3:02
  SPEAKER_00: And it never failed every time we went, we probably did 35, 40 mos or so.
• 3:07
  SPEAKER_00: That's awesome.
• 3:08
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 3:08
  SPEAKER_01: So what was uh as far as your your your background, like where did you grow up?
• 3:13
  SPEAKER_01: Um, like uh, you know, like we don't have you don't have to give your whole life story, but like, you know, how did you get involved in expertise in terms of like, you know, not only Islam, but also like understanding of like our immigration issues and stuff?
• 3:25
  SPEAKER_01: Where did that start and where did that uh kind of like that passion kind of come from?
• 3:29
  SPEAKER_01: It's like, okay, this is what I want to focus on.
• 3:31
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, in 1969, when I left the United States and I hit Vietnam, that's when I grew up.
• 3:38
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I was a total disaster.
• 3:40
  SPEAKER_00: I did very well in boot camp and whatnot.
• 3:41
  SPEAKER_00: But then after 60 days, we could volunteer for the Marine Special Forces called the uh Combined Action Program.
• 3:48
  SPEAKER_00: We were wide earth.
• 3:49
  SPEAKER_00: It's hard to believe.
• 3:50
  SPEAKER_00: We did not have officers in charge of us.
• 3:52
  SPEAKER_00: We did back in the rear, but not in the field.
• 3:55
  SPEAKER_00: I was an 18-year-old kid in charge of a reinforced rifle squad of Marines and uh two platoons of Vietnamese.
• 4:02
  SPEAKER_00: I was in charge of these guys when I was 18, and we went on ambush every night.
• 4:06
  SPEAKER_00: Well, the cool deal is the Marine Corps hired me years later.
• 4:09
  SPEAKER_00: They had me come out and speak to First Marine Expeditionary Force at Camp Pendleton and explained how I was able to gather human intelligence, which is what I did later on when they blew up the World Trade Center.
• 4:21
  SPEAKER_00: Gary Cass, my pastor, said, Hey, Steve, can you use your skills in Vietnam and find the terracels in uh uh San Diego and California?
• 4:30
  SPEAKER_00: I said, Of course.
• 4:31
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so back to Vietnam when I was in Vietnam, uh first 60 days was the infantry.
• 4:36
  SPEAKER_00: I didn't like it because we really just were like dogs chasing our tails.
• 4:41
  SPEAKER_00: They came down and they said, Hey, we got this group called the Combined Action Program, and you will be like a sheriff, and you will be protecting people in a village where the North Vietnamese army is coming in and stealing their food and supplies.
• 4:54
  SPEAKER_00: That's how they resupplied themselves, and then they would rape the girls and murder people and stuff like that.
• 4:59
  SPEAKER_00: They're they were very nice guys.
• 5:01
  SPEAKER_00: So that's when I got there, um, then I had to go to language school for 30 days, which sounds like a small amount, but it was all day long.
• 5:10
  SPEAKER_00: You could only speak Vietnamese, and if you flunked on uh Saturday, you had to go back to the field.
• 5:15
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I had a bed, I had a roof, I had three meals a day, and we were getting shot at, but it was a lot safer than being out on the front lines.
• 5:23
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 5:23
  SPEAKER_00: So I was a total disaster in high school.
• 5:25
  SPEAKER_00: If I got a D, I was happy, but I I was the top of the class in learning the Vietnamese, and then that helped me later where I graduated 5 beta kappa from Long Beach State, blah, blah, blah.
• 5:37
  SPEAKER_00: But back gathering human intelligence, um, I learned real quick that in the village where there was no running water, no electricity, there was no streets, there was no toilets, they used right in front of you, they dropped their drawers, male, female, take a leak or whatever.
• 5:57
  SPEAKER_00: And it was pretty rustic.
• 5:59
  SPEAKER_00: And um they would have every morning when I came back from ambush, they would have uh the village market where the women would lay out their slaughtered animals and whatnot.
• 6:09
  SPEAKER_00: It's pretty grisly on big leaves of banana leaves and things like that.
• 6:14
  SPEAKER_00: Well, when they did, the grandmothers would uh have the little kids come over to me and talk to me.
• 6:21
  SPEAKER_00: I was a corporal, a Hasi, Hasi Steve.
• 6:24
  SPEAKER_00: And when we showed up, like Wyatt Earth, we did, and I'm fully armed and whatnot.
• 6:29
  SPEAKER_00: The people are utterly terrified.
• 6:31
  SPEAKER_00: But when we showed up, the United States Marine Corps, there was only 14 or 15 of us, they knew they were safe.
• 6:38
  SPEAKER_00: And they would have the kids come over and tell me in Vietnamese where they'd seen the enemy and all that stuff, and then we'd go back out that night and we would ambush.
• 6:47
  SPEAKER_00: And so we were in about five to seven really brutal battles.
• 6:51
  SPEAKER_00: It was pretty brutal, very quick.
• 6:54
  SPEAKER_00: It was just like the uh shootout at the OK Corral with a huge difference.
• 7:00
  SPEAKER_00: Every one of us had an automatic weapon.
• 7:03
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it was the first war where everybody had an automatic weapon, so within there was probably 30 to 60 of us, depending on that particular night, and they would have 15 to 100 that night.
• 7:15
  SPEAKER_00: And when they walked into our ambush, it was literally all hell, grenades going everywhere, claymore mines, RPGs.
• 7:22
  SPEAKER_00: I had RPGs fired at me from less than 10 feet.
• 7:25
  SPEAKER_00: I have a picture in my cell phone.
• 7:26
  SPEAKER_00: I think I showed it where I blew the guy's head off.
• 7:29
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, he was less than two feet away.
• 7:31
  SPEAKER_00: But the whole idea, the principle is how I learned, you know, how to find the enemy and whatnot.
• 7:37
  SPEAKER_00: So when Gary asked me to go down to San Diego and find the terror cells, it was all so easy.
• 7:44
  SPEAKER_00: It was so easy the FBI found out about it and started following us so that they could listen into the terrorists.
• 7:50
  SPEAKER_01: So it's kind of like you were just like a kind of a probe for them, pretty much, to just kind of like figure out, you know, who because they it's interesting though, too.
• 7:58
  SPEAKER_01: Like, you know, you think that why wouldn't they have their own guys, you know, try to be you and just start conversations like that?
• 8:04
  SPEAKER_01: Is it just because being even like near the mosque or being inside of it was the issue?
• 8:09
  SPEAKER_00: We we were outside because we'd stay on a sidewalk and we knew what time they would get out of the mosque and then they'd have to walk through us.
• 8:16
  SPEAKER_00: I see.
• 8:17
  SPEAKER_00: And so I would walk up to the guy dressed like Osama bin Laden, and there was always between five and twelve guys like that.
• 8:24
  SPEAKER_00: And so as long as I stayed on the sidewalk and I'd start asking them questions with my translators, and so they would open up and they were very guarded in English, and they had no idea my translator, because he was very white like me, he was Egyptian.
• 8:38
  SPEAKER_00: They had they thought he was just an American too.
• 8:41
  SPEAKER_00: So they would open up, but they'd first because Muhammad hated questions, hated him.
• 8:48
  SPEAKER_00: He was a tyrant, hated questions.
• 8:50
  SPEAKER_00: So the leadership of the Muslims, they hate questions too.
• 8:54
  SPEAKER_00: They're very clever.
• 8:56
  SPEAKER_00: Um, when you see them on TV, they're very patient, but those guys have been screened to get so they know they can handle the questions without losing their temper.
• 9:05
  SPEAKER_00: But they're these guys dressed like Osama bin Laden, they were clearly terrorists.
• 9:09
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, there was a few times when your dad and me were in the La Mesa uh mosque, we had four deputies, and I thought for sure they were gonna kill the deputies, your dad and me and everybody else, too.
• 9:20
  SPEAKER_00: They're they're vicious.
• 9:22
  SPEAKER_01: Gotcha.
• 9:22
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's crazy.
• 9:24
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so from from that, like when you started doing that, and um I know that uh like an event that like happened in your life that just is just pretty crazy because like you know, it's it's like hard to believe as well.
• 9:38
  SPEAKER_01: Apparently, I don't I don't know the person's name, but a person came to you basically wanted you to be a consultant on a film.
• 9:45
  SPEAKER_01: What could you tell us about that?
• 9:47
  SPEAKER_00: Like yeah, that goes right back to what we were talking about.
• 9:49
  SPEAKER_00: His name is Nikula Basili Nikula.
• 9:52
  SPEAKER_00: When he first introduced himself to me, uh he is uh he told me his name was Sam Basile.
• 9:58
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, but I could tell it was fake, but I also know enough I'd been working with the Christians who live in California, the the Coptic Christians, they were utterly terrified of the Muslims.
• 10:09
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, in California, not just in Egypt.
• 10:13
  SPEAKER_00: Just if the Muslims came by, they would clam up.
• 10:15
  SPEAKER_00: They were they were terrified.
• 10:17
  SPEAKER_00: So uh Nikula Basili, Nikula, Nikula, he found out about what I was doing from his other Coptic Christian friends.
• 10:25
  SPEAKER_00: And so he asked me to come up and uh uh he wanted to know in America could he make a video about Muhammad?
• 10:32
  SPEAKER_00: And I said, under the First Amendment, of course you could.
• 10:35
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 10:36
  SPEAKER_00: And he says uh he was terrified.
• 10:37
  SPEAKER_00: He was terrified he was gonna get arrested.
• 10:39
  SPEAKER_00: I said, Well, under the first amendment, that can't happen.
• 10:43
  SPEAKER_00: Of course, he did get arrested, but we had quite the conversation and then at he's still in jail, of course.
• 10:49
  SPEAKER_00: No, no, he got he was in for six years.
• 10:51
  SPEAKER_00: He had done absolutely nothing illegal, yeah, nothing.
• 10:54
  SPEAKER_00: He was a patsy.
• 10:56
  SPEAKER_00: What happened was the ambassador to Benghazi got murdered, and it was Hillary Clinton's fault 100%.
• 11:03
  SPEAKER_00: Hillary Clinton, Obama, and Susan Rice, who was chief of staff.
• 11:06
  SPEAKER_00: And so the ambassador, some of the older people listening will remember that it was it was terrifying and awful.
• 11:13
  SPEAKER_00: And the Muslim world, as a result of Obama and Hillary lying, that it was the video.
• 11:20
  SPEAKER_00: And I happened to be the spokesman, Nikula, when I met him, when we got done talking, he said, Steve, if something happens, will you be my spokesman?
• 11:28
  SPEAKER_00: I said, Sure, of course.
• 11:30
  SPEAKER_00: Which I have a lot of experience.
• 11:31
  SPEAKER_00: I've won several cases, First Amendment cases, two in a Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals, Steve Klein versus San Clemente, Steve Klein versus Laguna Beach.
• 11:40
  SPEAKER_00: You can look them up, so you know I'm not lying.
• 11:42
  SPEAKER_00: So, anyways, when all hell broke out loose and everybody was looking to see what happened in Benghazi, then Hillary and Obama and Susan Rice blamed it on the video.
• 11:54
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I remember that.
• 11:55
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and when they did that, then the Muslim world exploded and throughout the world, the whole Muslim world, not just in Libya, but everywhere.
• 12:04
  SPEAKER_00: Egypt, Indonesia, uh, Iraq, uh, all all the Muslim countries that they were burning houses and stuff down, murdering people.
• 12:12
  SPEAKER_00: It was going crazy.
• 12:13
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it was nuts.
• 12:15
  SPEAKER_01: So when when that like kind of all went down, like how did how did the whole news happen?
• 12:21
  SPEAKER_01: Because I'm sure when you first like you know, offered to kind of just help in this area, I'm pretty sure you're thinking, like, oh, it's just like a small thing, it's probably not gonna be that big of a deal.
• 12:30
  SPEAKER_01: Like, was there any uh like when it all happened in Big Ghazi and you there was this whole blame kind of thrown around, oh, it's because of video or whatever?
• 12:38
  SPEAKER_01: And of course the the classic uh you know Hillary saying, What does difference does it make?
• 12:42
  SPEAKER_01: You know, the comment that she made pretty much on her watch.
• 12:46
  SPEAKER_01: Um so did they go after you and also this gentleman that like you know made the movie?
• 12:52
  SPEAKER_01: Like what happened there?
• 12:53
  SPEAKER_01: Like what did the what happened to you in that regard?
• 12:55
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, they were like a pack of dogs.
• 12:57
  SPEAKER_00: They they just okay, so um September 12th, 2012, the ambassador was murdered.
• 13:06
  SPEAKER_00: I knew nothing about it, and uh until our news hit, nobody knew anything about it.
• 13:12
  SPEAKER_00: So 2000, it was uh September 12th, 2020 and 12.
• 13:18
  SPEAKER_00: I'm at my house at 9 p.m.
• 13:20
  SPEAKER_00: at night, the phone rings, I answer the phone, and it was uh the uh um investigator for the um one of the big news services that'll come to me.
• 13:31
  SPEAKER_00: And they said, Are you Steve Klein, the spokesman for the video?
• 13:36
  SPEAKER_00: Um The Innocence of Muslims, the innocence of Muslims, and I said, Yeah, and so it was a woman, and she uh she said, Well, how do I know you're the spokesman for the video?
