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Gordie Chiesa Hour on the Utah Jazz and NBA, Do the Jazz have go-to players (?), Title contenders + more · The Sean O'Connell Show

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  Speaker 1: Peace out.
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  Speaker 2: Let's get the latest on the Utah Jazz with former
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  Speaker 2: Jazz assistant coach Gordy Chiasa. He's forgotten more about the
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  Speaker 2: NBA than any of us will ever know.
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  Speaker 1: That's not that crazy.
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  Speaker 2: Come for the hoops talk, stay for his list of
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  Speaker 2: the day My list today. Here's oc with basketball saban
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  Speaker 2: Gordy Chiasa on the Sean O'Connell Show.
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  Speaker 3: So I'm actually gonna cheat here. Gordy. First of all, welcome,
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  Speaker 3: how are you?
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  Speaker 1: I am doing fine? Sean, thank you.
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  Speaker 4: I'm actually going to cheat in that my first question
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  Speaker 4: for you is not going to be about basketball at all,
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  Speaker 4: while it does apply to the NBA and it's something
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  Speaker 4: that we've kind of touched on in the past.
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  Speaker 3: Morgan scally he coached the bowl.
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  Speaker 4: Game for the University of Utah last year, right to
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  Speaker 4: great success, big win over Nebraska in the Vegas Bowl.
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  Speaker 4: He's been coaching all this, you know, winter conditioning, spring
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  Speaker 4: football and all that. But now he's true, truly taking
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  Speaker 4: the reins the first time in his career. He is
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  Speaker 4: the head coach of his beloved University of Utah, the
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  Speaker 4: alma mater. He's a Utah man, always have been ever
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  Speaker 4: will be. That's his thing. But this is his first
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  Speaker 4: real season, right and while I don't think there's any
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  Speaker 4: doubt he's been groomed for this, I don't think there's
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  Speaker 4: any doubt that he is philosophically prepared for this. My
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  Speaker 4: first question for you is what are the growing pains
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  Speaker 4: actually like for a first time a head coach? Because
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  Speaker 4: you got to work alongside some head coaches, probably some
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  Speaker 4: first time head coaches along your path, what's it actually
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  Speaker 4: like taking the reins and handling all of it, player personnel,
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  Speaker 4: coaching personnel, making the boosters happy, talking to the university president,
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  Speaker 4: all these duties that didn't exist for him previously. He's
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  Speaker 4: heading into this twenty twenty six campaign with high expectations
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  Speaker 4: and a whole new workload.
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  Speaker 5: The biggest thing is delegation. Is that you can't do
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  Speaker 5: it by yourself. And so what you do is that
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  Speaker 5: you delegate to the coordinators, which he was once was
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  Speaker 5: defensive coordinator, and that you let them run with it
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  Speaker 5: and all the other things. In other words, you've got
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  Speaker 5: to be able to focus on football as far as
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  Speaker 5: decision making. You're a head coach in high division one
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  Speaker 5: end or NBA or NFL. Really you oversee the whole
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  Speaker 5: big picture and you're in charge of every part of it.
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  Speaker 5: But the the coordinators and the assistant coaches and all
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  Speaker 5: the periphial staff, they're the ones in charge of a
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  Speaker 5: certain thing, and that you let them run with it,
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  Speaker 5: and then you coordinate everything with them, and that you're
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  Speaker 5: the final decision of it. And it's overwhelming, and that
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  Speaker 5: suddenly you're the ones gonna go for a field goal
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  Speaker 5: showing or you're gonna go for the first down. You're
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  Speaker 5: gonna will it with your team, and it's it takes
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  Speaker 5: a lot of you're confident in it, but you haven't
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  Speaker 5: done yet, and that's the ability to do it and
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  Speaker 5: also understand that you're not a coordinator, you're the final
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  Speaker 5: decision maker.
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  Speaker 1: And it's overwhelming.
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  Speaker 4: So that final we were kind of philosophically going through this,
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  Speaker 4: all right, what is the real difference, and you just
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  Speaker 4: mentioned it. It's making those decisions and you got to
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  Speaker 4: do them in game. You have to have you know,
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  Speaker 4: the right script for all of it. You have to
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  Speaker 4: be as prepared as you could possibly be. But there's
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  Speaker 4: going to be several moments this year where every single
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  Speaker 4: person in a stadium and most importantly, the one hundred
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  Speaker 4: and fifty ish guys that you work with every day,
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  Speaker 4: player and coaches, They're gonna look at you and they're
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  Speaker 4: gonna say, are we going for it?
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  Speaker 3: Here? Are we kicking the field goal? Are we gonna
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  Speaker 3: run a fake button?
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  Speaker 6: Here?
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  Speaker 3: Are we going to take a risk? What are we
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  Speaker 3: doing here? Now?
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  Speaker 4: That is Morgan Scally's job. Now, previously, I'm sure he
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  Speaker 4: would say, I want to do this, We should be aggressive. Here,
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  Speaker 4: here's something I think we could do. Hey, coach, I'm
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  Speaker 4: in the headset, I'm in your ear. This is where
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  Speaker 4: that certain player, that certain blitz packers, this is where
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  Speaker 4: it could work for us, is where the punk block
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  Speaker 4: is why we put it in. But ultimately you're the
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  Speaker 4: one who has to say, all right, we're calling the
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  Speaker 4: time out. Now, all right, we're doing this now. I
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  Speaker 4: mean that is for even for people who've been around
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  Speaker 4: football for their entire lives like he has, it's new duties.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, very much.
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  Speaker 5: And also as far as decision making, is that from
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  Speaker 5: a player's point of view, that you have to have
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  Speaker 5: confidence in the players. And so again with that, let's
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  Speaker 5: say showing the field goal kicker, all right, what is
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  Speaker 5: his distance and what is his rhythm and nuances of
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  Speaker 5: his personality and so much Again is managing personalities of
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  Speaker 5: gur besides the coaching staff, but also the players that
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  Speaker 5: you've got to get them confidence, yet you got to
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  Speaker 5: understand about out winning the game. It's that unbelievable fine line.
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  Speaker 5: So example shown in basketball, a player that you really
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  Speaker 5: have confidence in is struggling. He's zero for eight during
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  Speaker 5: the cost of a game. The question is what's his
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  Speaker 5: personality if you take him out or tell him those
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  Speaker 5: awful words? Think about at this moment now thinking about
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  Speaker 5: when you're free, keep shooting, but at what cost? Though
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  Speaker 5: sure I always takes all the time Sean, is that
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  Speaker 5: when you tell a player in basketball or trying to
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  Speaker 5: create the football, you tell a field goal kicker you take,
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  Speaker 5: you take him out, or you go you go for
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  Speaker 5: a first down versus field goal because he missed three
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  Speaker 5: in a row. Hypothetically is that the day the person's
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  Speaker 5: born on his gravestone and the day he dies in
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  Speaker 5: his gravestone. Also next to it is what the day
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  Speaker 5: you told him don't shoot or don't kick shoun the
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  Speaker 5: day you told him don't shoot in NBA? Today he's
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  Speaker 5: born nineteen ninety something, the day he passed away lud Willing,
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  Speaker 5: you know, twenty ninety something, and the day you told
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  Speaker 5: him as a head coach not to shoot or not
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  Speaker 5: to kick.
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  Speaker 4: Well, we talked about that exact example yesterday. Oh you did,
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  Speaker 4: because we were bringing up the kicker, right Utah's got
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  Speaker 4: this kicker, Okay, who was a five star athlete in
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  Speaker 4: high school, and he was like the number one kicker
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  Speaker 4: in the nation in high school and as a freshman
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  Speaker 4: he was nails on his extra points. But there was
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  Speaker 4: a time, an important juncture of the season where the
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  Speaker 4: head coach didn't walk up to him and say, I
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  Speaker 4: don't trust you, but the play calling said I don't
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  Speaker 4: trust you in this spot correct and asking an eighteen
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  Speaker 4: nineteen year old kid who comes in with a lot
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  Speaker 4: of fanfare to deal with that.
