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Little Haleigh Cummings, 5, disappears from bed · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Triumph Channel one two. It was chilly in February the
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  Speaker 1: night that Halley Cummings goes missing from her father's Putnam
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  Speaker 1: County home. He was at work, clocked in air tight
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  Speaker 1: alibi at least thirty minutes away at the time his
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  Speaker 1: daughter seemingly disappears into thin air. So what happened to this?
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  Speaker 1: A beautiful little girl just five years old when she
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  Speaker 1: goes missing, Haley Cummings, I mean, I see, Grace. This
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  Speaker 1: is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us, with
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  Speaker 1: me an all star panel to help break it down
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  Speaker 1: and put it back together again. Where is Haley? Is
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  Speaker 1: Haley still alive? Amidst mystery shrouded with controversy. Still we
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  Speaker 1: look for Haley. I want to go straight out to
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  Speaker 1: Robin Willinsky, ws B radio reporter who was on the case. Robin,
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  Speaker 1: tell me about the night Haley disappeared from her father's home. Well,
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  Speaker 1: she was five years old, an adorable little girl, and
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  Speaker 1: the woman who was there, Misty, who was seventeen years old,
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  Speaker 1: was her father's girlfriend. She was in the house, her
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  Speaker 1: little brother was in the house, and reportedly there was
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  Speaker 1: a cousin there. What's so troubling is that Misty, who
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  Speaker 1: was in charge of this little girl, told police various stories. Nancy,
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  Speaker 1: she was sleeping in bed with me. Oh, no, she
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  Speaker 1: was on the mattress on the floor. Oh, she was
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  Speaker 1: wearing a pink shirt. Oh, she wasn't wearing a pink shirt.
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  Speaker 1: Totally inconsistent stories. Now hold on just a moment. I
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  Speaker 1: want to follow up on that. Everyone. The tip line
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  Speaker 1: for Missing Helly is three eight six three to nine
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  Speaker 1: zero eight hundred three eight six three to nine zero
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  Speaker 1: eight hundred with me Emmy Award winning investigative reporter and
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  Speaker 1: journalists Art Harris, Art Misty Crosland, who was there at
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  Speaker 1: the time Helly goes missing, States that she was asleep
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  Speaker 1: and did not hear a thing. We found out that
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  Speaker 1: the back door had been propped open with a cement
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  Speaker 1: block that was taken out of the yard. And as
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  Speaker 1: to those inconsistencies that Robin will Lyinski with w SB
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  Speaker 1: was just describing, which are all true, Crossland then explains
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  Speaker 1: that she says, well, at the beginning of the evening,
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  Speaker 1: she was sleeping, uh next to me, and then she
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  Speaker 1: moved to the other mattress or vice versa in the
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  Speaker 1: middle of the night. And yes, she had on a
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  Speaker 1: pink shirt, but then she changed it when she went
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  Speaker 1: to the bathroom. Maybe she would I don't know, but
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  Speaker 1: she tried to explain away those circumstances. It seemingly changed
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  Speaker 1: Art Harris at the beginning the dad is it an
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  Speaker 1: airtight alibi? Misty told me and I said several times.
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  Speaker 1: She got up hurting noise about three am, went out
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  Speaker 1: to see maybe Ny was coming home early, but she
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  Speaker 1: had called She called him when she found Hailey was missing.
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  Speaker 1: As you said, the door was propped open. Suddenly Ronald
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  Speaker 1: drives up um some work about you know, early in
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  Speaker 1: the morning, and she says, you know, I've been trying
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  Speaker 1: to call you thirty times you didn't answer, um, so
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  Speaker 1: there is there's a question here. He She says he
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  Speaker 1: wasn't all that upset, but then of course he changes
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  Speaker 1: and accuses her of doing something uh with his daughter.
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  Speaker 1: Why amn't you watching her? We've heard all the accusations
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  Speaker 1: go back and forth, and law enforcement has has been
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  Speaker 1: focusing on, of course Missy the last person to be
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  Speaker 1: with her uh and trying to get her to give
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  Speaker 1: up whoever else may have been involved. Well, it's interesting
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  Speaker 1: that she says are that she woke up at three
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  Speaker 1: a m. That night in a real, really odd twist.
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  Speaker 1: Mark class with me who knows only too well the
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  Speaker 1: pain of missing a child. Mark the founder of Class
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  Speaker 1: Kids Foundation victims advocate Mark, I want you to listen
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  Speaker 1: to the dad Ronald Cummings with Misty the girlfriend on
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  Speaker 1: the NBC Today Show a day after they married. Listen.
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  Speaker 1: Haley disappeared a little over a month ago, and since then,
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  Speaker 1: you've spoken to the media, you've taken a polygraph task.
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  Speaker 1: Both of you have opened up to us to see, um,
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  Speaker 1: where Haley lived, give us a better sense of her.
