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Patriots Unfiltered 11/26: Dolphins Recap, Colts Preview, Tuesday Practice Report · Patriots Unfiltered

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  Speaker 3: And they get Albert Breer and he's still calling around
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  Speaker 3: the league asking now people to evaluate Alex van Pel.
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  Speaker 3: It's like, get off of it. We don't need outside
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  Speaker 3: people evaluating Alice Van Pel. We can do that right here.
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  Speaker 3: That's what's passionate rant Okay.
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  Speaker 4: The things he gets passionate about it.
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  Speaker 3: Sometimes No, it's just it's just just get off of it.
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  Speaker 4: I think that's relevant.
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  Speaker 3: But they don't know anything more than we know. All
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  Speaker 3: they know is what they know.
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  Speaker 4: But they're giving you an unbiased view. No one really
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  Speaker 4: cares what Paul Perillo thinks of how they I know.
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  Speaker 3: But that's my point is that's all they can tell them.
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  Speaker 3: They can't give him any insight what offensive QUI or
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  Speaker 3: he doesn't want to keep their quarterback out of third
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  Speaker 3: and long situations. Oh, we love it here in Seattle.
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  Speaker 4: It's ridiculous, like you're being an andy like now.
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  Speaker 3: But that's what they said. Alex looks on, probably in
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  Speaker 3: complete bewilderment of them arguing, arguing in agreement.
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  Speaker 5: I feel like when mom and dad are fighting and
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  Speaker 5: they're like wanting you to.
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  Speaker 3: Pick a side.
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  Speaker 6: You were stuck in one of.
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  Speaker 7: Those like when two dogs are fighting each other and
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  Speaker 7: you're like, why jumping them is in the amal too.
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  Speaker 6: It's fun to listen to, but at the same time,
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  Speaker 6: like they're You're like, are they arguing the same thing?
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  Speaker 6: I'm like, I'd get in on this if there was
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  Speaker 6: a side, but I feel like you're both on the
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  Speaker 6: same side.
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  Speaker 3: All right, welcome the Patriots Unfiltered. It is Tuesday here, Joe,
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  Speaker 3: let's stay, but it's really a Wednesday when it comes
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  Speaker 3: carry On.
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  Speaker 6: We're gonna add movie.
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  Speaker 4: Because because Blood flows Red on the Highway, I.
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  Speaker 6: Think we're gonna add movie trailer voice to Fred's.
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  Speaker 4: Red in a World with Jason Bateman.
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  Speaker 3: And then you have to have the music swell some
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  Speaker 3: popular song anyway, all.
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  Speaker 4: Right, Mike, did you like that the lead in there,
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  Speaker 4: the little little promo?
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  Speaker 3: Do you like the argument?
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  Speaker 4: It was kind of like role reversal. Fred was in
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  Speaker 4: the plan and Raven and you were.
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  Speaker 6: That was kind of calm, Well, you weren't doing the
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  Speaker 6: Fred thing and like kind of egging him on a
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  Speaker 6: little bit you weren't throwing some raw meat at the dog.
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  Speaker 4: Because I didn't need to. He kind of opened with that,
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  Speaker 4: and I was like, and I just looked at Alex,
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  Speaker 4: like the things that he gets passionate about.
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  Speaker 3: Let them just let him go, just let him run,
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  Speaker 3: Just leave Alex van pell alone. Anyway, all right, we're back.
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  Speaker 3: It's Paul, it's Deuce, it's me. Evan'll be here later
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  Speaker 3: talking Patriots. And boy, that was a step back. That
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  Speaker 3: was a step back in Drake's game and the team overall.
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  Speaker 3: But you know, that's the way this season is gonna go.
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  Speaker 3: This was a dip. Hopefully they can respond this week
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  Speaker 3: against the Cults. But it was not a good week
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  Speaker 3: for Patriots Nation.
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  Speaker 6: It wasn't. I mean, I said on the post game show,
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  Speaker 6: it was just harder that first third down you faced
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  Speaker 6: and you get the false start, and I don't know
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  Speaker 6: how you guys were, but in my mind, I'm like,
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  Speaker 6: here we go, like this is what it is. This is,
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  Speaker 6: you know, unable to get out of their own way.
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  Speaker 6: I was in the locker room, by the way, we
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  Speaker 6: don't have to play this on that but but Vinarian
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  Speaker 6: Lowe talked and you know, stood up there and you
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  Speaker 6: said it's unacceptable. And you know, there are certain things
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  Speaker 6: that they try to accomplish there during the snap count
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  Speaker 6: on the road, and you know, I think there were
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  Speaker 6: some challenges with that with them in the silent snap.
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  Speaker 6: So he was accountable today in the locker room, and
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  Speaker 6: I know he was one of the main offenders. It's
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  Speaker 6: got to be better. It's got to I mean, and
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  Speaker 6: it was you know, really it's just on me. It's
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  Speaker 6: my it's focus, you know, I mean it. I think
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  Speaker 6: the reporters do give him a little bit of an
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  Speaker 6: out with the questions they asked of like, you know,
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  Speaker 6: you're on the road, it's loud. You know, you're on
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  Speaker 6: a silent count. Is it hard to you know? Yeah,
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  Speaker 6: you know, I mean he wasn't taking like.
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  Speaker 4: The out and make it easy for him.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, but he was. But no, he said, you know,
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  Speaker 6: it's it's his fault. But I mean, I just thought
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  Speaker 6: right from the get go, you had that and the
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  Speaker 6: two tackles were just you know, it was allow the line.
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  Speaker 4: To Mike's point, I'm just like looking, I'm not going
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  Speaker 4: to go like through the whole play by play, but
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  Speaker 4: you know, you get the ball to start the game.
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  Speaker 4: You know, Stevenson one yard, May short pass to Henry
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  Speaker 4: for six yards. Okay, so you have a third and three,
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  Speaker 4: very manageable situation, right, false start penalty of Darien Low.
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  Speaker 4: Third and eight, you get try to throw a quick
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  Speaker 4: little screen pass the Jalen Pope doesn't really even come Clay.
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  Speaker 4: He gets six yards but really didn't threaten the first
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  Speaker 4: down seven yards and they punt next time they get
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  Speaker 4: the ball. Is even more glaring because they actually put
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  Speaker 4: together what I thought was their only semblance of a
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  Speaker 4: drive throughout the entire game. You come in and it's
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  Speaker 4: May scrabbles for six yards, Stevenson for nine yards. Okay,
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  Speaker 4: here we go first and ten. Penalty false start Jacobs
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  Speaker 4: first and fifteen and you get four penalty false start
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  Speaker 4: Darian Low five yards. So it's second and sixteen. Then
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  Speaker 4: this is when Gibson comes in and rips off a
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  Speaker 4: fourteen yard run. You know, third and two. You pick
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  Speaker 4: it up first and ten. Now you're starting to move.
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  Speaker 4: You get I'm gonna fast forward a couple of plays.
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  Speaker 4: You get down to the twenty yard line, you get
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  Speaker 4: a holding call, and on the same play, your tight
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  Speaker 4: end line's up in the neutral zone, the rare offensive
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  Speaker 4: off side, you know.
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  Speaker 6: Way in the new zone.
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  Speaker 4: Here's who four. We're only seeing when it cost kidsas
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  Speaker 4: City that game last year against Buffalo, when Kadarius Tony
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  Speaker 4: did that, Remember on the lateral play that the Chiefs
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  Speaker 4: ran last year, Fritz looking at the glassy eyed but
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  Speaker 4: so like, there's four penalties on one drive. You move
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  Speaker 4: from your own thirteen down to Miami's twenty. You had
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  Speaker 4: a good drive going, and not only that, you were
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  Speaker 4: overcoming a lot of these mistakes until you finally made
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  Speaker 4: one too many and ended up in third and sixteen.
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  Speaker 4: They gave the gate the give up call where they
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  Speaker 4: just ran the draw. Then they kick a field goal.
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  Speaker 4: They missed the field goal, and that was it. Game's over. Fourteen. Like,
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  Speaker 4: you just can't play that way. They're not good enough.
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  Speaker 4: No one's good enough to do that, but particularly when
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  Speaker 4: your offense is still struggling.
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  Speaker 3: And because of that, it's another rough week for the
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  Speaker 3: head coach because the haters, the illuminati are, you know,
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  Speaker 3: saying this is all because of a lack of discipline,
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  Speaker 3: because of a lack of coaching, and you know, in
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  Speaker 3: the past, I can't say that we haven't talked about
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  Speaker 3: other teams in the same way that have these types
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  Speaker 3: of mistakes, So, you know, rightly, so Mayo saying it's
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  Speaker 3: on me and they've got to correct this. So it'll
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  Speaker 3: be all about how they respond this week against the Colts.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, and I kind of thought that they had moved
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  Speaker 4: past this a little bit. This was a huge problem
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  Speaker 4: in the summer. It was a huge problem at the
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  Speaker 4: outside of the season, they were doing this a lot.
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  Speaker 4: I kind of felt like they got away from that
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  Speaker 4: a little bit and had settled down. I'm not telling
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  Speaker 4: you they were mistake free, but they weren't as many
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  Speaker 4: false starts, you know, the really you know, lining up
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  Speaker 4: in the neutral zone. We didn't even talk about the
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  Speaker 4: Infonny Jennings jumping off side when they were clearly running
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  Speaker 4: the clock out at the end of the quarter trying
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  Speaker 4: to get them to jump off side. Yeah, So that
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  Speaker 4: kind of stuff I thought had sort of dissipated over
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  Speaker 4: the last same month. Yeah, but it was back.
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  Speaker 6: Big theme today in the locker room too, was just
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  Speaker 6: the communication on defense, which I thought was you talk
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  Speaker 6: about things that are disappointing, and that to me, you
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  Speaker 6: get to this point in the season, you just expect
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  Speaker 6: I mean you're seeing it, I think with a lot
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  Speaker 6: of teams around the league. When you watch, you know,
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  Speaker 6: some of these games where you see teams are starting
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  Speaker 6: to click a little bit. For some of these teams,
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  Speaker 6: they're starting to play well and to see, you know,
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  Speaker 6: just so many blown coverages. I know Kyle Dugger was
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  Speaker 6: in the crosshirs yesterday. I don't know what's going on
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  Speaker 6: with him. I kind of felt the same way wat.
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  Speaker 6: It just didn't look like he was locked into this game.
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  Speaker 6: Maybe it's the ankle injury, maybe it's something else. But
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  Speaker 6: you know, just their best players, their captains, the guys
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  Speaker 6: that you need, they're not all those guys are stepping up.
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  Speaker 6: And that's you know, Kyle Dugger is somebody that I
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  Speaker 6: know he's battled injuries this year, but a lot of
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  Speaker 6: those guys that they've retained just aren't stepping into these
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  Speaker 6: leadership roles and setting the tone with their you know,
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  Speaker 6: good play and holding guys accountable. They're often the ones
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  Speaker 6: who are leading the way with the mistakes.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I agree.
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  Speaker 3: And here's the thing. Last week, they played a similar
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  Speaker 3: offense in terms of motion and inception and speed, you know,
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  Speaker 3: good good weapons, and you thought oh, maybe they'll be
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  Speaker 3: a little bit more prepared for that this year, this
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  Speaker 3: this week, and it was the opposite. It was like
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  Speaker 3: they got even worse. At the end of the day.
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  Speaker 3: It comes down to the players on the field. They're
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  Speaker 3: not that good on defense. Uh, they don't have a
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  Speaker 3: lot of you know, high end talent. And when you
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  Speaker 3: play a team that stresses you the way Miami or
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  Speaker 3: the Rams do, it forces you into mistakes. It forces
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  Speaker 3: you into miscommunication because you're you're feeling that pressure, uh,
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  Speaker 3: and you're seeing things and you know you're not reacting
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  Speaker 3: well and you don't really have the you know, that
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  Speaker 3: confidence out of your own ability. And I say that
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  Speaker 3: on offense too. You know, you press, you're on the road,
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  Speaker 3: you hear the fans, and you want to get off
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  Speaker 3: the mark quicker to get that little edge, you know,
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  Speaker 3: on on the snap, and you make mistakes over and
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  Speaker 3: over again, and a lot of times it comes from
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  Speaker 3: a lack of confidence in your own ability.
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  Speaker 4: I really think that's a great point about the offensive
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  Speaker 4: lineman and the false starts, because it wasn't always like
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  Speaker 4: oh I thought it was on one, it was on
• 10:44
  Speaker 4: you know, it was on two. It wasn't like that
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  Speaker 4: it was trying to get a jump start on the
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  Speaker 4: snap right. The first one on third, the.
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  Speaker 6: One hard didn't even notice. Really, I mean it was there,
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  Speaker 6: but it was you know, it was close. Brown say this.
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  Speaker 4: It was a clear false start that I've seen let
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  Speaker 4: go periodically when I watch NFL games all the time. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: you know, but that's exactly what it is. That's what
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  Speaker 4: the right tackle guy for Kansas City gets called for
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  Speaker 4: all the time. I forget his name. It's not uh Sum,
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  Speaker 4: IT'SI No, it's not one Ya Morris, it's the other
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  Speaker 4: one I think it gets he gets called for. It's
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  Speaker 4: you're leaving early, you're getting your your You're like you
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  Speaker 4: you're getting your kicked before the snap right, and you're
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  Speaker 4: trying to time it up so it's simultaneous, and he
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  Speaker 4: was early. I mean, it was definitely a false start.
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  Speaker 4: But to Mike's point, I've seen it let go, sure,
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  Speaker 4: and I think you're right, Fred. That's why they do
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  Speaker 4: it because they're not trusting their technique, their ability to
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  Speaker 4: hold up.
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  Speaker 3: The biggest example of that is the NBA. You know
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  Speaker 3: and say, oh, the bad teams. They make a lot
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  Speaker 3: of fouls and a lot of times it's because the
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  Speaker 3: other teams is better and you're reaching and you're you're
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  Speaker 3: out of position and they're faster than you, so you're
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  Speaker 3: committing the fouls because you're just not in the right position.