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  Speaker 3: That's what you're talking about. That's that weird balance.
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  Speaker 5: Very much, and it affects the whole group. Though sure,
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  Speaker 5: hey we love you dog. However we're gonna go for
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  Speaker 5: it right now. Yeah, or hey we love you dog,
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  Speaker 5: Okay said. But in the NBA Finals, showing a long
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  Speaker 5: time ago pat Rally, who's a Hall of Fame coach
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  Speaker 5: John Starks, who later played for the Jazz. Later on
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  Speaker 5: in nineteen ninety four, in the famous OJ Simpson Final game,
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  Speaker 5: He's chased down that on the highway with Al Cowan
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  Speaker 5: and it was playing the Rockets. Stalks goes two for
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  Speaker 5: eighteen in game six, including for eleven. Pat Rally says.
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  Speaker 5: Pat Rally says his all time out loud and also
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  Speaker 5: in his books that I should have took him out
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  Speaker 5: because in the big picture it affected the whole franchise sure,
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  Speaker 5: versus giving one player what a free reign.
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  Speaker 4: So give me a couple of guys, if you're willing
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  Speaker 4: to name names, who you could say they had the
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  Speaker 4: right mentality to say, hey, not right now, and they
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  Speaker 4: were going to react to that properly. And maybe the
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  Speaker 4: other end of that where you had to be careful
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  Speaker 4: because if you say, I'm not drawing up this final
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  Speaker 4: play for you you're cold, or or I don't want
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  Speaker 4: you shooting right now, you're cold or whatever, it was
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  Speaker 4: going to become a problem for that person because the
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  Speaker 4: spectrum is all over the place right very much. There's
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  Speaker 4: a bunch of guys hitters in baseball, pitchers in baseball,
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  Speaker 4: shooters in basketball, kickers, I mean quarterbacks, right, how many
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  Speaker 4: times have we seen a guy where he just gets
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  Speaker 4: the yips for a game or whatever, he can't place
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  Speaker 4: the ball where he needs to place it.
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  Speaker 3: There's you tough fans that'll tell you.
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  Speaker 4: A couple of years ago, Cam Rising comes back after
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  Speaker 4: so long away Arizona State injures his ankle on the
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  Speaker 4: second down of the game, and the coaching staff were like,
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  Speaker 4: we're gonna ride or die with him, even though it
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  Speaker 4: was clear he couldn't keep going.
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  Speaker 3: It was clear he couldn't throw the football right.
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  Speaker 4: He's the kind of guy that if you pull him
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  Speaker 4: out and say we're pulling you out because you're hurt,
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  Speaker 4: not because we don't trust you, I think he would
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  Speaker 4: have been Okay, that felt like the wrong decision.
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  Speaker 3: It goes all over the place, all up and down
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  Speaker 3: that spectrum.
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  Speaker 5: And to this so also in basketball, Scottie Pippen Hall
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  Speaker 5: of Famer. Sure, all right, Michael Jordan is playing baseball,
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  Speaker 5: so dy're in the playoffs. There's the big pitcher now
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  Speaker 5: in the playoffs. Phil Jackson again the most winningest coach
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  Speaker 5: in the NBA as far as titles is eleven championships.
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  Speaker 5: He doesn't diagram a play for Scottie Pippen in a
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  Speaker 5: playoff game. In the last few seconds, Scottie Pippen sulks.
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  Speaker 5: He sulks about it. The play goes to Tony Kuk Coach,
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  Speaker 5: who makes the winning jump shot makes the jump shot
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  Speaker 5: to win the playoff game for the Bulls without Michael Jordan,
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  Speaker 5: and Michael was there. It's cutting dry. He's getting the
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  Speaker 5: ball hopefully in space, all right, but now it's the
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  Speaker 5: Jordan's in baseball. So Pippen thinks the Bulls should go
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  Speaker 5: to him, but Phil Jackson makes a decision to go
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  Speaker 5: to Coup coach. As far as the set play he delivered,
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  Speaker 5: Scotti Pitpen didn't refuse to go in the game.
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  Speaker 3: That's crazy, crazy, it happened.
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  Speaker 5: It happened because you're dealing with what players human behavior
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  Speaker 5: at that moment. I'm sure they regretted weeks, months, decades late,
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  Speaker 5: they regretted what was I thinking? I was being Philip Blankson,
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  Speaker 5: all right, but at that moment, think about only one
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  Speaker 5: thing themselves.
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  Speaker 4: And to circle it back to the original conversation. That
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  Speaker 4: is also something that a head coach has to deal with,
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  Speaker 4: right personalities, because you know your position, coach, your shooting
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  Speaker 4: coach or whatever, coach, your bench guy. At the end
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  Speaker 4: of the day, they're not going to be able to
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  Speaker 4: grab up Scottie Pippen and say, hey, knock this off,
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  Speaker 4: or we're gonna deal with you a certain way.
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  Speaker 3: Only the head coach can handle that very much.
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  Speaker 5: And so it's different that it's different being a head coach.
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  Speaker 5: In the NBA, I was starting the late great Jerry Sloan.
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  Speaker 5: He had this unbelievable fear that in the fourth quarter,
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  Speaker 5: we're not going to score a point. Really, I said
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  Speaker 5: them all the time. Really, we're going to score the
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  Speaker 5: next possession. And this is Jerry saying to me thousands
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  Speaker 5: of times, we can't score in the fourth quarter. Really,
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  Speaker 5: give the ball the alone, I'm sure we can score.
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  Speaker 5: I'm positive of that. All right, give the ball to Boozer.
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  Speaker 5: I'm sure we can score, meaning Cols Booser. So these
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  Speaker 5: are all things that every head coach has. Certain what's
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  Speaker 5: the word fear is in a positive way or anxiety?
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  Speaker 5: Anxiety is a good thing. Bill Russell, the world's greatest winner,
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  Speaker 5: used to throw up every playoff game. Before a playoff game,
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  Speaker 5: you threw up. It's documented all the time when it happened.
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  Speaker 5: The team was so happy knowing that Bill Russell was
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  Speaker 5: ready to play in a playoff game of either one.
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  Speaker 5: He won eleven championships, So it happens.
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  Speaker 4: One of the best players I grew up with. Love you,
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  Speaker 4: Kevin Freestone. Shout out to the whole Freestone family.
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  Speaker 1: This is football, now football, Okay, great.
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  Speaker 3: He would throw up in the huddle, Gordy, here you go. Okay,
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  Speaker 3: not because he was.
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  Speaker 4: Over exerting or whatever, but the nerves of the competition.
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  Speaker 4: You would throw up right there in the huddle. Le'
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  Speaker 4: be dripping out of his face mask. And he played well,
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  Speaker 4: he was great. He was the best player on the team.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 4: And then you know he go get down in the stance. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: the opposing team would be looking at him. He'd be
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  Speaker 4: throwing up, he'd be finishing dry heaving right before the snap.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Oh my gosh. It's so funny how people's minds and
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  Speaker 4: bodies work together.
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  Speaker 5: Very much, and so as a head coach in charge
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  Speaker 5: of so many different personalities, that's what makes it so unique.
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  Speaker 5: And there's circumstances of what happens again on the team bus,
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  Speaker 5: on the charter flight the day before the walk and
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  Speaker 5: during the walk through the day of the game, the
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  Speaker 5: day before practice sessions, who's injured, who's could play through
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  Speaker 5: an injury, who's not gonna play. There's so many different dynamics,
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  Speaker 5: and that's why it's so important to be on top
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  Speaker 5: of that, and you have to delegate authority at that moment.
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  Speaker 5: You cannot be the heavy all the time, or you
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  Speaker 5: can't be the good guy even some of the time
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  Speaker 5: when you're a head coach. But you could be a
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  Speaker 5: world class listener. Most great, great head coaches at every level.