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  Speaker 1: None of that could have been easy for either one
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  Speaker 1: of you. What so, why did you want to come
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  Speaker 1: here today. What are you hoping to accomplish, Ronald? To
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  Speaker 1: get the focus back on My daughter is missing? My
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  Speaker 1: five year old girl is gone and I want to
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  Speaker 1: find her. Where. Do you think the focus has changed
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  Speaker 1: when you say get the focus back on her? I
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  Speaker 1: think they've changed to my personal life and being married
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  Speaker 1: and everything else, when they should be focusing on my
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  Speaker 1: five year old daughter. Do you think the police have
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  Speaker 1: done an adequate job searching for her, Ronald? Are you
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  Speaker 1: comfortable with the job they have done so far? So
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  Speaker 1: far you are? Have they said anything to you about
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  Speaker 1: any possible leads at all? Nothing? Uh? Michelle just referenced
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  Speaker 1: your son be a four year old son. And the
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  Speaker 1: fact that he said that somebody, a man dressed in black,
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  Speaker 1: had taken Haley out of the trailer that night she disappeared.
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  Speaker 1: Did he tell that to either one of you? Missy,
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  Speaker 1: you were there at the time. Did he say anything
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  Speaker 1: to you at the time? Nothing? Neither. I think this
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  Speaker 1: is some of the garbage that Geraldo and Crystal my
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  Speaker 1: Mother's maide up. But I'm just gonna leave that in that. Oh,
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  Speaker 1: so you don't even believe that Ronald Jr. Said this
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  Speaker 1: at all. I don't know. I wasn't at home that work.
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  Speaker 1: You can't sell you honestly, you were there, Missy, and
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  Speaker 1: I know when Ronald just said that the focus has
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  Speaker 1: been removed from from his daughter a little bit, that
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  Speaker 1: you also care very deeply for to other people. A
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  Speaker 1: lot of the focus has now been on you and
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  Speaker 1: the police saying that you walked out of a meeting
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  Speaker 1: they were having with you, walked away. Why what happened?
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  Speaker 1: You stopped talking? Tell us what happened. Something must have
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  Speaker 1: upset you. There was a new um, the guy that
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  Speaker 1: was new to the case, and I didn't feel comfortable
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  Speaker 1: with him. He was just being very rude to me.
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  Speaker 1: And I told John Merchant and that a same attorneys.
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  Speaker 1: I will talk to them, but I wasn't going to
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  Speaker 1: talk to me. What was he doing? What was he saying?
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  Speaker 1: He was just like being rude, like going and pretty
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  Speaker 1: much Tommy, I'm a liar. So he was accusing you
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  Speaker 1: of lying to him. Yeah, let me let's go back
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  Speaker 1: through you both and you both clear. They said to
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  Speaker 1: you you have passed the polygraph test. I think part
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  Speaker 1: of the problem has been mistied that there has been
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  Speaker 1: a certain number of inconsistencies, inconsistencies, or what's perceived to
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  Speaker 1: be inconsistencies. Because you first said that Haley wasn't bed
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  Speaker 1: with you, then you said she was on the mattress
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  Speaker 1: next to you. This is an opportunity to clarify. You've
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  Speaker 1: had time to think through what happened that night. Can
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  Speaker 1: you walk us through it one more time? Missed your
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  Speaker 1: best recollection of what happened the night Haley disappeared. I
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  Speaker 1: put her to bed at eight o'clock. I was washing
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  Speaker 1: my blanket are blankets, and after that was done, I
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  Speaker 1: put her blanket over her. She was sleeping when I
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  Speaker 1: put her blanket on her. Was she in the bed?
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  Speaker 1: That she was in her bed, her bed in her bed,
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  Speaker 1: and Junior was in the bed with me. And it
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  Speaker 1: was about I don't know what time, about ten o'clock.
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  Speaker 1: I finally laiter and I I went to sleep. I woke
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  Speaker 1: up at three and I noticed that I got up
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  Speaker 1: to use the bathroom, and I noticed the kitchen light
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  Speaker 1: was on. So I walked in the kitchen and that's
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  Speaker 1: when I sent the back door open, so I burned
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  Speaker 1: back to my grad room. She got my phone to
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  Speaker 1: call Ronald, and that's when I noted s Handy was gone,
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  Speaker 1: and so you called Ronald. And then Ronald, did you
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  Speaker 1: come home at at shortly or after three o'clock in
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  Speaker 1: the morning. You're saying, yeah, I was pulling on the
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  Speaker 1: driveway and just home from my shift at work. So
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  Speaker 1: why were there into Okay, help help me Houtnesty. Why
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  Speaker 1: were there inconsistencies? Why did you say one thing one
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  Speaker 1: time and one time the other, one thing the other. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know, but you but you know you did
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  Speaker 1: do that and you're not sure why. Yeah, and then
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  Speaker 1: yesterday you guys got married in the midst of all this.
