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NFL League Meetings Reaction Day 2: MNF Doubleheaders are no more, Thanksgiving Eve Games, NFL Flag Football · 3 and Out with John Middlekauff

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Speaker 1: The volume. What is going on? My people? How are
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Speaker 1: we doing? John Middlecoff, that would be me Three and
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Speaker 1: Out Podcasts, that would be this show. And we got
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Speaker 1: a lot going on, a lot of stories coming out
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Speaker 1: of the owner's meetings down the street. No more doubleheaders,
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Speaker 1: flag football might not include pro players anymore. The Lions
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Speaker 1: doing business. Things that make you shake your head. Mike
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Speaker 1: McCarthy had some comments on everyone's favorite quarterback, Will Howard
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Speaker 1: to all sorts of stuff. So we're gonna dive deep
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Speaker 1: some MEATI podcasts. Fired up to talk some football. You
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Speaker 1: guys know the drill. If you listen on Collins Feed,
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Speaker 1: Appreciate everyone that has But I do want to start
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Speaker 1: with the NFL making a change. They will no longer
1:08
Speaker 1: have the doubleheader Monday night game and me personally, I
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Speaker 1: hated it. Now I hated it for you know, I
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Speaker 1: was biased because I from a fan standpoint, Monday night,
1:24
Speaker 1: Thursday night, Sunday night. I've always believed listen, I'm a
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Speaker 1: traditionalist in the sense of when I was a kid
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Speaker 1: in the nineties, Monday night football was a really big deal.
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Speaker 1: It was a standalone game. Hell, early on in the nineties,
1:36
Speaker 1: we didn't have cable where I lived, so Sunday Night
1:39
Speaker 1: Football with Paul McGuire and Joe Thaisman, I didn't get
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Speaker 1: to watch that unless we went over to my grandma's house. Honestly,
1:47
Speaker 1: probably for the first twelve thirteen years of my life,
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Speaker 1: I didn't even know it existed. So and Thursday night
1:53
Speaker 1: football was not a thing. So playing on Monday night, especially,
1:57
Speaker 1: you know, as a young Niner fan, when Steve Young
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Speaker 1: and Jerry Rice were on back then the great AFC
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Speaker 1: rivalries with John Elway and the Kanseley Chiefs and Schottenheimer's
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Speaker 1: dad and Derek Thomas, it was awesome. It was a
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Speaker 1: really big deal. You get up from school, you don't
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Speaker 1: really want to do your homework. You throw that bad
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Speaker 1: boy on and it felt special. So when they started
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Speaker 1: doing the doubleheader, it felt like it diluted it a
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Speaker 1: little bit. Now, I understand in business you always have
2:25
Speaker 1: to try new things. It's what we do here, you know,
2:29
Speaker 1: in my business, It's what a lot of you guys do.
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Speaker 1: It doesn't mean everything is gonna work. And I'll never
2:34
Speaker 1: forget a story that I was told early out of
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Speaker 1: my podcast CAREW. We got out of radio and guy Haveberman,
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Speaker 1: who's come on this show before, who's a big ten broadcaster,
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Speaker 1: who was the voice of the Niners last year as
2:47
Speaker 1: Greg Papa fought leukemia star behind a mike when it
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Speaker 1: comes to colin a game. And we had started this
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Speaker 1: podcast left the radio show and we had kind of
2:56
Speaker 1: just built it around the forty nine ers, and we
2:58
Speaker 1: started from scratch, like we went into busines. We have
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Speaker 1: no revenue. We had to get our own advertisers, and
3:03
Speaker 1: eventually it started to getting rolling. We'd get five k here,
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Speaker 1: ten k here, and eventually we had a listener who
3:09
Speaker 1: worked for Tito's Devin, who reached out and was like, Hey,
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Speaker 1: would you guys be interested in sponsorship, And it was like,
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Speaker 1: by far the biggest thing we'd ever done, and we
3:20
Speaker 1: went to lunch with him. He's a great guy. We
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Speaker 1: became good friends with him, and he told us the
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Speaker 1: story of Tito. And for those of you that drink
3:27
Speaker 1: the alcohol, Tito comes from. Tito Beverige is the guy
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Speaker 1: that started it. That's his name. That's where they got
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Speaker 1: the name Tito's, and his story is fascinating. He's by
3:37
Speaker 1: far the biggest independent alcohol owner in the world. I mean,
3:43
Speaker 1: all these big brands that you drink, whether it's beer,
3:46
Speaker 1: whether it's hard alcohol, whether it's wine, are typically at
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Speaker 1: this point in time owned by these large conglomerates. Tito's
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Speaker 1: has denied selling that for a long time and now
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Speaker 1: is a multi billion dollar operation. But early on when
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Speaker 1: he was out, as the story was told to me,
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Speaker 1: he was in like a mini mart or, like a
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Speaker 1: seven to eleven, and he was trying to pitch his booze.
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Speaker 1: And at the time he was making flavored vodka, right,
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Speaker 1: strawberry vanilla, doing stuff like that, and the guy at
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Speaker 1: the counter grabbed him and said, Tito, follow me. He said,
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Speaker 1: lick your finger, and he went across because remember forever
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Speaker 1: like Schmirnoff made all those flavored vodkas, and he said,
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Speaker 1: look at all these. Touch all these. He said, what
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Speaker 1: do you see on your finger? And Tito looks and
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Speaker 1: he went dust. He said, yeah, no one touches them.
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Speaker 1: Don't outthink the room. Make a good vodka that people
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Speaker 1: will like, and obviously he made Tito's and the rest
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Speaker 1: is history, and I think sometimes and I'm guilty of
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Speaker 1: this too, we sometimes we outthink the room and we
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Speaker 1: do things. I never have a problem with anyone trying
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Speaker 1: something out, but when it's clear like this is not
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Speaker 1: a good idea. And to me, the doubleheader on Monday
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Speaker 1: Night was out thinking the room. It wasn't necessary. It
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Speaker 1: diluted the product. It took away from what made Monday
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Speaker 1: Night Football one of the greatest sports properties of my lifetime.
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Speaker 1: It was extremely important when I was a kid, and
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Speaker 1: it is still extremely important to this day, especially now
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Speaker 1: with Joe Buck and Troy Aikman on the call, just
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Speaker 1: like it was forever with Mike Turco and John Gruden.
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Speaker 1: It's really mattered over the Internet era. And I think
5:29
Speaker 1: when you went with the double headers, like how do
5:31
Speaker 1: we get more viewers? How do we up the number? Well,
5:34
Speaker 1: here's the reality in the NFL. The guy behind this
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Speaker 1: talked about he said, you know, it turns out people
5:40
Speaker 1: didn't like it. And you know what, and here's where
5:42
Speaker 1: I give the NFL credit. They will try things and
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Speaker 1: when they do not work, they will pivot and they
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Speaker 1: will scrap them and we will no longer have the doubleheader.
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Speaker 1: And like I said, I'm biased. I talk about these
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Speaker 1: games for a living, so it is easier for me
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Speaker 1: on Monday night just to take in the one game
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Speaker 1: and then do a podcast about it after. It's a
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Speaker 1: little bit of a pain, especially how they staggered the
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Speaker 1: games to try to watch two games, which in theory
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Speaker 1: are really important. And I also just as a fan.
6:13
Speaker 1: If I sold insurance or Dug Ditches, I wouldn't like
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Speaker 1: it either, because even if quote unquote my team is
6:21
Speaker 1: not playing, I just want to sit down and enjoy
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Speaker 1: the New England Patriots playing the Buffalo Bills. I want
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Speaker 1: to watch the Rams play the Green Bay Packers. I
6:32
Speaker 1: don't want to have to flip back and forth because
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Speaker 1: the majority of humans don't have multiple TVs and listen.