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  Speaker 3: You know, you know, better teams force you know, lesser
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  Speaker 3: talented teams into mistakes.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, you know what it makes me think of is
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  Speaker 6: when I'm refing a hockey game and there's a team
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  Speaker 6: just has pinned in their zone and the offense is humming,
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  Speaker 6: and you're like, here it comes, here comes a trip,
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  Speaker 6: here comes a hole because one team is overmatched and
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  Speaker 6: they're trying to keep up and they're getting desperate, and
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  Speaker 6: that's when you get sloppy and mistakes.
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  Speaker 3: But you know, to everyone's point that they've been making
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  Speaker 3: and you know, it's the pre snap stuff. You know,
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  Speaker 3: when you're in the heat of the moment and you
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  Speaker 3: hold somebody or you know, that's different. But pre snap
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  Speaker 3: is really is all about focus and just being locked
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  Speaker 3: in and not you know, doing it right, not worrying
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  Speaker 3: about I got to get that extra step. But if
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  Speaker 3: you're if you're having trouble blocking, that's when these mistakes.
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  Speaker 6: Happen, especially in the start of the game. Which it
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  Speaker 6: just it's set the whole tone. And I mean each
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  Speaker 6: progressive penalty got worse and worse, and it just, I
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  Speaker 6: mean it depresses us as we're watching and we're like,
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  Speaker 6: oh my god. But I can imagine as a player,
• 12:58
  Speaker 6: you're like, I mean, I played on a bad football team.
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  Speaker 6: I know when those mistakes start happening and everybody starts
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  Speaker 6: pointing fingers at each other.
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  Speaker 3: And it's we're seeing it with the quarterback too. I
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  Speaker 3: mean we're I'm not surprised of the turnovers. This is
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  Speaker 3: what I expected. I keep the game plan, keep being aggressive.
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  Speaker 3: But he's doing this because he's pressing. He wants to
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  Speaker 3: be the hero.
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  Speaker 4: These two turnovers I absolutely put in mad care. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: I mean it was I don't know, it was either
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  Speaker 4: twenty four or nothing or thirty one. I think it
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  Speaker 4: was twenty four or nothing before any turnovers happened. So
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  Speaker 4: this wasn't This game didn't get out of hand because
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  Speaker 4: of turnovers. The turnovers happened because the game got out
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  Speaker 4: of hand. In my view, I don't think that there's
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  Speaker 4: any way he tries to swim move with the football,
• 13:45
  Speaker 4: you know, fifteen yards behind the line of scrimmage. If
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  Speaker 4: it's seven to seven. Yep, you know he's got he's
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  Speaker 4: got to be feeling I go to make a play here, Yeah, right,
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  Speaker 4: Like we can't just I can't just throw it away
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  Speaker 4: in punt because we just can't live that way. So
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  Speaker 4: I agree with you. That would be my one major
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  Speaker 4: concern is the situation starting to affect Drake May and
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  Speaker 4: now leading to the things that the detractors talk about,
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  Speaker 4: bad habits, trying to do too much, not staying within
• 14:15
  Speaker 4: the you know, the the structure of the offense. You know,
• 14:20
  Speaker 4: it's great to see the fourth down touchdown pass where
• 14:23
  Speaker 4: he runs around and makes a play on share a bill.
• 14:25
  Speaker 4: I mean that was Superman, that was Josh Allen, that
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  Speaker 4: was Patrick Mahome. It's also not sustainable. You can't win
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  Speaker 4: that way.
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  Speaker 3: It's not how you want to live. Back to the
• 14:36
  Speaker 3: offensive line, Gerard was asked a couple times yesterday and today,
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  Speaker 3: will there be changes on the offensive line. You didn't
• 14:44
  Speaker 3: say no. Yeah, you didn't say no. So I'm assuming
• 14:48
  Speaker 3: that we'll probably see some I don't know what they're
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  Speaker 3: gonna do it left tackle, but you could see maybe
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  Speaker 3: a Caleb Wallace out there maybe.
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  Speaker 4: Or doesn't sound it, no, what about like he's ready?
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  Speaker 3: What about Robinson?
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  Speaker 4: Robinson's a guard.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, but like, could we see him in there not
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  Speaker 3: a tackle?
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  Speaker 8: No?
• 15:08
  Speaker 6: Maybe I wouldn't rule it out. You could put him back.
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  Speaker 4: In that guard and move a went back out at tackle.
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  Speaker 4: I don't really think that solves your problem. Yeh, but yeah,
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  Speaker 4: I mean I think I think anything is in place.
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  Speaker 4: City so played a little tackle last week.
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  Speaker 6: I think that's it.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, you try to use him.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, theoretically your third tackle is Mike and when
• 15:26
  Speaker 6: you so, if you're gonna have to make a switch
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  Speaker 6: to your next tackle up, it's all now going to
• 15:30
  Speaker 6: cause all this rejiggering along the offensive line. I'd like
• 15:33
  Speaker 6: to see Leyden Robinson just get in a left guard.
• 15:35
  Speaker 6: I think we've seen Michael Jordan struggle this whole season.
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  Speaker 4: Have you seen anything see I actually think Jordan has
• 15:41
  Speaker 4: been there, if not the best, the second best lineman
• 15:44
  Speaker 4: they have. Now I think he's been going down, I
• 15:50
  Speaker 4: don't know, decreasing or whatever. I think his performance has
• 15:54
  Speaker 4: dropped off recently. But do you have you seen anything
• 15:59
  Speaker 4: that Leyden Robinson Like? They've decided that he can't play
• 16:02
  Speaker 4: the left side, he can only play the right.
• 16:03
  Speaker 6: No, And actually Scott Peters has asked about that last
• 16:06
  Speaker 6: week on Friday when we talked to the coaches, and
• 16:08
  Speaker 6: he said, yeah, we're trying to get him involved. He
• 16:10
  Speaker 6: didn't explicitly say it, but it does sound like he
• 16:12
  Speaker 6: can play on the left side.
• 16:13
  Speaker 4: But you're right, because we got an question in the
• 16:15
  Speaker 4: mail bag this week that someone said, well, I saw
• 16:17
  Speaker 4: a blurb that he can't play the left side, and
• 16:19
  Speaker 4: I was like, I didn't. No, I'm not in the
• 16:22
  Speaker 4: locker room like you guys every day, so I didn't
• 16:24
  Speaker 4: see that.
• 16:25
  Speaker 6: I mean, it's it's all kind of conjecture at this
• 16:27
  Speaker 6: point with him. But I think that's a move that
• 16:29
  Speaker 6: I'd like to see, just to get to give the
• 16:30
  Speaker 6: rookie some chances I think he.
• 16:32
  Speaker 4: Needs to do.
• 16:33
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean he put him in that that group
• 16:35
  Speaker 6: just with Jordan. I mean there was like one of
• 16:37
  Speaker 6: the side he just struggles with the stunts, like he
• 16:39
  Speaker 6: just locks onto his guy and walks him right into
• 16:41
  Speaker 6: the left tackle and then here comes the looper and
• 16:43
  Speaker 6: he comes right in. And that's I've been seeing that happen.
• 16:45
  Speaker 4: Ben Brown has not handled one of those interior tackle
• 16:48
  Speaker 4: end stunts. Well, again, this is not a Ben Brown thing.
• 16:53
  Speaker 4: This is not a Tray Jacobs thing. These guys are
• 16:57
  Speaker 4: being asked to do something that they're probably not ready
• 17:00
  Speaker 4: or capable of doing. And I don't think anybody is
• 17:03
  Speaker 4: failing on a lack of effort or anything like that.
• 17:06
  Speaker 4: So I just think they need better players up front.
• 17:08
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I'd love to see Wallace come back at some point.
• 17:11
  Speaker 6: I mean anything Mayo, I wasn't a Mayo, but you
• 17:12
  Speaker 6: said I think he did to Mayo today, not this week,
• 17:15
  Speaker 6: not this week.
• 17:15
  Speaker 4: But I think he said not this week. I think.
• 17:17
  Speaker 4: I mean, sometimes I can't hear the questions. I think
• 17:20
  Speaker 4: that was a question about Wallace. Maybe it was about
• 17:22
  Speaker 4: someone else. It's I mean, it's for getting and he has.
• 17:25
  Speaker 6: Four games, so what I mean, what's it?
• 17:27
  Speaker 4: I mean he's getting.
• 17:28
  Speaker 6: Maybe you can hold out hope that he's gonna get
• 17:31
  Speaker 6: back after the bye week, be ready to go almost
• 17:33
  Speaker 6: right out of the gate and play four final games,
• 17:36
  Speaker 6: but even that's hard to you know, really, I mean,
• 17:38
  Speaker 6: they're gonna have questions at right tack.
• 17:40
  Speaker 4: And he's been out a while now, so even if
• 17:41
  Speaker 4: he was out there today, you know, we'll find out
• 17:43
  Speaker 4: what Evan gets here. If he was out there at
• 17:45
  Speaker 4: practice today. Can he be activated this week and be
• 17:49
  Speaker 4: ready to play? Yet probably be asking a lot like
• 17:51
  Speaker 4: cool Strange has been out for a long time. He
• 17:54
  Speaker 4: obviously needed at least two weeks. We'll see if he's
• 17:57
  Speaker 4: activated this week.
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: So, Mike, you were in the locker room, I was
• 18:02
  Speaker 3: what else.
• 18:02
  Speaker 4: Was going on?
• 18:03
  Speaker 6: Well, ja Bill Peppers spoke, he stepped into the mics.
• 18:06
  Speaker 6: You know, it didn't say anything about his legal situation,
• 18:08
  Speaker 6: on the advice of his lawyer, so, you know, just
• 18:11
  Speaker 6: kind of general glad to be back in the in
• 18:13
  Speaker 6: the room. He could take it day by day. It
• 18:16
  Speaker 6: does sound like he'll be out there in the bubble
• 18:18
  Speaker 6: today for practice, So I don't know, I mean, there's
• 18:21
  Speaker 6: just been a lot of.
• 18:23
  Speaker 4: I should also question today's practices. Gonna be a walk through.
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well in the bubble.
• 18:27
  Speaker 4: In the bubble that we understand, So they might be
• 18:30
  Speaker 4: got like Kayden Wallace might be out there. It might
• 18:31
  Speaker 4: not necessarily mean right, he's back.
• 18:34
  Speaker 6: Might be watching. So, yeah, we hear from him. We
• 18:37
  Speaker 6: hear from Gonzo as well, not you know, not a
• 18:39
  Speaker 6: lot to say with Gonzo, but I you know, you
• 18:41
  Speaker 6: can just tell. I mean, I thought, what summed it
• 18:43
  Speaker 6: up for me today was Jonathan Jones, and one of
• 18:46
  Speaker 6: the questions was just like are you sick of Like
• 18:49
  Speaker 6: is this hard? Like going through this? And Jonathan Jones
• 18:51
  Speaker 6: was like, yeah, honestly, it's it's hard to lose. And
• 18:53
  Speaker 6: this is you know, why you pour everything into this
• 18:56
  Speaker 6: is to win games, and we haven't done that yet.
• 18:59
  Speaker 6: And you know, the theme from him just was kind
• 19:01
  Speaker 6: of related to what we said about the defense. Just
• 19:04
  Speaker 6: guys aren't locked in. Guys aren't locked in on the game.
• 19:06
  Speaker 6: They're not on every single detail, and you know, to
• 19:10
  Speaker 6: be honest, I feel like that's kind of what we've
• 19:11
  Speaker 6: seen the last couple of years around here. Like you know,
• 19:13
  Speaker 6: before everyone piles on this coaching staff about things like
• 19:17
  Speaker 6: I didn't see a lot of improvement last year. I
• 19:19
  Speaker 6: saw a lot of the same mistakes happening right through
• 19:21
  Speaker 6: the end. They were able to squeeze out a couple
• 19:23
  Speaker 6: of games at the end, but I just think this
• 19:25
  Speaker 6: is the sign of a team that doesn't have it
• 19:27
  Speaker 6: this year and isn't going to come together and they're
• 19:30
  Speaker 6: not on all their details and they're not locked in,
• 19:32
  Speaker 6: and you know, as you fall farther out of the
• 19:34
  Speaker 6: you know, relevance in terms of the playoffs. I think
• 19:37
  Speaker 6: it's it's harder to ask that out of your team.
• 19:38
  Speaker 6: I'm sure you.
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: Guys saw Patriots still respect I mean.
• 19:42
  Speaker 6: I'm sure you guys saw Patriots teams where it's twelve wins,
• 19:46
  Speaker 6: it's thirteen wins, and they are getting better and better
• 19:49
  Speaker 6: because they know they have an opportunity to have home
• 19:51
  Speaker 6: field advantage, and they're in the mix, and they're holding
• 19:54
  Speaker 6: each other accountable because they want, you know, and so
• 19:56
  Speaker 6: I think those things snowball. But the snowball goes in
• 19:59
  Speaker 6: both directions. When you're out of this, it.
• 20:00
  Speaker 3: Says something that I wonder if it's occurring, and it
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: is they hold each other accountable. The self policing of.
• 20:09
  Speaker 4: The locker room.
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, we've heard Dante said in the past
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: he knew that they had a good team when the
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: locker room started to police itself. And you wonder, who
• 20:19
  Speaker 3: are the guys right now that are holding the other
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: guys accountable. Who are the policemen in the locker room.
• 20:27
  Speaker 3: I don't know the answer to that. No, I don't
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: know if there is an answer to that.
• 20:31
  Speaker 6: And I think your policemen are usually kind of scary guys,
• 20:34
  Speaker 6: right like William McGinn, Guys credibility.
• 20:38
  Speaker 3: That you you know, Okay, I'm going to listen to
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: this guy because he knows what he's talking about.
• 20:42
  Speaker 6: So it gets harder, you know, it gets harder.