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  Speaker 5: I call him the world class listeners. They listen to
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  Speaker 5: the assistant coaches, the people on staff, they listen to
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  Speaker 5: the to the veteran players on their team, and they
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  Speaker 5: listen to the young people of what they're going through
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  Speaker 5: and then they make a decision. So the question with
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  Speaker 5: the Morgan Scali is he a world class listener? What
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  Speaker 5: do you think, Sean?
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  Speaker 3: I think he is great? Okay.
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  Speaker 4: I think one of the great things about Morgan Scally
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  Speaker 4: is his communication is a beauty. His ability to communicate
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  Speaker 4: with every style of communication.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 4: He's got the gregariousness and energy to meet even like
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  Speaker 4: the most extroverted person on their level. But He's introspective, thoughtful,
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  Speaker 4: uh spiritual enough that he can really dig in with
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  Speaker 4: the introverted person who doesn't want to have that common
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  Speaker 4: I think his communication style and skill is going to
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  Speaker 4: be one of the things that when the book is
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  Speaker 4: written someday about Morgan Scalley, that's what people talk about.
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  Speaker 5: And so that's uniqueness of it, and that's his personality.
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  Speaker 5: And usually speaking, the team takes the personality of the
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  Speaker 5: head coach, just generally speaking, right, with the exception outlier
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  Speaker 5: truly being an exception. So in jazz basketball, I trust
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  Speaker 5: when I say this, the Utah Jazz and Yesterdya took
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  Speaker 5: the personality of their head coach.
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  Speaker 1: Sure, I'm absolutely positive of that positive.
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  Speaker 3: So what does that look like now?
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  Speaker 4: Because Will Hardy's personality for these last several years has
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  Speaker 4: unfortunately been muted because he is, like every head coach
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  Speaker 4: in the NBA, a hardcore competitor. Obviously we've seen the
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  Speaker 4: little viral clips. He can be pretty fiery, right, he
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  Speaker 4: has not been allowed, because of the machinations behind and
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  Speaker 4: the scenes, to be the competitor he wants to be,
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  Speaker 4: to be the winner he wants to be. So what
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  Speaker 4: does that look like now that the chips are all
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  Speaker 4: on the table. Now that you take the governor off
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  Speaker 4: and you say all right, go do your thing, how
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  Speaker 4: much will we see Will Hardy and the personality of
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  Speaker 4: the coach and the team as a reflection of him
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  Speaker 4: change now that he can go out and win, will.
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  Speaker 5: A chance tremendously answers be front and center, and from
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  Speaker 5: that very first day of the meeting, the opening meeting
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  Speaker 5: of this is what the rules are, this is what
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  Speaker 5: we're going to do accomplished, especially on defense. Again, as
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  Speaker 5: the Jazz go forward, they just have talent, is that
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  Speaker 5: they have to get better tremendously defensively. And it starts
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  Speaker 5: both any sport, on ball, off ball. It affects everything
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  Speaker 5: you do. So the ability to guard on ball and
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  Speaker 5: the ability to play help to help a defense. And
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  Speaker 5: Will Hardy and his coaching staff, which are really talented people,
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  Speaker 5: they're going to change the look of the Jazz as
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  Speaker 5: far as playing defense and competing on both sides, especially
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  Speaker 5: on especially on when it's a gritty game. But sometimes
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  Speaker 5: Sean things don't go correctly offensively, your team is struggling,
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  Speaker 5: they can't make a layup, they missed four straight foul shots,
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  Speaker 5: but your defense keeps you in the game until why,
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  Speaker 5: there's an awakening of your offensive abilities. Suddenly what you
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  Speaker 5: get three straight stops in the game instead of being
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  Speaker 5: down eight, you only down two because you got you
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  Speaker 5: guarded them. And now your offense, now there's a reappearance
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  Speaker 5: of it led by what by dribbled drive to the basket,
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  Speaker 5: kick it out for that rhythm corner three. And that's
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  Speaker 5: how teams win Sean most road games and especially road
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  Speaker 5: playoff games. The games are ugly, and I call it
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  Speaker 5: ugly is beautiful because she won a player. So when's
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  Speaker 5: the last time in the NFL playoff game when the
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  Speaker 5: team couldn't score but they won?
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  Speaker 1: And what they evance on?
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  Speaker 5: We couldn't score, but our defense what and special teams
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  Speaker 5: they kept us wide in the game ian a punt
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  Speaker 5: they win the game first.
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  Speaker 4: Hypothetically, that's kind of what playoff football becomes. Absolutely, playoff
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  Speaker 4: basketball becomes very much.
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  Speaker 5: It's gritty, it's a science. There's nothing regular about playoffs
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  Speaker 5: in the NFL or the NBA. Nothing regular. It's always gritty.
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  Speaker 4: We talked about this a little bit yesterday after we
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  Speaker 4: had you on. Tony Jones joined us and he's obviously
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  Speaker 4: in Philadelphia. Now he's covering the seventy six Ers, that
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  Speaker 4: team that lebron chose to be on. And I asked him,
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  Speaker 4: because I'm asking everybody about Joel Embiid and about the
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  Speaker 4: health questions around Joel Embiid, and his response was, Look,
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  Speaker 4: as long as you can keep Joel Embiid healthy for
• 17:47
  Speaker 4: the playoffs, when you actually need that inside presence, when
• 17:50
  Speaker 4: you actually need the defensive presence, the shot blocking, the
• 17:54
  Speaker 4: inside scoring. They could probably make the playoffs without him
• 17:57
  Speaker 4: at all during the regular season. But if he's ready
• 18:01
  Speaker 4: to go in shape and healthy when you get to
• 18:03
  Speaker 4: the playoffs, now we're talking. And I was like, first
• 18:06
  Speaker 4: of all, what a luxurious position for the Philadelphia seventy
• 18:10
  Speaker 4: six ers to be in where you might not need
• 18:12
  Speaker 4: one of your four best players for a regular season run.
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: But it's more pointedly.
• 18:18
  Speaker 4: About how the style of basketball in the playoffs changes.
• 18:22
  Speaker 4: And we saw that with the Spurs last year, we
• 18:24
  Speaker 4: saw that with the Knicks last year. We saw the
• 18:26
  Speaker 4: way that you know, Oklahoma City thrived two years ago
• 18:30
  Speaker 4: and even into this year's playoffs with that stylistic shift,
• 18:34
  Speaker 4: being able to accommodate it, being able to take it
• 18:36
  Speaker 4: and you know, win that kind of basketball without having
• 18:40
  Speaker 4: to be pretty.
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, very much.
• 18:42
  Speaker 5: And so usually in most playoff games and every sport,
• 18:45
  Speaker 5: the game slows down that it's more of a half
• 18:49
  Speaker 5: court or in football, a ball control offense. So defense
• 18:54
  Speaker 5: absolutely rules, and that's when you need somebody to score
• 18:59
  Speaker 5: a point. We call chaos scoring. Where can Joel Embiid,
• 19:02
  Speaker 5: which he can, He can score in chaos, and so
• 19:05
  Speaker 5: can Lebron James scoring chaos where the defense is so
• 19:08
  Speaker 5: good and legally physical that they can dry through it.
• 19:11
  Speaker 5: And Joel Embiid, let's not forget, he averaged twenty seven
• 19:14
  Speaker 5: points a game in his career in the playoffs when
• 19:17
  Speaker 5: he's healthy, and that makes it so unique right now,
• 19:20
  Speaker 5: last year, Joel Embiid, unfortunately he only played six executive
• 19:24
  Speaker 5: games in the regular season before either sitting down injury
• 19:27
  Speaker 5: or they set him down to quote rest them as
• 19:30
  Speaker 5: far as his legs and stuff. So but playoff basketball
• 19:33
  Speaker 5: is different. There's no rest involved and you've got to
• 19:36
  Speaker 5: be able to perform. And that's the factor. In the Sixers.