6:39
Speaker 1: I got an eighty five inch screen TV in my
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Speaker 1: living room, which at the time, especially when I grew up,
6:46
Speaker 1: big screen TVs were like the size of a suburban.
6:50
Speaker 1: So now they're thin, they're easy. You get an eighty
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Speaker 1: five inch TV, if you got a big wall, you're like,
6:53
Speaker 1: guy's kind of small. I've kind of regretted it since
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Speaker 1: at the time when I bought it, the eighty five
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Speaker 1: was like, I don't know, fifteen hundred dollars and the
7:03
Speaker 1: the basically one hundred inch TV was like eight grand,
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Speaker 1: so it's like I'm not spending eight grand and now
7:07
Speaker 1: they're way cheaper. Story for another day, But when you
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Speaker 1: do the double box, you get a lot of wasted area,
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Speaker 1: Like I like watching on my primetime game Sunday night,
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Speaker 1: Thursday night, and Monday night, just the one game. So
7:22
Speaker 1: I give the NFL credit for realizing something is like
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Speaker 1: this isn't gonna work. We can argue about the international game,
7:30
Speaker 1: but I do understand where they're coming from because they go,
7:33
Speaker 1: how many more people in America are we going to
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Speaker 1: get to watch football? Are we close to capped? And
7:41
Speaker 1: the answer is probably yeah. I mean, you kind of
7:43
Speaker 1: got the market cornered. You're the biggest sport by a mile.
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Speaker 1: You've grown dramatically with women, and now the flag football push,
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Speaker 1: which we'll get into in a minute, is gonna help.
7:53
Speaker 1: But like, they're not gonna gain another twenty percent market
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Speaker 1: share in America. So they look at these other Internet
8:00
Speaker 1: national leagues and they go, can we just dabble and
8:02
Speaker 1: add some people, especially with getting in business with Netflix,
8:06
Speaker 1: with some of these streamers where people have access to
8:09
Speaker 1: it all over the world. So I, whether I like
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Speaker 1: it or not, don't love it, Do I acknowledge that
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Speaker 1: I would rather not have a game on the West
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Speaker 1: Coast start at six thirty in the morning. Yes? Is
8:21
Speaker 1: it pretty clear that within five years there are going
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Speaker 1: to be a full slate just like Sunday Night, Thursday Night,
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Speaker 1: and Monday Night kicking off in the at six thirty
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Speaker 1: in the morning, and for those of you on the
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Speaker 1: East Coast nine thirty Eastern time, Yes, that is one
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Speaker 1: hundred percent happening this year. There's eight games. There eventually
8:38
Speaker 1: is going to be a full slate and they're gonna
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Speaker 1: sell that thing for billions of dollars. They've done a
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Speaker 1: good job of taking games that exists and creating another package.
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Speaker 1: The problem was on Monday Night Football, there was already
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Speaker 1: a game, like we already built our nights and talked
8:53
Speaker 1: about it, like Monday Night Football already existed and was thriving.
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Speaker 1: So when you add the other game, especially the way
8:59
Speaker 1: they did it with the Stafagard starts, it sucked. And
9:02
Speaker 1: they kind of had to do the staggerd start because
9:03
Speaker 1: they didn't want to do the double header where the
9:05
Speaker 1: one game kicks off at like seven thirty or seven
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Speaker 1: forty five Pacific Standard time, or these guys on the
9:11
Speaker 1: East Coast. If you gotta go to work and you
9:12
Speaker 1: gotta go to school, probably you are not staying up
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Speaker 1: for it. So I give them credit for acknowledging this
9:18
Speaker 1: is not working and we're not gonna do this anymore.
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Speaker 1: We can take those games, put them somewhere else, however
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Speaker 1: you want to do it sometime on Sunday. I don't care,
9:27
Speaker 1: but I'm glad that they scrapped this idea. The other
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Speaker 1: thing that came up today and Sean Payton talked about
9:32
Speaker 1: this because I watched Kyle Shanahan who went on with
9:36
Speaker 1: Matt Lafleur, with Florio and Sims. It's really good. And
9:40
Speaker 1: you know one thing Shanahan talked about because him and
9:43
Speaker 1: Sean Payton coached these teams, is like Kyle's pretty cocky
9:46
Speaker 1: going in. When he first got the like the gig,
9:49
Speaker 1: and he accepted, he thought it was gonna be seven
9:51
Speaker 1: on seven. He got Joe Burrow a bunch of wide receivers,
9:53
Speaker 1: like we're gonna dominate, and he quickly quickly realized it
9:57
Speaker 1: was not gonna work. And they were in major trouble,
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Speaker 1: and he even said that in one of the practices,
10:02
Speaker 1: Jake Paul like tried to get the flag of Joe
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Speaker 1: Burrow and they collided and he's like, my heart almost
10:08
Speaker 1: fell on the ground. Like it freaked me out, And
10:11
Speaker 1: Sean Payton doubled down saying, like, I'd be a little
10:14
Speaker 1: surprised if we see NFL players participating in this. Matt
10:18
Speaker 1: Lafleur was asked about it and Chris Sims goes, what
10:20
Speaker 1: if some of your wide receivers wanted to play in
10:24
Speaker 1: this event? He said, well, we'd have long talks with
10:27
Speaker 1: is this a good idea? And the answer is, when
10:30
Speaker 1: you're paying guys twenty thirty forty million dollars to work
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Speaker 1: for you, it's not a good idea, especially where it's
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Speaker 1: a completely different sport and you're at a big disadvantage.
10:41
Speaker 1: So the flag football thing is not only not going away,
10:44
Speaker 1: it's going to be a big thing and the NFL
10:47
Speaker 1: is gonna get behind it financially. But I do think
10:50
Speaker 1: we've seen the last of star NFL players participating in this.
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Speaker 1: The injury risk is just too big now. As Kyle mentioned,
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Speaker 1: it'd be really cool winning a gold medal and it
11:03
Speaker 1: turns out the coaches don't get a gold medal, so
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Speaker 1: he's like, yeah, probably wouldn't be that interested in then.
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Speaker 1: But these players, it's a completely different game. The physicality
11:11
Speaker 1: of the sport doesn't really matter, right, So a big
11:16
Speaker 1: linebacker or a big running back is going to be
11:19
Speaker 1: at a big disadvantage because you don't lower your shoulder.
11:23
Speaker 1: You're not breaking any tackles. Everything's about quickness and avoiding stuff,
11:28
Speaker 1: which is where you could get acl achilles injuries, knee injuries,
11:33
Speaker 1: which the NFL is just paying too much to have
11:35
Speaker 1: that happen. And we saw the freak out with Joe
11:38
Speaker 1: Burrow that he tried to do some three point sixty
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Speaker 1: and all of us kind of held our breath. I
11:44
Speaker 1: think it's fair to say that we will no longer
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Speaker 1: see these players participating in these events. The other thing
11:50
Speaker 1: that's pretty clear is the NFL is going to get
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Speaker 1: aggressive on Thanksgiving Eve. So we've become accustomed to Thanksgiving
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Speaker 1: being this massive day. Three games cool. They do like
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Speaker 1: forty fifty million people watch, I mean the Cowboys games
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Speaker 1: the last couple of years have felt like have got
12:08
Speaker 1: close to fifty million people sitting on their couch eating turkey,
12:12
Speaker 1: eating some gravy. Watching these games. I'm guilty or guilty.
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Speaker 1: It's awesome. I mean, oh, I'm pro Thanksgiving football. But
12:20
Speaker 1: they realize, like, what's on Wednesday night? What's everyone doing
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Speaker 1: on Wednesday? Not much? No one's working on Thursday. Really,
12:27
Speaker 1: everyone has kind of mailed it in halfway through Wednesday
12:30
Speaker 1: in isn't home, most of us maybe having a cocktail
12:33
Speaker 1: or two with family. So they're gonna get aggressive with this.