• 13:49
  SPEAKER_00: And I said, Why are you calling me?
• 13:51
  SPEAKER_00: And so then it was stupid.
• 13:53
  SPEAKER_00: She says, Well, I don't know if you're the spokesman or not.
• 13:56
  SPEAKER_00: And I said, Well, who did you talk to first?
• 13:58
  SPEAKER_00: And she says, Well, I talked to Nakula, and I said, Well, Nakula gave you my phone number to talk to me, right?
• 14:04
  SPEAKER_00: She goes, Yeah, well, I well, why don't you just call Nakula back and ask him, is Steve Klein the spokesman?
• 14:10
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and she did, and then three minutes later she calls back, she goes, Yeah, you're the spokesman.
• 14:14
  SPEAKER_00: I go, Okay, so what's going on?
• 14:17
  SPEAKER_00: And and the the phone call ended.
• 14:19
  SPEAKER_00: So she just hung up out of the couple of times.
• 14:20
  SPEAKER_00: She just hung up.
• 14:22
  SPEAKER_00: Just hung up.
• 14:22
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 14:23
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, so go to the next day, September 13th, 2012, at five o'clock in the morning.
• 14:29
  SPEAKER_00: I get a call from Israel.
• 14:31
  SPEAKER_00: Are you Steve Klein, the spokesman for the video The Innocence of Muslims?
• 14:36
  SPEAKER_00: I was like, Well, yeah, it's five o'clock California time.
• 14:39
  SPEAKER_00: Why are you calling me?
• 14:40
  SPEAKER_00: I had no idea the ambassador ambassador had been murdered.
• 14:44
  SPEAKER_00: I had no idea what was going on.
• 14:45
  SPEAKER_00: So I talked to him.
• 14:47
  SPEAKER_00: It was Radio Tel Aviv, and I answered a few questions, and I was confused because I didn't know the ambassador had been murdered.
• 14:54
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 14:54
  SPEAKER_00: I didn't know that the video had been.
• 14:55
  SPEAKER_01: So these people are calling you, and you don't even know that they have no idea what's going on.
• 15:01
  SPEAKER_00: I hung up immediately within seconds.
• 15:03
  SPEAKER_00: The BBC calls.
• 15:05
  SPEAKER_00: Are you Steve Klein, the spokesman for the innocence of Muslims?
• 15:09
  SPEAKER_00: So it's 5 0 5 12, something like that.
• 15:13
  SPEAKER_00: I'm I'm groggy, but now I'm waking up and I'm knowing something is wrong.
• 15:18
  SPEAKER_00: So I talked to them just for a few minutes.
• 15:20
  SPEAKER_00: I said, Really, I don't know what's going on.
• 15:22
  SPEAKER_00: Israel just called.
• 15:24
  SPEAKER_00: You just called.
• 15:24
  SPEAKER_00: I said, I can't answer your questions because I don't know what's going on.
• 15:28
  SPEAKER_00: Goodbye.
• 15:29
  SPEAKER_00: So I turned to my wife.
• 15:30
  SPEAKER_00: I said, I didn't have a computer at home in those days.
• 15:33
  SPEAKER_00: So I drove over to my office, turned on the computer, and there it is.
• 15:37
  SPEAKER_00: Steve Klein, Benghazi, assassination of uh ambassador.
• 15:43
  SPEAKER_00: Steve Klein's at fault.
• 15:44
  SPEAKER_00: I'm going, this is gonna be a long day.
• 15:47
  SPEAKER_00: Oh my god.
• 15:48
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm sitting in the office, it's only about 5:30 in the morning, 5:45, and all of a sudden, the door, people are jo that people are knocking on the door, jostling at the door.
• 16:01
  SPEAKER_00: What is going on?
• 16:03
  SPEAKER_00: And I look through the blinds and I see a line of all these people, men and women, cameras, and all this stuff.
• 16:09
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm going, Oh my goodness, what's going on?
• 16:13
  SPEAKER_00: And so I opened the door and they all flooded inside.
• 16:17
  SPEAKER_00: So that was probably 5:45 in the morning that they hit my office, and they were all, you know, how the news media is there badgering and lying and trying to lead you astray and everything.
• 16:28
  SPEAKER_00: So it was all day long, non-stop.
• 16:30
  SPEAKER_00: So at 5 p.m., finally I said, Hey guys, the day is done.
• 16:35
  SPEAKER_00: Well, we want to interview you some more.
• 16:37
  SPEAKER_00: I said, Hey, it's real simple.
• 16:38
  SPEAKER_00: I'm closing up.
• 16:40
  SPEAKER_00: So I walked out, locked the door, went to the gate, locked the gate, got in my car.
• 16:44
  SPEAKER_00: Well, guess what?
• 16:45
  SPEAKER_00: The clown, the clowns all followed me home, so I get home, and there they all are.
• 16:51
  SPEAKER_00: So at like it's one interview after another.
• 16:56
  SPEAKER_00: And one of the funniest things I did, I got there because in Islam, you're not supposed to drink alcohol, but they all do, right?
• 17:03
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 17:03
  SPEAKER_00: And by this time, I'm pretty irritated.
• 17:06
  SPEAKER_00: I am not, I'm a marine, and I've said everything, and they keep asking me questions.
• 17:11
  SPEAKER_00: So I said, just a minute.
• 17:13
  SPEAKER_00: So I didn't let them in my house.
• 17:15
  SPEAKER_00: The all the video people were outside and I was on the front porch.
• 17:18
  SPEAKER_00: So I went inside and course beer.
• 17:21
  SPEAKER_00: I went and got a course beer, opened it up in front of the camera, started drinking beer, basically telling Islam and everybody to go to hell.
• 17:30
  SPEAKER_00: I just I had enough.
• 17:32
  SPEAKER_00: I have zero respect for Islam, zero respect for Muslims.
• 17:36
  SPEAKER_00: I've been abused by them.
• 17:38
  SPEAKER_00: I've seen the Coptic Christians raped and beaten and abused, female genital mutilation.
• 17:44
  SPEAKER_00: I worked with those people for 12 years.
• 17:46
  SPEAKER_00: I got a war, an award from Pope Shanuda III.
• 17:50
  SPEAKER_00: So back to the interview.
• 17:51
  SPEAKER_00: They're still badgering me.
• 17:53
  SPEAKER_00: And then normally I don't look at my cell phone.
• 17:55
  SPEAKER_00: I'm an old duffer, I don't like technology.
• 17:59
  SPEAKER_00: But I had my cell phone, I looked down, and here's a note.
• 18:01
  SPEAKER_00: It says, We are the FBI in Los Angeles.
• 18:04
  SPEAKER_00: You cannot leave your house.
• 18:05
  SPEAKER_00: We are coming to your house.
• 18:06
  SPEAKER_00: You must stay at your house.
• 18:08
  SPEAKER_01: So then now I So they called your cell phone.
• 18:10
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
• 18:11
  SPEAKER_00: And they had, I don't know how they got my cell phone number, but they did.
• 18:14
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, they can.
• 18:15
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I'm sure.
• 18:15
  SPEAKER_00: They did.
• 18:16
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, believe me, they knew everything about me.
• 18:18
  SPEAKER_00: So I knew uh oh, this is getting serious.
• 18:21
  SPEAKER_00: So uh go ahead and ask your next question.
• 18:23
  SPEAKER_01: So, no, so so you get the phone call, and then when did they show up at your house?
• 18:28
  SPEAKER_00: They got it, they got at my uh house at about 10 p.m.
• 18:32
  SPEAKER_00: They got there at the end, and it was interesting because I said, Hey, you you know I'm uh if I I was a marine corps officer and I was in Vietnam, and you know I got a lot.
• 18:41
  SPEAKER_00: We sir, we know all about you.
• 18:42
  SPEAKER_00: Uh I'm I was a captain in the Marine Corps in Iraq.
• 18:45
  SPEAKER_00: We know everything about you.
• 18:46
  SPEAKER_00: We know exactly all the guns you have, we know everything.
• 18:49
  SPEAKER_00: I said, You got a warrant?
• 18:51
  SPEAKER_00: You got a warrant?
• 18:52
  SPEAKER_00: No.
• 18:52
  SPEAKER_00: I said, Well, when you come out, I want to see your hands up, no guns.
• 18:55
  SPEAKER_00: I don't trust you guys.
• 18:56
  SPEAKER_00: So we're Mr.
• 18:57
  SPEAKER_00: Klein, we know who you are.
• 19:00
  SPEAKER_00: We're not gonna mess with you.
• 19:01
  SPEAKER_00: I said, Well, you ain't coming to my house.
• 19:02
  SPEAKER_00: And I said, No, no, don't worry about it.
• 19:04
  SPEAKER_00: We'll just and then this is really interesting.
• 19:07
  SPEAKER_00: He says, the media is so corrupt that we have a division of the FBI so that when an incident happens to an innocent person like you, which we know you're innocent, that we come together to protect you, which they did.
• 19:21
  SPEAKER_00: They came, they were super.
• 19:22
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, they were they knew it was a scam, they knew Hillary is at fault and Obama and Susan Rice.
• 19:29
  SPEAKER_00: They knew that those guys were murdered and it was their fault.
• 19:33
  SPEAKER_00: They knew they were really, really polite to me, very nice.
• 19:36
  SPEAKER_00: Interesting.
• 19:37
  SPEAKER_01: So, like, did was there ever any like follow-up after that?
• 19:41
  SPEAKER_01: Like, the for the reason for them to come out to you, was it just because of like the media itself, or was it also that they need to ask you questions of in terms of your involvement?
• 19:50
  SPEAKER_00: They didn't ask me really any questions about the involvement, but when I got the bomb threats two days later and had a bomb squad there, they were there to help me.
• 19:58
  SPEAKER_00: And uh they were there, I had a guy assigned to me, and then what they did was they monitored the internet for chat from the ISIS and uh Al-Qaeda and Taliban and all those guys.
• 20:09
  SPEAKER_00: Now that was in 2012.
• 20:11
  SPEAKER_00: Now, in 2015, they were monitoring, and my name came up, and there was a magazine called Dabique, D-A-B-I-Q, which is the city in Syria where we have uh Armageddon.
• 20:25
  SPEAKER_00: Well, their Armageddon is in Dabek, Syria, where they're supposed to fight all the Christian armies and destroy them all.
• 20:32
  SPEAKER_00: So Dabek 7 had my picture on there on page 59 where I they wanted to murder me, my wife, and my son.
• 20:41
  SPEAKER_00: So they they were definitely jumped in on there and started protecting me on that one too.
• 20:46
  SPEAKER_00: Interesting.
• 20:47
  SPEAKER_01: So, like, how did so eventually like did the dust eventually like settle with this?
• 20:52
  SPEAKER_01: Was there any like you know, allegations that they charged you with or whatever?
• 20:55
  SPEAKER_01: Like what would happen.
• 20:57
  SPEAKER_01: Obviously, it was kind of a it's clearly a scapegoat fiasco is the whole concept to just cover their butt for just being negligent pretty much and incompetent.
• 21:08
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 21:09
  SPEAKER_00: So 2012 he got murdered, 2013 they're in my office.
• 21:14
  SPEAKER_00: Um, at about 11:30, CNN came on and they wanted to interview me.
• 21:21
  SPEAKER_00: And so the guy starts off when he says, Well, Mr.
• 21:24
  SPEAKER_00: Klein, you got blood on your hands, you're responsible for the death of the ambassador to Benghazi.
• 21:29
  SPEAKER_00: I said, That's not true.
• 21:30
  SPEAKER_00: And I said, I can prove it.
• 21:32
  SPEAKER_00: Now, my I had a small office, but there was about 50 ABC, CBS, NBC, BBC, they had Radio, Moscow, Israel, they had all these guys in there.
• 21:43
  SPEAKER_00: And I said, I can prove that Hillary Clinton is 100% at fault for the death of the ambassador.
• 21:48
  SPEAKER_00: The room went dead silent like a morgue.
• 21:51
  SPEAKER_00: It was quiet.
• 21:52
  SPEAKER_00: And so I'm on the TV screen, and it was real simple.
• 21:56
  SPEAKER_00: I said, Hey, look, in um Cairo, Egypt.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_00: Egypt, the they had 250 Marines in the embassy there.
• 22:05
  SPEAKER_00: And when the Muslims attacked the uh embassy, when they climbed the walls and got on the top, they were staring at 250 Marines with bayonets on their rifles locked and loaded and machine guns in Gali.
• 22:18
  SPEAKER_00: The Muslims ran for the hills.
• 22:19
  SPEAKER_00: They didn't hurt anybody.
• 22:21
  SPEAKER_00: They were gone like scared little dogs.
• 22:23
  SPEAKER_00: They had their tails between their legs and running.
• 22:26
  SPEAKER_00: I said, but in Benghazi, they the key job of the Secretary of State is to protect their ambassadors.
• 22:33
  SPEAKER_00: And that's why they have the Marines out there to protect the ambassadors because things like these happen.
• 22:38
  SPEAKER_00: She didn't have any security for them at all.
• 22:41
  SPEAKER_00: So I said, look, it's 100% her fault.
• 22:44
  SPEAKER_00: Negligence is not a crime, but gross negligence is a crime.