• 19:38
  Speaker 5: They feel that they can go after the Knickrobockers and
• 19:42
  Speaker 5: the upstart Detroit Pistons, and they think also they can
• 19:45
  Speaker 5: hold off the Cavaliers to get a quantum leaf as
• 19:48
  Speaker 5: far as getting the getting to the NBA Finals for
• 19:52
  Speaker 5: the first time since two thousand and one, which will
• 19:56
  Speaker 5: be then twenty six years in twenty twenty seven. And
• 19:58
  Speaker 5: the last time they want to checkchampionship was nineteen eighty
• 20:01
  Speaker 5: three with that Doctor j and that crew and Bobby
• 20:05
  Speaker 5: Jones and Andrew Tony and all those guys.
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: Eighty three a great year for the world.
• 20:11
  Speaker 5: That year you were born, correct, Yes, really, Sean is
• 20:14
  Speaker 5: Sean is a very young cat. He's young. And James
• 20:18
  Speaker 5: Peterson is another young cat. He's young, and then showing,
• 20:21
  Speaker 5: and then there's me. I am truly not young, to
• 20:24
  Speaker 5: say the least. I'm an ulster well but young at heart. Gordy, Yeah,
• 20:29
  Speaker 5: I am no, thanks, I appreciate that.
• 20:32
  Speaker 3: I try to be.
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: I tempt to be.
• 20:33
  Speaker 4: So I want to circle back to something we were
• 20:35
  Speaker 4: talking about early in this segment, where you know, Will
• 20:39
  Speaker 4: Hardy's style is going to change a little bit now
• 20:42
  Speaker 4: that he's allowed to win. The communication that you have
• 20:46
  Speaker 4: to master over an entire roster as a head coach
• 20:49
  Speaker 4: and managing the personalities of like, all right, who's gonna
• 20:53
  Speaker 4: be able to handle the criticism. Who's going to be
• 20:55
  Speaker 4: able to handle not being told not to shoot? Who's
• 20:58
  Speaker 4: gonna be able to handle Hey, we're gonna draw play
• 21:00
  Speaker 4: up for you when we're down two and we need
• 21:02
  Speaker 4: a three pointer with one point eight seconds left? How
• 21:06
  Speaker 4: important is it to establish who those guys are for?
• 21:10
  Speaker 4: Will Hardy on this roster? Because look, we all love
• 21:13
  Speaker 4: what Kiante George has done. I don't know that anyone's
• 21:16
  Speaker 4: ready to say game on the line. Give the ball
• 21:18
  Speaker 4: to Keyante George and you're gonna be okay.
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: Same with Ace Bailey.
• 21:22
  Speaker 4: Lowry marketing, I guess maybe. But the players are gonna
• 21:27
  Speaker 4: have to know who that guy is. The coaches are
• 21:29
  Speaker 4: gonna have to know who that guy is. We get
• 21:31
  Speaker 4: to find out at some point during the season who
• 21:33
  Speaker 4: that guy is, or maybe more pointedly, who that guy
• 21:36
  Speaker 4: is not.
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: How does that process work?
• 21:39
  Speaker 5: He works in practice where the time they call it
• 21:42
  Speaker 5: the time and score game, where the exact scenary describe
• 21:46
  Speaker 5: you did three point shot one point eight seconds.
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: Here's the situation.
• 21:50
  Speaker 5: We're gonna run as far as the play formation, the
• 21:53
  Speaker 5: defense will not cooperate, and again, you have to be
• 21:55
  Speaker 5: able to score a basket out of I mentioned before,
• 22:00
  Speaker 5: but also we call it out of nothing. And so
• 22:02
  Speaker 5: Larry Markin, who's such a great foul shooter. Also, so
• 22:05
  Speaker 5: I would assume that right now and a lot of
• 22:08
  Speaker 5: times the defenses they switch. So Larry Marking at seven
• 22:11
  Speaker 5: foot if for some reason the defense did try to
• 22:14
  Speaker 5: exchange and go against him, he can shoot over the top.
• 22:17
  Speaker 5: So as we speak right now, probably it's gonna be
• 22:21
  Speaker 5: Larry Marking in one, Jaron Jackson two again because they
• 22:26
  Speaker 5: as a big guy, they do play switch defense, he
• 22:28
  Speaker 5: can shoot over the top of them. And then three
• 22:32
  Speaker 5: it's gonna be Kiante George and four Darren Peterson because
• 22:38
  Speaker 5: Peterson has the ability as a young fella to create
• 22:40
  Speaker 5: his own shot off the dribble and once he elevates,
• 22:43
  Speaker 5: he can get up in the air. And he's also
• 22:45
  Speaker 5: a good foul shoot eighty four percent. And so those
• 22:48
  Speaker 5: are probably the guys that have it. Then off the bench,
• 22:50
  Speaker 5: let's not forget Bryce censer ball. Sean is a guy
• 22:54
  Speaker 5: that he can shoot and censer balls in the game.
• 22:57
  Speaker 5: You love to have him with the ball in his
• 22:59
  Speaker 5: hands on the sho short clock because he has supreme
• 23:02
  Speaker 5: confidence and I'm sure that the coaching staff has it
• 23:05
  Speaker 5: in him, and I like sense of Ball who's vastly underrated,
• 23:08
  Speaker 5: and so they have some different options. But I'm gonna
• 23:11
  Speaker 5: go one step further. The Jazz have to get to
• 23:14
  Speaker 5: that point. They've got to play defense and have defensive
• 23:16
  Speaker 5: playmakers and Sean, we haven't talked about this in a
• 23:19
  Speaker 5: in a while since a few weeks ago, but the
• 23:22
  Speaker 5: Jazz admitted a very smart, simple contract with josh Okogi.
• 23:27
  Speaker 5: Josha Kogi is a guy that plays really superior defense
• 23:31
  Speaker 5: on perimeter that had a career year last year from
• 23:34
  Speaker 5: three point range, shooting thirty eight point seven percent from threes.
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: But he can play, he can guard.
• 23:39
  Speaker 5: So Josha Koji off the bench is gonna help the
• 23:42
  Speaker 5: Jazz as far as trying to slow down the other
• 23:45
  Speaker 5: team's wing scorers, as far as either not a starter
• 23:49
  Speaker 5: but as a second unit guy. If he just play
• 23:52
  Speaker 5: against the starters in the beginning of the third quarter
• 23:55
  Speaker 5: or the fourth quarter, he's gonna try to make them
• 23:58
  Speaker 5: uh I call it ruble defensive player, where he's going
• 24:01
  Speaker 5: to go after them and make him shoot, make him
• 24:03
  Speaker 5: feel uncomfortable. And so it's going to help the Jazz
• 24:06
  Speaker 5: as far as doing that. Also, they added a guy
• 24:07
  Speaker 5: named Mobamba who was on the team last year, and
• 24:10
  Speaker 5: he'll give them a shot blocking presence again off the bench.
• 24:14
  Speaker 5: So the two guys that Jazz added not as far
• 24:16
  Speaker 5: as draft wise, but they're both defensive minded and that
• 24:20
  Speaker 5: is good. So that tells me that the Jazz recognized
• 24:23
  Speaker 5: that some of their shortcomings and they're going to try
• 24:26
  Speaker 5: to uh to try to accelerate it as far as
• 24:29
  Speaker 5: getting better defensively. And that's it sounds so simple, but
• 24:33
  Speaker 5: it gets hard showing every every NBA practice that's been
• 24:36
  Speaker 5: element of what we call it hurt feelings because without
• 24:40
  Speaker 5: without hurt feelings and practice, you get mixed results in
• 24:43
  Speaker 5: the game. The criteria's this don't make hurt feelings and
• 24:47
  Speaker 5: the hard feelings where you can't go back to the player. So, Sean,
• 24:51
  Speaker 5: I'm sure that your best coaches that that tooted you
• 24:55
  Speaker 5: sometimes you didn't like them, sometimes like them. Yeah, I
• 25:01
  Speaker 5: think that's good, perfectly normal.