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Speaker 1: Now the question is gonna be are they gonna put
12:39
Speaker 1: a team on that Wednesday coming off a bye week,
12:42
Speaker 1: because you're not gonna make a team play on Sunday
12:45
Speaker 1: and then play a game on Wednesday. Now, what they
12:47
Speaker 1: could do is go Thursday Wednesday and then you kind
12:51
Speaker 1: of go into a mini buy, So basically, you play
12:55
Speaker 1: a short week and then you play on six days
12:58
Speaker 1: and then you get the half buy, which is kind
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Speaker 1: of what I expect. But it's pretty clear Wednesday night,
13:04
Speaker 1: the day before Thanksgiving, is going to have NFL football
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Speaker 1: moving forward. You know a lot of you guys, the
13:11
Speaker 1: Steeler fan base is massive, and I think it's pretty
13:14
Speaker 1: clear at this point. McCarthy just acknowledged this morning that
13:18
Speaker 1: he was on the phone with Aaron Rodgers on Monday night.
13:22
Speaker 1: I think at this point, if I was a betting man,
13:25
Speaker 1: and I'm sure you can bet on this on some
13:27
Speaker 1: of the prediction markets, Aaron Rodgers is going to be
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Speaker 1: the quarterback for the Pittsburgh Steelers in twenty twenty six.
13:34
Speaker 1: It's going to be kind of actually cool. The more
13:37
Speaker 1: likely I would imagine by then it would be his
13:39
Speaker 1: last season. Get back with McCarthy for just kind of
13:42
Speaker 1: one last ride, and it makes the Steelers a little
13:45
Speaker 1: more watchable. But if you listen to Aaron Rodgers over
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Speaker 1: the course of the last year, he is a big
13:51
Speaker 1: Will Howard guy. He has been singing his praises. He
13:54
Speaker 1: clearly likes him a lot. Well, who does he have
13:57
Speaker 1: a direct line to Mike McCarthy. What did my McCarthy
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Speaker 1: sayd this morning? Which I've been saying over and over.
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Speaker 1: When you're a third day pick, so starting in the
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Speaker 1: fourth round, but specifically fifth, sixth, seventh round, when you're
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Speaker 1: a quarterback, the only way to become the starter is
14:15
Speaker 1: through injuries. They do not just name you the starter.
14:19
Speaker 1: They do not just put you in the game. Hell,
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Speaker 1: third round we saw last year with with Dylan Gabriel
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Speaker 1: and Shador they both had to sit behind Joe Flacco.
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Speaker 1: They're not just gonna give you the starting nod in
14:31
Speaker 1: training camp. It is difficult unless you are a first
14:34
Speaker 1: round pick or really top of the second, and even
14:37
Speaker 1: as the top of the second, you're gonna have to
14:39
Speaker 1: win the gig. Look at Tyler Shuck. They drafted him,
14:41
Speaker 1: he wasn't a starter right away. It's it's an uphill battle.
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Speaker 1: But Mike McCarthy mentioned that if he would have been
14:49
Speaker 1: in the draft room a year ago, that Will Howard
14:52
Speaker 1: wouldn't have been on the board that long because he
14:54
Speaker 1: would have pounded the table. And maybe he's just saying this,
14:56
Speaker 1: but I think it's fair to believe him. I think
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Speaker 1: he likes him a lot. So I think it's pretty
15:02
Speaker 1: clear that if I was a betting man, because it's like, well,
15:05
Speaker 1: who are their quarterbacks? That Will Howard's gonna be the
15:08
Speaker 1: backup and Aaron Rodgers gonna be the starter, And based
15:10
Speaker 1: on a guy being over forty, there is no guarantee.
15:13
Speaker 1: And we just how last year he broke his hand
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Speaker 1: and Aaron Rodgers no longer moves it all like, Will
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Speaker 1: Howard probably gonna get some starts in twenty twenty six.
15:22
Speaker 1: So I kept saying that I wonder if they're gonna
15:25
Speaker 1: trade for a Tanner McKee, A Tyson Badget. I think
15:28
Speaker 1: I'm messing that name up. But you know who I mean,
15:30
Speaker 1: the Bears backup quarterback. I don't know, Like I wonder
15:34
Speaker 1: if they're just gonna roll in bring Rogers back in
15:37
Speaker 1: Will Howard. I'm starting to believe. And while many of
15:41
Speaker 1: you might not get your wish of Will Howard just
15:44
Speaker 1: being the starter and just seeing what they got, I'd
15:47
Speaker 1: be stunned if he doesn't play in twenty twenty six.
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Speaker 1: Dan Hurley and we've been talking about the forever with
18:01
Speaker 1: with nepotism in coaching, you know, in ownership, these people
18:05
Speaker 1: just give their kids the job. And when you're an owner,
18:08
Speaker 1: like I get it, Like you buy this team, especially
18:11
Speaker 1: over the course of the last couple decades, you're spending
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Speaker 1: an astronomical amount of money, Like ideally you just give
18:18
Speaker 1: it to your family, like you don't want to, Like
18:20
Speaker 1: that's that's why you buy the team, right, to keep
18:23
Speaker 1: it within the family, and ideally your kids really like it. Right,
18:28
Speaker 1: It's pretty clear that Stephen Jones really likes the business
18:33
Speaker 1: of football. When Lamar Hunt died, Clark Hunt very very invested.
18:38
Speaker 1: Like whether you agree or disagree, Mark Davis has really
18:41
Speaker 1: really tried for the Raiders. But not everyone likes what
18:46
Speaker 1: their parents do. And I've grown up around a lot
18:48
Speaker 1: of farmers, and my brother's a farmer, my dad was
18:51
Speaker 1: a farmer. If I went to college at kel Pauly,
18:55
Speaker 1: which is basically an engineering in an agriculture school, and
18:59
Speaker 1: most of the kids that I went to school with
19:01
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19:04
Speaker 1: they actually didn't like Thanksgiving break, Christmas break, even Spring break,
19:10
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19:12
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19:15
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19:19
Speaker 1: the moment they were five or six years old and
19:21
Speaker 1: they gravitated to it and liked it. The advantage of
19:25
Speaker 1: what they learned served them well by the time they
19:28
Speaker 1: were in their mid twenties and they'd already been working
19:30
Speaker 1: for twenty plus years. So I see the coach's picture
19:33
Speaker 1: and I see Jim and John Harbaugh. Well, what was
19:36
Speaker 1: their father? Jack Harbaugh? He was a football coach. Jim
19:40
Speaker 1: Harbaugh while he was in the NFL, helped his dad
19:45
Speaker 1: as a recruiting coordinator at Western Kentucky. Those kids were
19:50
Speaker 1: born into the life. Think about Dan Hurley, who is
19:53
Speaker 1: clearly the best college coach going right now. He's in
19:56
Speaker 1: his third final four and four years. If he were
19:59
Speaker 1: to win the national championship, he would win three in
20:02
Speaker 1: four years. It'd be one of the truly great non
20:04
Speaker 1: John Wooden runs we've ever seen. But like, that's all
20:08
Speaker 1: he's been around his entire life. He was born into
20:12
Speaker 1: the life, and it turns out he's an addict. And
20:15
Speaker 1: the advantage he has is like this ain't his first
20:18
Speaker 1: rodeo once he turned twenty five, twenty six, twenty seven,
20:22
Speaker 1: and just got into the business after he started playing.