• 22:49
  SPEAKER_00: And she was gross negligent in not having United States Marines there to protect that guy.
• 22:56
  SPEAKER_00: I didn't know about all the background and stuff until later, where the threats had been going on for weeks and weeks and weeks, and they would not protect those men.
• 23:03
  SPEAKER_00: So once I did that, the whole room was stunned.
• 23:08
  SPEAKER_00: And then um I got pretty tough with a CNN guy.
• 23:13
  SPEAKER_00: Um, and I said, Hey, look, I I answered your questions and I'm pretty much done with you.
• 23:18
  SPEAKER_00: And then the uh producer, the manager of CNN shoved him aside.
• 23:23
  SPEAKER_00: A woman, she came on and she says, Well, Mr.
• 23:26
  SPEAKER_00: Klein, I want to ask you some more questions.
• 23:28
  SPEAKER_00: I said, Hey, look, here's how it's gonna happen.
• 23:30
  SPEAKER_00: I'm gonna give you 30 seconds.
• 23:32
  SPEAKER_00: You can say whatever you want to say, and I'm gonna cut you off.
• 23:35
  SPEAKER_00: So she started to ask questions, and I'm counting in the background 30, 29, 28, 27.
• 23:41
  SPEAKER_00: I get down to five, four, three, two, one.
• 23:44
  SPEAKER_00: I said, goodbye, and I clicked off the phone.
• 23:47
  SPEAKER_00: Well, ABC is sitting in a chair next to me.
• 23:50
  SPEAKER_00: This guy, he's probably about 50 years old.
• 23:51
  SPEAKER_00: He says, I have never seen anybody treat CNN like that.
• 23:56
  SPEAKER_00: That was great.
• 23:57
  SPEAKER_00: And I can see all of the reporters were just their mouths were open.
• 24:01
  SPEAKER_00: They were like, and then I turned to him, I said, Boys and girls, I was an officer in the Marine Corps.
• 24:06
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not gonna take this crap from you.
• 24:08
  SPEAKER_00: You ask me questions, I answer.
• 24:10
  SPEAKER_00: But quit all this baloney, you're not gonna intimidate me.
• 24:13
  SPEAKER_00: That was fun.
• 24:14
  SPEAKER_00: I like that.
• 24:15
  SPEAKER_01: I bet it was.
• 24:16
  SPEAKER_01: I bet it was.
• 24:17
  SPEAKER_00: But the next day that night, I or the next day after the it was the 14th, a reporter came on to my property, was banging on the door.
• 24:26
  SPEAKER_00: My wife is just terrified.
• 24:28
  SPEAKER_00: She's it's just she's just crying, and it was pretty stressful.
• 24:32
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so the guy's banging on the door, and I got my glock in my hand.
• 24:35
  SPEAKER_00: So the door is locked, and I yelled at him, go away, dude, leave me alone.
• 24:39
  SPEAKER_00: And he wouldn't leave me alone.
• 24:41
  SPEAKER_00: He says, No, no.
• 24:42
  SPEAKER_00: And then I said, You look, you're trespassing.
• 24:44
  SPEAKER_00: So then I opened the door.
• 24:46
  SPEAKER_00: I had my Glock vertical, and so it was really great.
• 24:50
  SPEAKER_00: It was the best thing that could have happened.
• 24:52
  SPEAKER_00: He he didn't flinch, he didn't move.
• 24:54
  SPEAKER_00: I was stunned.
• 24:55
  SPEAKER_00: He did write an article that I was waving the gun.
• 24:58
  SPEAKER_00: Well, as a Marine Corps officer, I can tell you right now, I was not waving the gun, it was vertical.
• 25:04
  SPEAKER_00: So then um, I think it was KMBC, I'm not sure.
• 25:09
  SPEAKER_00: The radio is the largest radio station in the world out of Los Angeles, KX Radio, I think it was KNX Radio, came out two hours later, and this was perfect to protect me and my wife.
• 25:24
  SPEAKER_00: They said, now we got this Benghazi deal going on, and Mr.
• 25:28
  SPEAKER_00: Klein has been aggravated.
• 25:31
  SPEAKER_00: And when he opened the door, he had a pistol in his gun, and he told a reporter he was gonna blow his head off.
• 25:37
  SPEAKER_00: And we advise everyone do not go to Mr.
• 25:41
  SPEAKER_00: Klein's house, leave him alone.
• 25:44
  SPEAKER_00: I went, perfect, that's great, thank you.
• 25:47
  SPEAKER_00: And nobody bothered us anymore.
• 25:52
  SPEAKER_01: So, like, when when did you find out?
• 25:55
  SPEAKER_01: Um, I'm sorry, I forget his name, but the Nikula?
• 25:58
  SPEAKER_01: Nikula, when did you find out what happened to him and everything?
• 26:01
  SPEAKER_01: How did that all go down?
• 26:03
  SPEAKER_00: Well, they separated us the the uh um FBI or no, it was the sheriffs, LA sheriffs came in and arrested him, and so he didn't have my help at that time, and I was on my own.
• 26:15
  SPEAKER_01: So he on what grounds were they arresting him for, though?
• 26:19
  SPEAKER_00: Like I don't know if you remember or not, but they said that the video provoked the massacre of the people, which was false.
• 26:29
  SPEAKER_00: It was a total lie.
• 26:31
  SPEAKER_00: The video, this is interesting.
• 26:33
  SPEAKER_00: The video had been out for about six months.
• 26:37
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, the video had maybe 27 hits.
• 26:41
  SPEAKER_01: So was this on YouTube or yeah, it was on YouTube, it was on YouTube, 27 views.
• 26:46
  SPEAKER_00: 27 views.
• 26:48
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, but when Obama and Hillary used it, and then their reaction tainted the whole media, so it blew up worldwide.
• 27:02
  SPEAKER_00: And when I was later, a couple of weeks later, when I was talking with the FBI, and I said to him, I said, you know, that video only had like 27 views.
• 27:13
  SPEAKER_00: But when the whole machinery of the president uh went to the United Nations and they blew this thing all up, I said, I estimate, I estimate that approximately 20 billion dollars worth of free advertisement went out.
• 27:33
  SPEAKER_00: And the FBI looked at me and they said, Yeah, pretty much, because later on when they say advertisement for what exactly it was because they were broadcasting that Steve Klein and Nakula had caused the murder of the ambassador, I see, and they blew it up and they said the video was so anti-Muslim, it was the truth.
• 27:54
  SPEAKER_00: It came all from the Quran.
• 27:56
  SPEAKER_00: We just took everything from the Quran when they blew it all up, it went national.
• 28:01
  SPEAKER_00: You had every country in the world was going nuts and sending that mesh message out, and of course, it was going to all the Muslims, and the Muslims immediately I have pictures where a woman in Pakistan is got my image, the big 10-foot 10 by 10 picture of Steve Klein, and she's taking a broom and hitting me in the face, and they're burning down buildings and they're murdering people, and they're I mean, they it was crazy, they they went nuts, but it was all like I say, they went from 27 hits.
• 28:32
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, now check this out.
• 28:34
  SPEAKER_00: Three or four years later, after that, Google uh came after me, uh, wanting me to be a witness because some of the actors and actresses were suing in a Hollywood um attorney, kind of like Gloria Red, um, all red, the she got this big Hollywood attorney to represent her, and they were suing Nikula and they were suing Google, which owns YouTube.
• 29:02
  SPEAKER_01: I see.
• 29:02
  SPEAKER_00: All right, so the lead attorney from all of YouTube was one of the guys deposing me, and he set me aside and he says, You know, Mr.
• 29:12
  SPEAKER_00: Klein, that video had billions of hits, it has the most recorded hits in the lifetime of YouTube.
• 29:22
  SPEAKER_00: I said, Well, I remember going on to watch the video, and it would show 50 million hits, and then 20 minutes later I'd come back and it'd show five hits, and I couldn't figure it out, and then 40 minutes later I'd come back, it had 100 million hits, and then 30 minutes later, zero, and I figured out oh, quickly, probably Obama and whomever else was erasing as much as they could because the whole world, Muslim world, was killing each other.
• 29:57
  SPEAKER_01: But the embarrassment they would just take the video down like they did everything else back then, but but it kept popping up, it kept popping up, but people probably kept on downloading or something, and so it was like so so.
• 30:08
  SPEAKER_01: The original probably was taken down at that point, but everyone just like yeah, but check this out.
• 30:13
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, this is we told Nakula Nakula, you know before before he posted it.
• 30:21
  SPEAKER_00: We we told Nakula before he posted it, you never know what's gonna happen, Nakula.
• 30:25
  SPEAKER_00: So why don't you monetize it?
• 30:27
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, no, I don't want to monetize it.
• 30:30
  SPEAKER_00: No, oh no, and so oh no, so then the lead attorney for um YouTube, Google, he said, you know, he probably would have made 300 to 700 million dollars.
• 30:46
  SPEAKER_00: And I turned to him, I said, Well, if he had, everybody in the world would have sued him and he wouldn't have made a set anyhow.
• 30:53
  SPEAKER_00: And the attorney said, Yeah, you're right, Mr.
• 30:56
  SPEAKER_00: Klein.
• 30:56
  SPEAKER_00: But I mean, it's just so precious, you know, how fate works.
• 31:00
  SPEAKER_00: Sure.
• 31:01
  SPEAKER_00: If he had monetized that, he seriously would have been a billionaire literally in days, and I would have been probably worth four or five hundred million dollars because he would have cut with me too, because I helped him so much.
• 31:13
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it was funny, but the whole deal, Hillary, she has no heart, and that whole crew, they're just murder ink, they they have no heart, and it was it was biblical, it was just evil, it was biblical, it was they had the whole crew.
• 31:36
  SPEAKER_00: When I walked in on September 25th to get my uh permit to carry, I walked in the door for the Riverside Sheriffs, and it was two old dudes that had probably been wounded or something.
• 31:46
  SPEAKER_00: They had nothing to do, so they stuck them in to the concealed weapon permits, which they weren't issuing permits then at all.
• 31:52
  SPEAKER_00: So all they did was sit there and watch uh CNN and whatnot.
• 31:56
  SPEAKER_00: So I walked through the door, and typical, you know, my military background, having been nine years in the Marine Corps going on private, they offered me captain and I turned it down.
• 32:07
  SPEAKER_00: So, and I had a ton of experience as an officer and you know, in war for I mean, very, very close warfare.
• 32:13
  SPEAKER_00: So it's getting me upset.
• 32:14
  SPEAKER_00: It's it's scary, it's pretty hard.
• 32:16
  SPEAKER_00: You've seen me in action.
• 32:17
  SPEAKER_00: So I walked into the um the room, and they I they said, Well, what makes you think you should have a permit?
• 32:24
  SPEAKER_00: And they were watching Obama talking about me in the UN about what we had done, and I pointed to the television, I said, I'm the guy.
• 32:33
  SPEAKER_00: And they said, What?
• 32:34
  SPEAKER_00: You're the guy.
• 32:35
  SPEAKER_00: Sit down, you're getting a permit.
• 32:36
  SPEAKER_00: You need a permit, you need a permit.
• 32:38
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, so that was pretty funny.
• 32:40
  SPEAKER_00: Well, go ahead.
• 32:41
  SPEAKER_01: No, no, you're fine.
• 32:43
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so um, when so after all that like went down, did like the dust like kind of just settle at some point, or like well, when I did that deal on CNN where I I I I expressed what I did, the whole thing turned on its ear, and they were going after Hillary, and that's when they had the big interview and all that stuff.
• 33:03
  SPEAKER_00: And then I Nikula and me disappeared, but the damage was done.
• 33:08
  SPEAKER_00: They had already arrested him.
• 33:10
  SPEAKER_00: They were getting ready to arrest me, and I was down at uh Balboa Park with Gary Cass.
• 33:16
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, and all of a sudden I got a call from the FBI and they said, Steve, we need to talk to you one more time.
• 33:21
  SPEAKER_00: So I went outside and they said, Steve, did you help him upload that video?
• 33:27
  SPEAKER_00: I said, You know, I I don't know anything about technology, I don't know how to upload the video, and so that was the moment at then they arrested him and let me go.
• 33:38
  SPEAKER_00: If I had helped them to upload the video, I would have been in jail for six years too.
• 33:42
  SPEAKER_01: I see, I see.
• 33:44
  SPEAKER_01: When he got out, um, I mean you haven't had any contact with him since then?
• 33:49
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 33:49
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 33:50
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 33:50
  SPEAKER_00: Well, what happened?
• 33:52
  SPEAKER_00: He was six months in solitary and they moved him all around the United States, and then they put him into a halfway house in El Centro.
• 34:03
  SPEAKER_00: And so I got a call from him, and he said, Steve, they will put an ankle monitor and let me out, but I have to have a halfway house.
• 34:12
  SPEAKER_00: So I said, Okay, I'll take care of it.
• 34:14
  SPEAKER_00: So I called my good friend uh Wiley Drake, who is a pastor and run a uh street person shelter in Buena Park, and uh Wiley took him in for five years while he had an ankle monitor and then they let him go.
• 34:27
  SPEAKER_00: I see.
• 34:28
  SPEAKER_00: And then I will tell you some stuff in private that I cannot say over the air right now that you you'll just laugh about what he is.