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  Speaker 1: Why was that an important thing, Ronald for you to do?
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. I think that my little girl would
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  Speaker 1: have wanted it. I would have rather have to have
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  Speaker 1: been there. So obviously when we get her back and
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  Speaker 1: we will do much larger, better waying. But um, we're
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  Speaker 1: just that that's still drawing and focus off of Haley.
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  Speaker 1: We need to be focused on Haley and not what
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  Speaker 1: I'm doing in my personal life. But can you understand
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  Speaker 1: and why some people might be confused by it? Or
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  Speaker 1: do do you accept that? Or I don't understand why
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  Speaker 1: it's any of anybody else's business, to be honest with you,
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  Speaker 1: nobody's business what I do in my personal life. I
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  Speaker 1: go to work, I support my family. I don't know
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  Speaker 1: what my personal wife has to do with national TV.
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  Speaker 1: My daughter is missing and that's why I has to
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  Speaker 1: do a national TV. We need to get my daughter's
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  Speaker 1: face back on TV and get her found. She cared
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  Speaker 1: very much for mistake. Yes, absolutely. Is there anything else
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  Speaker 1: that you would like to say at all? In case
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  Speaker 1: somebody is out there who might know something. Um, if
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  Speaker 1: you know something, please call the crime stoppers or the
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  Speaker 1: any local sheriff's office. And if my little girl is watching,
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  Speaker 1: maybe I love him in the stag as you sit here,
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  Speaker 1: do you believe in your heart that they see you
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  Speaker 1: as a suspect? No, I don't. I don't know. That's
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  Speaker 1: absolutely detective His name is John Merchant, and he said
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  Speaker 1: he doesn't think that she's a suspect. Okay, you were
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  Speaker 1: hearing both Ronald Cummings and girlfriend turned wife Mr Croslin
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  Speaker 1: speaking to Meredith Vieira, our friend on NBC's Today's Show,
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  Speaker 1: to Mark Class, founder of Class Kids Foundation, who knows
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  Speaker 1: the pay firsthand of losing a daughter. Mark Class, of course,
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  Speaker 1: the babysitter girlfriend now wife is a suspect. She's the
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  Speaker 1: last one there. She changed her story. Yeah, that's absolutely true, Nancy.
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  Speaker 1: But on the other hand, the father, I think is
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  Speaker 1: very consistent with the father who desperately is looking for
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  Speaker 1: his child. He might seem emotionally stunted, but he he
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  Speaker 1: wants to keep the focus on finding his on finding
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  Speaker 1: his daughter. Um. I think he's incorrect and saying that
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  Speaker 1: people have no business looking into his personal life because
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  Speaker 1: I think that that they're mitigating circumstances there. But I
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  Speaker 1: don't think that he was involved in the disappearance, and
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  Speaker 1: I think those questions about Missy are still looming. They
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  Speaker 1: are now. I agree with you, Mark, classes I so
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  Speaker 1: often do. There is no way Ronald Cummings was involved
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  Speaker 1: with this. I have met him many many times, spoken
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  Speaker 1: to him at length about his daughter's disappearance, and I
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  Speaker 1: believe he's completely innocent of that. Now, the Misty Crawlson
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  Speaker 1: is a whole another can of worms, as far as
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  Speaker 1: I'm concerned. For those of you just joining us, the
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  Speaker 1: tip line to help find Helly Cummings is three eight
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  Speaker 1: six three to nine zero eight hundred repeat three eight
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  Speaker 1: six three to nine zero, eight hundred. The parents of
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  Speaker 1: this five year old little girl snatched out of her
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  Speaker 1: bed made emotional please ease to bring her home. Healey
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  Speaker 1: Cummings kidnapped from her bedroom early morning hours on a
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  Speaker 1: Tuesday morning as she slept right there next to her
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  Speaker 1: two year old little brother, Ronald Cummings Junior. And what
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  Speaker 1: sparked so much interest in the case as someone was
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  Speaker 1: actually home at the time, Misty Crossland Police there in
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  Speaker 1: Florida and Home Assassa, Florida have launched a massive hunt
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  Speaker 1: for her and immediately started tracking down nearly fifty sex
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  Speaker 1: offenders who live near her and set Suma, Florida. That's
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  Speaker 1: another issue, Mark Class, founder of Class Kids Foundation, Mark
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  Speaker 1: in this area of set Suma, it is extremely small.