20:24
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that can't serve you well and guys
20:27
Speaker 1: can't go on to have success. My dad wasn't in
20:30
Speaker 1: the radio or podcast business, but watching Kyle Shanahan really
20:36
Speaker 1: his entire run in the forty nine ers, like he
20:39
Speaker 1: was holding the clipboard when he was in junior high
20:43
Speaker 1: for his father. So if you do gravitate and do
20:48
Speaker 1: take a liking to whatever the profession that your father does,
20:52
Speaker 1: and get into the family business, it is a massive,
20:55
Speaker 1: massive advantage. And I don't think it's random that the
20:59
Speaker 1: Harbaughs have been pretty dominant coaches since they got into
21:03
Speaker 1: the business. I don't think it's random that Kyle Shanahan
21:06
Speaker 1: is clearly one of the best NFL coaches. Sean mcvay's
21:10
Speaker 1: grandpa was the GM for the Bill Walsh forty nine ers,
21:14
Speaker 1: someone that he idolized and looked up to. And when
21:17
Speaker 1: you look up to somebody and they do what you
21:19
Speaker 1: want to do. You can't help but get early knowledge
21:23
Speaker 1: in that there's no school, there's no classroom that's gonna
21:28
Speaker 1: teach you the education of the job that they got
21:32
Speaker 1: from their family. Now, there are a lot of people
21:35
Speaker 1: that are given gigs that don't necessarily like it and
21:39
Speaker 1: are given great jobs and it doesn't go that well,
21:42
Speaker 1: so you're not guaranteed shit. But when you do like
21:46
Speaker 1: it and clearly you have the intellectual capacity to be
21:49
Speaker 1: good at whatever said profession is, it is a massive,
21:53
Speaker 1: massive advantage. And I think Dan Hurley speaks to that.
21:55
Speaker 1: I think the Harbaugh speak to that, Clint Kubiak and
21:58
Speaker 1: the Shanahan family speak to There are a lot of
22:01
Speaker 1: guys that get into it because they loved playing, which
22:05
Speaker 1: totally understand. You become Andy Reid love football because he
22:08
Speaker 1: played football. Dan Campbell love football because he played football.
22:11
Speaker 1: Doesn't mean you can't become a really, really good coach.
22:13
Speaker 1: But like when you were holding a clipboard, it's seven
22:16
Speaker 1: years old for your dad at practice, whether it be
22:19
Speaker 1: in college or the pros, and you're getting that knowledge
22:22
Speaker 1: and understanding of dealing with players and hearing stories throughout
22:26
Speaker 1: your entire life. There is a pressure in a grind
22:29
Speaker 1: to this job that is not like many I was
22:32
Speaker 1: watching Lafleur talk about his week, and Kyle's like, yeah,
22:36
Speaker 1: usually on Friday, I go home, you know, a little
22:39
Speaker 1: after lunch, and I get to spend some time with
22:41
Speaker 1: my family after I take a couple of hour nap,
22:43
Speaker 1: and then I start working a little bit after they
22:45
Speaker 1: all go to bed on Friday night. And Laflour is like, actually,
22:48
Speaker 1: I let everyone leave and I stay and it's kind
22:51
Speaker 1: of a peaceful time for me. These are not normal
22:54
Speaker 1: jobs with the public scrutiny, the hours that are asked.
22:58
Speaker 1: I mean, even Laflour talk about it this week. He's like, yeah,
23:02
Speaker 1: a lot of our players weren't happy because I thought
23:04
Speaker 1: when the Packers let a bunch of guys go oh
23:07
Speaker 1: my god, that's a little weird. They kind of had
23:09
Speaker 1: this core group. I know they didn't quite get over
23:12
Speaker 1: the hump, but they won a lot of games. If
23:14
Speaker 1: it wasn't for a couple of injuries, they easily could
23:16
Speaker 1: have been one of the best teams in the league
23:18
Speaker 1: this year. But he's like, yeah, we had a lot
23:20
Speaker 1: of guys on our team not really like their roles,
23:22
Speaker 1: that really didn't really buy in. And like I tell everybody,
23:25
Speaker 1: if you don't like your role, this is football. No
23:28
Speaker 1: one's on scholarship. You can change it. And it's like, oh,
23:31
Speaker 1: they kind of had some locker room issues, and that's
23:34
Speaker 1: why they let everyone go. That's why they kicked everyone
23:37
Speaker 1: to the curb. And these are advantages you have when
23:40
Speaker 1: you've been in the business a little while. So I
23:43
Speaker 1: just think the uh, Bronnie James, which I didn't get
23:48
Speaker 1: as worked up for as everyone else because I'm a
23:51
Speaker 1: little getting nostalgic when I see fathers and sons. Obviously
23:56
Speaker 1: is an NBA player, Clearly not if his name was
23:59
Speaker 1: Bronni Middlecoff. What you have been drafted in the second
24:01
Speaker 1: round and been given a four year contract? No, But like,
24:04
Speaker 1: if you're lebron, what's the point of having this power
24:06
Speaker 1: If I don't fucking wheel it around a little bit
24:08
Speaker 1: and I get to be around my son, I'd probably
24:10
Speaker 1: do the same thing for my kid Jack if I
24:12
Speaker 1: was in a similar position whatever I was doing. But
24:14
Speaker 1: it doesn't mean you're gonna be good at it. There
24:16
Speaker 1: is no guarantee, and obviously as a player is different
24:18
Speaker 1: than as a coach. But I think it can be
24:23
Speaker 1: a massive, massive advantage and we're seeing it now all
24:26
Speaker 1: over coaching the Lions. You can bring in new coaches
24:32
Speaker 1: in new gms and they can change the culture of
24:35
Speaker 1: your franchise. Right hiring Brad Holmes and hiring Dan Campbell,
24:40
Speaker 1: the Lions have been on the best run since I've
24:43
Speaker 1: been alive. Right for their franchise, they have been one
24:46
Speaker 1: of the best teams in the league for like four
24:48
Speaker 1: straight years. If it wasn't for Dan being a little
24:51
Speaker 1: reckless with with the field goals and the fourth down
24:57
Speaker 1: plays in the NFC Championship game, I think it it's
25:00
Speaker 1: fair to say that they go to the Super Bowl
25:02
Speaker 1: a couple years ago, right the year they played the Niners.
25:05
Speaker 1: But Dan's been a success. Last year was a quote
25:08
Speaker 1: unquote disaster for them, and they went nine and eight.
25:11
Speaker 1: Do you know what Matt Stafford in his tenure would
25:14
Speaker 1: have signed up for, been like, Hey, this's gonna be
25:16
Speaker 1: a disastrous season. We're gonna go nine and eight. So
25:18
Speaker 1: they have changed the trajectory of the franchise. They got
25:22
Speaker 1: real stud players, they got a real thing going. I
25:26
Speaker 1: think the Lions are gonna be good this year that
25:28
Speaker 1: they draft well, they have high impact guys. Under this regime,
25:33
Speaker 1: most teams can't get rid of the most talented quarterback
25:37
Speaker 1: they've ever had. Again since I've been alive, and pivot
25:41
Speaker 1: and get better, which they did in the trade for
25:43
Speaker 1: Stafford and Golf in the first round picks. But you
25:47
Speaker 1: don't fire ownership and the core beliefs of the franchise
25:53
Speaker 1: always come from the people signing the checks. And when
25:57
Speaker 1: Barry Sanders retired in Calvin Johnson retired, the Lions made
26:02
Speaker 1: them give back money because when I give you a
26:06
Speaker 1: signing bonus, and we just talked about this with Jackson
26:09
Speaker 1: Smith and Jigba, there is a difference between the salary
26:13
Speaker 1: cap in cash spending. Right, So when they give Jackson
26:18
Speaker 1: Smith a thirty five million dollar guaranteed contract or I
26:21
Speaker 1: mean a signing bonus, he gets that into his direct
26:25
Speaker 1: deposit in sometime over a two week span. Now, taxes
26:29
Speaker 1: are taken out because he's a W two employee, but
26:32
Speaker 1: he will get I don't know, you know, they got
26:34
Speaker 1: no state income tax in Washington. I don't know exactly
26:36
Speaker 1: what the number will be, but my guess would be
26:39
Speaker 1: twenty two, twenty three, twenty four million dollars will be
26:42
Speaker 1: direct deposited into his Chase Bank account, into his Wells
26:45
Speaker 1: Fargo account. It's got to be pretty incredible. But that
26:48
Speaker 1: bonus is for the life of the contract. Now, obviously
26:52
Speaker 1: you're paid on top of it as the years go,
26:55
Speaker 1: but you are paid up front an amount of money
26:58
Speaker 1: for your four or five year and the Lions have
27:03
Speaker 1: a company mandate that if you don't finish it out,
27:08
Speaker 1: as Barry Sanders, as Calvin Johnson retired early, you have
27:13
Speaker 1: to pay back whatever the you know, a crude amount
27:17
Speaker 1: that you didn't earn. And Frank Ragnow, who basically died
27:22
Speaker 1: on the field for the franchise, has to pay them
27:26
Speaker 1: back three million dollars of whatever his total signing bonus is.