• 34:36
  SPEAKER_00: I can't say over the air because no, that's I can't say anymore.
• 34:40
  SPEAKER_01: That's okay.
• 34:41
  SPEAKER_01: That's all right, that's fine.
• 34:43
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so I I I I was curious too, like, you know, like um, so what like kind of got you hooked into wanting to like pursue Islam as not only just like a mission field, but we're also realizing like the dangers of this faith specifically.
• 34:57
  SPEAKER_01: That's like a question.
• 34:58
  SPEAKER_01: Where did that kind of like uh that interest start?
• 35:02
  SPEAKER_01: Like, you know, what was there a certain like you know, event you went to or a moment that happened, or you met someone, or yeah.
• 35:09
  SPEAKER_00: That goes back to your first question where I said when I grew up I went to Vietnam.
• 35:13
  SPEAKER_00: And when I went into combined action program, our special forces, and how I gathered human intelligence and my background, because the the Viet Cong and the North Vietnamese, they were basically terrorists, guerr warriors.
• 35:26
  SPEAKER_00: We were guerrilla warriors for the Marine Corps, we had no officers with us.
• 35:30
  SPEAKER_00: That's that's amazing.
• 35:31
  SPEAKER_00: Nobody's ever heard that.
• 35:32
  SPEAKER_00: We're the only American unit in the history of American warfare.
• 35:35
  SPEAKER_00: We did not have officers in the field with us.
• 35:38
  SPEAKER_00: As an 18-year-old corporal E4, I was in charge of those guys, there was no officer.
• 35:43
  SPEAKER_00: So to survive, you know, it was either you you survive or die, boom, quick.
• 35:49
  SPEAKER_00: So I was really in tune on terrorism, on how terrorism works.
• 35:54
  SPEAKER_00: So the morning they blew up the World Trade Center.
• 35:57
  SPEAKER_00: Um, we got a call, we turned on the television, I saw the airplanes fly in the World Trade Center, and I turned to my wife, and with that little bit of knowledge, I said, Lorraine, that's an international terrorist network.
• 36:11
  SPEAKER_00: They did not do that on their own.
• 36:13
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know who they're working with.
• 36:15
  SPEAKER_00: I didn't know anything about Islam at that time.
• 36:18
  SPEAKER_00: I didn't know who they were, but I turned to my wife and I said, that is an internationally coordinated, high-tech, unbelievably sophisticated with multi-countries and multi-people involved in doing that.
• 36:32
  SPEAKER_00: That's not something on their own.
• 36:36
  SPEAKER_00: And then Gary Cass called me the next day and he said, Steve, hey, it's all come out, those guys are all Muslims, and they were working out of San Diego and La Mesa, where your dad and me went, where they we thought they were gonna kill us.
• 36:49
  SPEAKER_00: And so Gary said, Hey, can you find those terror cells?
• 36:52
  SPEAKER_00: And I said, Sure, I could.
• 36:53
  SPEAKER_00: I can.
• 36:54
  SPEAKER_00: And I did.
• 36:54
  SPEAKER_00: I found all those terror cells, I could do it right now.
• 36:57
  SPEAKER_00: It's real simple for me.
• 36:59
  SPEAKER_00: For the FBI, they would ask me, Steve, how do you know all this stuff?
• 37:03
  SPEAKER_00: Um, to which I turned to them and said, No, the real question is, why don't you know it?
• 37:07
  SPEAKER_01: Sure.
• 37:08
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it was fun.
• 37:09
  SPEAKER_00: I said, Dude, it's so simple, it's unreal.
• 37:12
  SPEAKER_00: Just walk up to the guy dressed like Osama bin Laden, start talking, make sure you got a translator with you.
• 37:18
  SPEAKER_01: That's true.
• 37:20
  SPEAKER_01: Um, like there's obviously been like crazy events that have been taking place.
• 37:25
  SPEAKER_01: Like recently, there was just like a major shooting that took place in Australia, and these of course events like just keep on like unfolding one after the other.
• 37:35
  SPEAKER_01: Like, what are your thoughts on like I mean, obviously, like with what's going on in Europe and uh just this passive aggressive like ignorance towards Islam and how they're just like adopting that uh you know, Islam quote unquote is peace, as they always say.
• 37:55
  SPEAKER_01: I I just laugh every time I hear that, by the way.
• 37:57
  SPEAKER_01: I just can't help but like chuckle.
• 37:59
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, yeah, sure, keep on telling yourself that.
• 38:01
  SPEAKER_01: Um but what are what are your thoughts on that too?
• 38:04
  SPEAKER_01: Like just also just a message to people that are in Europe right now, because I know there's people there that don't like it, but it's just like it seems like that UK is especially cooked.
• 38:14
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, it's just done, it's just awful and France, yeah, done.
• 38:17
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's a great question.
• 38:19
  SPEAKER_00: Good question.
• 38:20
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm gonna I'm gonna throw a curveball at you.
• 38:22
  SPEAKER_00: Sure.
• 38:23
  SPEAKER_00: The National Football League has 28 teams or so, 32 teams.
• 38:27
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, yeah, they all use the same rule book, but every team plays different, right?
• 38:32
  SPEAKER_00: Sure, right?
• 38:33
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but they all have to follow the rules, don't they?
• 38:36
  SPEAKER_00: True.
• 38:37
  SPEAKER_00: Well, take that analogy to Islam.
• 38:40
  SPEAKER_01: Doesn't work.
• 38:41
  SPEAKER_00: No, no, no.
• 38:42
  SPEAKER_00: It does work.
• 38:42
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, it does work, okay.
• 38:43
  SPEAKER_00: There's 1.4 billion Muslims, and their rule book is the Quran.
• 38:48
  SPEAKER_00: I see, got it.
• 38:48
  SPEAKER_00: And the Quran, see right up there, I got up there, Surah 860, true religion is terrorizing the infidel and uh creating widows and orphans, where for us as Christians, true religion is James 127.
• 39:02
  SPEAKER_00: True religion is taking care of widows and orphans, but Islam is creating AIDS.
• 39:08
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and so like the all of the NFL football teams or the baseball teams all use the same rule book.
• 39:15
  SPEAKER_00: And so all of these different Muslim terrorist groups, they're all different.
• 39:19
  SPEAKER_00: Just like when I was in Vietnam, when you went to different areas of Vietnam, they were the same Viet Cong and the same North Vietnamese army using the same communist playbook, but they all operated individually and nobody really supervised them.
• 39:36
  SPEAKER_00: Later on, it was 2004 when I went down and I spoke to the first Marine Exhibition A Forest.
• 39:42
  SPEAKER_00: They wanted to know how Marines could be guerrillas without officers in charge of them and be so successful.
• 39:49
  SPEAKER_00: The 400 of us in six months killed more than a whole 101st airborne of 20,000 guys.
• 39:55
  SPEAKER_00: They wanted to know who are you 400 guys?
• 39:58
  SPEAKER_00: You didn't even have officers in charge of you out there in the field.
• 40:01
  SPEAKER_00: That's impossible.
• 40:02
  SPEAKER_00: It's against Marine Corps doctrine, but they did it.
• 40:05
  SPEAKER_00: And I was one of the leaders.
• 40:06
  SPEAKER_00: So I went down to Camp Pendleton and I explained over about 40 minutes or so how we operated.
• 40:13
  SPEAKER_00: And they were so impressed.
• 40:15
  SPEAKER_00: It's really simple.
• 40:16
  SPEAKER_00: They were so impressed I got a standing ovation, and they hired me at$500 an hour to teach guerrilla warfare to the Marines going over to the Battle of Fallujah, too.
• 40:25
  SPEAKER_00: And when I explained it to them, they said, Steve, that won't work.
• 40:29
  SPEAKER_00: And I said, We did it in Vietnam.
• 40:31
  SPEAKER_00: That's why you brought me down here.
• 40:33
  SPEAKER_00: Well, you have to have centralized authority and you have to have the general in charge and the battle plan has to all fall flow down from the general and the uniform code of military justice and all this other stuff, international law.
• 40:45
  SPEAKER_00: I said, guerrilla warfare doesn't work that way.
• 40:48
  SPEAKER_00: They all have the same playbook, they all have the same playbook, but they operate individually.
• 40:54
  SPEAKER_00: Each guy is like Wyatt Earp here and Wild Bill Hillcock over here and Kit Carson over there, but they're all doing the same thing going across the plains and the frontier.
• 41:04
  SPEAKER_00: They couldn't understand me at all on that issue.
• 41:08
  SPEAKER_00: And that's the big problem when uh Bush wanted to go into Iraq.
• 41:13
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, we won in 16 days in conventional warfare and then we lost because the switch to guerrilla warfare and we couldn't adapt.
• 41:22
  SPEAKER_00: So that's how I got involved in that.
• 41:24
  SPEAKER_00: Got involved with the Marine Corps and got involved with uh um doing this stuff.
• 41:30
  SPEAKER_00: Now, when I was down doing these outreaches, the Coptic Christian community found out about how successful because we always had the police and detectives down there protecting your dad and me, and they couldn't understand that.
• 41:45
  SPEAKER_00: So they brought me in to a TV studio and I was a guest four or five times, and then they asked me if I would do a show once an hour, which I did for 10 years.
• 41:57
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, crazy.
• 41:59
  SPEAKER_01: That's really cool.
• 42:00
  SPEAKER_00: I didn't get paid, by the way.
• 42:01
  SPEAKER_00: It was all voluntary.
• 42:03
  SPEAKER_00: That was part of the lawsuit with uh the Google attorney and the attorney that was against me.
• 42:08
  SPEAKER_00: She said, Well, Mr.
• 42:09
  SPEAKER_00: Klein, so you must have made a ton of money over 10 years and doing a weekly show.
• 42:14
  SPEAKER_00: And I looked at my attorney and I he looked at me and I said, I never got paid a cent.
• 42:19
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 42:19
  SPEAKER_00: And she says, You didn't get paid a cent, and you had your own TV show with over 40 million viewers?
• 42:26
  SPEAKER_00: I said, All the viewers who are in the Middle East, they didn't have any money, they weren't paying anything.
• 42:31
  SPEAKER_00: She you didn't get paid a cent.
• 42:32
  SPEAKER_00: So she said, This deposition is over.
• 42:35
  SPEAKER_00: I've been in depositions which are 12 hours long.
• 42:38
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I've been deposed over 20 times involvement in this stuff.
• 42:43
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 42:44
  SPEAKER_01: So what do you think is gonna like how it's gonna all unfold as far as like if you if you were trying to call how it's gonna all go down, especially like in Europe right now with uh where it's at?
• 42:56
  SPEAKER_01: I know that there's obviously like there's been like you know, they had like that huge, you know, uh protest rally that I think there's like three million people in Britain that they march and stuff.
• 43:07
  SPEAKER_01: But again, like you and I both know this all too well, especially when it comes to history, is that you can have all the feet on the ground, but if you have feet on the ground without guns, it's practically worthless.
• 43:19
  SPEAKER_01: And when you look at Australia and you also look at the UK right now, they have pretty much like made themselves naked to the government and exposed to basically anything that they would like to change, is almost like impossible.
• 43:34
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, do would you say that is the case, or do you see any type of change that could uh turn it around, or like where how do you think it's gonna all go down pretty much?
• 43:43
  SPEAKER_00: You know me.
• 43:44
  SPEAKER_00: You know what I've been through.
• 43:45
  SPEAKER_00: Do you feel do you are you nervous in my house?
• 43:48
  SPEAKER_00: No, of course not.
• 43:50
  SPEAKER_00: You know that the Muslims know I live here, you know that they want to kill me, you know they want to murder me, don't you?
• 43:54
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, I'm sure they do.
• 43:55
  SPEAKER_01: What's that thing sitting right there?
• 43:57
  SPEAKER_00: You don't have to say Second Amendment.
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_00: Amendment, you know what I've done, you know what I've got.
• 44:01
  SPEAKER_00: So are the FBI, so do the Muslims.
• 44:04
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 44:04
  SPEAKER_00: The Muslims.
• 44:05
  SPEAKER_00: So going back to that, praise God that we have the Second Amendment, which goes back to Romans 13, 4, the revenger of God.
• 44:12
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, when people say, Oh, justice, vengeance is mine, thus saith the Lord, I said, Well, you know what, dude?
• 44:19
  SPEAKER_00: I'm the civil magistrate.
• 44:21
  SPEAKER_00: I'm the Ultor Day.
• 44:23
  SPEAKER_00: I am the revenger of God.
• 44:25
  SPEAKER_00: I have the sword and I will kill anybody that comes after my family or you or innocent people and Jesus Himself.
• 44:34
  SPEAKER_00: This gets into a real good deal right now.
• 44:35
  SPEAKER_00: I'm gonna flip you for a second.
• 44:37
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 44:37
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm sick and tired of hearing what would Moha what would Jesus do?
• 44:42
  SPEAKER_00: Because when that happened, he had to fulfill scripture.
• 44:46
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 44:46
  SPEAKER_00: He had to God cannot be killed.
• 44:49
  SPEAKER_00: God cannot commit suicide.
• 44:52
  SPEAKER_00: But in order to fulfill the prophecies back in Isaiah, the suffering servant and whatnot, he had to allow them to beat him, to spit on him, to knock him down, put that crown of thorns on him, to put him on the cross and stab him.