• 20:44
  Speaker 4: And I agree with Mike's point, you know, and we're
• 20:46
  Speaker 4: not trying to be critical of, you know, the Belichick regime,
• 20:49
  Speaker 4: but it was very similar to It was different but
• 20:53
  Speaker 4: similar Like last year, I think they weren't really heavily penalized,
• 20:56
  Speaker 4: but you saw similar kind of performances with breakdowns in
• 21:01
  Speaker 4: key spots, you know, defensively when they played against quality opponents,
• 21:05
  Speaker 4: and you know, you get like these weird plays that
• 21:10
  Speaker 4: would happen every once in a while, and you just
• 21:12
  Speaker 4: like the things that prevent you from winning. This year,
• 21:15
  Speaker 4: it's a lot of just really correctable stuff, like the
• 21:18
  Speaker 4: pre snap penalties that have been a periodic problem all year,
• 21:22
  Speaker 4: going back to the summer. So it's been just similar
• 21:26
  Speaker 4: kind of a lack of discipline and lack of talent,
• 21:30
  Speaker 4: but it's sort of unfolding and manifested.
• 21:32
  Speaker 6: I'd also just you know, throw the end of game
• 21:34
  Speaker 6: with the Raiders a couple of years ago, as you know,
• 21:36
  Speaker 6: it's it's just an example of a team that's like
• 21:38
  Speaker 6: just so trying to do too much and so in
• 21:41
  Speaker 6: their own heads that they just start making stupid mistakes
• 21:44
  Speaker 6: and doing things that you know, usually those kind of
• 21:46
  Speaker 6: teams wouldn't do.
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: Do your job. Just do your job.
• 21:50
  Speaker 6: Just that simple. If only it was that easy.
• 21:53
  Speaker 4: So what was the you know, you always ask us
• 21:55
  Speaker 4: what the mood is like? You asked Evan and Mike
• 21:58
  Speaker 4: in the locker room out of practice. What I'm curious
• 22:02
  Speaker 4: what it was like in Miami, Like with you guys
• 22:04
  Speaker 4: in the press box.
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: You know, what was the Well, the Miami press boxes,
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: you guys are all because it's spread out, you don't
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: really hear or even see other people the way it is.
• 22:16
  Speaker 4: It is a difference. Yeah, Mike, you wouldn't know this.
• 22:19
  Speaker 6: Yeah I didn't because I didn't go to a super Bowl.
• 22:21
  Speaker 6: Oh wait, no, this something you don't go anywhere.
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I didn't get a sense from anyone of a mood,
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: you know, from anyone. I know there was reports afterwards
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: from a couple of writers about guys yuck in and
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: up in the locker room in terms of the Patriots,
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: But I had a problem with that Okay, so why
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: don't we explain.
• 22:42
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, Fred just sort of set the table there.
• 22:44
  Speaker 4: There was a couple of different writers were mentioning that
• 22:48
  Speaker 4: it didn't seem like it was a locker room after
• 22:51
  Speaker 4: the game. That was indicative of the game how badly
• 22:56
  Speaker 4: they got beat. They were, you know, not that they
• 22:58
  Speaker 4: were having a party, but they just thought it was
• 23:00
  Speaker 4: a little lighter than you would expect. Because I read
• 23:04
  Speaker 4: four or five different writers. I think I saw Mark Daniels,
• 23:07
  Speaker 4: I think I saw Greg Bdard, I think I saw
• 23:09
  Speaker 4: Andrew Callahan, and they were kind of across the board,
• 23:12
  Speaker 4: not saying that it was a party, but just thought
• 23:16
  Speaker 4: it was a little odd that it was a little
• 23:17
  Speaker 4: bit lighter mood than you would expect after that loss,
• 23:21
  Speaker 4: that kind of a loss. What I didn't like was
• 23:24
  Speaker 4: sort of Drake May seemed to be the only one
• 23:27
  Speaker 4: who took the loss seriously, like really, like you had
• 23:30
  Speaker 4: fifty two guys that were playing poker, you know, after
• 23:34
  Speaker 4: the game, Like I don't really.
• 23:35
  Speaker 6: You know why it never looks like he's last feet.
• 23:37
  Speaker 4: You know. And I'm not suggesting that these guys had
• 23:40
  Speaker 4: it wrong. I wasn't there, so I'm not suggesting that
• 23:43
  Speaker 4: anybody had a bad report. I think they probably all accurately,
• 23:49
  Speaker 4: you know, conveyed. I talked to Mike Reese about it.
• 23:51
  Speaker 4: He said he didn't really see much of that. Just
• 23:54
  Speaker 4: as a guy who saw it a little bit differently,
• 23:57
  Speaker 4: I just find it hard to believe that the one
• 23:58
  Speaker 4: and only guy that was gutted after the loss was
• 24:02
  Speaker 4: Drake May. I just think that's too convenient for me.
• 24:05
  Speaker 4: You know, I watched Drake May play the game. I
• 24:07
  Speaker 4: know how he felt. I know he didn't feel like
• 24:09
  Speaker 4: he played very well. He reiterated that Mike and I
• 24:12
  Speaker 4: saw him when he spoke to us a little while ago.
• 24:16
  Speaker 4: I think that the turnovers are really on his mind.
• 24:20
  Speaker 4: Just twelve turnovers now and seven starts right, it's seven
• 24:24
  Speaker 4: picks and five. I think that that's on his mind.
• 24:28
  Speaker 4: I don't think he feels like he played well. I
• 24:30
  Speaker 4: just find it hard to believe that he's the only one.
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah, right, you.
• 24:33
  Speaker 4: Know, And that's kind of the way it was portrayed
• 24:35
  Speaker 4: a little bit. So that's I'm not questioning. Please don't.
• 24:38
  Speaker 4: This is not one of those things that needs to
• 24:39
  Speaker 4: go viral. Like, I'm not saying that the writers didn't
• 24:43
  Speaker 4: get it right, I just I just think that they
• 24:45
  Speaker 4: kind of go out of your way because right now
• 24:47
  Speaker 4: the fair haired boy is Drake May. So we're going
• 24:49
  Speaker 4: to make sure we make him there trying to. It
• 24:52
  Speaker 4: wasn't Drake May.
• 24:53
  Speaker 6: He's the main character.
• 24:54
  Speaker 3: And the only he's being let down by everybody on
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: the team. Now, yeah, they're creating that, you.
• 24:58
  Speaker 4: Know what I mean? Yeah, it was a Fredlake aside,
• 25:02
  Speaker 4: like a little knit to pick.
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: Fair enough, fair enough. Yeah, So back to your original question. Now,
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: I didn't sense a mood in the press box for sure.
• 25:11
  Speaker 3: It was pretty quiet professional.
• 25:13
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I would hope.
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: So, yeah, I will say that, you know, the press
• 25:19
  Speaker 3: box itself stinks. The food stinks in Miami, but there's
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: an intro into net hard wire at every seat much
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: much uh much appreciated. So in terms of my technology,
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: everything was very smooth. No hot dogs, no hot dogs
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: really not not good food.
• 25:38
  Speaker 6: Not good food Miami.
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: Although the night before we went to a place in
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: called Mastros.
• 25:44
  Speaker 6: Oh yeah, is that is that like that? I don't
• 25:48
  Speaker 6: want to call it a chain, but I think there's
• 25:49
  Speaker 6: a Mastros.
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: I think there's like four.
• 25:52
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, that's fine. I've never heard of the steaks
• 25:55
  Speaker 4: person I've heard of good stuff. I just came out
• 26:01
  Speaker 4: like purple to a baggy sweatrop.
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: Although I bought, I bought. I bought some people drinks.
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: I bought four drinks. It was over one hundred dollars.
• 26:09
  Speaker 4: For four drinks.
• 26:09
  Speaker 6: Yeah, what was it?
• 26:11
  Speaker 4: Holy smokes? Yeah, you expense that right especial martinis.
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: We can't, you can't. I wish I could. Yeah. So
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: it was two old fashions, which, by the way, Graham
• 26:25
  Speaker 3: to old fashions?
• 26:26
  Speaker 4: Do you like an old fashioned? I don't drink a
• 26:28
  Speaker 4: lot of I don't drink a lot of hard liquor like.
• 26:31
  Speaker 6: The bitters made a lot.
• 26:33
  Speaker 4: Just like a beer guy. But I'll drink an old
• 26:35
  Speaker 4: fashion everything too.
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: Old fashions one Jamison straight up and uh tequila and soda.
• 26:43
  Speaker 6: I mean that's right there, that's where one hundred bucks.
• 26:46
  Speaker 4: Mike, did that? Even cast you that in l A.
• 26:48
  Speaker 6: No, maybe some places, but those all sound like drinks
• 26:52
  Speaker 6: that would have made up my little restaurant in Cape
• 26:54
  Speaker 6: cod like the old fashion doing the muddling and you know,
• 26:56
  Speaker 6: a Manhattan plus plus.
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: I forgot my phone in the uber. Oh gee, so
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: we had to call the uber driver and he came
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: back and so I.
• 27:06
  Speaker 4: Had area him.
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: I had to grease him. So it was an expensive
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: night for Medy.
• 27:15
  Speaker 6: You dressed up like Crockett and tubs. You have the
• 27:17
  Speaker 6: whole like Miami thing going on. You know.
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: There were rumors that Shequille O'Neal was in the restaurant,
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: but we didn't go seek him out.
• 27:23
  Speaker 4: We've had something really really good to Miami over the years.
• 27:26
  Speaker 4: There's had some good dinners.
• 27:27
  Speaker 6: I've heard many.
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: I've heard many anyway, So that was the highlight of
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: the weekend because of the game.
• 27:33
  Speaker 4: So yeah, that's true.
• 27:35
  Speaker 3: What do we think do we have a shot against
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: the Colts?
• 27:38
  Speaker 6: Yes, yeah, I think they do, But I I don't
• 27:40
  Speaker 6: want to like say it's a big game and the
• 27:42
  Speaker 6: sense of it being a real big game, but yeah,
• 27:44
  Speaker 6: it's it's the last time they're going to really I think, BEF,
• 27:47
  Speaker 6: you have a chance, like at least on paper going
• 27:49
  Speaker 6: into the game, like not to say they have no
• 27:50
  Speaker 6: chance upsets.
• 27:52
  Speaker 4: You don't need to necessarily pull an upset in this one.
• 27:55
  Speaker 4: But I called it like when we were taping our
• 27:57
  Speaker 4: TV earlier. It's not like it's hard to say when
• 27:59
  Speaker 4: you're three and nine, it's a must win because obviously
• 28:01
  Speaker 4: the you know, the playoffs are out of the picture,
• 28:04
  Speaker 4: but it's a must respond.
• 28:05
  Speaker 6: I feel the same way.
• 28:06
  Speaker 4: You have to, like what's early lines two and a
• 28:10
  Speaker 4: half or three underdogs? Underdogs, Yeah, sort of vacillated.
• 28:15
  Speaker 3: So you get two at home for an outdoor stadium,
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: so like five.
• 28:20
  Speaker 6: I mean, but I agree, Paul. I mean, I was
• 28:23
  Speaker 6: trying to delicately put it, but you're right. I mean,
• 28:26
  Speaker 6: this is a home game. You know they will have
• 28:28
  Speaker 6: two home games at the end of the year. But
• 28:30
  Speaker 6: it's an important game. I mean, I you know, I
• 28:32
  Speaker 6: just I don't think that this colts teams all that great.
• 28:34
  Speaker 6: I mean, I.
• 28:35
  Speaker 4: Think wise they're missing a quarterback and can effectively run
• 28:40
  Speaker 4: an offense. But and this is another game you want
• 28:43
  Speaker 4: to you want to make fun of the other team.
• 28:45
  Speaker 4: You can do it all you want, go down player
• 28:47
  Speaker 4: for player and tell me how many of you'd take
• 28:50
  Speaker 4: a lot.
• 28:51
  Speaker 6: But if you want to talk about this defense, and
• 28:54
  Speaker 6: we all know what Anthony Anthony Richardson experience has been
• 28:57
  Speaker 6: like this year. If he goes out with this defense
• 28:59
  Speaker 6: and he picks them apart, and he looks all of
• 29:01
  Speaker 6: a sudden like he's getting it now, Like that's gonna
• 29:04
  Speaker 6: be that's gonna.
• 29:05
  Speaker 4: Be tough, tough pill seven.
• 29:08
  Speaker 6: Completion percentage, that's what he completes.
• 29:11
  Speaker 3: So you're gonna force him to throw, You're gonna load
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: the box. What are you doing?
• 29:15
  Speaker 9: No?
• 29:15
  Speaker 4: What they do? Yes, I would, I would try everything
• 29:18
  Speaker 4: you have to make sure you stop Jonathan Taylor. But
• 29:23
  Speaker 4: to Mike's point, if a guy who completes forty seven
• 29:26
  Speaker 4: percent of his throws comes in here and completes sixty
• 29:29
  Speaker 4: five percent, that's.
• 29:31
  Speaker 3: A problem to pay.
• 29:32
  Speaker 4: Now. That's what he did against the Jets the first
• 29:34
  Speaker 4: game that he came back from the benching. He was
• 29:37
  Speaker 4: much more efficient. And the Jets defense is obviously in
• 29:39
  Speaker 4: disarray that whole I mean, yeah, they're hiring their old
• 29:44
  Speaker 4: GM to be a head hunter for a new chief.
• 29:47
  Speaker 4: I don't even know what's going on there right, it's unbelievable,
• 29:53
  Speaker 4: like you would have to make that stuff up. But
• 29:57
  Speaker 4: if Richardson comes in here and looks efficient, like I'm
• 30:00
  Speaker 4: not talking about make plays because I expect him to
• 30:02
  Speaker 4: make plays. Even last game he was eleven for twenty
• 30:05
  Speaker 4: eight for one hundred and seventy two yards, Like he's
• 30:09
  Speaker 4: going to get the ball downfield to Alec Pierce and
• 30:13
  Speaker 4: Michael Pittman. And I mean, I think you're going to
• 30:16
  Speaker 4: catch a break and not see Josh downs.
• 30:18
  Speaker 3: Big Brendan's schooler game, Big Brendan's schooler game.
• 30:21
  Speaker 4: I don't like that matchup long do not like that?
• 30:23
  Speaker 6: Oh it's a tough tackle for him.
• 30:25
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't like that match.
• 30:27
  Speaker 3: To just get in his face, don't let just just
• 30:29
  Speaker 3: don't let him see what he's throwing at.
• 30:30
  Speaker 6: He'll still throw it, He'll have a guy.