27:31
Speaker 1: Because he's retiring. You can't play anymore. He tried to
27:34
Speaker 1: come back last year but couldn't pass the physical. Why
27:38
Speaker 1: because he's so fucked up for laying it on the
27:42
Speaker 1: line for the franchise. If you remember, Andrew Luck got
27:46
Speaker 1: a massive contract at the time, I'm pretty sure it
27:49
Speaker 1: was the biggest contract in NFL history, and then a
27:52
Speaker 1: couple weeks later at that preseason game, he just retires.
27:57
Speaker 1: He quits, Jim irsay, let him the twenty five million dollars. Now,
28:02
Speaker 1: if these were normal businesses, right like if I just
28:06
Speaker 1: quit on the volume in Netflix and they had already
28:10
Speaker 1: paid me up front cash, more than likely. And a
28:12
Speaker 1: lot of you guys deal with this in whatever industries
28:15
Speaker 1: like you get lawsuits involved, civil lawsuits. That's the way
28:18
Speaker 1: business works. People were always at each other's throat saying,
28:20
Speaker 1: you owe me this, we paid you for this, you
28:22
Speaker 1: didn't do this. As the way the world works. Pro
28:26
Speaker 1: sports a little different, especially for guys Barry Sanders. Calvin
28:31
Speaker 1: Johnson's foot started fucking falling off because of what he
28:34
Speaker 1: did for the Lions when they were atrocious. Ragdow was
28:38
Speaker 1: one of the better players for one of the best
28:41
Speaker 1: stretches in Lions history, and you make him pay three
28:45
Speaker 1: million dollars back. And then Rod Wood, who I'm pretty
28:48
Speaker 1: sure just retired or is retiring. After the draft, the
28:51
Speaker 1: team president gave an example of if we signed tomorrow
28:55
Speaker 1: Jamier Gibbs to twenty million dollars and he retired on Friday,
29:00
Speaker 1: we would get the twenty million dollars back. Well, yeah, Rod,
29:03
Speaker 1: we understand that, But in a situation where you gave
29:07
Speaker 1: Jamier Gibbs twenty million dollars and in two and a
29:10
Speaker 1: half years he shatters his knee and is not able
29:13
Speaker 1: to play anymore and retires. And you say, hey, you
29:15
Speaker 1: owe a seven million dollars back. You're kind of a
29:18
Speaker 1: fucking loser. And this is the difference. And this is
29:22
Speaker 1: where when these people sign up, because Dan Campbell and
29:25
Speaker 1: Brad Holmes, they are impressive individuals, but they're working for
29:29
Speaker 1: kind of an archaic organization and they're working for a
29:32
Speaker 1: family that like kind of holding on to the past.
29:35
Speaker 1: Understand that mindset a little bit in the seventies, eighties
29:39
Speaker 1: and nineties because the money was not flowing like it
29:42
Speaker 1: is now in the NFL. Now, making someone pay something
29:46
Speaker 1: back like three million dollars of a signing bonus isn't
29:50
Speaker 1: just a rounding error. That is the type money that
29:52
Speaker 1: an NFL team would like find not in a couch cushion,
29:56
Speaker 1: but like under the couch, just sitting there. No one
30:00
Speaker 1: would notice and no one would care. My first takeaway
30:03
Speaker 1: kind of embarrassing. And I actually I it even made
30:08
Speaker 1: me or gave like more respect for what they've done.
30:14
Speaker 1: The GM and the head coach given what they're dealing
30:17
Speaker 1: with because that's kind of a joke and that's not
30:20
Speaker 1: a great look. And I'm not a big believer in
30:22
Speaker 1: good look bad look like. Business is business. This is
30:25
Speaker 1: one of those where it's like, what are we doing? Guys,
30:29
Speaker 1: what are we doing? And it also reflects very positively
30:33
Speaker 1: on Arsay who listen, had his troubles, had his demons, uh,
30:38
Speaker 1: but by all accounts, was a pretty great person to
30:40
Speaker 1: a lot of people. Speaking of demons, I just saw
30:43
Speaker 1: Tiger Woods. I want to say, is going to rehab.
30:47
Speaker 1: He said he's seeking help. So I don't know if
30:49
Speaker 1: we can we can go as far as saying he's
30:51
Speaker 1: going to rehab because he didn't actually say those words.
30:54
Speaker 1: But I think a lot of people are gonna cover
30:56
Speaker 1: this story and where he ends up. I'd be a
30:58
Speaker 1: little stunned if he's not in Yeah. Another story I
31:02
Speaker 1: saw today is that Andy Reid said this morning that
31:08
Speaker 1: Justin Fields is more than a gadget player, that we
31:13
Speaker 1: think there's a lot of untapped potential there and he's
31:16
Speaker 1: a quarterback, and depending on what happens to Mahomes, there's
31:19
Speaker 1: a decent chance that Justin Fields could be the starter
31:23
Speaker 1: Week one. Now By all accounts, mahomes rehab is going great,
31:27
Speaker 1: and if he stays on that trajectory, Patrick mahonmes can
31:29
Speaker 1: be the starter week one. But we've seen enough injuries.
31:32
Speaker 1: You never know. You can't put these things in cement,
31:35
Speaker 1: you can't write them down in sharply. You never know, right,
31:38
Speaker 1: especially if you get any hesitation. Maybe once he comes
31:41
Speaker 1: back full speed, there's a little swelling. They will be
31:44
Speaker 1: overly cautious with Patrick Mahomes, as they should be. But
31:49
Speaker 1: there's another story that Andy Richson asked for a trade
31:53
Speaker 1: and the culture like, yeah, we'll trade you. But here's
31:56
Speaker 1: the problem. No one's trading for. And I was thinking
32:00
Speaker 1: about this. J Justin Fields has not been a good
32:03
Speaker 1: player obviously. Last year was a train wreck for the Jets.
32:08
Speaker 1: When he was on the Bears, it didn't go that well.
32:10
Speaker 1: I actually think he had some moments on the Steelers,
32:12
Speaker 1: but clearly he has struggled to play quarterback at the
32:16
Speaker 1: level in which I thought I loved him as a prospect.
32:19
Speaker 1: I'm like that speed, that arm, the game he had
32:22
Speaker 1: against Clemson where he was throwing the bombs, Like listen,
32:25
Speaker 1: I come from the Andy Reid Pat Hill traits, physical attributes.
32:29
Speaker 1: I was like, I love this guy. I was said
32:31
Speaker 1: at the time the forty nine er should have drafted
32:33
Speaker 1: him third. Overall, clearly I was wrong. Now they were
32:36
Speaker 1: also wrong on the guy they drafted, but you would
32:38
Speaker 1: have been wrong at every guy they drafted. Maybe mac
32:41
Speaker 1: Jones would have turned into party doubt it, not as
32:43
Speaker 1: good as an athlete, but regardless, but he got me thinking.