• 45:08
  SPEAKER_00: And when he said, put away your sword, those who live by the sword die by the sword.
• 45:13
  SPEAKER_00: Well, frankly, I live by the sword and I'm happy to, because that's my calling.
• 45:18
  SPEAKER_00: That's the calling of the Marines and the army and the navy and air force and all those guys.
• 45:22
  SPEAKER_00: Romans 13:4.
• 45:24
  SPEAKER_00: Look at that very clear uh carefully.
• 45:28
  SPEAKER_00: Jesus at that time was a lamb, led to the slaughter.
• 45:33
  SPEAKER_00: When you go to Revelation, he ain't no lamb.
• 45:36
  SPEAKER_00: No, he's the lion of God that's gonna come back.
• 45:40
  SPEAKER_00: What will Jesus do?
• 45:42
  SPEAKER_00: He's gonna kill so many people with his saints, it makes a lake of blood 200 miles long, the depth of a horse's bridle about five feet deep or so.
• 45:51
  SPEAKER_00: So the church is victorious.
• 45:54
  SPEAKER_00: Quit acting like we're losers.
• 45:56
  SPEAKER_00: Amen.
• 45:57
  SPEAKER_00: Quit this stuff with what would Jesus do?
• 46:00
  SPEAKER_00: At that specific time in history, he had no choice because he's the Trinity, it was his prophecy.
• 46:08
  SPEAKER_00: He had to fulfill it.
• 46:09
  SPEAKER_00: And in a way, it's I'm it's almost suicidal.
• 46:15
  SPEAKER_00: He cooperated and helped, he turned the cheek, he let them do.
• 46:19
  SPEAKER_00: He had to, he invited them to.
• 46:22
  SPEAKER_00: Then when he was resurrected, he wasn't no lamb anymore.
• 46:28
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 46:28
  SPEAKER_00: There was nobody gonna spit on him, there was nobody gonna hit him, there was nobody gonna beat him, and the church went out victoriously.
• 46:38
  SPEAKER_00: And the crusades, which I've studied, and I am an authority on military operations as a battle planner for the Marine Corps.
• 46:45
  SPEAKER_00: Thank God for the four crusades.
• 46:47
  SPEAKER_00: Was there problems?
• 46:48
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I shot a civilian in Vietnam too, and I was court-martialed and exonerated.
• 46:52
  SPEAKER_00: When you're in combat, it's confusing.
• 46:55
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's not like a movie.
• 46:57
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, they're over here, we're over here.
• 46:59
  SPEAKER_00: Grenades are going back and forth, claymores, RPGs, rockets, uh, bullets, automatic weapons.
• 47:06
  SPEAKER_00: It's confusing.
• 47:07
  SPEAKER_00: And then the fourth crusade, that was Pope Innocent the Third, and that was all a political deal.
• 47:13
  SPEAKER_00: I'm not going to get into it, but that was a disaster.
• 47:16
  SPEAKER_00: But the first three crusades, especially number three on Richard the Lionheart, was very good.
• 47:22
  SPEAKER_00: If they didn't do those crusades, Europe would have all been Muslim.
• 47:26
  SPEAKER_00: Um, Charles Martel, the hammer, if he hadn't at the Battle of Poitiers, I think it was six seven thirty-two AD, if he hadn't won, all of Europe would have been Muslim.
• 47:40
  SPEAKER_00: And so going back to this deal, like me explaining how does Islam work in the playbook with the different NFL or baseball teams, they all use the same playbook.
• 47:50
  SPEAKER_00: Their playbook is the Quran and Surah 860, which is the in the logo of the Muslim Brotherhood, Surah 860 says to do jihad and terrorize the infidel.
• 48:02
  SPEAKER_00: And when you start working with them, if you go face to face like I did in Gary Cass, you better be a pretty bad dude or have the police there.
• 48:10
  SPEAKER_00: They will beat you or kill you.
• 48:12
  SPEAKER_00: That one time we went to La Mesa.
• 48:13
  SPEAKER_00: Now, that La Mesa mosque, he coordinated the 19 guys that flew in the World Trade Center.
• 48:19
  SPEAKER_00: He did that in La Mesa and San Diego.
• 48:23
  SPEAKER_00: And nobody knew about it.
• 48:24
  SPEAKER_00: We killed him years later.
• 48:26
  SPEAKER_00: I think it was 2013.
• 48:27
  SPEAKER_00: We kill him in Yemen because he was murdering everybody again.
• 48:33
  SPEAKER_00: So the key is Islam.
• 48:36
  SPEAKER_00: The playbook for us is the Bible and the Holy Scriptures.
• 48:40
  SPEAKER_00: What would Jesus do?
• 48:42
  SPEAKER_00: A wonderful doctrine in those days.
• 48:44
  SPEAKER_00: What will Jesus do?
• 48:46
  SPEAKER_00: He's coming back to kick ass and take names.
• 48:49
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, he's gonna whoop people.
• 48:50
  SPEAKER_00: So when I go out and the Muslims know me, they know leave that Christian there alone.
• 48:56
  SPEAKER_00: He will knock you.
• 48:58
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I'll tell you a good story.
• 48:59
  SPEAKER_00: It was a week before they blew up the World Trade Center.
• 49:02
  SPEAKER_00: I remember my old office used to work at it.
• 49:04
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 49:05
  SPEAKER_00: And this guy walks in the door with a little girl and a woman in a birk and a veil.
• 49:09
  SPEAKER_00: I didn't know what a birk and a veil was then.
• 49:12
  SPEAKER_00: I knew there was this religion called Islam.
• 49:14
  SPEAKER_00: I didn't know anything about it.
• 49:15
  SPEAKER_00: Now, the key is this is seven days before they blew up the World Trade Center.
• 49:19
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 49:19
  SPEAKER_00: Now I did legal papers in those days for people who lost their license and they needed to get a form called a uh SR22.
• 49:27
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 49:28
  SPEAKER_00: And so and to do I did the insurance for it.
• 49:30
  SPEAKER_00: It was about a two-hour deal.
• 49:32
  SPEAKER_00: That was before computers and whatnot.
• 49:34
  SPEAKER_00: So he comes and sits down and he's a big guy.
• 49:38
  SPEAKER_00: He's got this weird woman in this weird black outfit and a little cute little girl.
• 49:42
  SPEAKER_00: She's dressed normal.
• 49:44
  SPEAKER_00: But after about three or four minutes, he says, I have to go to Dearborn, Michigan.
• 49:47
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know what Dearborn, Michigan is.
• 49:49
  SPEAKER_00: I had no idea it was the capital of Islamic terrorism.
• 49:53
  SPEAKER_00: So he throws a hundred-dollar bill down.
• 49:55
  SPEAKER_00: He says, Give me the SR22, and I'm gone.
• 49:57
  SPEAKER_00: I said, I can't do that.
• 49:58
  SPEAKER_00: So he starts yelling and screaming at me.
• 50:00
  SPEAKER_00: My wife Lorraine is sitting next to me.
• 50:03
  SPEAKER_00: She worked with me at that time.
• 50:05
  SPEAKER_00: And she could see that I was losing it.
• 50:07
  SPEAKER_00: He was definitely losing it.
• 50:09
  SPEAKER_00: So she came over, tried to settle down, took him over.
• 50:12
  SPEAKER_00: The same thing, flips a hundred-dollar bills.
• 50:14
  SPEAKER_00: She can't do it.
• 50:15
  SPEAKER_00: So he's yelling and screaming.
• 50:17
  SPEAKER_00: I said, Dude, you got to get out of here.
• 50:18
  SPEAKER_00: We want to get out.
• 50:19
  SPEAKER_00: So I smashed him as hard as I could in the chest and knocked him down.
• 50:23
  SPEAKER_00: And he gets back up.
• 50:24
  SPEAKER_00: This is very interesting.
• 50:25
  SPEAKER_00: He got back up and he says, You cannot hit me.
• 50:28
  SPEAKER_00: I said, Why can't I hit you?
• 50:30
  SPEAKER_00: He says, You are the Christian.
• 50:32
  SPEAKER_00: You have to turn the cheek.
• 50:33
  SPEAKER_00: Boom, I knocked him on his ass again.
• 50:36
  SPEAKER_00: So the police came, blah, blah, blah.
• 50:37
  SPEAKER_00: Everything worked out.
• 50:38
  SPEAKER_00: Everything.
• 50:39
  SPEAKER_00: But in my research later on, there's a thing called the Pact of Umar, U M-A-R.
• 50:45
  SPEAKER_00: You can look it up on YouTube or on the internet.
• 50:50
  SPEAKER_00: Pact, P-A-C-T of Umar.
• 50:53
  SPEAKER_00: When the Muslims invade and take over a country, they rule under the Pact of Umar.
• 51:00
  SPEAKER_00: And there's about 20 different things in the Pact of Umar.
• 51:04
  SPEAKER_00: And one of them is a Christian is not allowed to hit a Muslim no matter what.
• 51:11
  SPEAKER_01: Interesting.
• 51:12
  SPEAKER_01: So I've never heard that before.
• 51:13
  SPEAKER_00: No, it's in and you can when you get done, look up Pact of Umar, and it's it's in like number 15 or 16 or so.
• 51:21
  SPEAKER_00: And a Muslim under the Pact of Umar can come in, take over your house for three days, eat all the food he wants, takes over everything.
• 51:29
  SPEAKER_00: He can have your wife, he can have your daughter.
• 51:31
  SPEAKER_00: It's all in the pact of Umar.
• 51:33
  SPEAKER_00: After three days, he has to leave.
• 51:35
  SPEAKER_00: But after one day, he can come back.
• 51:38
  SPEAKER_00: Now they don't do that anymore because of publicity and uh you know TV and radio.
• 51:43
  SPEAKER_00: They don't do that anymore.
• 51:45
  SPEAKER_00: But they did that up until about the 11th century or maybe later, 15th century or so.
• 51:50
  SPEAKER_00: But if they conquer the world, they will do that, pack to Umar.
• 51:55
  SPEAKER_00: So it was about seven or eight years ago, after I had learned everything about Islam and what and I woke up and I remembered that incident, and I went, that's one of the guys that flew into the World Trade Center.
• 52:10
  SPEAKER_00: He came to my office the week before and he kept saying, I have to go to Dearborn, I have to go to Dearborn.
• 52:16
  SPEAKER_00: And that was the epicenter of how they coordinated all the guys that flew into the World Trade Center.
• 52:20
  SPEAKER_00: And he needed that form because he'd gotten a drunk driving and he needed that form to get his license so he could drive to Dearborn, Michigan.
• 52:29
  SPEAKER_00: And then it was exactly a week later they blew up the World Trade Center.
• 52:33
  SPEAKER_00: But when he said to me, You cannot hit me, and I said, Why not?
• 52:37
  SPEAKER_00: He says, You are the Christian.
• 52:39
  SPEAKER_00: He was quoting the pact of Umar.
• 52:41
  SPEAKER_00: And that goes back to the Quran and that guidebook, their rules, just like the NFL and uh baseball and basketball, they have their rules, but every team is different.
• 52:52
  SPEAKER_00: So Al-Qaeda and ISIS and Taliban, Boko Haram, there's like five or seven hundred different groups of Muslim terrorists, but they all use the same rule book.
• 53:04
  SPEAKER_00: It's the Quran.
• 53:05
  SPEAKER_00: So when people say to me, Oh, but they're so nice, I go, Yeah, so is a con artist when he's selling you a bad car.
• 53:11
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, they're very nice, but later on, they're gonna get you.
• 53:14
  SPEAKER_01: What is that?
• 53:15
  SPEAKER_01: Um, because I I forget the word, but there's a word for in Islam that gives them permission to lie.
• 53:22
  SPEAKER_00: Taki aqia, maruna, and there's two other words.
• 53:28
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, it's the same thing with the Mormons, whether you can uh uh lying for the Lord.
• 53:34
  SPEAKER_01: I see.
• 53:34
  SPEAKER_00: And they're instructed that's part of the rule book of Islam, that they lie to you when they're less than one percent of the population.
• 53:42
  SPEAKER_00: We love America and whatnot.
• 53:43
  SPEAKER_00: That the always when I was talking to them, and they would switch from English to Arabic, the first thing they said was, we want a nuclear bomb, America, and we want to cut your head off.
• 53:54
  SPEAKER_00: And it goes by percentile.
• 53:56
  SPEAKER_00: So right now, France is about 10%, and so that's why they're when they get to 10%, they become violent.
• 54:03
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, the UK is around 10%, and that's why they're getting violent.
• 54:08
  SPEAKER_00: Throughout America, we're between one and one and a half percent.
• 54:12
  SPEAKER_00: But the terra cells are in every every mosque, in my opinion, every Sunni mosque is uh, I know for a fact, the ones in California I've met them, I've met their leaders, and I know for a fact they're all Muslim Brotherhood.
• 54:25
  SPEAKER_00: And the guy that convinced George W.
• 54:28
  SPEAKER_00: Bush that it's a religion of peace is uh Musa Mu Sadiqi, the Imam in Garden Grove, and he's clearly Muslim Brotherhood.
• 54:35
  SPEAKER_00: I've met all these guys face to face.