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  Speaker 1: It's about the size of my little community where I
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  Speaker 1: grew up, a couple of thousand people. That really narrows
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  Speaker 1: down the potential kidnapper. Yeah, there's no question about But
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  Speaker 1: as far as the sex offenders go, Nancy, you know,
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  Speaker 1: they're just short of a million registered sex offenders in
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  Speaker 1: the United States right now, and I would challenge anybody
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  Speaker 1: to find a community where you're not going to have
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  Speaker 1: people living within a mile or two of you that
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  Speaker 1: have been committed of some of these kinds of crimes. Now,
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  Speaker 1: as far as as as who took this little girl,
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  Speaker 1: there's no doubt that who took this child as somebody
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  Speaker 1: that was familiar with the family, familiar with the child.
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  Speaker 1: We just don't know who that individual was, or individuals were,
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  Speaker 1: or the motivation behind the crime. Take a listen now
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  Speaker 1: well we'll see what last you worry, ma'am you won't
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  Speaker 1: really follows well, san, okay, all right, you said your
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  Speaker 1: back door was wide open a book almost well, okay,
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  Speaker 1: listen to me. Your back door was wide open? What
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  Speaker 1: are you talking about? A bricky? What? What is the brick?
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  Speaker 1: It's almost almost walk and there was a brick laying there, stool, Holy,
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  Speaker 1: we got him coming, come, we got him coming. Okay.
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  Speaker 1: What's the color of your house, ma'am? Blue? Okay? Yeah? Oh,
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  Speaker 1: bo okay? What what does she look like? How tall
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  Speaker 1: is she? Give me some description? Ever? Like long? You cool? Curled? What?
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  Speaker 1: What color? Oh okay, what did you think? Round hair?
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  Speaker 1: H okay? How tall is she about? For? How much
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  Speaker 1: does she waiting at that? About? How tall? And how
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  Speaker 1: much does she weigh? Quite like? I don't know, like
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  Speaker 1: she's not Okay, wait tell and tell your husband we
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  Speaker 1: got him coming. Okay, okay, how much sushi? Way? Do
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  Speaker 1: you know how much doshi wagh like? Forty to sixty towns? Yeah? Okay,
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  Speaker 1: let me get your name and phone number. Name, tell
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  Speaker 1: your last name to Ashley Willcott, Atlanta. You and I
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  Speaker 1: all judge found a child crime watch dot com. You
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  Speaker 1: hear her on the nine one one call. That is
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  Speaker 1: the babysitter slash girlfriend turned wife. What do you make
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  Speaker 1: of it? Ashley? Oh my god, this one makes me
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  Speaker 1: sick because I have no doubt in my mind. I'm
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  Speaker 1: telling you I said it here. She knows what happened
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  Speaker 1: to that child. Even if she didn't kill the child,
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  Speaker 1: which she might have, she knows. I find that to me,
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  Speaker 1: there's no I've done this such a long time. I
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  Speaker 1: found no credibility in that call. The way she sounds,
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  Speaker 1: I just don't believe that she doesn't know what happened
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  Speaker 1: to this child. I want you to take a Listen
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  Speaker 1: to what Misty Crossing and her mother Lisa Crawls and
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  Speaker 1: have to say in a secretly recorded phone call that
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  Speaker 1: we got our hands on and oh yes, they are
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  Speaker 1: blasting me because I'm looking into the disappearance of Helly Commings. Listen,
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  Speaker 1: they're recording everything I'll do. I mean, how how how
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  Speaker 1: can we not see each other? We are not codefended.
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  Speaker 1: And I think Nanty gray Uh need to keep her
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  Speaker 1: mouse shut until she knows the fact, saying I'll kind
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  Speaker 1: of create the crowd all about you and Hayley and
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  Speaker 1: it boys. It is. Then they find out what happened
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  Speaker 1: to Hayley, everything would be different. I know, I can't
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  Speaker 1: believe they will. Don't believe, you know, I know it's
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  Speaker 1: quite you think because they got my bard that's so
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  Speaker 1: high just because of that, and that's not fair. That
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  Speaker 1: has nothing to do with it. I know that that's
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  Speaker 1: exactly what it is. That's what they think I'm gonna break.
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  Speaker 1: There's nothing to break me on, so they need to
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  Speaker 1: leave me alone. That was a secular recorded phone call
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  Speaker 1: of Misty Crosland speaking to her mom Lisa Crosland. You
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  Speaker 1: know what, Karen Stark, New York psychologist renowned joining me.
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  Speaker 1: You know, there's the old saying you're known by your enemies.
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  Speaker 1: If you just even listened to that phone call. I
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  Speaker 1: remember she's talking to her mom and she's claiming that
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  Speaker 1: she's innocent. So that makes me believe when you listen
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  Speaker 1: to that, that perhaps she saw somebody. I think that
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  Speaker 1: what actually said, it's true. She knows what happens. So
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  Speaker 1: either somehow accidentally, you know, she killed this little girl,
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  Speaker 1: or she knows who might have done it. She saw
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  Speaker 1: and she's going to stick to her story. That's what
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  Speaker 1: I hear from there. And it's so easy for them
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  Speaker 1: to blame you because you are really making an attempt
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  Speaker 1: to figure out what happened there, and it doesn't end there.