32:49
Speaker 1: This is why people ask like, well, do you have
32:51
Speaker 1: to evaluate every player? Yes, you evaluate every player in
32:55
Speaker 1: the draft because you never know when they're gonna become available.
32:59
Speaker 1: In your evaluating every player in the league, and that's
33:02
Speaker 1: not just how they're playing, but talking to other coaches,
33:05
Speaker 1: what's this guy? Like? The number one thing that happens
33:08
Speaker 1: at the combine is talking like what's this guy? Like?
33:10
Speaker 1: I was out with different coaches. I'm constantly how's he,
33:13
Speaker 1: how's he? What's he like? And you hear great things
33:16
Speaker 1: like I fucking love this guy. Because a couple of
33:19
Speaker 1: times I was out of the combine talking with the
33:21
Speaker 1: guy and I had a negative thought about the player.
33:25
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, I've heard some things. He's like, no, bro,
33:27
Speaker 1: you're wrong, He's awesome, or vice versa like that guy's
33:31
Speaker 1: a badass. You're like, oh, total pain in the ass,
33:34
Speaker 1: and that talk spreads like wildfire. And think about this,
33:38
Speaker 1: Anthony Richardson. You could argue there's way more untapped potential
33:43
Speaker 1: in him than Justin Fields played way less. You would
33:47
Speaker 1: say Anthony Richardson is physically more gifted. Neither of them
33:51
Speaker 1: have proven to play the quarterback position well. Obviously Fields
33:53
Speaker 1: has played way more. But the Chiefs who really value
33:58
Speaker 1: clearly character the right guy, especially at the quarterback position,
34:03
Speaker 1: win after Justin Fields. And this gets back to everything
34:06
Speaker 1: you do matters. I just saw this clip of who
34:13
Speaker 1: is it? Golish, the new coach at Auburn, and I
34:16
Speaker 1: get these reels come up on Instagram and it was
34:19
Speaker 1: it might have been his first team meeting during spring practice,
34:23
Speaker 1: and his message was everything you do, from how you
34:27
Speaker 1: meet to how you conduct yourself on campus, to how
34:30
Speaker 1: you take a rep in practice, to how you sit
34:34
Speaker 1: in the classroom to how you treat women around campus,
34:39
Speaker 1: everything matters. And that is so true and nothing is
34:43
Speaker 1: more true about like Anthey Richson has done himself, no favors,
34:47
Speaker 1: none the tapping out last year, He's the guy asking
34:51
Speaker 1: for a trade. It's like let them just trade you.
34:55
Speaker 1: Justin Fields, meanwhile, has done everything the right way. He
35:00
Speaker 1: has handled every situation and listen, he's by no means
35:03
Speaker 1: been perfect on the field, but it's pretty easy. A
35:07
Speaker 1: lot of guys haven't been perfect on the field, on
35:08
Speaker 1: the court, on the diamond, and they also are paining
35:11
Speaker 1: the ass off the field. It's like, this guy's not
35:13
Speaker 1: even worth it. But Justin Field's going back to Ryan Poles.
35:17
Speaker 1: Remember when they traded him to the Steelers after they
35:20
Speaker 1: drafted Kayleb Williams, or might have been just before, I
35:22
Speaker 1: can't remember. The timeline. Ryan Poles was like, it was
35:25
Speaker 1: a really important to me to do right by this
35:28
Speaker 1: guy because of how he acted, and then the way
35:30
Speaker 1: the Pittsburgh Steelers thing happened, it was like, we like
35:33
Speaker 1: this guy. Weird things happened. Tomlin was loyal to Russell
35:36
Speaker 1: Wilson for some weird reasons, and even last year with
35:38
Speaker 1: the Jets, it never felt like he was being a
35:43
Speaker 1: I don't know, just a pain, being just a clown,
35:46
Speaker 1: just being bitter, which would have been easy to be. Instead,
35:51
Speaker 1: he just handled himself like a pro. And when the
35:54
Speaker 1: dust settles, a team needs a quarterback and there are
35:56
Speaker 1: other guys that kind of fit this mold for Andy
35:59
Speaker 1: Reid and Veach to take a flyer on. They chose
36:03
Speaker 1: the guy that did everything that he could control off
36:06
Speaker 1: the field the right way, that conducted himself the right way.
36:10
Speaker 1: And this gets back to everything matters. Now. Listen, I
36:13
Speaker 1: think about this, and by no means I'm perfect. You're
36:15
Speaker 1: not perfect. None of us are perfect. But how you
36:17
Speaker 1: conduct yourself and how you treat people in whatever business
36:21
Speaker 1: you're in goes a long way. Because most of our
36:24
Speaker 1: industries are relatively small, and people know other people, people talk.
36:30
Speaker 1: It's never been easier to communicate. And I think there's
36:32
Speaker 1: a great example of like Justin Fields is a character
36:35
Speaker 1: guy in the NFL has been fucking awesome and he's
36:38
Speaker 1: getting these chances despite his play not being great because
36:42
Speaker 1: of that. And the other guy, Anthony Richardson, like no
36:45
Speaker 1: one wants to touch him. Yeah, don't even want to
36:47
Speaker 1: deal with that. That's the guy that tapped tapped out
36:50
Speaker 1: and created a problem and then asked for trade. Not
36:54
Speaker 1: really into that. The other thing is I saw this
36:58
Speaker 1: clip of each he was talking with with Peter Schrager
37:03
Speaker 1: and they were talking about Kelsey and this is what
37:05
Speaker 1: I'm so fascinated by the draft is this is well
37:09
Speaker 1: known and Jason was kind of like this. I think
37:11
Speaker 1: Travis was worth He would have been considered a character
37:14
Speaker 1: guy coming out of college, and that just means like
37:17
Speaker 1: a red flag, and a red flag doesn't mean you've
37:19
Speaker 1: been arrested or beat some woman or crash the cars.
37:22
Speaker 1: He's like, yeah, there's some issues, you know, some issues.
37:26
Speaker 1: And Beach is like, the coolest part about this is
37:28
Speaker 1: he was a character guy. It's why he should have
37:30
Speaker 1: gone way higher in the draft. But now he's like
37:33
Speaker 1: the team captain, team leader in the heart and soul
37:36
Speaker 1: of our franchise. And this is why in every draft.
37:40
Speaker 1: Because I don't blame Cunningham, Matt Ryan Stefanski, they did
37:46
Speaker 1: not draft James Pearce. So they're being asked about this situation,
37:50
Speaker 1: which I think is more than fair for people to
37:52
Speaker 1: ask him about it. And I think if Raheem Morris
37:55
Speaker 1: and font knowing the people that had drafted him, they
37:58
Speaker 1: would deserve it should be the number one question like
38:01
Speaker 1: why did you guys do that way? These guys didn't
38:04
Speaker 1: make that move, they inherited this situation. There's not much
38:07
Speaker 1: they can say, probably out of their control. He's gonna
38:09
Speaker 1: go to jail. But there's a reason people take risks
38:14
Speaker 1: in the draft because there are a lot of examples
38:17
Speaker 1: of guys being character red flags then turning into Hall
38:21
Speaker 1: of Fame team leader, team captains. Now it sounds stupid
38:26
Speaker 1: because of twenty twenty six and most of us, depending
38:29
Speaker 1: on where you live, can press a button and have
38:32
Speaker 1: weed delivered to your house and you pay with a
38:34
Speaker 1: credit card. Obviously, there are some states where that's not allowed.