• 54:38
  SPEAKER_00: They know me, I know them.
• 54:40
  SPEAKER_01: It's just crazy, too, because I think what people don't understand, they they ignorance is bliss, but a lot of people say, like, oh, look, we have a mosque, uh, we're diverse and all this stuff.
• 54:51
  SPEAKER_01: But what they don't understand in the religion of Islam, it's not there as a say, like, oh, this is our religion.
• 54:59
  SPEAKER_01: That symbol of the mosque itself is about this is us dominating you.
• 55:04
  SPEAKER_01: Absolutely.
• 55:05
  SPEAKER_01: And we just don't get it.
• 55:06
  SPEAKER_01: It's like everyone thinks, like, oh, they're here to immigrate.
• 55:08
  SPEAKER_01: No, they're here to dominate, is what they're here to do.
• 55:11
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 55:12
  SPEAKER_01: And there's this, I at that's at some point, you know, it's like, you know, you can look at these other, you know, uh, because I I just had like it was online.
• 55:20
  SPEAKER_01: Actually, I had a Christian lady who because I put basically on my Facebook says, like, I don't want any more Muslims coming to America.
• 55:26
  SPEAKER_01: And she's like, Well, I, you know, I'm a Christian and like, you know, they need to hear the gospel and they're really nice to me and all this stuff.
• 55:33
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, I'm like, I was just like, I was like, are you serious?
• 55:37
  SPEAKER_01: You know, like at some point, you know, it's like it's this idea of like it first of all, it's like it's it's such a um idea.
• 55:43
  SPEAKER_01: It's like it's like, well, we have missionaries that go to Muslim countries and are sharing the gospel, and that happens, you know.
• 55:50
  SPEAKER_01: But the idea that, you know, like you're just gonna invite these people in, and you think that basically like that's an opportunity, like, well, they'll heal their gospel and then everything will be hunky-dory.
• 56:00
  SPEAKER_01: But the thing is, like, and it's not it's not the idea of like, okay, is the power of the gospel powerful?
• 56:05
  SPEAKER_01: Of course, like anyone can become saved, but it's it's kind of like what you said too, though.
• 56:10
  SPEAKER_01: It's like the what would Jesus do has become this like toxic empathy to the point of like, well, we invite everyone in because we want to be hospitable, kind.
• 56:19
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, people like you, of course, have to manipulate the scripture that talks about the you know, the soul journer and stuff.
• 56:25
  SPEAKER_01: That's another one that's always you know manipulated in terms of allowing people to come in that have an ideology that eventually they will get to a percentage, like you mentioned, which is already unfolding in Europe.
• 56:37
  SPEAKER_01: And the writing's on the wall of what's gonna happen here eventually if it doesn't get locked down, and yet still you got Christians that you know, as you said, you know, it's like, well, turn the other cheek and be kind, be you know, and at some point you got to realize, like, okay, where where's the point of though loving your neighbor?
• 56:56
  SPEAKER_01: How is that loving your neighbor?
• 56:57
  SPEAKER_01: They're not your neighbor, you know, exactly.
• 56:59
  SPEAKER_01: And like I like I look at it this way as well, because I I've I've dealt with this where I've I've talked to like several pastors before about even the second amendment, because I was always asked hypotheticals, like, well, what if they what if they change the second amendment and you have to turn your weapons in?
• 57:15
  SPEAKER_01: Are you gonna do it?
• 57:16
  SPEAKER_01: And I said, Absolutely not.
• 57:18
  SPEAKER_01: And he's like, and it was kind of like manipulative because the way it was kind of thrown back at me is like, well, it's like, don't you believe in God's sovereignty and that he'll take care of you?
• 57:25
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, I'm like, first of all, here's here's here's the silly part about that.
• 57:29
  SPEAKER_01: Um, one, it's it's it's a cowardly response to not doing what is obviously the right thing to do.
• 57:35
  SPEAKER_01: The right thing to do is like, well, I've seen throughout history what happens when you turn your guns in.
• 57:42
  SPEAKER_01: You know, Mao, Stalin, Santa Ana, the Popot, the like the whole list goes on.
• 57:47
  SPEAKER_01: And what happens to your quote unquote neighbors, they get slaughtered and raped.
• 57:53
  SPEAKER_01: So, no, I would not obey someone that took out the Second Amendment even in the United States.
• 57:58
  SPEAKER_01: I'd still keep my weapons that say, come and get it, just like they did in Texas, you know.
• 58:03
  SPEAKER_01: And I I think that is a thing that people don't understand.
• 58:07
  SPEAKER_01: Is I think that that'd be a good question to ask you, is like when it says, you know, love your neighbor, I think people don't even know what that means, you know.
• 58:15
  SPEAKER_01: If you want to so yeah, good Samaritan, he he was a good Samaritan.
• 58:19
  SPEAKER_00: What happened to the good Samaritan?
• 58:20
  SPEAKER_00: What's he they they beat the devil out of him?
• 58:23
  SPEAKER_00: He was laying there, he couldn't do anything.
• 58:27
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I'll help him.
• 58:30
  SPEAKER_00: But if some guy is too lazy, like the guy across the street who's a Jehovah's Witness, and he was having some domestic problems, so he he knows about me, he comes over and he asks me, he says, Can you come over here and protect my daughters?
• 58:43
  SPEAKER_00: And stupidly I said, Yeah.
• 58:44
  SPEAKER_00: And then when I got done, I came back home and I went, Wait a minute, that's not neighborly.
• 58:50
  SPEAKER_00: You take care of your daughter, you take care of your wife.
• 58:52
  SPEAKER_00: That's that's a commandment from God.
• 58:54
  SPEAKER_00: And again, Romans 13 4, you know, sell your cloak and buy two swords, or we had two swords, yeah, that's enough.
• 59:01
  SPEAKER_00: And then Romans 13 4, the ultor day, which is Latin for the revenger of God.
• 59:08
  SPEAKER_00: And uh, my calling, I know it upsets Christians, but I tell them, hey, I was a Marine enlisted and a Marine officer, I I am Ultor Day, and the Latin word is mala in say.
• 59:19
  SPEAKER_00: Mala in say is Latin for evil exists, evil in itself.
• 59:24
  SPEAKER_00: Mala in se means there is no jurisdiction whatsoever throughout the world, so that if I live in San Diego County or Riverside County, and let's say I go to New York, or even I go, I'll never go there, I go to Egypt and I'm walking down the street and I look in this house and I see a man getting ready to plunge a knife into a little kid.
• 59:48
  SPEAKER_00: The doctrine of mala and say says it's not my right, it is my duty, my commandment to stop that murder, even though I'm outside of my jurisdiction, I'm a civilian, I'm seeing that this guy's gonna murder a little kid.
• 1:00:03
  SPEAKER_00: And under mala and say, that legal uh tenant, which is in the United States and the world, I have to to get to that inside that house, I have to break at least four laws.
• 1:00:15
  SPEAKER_00: I have to trespass, break and enter, assault and battery, and maybe kill a guy.
• 1:00:20
  SPEAKER_00: That's four sins, but the greater sin is murder, and so I'm guilty of breaking those laws.
• 1:00:27
  SPEAKER_00: But to stop the greater sin of murder, I'm exonerated.
• 1:00:32
  SPEAKER_00: And that's that's the basis of our law, mala and say that's a basis of the Bible, that's a basis of Romans 13 4.
• 1:00:41
  SPEAKER_00: So no one is innocent if they're walking down and they see as a good Samaritan, the guy's being beaten down and he walks around him, or he won't protect him, or he won't stop him.
• 1:00:53
  SPEAKER_00: I've stopped a lot of people from doing stuff like that.
• 1:00:57
  SPEAKER_00: And I believe that that's a huge problem with the Christian community using this cowardly thing.
• 1:01:05
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I gotta be the good Samaritan.
• 1:01:07
  SPEAKER_00: There's nothing really I can do.
• 1:01:09
  SPEAKER_00: Really?
• 1:01:10
  SPEAKER_00: Well, so I think the list of the first people to go to hell, cowards, is the first one.
• 1:01:16
  SPEAKER_00: I don't like cowards, you don't either.
• 1:01:18
  SPEAKER_01: No, I do not.
• 1:01:19
  SPEAKER_01: I do not.
• 1:01:20
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and that kind of like helps with like the Lex, like we kind of uh talked a little bit about too, and I want to get deeper into it a little bit.
• 1:01:28
  SPEAKER_01: Romans 13 13 specifically, because it's obviously one that like a lot of pastors love to use, and I think it's honestly more to like I would say control their congregation.
• 1:01:39
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:01:40
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and I think there's a plea a huge misconception of even the chapter itself, because yes, there is a first verse that talks about, you know, respect those that God has put in authority, but what when you read it over and over again and like studied it, which like you challenged me to do so like a while back, like some time ago.
• 1:01:59
  SPEAKER_01: Um it's interesting because there's way more commands on how the government is to respond and protect its people than actual like how the Christians are to respect the leadership.
• 1:02:13
  SPEAKER_01: And I I wanted to get into that to you and and have you expand more on that because I think it's important because there are a lot of Christians, and you know, there's probably some Christians listening as well, but um, and people that aren't, but there's this manipulation tactic that takes place with Romans 13 to pretty much just say, like, whoa, whoa, whoa, time out.
• 1:02:32
  SPEAKER_01: You can't do that, you know.
• 1:02:34
  SPEAKER_01: But I think the the thing that's completely missed is what the text is actually saying itself as far as the commands that it's giving government rather than people.
• 1:02:43
  SPEAKER_01: And I wanted to like go in that more with you.
• 1:02:45
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:02:45
  SPEAKER_00: So did you go to John MacArthur's church with me that time?
• 1:02:49
  SPEAKER_01: I think I was with you once, yeah.
• 1:02:50
  SPEAKER_01: I was with you that one time.
• 1:02:52
  SPEAKER_00: I had the big sign of the swastika.
• 1:02:53
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, yes, yes, yes.
• 1:02:55
  SPEAKER_00: I think I was there, yeah, yeah.
• 1:02:56
  SPEAKER_00: Well, what precipitated that with and the article is still out there.
• 1:02:59
  SPEAKER_00: John MacArthur had written an article that you have to obey the civil magistrate in accordance with Romans 13, no matter what they do, no matter if it's Hitler or Stalin.
• 1:03:08
  SPEAKER_00: And I looked at that and I said to myself, now let me get this right.
• 1:03:12
  SPEAKER_00: So God gives us a law, the Ten Commandments, but John MacArthur is telling me if the civil magistrate breaks the Ten Commandments, murders the Jews, or uh, like Stalin did, locked up Solsenitzen and everybody and killed a lot of innocent people, that I have to subordinate God's law under the whim of the civil magistrate.
• 1:03:35
  SPEAKER_00: That's what he did.
• 1:03:36
  SPEAKER_00: That's what he's saying.
• 1:03:38
  SPEAKER_00: It was really funny when we got down there to John MacArthur's church, and you were with me and a couple of other guys, and I'm standing there with a big giant swastika, and on the other side, a hammer and sickle of communism.
• 1:03:52
  SPEAKER_00: And I, of course, I'd sent my letter to the governor, to the senators, to the LA City, uh LA uh uh county, LA City, to the district attorney, to the city attorney, and to request that I wanted a law LAPD policeman there to protect us under our first amendment.
• 1:04:11
  SPEAKER_00: And you know, sub-chapter, sub rosa was if you don't protect us, we'll sue you into the ground.
• 1:04:17
  SPEAKER_00: And at that time, we had sued several times on one big amount of money.
• 1:04:21
  SPEAKER_00: I got paid nothing, my attorneys got paid everything.
• 1:04:24
  SPEAKER_00: So we showed up down there at MacArthur's church.
• 1:04:28
  SPEAKER_00: There's 2,500 pastors from all over the United States, and here's this lunatic stand there with a swastika on one side and a hammer and sickle on the other side.
• 1:04:39
  SPEAKER_00: There's the sergeant of the police, and I think he had about 14 or 15 police.
• 1:04:43
  SPEAKER_00: They expected some pretty crazy things, but thank goodness they were there in accordance with Romans 13 4.
• 1:04:50
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:04:51
  SPEAKER_00: So the police sergeant came over and asked me questions.
• 1:04:55
  SPEAKER_00: He says, Is this pastor?
• 1:04:58
  SPEAKER_00: Are these guys Nazis?
• 1:04:59
  SPEAKER_00: I said, No, they're not Nazis, they just don't understand Romans 13:4, and they think that they have to subordinate the Ten Commandments and God's law under the whims and insanity of people like Hitler and Stalin.
• 1:05:15
  SPEAKER_00: And he goes, That doesn't make any sense.
• 1:05:17
  SPEAKER_00: I said, That's the whole point.
• 1:05:19
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, he says, Can you come over and talk to my other my 12 or 13 policemen here and explain what you're doing?
• 1:05:26
  SPEAKER_00: And I said, Sure, I'd be happy to.
• 1:05:28
  SPEAKER_00: And I said, By the way, I was an officer in the Marine Corps.
• 1:05:31
  SPEAKER_00: He says, Yeah, I know that.
• 1:05:32
  SPEAKER_00: He says, We're really confused.
• 1:05:34
  SPEAKER_00: These guys aren't Nazis, but you're holding a Nazi deal.