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  Speaker 1: They are fixated on me investigating the case they be
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  Speaker 1: they should be worried about where's helly listen to that?
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: That's my own integrade. She said that y'all are eating
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: better than her, that she felt three Chicken NC nuggets
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: in her car. She just don't even have a clue. Yeah,
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: she's ridiculous. She wished she would eat. We were eating
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: better than her. People in general eat better than Nancy Grady.
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: That's stupid. I know because she grew. I can't standers
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: all she doesn't want to get and I would go
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: on her show. I would go on her show, but
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: I would be afraid I will go to jail. I'm
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: telling you if I would come about her, her kidding
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: out the same way. So there they are, but this
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: time tomorrow Class Class Kids Foundation founder and victims advocate.
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: I remember looking at their gail house menu one night
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: and what Mr Crossly was having after she had a
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: drug arrest, and they were eating something like um fried
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: chicken and potato salad I can't remember, but sounded and
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: cake cake, yeah, and it sounded really good. And that
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: particular day, I had nothing but hot tea in the
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: morning and I had driven through. Okay, call me a
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: bad mom. I don't know where we went. I guess
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: Chick fil A and got nuggets for the children, and
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: they dropped something so sucky. I ate them off the floor,
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: but I was so won me. I scooped them up
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: and ate them on the way to work, and I
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: mentioned that they're eating better than me. And she won't
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: tell me what happened to the baby. That's not right.
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: And so instead of focusing on what can we do
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: now to find Healey. Maybe we should a B C
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: or D. They're all crazy because I published They're jail
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: me you that night. Yeah, it's really a problem. Mac.
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: I remember in our situation that the rumors were running
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: rampant um that Pauli was taken as as revenge for
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: some kind of a drug deal gone wrong, because I
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: was supposedly a drug kingpin somewhere in the Bay Area.
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: And you know, that was just sort of the tip
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: of the iceberg. A lot of rumors swirl in in
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: situations like this, But if you're the parent of the child,
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: or if you're one of the principles involved in the middle,
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: you have to do what Ron said earlier when he
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: was speaking to Meredith Vieira. You have to get the
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: focus back on the child and where is the child.
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: You don't dwell on yourself and rumors that are being
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: swirled around about yourself. And another thing, Nancy is I
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: couldn't eat when Paully was missing. I couldn't eat. Over
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: the course of the sixty five days we searched for her,
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: I lost well over thirty pounds, And again every time
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: somebody would try to change the focus bring it to
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: something else. It was always no, no, no, this is
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: not about me. This is about Paully. You have issues
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: with me, will deal with that after we bring my
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: child home. And that's exactly the opposite of the way
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: Missy is handling herself in this situation. You know that
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: is really interesting, Mark Class I didn't know that about
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: you losing weight when Polly went missing. I remember after him,
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: my fiancee was murdered, I lost down to eighty nine pounds.
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: The smell of food just made me sick, absolutely straight
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: out to you. Aunt, Harris, Crime stories, investigative reporter and
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: award winning journalists are Harris. Right now, we still don't
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: have the answer to what happened to Halley Cummings. I
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: want to go back to that night. Now that we
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: know the girlfriend, the living girlfriend, Mr Crawlson, had been
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: using drugs, does that change things specifically about who else
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: may have been in that home while the dad, Ronald Cummings,
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: was at work. What's interesting is what came out later. First,
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: I gotta tell you the first person Misty called before
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: nine one one was her mother, and Lisa Caslin told
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: me that herself. Um, and so that raises a question.
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: But after that Nancy, she began having some memories of
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: a dream, do you remember that? And her lawyer told
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: me that in fact, she was hiding under a blanket
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: and recall some shadowy figures in the house that night,
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: and she was totally frightened and held on tight to
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: a little boy under the blanket and doesn't know what
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: happened to Haley, but somebody came in and she knew it,
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: and she told police later that that was the next
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: story that unfolded. Aren't Harris? What am I hearing correctly?
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: Because this sounds just like O. J. Simpson's dream where
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: he dreamed about what happened to Nicole Brown, his dead wife.
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: And Ron Goldman. I've had so many defendants to have
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: a dream, so they're either killers or their clear voyant.