• 25:03
  Speaker 4: It's kind of like a parent. You shouldn't always be
• 25:05
  Speaker 4: popular with the children.
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: Oh, very not, not at all. You agree with that?
• 25:09
  Speaker 5: I agree sometimes, Yeah, Matt, I know I know the
• 25:14
  Speaker 5: feeling very much. And that's The reason why is that again,
• 25:18
  Speaker 5: hurt feelings is good in every practice, but just don't
• 25:22
  Speaker 5: make the hurt feelings into what hard feelings whether player
• 25:25
  Speaker 5: doesn't want to talk with you and likewise you towards
• 25:28
  Speaker 5: the player. So it's that fine line. It's your body language,
• 25:31
  Speaker 5: it's your voice diction, how you raise your voice at
• 25:33
  Speaker 5: a certain thing, or the words you use, and it's
• 25:36
  Speaker 5: all part of coaching ability to get players to usually
• 25:41
  Speaker 5: sean overperform. A lot of times players don't know their
• 25:45
  Speaker 5: own ceiling. They think they have a ceiling, but it's
• 25:48
  Speaker 5: way beyond that. And your job as a coach in
• 25:50
  Speaker 5: the NBA or the NFL or Division one football, your
• 25:54
  Speaker 5: job is to bring the best out of the players
• 25:56
  Speaker 5: individually but also as a collective group. And that's that.
• 25:59
  Speaker 5: That's the goal of every successful team and coach.
• 26:03
  Speaker 4: That's Gordia chas that we've got him for the whole
• 26:05
  Speaker 4: first hour here, this is his final hit of the offseason,
• 26:09
  Speaker 4: and then once NBA season rolls back around, will have
• 26:12
  Speaker 4: Gordy on on a regular basis because we love picking
• 26:15
  Speaker 4: his brain. All right, we know this, you cannot you
• 26:19
  Speaker 4: and I a normal person, even a really really well
• 26:22
  Speaker 4: off person, you can't afford to buy into the primary
• 26:26
  Speaker 4: NBA product, What about though a G League team, or
• 26:30
  Speaker 4: what about something like an NBA Europe team. The price
• 26:33
  Speaker 4: point on that is starting to be established, and we're
• 26:36
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• 27:57
  Speaker 4: into the NBA official offseason, which is not not as
• 28:01
  Speaker 4: long as these players and coaches and personnel guys need
• 28:04
  Speaker 4: it to be, but that's the way things go. Before
• 28:07
  Speaker 4: the break, I teased the price point being set on
• 28:12
  Speaker 4: these hypothetical totally hypothetical so far NBA Europe, NBA Global
• 28:19
  Speaker 4: expansion franchises. The first, the most appealing of these, right,
• 28:26
  Speaker 4: are your big cities NBA London, NBA Paris, NBA Rome,
• 28:32
  Speaker 4: NBA Berlin.
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: Like these big, big.
• 28:34
  Speaker 4: Cities, right, The NBA London one was considered kind of
• 28:38
  Speaker 4: the crown jewel. And remember this is not an NBA franchise.
• 28:43
  Speaker 4: This is not like we've talked about with the NFL,
• 28:45
  Speaker 4: where maybe Shad Cohn will take the Jaguars over to
• 28:49
  Speaker 4: play in London. This is a triple A team effectively,
• 28:52
  Speaker 4: Is that the right way to characterize this cording?
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah very much?
• 28:55
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Okay, absolutely so I'm asking all of you out there, Hey,
• 28:59
  Speaker 4: how much would it call me to buy a Triple
• 29:01
  Speaker 4: A team, not a Major League Baseball team, not an
• 29:05
  Speaker 4: NBA team. How much would it cost me to get
• 29:08
  Speaker 4: into this even if it was in London. Well, so far,
• 29:14
  Speaker 4: what has come in is a billion dollar offer from
• 29:18
  Speaker 4: Nikesh Aurora, who's a Silicon Valley tech CEO who's diversifying
• 29:23
  Speaker 4: his portfolio. He already bought a cricket forty nine percent
• 29:27
  Speaker 4: of a cricket team in London. He's of South Asian descent,
• 29:31
  Speaker 4: he has London roots. He's a guy who wants to
• 29:34
  Speaker 4: build up the sporting infrastructure in London, the American sporting
• 29:39
  Speaker 4: infrastructure in London. And a billion dollars is what he
• 29:43
  Speaker 4: is willing to pay to be the owner of the
• 29:46
  Speaker 4: NBA London franchise should it come to pass, which is
• 29:49
  Speaker 4: still a question.
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, very much.
• 29:51
  Speaker 5: Also, and that's a billion dollars just to buy the team.
• 29:55
  Speaker 5: It's not salaries, and it's not the personnel people and
• 29:59
  Speaker 5: all the marketing apparatus you need to grow the business.
• 30:03
  Speaker 5: There just the privilege to acquire the asset of a team. Now,
• 30:08
  Speaker 5: the problem is showing that alluding to I think called FEB.
• 30:12
  Speaker 5: Feber has their own teams in Europe and it's flourishing.
• 30:17
  Speaker 5: And the question is can the NBA go into Europe
• 30:21
  Speaker 5: and have their own league with conjunction with FEB with
• 30:26
  Speaker 5: their teams or do the teams merge with the As always,
• 30:30
  Speaker 5: the biggest sticking point is the METEA rights the broadcasting
• 30:35
  Speaker 5: of it, who gets the percentage of it? And then
• 30:38
  Speaker 5: let from an NBA point of view, the players' union,
• 30:41
  Speaker 5: you mean to tell me we're gonna have our clients
• 30:45
  Speaker 5: go over to Europe and not be compensated even more
• 30:48
  Speaker 5: than playing in the States. And as there's so many
• 30:51
  Speaker 5: things that work out, but they're trying to least start
• 30:55
  Speaker 5: of either a single person buying a team or a
• 31:00
  Speaker 5: group of people buying a team.
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: For the for the NBA in quote Europe.
• 31:06
  Speaker 5: Well, we'll find out shown in next two or three
• 31:08
  Speaker 5: years if it plays either or not.
• 31:11
  Speaker 4: More than one hundred and twenty prospective investors submitted what
• 31:16
  Speaker 4: they call declarations of interest in the first round when
• 31:19
  Speaker 4: the NBA was kind of like, you know, putting out
• 31:22
  Speaker 4: feelers here. The proposal is sixteen teams twelve would be
• 31:27
  Speaker 4: licensed by the NBA and then they would do four
• 31:30
  Speaker 4: on the European model of promotion relegation, right, you could
• 31:34
  Speaker 4: earn your way up and down NBA Europe, Yeah, up.
• 31:37
  Speaker 5: And down based on your what you reckon the year before.
• 31:41
  Speaker 5: So it's an incentive right now. Let's put it in
• 31:43
  Speaker 5: context also with the possible expansion by the NBA of
• 31:48
  Speaker 5: Las Vegas and Seattle when it does happen, for the
• 31:52
  Speaker 5: privilege for those ownership groups, whoever they are, they're still
• 31:55
  Speaker 5: bidding on there's still I'm sure bidding on it. It's
• 31:57
  Speaker 5: going to cost roughly a billion dollars for the expansion fee,
• 32:03
  Speaker 5: and it will cost for operation operation of budget roughly
• 32:09
  Speaker 5: between seven and nine billion dollars to get the whole
• 32:14
  Speaker 5: operation up. So we're talking basically roughly eight to ten
• 32:18
  Speaker 5: billion dollars shown for an expansion team to be an operation.
• 32:23
  Speaker 5: So I know there's a lot of billionaires, usually in
• 32:26
  Speaker 5: Northern California with a venture capitalist about a whole.
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: Bunch of money.