• 30:34
  Speaker 4: Yeah. I don't expect him to look, you know, like
• 30:38
  Speaker 4: Tua did you know, and just have this rhythmic just
• 30:41
  Speaker 4: dissection of the defense. That's not what Richardson is about.
• 30:44
  Speaker 4: But if he make a big play or two, you
• 30:48
  Speaker 4: get Taylor twenty five carries?
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: How are they up? Defense?
• 30:52
  Speaker 4: Is really Drake really good upfront on defense?
• 30:55
  Speaker 6: I got some good players.
• 30:55
  Speaker 4: There's this a Forrest Buckner and Grover Stewart inside is
• 30:58
  Speaker 4: a really, really good tandem of defensive tackles. Quinn he
• 31:02
  Speaker 4: pays a guy that's, you know, not an elite edge rusher, but.
• 31:08
  Speaker 6: Like four or five sacks.
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: So is this a bad week for changes on the
• 31:12
  Speaker 3: offensive line?
• 31:14
  Speaker 6: I don't know. I mean, look, every week is tough.
• 31:16
  Speaker 6: I don't I mean, I don't think this is an
• 31:17
  Speaker 6: exotic defense. They're heavy zone. I mean, they're one of
• 31:20
  Speaker 6: the most zone in the league. So I think that
• 31:23
  Speaker 6: might be potentially favorable for Drake if he able to,
• 31:25
  Speaker 6: you know, find some of those holes.
• 31:26
  Speaker 4: But you might be able to run. They're not.
• 31:28
  Speaker 6: Yeah, they're not going to be you know, send guys
• 31:30
  Speaker 6: from all over the place. They're still kind of a
• 31:32
  Speaker 6: do what they do defense and play zone.
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: Are the Colts home versus away this season? Do we know?
• 31:37
  Speaker 4: I mean they've lost four their last five. You know,
• 31:40
  Speaker 4: they lost to Detroit last week. A game was reasonably
• 31:42
  Speaker 4: I think they were down fourteen to six of the half,
• 31:44
  Speaker 4: so it wasn't like they got blown out. But I
• 31:50
  Speaker 4: just don't think there's enough There's not enough efficiency with
• 31:54
  Speaker 4: Richardson Now, if he plays, you know, like he did
• 31:58
  Speaker 4: against the Jets and puts twenty eight on the board,
• 32:00
  Speaker 4: you're gonna be in trouble.
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: And the road two and four on the road. How
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: are they being coached this year? Are their coaches on
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: the hot seat?
• 32:08
  Speaker 4: Well, I mean Shane Steike and I know, like you know,
• 32:10
  Speaker 4: we talked a lot about Patriots had thirteen penalties in
• 32:13
  Speaker 4: this game, twelve eleven, I think. Okay, so I think
• 32:17
  Speaker 4: there was one. I think the Colts had won fewer
• 32:19
  Speaker 4: and Stiking has taken a lot of the responsibility. You know,
• 32:22
  Speaker 4: this is on me and how sloppy they've been. So yeah,
• 32:25
  Speaker 4: I mean, I think anytime you're in first or second
• 32:27
  Speaker 4: year and you're not having success, you're gonna you're gonna
• 32:31
  Speaker 4: be on the hot seat.
• 32:31
  Speaker 6: Yeah, they bench, they Prince Richardson and since he's been back,
• 32:34
  Speaker 6: they've been running them a little more. So he gets
• 32:36
  Speaker 6: about ten carries a game, so they'll they're not afraid
• 32:38
  Speaker 6: to get him and move him, especially in the red
• 32:40
  Speaker 6: zone where's he's pretty effective.
• 32:42
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• 33:05
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• 33:09
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• 33:14
  Speaker 4: I like when the guy calls his own answers interesting.
• 33:17
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• 33:20
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• 33:25
  Speaker 4: Yeah, we definitely need to address that. But I missed,
• 33:28
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• 33:28
  Speaker 3: I was first. Evan's here then has.
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: Returned prom practice, and has returned has returned PROMP practice.
• 33:43
  Speaker 11: Allright, Evan, A very brief look in to the Patriots
• 33:47
  Speaker 11: walk through today in the bubble you scribes out. They
• 33:50
  Speaker 11: kicked us scribes out in the bubble. Uh no pads,
• 33:54
  Speaker 11: walk through, attire, helmets, jerseys, and your Briel Peppers was
• 33:59
  Speaker 11: out at practice and they had perfect attendance on the
• 34:03
  Speaker 11: fifty three man rosters.
• 34:04
  Speaker 10: So everybody was there.
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: It was a walk through.
• 34:06
  Speaker 11: So it was a walkthrough. That's a big part of that.
• 34:09
  Speaker 11: So well we'll see what that looks like tomorrow. No
• 34:12
  Speaker 11: injury report today because technically they didn't have to practice today,
• 34:16
  Speaker 11: so injury reports wait for tomorrow, Thursday, Friday. Uh, so
• 34:21
  Speaker 11: you'll get a projected injury report on Thanksgiving.
• 34:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, so everybody may not realize. But obviously Thanksgiving is Thursday.
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: The Patriots are off that day, so things are moved
• 34:34
  Speaker 3: up this week. Usually Tuesday is the day off for
• 34:37
  Speaker 3: the Patriots. They're practicing today and they'll practice tomorrow. They'll
• 34:44
  Speaker 3: have Thursday off and then they'll be back practicing on Friday.
• 34:47
  Speaker 3: For us, we will not have a show on Thursday,
• 34:51
  Speaker 3: so we have to move things up too. Tomorrow.
• 34:53
  Speaker 4: We're gonna have to hurry, Picks.
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: We are gonna have to hurry tomorrow. It's Thursday.
• 34:59
  Speaker 4: That's what. Well, that's why we're already into Indianapolis. Now,
• 35:01
  Speaker 4: that's right.
• 35:02
  Speaker 3: Turn the page on Tuesday Wednesday.
• 35:05
  Speaker 6: Approach that topic. So well, we gotta get Evans thoughts
• 35:09
  Speaker 6: on the game. But if we don't, let's talk some film.
• 35:12
  Speaker 9: Bro.
• 35:15
  Speaker 3: I did read your review, and uh, you're not the
• 35:19
  Speaker 3: only one saying it. Jabrill Pepper is not what not
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: Jabrill Peppers Kyle Duggar a particularly tough day he did.
• 35:27
  Speaker 3: Some people are speculating he's got to be hurt, but like,
• 35:32
  Speaker 3: tell me why. This was out of the ordinary and
• 35:36
  Speaker 3: a really bad game for him.
• 35:37
  Speaker 11: Yeah, I mean, I thought he had a hand in
• 35:40
  Speaker 11: all four touchdowns that they allowed in this game.
• 35:42
  Speaker 6: It was.
• 35:44
  Speaker 11: It was one of those games where you can just
• 35:46
  Speaker 11: see that he was swimming in it mentally, just eyes
• 35:49
  Speaker 11: weren't in the right places. Wasn't seeing through all of
• 35:53
  Speaker 11: the eye candy and motion and backfield action that this
• 35:56
  Speaker 11: Dolphins offense likes to throw at you. Well, a lot
• 35:59
  Speaker 11: of the time they throw, you know, some sort of
• 36:02
  Speaker 11: eye candy is what you know. We always call it,
• 36:05
  Speaker 11: the players call it in the backfield to just draw
• 36:09
  Speaker 11: your eyes away from where they actually want to throw
• 36:11
  Speaker 11: the ball. Like it doesn't always it's not always we're
• 36:14
  Speaker 11: going to motion this guy to throw them the football.
• 36:16
  Speaker 11: Sometimes it's we're going to motion this guy because we're
• 36:19
  Speaker 11: going to make you look over here, but we're actually.
• 36:21
  Speaker 10: Gonna throw the ball over there.
• 36:22
  Speaker 11: I thought that was the biggest issue for Dugger in
• 36:25
  Speaker 11: this game, was that his eyes were getting caught in
• 36:27
  Speaker 11: the backfield as this bug is going around fruit fly
• 36:30
  Speaker 11: and as you know, his eyes were getting caught in
• 36:33
  Speaker 11: the backfield. And then by the time he was reacting
• 36:36
  Speaker 11: to where they were actually trying to hit them defensively,
• 36:39
  Speaker 11: it was too late. So I said this to do
• 36:42
  Speaker 11: so earlier. Like Kyle Dugger is a much better football
• 36:45
  Speaker 11: player than what he showed on Sunday. I know people
• 36:47
  Speaker 11: have concerns about him and coverage, but it's one thing
• 36:51
  Speaker 11: for to give up a play and here or there.
• 36:54
  Speaker 11: This was right off the jump, just error error, error error.
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: So here's the question I have. This is a different
• 37:02
  Speaker 3: season role wise for Dougger than it was last year.
• 37:08
  Speaker 3: Do you think with Devin mccordy back there. Obviously with
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: mccaudy back there, Kyle Duggar's role changes. Yeah, but on
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: this game, maybe his responsibility was as much mental as
• 37:22
  Speaker 3: it was physical and he just was having.
• 37:24
  Speaker 4: A hard Yeah.
• 37:26
  Speaker 11: I do wonder, you know, Devin, obviously it was two
• 37:28
  Speaker 11: years ago, but like Jabriel Peppers isn't out there currently
• 37:32
  Speaker 11: at least in these games. And how much did he
• 37:34
  Speaker 11: get used to playing off of Jabriel Peppers And now
• 37:37
  Speaker 11: he's working with Mapu, he's working with Hawkins. You know,
• 37:40
  Speaker 11: he's working with guys that he doesn't have as much
• 37:43
  Speaker 11: experience with. But speaking to him after the game, it
• 37:46
  Speaker 11: he wore it like it wasn't.
• 37:48
  Speaker 10: Anything to do with role or anything like that. It's just,
• 37:52
  Speaker 10: you know, he just played poorly in the game.
• 37:53
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 37:54
  Speaker 6: I told Evan my experience as I did I ground
• 37:56
  Speaker 6: the defensive tape yesterday and the first play of the game.
• 37:59
  Speaker 6: I put on the first defensive play of the game,
• 38:02
  Speaker 6: and I didn't really notice him playing bad during the game,
• 38:03
  Speaker 6: to be honest, when we watched.
• 38:04
  Speaker 3: It on TV.
• 38:05
  Speaker 6: When you see it on TV, but first play, and
• 38:09
  Speaker 6: I well, that's what I was trying to do for
• 38:10
  Speaker 6: out grinding it, and he just looked like he wasn't
• 38:14
  Speaker 6: really running like and like the first play, and I
• 38:16
  Speaker 6: was like jeez. And so continued on and saw a
• 38:18
  Speaker 6: lot of the stuff like Evan's talking with the eight
• 38:20
  Speaker 6: chan touchdown to me totally like he's watching it at first,
• 38:24
  Speaker 6: and then he goes and he just following things to
• 38:26
  Speaker 6: the right and he has no chance on it. But
• 38:28
  Speaker 6: but then my experience was then I like went like
• 38:30
  Speaker 6: on look at Twitter, and like the first thing that
• 38:31
  Speaker 6: pops up is like there's like a cut up out
• 38:34
  Speaker 6: there of Kyle Dugard that like somebody put out of
• 38:36
  Speaker 6: like all his bad plays. So yeah, he I don't
• 38:39
  Speaker 6: know what it is, but he just had a bad game.
• 38:42
  Speaker 11: Yeah he gave up, but I think it was it
• 38:44
  Speaker 11: came down a seventy six yards in coverage, which for
• 38:46
  Speaker 11: safety is is quite a bit PFF assigned him with
• 38:50
  Speaker 11: two touchdowns, but like I said, I thought he could
• 38:53
  Speaker 11: have made a play on all four and wasn't able to.
• 38:56
  Speaker 11: And look, I they need him to be better than that,
• 38:59
  Speaker 11: that's for sure. I mean he's a captain, he's a
• 39:00
  Speaker 11: guy they just paid.
• 39:01
  Speaker 10: He needs to be better.
• 39:02
  Speaker 3: I mean you have to give, you know, credit to
• 39:06
  Speaker 3: the other team. I mean McDaniel had this defense in
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: a blender for most of the game. I think you know,
• 39:13
  Speaker 3: if you're a Dolphin fan, you're probably like, oh, this
• 39:16
  Speaker 3: is this is our this is who McDaniel is. You're
• 39:19
  Speaker 3: you're pretty exciting.
• 39:20
  Speaker 4: That's been what it is to you a point. That's
• 39:22
  Speaker 4: what they've looked like for five weeks. Yeah, since since
• 39:24
  Speaker 4: he came. It's twenty nine a game now. Yeah, so
• 39:28
  Speaker 4: you know, I know that people, especially around here, do
• 39:31
  Speaker 4: not want to say it. Yeah, he's a pretty good quarterback.
• 39:35
  Speaker 4: And if you want to say it's just for that system, fine,
• 39:37
  Speaker 4: I'm not smart enough to tell you if he could
• 39:39
  Speaker 4: do it in another system. But I've seen it with
• 39:41
  Speaker 4: him in that system and I've seen it without him
• 39:43
  Speaker 4: in that system. And there's a difference between ten points
• 39:45
  Speaker 4: a game and twenty nine points a game.
• 39:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but even like going back to McDaniel, like the
• 39:50
  Speaker 3: decision to really use John of Smith a lot.
• 39:53
  Speaker 4: You know, it was like what he's done. You know
• 39:56
  Speaker 4: what did he catch seven for one hundred and nine
• 39:58
  Speaker 4: the week before?
• 39:59
  Speaker 3: Yes, he knows that teams are going to focus on Waddle,
• 40:02
  Speaker 3: they're going to focus on Hill and we've got this
• 40:05
  Speaker 3: athletic tight end that is probably going to be one
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: on one in a mismatch. And you know the last
• 40:13
  Speaker 3: time the Patriots played, they didn't have their well the
• 40:16
  Speaker 3: running back got hurt early, so you didn't have him
• 40:18
  Speaker 3: in there. Just too many weapons out there for a
• 40:21
  Speaker 3: defense like the one we have.
• 40:23
  Speaker 12: Yeah.