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: Aren't Harris? That's right? Well, what later happened is other
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: people were determined to have been in the house that night,
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: including her brother Tommy Cousland. And you know, the story
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: that unfolded was that someone had a grudge against the
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: father because they had a gun. He had a gun
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: they wanted and in lieu of haying back some money
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: that was owed, and so they came to the house
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: that night and looked for this expensive machine gun which
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: what they couldn't find and took Kaylee instead. And that
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: was a mystery cousin out of Tennessee. The story has
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: been debunked since then. But there were other people in
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: the house that night, and police have suddenly begun to
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: focus on them at the time. Anyway, So you have
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: a family that is covering up for each other. Well
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: I mean that story though, Are Harris that some cousin
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: came looking for his gun? That that's b s because
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: if that were true, that cousin would have been tracked
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: down and dragged back to the jurisdiction and the truth
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: would have come out. So does some unknown cousin looking
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: for a weapon sounds like be us to me. However,
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: what you're saying about it proves other people were in
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: the home sounds true. And I'll tell you what sounds
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: like another load of bs? Is her having a so
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: called dream? Aren't Harris? Aren't Harris investigated the case thoroughly
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: right alongside the police. Take a listen to what hell
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: is relative tales? Aren't Harris about Haley? And it is
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: a very precious little girl. She is Grandma's angel, daddy's hard. Um,
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: she's tiny, she's fatigue. She loves to sing, she loves
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: to make up, she likes to address, she loves to
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: color and paint. She is very good at school. Wow,
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: they're just so many amazing things about Haley. What are
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: some things that you you would really like doing with her?
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: And you like doing with her? Grandma? What does she
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: call you? She calls me grandma. Yeah. And we love
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: to paint together, and she likes to give him all
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: that water paint. We love to do makeup because she
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: can make me look like a clown and I don't care.
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: She loves to paint my nails because she paints from
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: one end to the other, and that's fine with me.
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: Tell me explain. I can easily explain that I have
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: never seen my grandchildren more happy in their lives than
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: they have been with Ronald and Misty. They are ecstatic,
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: they are always smiling, they're always playing. They are to me,
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: it was an extreme joy to see them like a
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: little family, always doing things together. My babies loved her.
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: I mean, they absolutely wanted Ronald to marry her so
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: she could be mommy. You've met a lot of the
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: Ronald's girlfriends and fiances And how does Misty rank in
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: your mind? Uh? To my knowledge, Ronald's only ever had
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: one other fiance, and uh, some of the girl friends,
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: Misty is at the very top of the list. I
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: can tell you that, absolutely, she takes better care of
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: the children than anyone I'd first seen with them. Um.
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: They love her. Um. But you just can'tot. You would
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: have to see it to actually enjoy it. Touches your heart?
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: How happy that are? Take? You know? I can't help
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: but wonder Robyn Malinsky, ws B reporter, does that relative
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: know about the drug? Definitely not. It sounds like a
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: lot of nonsense to me. It sounds like a big
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: cover up. I'll tell you, Nancy this this case. Having
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: lived in Florida during the Casey Anthony trial, this what
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: could have happened here is that Misty maybe maybe the
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: little girl three years old acted up, Maybe she hit her,
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: hit her in the head, Maybe she had a brain bleed,
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: maybe she died. Maybe she got into mommy's drugs or
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: you know, a prescription something that could have been in
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: the in the closet passed away and it was the
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: whole cover up, Just like in the Casey Anthony Case.
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: I think that all these mystery figures coming in and out,
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: I think that's one nice theory, but I think it
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: could be much simpler. I think it could be Misty
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: either hitting the child or the child, you know, overdosing
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: on something, and the rest of it is all nonsense
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: and a cover up by the grandmother. Robin, you know,
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: you have something. Their sources were telling me abous Art
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: Harris that when Misty took the children to a clinic
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: and the little boy was not very cooperative, she would
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: kind of violently yank him along and was yelling. So
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: there was another side of that, and the fact that
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: they were doing drugs. It shows that there was that brittle,
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: uh you know, ten side that perhaps they had when
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: they were coming down off off these drugs or were
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: strung out. Five year old Heay Cummings goes missing in
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: her Florida home. The case still open with me, Mark Class,
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: Ashley Wilcot, Karen Stark, Aunt Harris, and Robin Willinski. Take
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: a listen, I meany of you been asking where's Helly's mom?
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: Take a listen to what the mother, Crystal Sheffield tells
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: me on h M. Sheffield, what are the police theories
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: right now, what are they telling you? They haven't really
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: told us nothing like they're just they just said they're
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: gonna keep searching they haven't found anything. Or how often
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: Crystal Sheffield do you see her? And why does she
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: end up being with him? I see him every two weeks.