• 1:05:37
  SPEAKER_00: I said, I'm just making a point.
• 1:05:38
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:05:39
  SPEAKER_00: And I said, in the Marine Corps, and I'm sure with you guys, and I'm talking to the policemen now as a group, I said, I'm sure you were taught that you only follow lawful orders.
• 1:05:50
  SPEAKER_00: You don't follow unlawful orders.
• 1:05:53
  SPEAKER_00: And you know murder and rape and things of that nature are unlawful, and you're not going to put up with that stuff.
• 1:06:00
  SPEAKER_00: But according to what this pastor is saying, what he wrote was, even if it's Stalin or Hitler, you must obey them no matter what.
• 1:06:08
  SPEAKER_00: And every one of the policemen, including the sergeant, nodded their head and they said, Yes, you're right.
• 1:06:15
  SPEAKER_00: And then the sergeant turned to his men, and then he said to them, Whatever Mr.
• 1:06:21
  SPEAKER_00: Klein does, you will protect him no matter what.
• 1:06:26
  SPEAKER_00: And the police got it, but John MacArthur didn't.
• 1:06:29
  SPEAKER_00: Now the other thing is, I showed up with a hundred flyers.
• 1:06:33
  SPEAKER_00: Now we'd done your dad and me, we had done scores, probably hundreds of outreaches.
• 1:06:39
  SPEAKER_00: And I think the most, and we had thousands of people go past this, like at Earth Fair and whatnot.
• 1:06:44
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:06:45
  SPEAKER_00: I think the most uh flyers we ever passed out was maybe 15.
• 1:06:49
  SPEAKER_00: I always brought 100 with me, but but but I went there within five minutes, one all 100 were gone.
• 1:06:56
  SPEAKER_00: And I as I was standing, I was found myself surrounded by these curious pastors, probably between 70 and 100.
• 1:07:06
  SPEAKER_00: One guy got up in my face and was yelling and screaming and made a fool out of himself.
• 1:07:11
  SPEAKER_00: And they they told him, Hey, leave him alone.
• 1:07:12
  SPEAKER_00: The guy's making sense.
• 1:07:14
  SPEAKER_00: And so within minutes, maybe five minutes, all 100 flyers were gone.
• 1:07:20
  SPEAKER_00: And then I went back and I researched years later, and John MacArthur gave the same sermon, but he left out that part.
• 1:07:28
  SPEAKER_00: You have to obey the civil magistrate.
• 1:07:31
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, yeah, he left that part out.
• 1:07:33
  SPEAKER_00: So I knew I had gotten to him.
• 1:07:34
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:07:35
  SPEAKER_00: And it was everything that we did was true.
• 1:07:37
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 1:07:37
  SPEAKER_00: It was all true.
• 1:07:38
  SPEAKER_01: Well, and also like good, good on him too, to like, you know, correct, you know, because some don't at all.
• 1:07:43
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, usually just keep on going on, and yeah, I was there's a lot of pride and stuff in that.
• 1:07:48
  SPEAKER_01: And I think that's too, it's like, you know, and and that's like another thing that like obviously, like, you know, has been something very passionate about me because so many times with Christians, and even in a way, Romans 13's a little bit a part of that of like the our way of thinking of separation of church and state.
• 1:08:03
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, we have basically adopted what the secular world has completely told us, yes, with this complete lie, also in terms of a misrepresentation of history, which was a letter that Jefferson received from a church that was being persecuted, yeah, which was being persecuted by the government, and it was the complete opposite.
• 1:08:24
  SPEAKER_01: When so when Jefferson said there needs to be a wall of separation, it's not that church can't influence government, it's that government needs to stay out of the business of the church.
• 1:08:34
  SPEAKER_01: Amen.
• 1:08:35
  SPEAKER_01: And so what has happened now is that we now compartmentalize the idea that, well, your politics are separate from your faith, and you can vote as you want, and we can all sing kumbaya, and we can all pretend to be united, and you can vote for the party that wants to, you know, castrate, you know, children and turn them into a sex that they were not biologically born with, and you can vote for the party of murder, and you can vote for the party that wants to basically enslave you with taxes so that you can't do any good whatsoever in your community because the government is now the good source rather than the church.
• 1:09:12
  SPEAKER_01: And this is my huge beef that and I'm kind of going on a tangent there, but you're doing good, but it's true though, and I I I just don't get it because to me, if your politics do not uh prof uh basically reflect your biblical worldview, and you are promoting basically a party that is hell-bent against the church in every form imaginable, and they hate the church and they hate God, why would you give them power?
• 1:09:44
  SPEAKER_01: Which is also what you're doing with Romans 13.
• 1:09:47
  SPEAKER_01: You yes, you are responsible for your vote.
• 1:09:50
  SPEAKER_01: And I think sometimes we like to remove ourselves, like, well, I didn't vote for that part of them or stuff.
• 1:09:56
  SPEAKER_01: Like, look, I can always own up to stuff if I don't like that what Trump did, or if there's something that I disagree with, I'll I'll totally own up to it.
• 1:10:03
  SPEAKER_01: Um, like, for instance, like the Patriot Act, it's look good on paper, you know, the idea like okay, you know, we're state.
• 1:10:10
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, exactly.
• 1:10:10
  SPEAKER_01: And I'll admit I drank the Kool-Aid because I was thinking, you know, I thought, like, oh, okay, this makes sense.
• 1:10:15
  SPEAKER_01: I don't want terrorism to happen in the US.
• 1:10:17
  SPEAKER_01: And yeah, they take that fear element and they know it works well.
• 1:10:22
  SPEAKER_01: When you see freaking buildings blowing up and falling down, yeah.
• 1:10:26
  SPEAKER_01: And so then what happens is we all kind of go with it, and then we don't think like, wait, if we give that power to the government, what does that mean down the road?
• 1:10:35
  SPEAKER_01: And then sure enough, you know, checkmate, you know.
• 1:10:39
  SPEAKER_01: And so I think I just laugh though when when people try to act like it's like, oh, I don't get involved as the church, we we can't talk about politics.
• 1:10:46
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, oh, really?
• 1:10:48
  SPEAKER_01: I'm sure you're gonna start talking about politics when your 501c3 is taken away.
• 1:10:52
  SPEAKER_01: Which is which is you're linked to the politics whether you like it or not.
• 1:10:56
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, heck, even like landscaping on your church grounds is politics, like, oh, we we get a grant because we put trees on our uh property and then we get a discount.
• 1:11:05
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you're involved in politics.
• 1:11:07
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so it's this it's a joke, this idea that the church is somehow like, oh, they're just floating through society without any touch of government interference whatsoever.
• 1:11:17
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:11:18
  SPEAKER_01: And by the time it does start, then they go like, oh, everything's so screwed up in America.
• 1:11:24
  SPEAKER_01: How do we fix this?
• 1:11:25
  SPEAKER_01: I don't understand.
• 1:11:26
  SPEAKER_01: It's like, well, you've told your congregation not to get involved practically, that it's their own thing to do.
• 1:11:33
  SPEAKER_01: And I think a lot of people in churches, and and why I'm very happy where I'm at right now, a lot of churches, unfortunately, they leave uh Christians to their own demise to figure this out on their own.
• 1:11:46
  SPEAKER_01: And then what happens is like they don't have any guidance from their shepherds to say, no, vote for this, don't for that.
• 1:11:52
  SPEAKER_01: That's not biblical, don't do that.
• 1:11:53
  SPEAKER_01: The only ones they will touch are for sure in the Bible.
• 1:11:56
  SPEAKER_01: They'll talk about homosexuality and they'll talk about abortion, and that's about it.
• 1:11:59
  SPEAKER_01: And even those, it's very scarce in terms of talking about it, but it's really just frustrating.
• 1:12:07
  SPEAKER_01: Um, like how that just goes down.
• 1:12:09
  SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna interrupt.
• 1:12:10
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, please do exactly with what you're saying.
• 1:12:12
  SPEAKER_00: Um, yeah.
• 1:12:14
  SPEAKER_00: 1917 Russian Revolution, immediately Lenin and Trotsky sent infiltrators into the United States.
• 1:12:21
  SPEAKER_00: Feminism started from them, and they went after the women, and what they did was smoking was good, and they brought in have that cigarette, and all the women had smoked cigarettes, and it influenced them.
• 1:12:34
  SPEAKER_00: And so they went after the women, the feminism, they went after the blacks, and they went after the colleges, and that's all of that stuff has taken years, but now it's taken root.
• 1:12:46
  SPEAKER_00: Going back to the origins of the American Constitution, Article 1, Section 8, and Clause 10 states that piracies, uh, felonies and and pirate piracies on the high seas are handled in accordance with the law of nations.
• 1:13:04
  SPEAKER_00: Now, the law of nations is based on the Ten Commandments.
• 1:13:08
  SPEAKER_00: And Blackstone and all of our guys who wrote and were used by the Founding Fathers understood the law of nations, and then they knew that you know traveling on the high seas and whatnot was how you could do commerce from the United States to Europe to France and to Italy and whatnot.
• 1:13:28
  SPEAKER_00: You had to go to the Mediterranean, and it was the Muslims who were capturing all of our naval and marine vessels and raping the men because that's part of Islam.
• 1:13:39
  SPEAKER_00: In Islam, uh, anal sex amongst men is okay, oral sex is not.
• 1:13:45
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, guess what?
• 1:13:46
  SPEAKER_00: That's that's in their playbook.
• 1:13:48
  SPEAKER_01: That's so is that like a form of like dominance?
• 1:13:50
  SPEAKER_01: Because I don't know.
• 1:13:52
  SPEAKER_01: Kind of going full circle though, because I believe that happened also to the ambassador in Benghazi.
• 1:13:57
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, exactly.
• 1:13:58
  SPEAKER_01: They sodomized sodomized.
• 1:14:00
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, yeah, yeah.
• 1:14:00
  SPEAKER_00: And they sodomized uh Muammar Gaddafi when they murdered him.
• 1:14:03
  SPEAKER_01: And that was in the middle of the Sahib, I believe, or was that Lebanon?
• 1:14:07
  SPEAKER_00: Or um I think that was before I can't remember, but anyways, yeah, sodomy uh anal sex is okay, oral sex is not okay.
• 1:14:16
  SPEAKER_00: But going back, remember the playbook is the Quran and their hadith.
• 1:14:20
  SPEAKER_00: The hadith is the life and times of Muhammad, and whatever Muhammad did, remember he had sex with the uh six-year-old wife, man, it's called thying, and you've seen all that stuff.
• 1:14:31
  SPEAKER_00: That's kind of getting off track.
• 1:14:32
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but again, it goes back to the playbook.
• 1:14:34
  SPEAKER_00: The playbook for Islam is Surah 860, right there on my wall.
• 1:14:38
  SPEAKER_00: True religion is uh doing jihad and terrorizing the infidel and the pact of umar, and that's all everything that they do, taqiyyah and lying, is all based on Islam and coming in and infiltrating.
• 1:14:52
  SPEAKER_00: That was through Mummar Gaddafi.
• 1:14:54
  SPEAKER_00: I'll come back to that.
• 1:14:55
  SPEAKER_00: Whereas our playbook is um James 127, True Religions Taking Care of Widows and Orphans.
• 1:15:02
  SPEAKER_00: In other words, it's uh the golden rule do unto others as you would have done unto yourself, the law, the two great commandments to love God with all your heart, all your soul, and similar to that is to love your neighbor as yourself.
• 1:15:15
  SPEAKER_00: And it's all summed up in one word love.
• 1:15:16
  SPEAKER_00: Well, sometimes that word love is killing people.
• 1:15:19
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:15:20
  SPEAKER_00: When I was in Vietnam and I was killing people, was I hating or loving?
• 1:15:23
  SPEAKER_00: Well, it depends.
• 1:15:24
  SPEAKER_00: On the NVA, I didn't like them, but the people love me because I protected them.
• 1:15:28
  SPEAKER_00: And when they saw me and my Marines, they came around us because they knew we treated them as our neighbor, and we would get our give our lives to protect them.
• 1:15:38
  SPEAKER_00: And they loved us being there.
• 1:15:40
  SPEAKER_00: When I went out to the mosque, it was funny because all the Coptic Christians that say, Mr.
• 1:15:45
  SPEAKER_00: Steve, you you are a violent man.
• 1:15:47
  SPEAKER_00: We don't know if you're going to heaven because you were a Marine and you killed people.
• 1:15:50
  SPEAKER_00: I said, Yeah, well, when we go to the mosque, there's like a single file of all you guys behind me, and it's me versus the Muslims, and you're back there, and the Muslims know you hit that guy, he'll knock you out.
• 1:16:02
  SPEAKER_00: Plus, he had sold, you know, um uh policemen and everything like that, too.
• 1:16:06
  SPEAKER_00: Also, in 1892, you had the Holy Trinity, Church of the Holy Trinity versus the United States, and the Supreme Court justice came out and he said, America has always been a Christian nation.
• 1:16:19
  SPEAKER_00: We're based on the Ten Commandments, we're based on Christianity.
• 1:16:22
  SPEAKER_00: And I've showed you my Marine Corps book where it says in there, it was uh Navperse 15890.