38:39
Speaker 1: I think Alabama that the basketball player got in trouble. Now,
38:42
Speaker 1: granted he had like multiple pounds of weed, so I
38:45
Speaker 1: think there are rules on selling and taxes. But regardless,
38:50
Speaker 1: Honey Badger got kicked out of LSU for weed, which
38:53
Speaker 1: used to get guys kicked out of school, guys suspended.
38:55
Speaker 1: It seems seems like one hundred years ago, but that
38:59
Speaker 1: was that long ago, and he was a guy that
39:02
Speaker 1: fell to the third round and within a couple of
39:04
Speaker 1: years on a fantastic Cardinal team, Patrick Peterson said he's
39:09
Speaker 1: our leader, and then he went to the Texans team captain.
39:12
Speaker 1: Then he went to the Chiefs team captain. So we
39:15
Speaker 1: have examples of guys who every single year are like,
39:19
Speaker 1: I don't know about this guy. And what Veach said
39:21
Speaker 1: is when you can bring this guy into a culture
39:24
Speaker 1: and put him around other adults, other winning players, other
39:27
Speaker 1: people that do it the right way, you could shape
39:30
Speaker 1: those guys in the right direction and put them on
39:33
Speaker 1: a path to become their best version of themselves. And
39:38
Speaker 1: this is how people think. And there are gonna be
39:40
Speaker 1: guys in this draft that are major red flags that
39:44
Speaker 1: fall to the second and the third round, and teams
39:47
Speaker 1: take chances on them. And the reason we'll be in
39:49
Speaker 1: that draft room is like, look at this example. Look
39:52
Speaker 1: at this example, and a lot of guys won't turn
39:54
Speaker 1: their life around and will not live up to their potential,
39:57
Speaker 1: but some of them will. And even going back to
40:00
Speaker 1: like on the field, there's a reason Anthony Richardson was
40:03
Speaker 1: drafted fourth overall because you went, look at josh Allen.
40:07
Speaker 1: He wasn't any good in college, he wasn't any accurate,
40:10
Speaker 1: and look at what they did with that potential and
40:12
Speaker 1: look what he turned into. So in these draft meetings
40:15
Speaker 1: over the course of the next couple of weeks, besides, like,
40:20
Speaker 1: once you get to guys like Jeremiah Love, there's nothing
40:22
Speaker 1: to say elited everything, high character guy, you know, Fernando
40:26
Speaker 1: Mendozo like going one, some of these other pass rushers,
40:30
Speaker 1: like they're all going top ten. The conversations really get
40:33
Speaker 1: into once you get in the thirties, the forties, the fifties,
40:36
Speaker 1: the sixties. It's like, well, this guy's got this, and
40:38
Speaker 1: this guy's got this, but he does this well in
40:40
Speaker 1: his ceilings this, and you're dealing with human beings. And
40:44
Speaker 1: some guys get in a position to become Travis Kelcey,
40:46
Speaker 1: to become the Honey Badger, and some guys and listen,
40:50
Speaker 1: I'm not comparing those two guys to James Pierce because
40:53
Speaker 1: everyone's issues are different, but some guys turned into that,
40:58
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, you have a fucking disaster
41:00
Speaker 1: on your hands. You have something that you have to
41:03
Speaker 1: answer to and deal with constantly, and until you remove
41:07
Speaker 1: him from your roster, it's still your problem. So I
41:13
Speaker 1: it's it was always my favorite part of the draft
41:16
Speaker 1: in that process, when I worked in the team or
41:19
Speaker 1: when I talked to my buddies to this day, what's
41:21
Speaker 1: he like, how's he wired? Like? What's his deal? Not like, oh,
41:26
Speaker 1: he's he's great playing uh drop coverage, He's excellent in zone,
41:30
Speaker 1: like yeah, I mean clearly that shit matters. But once
41:34
Speaker 1: you have the requisite talent, like how are you wired?
41:37
Speaker 1: What do you like? And sometimes you hear stories like hey,
41:39
Speaker 1: he's kind of immature, But I actually don't think he's
41:42
Speaker 1: a bad guy. I think he's a good guy, and
41:44
Speaker 1: I think he really likes football. And that's one of
41:47
Speaker 1: those things that is a defining thing during the draft process.
41:52
Speaker 1: How much does he like it, because you gotta like
41:55
Speaker 1: it a lot. It's taxing mentally, it's taxing physically, taxing
42:00
Speaker 1: on your time once the season starts. You know, at
42:04
Speaker 1: the beginning of August, in training camp or late July,
42:07
Speaker 1: you don't really have much time to take a breath air.
42:10
Speaker 1: You get you get tuesdays off, but even one of those,
42:13
Speaker 1: you're in the training room, you're in cold tubs, you're relaxing,
42:16
Speaker 1: like you're not doing that much occasional night out with
42:20
Speaker 1: the boys. But it is a lot of football twenty
42:23
Speaker 1: four to seven for six straight months, and if you're
42:26
Speaker 1: on a good team, they are depending on you to
42:28
Speaker 1: make plays. Even if you're on a bad team, guys
42:31
Speaker 1: will get injured and you will eventually play. There's nowhere
42:34
Speaker 1: to hide, and it's what makes this process so fascinating.
42:40
Speaker 1: Do I have anything else? One of the funniest stories
42:47
Speaker 1: I saw today is that Todd Monkin missed the coaching
42:53
Speaker 1: picture because he was getting a haircut, which it's just hilarious.
43:00
Speaker 1: You know, there is a decent chance. I wouldn't bet
43:04
Speaker 1: on it, but I'd say it's closer to fifty to
43:07
Speaker 1: fifty than it is to ten percent that this is
43:10
Speaker 1: Todd Munkins's only time in his career that he's gonna
43:14
Speaker 1: have the opportunity to be in that picture, because I
43:16
Speaker 1: think we'd all have to agree there's a chance that
43:19
Speaker 1: the Browns are bad this year and don't win many
43:23
Speaker 1: games and are really really just a tough watch, and
43:27
Speaker 1: anytime a football team is just awful, it's unavoidable. Is
43:32
Speaker 1: this guy gonna get fired? I mean, Aaron Glenn went
43:35
Speaker 1: from the toast of the town with the Lions. It's like,
43:37
Speaker 1: this guy's a badass. He can run the defense the
43:39
Speaker 1: players like him to. By the end of the Jets season,
43:43
Speaker 1: it's like, how's this guy survive? I don't think he
43:45
Speaker 1: can survive. And it felt like he's holding on for
43:47
Speaker 1: dear life. And I think if we were all betting
43:50
Speaker 1: men right now, we'd say, would it shock you if
43:54
Speaker 1: I told you Aaron Glenn doesn't make it a Thanksgiving.
43:57
Speaker 1: I don't think they want to, but they're gonna suck
44:00
Speaker 1: their quarterback position. He said that Gino Smith's gonna be
44:03
Speaker 1: the guy to lead him to the Promised Land. It
44:05
Speaker 1: could be really, really ugly and all of a sudden
44:08
Speaker 1: you're fired and it's so bad and it's so toxic.
44:12
Speaker 1: You're just like, it's gonna be hard for you to
44:14
Speaker 1: become a head coach again within the next couple of years.
44:17
Speaker 1: And Todd Munkin's an older guy, didn't feel like he
44:19
Speaker 1: was ever gonna become a coach gets his haircut at
44:24
Speaker 1: this event, which you know coaches when I worked for
44:27
Speaker 1: the Eagles, we used to and this is back when
44:29
Speaker 1: I had here. We had a guy come. It was
44:32
Speaker 1: either Monday or Tuesday. It was probably once every three weeks,
44:36
Speaker 1: maybe once a month, and you would just sign a
44:39
Speaker 1: piece of paper and get on the list with the
44:42
Speaker 1: coaches and the scouts and you would just get your haircut.