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: I picked them up on Friday at six and return
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: them on Sunday at six. When me and Ronald split up,
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: I had the children with me and I didn't have
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: the heart to keep them from him, and I let
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: him come get him and he was supposed to return
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: them to me, and he never did. And then he
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: went to the courthouse and filed for temporary custody and
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: the first court date was sent out to address in
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: Jacksonville and it was a bogus address. I never lived there,
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: so I missed that court date. And then when we
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: went for the custody here and they just I feel
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: like they just blew me off. But they said they
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: gave him custody because it was the best interest for
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: the children. So it seems to me to Mark Class,
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: founder of Class Kids Foundation and child advocate, this little
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: girl never had a chance. Nobody was watching out for her. Well,
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: that's exactly what we were all saying at the time, Nancy,
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: is that Hailey Cummings was a little girl that that
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: never had a chance. I mean, she was just surrounded
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: by a culture that really didn't give her an opportunity
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: to succeed in life. There were too many obstacles in
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: the way. There were all the dysfunctional relationships, There were
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: all of the drugs, there was all of the poverty,
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: and it was just an untenable situation for a five
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: year old girl to try to navigate and lead a
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: productive life. To Art Harris, aren't do police believe that
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: she could still be alive, Emily, Nancy. The all the
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: indications are is that she is not. It has been
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: declared a homicide, and we have heard other stories about
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: what happened that night, and that she may have been
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: put in the river if you were called and by
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: those shadowy figures. And one of the people who knows
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: is supposedly her brother, Tommy Croslin, who also has come
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: under great suspicion. A house was searched and a mysterious
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: yellow rope was found in his car that some believe
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: had to do played into uh the nights uh uh
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: nesarious activities. Now. I don't know if you want to
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: go back to what happened the weekend before, but that's
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: something to talk about. Two leading up to that weekend,
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: leading up to her disappearance, Ronald and Misty had been
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: having words and in fact physical altercations. Misty told me
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: that she was really fed up and she left. She
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: walked away only to be picked up by a girlfriend
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: named they May, and they went off and partied with
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: a guy who I interview on my website, Art Harris
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: dot com. His nickname is white Boy Greg, who tells
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: me they did drugs that weekend and when she went
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: home she was pretty strung out and Ronald was angry.
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: So when she took the kids to school the next day, um,
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: they were late number one, and she looked very distraught. Uh.
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: And of course if you were home and you would
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: have been coming down from drugs and the kids are
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: bad or nagging, you don't know what happened. So flash
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: four that night is when Ronald comes back, and what
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: has been going on during the day we don't know,
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: but we know Mystery is back from her revenge romance
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: and he cannot be very happy. So we know that
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: there was a lot of upheaval within the home just
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: before she goes missing. Karen start renewed New York psychologist,
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: How does that play to her disappearance? Well, it makes
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: you realize, Nancy, that there was so much chaos and
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: um tumultuousness surrounding her, and in in children what you
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: need more than any in the structure and discipline, and
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: knowing that certain things are going to happen at certain times.
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: They're not capable of understanding all of that confusion, and
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: it just makes you realize that things were it was
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: sort of gathering to be a perfect storm. Take a
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: listen to what Ronald Cummings tells me on chel End.
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: Mr Cummings, you and your family are in so many
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: prayers across the country right now. Please tell us what
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: happened when you got home from work that night. I
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: believe it was around three am, Actually it was about three.
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: Uh pulled into the yard and my girlfriend opened the
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: front door, and I already knew something was wrong because
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: she's not up at this time. Um. She told me,
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: I said, what are you doing up at this time?
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: She said, your back doors wide opening, your daughter's gone.
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: What is her description? What scenario took place. She got
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: out of the bed and went to use the restroom
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: and came back to find that my daughter was not
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: InVID with her. Okay, what time did you openly? And
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: she was gone? Ronald? What time did she put Haley
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: to bed? She puts in the bed every night at
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: eight o'clock, eight o'clock when she put when she put
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: her to bed at eight o'clock, did she also put
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: to bed the little four year old boy? Yes, she did. Okay.
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: What time did she go to bed? Um? Approximately ten
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: eleven eleven? At that time, was little Haley in the
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: bed asleep with the brother? Yes? And they all slept
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: together in the same bed. Correct. Yes, So sometime between
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: eleven PM and three thirty a m. Haley goes missing.
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: Now did she call nine one one? No? She did not,
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: not until after I was there. She tried to call me,
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: but I was pulling in the driveway, so I asked
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: her how come she was trying to call me? She
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: needed to call No. One one, so she immediately called him. Then,
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: Mr Cummings, where does Haley's mother live in Baker County
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: in Glen Sat Mary? What is that about a hundred
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: and fifty miles away. Um, I would say approxim Now,
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: have you and your girlfriend taken a polygraph? Right? Yes,
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: I have passed those line colors. Yes, she has, and
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: you volunteered to do that. And you've been cooperating with police,
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: right yeah? Why not? Why why? I don't have anything
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: to hide. I just want my daughter back. Anything that's
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: going to help them eliminate more people with. But the
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: best thing, exactly, Mr Cummings, you said the door was
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: propped open. Described to me what you saw when you
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: got home. Came in the house and immediately checked all
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: the visirooms, the bathroom, everywhere, just to be sure, and
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: walked to the back door. It was wide open. As
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: I walked out the back door, the screen door was
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: brought boping with a center block. You know. Interesting to
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: Ashley Willcott, juvenile judge found her a child crime watch
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: dot com. I believe Ronald Cummings. I did from the
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: very beginning. You know, You've always said that, and I
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: he sounds very credible on all the pieces that I've
• 41:01
  Speaker 1: heard in the times that you've interviewed him. Here's what
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: nobody's mentioned, though. I think the other thing to keep
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: in mind is I see so many times parents who
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: use drugs sell their kids and they sell them for drugs.