• 32:32
  Speaker 3: There's a lot of dough, a.
• 32:33
  Speaker 5: Lot of money, and that just shows you the power
• 32:35
  Speaker 5: of sports. And again it's all driven by media rights.
• 32:38
  Speaker 5: Everything is based on broadcasting partners and that's the catchword,
• 32:43
  Speaker 5: the partners of what they're willing to pay for live programming.
• 32:47
  Speaker 5: And now it's obviously the streaming services everybody's involved in
• 32:50
  Speaker 5: trying especially and as great as the NBA is as
• 32:53
  Speaker 5: far as viewing it, the NBA is really second fiddle
• 32:58
  Speaker 5: to the NFL because the NFL is absolutely incredible rules
• 33:03
  Speaker 5: as far as television and Sean, what what is Tony
• 33:08
  Speaker 5: Roma thinking?
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: Sean, Tony Roma, what is he thinking?
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: It's an unfortunate situation, right.
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: I know, what what was it? What's he thinking? I know?
• 33:18
  Speaker 5: So CBS will make a tough decision about his future.
• 33:22
  Speaker 5: I'm sure to show between now and the first game,
• 33:24
  Speaker 5: which is right roughly what six weeks from now.
• 33:27
  Speaker 4: The plan for now is that JJ Watt is going
• 33:29
  Speaker 4: to be going to take his spot, yeah on those
• 33:31
  Speaker 4: broadcasts for now for now, so we'll see. Yeah, if
• 33:36
  Speaker 4: you want to buy into NBA Paris, NBA Milan, NBA London,
• 33:41
  Speaker 4: just you know, Madrid, Madrid, flip the flip the couch
• 33:44
  Speaker 4: over and uh see if you can find a billion
• 33:47
  Speaker 4: bucks or so in the cushions.
• 33:48
  Speaker 5: And speaking of couch right now shown also the couch
• 33:51
  Speaker 5: though next week is going to be in Springfield, Massachusetts,
• 33:55
  Speaker 5: which is the home of the of of basketball, the birthplace.
• 33:59
  Speaker 3: The Basketball Hall of Fame.
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 34:01
  Speaker 5: So here's the twenty twenty six Nasmiths Hall of Fame inductees.
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: I just gave you some of them.
• 34:07
  Speaker 5: And it's next Friday, August fourteenth and Saturday August fifteenth.
• 34:11
  Speaker 5: Amaras Stodemeyer is being adducted. Six time All Star and
• 34:15
  Speaker 5: the presenter's going to be Grand Hell and Steve Nash,
• 34:19
  Speaker 5: and the presenters is somebody ready in the NBA that
• 34:23
  Speaker 5: it's in the Hall of Fame. So two former teammates
• 34:27
  Speaker 5: are going to present him. Next guy Mike D'Antoni, two
• 34:30
  Speaker 5: time NBA Coach of the Year. He is going to
• 34:34
  Speaker 5: be presented by, also by Steve Nash and Bob McAdoo.
• 34:40
  Speaker 5: Doc Rivers, longtime NBA coach and the sixth winning coach
• 34:45
  Speaker 5: of all time with one thousand one of ninety five victories.
• 34:50
  Speaker 5: He's going to be presented by Kevin Garnett and Paul
• 34:55
  Speaker 5: Pierce mark Few, the longtime great head coach of the
• 34:59
  Speaker 5: Gonzaga Bulldogs. He's gonna be presented by John Calipari and
• 35:04
  Speaker 5: John Stockton. Oh wow, yeah, interesting. And then this is
• 35:08
  Speaker 5: my favorite Sean who said that I don't like referees.
• 35:12
  Speaker 5: Who said that over the years, that Gordy Chaser and
• 35:15
  Speaker 5: Jerry Sloan and Phil Johnson, all the Jazz coaches didn't
• 35:19
  Speaker 5: like referees.
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: Well, here we go.
• 35:21
  Speaker 5: We love this guy showing me if I say his name.
• 35:23
  Speaker 5: This guy was fearless in playoff games where he controlled
• 35:28
  Speaker 5: the game and more importantly, he let the players be stars.
• 35:32
  Speaker 5: He didn't call any cheap fouls in a playoff game,
• 35:35
  Speaker 5: because in playoff games you call a foul on every
• 35:38
  Speaker 5: possession of every down the floor. I'm talking about Joey Croffin,
• 35:44
  Speaker 5: legendary referee for thirty nine years. He was involved in
• 35:48
  Speaker 5: so many Jazz playoff games. He's being presented by Danny
• 35:52
  Speaker 5: Crofford no relation, and by Rod Thorn. And in the
• 35:56
  Speaker 5: last one is Candace Parker from who is a two
• 35:59
  Speaker 5: time w NBA All Star MVP who's now a NBC
• 36:05
  Speaker 5: Peacock analyst. Does a great job. She's She's been presented
• 36:09
  Speaker 5: by Alan Iverson. He's presenting Kennas and Cheryl Miller, who's
• 36:15
  Speaker 5: Reggie Miller's older sister. And Reggielways talks about all the
• 36:19
  Speaker 5: time and he was growing up the sister used the
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  Speaker 5: He said he got tough based on his sister. So
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  Speaker 5: that's going to be that some of the people inducted.
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  Speaker 5: What about in jazz yesteryear, there's five jazz people that
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  Speaker 5: are in the NBA there the Hall of Fame meeting Natesmith.
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  Speaker 5: They are Pete Marrabage inducted in nineteen eighty seven, John
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  Speaker 5: thousand and nine, Adrian Dentley in two thousand and eight,
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  Speaker 5: former Great Jazz president, j manager and head coach and
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  Speaker 5: really the prime driver of Utah Jazz basketball. Frank lab
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  Speaker 5: was deducted in Hall of Fame and twenty fifteen as
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  Speaker 3: Time to get some more in the Hall of Fame.
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  Speaker 4: Let's go does young crop of fellas Darren Peterson, Larry Marketing.
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  Speaker 5: They have enough again, Face Bailey, they have enough talent
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  Speaker 5: again So the question is show is always is you
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  Speaker 5: have talent which is commendable, and now the question is
• 37:41
  Speaker 5: can you help a team win and do great things
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  Speaker 5: in playoffs because your legacy is based on playoff sports.
• 37:49
  Speaker 4: Is it harder now to get into the Hall of
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  Speaker 4: Fame or easier because you're compared to everyone who's already
• 37:57
  Speaker 4: in the Hall of Fame. Now, back in the day,
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  Speaker 4: you didn't have to have some of the gaudy points,
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  Speaker 4: totals and things like that. So what would you say,
• 38:05
  Speaker 4: is it harder to get in now or is it
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  Speaker 4: easier to get in now than.
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  Speaker 3: Let's say, thirty years ago.
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  Speaker 1: Harder?
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  Speaker 5: Okay, but in baseball is the ultimate hard to get
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  Speaker 5: in baseball a guy is incredible these numbers and they
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  Speaker 5: only picked the three or four guys a year. It's
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  Speaker 5: the most amazing. I feel bad for the baseball players.
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  Speaker 4: You could be a multiple time league MVP Dale Murphy
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  Speaker 4: and not get into the Baseball Hall of Fame.
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  Speaker 3: You know, dumb, that is correct. That is so stupid.
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  Speaker 1: You got it.
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  Speaker 5: And the reason why because baseball baseball writers they're so
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  Speaker 5: old school and again in a bad way, that they
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  Speaker 5: don't they nitpick if a guy didn't talk to him
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  Speaker 5: in the locker room for three years, and they won't
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  Speaker 5: vote for him forty years later. They still have a grudge,
• 38:56
  Speaker 5: which is absolutely juvenile and ado less since and get
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  Speaker 5: ridd of these guys then, Meaning what the writers.