44:45
Speaker 1: And I can't remember if it was comped or you
44:48
Speaker 1: just have to tip the guy, but that's how most
44:51
Speaker 1: of these things work right When you see Laflora's hair perfect,
44:54
Speaker 1: like he's not going to supercuts, he's getting his haircut
44:57
Speaker 1: at the facility. So these guys are used to that.
45:00
Speaker 1: Coaches as well. You would think that Todd would have
45:05
Speaker 1: got his haircut before he went to Arizona so he
45:10
Speaker 1: wouldn't have had to deal with this. It is pretty
45:12
Speaker 1: funny that his potentially his one time to get a
45:17
Speaker 1: picture to say I was an NFL head coach. If
45:20
Speaker 1: I was him, I would frame that thing up there
45:22
Speaker 1: with the Harbaughs, just the Andy like Vrabel. I would
45:28
Speaker 1: keep that picture forever. Now he doesn't have the possibility
45:32
Speaker 1: because he missed it and his timing, whatever the agenda,
45:36
Speaker 1: someone fucked up, could have been him, could have been
45:38
Speaker 1: his PR guy, and now he didn't make the picture.
45:56
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Speaker 1: at Toyota, John Lynch. You know Juwan Jennings who has
46:07
Speaker 1: been a key figure on the forty nine ers for years.
46:10
Speaker 1: He's stepped up in their biggest games over the course
46:13
Speaker 1: of their run with Perdy going back to Jimmy Garoppolo,
46:17
Speaker 1: from double passes to blocks in the run game. He
46:22
Speaker 1: has just been a key role player for the forty
46:24
Speaker 1: nine ers. Last year. In the offseason, he started seeing
46:29
Speaker 1: all these guys over the course of their careers holding out.
46:31
Speaker 1: He realized Ayuk was injured, he might have a little leverage,
46:35
Speaker 1: and he kind of caused a stink. He wanted a
46:37
Speaker 1: big raise, even though the forty nine ers had just
46:39
Speaker 1: given him a contract extension. They gave him like two
46:42
Speaker 1: years fifteen million dollars when they were bidding against nobody.
46:44
Speaker 1: They actually just took care of him because they liked
46:46
Speaker 1: the guy, and he became a problem in the off season.
46:50
Speaker 1: Then he kind of shaped in and he was like, Okay,
46:51
Speaker 1: I'm cool with it, but he was never really cool
46:53
Speaker 1: with it. And then this free agency happened, which I
46:58
Speaker 1: thought he'd been a winning player, he would get picked
47:02
Speaker 1: up pretty quickly. The problem is, and as John Lynch acknowledged,
47:06
Speaker 1: he's not going to be back. He's gonna find a
47:08
Speaker 1: home and be good somewhere else. But he doesn't have
47:11
Speaker 1: a home because I think he has a false sense
47:14
Speaker 1: of his market. He's seen all these wide receivers make
47:17
Speaker 1: twenty twenty five thirty million dollars and he goes, well, listen,
47:21
Speaker 1: I might not be one of the thirty million dollar guys,
47:23
Speaker 1: but I could make sixteen million dollars. And as someone
47:27
Speaker 1: told me at the combine, people around the league, if
47:30
Speaker 1: you're not their guy, don't value the ability to block,
47:35
Speaker 1: don't value the ability to just make tough catches. If
47:39
Speaker 1: your name's not like DeAndre Hopkins, you got to be
47:42
Speaker 1: able to get open if I'm going to pay you
47:44
Speaker 1: any money. And you see this guy who has been
47:47
Speaker 1: in some of the biggest games in the NFL over
47:49
Speaker 1: the course of the last four or five years, just unemployed.
47:53
Speaker 1: And this isn't one of those older guys who's kind
47:56
Speaker 1: of holding out. This isn't Odell Beckham, who has been
47:59
Speaker 1: out of the league but then dominated flag football. Was
48:03
Speaker 1: at the owners meetings meeting with John Harbaugh. I think
48:06
Speaker 1: it's pretty clear that Odell Beckham's probably gonna end back
48:08
Speaker 1: up on the Giants, which actually would be pretty cool.
48:12
Speaker 1: Shanahandle the Floor both acknowledged like he was the best
48:15
Speaker 1: NFL player that played against the flag football guys because
48:18
Speaker 1: of his athleticism and kind of changing directions. And at
48:22
Speaker 1: this point in time, like Odell has no leverage. So
48:24
Speaker 1: if they go, hey, we'll offer you a one year
48:27
Speaker 1: contract for the veteran minimum with the incentives to make
48:30
Speaker 1: five or six million dollars. What's he gonna say? No?
48:33
Speaker 1: But some of these guys go, I'm not taking that money.
48:37
Speaker 1: It happened to Trey Hendrickson right during the Max Crosby fiasco,
48:41
Speaker 1: when he went, you know, I'm a forty million dollar
48:45
Speaker 1: pass rusher, and the NFL said, no, you're not, and
48:49
Speaker 1: he ended up getting I think like twenty five twenty
48:52
Speaker 1: six million dollars a year and sixty million dollars guaranteed,
48:54
Speaker 1: so essentially like two year contract, right, But he had
48:57
Speaker 1: a false sense of his market. But he still had
49:01
Speaker 1: so much money in the line. He had to pivot,
49:03
Speaker 1: and he had to pivot fast. I think some of
49:05
Speaker 1: these guys struggle to pivot, and all of a sudden,
49:07
Speaker 1: you see a guy like Juwan Jennings, it's like, is
49:09
Speaker 1: he gonna find a home? He's played with half the
49:12
Speaker 1: coaches throughout the NFL. They know him, they've coached him,
49:15
Speaker 1: they've been in the building, and no one's signing him.
49:19
Speaker 1: So when I say change of scenery, I don't know
49:21
Speaker 1: where he's gonna end up, which to me is pretty crazy,
49:24
Speaker 1: Like he's clearly like an NFL starting wide receiver, he's
49:27
Speaker 1: clearly a winning player, but his value around the league
49:32
Speaker 1: and what he feels his value is as a player
49:35
Speaker 1: are not only not matching up, they feel like they're
49:38
Speaker 1: in two different universes. Because at this point in time,
49:41
Speaker 1: where almost to April, it's kind of unheard of. So
49:44
Speaker 1: you have to wonder, is he's just gonna wait to
49:46
Speaker 1: see who doesn't get wide receivers during the draft and
49:49
Speaker 1: then hopefully kind of pounce and maybe just take whatever
49:52
Speaker 1: they offered him, because at this point in time, when
49:55
Speaker 1: guys get signed those first couple of days, because even
49:57
Speaker 1: Trey he didn't get what he wanted, he's still got
49:59
Speaker 1: a lot of money. It's, you know, it's a buyer's market,
50:03
Speaker 1: a seller's market. Well, if the teams are the buyers
50:06
Speaker 1: and the players and the agents are the sellers, those
50:08
Speaker 1: first couple of days sellers market, you cash in, right,
50:12
Speaker 1: we saw Linderbaum all these guys. If you're a decent player,
50:17
Speaker 1: you make a ton of money. Well, as the weeks go,
50:20
Speaker 1: who used to you know, chum these waters this time
50:23
Speaker 1: of year. Belichick made a living off the second and
50:27
Speaker 1: third kind of waves of free agency. Why because he
50:33
Speaker 1: could get deals, He could get guys whose market was
50:37
Speaker 1: way different than they thought, and he'd get for really cheap.
50:40
Speaker 1: And that's what I imagine that a lot of good
50:42
Speaker 1: teams are kind of circling, like, can we end up
50:44
Speaker 1: getting this guy for like three or four million dollars
50:46
Speaker 1: because he's going to be so desperate, And at this
50:48
Speaker 1: point in time, it kind of feels like that's the case.
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