• 40:23
  Speaker 11: I just think that when I watched it live, you know,
• 40:27
  Speaker 11: in game observations as a little bit harsh on Marcus
• 40:30
  Speaker 11: Jones because he was covering Wattle and Wattle had this
• 40:33
  Speaker 11: huge game, But then watching it back on the film,
• 40:35
  Speaker 11: it was the middle of the field that was far
• 40:37
  Speaker 11: more concerning. Linebackers, safeties. Uh, just unable to cover the
• 40:43
  Speaker 11: areas between the numbers.
• 40:44
  Speaker 3: And it's not just it sounded like that was recognized
• 40:47
  Speaker 3: by the Dolphins in their down point.
• 40:49
  Speaker 10: Yeah, it's not just too like you know, zone or whatever.
• 40:53
  Speaker 11: It's also if you're like a help defender in the
• 40:55
  Speaker 11: middle of the field to somebody that's in man to
• 40:57
  Speaker 11: man coverage and he's expecting, you know, that robber to
• 41:00
  Speaker 11: be sitting there on the crossing route or something like that,
• 41:03
  Speaker 11: and they're just getting their eyes or getting pulled out
• 41:05
  Speaker 11: of the passing lanes by Tua and all those kinds
• 41:08
  Speaker 11: of things. So you'll actually add it up. And the
• 41:10
  Speaker 11: two corners gave up like ninety yards of the three
• 41:13
  Speaker 11: hundred and seventeen that to a throw through four. Like,
• 41:16
  Speaker 11: I'll take that if you told me that, you know,
• 41:17
  Speaker 11: you're gonna go into the game and Tyree Kill and
• 41:19
  Speaker 11: Jalen Waddle or are going to combine for.
• 41:22
  Speaker 10: Like one fifty something. I think it was. It's like,
• 41:25
  Speaker 10: it wasn't horrible.
• 41:26
  Speaker 11: You know, wat had a huge game, and a lot
• 41:28
  Speaker 11: of that was against zone and a lot of that
• 41:30
  Speaker 11: was breaking into the middle of the field and some
• 41:33
  Speaker 11: of the time, yeah, like you know the deep ball,
• 41:35
  Speaker 11: that's Marcus Jones got beat on that play. But I
• 41:37
  Speaker 11: didn't think that Marcus Jones was egregious and you know,
• 41:40
  Speaker 11: just a nice play in the end zone. Yeah, he
• 41:42
  Speaker 11: had a couple of pass breakups and just to throw
• 41:45
  Speaker 11: a stat out there next gen you know, tracks how
• 41:48
  Speaker 11: much separation you're giving up on the on these targets.
• 41:51
  Speaker 11: When Marcus Jones was in Manton man coverage, he was
• 41:54
  Speaker 11: giving up zero point seven yards of separation to the
• 41:58
  Speaker 11: Dolphins receivers under a yard on these targets that he
• 42:02
  Speaker 11: was getting in man. So he has limitations in terms
• 42:05
  Speaker 11: of his length and stuff like that to get into
• 42:07
  Speaker 11: passing lanes. I fully see that, but he's sticking with them.
• 42:11
  Speaker 11: It's just a matter of actually, you know, preventing the
• 42:15
  Speaker 11: the completions that have been problems for I think if.
• 42:18
  Speaker 3: We get another if we get a B or you know,
• 42:23
  Speaker 3: I'm not even gonna say, you know, an A one
• 42:25
  Speaker 3: to Gonzales, I think Marcus Jones will be in a
• 42:28
  Speaker 3: good place as your third cornerback. You know, right now,
• 42:33
  Speaker 3: all you got really is Gonzales.
• 42:34
  Speaker 10: If he plays in the slot.
• 42:37
  Speaker 11: The biggest problem that I see with him is that
• 42:39
  Speaker 11: when you put him on the outside, it's not so
• 42:42
  Speaker 11: much that he's five to eight and the other guys
• 42:43
  Speaker 11: six foot four, because that wasn't the case here. The
• 42:45
  Speaker 11: problem is is when you get the ball throw in
• 42:47
  Speaker 11: your direction, he doesn't have the reach or the radius
• 42:51
  Speaker 11: to swap passes away and things like that, so he
• 42:54
  Speaker 11: might be in really good position to play the ball initially,
• 42:57
  Speaker 11: but these guys are just going to a floor on
• 43:00
  Speaker 11: the elevator that.
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: I think he's feisty around the line. He's not afraid
• 43:03
  Speaker 3: to get his nose in there and make tackles. I'll tackle.
• 43:06
  Speaker 3: I think he's he'll tackle.
• 43:07
  Speaker 4: I don't like him as much as a cover guy
• 43:09
  Speaker 4: as you guys do. He'll He's definitely not afraid to
• 43:11
  Speaker 4: stick his nose in there.
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: But I don't think totally agree with Yeah. I think
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: I think he's out of position taking Wattle one on one.
• 43:17
  Speaker 3: He's just like, that's just well.
• 43:19
  Speaker 4: I think they all had their chances with Wattle one
• 43:21
  Speaker 4: on one. I think, you know, this is I agree
• 43:24
  Speaker 4: with Evan about the linebackers, and this is something I
• 43:27
  Speaker 4: talked about a lot in the post game. It looked
• 43:29
  Speaker 4: to me like they were going out of their way.
• 43:33
  Speaker 4: Tua is doing this like misdirection and he's trying to
• 43:36
  Speaker 4: open that window. And there were a couple of quick
• 43:39
  Speaker 4: little throws they had to the sideline that Tavai really defended. Well,
• 43:43
  Speaker 4: you know, as one. I think to most that lost.
• 43:45
  Speaker 3: Three yards line was defended pretty well.
• 43:47
  Speaker 4: But I think it was all a setup, like because
• 43:50
  Speaker 4: all that did was they started off slant inside, inside
• 43:53
  Speaker 4: the numbers, inside the hashboks, inside the numbers. Okay, now
• 43:56
  Speaker 4: we're going to go to the outside. Oh you shut
• 43:59
  Speaker 4: those down, okay. And then you looked at some of
• 44:01
  Speaker 4: the replays and it's like Tavai is coming from here
• 44:04
  Speaker 4: out to here, anticipating another throw to the flat and
• 44:08
  Speaker 4: it's just opening the window for me. And that's all
• 44:10
  Speaker 4: they were doing. And this is why I don't put
• 44:12
  Speaker 4: it on Gonzales, Jones and Jones, even though I don't
• 44:15
  Speaker 4: think that they were great, Not trying to just excuse them,
• 44:18
  Speaker 4: but the windows was so big for you know, and
• 44:21
  Speaker 4: he's really accurate. He's so anticipatory with all his throws.
• 44:25
  Speaker 4: You always call him Drake may I mean Drew Brees,
• 44:27
  Speaker 4: and I think that's really good comp Like he throws
• 44:30
  Speaker 4: the ball before he knows what's happening, because he knows
• 44:33
  Speaker 4: what's going to happen. Yeah, and that's why sometimes he
• 44:36
  Speaker 4: throws picks and you look like, what was he thinking
• 44:37
  Speaker 4: on that one? Because sometimes they did there and they
• 44:39
  Speaker 4: don't get fooled by it. Dougger almost had one in
• 44:42
  Speaker 4: the end zone. Yeah, you know, like he just threw
• 44:45
  Speaker 4: it and Dougger was there and unfortunately he couldn't make
• 44:48
  Speaker 4: the turnover. But the bigger problem to me is in
• 44:51
  Speaker 4: the middle. They don't have any pass players, any pass
• 44:55
  Speaker 4: defenders in the middle of that defense, and you're asking
• 44:58
  Speaker 4: too much of the guys to you know, this was
• 45:00
  Speaker 4: a Wattle game. It could easily have been Tyreek if
• 45:03
  Speaker 4: they would, you know, going on the other side, they
• 45:05
  Speaker 4: had no answers. Now there was so many every time
• 45:06
  Speaker 4: they do it was a Tyreek kill. It was caught too.
• 45:08
  Speaker 4: Like it just they didn't do it that much.
• 45:10
  Speaker 6: Just so many players where two is just whipping it
• 45:12
  Speaker 6: by somebody's ear hole and you'll see like like Douger
• 45:14
  Speaker 6: throws his arm up, you know, just late, but it's
• 45:16
  Speaker 6: like right, so it looks weird.
• 45:19
  Speaker 4: It was just like it was effortless those like this
• 45:23
  Speaker 4: was just like the Rams game, Like there was the
• 45:24
  Speaker 4: five scoring drives in a row and I don't know
• 45:26
  Speaker 4: how many in a role in this one.
• 45:28
  Speaker 10: I think it was four, but I mean it was.
• 45:29
  Speaker 4: Definitely the game was over.
• 45:31
  Speaker 7: That was it.
• 45:31
  Speaker 11: Yeah, they So the Patriots right now are giving up
• 45:34
  Speaker 11: nine point six yards per pass play between the numbers
• 45:38
  Speaker 11: twenty eighth and the So they're also twenty eighth and
• 45:42
  Speaker 11: EPA per play.
• 45:42
  Speaker 10: If you are like me and care about that more, Yeah, but.
• 45:47
  Speaker 4: There you want to give us thirty seconds on EPI.
• 45:50
  Speaker 10: Yeah, right, so I can.
• 45:51
  Speaker 4: Make fun of somebody.
• 45:52
  Speaker 11: I'll teach them a thing or two. But yeah, they
• 45:55
  Speaker 11: they you know, they don't defend the middle of the field. Well,
• 45:57
  Speaker 11: this has been going on all year, and I think
• 45:59
  Speaker 11: the one second guest that I would just have from
• 46:01
  Speaker 11: a coaching perspective is they don't defend the middle of
• 46:04
  Speaker 11: the field well, and yet they're playing a ton of
• 46:07
  Speaker 11: base defense. So they're just putting more linebackers on the field.
• 46:12
  Speaker 11: And then these teams are seeing ellis to buy Taki
• 46:16
  Speaker 11: talkie and they're seeing them out on the field and
• 46:18
  Speaker 11: they're like, well, why would I throw the ball at
• 46:20
  Speaker 11: Christian Gonzalez when I could throw the ball at these guys,
• 46:23
  Speaker 11: And then they're just getting picked apart. This game, they
• 46:24
  Speaker 11: played a little bit more nickel than what they have
• 46:26
  Speaker 11: been doing. But every single time I saw based defense
• 46:29
  Speaker 11: on the field on Sunday, I started groaning. I was like,
• 46:31
  Speaker 11: what are we doing against all this speed? You're gonna
• 46:34
  Speaker 11: put three linebackers on the field, Like good luck, you know,
• 46:37
  Speaker 11: good luck to see any talkie talkie going across the
• 46:40
  Speaker 11: field with Jalen Waddle Like, I see how that works out.
• 46:43
  Speaker 3: All right, let's get to the phone calls, because we've
• 46:45
  Speaker 3: got phone calls coming in, We've got emails coming in.
• 46:48
  Speaker 3: It's well, it's the day after the game, so people
• 46:51
  Speaker 3: want to comment. Let's start with Ryan in Maine. What's
• 46:55
  Speaker 3: up Ryan, Hey.
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  Speaker 13: How's it going guys?
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  Speaker 14: First time caller, longtime listener.
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  Speaker 12: I just wanted to take in ask a request for
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  Speaker 12: I meant a suggestion for the newsletter.
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  Speaker 15: One of the things I.
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  Speaker 12: Always love during the Picks contest is Spread's upset lock
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  Speaker 12: of the week, and I was wondering if there'd be
• 47:32
  Speaker 12: a way for them to put that in the newsletter
• 47:34
  Speaker 12: so that we can track it over the season.
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  Speaker 3: See how good the league is okay, I don't have
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  Speaker 3: one every week, but when you.
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  Speaker 4: Do, I will make note of it, and I will
• 47:44
  Speaker 4: put a little and I will allude to it.
• 47:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I believe I'm fourteen, and oh if I'm not mistaken.
• 47:52
  Speaker 4: Through twelve weeks, I think I think you're right.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know.
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  Speaker 6: I think you're right fourteen for twelve weeks.
• 47:57
  Speaker 3: But that's good. That's a good suggestion.
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  Speaker 4: Ryan.
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  Speaker 15: Anyone who says you, guys, just stop doing the pick
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, we have a few of them, but you know,
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  Speaker 3: I agree. It's it's an acquired taste, I guess. But
• 48:16
  Speaker 3: thanks for the call, Ryan, appreciate it as we all are.
• 48:19
  Speaker 3: Let's go to Mike and Braintree.
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  Speaker 16: What's up Mike, Hey, guys, thank you for taking my call.
• 48:25
  Speaker 8: I'm a long time listener.
• 48:26
  Speaker 16: I think it's my third time calling. I have a
• 48:29
  Speaker 16: complicated hypothetical question for you.
• 48:31
  Speaker 7: If you like.
• 48:32
  Speaker 3: Okay, complicated hypothetic.
• 48:35
  Speaker 4: Evan's favorite Leicated hypothetical.
• 48:38
  Speaker 14: Evans one of my favorites.
• 48:39
  Speaker 8: Thank you.
• 48:41
  Speaker 16: Yeah, So, what I'm thinking is that for next year,
• 48:45
  Speaker 16: what if we take all of the financial cap space
• 48:49
  Speaker 16: that we have and maybe even most of the draft gack,
• 48:52
  Speaker 16: and we just invested in filling our offensive mind nothing
• 48:56
  Speaker 16: but probol to every single spot. I want to know,
• 48:59
  Speaker 16: a how likely do you think this is to happen?
• 49:03
  Speaker 16: And be do you think this makes us a legitimate
• 49:06
  Speaker 16: playoff if we would do that and then just retain
• 49:09
  Speaker 16: the talent that we have So we got you know,
• 49:12
  Speaker 16: Lemandre Stephenson, all the warning backs, all the receiatons, all
• 49:15
  Speaker 16: the type that just retooled the offensive point nothing but probos.
• 49:19
  Speaker 16: Could we do that?
• 49:20
  Speaker 15: And what would be us?
• 49:22
  Speaker 3: Okay, all right, thanks thanks Mike, so.
• 49:27
  Speaker 4: Odds or zero but no, But but I'm dismissing you're
• 49:31
  Speaker 4: going to acquire five Pro bowlers.