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  Speaker 4: It's wild when you look at the Pro Football Hall
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  Speaker 4: of Fame too, the standard, how much the standard has
• 39:08
  Speaker 4: shifted and changed over the years. Right, there's quarterbacks. I mean,
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  Speaker 4: Joe Namath is the most famous one. Joe Namath threw
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  Speaker 4: more interceptions and touchdowns and he's in the Hall of
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  Speaker 4: Fame like you can't you can't even sniff like a
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  Speaker 4: franchise Ring of Honor for those kind of numbers anymore.
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  Speaker 4: But but Joe, he belongs in there because you can't
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  Speaker 4: tell the story of the NFL without Joe Namath.
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  Speaker 1: Either, So way much what is.
• 39:37
  Speaker 4: The what is the criteria for getting into a Hall
• 39:39
  Speaker 4: of Fame? For me, it's can you go year by
• 39:42
  Speaker 4: year and tell the story of the league without mentioning
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  Speaker 4: that guy's name. If the answer is no, he has
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  Speaker 4: to be in the Hall of Fame.
• 39:49
  Speaker 5: And do you realize that Joe Namath in the nineteen
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  Speaker 5: sixty nine Super Bowl and the fourth quarter Sewan didn't
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  Speaker 5: throw a pass the whole quarter. Wow Sean. He gave
• 40:01
  Speaker 5: the ball to Emerson Boozer and Matt Snell. Joe name
• 40:04
  Speaker 5: it did not throw a pass in the Super Bowl
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  Speaker 5: game in the fourth quarter. Talk about ultimate ball control.
• 40:09
  Speaker 5: And the next thing about Joe Montana never threw a
• 40:12
  Speaker 5: deception in the Super Bowl game. Never Joe Montana Sewan,
• 40:16
  Speaker 5: which we know is almost impossible to do. Unbelieva the defense,
• 40:20
  Speaker 5: how great it is that level? So Joe Willie also
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  Speaker 5: shown he got banned by the NBA for owning a
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  Speaker 4: Gordy Chiasa, you tease me and James, you said, I
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  Speaker 4: got a great.
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  Speaker 5: List for you guys today, very much. This list today
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  Speaker 5: is summertime movies, all right. So this is a selective
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  Speaker 5: top ten basketball movies. And later I'm going to ask
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  Speaker 5: Sean and James about what are their favorite all time
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  Speaker 5: sports movies.
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  Speaker 3: All right.
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  Speaker 5: This is basketball number ten, Space Jam Michael Jordan playing himself.
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  Speaker 5: You remember the theme song I Believe I Can Fly? Yes, absolutely,
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  Speaker 5: It was a great song by the now disgraced R.
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  Speaker 3: Kelly. But great song, very much.
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  Speaker 5: Number nine Hoop Dreams William Gates and author ag about
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  Speaker 5: two kids from Chicago that travel ninety minutes to commute
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  Speaker 5: every day to go to a Catholic high school to
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  Speaker 5: try to try to get a better life for themselves
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  Speaker 5: and play college basketball.
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  Speaker 4: This is before thirty for thirty, This is before I'm told,
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  Speaker 4: this is before all of those like series of documentaries.
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  Speaker 4: It was like one of the first really high quality
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  Speaker 4: examinations of that behind the scenes, sort of gritty look
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  Speaker 4: at what it takes to succeed love Hoop Dreams.
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  Speaker 5: I was nineteen ninety four, all Right, Number eight, The
• 45:18
  Speaker 5: Fish That Saved Pittsburgh a comedy in nineteen seventy nine
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  Speaker 5: starring Julius Irving and Jonathan Winters, and it was about
• 45:26
  Speaker 5: about comedy about doctor j and John a comedian, and
• 45:31
  Speaker 5: they were all the different things, the highjinks they did
• 45:33
  Speaker 5: as far as doing it next to one A seven
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  Speaker 5: to Get Paris nineteen ninety five, romanct In comedy about
• 45:40
  Speaker 5: a life of an NBA referee starring Billy Crystal and
• 45:44
  Speaker 5: his love interest was Debret Winger. Number six in my
• 45:48
  Speaker 5: estimation Glory Road two thousand and six, starring Josh Lucas
• 45:54
  Speaker 5: playing head coach Don Haskins. True story drummer about the
• 45:58
  Speaker 5: nineteen sixty six Texas Western NCAA Championships which is now
• 46:03
  Speaker 5: Texas Ol Pass though that was the situation where that
• 46:08
  Speaker 5: five African American players started for the first time ever
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  Speaker 5: in an NCAA game, and they were the ones that
• 46:17
  Speaker 5: really truly were the first ones ever to do that,
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  Speaker 5: and it really changed the society as far as looking
• 46:24
  Speaker 5: at about different lenses about college basketball. Number five All
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  Speaker 5: Time Coach Carter two thousand and five starring Samuel L. Jackson,
• 46:32
  Speaker 5: a true story about a high school coach in Richmond, California.
• 46:37
  Speaker 5: Number four Hoo'sius nineteen eighty six drama starring the late
• 46:42
  Speaker 5: great Gene Hackman and also Dennis Hopper, about a high
• 46:46
  Speaker 5: school coach in Hickory, Hickory, Indiana, about winning the state championship.
• 46:52
  Speaker 5: Number three All Time He Got Game drama nineteen ninety eight,
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  Speaker 5: Denzel Washington with Ray Allen and Denzel playing Ray's father
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  Speaker 5: at Jake Shuttleworth and Raped starring as Jesus Shuttleworth. Number
• 47:08
  Speaker 5: two All Time nineteen ninety four. Blue Chips starring Nick Nolty,
• 47:14
  Speaker 5: also Young Shaquille O'Neill and Penny Hardaway about high school
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  Speaker 5: recruiting and sean my number one basketball movie of all time.
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  Speaker 1: It's a comedy. White Man Can't Jump.
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  Speaker 3: It's a great movie.
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  Speaker 5: By Wesley Snipes and Woody Harrelson. The love interest was
• 47:31
  Speaker 5: Tyra Farrell and Rosie Perez, where both Wesley and Woody Harrelson.
• 47:36
  Speaker 5: There were two basketball hustlers, trash talking, making trying to
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  Speaker 5: pick up games to make money. Thus that's my list
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  Speaker 5: of today of the ten, in my opinion, greatest ever
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  Speaker 5: basketball movies. But Sean, I have a question for you
• 47:51
  Speaker 5: and James, tell me some of your greatest sports movies.
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  Speaker 1: Of all time.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, Friday Night Lights amazing, Rudy amazing, even though all
• 48:01
  Speaker 4: of those articles have come out and told you that
• 48:04
  Speaker 4: it's not accurate at all and that Rudy was actually
• 48:07
  Speaker 4: kind of a whatever, Still a very inspiring, an incredible movie.
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  Speaker 4: Any given Sunday. Awesome movie the program. Did you guys
• 48:17
  Speaker 4: ever watch the program? But basically a fictional Florida State University?
• 48:21
  Speaker 4: Gotta watch it? Really really excellent, Uh, because I'm in
• 48:26
  Speaker 4: the combat sports world. Cinderella Man Awesome, All the Rockies Awesome, Warrior,
• 48:35
  Speaker 4: the one with with Tom Hardy, the brothers that are
• 48:40
  Speaker 4: reunited through an MMA tournament actually really really good. It's
• 48:43
  Speaker 4: the only MMA movie that's been well done. They've tried
• 48:46
  Speaker 4: a few of them. You didn't like Never back Down
• 48:48
  Speaker 4: and Never Back Down. Shout out to Never Back Down
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  Speaker 4: for going straight to red Box with all of its sequels.
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  Speaker 1: Redox. I love it.
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  Speaker 3: But no, uh, those are Those are a couple of
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  Speaker 3: examples for me.
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  Speaker 5: What did out Raging Bull? Raging Bull's so good? Robert
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  Speaker 5: den Arrow nineteen eighty.
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  Speaker 3: Field the Dreams Love Feel the Dreams bit.