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: And so who's to say that the mother didn't say, oh, here,
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: you can take her, you can have her, you can borrow.
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: She didn't care. She wanted to get high, she wanted drugs.
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: So she may not know exactly what happened after the
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: child might have been taken from the house, but clearly
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: something nefarious happened, and she, you know, may have just said, hey,
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: I want the drugs, take my child. We are talking
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: about the disappearance of a beautiful little five year old girl,
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: a Florida girl, Healey Cummings. She's never been found. The
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: tip line three eight six three to nine zero eight hundred.
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: So to you aren't Harris, Where does the case stand now? Well,
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: if you remember natually what happened, police and sat Soon
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: of Florida, Platte County put the focus on the family
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: and arrested Misty, Ronald her brother and charged them with
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: drug distribution. There now in prison, all of them in
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: different places. During a lot of years. Missy it got
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: twenty five years, tried to get her sentence reduced two
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: years ago, and it's going to stand at Ronald is
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: doing fifteen years for trafficking, and so it's her brother
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: Tommy in another prison. They are hoping that someone will crack,
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: will say something, and so far nothing that I know
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: of Nancy. We do know this. After her disappearance, the
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: Sheriff's office released a statement saying the investigation is ongoing,
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: that they have learned through the investigation they minimize the
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: likelihood that Haley's disappearance is the work of stranger and
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: those who know what happened still won't repeat it. Mark
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: class I think that's pretty clear. What do you make
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: of it? Well, now, I believe that at some point
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: in time somebody will crack. Remember the Holly Bubble situation
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: it was. It was similar in a lot of ways.
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  Speaker 1: It was a rural situation. The people that did it
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  Speaker 1: were heavily invested in drugs, and it was only a
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  Speaker 1: matter of time before somebody finally cracked. And I suspect
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: that will happen in this case as well. You know,
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: you're right, that happens so often, Karen start. I find
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  Speaker 1: it very difficult to believe that whoever took or killed
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: Helly Cummings can stay quiet forever well, and especially that
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: there are so many people that are in jail, someone
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  Speaker 1: is going to say something to somebody, brag about it,
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: or let people know that they're they're in on it.
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  Speaker 1: And we can only hope, Nancy, that at is what happened,
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  Speaker 1: because so much of the time in this particular story,
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: the focus is on what the personal life was like,
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  Speaker 1: the drugs they were taking, and it goes away from
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  Speaker 1: the fact that this little girl has been missing for
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: so long. I remember doing the case with you. That
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  Speaker 1: was a long time ago. So we have to hope
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  Speaker 1: that somebody stoves the beans here and it was a
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: very Nancy. The other another thing law enforcement up against
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: Nancy is the players. At least those in this little
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: circle have proven to be totally untrustworthy. They have flunked
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: at least Mystery has four polygraphs. Tommy has flunked his.
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: And so you're gonna need more than one word or
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: two or three against another. You've got to have DNA,
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: you've got to have a body, You've got to have
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: something that shows whoever is giving up information is worthy
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: of belief and perhaps a reduced sentence by the results,
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  Speaker 1: and that means bringing Haley home. That is going to
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  Speaker 1: be the challenge to Mark Class, founder of Class Kids Foundation. Mark.
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  Speaker 1: The home is very small from where she disappeared, okay,
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  Speaker 1: and she was, you know, just feet away from Mr
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  Speaker 1: Crosland when she is allegedly taken from her bed. We're
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: talking about five year old Haaey Cummings last scene alive
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  Speaker 1: at her small home in Putnam County, UH, the small
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: town of sets Suma. So what does that mean to you,
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: Mark Class As far as who may have disposed of her, well,
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: a couple of things. Number One, I agree that this
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: has got nothing at all to do with the stranger.
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  Speaker 1: This is something that happened within this very small drug
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  Speaker 1: infested community. And secondly, I believe that Mr knew way
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: more than she has been She is telling and it's
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: only a matter of time, I'm sure, before she cracks
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  Speaker 1: and spills the beans. One way the tip line three
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  Speaker 1: eight six three two nine zero eight hundred, please help
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  Speaker 1: us find Halley Cummings. Nancy Grace Crime Stories, signing off,
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