• 49:33
  Speaker 3: In theoretically, you take all the money that you have
• 49:36
  Speaker 3: and say, you know what, this year, we're just going
• 49:39
  Speaker 3: to make sure that we have a good offensive line. Like,
• 49:44
  Speaker 3: how how much does that improve your team in one year?
• 49:48
  Speaker 4: Marginally?
• 49:49
  Speaker 6: If it was, I mean, if it was, you're getting
• 49:52
  Speaker 6: like you're not just getting Pro Bowl players, they're all
• 49:53
  Speaker 6: going to play at a Pro Bowl level.
• 49:55
  Speaker 4: Well, no, you have a good offensive line, but you
• 49:57
  Speaker 4: did nothing else to improve right, you'd be marginally better.
• 50:01
  Speaker 4: The offensive line is a problem right now. It's hurting
• 50:03
  Speaker 4: the offense. There's no question about it. You do not
• 50:06
  Speaker 4: have playmakers, you do not have a defense. Like you'll
• 50:10
  Speaker 4: be marginally But if you.
• 50:11
  Speaker 3: Did this, what if you spent all your money on
• 50:14
  Speaker 3: offensive line and all your draft picks elsewhere.
• 50:18
  Speaker 11: I would flip it if it was me, Like I
• 50:21
  Speaker 11: just this notion that you can just get offensive line
• 50:23
  Speaker 11: in the veteran market, I'm much doesn't happen, you know,
• 50:26
  Speaker 11: like it just they don't come available.
• 50:29
  Speaker 3: But you're talking about the best. What about like you
• 50:31
  Speaker 3: just make sure that I get veteran guys.
• 50:33
  Speaker 4: Who are good. But that's what they tried to do
• 50:35
  Speaker 4: last year, not at left tackle that they tried to
• 50:39
  Speaker 4: get veteran guys that were just good chookes a corps
• 50:42
  Speaker 4: for Michael Jordan, Nick Leverett. These were just guys that
• 50:45
  Speaker 4: were that's what you get in free agency. Like I
• 50:49
  Speaker 4: agree with Evan, there's a there's a handful of guys
• 50:51
  Speaker 4: every you know, Joe Toney obviously went from here to
• 50:54
  Speaker 4: the Kansas City on a big money deal. You see
• 50:57
  Speaker 4: there's guards that that get big money. Yeah, there aren't
• 51:01
  Speaker 4: a lot of Orlando Browns, like high end left tackles
• 51:04
  Speaker 4: that changed, uh change teams in free agency. There are
• 51:08
  Speaker 4: there are some. I just don't think it's realistic that
• 51:10
  Speaker 4: you're going to do that with five guys.
• 51:12
  Speaker 11: Yeah, yeah, I mean I I said at the time
• 51:15
  Speaker 11: that I would have gone after these guys. So it's
• 51:17
  Speaker 11: like a little bit I guess what's the word, like
• 51:21
  Speaker 11: I didn't see coming revisionist history, But go like look
• 51:24
  Speaker 11: at like Mike mcglinchey's PFF numbers or uh, you know,
• 51:28
  Speaker 11: Caleb McGarry or any of those guys that were in
• 51:31
  Speaker 11: that free agency class a couple of years ago that
• 51:33
  Speaker 11: we all were pounding the table for the Patriots to
• 51:35
  Speaker 11: go after, and the twenty three free agency all those
• 51:38
  Speaker 11: guys have been terrible for their new teams. Uh, you
• 51:42
  Speaker 11: know Jwan Taylor. They can't get that guy out of
• 51:44
  Speaker 11: Kansas City fast enough. That's the guy I was thinking, Yeah,
• 51:47
  Speaker 11: like Taylor, they cannot possibly get him out of their
• 51:50
  Speaker 11: fast enough. You know, like those guys big big contracts
• 51:54
  Speaker 11: that were flawed players and their teams knew it, so
• 51:57
  Speaker 11: they let them walk in free agency. You know, you're
• 51:59
  Speaker 11: not you typically are not going to see.
• 52:03
  Speaker 4: You know, Robinson could be one of those guys next year.
• 52:05
  Speaker 4: He's the one who got traded from Jacksonville to Minnesota.
• 52:08
  Speaker 4: I think he's I think his contract is up, he'll
• 52:10
  Speaker 4: be He'll be on the market. Yeah, all right, all right, No,
• 52:18
  Speaker 4: it's a it's a good question. I just think it's
• 52:19
  Speaker 4: hard to.
• 52:20
  Speaker 3: Do Riley in North Carolina. What's up? Riley?
• 52:24
  Speaker 13: Hey?
• 52:25
  Speaker 14: A rough week after weekend, I should say. But anyways,
• 52:32
  Speaker 14: I just want to go on a little rant here
• 52:36
  Speaker 14: because I am tired of these privileged fans and the
• 52:42
  Speaker 14: negligence of blame that everyone seems to be putting on
• 52:46
  Speaker 14: Jrod Mail. You know, if you look at the season
• 52:50
  Speaker 14: and where we are, we obviously have three wins, right,
• 52:52
  Speaker 14: and we won four last year with arguably the greatest
• 52:57
  Speaker 14: coaches all time, And obviously, you know, that's why they
• 53:01
  Speaker 14: decided to part ways with him, because it was just time.
• 53:05
  Speaker 14: And our entire coaching staff is brand new at their
• 53:09
  Speaker 14: respective position, and I honestly think that a lot of
• 53:15
  Speaker 14: the blame should be placed on Elliott Woolf and Bill
• 53:19
  Speaker 14: Belichick because Bill Belichick obviously was the GM when he
• 53:24
  Speaker 14: was here, and he neglected to draft high positions of
• 53:31
  Speaker 14: need for the last several years in the draft, like
• 53:35
  Speaker 14: left tackle for example, as arguably the largest Sclaring weekness
• 53:40
  Speaker 14: on the team. And now you transition to Elliott Wolf
• 53:44
  Speaker 14: becoming you know, the GM. I know he was involved
• 53:48
  Speaker 14: in kind of those decisions. Ultimately Bill had to end
• 53:51
  Speaker 14: all sale, and I think that a lot of the
• 53:56
  Speaker 14: blame should be placed on Elliott Wolf because what did
• 53:59
  Speaker 14: he do to improve the roster? You know, Bill Belichick
• 54:03
  Speaker 14: or excuse me, John Mail is in charge of running
• 54:07
  Speaker 14: the players and making sure that they're doing their jobs properly.
• 54:10
  Speaker 14: It's not his job to go out and scout talent
• 54:13
  Speaker 14: and acquire talented players and bring them into the team.
• 54:18
  Speaker 14: So I'm just stick and tired of all the negative
• 54:22
  Speaker 14: comments on every post and after every game that we
• 54:27
  Speaker 14: lose about fire Mayo, fire the entire coaching staff, Like,
• 54:31
  Speaker 14: just have patience, people. This franchise has been a dumpster
• 54:36
  Speaker 14: fire for the last half decade. Even when we had
• 54:40
  Speaker 14: Belichick and Gerrava. Mayo was basically left with the straps
• 54:45
  Speaker 14: of what Belichick will have and trying to turn the
• 54:49
  Speaker 14: team around and do the best that he can with
• 54:51
  Speaker 14: what he had. So there's my rants, that's all I
• 54:55
  Speaker 14: got and I hope everybody has a great Thanksgiving.
• 54:58
  Speaker 4: Thanks Juy, Thanks, Thanks you too, Riley.
• 55:00
  Speaker 3: I mean there's some truth in him what he's saying.
• 55:02
  Speaker 3: You know, he inherited a mess, similar to what Bill
• 55:06
  Speaker 3: inherited in two thousand.
• 55:08
  Speaker 4: No doubt, you know, no doubt he inherited a mess.
• 55:11
  Speaker 4: I just think that you evaluate everybody on what you've seen.
• 55:16
  Speaker 3: Yep.
• 55:17
  Speaker 4: I think that he's absolutely right. They had a lot
• 55:19
  Speaker 4: of bad drafts that Mike and I have played the
• 55:22
  Speaker 4: hits on for years. But what have you seen? You know?
• 55:27
  Speaker 4: So the greatest coach of all time got fired for
• 55:30
  Speaker 4: winning four games.
• 55:34
  Speaker 3: Well there was more to it than that, But.
• 55:36
  Speaker 4: I'm just saying, like he just called in the greatest
• 55:38
  Speaker 4: coach of all time and even he couldn't win, Yeah,
• 55:40
  Speaker 4: and he lost his job. So I think you have
• 55:43
  Speaker 4: to evaluate. Do I think that Gerard Mayo should lose
• 55:45
  Speaker 4: his job?
• 55:46
  Speaker 7: No?
• 55:46
  Speaker 4: I don't. I think that you decided to go in
• 55:49
  Speaker 4: this direction. This is what you how you wanted to
• 55:52
  Speaker 4: you know, ford your path going forward? You need to
• 55:54
  Speaker 4: see it through. You don't do that after twelve months.
• 55:56
  Speaker 3: The Patriot's Unfiltered TV show, you'll hear what I have
• 55:59
  Speaker 3: to say about this particular situation.
• 56:01
  Speaker 4: That's good. That's a good tease. You know, big, big
• 56:04
  Speaker 4: market Tea's right there by Freddy. Yeah, I like that.
• 56:07
  Speaker 4: I'm just saying, like, you need to evaluate what you see.
• 56:09
  Speaker 4: If people looking at the same mistakes that we saw
• 56:12
  Speaker 4: in the summer happened on Sunday with false start after
• 56:15
  Speaker 4: false start, someone's got to talk about that.
• 56:18
  Speaker 3: And you know, big decisions are going to have to
• 56:21
  Speaker 3: be made by Gerard Mayo, Elliott Wolf, and Robert Kraft, right,
• 56:24
  Speaker 3: and each from their own perspective.
• 56:27
  Speaker 4: And again I'm not advocating for John Madle lose his job.
• 56:29
  Speaker 4: He should not lose his job. His job is. I
• 56:32
  Speaker 4: know it's not in jeopardy anyway, but he should It
• 56:34
  Speaker 4: shouldn't be.
• 56:34
  Speaker 3: He shouldn't. He shouldn't. But I think everything else is
• 56:37
  Speaker 3: on the table, I really do, yes, Like who are
• 56:40
  Speaker 3: the people around you? Around? And we don't have. The
• 56:43
  Speaker 3: frustrating thing about this for us is we are not
• 56:47
  Speaker 3: privy to the information that everyone else has. I have
• 56:50
  Speaker 3: no idea if Scott Peters is a good offensive line coach.
• 56:53
  Speaker 3: I hope he is. But if he isn't, that's something
• 56:57
  Speaker 3: you need to address. I don't know if Tyler Hughes
• 57:00
  Speaker 3: is a good wide receiver coach. I hope he is,
• 57:02
  Speaker 3: But if he's not, that's a tough decision you're gonna
• 57:05
  Speaker 3: have to make, and all the way down the line
• 57:07
  Speaker 3: with every position coach, you know, because in football, coaching
• 57:11
  Speaker 3: does matter. It's not baseball. It's not basketball.
• 57:15
  Speaker 4: He's taking shots at baseball.
• 57:16
  Speaker 3: No, but but you know what I mean coaching in
• 57:19
  Speaker 3: football is it really does make It does make a difference.
• 57:24
  Speaker 11: You just look at you know, they're when they go
• 57:26
  Speaker 11: into these games and I just feel myself asking a lot,
• 57:30
  Speaker 11: you know, what was where are the details and like
• 57:33
  Speaker 11: what was the plan to handle certain things? You know,
• 57:36
  Speaker 11: like on Sunday, everybody's picking on the offensive line for
• 57:39
  Speaker 11: all the penalties and it's it's understandable, but when the
• 57:42
  Speaker 11: ball was actually snapped, you know, and they weren't false starting,
• 57:45
  Speaker 11: you know, they're just blitzing Drake and they're making him hot.
• 57:48
  Speaker 11: I mean he said it at the press conference this morning,
• 57:50
  Speaker 11: like that's what teams are doing against him. If they
• 57:53
  Speaker 11: keep on blitzing him and they keep on doing that, Okay,
• 57:55
  Speaker 11: how are we going to beat that?
• 57:57
  Speaker 14: Like?
• 57:57
  Speaker 11: What is the plan to throw hot into this blitz,
• 58:01
  Speaker 11: and where are the receivers supposed to go? Where is
• 58:03
  Speaker 11: Drake supposed to go with the football? On Sunday, it
• 58:06
  Speaker 11: felt like there were times where he was looking around
• 58:09
  Speaker 11: like I don't know where I'm supposed to go with
• 58:11
  Speaker 11: this thing. And then it's stripsack, it's interception, it's sack.
• 58:14
  Speaker 11: You know, it's whatever, and it's like, those are the
• 58:17
  Speaker 11: types of things that it come back to. Coaching for
• 58:20
  Speaker 11: me is like what is the plan if they come
• 58:24
  Speaker 11: out and they blitz him fifteen times in a game?
• 58:27
  Speaker 11: You know, the rams s blitz them a lot, and
• 58:29
  Speaker 11: they seem to have a pretty good plan of how
• 58:31
  Speaker 11: to handle it. They were anticipating that that was gonna happen.
• 58:34
  Speaker 11: My read on it is I don't think they anticipated
• 58:36
  Speaker 11: Miami being as aggressive as they were defensively.
• 58:39
  Speaker 10: You know that took that.
• 58:40
  Speaker 3: But like you said, you have to be able to
• 58:42
  Speaker 3: adjust in game. You have to as Andy Hart would say,
• 58:45
  Speaker 3: once the game declares itself, you have to adjust.
• 58:49
  Speaker 11: Yeah, Like they're just sending field pressure, like Nickel Blitz's
• 58:52
  Speaker 11: just add Drake all the time. And it's like, eventually,
• 58:55
  Speaker 11: if you start to see those coming and you have
• 58:58
  Speaker 11: a beater ready, and you hit a few of those,
• 59:00
  Speaker 11: they're gonna stop sending pressure from the field because you're
• 59:03
  Speaker 11: gonna carve them up on it, as like Matthew Stafford
• 59:05
  Speaker 11: did when the Patriots splits them a ton.