• 1:16:30
  SPEAKER_00: You can look it up online, and it says the duty of every military officer in the United States is to protect and defend the Ten Commandments because that's a basis of the Constitution.
• 1:16:41
  SPEAKER_00: Now I know people out there are laughing.
• 1:16:43
  SPEAKER_00: You contact me, I will send you the proof.
• 1:16:46
  SPEAKER_00: You've seen it, you can go online and see it.
• 1:16:48
  SPEAKER_00: And before I was allowed to go out into combat, because Mili had just happened where we had murdered, the army had murdered about 150 innocent civilians.
• 1:16:57
  SPEAKER_00: The Commandant of the Marine Corps came back with that document, uh, nav purse 15890.
• 1:17:03
  SPEAKER_00: We had to go through that, and we had we were taught how to disobey unlawful orders and how to disarm a civilian or a uh a leader, even a general, if they wanted us to murder or rape or do things like that.
• 1:17:18
  SPEAKER_01: Crazy.
• 1:17:19
  SPEAKER_01: It's just like a good word, crazy.
• 1:17:21
  SPEAKER_01: Well, it is, it's it is crazy.
• 1:17:23
  SPEAKER_01: Well, because it's like it's been lost.
• 1:17:25
  SPEAKER_01: It's it's just been lost, too.
• 1:17:27
  SPEAKER_01: Like there, the these these code of contacts, and also just like um uh well, even well, gosh, even the military itself, like oh, big time now.
• 1:17:37
  SPEAKER_01: Big time.
• 1:17:38
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, yeah, it's just gotten to the point where it's a good thing.
• 1:17:40
  SPEAKER_00: I showed a few colonels that quote out of that book, and they said, No, no, no, we don't do that anymore.
• 1:17:45
  SPEAKER_00: We do that international law.
• 1:17:46
  SPEAKER_00: And I said, Yeah, this is the book that was written in 1957.
• 1:17:50
  SPEAKER_00: This is what we did in World War II.
• 1:17:51
  SPEAKER_00: This is why we dropped the bombs on Nagasaki and Hiroshima, because that saved at least 20 million lives.
• 1:17:58
  SPEAKER_00: And we did it through the Ten Commandments.
• 1:18:00
  SPEAKER_00: They look at me like there's a book right there, and it says Department of Defense, and it's signed off by the Marine Corps and everybody else, too.
• 1:18:07
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, they can't believe it, even though they got the proof right in front of it.
• 1:18:11
  SPEAKER_00: It's the same thing with John MacArthur and the other guys when I showed them Romans 13:4.
• 1:18:16
  SPEAKER_00: I said, Well, what you're doing when you say we have to obey Stalin and Hitler, you have subordinated the Ten Commandments, thou shalt not murder, yeah.
• 1:18:26
  SPEAKER_00: Under God's law.
• 1:18:27
  SPEAKER_00: You've put the civil magistrate who's insane, Hitler and Stalin, over God's law.
• 1:18:33
  SPEAKER_00: I said, Guys, you you got some problems there.
• 1:18:36
  SPEAKER_01: Well, that's the thing.
• 1:18:37
  SPEAKER_01: It's it's it's kind of like wanting to I I get the idea of like, okay, we want to be, we want to live peaceful and quiet lives.
• 1:18:44
  SPEAKER_01: I think the Second Amendment, we live real peaceful.
• 1:18:47
  SPEAKER_01: Nobody messes with me.
• 1:18:48
  SPEAKER_01: I know.
• 1:18:49
  SPEAKER_01: But see, that's the that's the the even uh the evenness of the field, you know.
• 1:18:54
  SPEAKER_01: Like if you have it, like people just don't understand though that the second amendment protects the first.
• 1:18:59
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 1:19:00
  SPEAKER_01: And it's like you can't no second, no first.
• 1:19:02
  SPEAKER_00: And I think out of all of them, those are probably the two most important out of the first thing is freedom of religion, then it's speech, then it's press, then you can peaceably assemble.
• 1:19:14
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, hey, Antifa, it's peaceably assemble.
• 1:19:18
  SPEAKER_00: We can shoot you when you're shooting at us.
• 1:19:20
  SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
• 1:19:21
  SPEAKER_01: I volunteer.
• 1:19:23
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I mean, no, it's like it was it's funny too, because we had like some yeah, we had some like people like you know visit our church recently from Antifa and it was pretty, pretty funny.
• 1:19:33
  SPEAKER_01: So but uh um I think like a like one last uh thing to uh ask, you know, like um as well is because this is something that like like is always and I and I understand too if there's no like no answer to this either, because I've always asked myself this question, I'm sure you have as well, is like when is there a point where it's like it requires physical violence?
• 1:20:02
  SPEAKER_01: Because I think when I sense I say so.
• 1:20:04
  SPEAKER_01: Gotcha.
• 1:20:05
  SPEAKER_00: When I first of all, when I mean I I've been through hell and back, so I'm pretty good at this.
• 1:20:09
  SPEAKER_00: For example, um, there was a guy that came up to our church and he was naked.
• 1:20:16
  SPEAKER_00: And so the women are all screaming, I have a permit to legal carry.
• 1:20:19
  SPEAKER_00: I was legally carrying, and they turned to me, Steve, Steve, the guy's naked.
• 1:20:22
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, so I go out there and I tried to talk to him, tried to talk to him, and I was shoving him away.
• 1:20:28
  SPEAKER_00: And I told him, Look, dude, leave, leave, just go away.
• 1:20:31
  SPEAKER_00: We won't prosecute you, just go away, wouldn't do it, wouldn't do it.
• 1:20:34
  SPEAKER_00: And then finally he turned on me.
• 1:20:37
  SPEAKER_00: He was kind of walking away, and I said, just keep going, keep going.
• 1:20:41
  SPEAKER_00: And when he turned around, of course, I have a lot of experience with violence.
• 1:20:46
  SPEAKER_00: I have a lot of experience, and plus I had a gun, and he turned on me and he had that look, and I racked my pistol.
• 1:20:56
  SPEAKER_00: It's pretty funny.
• 1:20:57
  SPEAKER_00: He says, Jesus told me to come here, and I said, Jesus told me to shoot you, and that was the end of the deal.
• 1:21:05
  SPEAKER_00: The police arrived about three minutes later.
• 1:21:08
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I have tons of experience on it, and you've seen me in action.
• 1:21:14
  SPEAKER_00: Don't do it if you're not experienced.
• 1:21:16
  SPEAKER_00: The best thing you can do is get the people out of there.
• 1:21:20
  SPEAKER_00: If you can't do that, hopefully somebody there is macho and masculine enough, they'll step in.
• 1:21:28
  SPEAKER_00: And even if I I had a number of incidences in Vietnam because we had people, frankly, that shouldn't have been in the Marine Corps where I had to stand my ground by myself.
• 1:21:40
  SPEAKER_00: And I actually pointed my gun once at several Marines because they wanted to rape a little girl.
• 1:21:46
  SPEAKER_00: They thought it was funny.
• 1:21:48
  SPEAKER_00: I said, You rape that little girl, I'm gonna kill you.
• 1:21:50
  SPEAKER_00: And I think that was a loving thing to do.
• 1:21:53
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I said to them, You you touch that little girl, I will kill you.
• 1:21:56
  SPEAKER_00: I will kill you, I will kill you, I'll kill you.
• 1:21:58
  SPEAKER_00: I had the gun on full automatic.
• 1:22:00
  SPEAKER_00: And you know what?
• 1:22:00
  SPEAKER_00: I think Jesus was up above.
• 1:22:03
  SPEAKER_00: I don't know if he monitors or not, but you say, Hey, that's a pretty good deal.
• 1:22:06
  SPEAKER_00: That's very loving.
• 1:22:07
  SPEAKER_00: And I think to be a coward actually is hateful.
• 1:22:11
  SPEAKER_00: If they were gonna rape that little girl and I said, Well, da-da-da-da, okay, guys, see you later, have a good day.
• 1:22:17
  SPEAKER_00: That would be a that would be horrible.
• 1:22:20
  SPEAKER_00: And I taught my son the same thing.
• 1:22:22
  SPEAKER_00: He had the same problems in Iraq and Afghanistan, and he held his ground.
• 1:22:26
  SPEAKER_00: I've seen you hold your ground, and your dad, absolutely.
• 1:22:30
  SPEAKER_00: It's a loving thing to do.
• 1:22:31
  SPEAKER_00: Hey, it takes some huevos, you know?
• 1:22:35
  SPEAKER_00: And there's a calling.
• 1:22:36
  SPEAKER_00: Romans 13 4 is my calling, and your calling also.
• 1:22:40
  SPEAKER_00: I know it is.
• 1:22:42
  SPEAKER_00: You're very brave.
• 1:22:43
  SPEAKER_00: Romans 13 4, my calling is not to evangelize.
• 1:22:47
  SPEAKER_00: I do it, I'm not very good.
• 1:22:48
  SPEAKER_00: But Romans 13 4, I'm very good at stopping violence.
• 1:22:52
  SPEAKER_00: I am very good.
• 1:22:54
  SPEAKER_00: And I think that's very and I think it's a calling, a bodified calling.
• 1:22:58
  SPEAKER_00: Police, sheriffs, military.
• 1:23:01
  SPEAKER_00: That's our calling to protect the innocent.
• 1:23:05
  SPEAKER_00: You talk about who's your neighbor?
• 1:23:07
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it might be a guy six foot seven, but he's scared to death because somebody's got a gun.
• 1:23:11
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I got a gun, and all of a sudden I turn the tables and that six foot seven guy is very thankful that I saved him.
• 1:23:19
  SPEAKER_00: The guy that I stop's not so thankful.
• 1:23:22
  SPEAKER_00: That's fine.
• 1:23:23
  SPEAKER_00: Romans 13, 4 covers me.
• 1:23:26
  SPEAKER_01: No, that's just great stuff because I think especially right now, we just need men to be like, you know, strong and not be cowards anymore.
• 1:23:35
  SPEAKER_01: And I think uh like I this this conversation, especially just like with the things that you brought up and everything, I hope it just like kind of inspires people out there to just like take up um not only the scriptures, but just realize like I think that's the thing that I've realized in you is that people in the church and looking like this guy's kind of nuts, you know.
• 1:23:53
  SPEAKER_01: But the truth is it's like not everyone is called to the same things, and what God has gifted you with to understanding justice and the ability to want to protect people from evil, um, that is a beautiful thing.
• 1:24:10
  SPEAKER_01: It's not something that should be like, whoa, whoa, calm down there, buddy.
• 1:24:13
  SPEAKER_01: Because like I think the problem in the church right now is that they keep on asking the question, like, well, well, what does a biblical man look like?
• 1:24:20
  SPEAKER_01: But yet at the same time, they want to turn them all into women.
• 1:24:24
  SPEAKER_01: And so it's like it's it's not gonna work.
• 1:24:27
  SPEAKER_01: You can't have it both ways, you can't have it where you know you it's it's almost like in a way the church has accepted transgenderism within like the ranks of what a biblical man looks like and what a biblical woman looks like.
• 1:24:39
  SPEAKER_00: You walk away from the you walk away from the Ten Commandments, you're in trouble.
• 1:24:42
  SPEAKER_00: And it's interesting.
• 1:24:44
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, I remember somebody was asking, uh, and I'll close on this note, or you close on this note, can you give me the Ten Commandments?
• 1:24:52
  SPEAKER_00: And I remember him at I wasn't there, I was watching the TV, and I was like, Oh, let's see, don't murder or whatnot.
• 1:24:58
  SPEAKER_00: Well, now I've memorized them.
• 1:25:00
  SPEAKER_00: So, like, number one is no God but Yahweh.
• 1:25:03
  SPEAKER_00: Number two, don't worship graven images.
• 1:25:06
  SPEAKER_00: Number three, don't take Yahweh's name in vain.
• 1:25:09
  SPEAKER_00: Number eight is don't steal.
• 1:25:11
  SPEAKER_00: Number nine, don't bear false witness.
• 1:25:13
  SPEAKER_00: Number ten is uh don't covet.
• 1:25:15
  SPEAKER_00: So I know all of them.
• 1:25:16
  SPEAKER_00: And you know what?
• 1:25:17
  SPEAKER_00: That's that's a law library that's called the law on the heart, and we are all born.
• 1:25:23
  SPEAKER_00: That's it separates us from the animals.
• 1:25:25
  SPEAKER_00: The law is written on the heart.
• 1:25:28
  SPEAKER_00: We know what something is wrong, but we also know if we become a Muslim that we can lose that, we can destroy it.
• 1:25:35
  SPEAKER_00: And that's what Paul is talking about in the book of Romans, you know, and when God turns us over to our own lists.
• 1:25:43
  SPEAKER_00: This has been a great interview.
• 1:25:44
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you.
• 1:25:44
  SPEAKER_00: I appreciate it.
• 1:25:45
  SPEAKER_01: No, absolutely, uh, Steve.
• 1:25:47
  SPEAKER_01: I just thank you for your time and everything.
• 1:25:49
  SPEAKER_01: And I'm sure our listeners especially appreciate it.
• 1:25:52
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so thank you all for tuning in today.
• 1:25:55
  SPEAKER_01: Again, until next time, keep on uh being uh men of courage and doing what is right, and may God bless.