• 49:07
  Speaker 4: I have played baseball in Dyersville, Iowa, on the Field
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  Speaker 4: of Dreams before it became like a big sports complex.
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  Speaker 3: Dragging camp going. Yeah, that's awesome.
• 49:16
  Speaker 4: I was probably seven years old. My parents are both
• 49:20
  Speaker 4: from Iowa. So how about The Natural The Natural so good?
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  Speaker 3: Love the Natural? Uh? Perfect?
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  Speaker 6: Or for the Love of the Game, a good Kevin
• 49:30
  Speaker 6: Costner movie. I wrote down a bunch here. As a kid,
• 49:36
  Speaker 6: I loved the Mighty Ducks movies and also a kid Airbud.
• 49:41
  Speaker 6: Those are all kids cric kids centric, but they don't
• 49:46
  Speaker 6: belong on the on these lists. But but as far
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  Speaker 6: as kids movie sports movies go amazing. Also Space Jam
• 49:51
  Speaker 6: that you mentioned Gordy Remember the Titan.
• 49:54
  Speaker 3: Remember the Titans so so good.
• 49:56
  Speaker 6: I love that you mentioned Cinderella Man next to Rocky.
• 49:59
  Speaker 6: I think the best boxing movie that that's ever been made.
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  Speaker 6: How about Air Up There Kevin Bacon basketball movie. Yes,
• 50:08
  Speaker 6: about recruiting the huge African guy to play at his
• 50:12
  Speaker 6: small college. Absolutely, and he learns about tribal customs and
• 50:16
  Speaker 6: they have to win a game. Basically, he has to
• 50:19
  Speaker 6: play a game to let them take him to the
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  Speaker 6: United States.
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  Speaker 3: A great, great movie. What was the one?
• 50:24
  Speaker 4: The recent one Netflix movie Adam Sandler. Uh was about
• 50:30
  Speaker 4: European scout.
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  Speaker 3: I still haven't watched that. Actually really good, but former.
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  Speaker 6: Jazz man Wancho hern and Gomez in that right, it
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  Speaker 6: did a great job.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 50:41
  Speaker 4: Uh. Category for versus Ferrari, the newer ones, the racing movies,
• 50:47
  Speaker 4: Days of Thunder. They're doing a sequel. By the way,
• 50:49
  Speaker 4: Days of Thunder is awesome. The racing ones. You can
• 50:51
  Speaker 4: get some really great racing movies. I like racing movies
• 50:54
  Speaker 4: more than I like watching racing. I feel the same
• 50:56
  Speaker 4: way about horse racing.
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  Speaker 3: Good.
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  Speaker 6: There's been some great horse racing movies. Don't really care
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  Speaker 6: to watch horse race.
• 51:03
  Speaker 5: I changed se What about quickly? About your iconic movies
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  Speaker 5: of all time? Like no crit Cherry, but iconic.
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  Speaker 4: Braveheart is the best movie in the history of the planet.
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  Speaker 4: Number one, and then there's a pretty significant gap.
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  Speaker 5: For me.
• 51:17
  Speaker 4: Man on Fire is my second favorite movie starring Denzel Washington.
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  Speaker 4: I love that movie. Shout out to the late Great
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  Speaker 4: Scott the director. Ridley Scott's brother directed that movie. He
• 51:30
  Speaker 4: also directed Days of Thunder If I'm not Mistaken, Love Me,
• 51:34
  Speaker 4: Forrest Gump, Okay, Gladiator, The Lion King, Lion King five.
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  Speaker 6: All right, this is just totally different category of the
• 51:44
  Speaker 6: rest of your TI.
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  Speaker 3: That's amazing.
• 51:47
  Speaker 6: No category, I have one other tongue in cheeks sports movie,
• 51:50
  Speaker 6: nic Tale.
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  Speaker 3: No, it's the Joustick movie.
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: It's my movie.
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  Speaker 4: Iconic Okay, Gordy's list of iconic Fie The Dark Knight,
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  Speaker 4: awesome movie. Right, yep, we love some Christopher Nolan, right, exactly,
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  Speaker 4: great director.
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  Speaker 6: Drew movie, all right, very very much, Next Nights Tale,
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  Speaker 6: and also Christian Bale all right, Oppenheimer recently twenty twenty three,
• 52:15
  Speaker 6: that was really good, Pulp Fiction nineteen ninety four, Okay, seven,
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  Speaker 6: Prying Ryan nineteen ninety eight, and number one, The Godfather
• 52:25
  Speaker 6: nineteen seventy two.
• 52:27
  Speaker 5: He's the last category because show I know, shown you
• 52:29
  Speaker 5: a romantic got hot you and James, what is your
• 52:32
  Speaker 5: favorite romantic comedy?
• 52:34
  Speaker 3: Love Actually? Okay, you guys know, Love Actually? Christmas movie? Yeah,
• 52:39
  Speaker 3: I watched that movie every single year. Love it.
• 52:43
  Speaker 4: It's a It's a great holiday movie. And a great
• 52:46
  Speaker 4: romantic comedy. Also The Holiday.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, very good.
• 52:49
  Speaker 6: Knew that was coming to once you said great holiday movie,
• 52:52
  Speaker 6: which I agree with you on the Holiday. I'm not
• 52:55
  Speaker 6: as big a fan of love.
• 52:56
  Speaker 1: Actual I love How are You?
• 52:58
  Speaker 3: James rom Ca a recent one, The Other Woman is hilarious.
• 53:04
  Speaker 3: I haven't seen it. You should. Okay, it's all right.
• 53:08
  Speaker 6: One of the hardest, like hardest I've laughed in theater
• 53:10
  Speaker 6: at a at a rom com.
• 53:12
  Speaker 3: Okay, what about you?
• 53:14
  Speaker 5: I'm going to go to school nineteen ninety three with
• 53:19
  Speaker 5: Meg Ryan and Tom Hanks.
• 53:21
  Speaker 3: Sleepless in Seattle. Yeah, correct, the Great Male which one?
• 53:25
  Speaker 5: Yeah, they were both both. So this is this is
• 53:29
  Speaker 5: a last show, Sean and I of the year. And
• 53:32
  Speaker 5: I wanted to this summer time, and I wanted to
• 53:35
  Speaker 5: bring out the movies. And there's no right or wrong,
• 53:38
  Speaker 5: but it's really movies are such an important factor in
• 53:41
  Speaker 5: our society and shown. I'm so glad that you love
• 53:46
  Speaker 5: romantic comedies.
• 53:47
  Speaker 3: I do. I actually love romantic comedies.
• 53:50
  Speaker 6: Well, we're both in the Pitch Perfect too, which is
• 53:52
  Speaker 6: kind of a rom com. Hitch is also a good
• 53:56
  Speaker 6: rom com. Yes, Gordy, just a movie recommd for you.
• 54:00
  Speaker 6: If you haven't seen it yet. I recently saw it.
• 54:03
  Speaker 6: I'm late, but I got I got a baby at home,
• 54:05
  Speaker 6: so late. Get into the theaters now the Odyssey saw it.
• 54:08
  Speaker 6: It's incredible. I haven't seen it yet.
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: I will this weekend with Chris Nolan director.
• 54:13
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Gordy's gonna go see The Odyssey this weekend. I've
• 54:17
  Speaker 4: still got to find a time. I gotta go see it.
• 54:19
  Speaker 4: I've been looking forward to the release and now it's
• 54:22
  Speaker 4: old news. I'm gonna get spoilers. No spoilers for the Odyssey.
• 54:27
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 54:27
  Speaker 6: I don't want to sell see anything about the story,
• 54:30
  Speaker 6: this news story.
• 54:33
  Speaker 4: I want no plot points revealed on the thousand year
• 54:35
  Speaker 4: old story that we've all seen adapted many times.
• 54:38
  Speaker 3: Okay, Gordy, love you man, thanks for being here.
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: Thanks Sean, peace out.
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