• 59:07
  Speaker 10: So those are big months.
• 59:09
  Speaker 4: A very specific play not necessarily related to what we're
• 59:12
  Speaker 4: talking about. But there was a third down that Douglas
• 59:17
  Speaker 4: was coming. You know, it looked like he's coming across
• 59:20
  Speaker 4: on an in cut yep. Looked like Drake threw it
• 59:23
  Speaker 4: behind him, like maybe expecting him to go maybe upfield
• 59:26
  Speaker 4: or sit in the zone. Maybe. I don't know, you guys,
• 59:30
  Speaker 4: you know you experts, right, would you guys? See?
• 59:34
  Speaker 11: So I asked around about that play today and asked
• 59:37
  Speaker 11: around a little bit about this this morning because it
• 59:40
  Speaker 11: was something that I noticed on the film was the
• 59:42
  Speaker 11: most egregious thing from an actual execution standpoint, was their
• 59:46
  Speaker 11: handling or lack thereof, of the blitz. And in this offense,
• 59:50
  Speaker 11: this is not a sight adjust the offense. So like
• 59:53
  Speaker 11: when they send pressure in the old offense, then Pop
• 59:56
  Speaker 11: Douglas would have an adjustment to his route to combat
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 11: the pressure, like he might sit in that instance right
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 11: in the void of space, left by the blitz. In
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 11: this offense, they have a designated hot route within the
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 11: concept that when they send pressure, Drake is supposed to
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 11: throw to.
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 10: The hot route.
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 11: But the hot route is a locked route. So Pop
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 11: Douglas on that play is running a slant. He has
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 11: a slant. It doesn't become a you know, a spot
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 11: or a curl or whatever just because it's a blitz.
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 11: A slant's a slant, right, So if he's hot on
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 11: that play, which he was, then he's got to hit
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 11: the slant over the middle of the field. And that's
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 11: exactly what Drake said after the game. He said, I
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 11: missed the throw, you know, And I think those are
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 11: the types of things that I'm adjusting, and we all
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 11: have to adjust within this offense. This isn't the old
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 11: offense where they had all these sight adjustments and route
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 11: conversions and options and things like that. This is a
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 11: different kind of offense that they run now.
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 4: And I just know that based on you know, a
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 4: couple of months here, Drake's gonna take responsibilities. That doesn't
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 4: necessarily mean it was on him, sure, I think he's
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 4: sort of established himself as a guy that's gonna take
• 1:01:00
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  Speaker 19: Marian Marian.
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  Speaker 3: Look.
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  Speaker 19: Yesterday, the NFL removed Jabril from the commissioners exemp list.
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  Speaker 19: He's on the roster. We had an open spot and
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  Speaker 19: fully anticipate him being able to practice soon. The Colts looks.
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  Speaker 4: It's gonna be a huge challenge for us.
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  Speaker 19: I would say defensively, this is one of the better fronts,
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  Speaker 19: more disruptive fronts that we have faced this year. We've
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  Speaker 19: got to do a good job handling the front. Starts
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  Speaker 19: with Buckner, who's been a guy who's played really at
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  Speaker 19: a high level for a very long time. Go to
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  Speaker 19: the second level. You have Franklin back there, and a
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  Speaker 19: third level more and the rest of those guys they're
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  Speaker 19: definitely very good players and they have a very good defense.
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  Speaker 19: I would say offensively, you know, Taylor, he's a problem.
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  Speaker 19: We have to try to, you know, go out there
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  Speaker 19: and really bottle him up. I think one thing about him,
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  Speaker 19: he probably doesn't get the hype that he deserves. But
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  Speaker 19: at the same time, he's a very explosive player and
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  Speaker 19: a very fast player out there on the field, and
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  Speaker 19: it all really runs through him. And saying that, they
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  Speaker 19: definitely have a big arm quarterback, So having a guy
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  Speaker 19: like Joe Milton to run the quarterback for the show
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  Speaker 19: team is definitely gonna be good for us. You know,
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  Speaker 19: they have good receivers, and I think it starts with Pittman.
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  Speaker 19: He's one of those guys that is able to do
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  Speaker 19: to do the dirty work, doesn't shy away from blocking people,
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  Speaker 19: and at the same time he does a good job
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  Speaker 19: catching balls over the middle of the field. He's really
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  Speaker 19: really a fearless guy. Look, they're dealing with some injuries.
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  Speaker 19: We'll see what happens, but we're gonna prepare us if
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  Speaker 19: all those guys are are healthy. You know, when you
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  Speaker 19: talk about downs, you talk about the tackles, like all
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  Speaker 19: that stuff. We're gonna prepare us if they're healthy. And now,
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  Speaker 19: like I told the team, it's about us, It's about us.
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  Speaker 19: And Wednesdays, like you know, days like this, I should say,
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  Speaker 19: we always talk about changing the page. This is a
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  Speaker 19: Wednesday in my world. Uh, we talk about changing the page.
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  Speaker 19: And really our full focus, UH is definitely on the
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  Speaker 19: colts have an opportunity to come back home, which is
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  Speaker 19: always good and it's good to to try to get
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  Speaker 19: this thing back on track with uh.
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  Speaker 16: Jabrill.
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  Speaker 4: You obviously referred to the NFL for so long.
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  Speaker 6: Now now that that's off, what's kind of you have
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  Speaker 6: a timetable in your mind and you have just fit
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  Speaker 6: him playing again.
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  Speaker 5: For you the seasons.
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  Speaker 19: Look, we put out you know, we put the statement
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  Speaker 19: out yesterday from an organizational standpoint of how we you know,
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  Speaker 19: how we want to let this process work itself out. Look,
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  Speaker 19: when Pep is ready to go, hopefully we can we
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  Speaker 19: can get him to again.
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  Speaker 7: Sure, does that mean I mean he has a trial
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  Speaker 7: day in January? Does that mean you're not waiting for
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  Speaker 7: trial his pace to resolve?
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  Speaker 19: To me, I think it's it's just out of respect
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  Speaker 19: of you know, for the legal process to let that
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  Speaker 19: stuff play out. You know, for us inside these these
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  Speaker 19: four walls. Look, as long as he's doing the right thing,
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  Speaker 19: I expect him to come to be able to play
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  Speaker 19: when he's ready to go.
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  Speaker 9: Drog who is all involved in the decision now that
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  Speaker 9: Gabrilla has been reinstated for him to practice and play
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  Speaker 9: given this now and or the organization's.
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  Speaker 19: Power the decision, Yeah, you know, I would. It's a
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  Speaker 19: combination of things. And again I'm grateful for you know
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  Speaker 19: how ownership has allowed Elliott myself to make these type
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  Speaker 19: of types of decisions. You know, we'll see what this
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  Speaker 19: looks like as it continues to play out. But like
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  Speaker 19: I said, you know, our focus is on the Colts.
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  Speaker 7: Said back in our ober, I believe when this first
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  Speaker 7: happened that it would be some kind of internal investigation.
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  Speaker 10: Has something been satisfied.
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 7: From that investigation?
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  Speaker 19: Yeah, I mean, look, I fully understand the question, and look,
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  Speaker 19: the process has to I mean it's going to take time,
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  Speaker 19: you know, the legal process out the building and you
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  Speaker 19: know what we think happened inside the building. But at
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 19: the same time, the NFL has you know, taking them
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  Speaker 19: off of that Commissioner's exemplest, and that's what we have
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  Speaker 19: to roll with.
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  Speaker 14: Evenicipate getting that a kid will wants about.
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  Speaker 19: His practice is for him, he's close. I mean, it's
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 19: kind of the same conversation that we had with, you know,
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  Speaker 19: with bar Moore and the strange of the world. Like
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 19: he's getting closer and closer, and again, once he's ready
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 19: to go, he'll go out there and hopefully help our
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 19: football team some more.
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 14: Question on Peppers. Has he addressed the team as a group?
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 7: Will he do.
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 1: Something like that or is this just sort of he
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 1: arrives and he just takes over back where he was.
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  Speaker 19: I kind of want to, you know, just keep private
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 19: conversations private. Look, he has a good relationship with everyone
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  Speaker 19: in this organization, and we'll just keep all that.
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  Speaker 4: Stuff in house.
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  Speaker 19: Will still be cappity, We'll keep that conversation in the
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  Speaker 19: house as well.
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  Speaker 17: This is the building today to the league, explain to
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  Speaker 17: you why he was removed from the exemplus.
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  Speaker 19: When he was Look, I'm not in those conversations. For me,
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  Speaker 19: it's been about really just trying to get this team
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  Speaker 19: ready to play a big game for us because it's
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  Speaker 19: the next game.
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  Speaker 10: Seeking over it depends a play, find something that.
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  Speaker 14: You'd be open to.
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  Speaker 19: No, look, I'm not the Marcus is doing a good job.
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  Speaker 19: As far as calling plays, it comes down to, you know,
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 19: executing what what play is called a disappointed where.
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  Speaker 14: You with the myscife not for looking on it.
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  Speaker 19: The miscommunications in the secondary from a lot of guys
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  Speaker 19: that have played together before. Yeah, very very disappointing, especially
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  Speaker 19: in critical moments. But the communication has to be better
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  Speaker 19: at the second level and at third level. It was
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 19: very disappointing, especially in the red area. And look, we
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  Speaker 19: just have to get better go off of that with Kyle.
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  Speaker 4: Darker and some of the missteps. Maybe Sunday is any
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  Speaker 4: of that time to.
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  Speaker 14: The ankle injury?
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  Speaker 3: Is that kind of completely independent of that to me?
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  Speaker 19: You know, anytime we put a player out there, he's
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  Speaker 19: healthy enough to play, and if you're healthy enough to play,
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  Speaker 19: then the expectation that you're going to perform at a
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 19: high level.
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  Speaker 14: Coach, it's not a year to year about the rookie wall.
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 7: Did you addressed that with the guys or did you
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 7: just sort of, you know, cross that bridge when the
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  Speaker 7: tech him.
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  Speaker 19: You know, I don't really believe in the rookie wall,
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  Speaker 19: and I don't believe that it happens, you know, in
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  Speaker 19: a certain week. There are certain times throughout the season
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  Speaker 19: that you know, you have your ups and downs and
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  Speaker 19: you just have to have the mental toughness to be
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  Speaker 19: able to push through.
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  Speaker 11: That's their job, and my time covering the team other
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  Speaker 11: than appearances like on NFL Network or something like that,
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  Speaker 11: like in Germany a couple of years ago. Uh, Robert
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  Speaker 11: Craft has never spoken during the season, not a single
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  Speaker 11: time since twenty eighteen. Has he had a press conference
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  Speaker 11: in season? Owners meetings always And that's that's pretty much it.
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  Speaker 11: Like in terms of formal this is a press.
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  Speaker 4: Conference events where he'll appear, you know, when he does,
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  Speaker 4: like the the community MVPs, things like that, some charitable
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  Speaker 4: endeavors and sometimes if there's media there he'll make himself available.
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  Speaker 4: But I agree with Evan. I don't think they're like
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  Speaker 4: formal press conferences with Robert Craft during the season. I
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  Speaker 4: don't think that's something he's.
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  Speaker 11: Ever Listen, that's a good times and you know that
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  Speaker 3: Mean, if you're in Dallas and Jerry Jones is also
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  Speaker 3: the general manager. Okay, so he's talking after every game.
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  Speaker 4: But that's that's the way Jones has always done it.
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  Speaker 4: So if he stopped doing it, that to me would
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  Speaker 4: be a departure from the norm. And I think if
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  Speaker 4: he if all of a sudden, Robert Craft started to
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  Speaker 4: do it, that would be a departure from the norm.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, Trevor and Revere writes in I understand social media
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  Speaker 3: generally represents the loud minority, but I feel as though
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  Speaker 3: there are too many calls for Mayo, AVP and Covington
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  Speaker 3: to be fired. I understand the team hasn't performed well
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  Speaker 3: and some of the mistakes can be attributed to coaching,
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  Speaker 3: but nothing grinds my gears more than attributing every single
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 3: bad play to the scheme. Sometimes the players just aren't
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  Speaker 3: good enough, and we have a poor roster. Do you
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  Speaker 3: see any scenario of a change in the head coach,
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  Speaker 3: OC or DC next year outside of something egregious happening.
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  Speaker 3: I feel the same as I do with QBS. By
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  Speaker 3: the middle of the second year, you'll have a pretty
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  Speaker 3: good sense of who they are. And I have no
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  Speaker 3: interest in being the kind of team that goes through
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  Speaker 3: coaches as quick as Paul goes through DIETPEPSI.
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  Speaker 6: It goes for me back to our point about this
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 6: game this weekend, and I just I wonder if they
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  Speaker 6: lose these last five games and they don't really show anything,
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  Speaker 6: I just I don't know who, but I feel like
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  Speaker 6: a change, even if it's ceremonial, but some kind of
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  Speaker 6: change will have to happen if they If they squeak
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  Speaker 6: out this year. These last five games, you don't see
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  Speaker 6: any progress. They're turning them ball the same thing we
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  Speaker 6: saw last weekend in some you know, different form these
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 6: last five games. And I don't want to put too
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 6: much on it, but I think they need to show
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 6: something where there isn't some kind of change. I don't
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 6: think that's Mayo, but is.
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  Speaker 4: I don't understand why people aren't allowed to evaluate what
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 4: they see like, I don't know why that grinds people's gears.
• 1:14:52
  Speaker 4: You know, I don't think Drid Mayo should be fired.
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 4: I said that earlier in the show. I'll say it again.
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 4: But why can you not look at how they play
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 4: and say, geez, I don't think the offensive coordinator is
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 4: the right guy, or I don't think the defensive coordinator
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 4: is the right guy. Why why you're not allowed to
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 4: do that?
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 3: Well, of course you're allowed to do that, but.
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 4: That's grinding people's gears. We had a call earlier that
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 4: said that he had a rant about it. Now we're
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 4: getting an email and I'm not criticizing these people. That's
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 4: how they feel. But I don't understand why if you
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  Speaker 4: think a.
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  Speaker 3: Guy that you like, the cult should fire Chris Ballad.
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  Speaker 4: I don't know enough about their personnel, But on the
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 4: surface I would say no.
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  Speaker 3: They're all saying that.
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 4: On the surface, I would say no because I think
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 4: they have a reasonably talented roster, right, But I don't
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 4: know enough about it. Maybe they have a lot of
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 4: holes that he hasn't filled. You know, maybe he should.
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  Speaker 4: But my only point is if you decide if you're
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 4: watching a guy and you don't think he's the right guy.
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 4: I don't care if he's in year one or year four,
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 4: It doesn't matter to me. I don't think he's the
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  Speaker 4: right guy, and I don't think that's unfair to say
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  Speaker 4: that he should be.
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  Speaker 3: A valued I think some of the time, some of
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 3: the time, you know, like you don't think he's the
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 3: right guy, just because you're losing games and you want
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 3: to blame somebody. And it's I understand where for some
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 3: people after, you know, when you're in year one of
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 3: this new regime, for already to be calling for people
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 3: to be fired is a little bit so.
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 4: But that's how you and I feel. Yeah, but that
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 4: doesn't mean we're right.
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 3: No, it doesn't mean we're right. But I can understand
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 3: why some people would be frustrated with that, Like, you know, like.
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 4: I don't understand why I would bother people to that extent.
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 11: It's just like every game becomes a referendum on the
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 11: coaching staff, on the operation, and it's you know, you
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 11: gotta look at it as a totality and deduce his point,
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 11: like if there isn't an upward trajectory here in some
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 11: areas of the time, that's all I'm saying, then they have,
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 11: but we let's wait and see what it looks like.
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 11: But you know, in January asked me again, right like,
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 11: I don't think right now making that declaration.
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 3: And I wish I wish we could be at practice
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 3: up and close and personal. I wish I could be there.
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 3: I wish I could hear how these position coaches are
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 3: coaching these players and what Gerard is saying during practice,
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 3: and so I could say, you know, these guys are
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 3: being coached up well, how do you know, like because
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 3: I can see it and hear it.
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 4: Like I'll give you Evan like he's obviously studies some
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 4: of his stuff, but you don't know if the what
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 4: he's what they're being told is the right thing.
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 3: Well, I mean you can you. I mean, like if
• 1:17:19
  Speaker 3: you're sitting on the meetings and have all the information,
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 3: you can say, wow.
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 10: You know yeah.
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 4: I mean I don't bogged down in that. But I
• 1:17:28
  Speaker 4: just feel like there's two there's two camps, and they're
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 4: so far apart. It's almost like politics, like there's no
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 4: room for anything wants, there's no room for any context
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 4: for anything.
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 14: You know.
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 4: One of the things that's really bothering me about the
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 4: criticism that Mayo was getting. Is this thing that Ben
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 4: Voleen has been on a lot like it continued to
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 4: coach scared? So not every time you don't go for
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 4: a fourth down means you're scared, right, Like, do we
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 4: really think it was like a like a black mark
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 4: on the coaching resume to come out in the first
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 4: drive of the game and face a fourth and one
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 4: from your own thirty nine yard line and not go
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 4: for it, Right, maybe you have some faith, Like why
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 4: is that coaching scared? What John Harbaugh did last night
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 4: was to me borderline astounding at the end of the
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 4: first half going for a fourth inches from your own
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 4: sixteen yard line. It was like the first time in
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 4: like thirty years that someone did that in the first
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 4: half of it game that close to their own goal.
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 3: That was me going against my brother.
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 4: Like, I'm not telling you it was the wrong move,
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 4: but I think it was dumb. I think it was
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 4: flat out dumb in a just a wild risk to
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 4: take in a ten to seven game.
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 3: It worked.
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 4: It couldn't have worked any better. Not only they converted,
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 4: they went down and scored a touchdown.
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 10: Right, helps him?
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 3: You have the MVP at quarterback.
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 4: Oh, I mean they got it by this much by
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 4: giving them allowing the tight end to keep the ball.
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 11: No, I just meant the throat of a shot bateman
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 11: at the end of the drive.
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 4: Yeah, But I mean I mean the big player, to
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 4: be honest, the big play in that drive was a Flowers.
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 4: Like they weren't going to get any points, they were
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 4: just running out the clock, and all of a sudden
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 4: he picked up twenty five extra yards with just a
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 4: tremendous run after the catch. But if that means like
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 4: he's not scared, so that's a great thing. That was
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 4: a reckless, wild thing to do, right. I don't want
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 4: my coach going.
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 3: For a fourth and one from his own sixty something
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 3: like that and it didn't work. You'd be calling him
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 3: an idiot, right, you know, so like you can't win.
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 4: I just don't understand. And why not going for a
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 4: fourth and one on the on your own thirty nine
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 4: yard line on the first drive, first possession of the game,
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 4: means you're scared.
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 6: I didn't even realize people criticizing them for that.
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 11: Well, the other one that people aren't ben the other
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 11: one that you heard a lot on Sunday and it
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 11: was about the third and sixteen run to set up
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 11: the field goal, which I didn't like, which in theory,
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 11: like you know, you probably hope that you're going to
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 11: get I think they got four yards on it or
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 11: something like that. But it's also like in nowadays, a
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 11: forty five yard field goal in good condition.
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 4: That's why I didn't like it.
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 10: That should be money in the bank, right, I don't.
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 4: I don't need to have my field goal improved from
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 4: forty eight yards yeah like that. Now if it's fifty eight,
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 4: if they were ten yards back and they ran the
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 4: same play on third and sixteen, I'd have no issue.
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 4: But to me, it's already what Evan said. I'm going
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 4: to make a forty eight yard field goal over eighty
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 4: percent of the time in this league. I got to
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 4: make that field goal. I don't need to worry about
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 4: let's let's let's run the ball, make it a little
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 4: bit easier as on that and try to go for something,
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 4: try to make a play.
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 11: Yeah, I do wonder if they're worried about a sack
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 11: and going backwards out of field goal range. But I
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 11: just I wrote it in the mail bag today that
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 11: Girodd said when they hired the coordinators that he might
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 11: not get all of the hires right the first time through.
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 11: I thought that was really surprising at the time. I know,
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 11: I'm sure we talked about it at the time, but
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 11: you know, he said it himself.
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 10: So be true to that.
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 11: If you're seeing something, whether it's at the coordinator level
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 11: or the position coach level, that you don't think is
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 11: working or you don't think that's right.
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 4: Point, Like, if you don't think it's right, why can
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 4: you not say that? Like why does that have to
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 4: grind everyone's.
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 10: Key, right?
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 11: I mean, like and he only he knows the really
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 11: the answer to that, Like, I don't even think any
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 11: of us are in a position to know if the
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 11: you know, the linebackers coach or the safety's coach, and
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 11: I'm not talking about those guys specifically, but just in general,
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 11: are doing the right job. You know, only Girod can
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 11: really tell you that for sure. And don't be so
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 11: loyal to the Belichick holdovers, Like if you don't think
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 11: Marcus Covington's doing a good job coordinating the defense, then
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 11: hire somebody else, Like, don't just because he's been here
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 11: and he's you know, one of your guys with Bill
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 11: and all that kind of stuff that shouldn't.
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 10: Have any hold on what they do moving forward.
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 3: It's in a very important offseason. Tom in England writes
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 3: in as we turn the page to this week's game,
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 3: please see my list of complaints and gripes from this
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 3: past Sunday's game. Gonzales blitzing fills me with rage every
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 3: time I see it. Coach Mayo needs to stop saying
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 3: it starts with me, and every press conference is just
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 3: infuriating as he doesn't actually do anything afterwards. The will
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 3: Levis Mayonnaise commercial is cringeworthy, the Brock Proty Paw patrol
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 3: commercial is adorable, and finally, Mike but Daniel's wearing shades
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 3: on the sideline fills me with disgust every time I
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 3: see it. The man is a tool. I would pay
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 3: the Dolphins whatever they ask for to have him coach
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 3: the Patriots. So I think he's being funny there.
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I think he's a tool, but he he still.
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 3: Wants him right, Yeah.
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 4: I think he thinks he's a tool, but he thinks
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 4: he's a good coach.
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 11: I love how the one time that Christian Gonzales plits
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 11: on Sunday, Really that was number one on the list,
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 11: but it's the one time in the game and we
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 11: can't have that.
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't have any problem with sending cornerback blitzes.
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 4: I mean, I know his point is not Gonzales, make
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 4: it someone else who's not as valuable in coverage, but.
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 3: Cares El from Wisconsin. Paul's gonna disagree with you a little.
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 4: I think that's okay.
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 3: I'm still so angry about that draw on third and sixteen.
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 3: You're a team who's strugg Maybe he's agreeing. You're a
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 3: team who struggles on offense and you just give up
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 3: and go for a long field goal on a drive
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 3: you actually somehow move it. I'm glad they missed. Scared
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 3: loser coaching doesn't deserve to get rewarded.
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 4: I didn't like the call. I said it to Mike
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 4: at the time. I was like, you know, and there
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 4: was another one that they had a third and long
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 4: later and they max protected. Evan will probably remember exactly
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 4: to play, and I remember they had seven guys, so
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 4: they only guys, And I was like, if you're gonna
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 4: do that, just run the ball. If you're going to
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 4: give up, Like, we can't protect him, so we can't
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 4: throw it. We're gonna just keep everybody in So then
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 4: just run the ball and get off the field and punt.
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 10: Yeah, that one was weird.
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 11: Like, I just there's so many instances in this game,
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 11: and I didn't really feel this way last week against
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 11: the Rams. So I think that's such a just to
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 11: see this happening.
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 4: Why maybe it's coming on the heels of what I
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 4: thought was the best offense.
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 10: Yeah, just like in such a in one week to
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 10: just have it go that way.
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 11: But you know, there's so many instances on this film
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 11: where I was like, if I'm playing quarterback, like where
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 11: am I going with the ball? And it's not just
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 11: because guys are getting not getting open, it's just like
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 11: the design of the play.
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 10: It's just like you know, where where would you if
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 10: you're playing QB.
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 11: You know, the thing that you want is just answers,
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 11: Like you don't want to be back there tentative and
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 11: uncertain and all that type of stuff. You just want
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 11: to have answers to the different problems that the defense
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 11: presents that you whether it's coverage, it splits, it's whatever.
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 11: And in this game, it just looked so often like
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 11: Drake just said no, answers on plays like that play
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 11: was one that stood out.
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 10: To me too.
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 11: Or it's just like there's three guys running basically like
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 11: three vertical routes down the field on third and sixteen.
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 11: There's no check down, there's nothing to be seen underneath
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 11: the defense, and he's just standing back there and he'd
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 11: gets sacked like it's just what he's wanted to do.
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 3: Alyssa from France right sin Mike said not to play
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 3: his locker room song at the beginning of the podcast,
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 3: but I always like to hear it. Don't let him
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 3: choose to skip it. Also, could it be worth giving
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 3: Javon Baker a try now? Sunday's loss was so painful,
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 3: I'd almost be willing to try anything new.
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 6: They're giving him a little I mean a little bit.
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 6: I mean it's not a lot, but I think in
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 6: their way, they're giving him a chance right now.
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 4: I this is We talked about this in the postgame
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 4: show a little Freddy, Like, does anybody really think Javon
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 4: Baker was burning it up at practice and just not
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 4: getting a chance.
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 3: No, I have no idea.
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 4: Like Kayshawn Booty was inactive to start the year, now
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 4: plays a regular significant role almost every every week if
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 4: you're doing it on the practice field and you're earning
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 4: playing time one, So is he the one guy that
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 4: you just have something out they have something against, Like,
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 4: I just can't imagine that he's doing all the things
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 4: that he needs to do in practice and they're saying,
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 4: you know what, I don't care you're playing well in practice,
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 4: You're not gonna play.
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 6: It's just part of where we're running out of people
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 6: to turn to and those like.
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 4: It's always the guy who I haven't seen him, So
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 4: it's always the you know, just aren't those uncovered gem.
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 10: Yeah, I don't necessarily.
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 11: Think that Javon Baker has done anything to earn what
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 11: I'm about to say. But Kaishan Bouti is out there
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 11: running thirty four routes the most of any player on
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 11: the team, and he is running sprints out there not
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 11: getting open Like, oh.
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 4: There's just absolutely whole different argument whether or no he.
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 11: Ran thirty four routes, was targeted four times, caught one
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 11: pass for six yards, and that's your starting X receiver
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 11: right like that, that's the guy that plays the most
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 11: snap on your team at that position.
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 4: Don't misunderstand that comment that I just made with me
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 4: saying I don't think Javon Baker should play well I
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 4: am not at practice, And I look at it and say,
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 4: kind of what the emailer said, like his point, and
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 4: I'm not just turning this around. I'm just saying I
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 4: can't think that he's doing great in practice. But at
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 4: this point, I just wonder, well, what's the difference. What
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 4: do you get to lose? Right?
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 11: I mean, that's sort of my point that I'm getting
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 11: at is like you might as well just see what
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 11: Javon Baker has at this point, because Geijon Boodie is
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 11: not doing anything to anymore. You know, you had a
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 11: couple of nice plays that early on when Drake started,
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 11: you know, in Jacksonville and the touchdown against Houston. But
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 11: outside of those couple of plays, it really is just
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 11: a whole lot of it.
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 4: Seems like teams have sort of said that they're going
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 4: to take a deep shot to him every once in
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 4: a while, so you got you gotta watch him. Yeah,
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 4: he has not created any separation on those Like on the.
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 11: One deep shot they took to him, there's just no bucket,
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 11: Like there's no place to put the ball on that
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 11: throw for Drake, and so it's just some point you
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 11: got to give some of the other guys a chance
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 11: out there.
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 3: Dan in Lynchburg writes in he says, I am not
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 3: in the Belluminati, and I have no desire to even
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 3: consider bringing him back. On the contrary, I don't think
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 3: the team has distanced himself from him enough. I would
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 3: agree with that Mayo hire was clearly intended to maintain
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 3: consistency and, in my opinion, the legacy of the old
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 3: Patriot way, But removing the architect of that old culture
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 3: from the organization replacing him with an untested disciple of
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 3: that old culture was not going to make enough of
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 3: a difference. Case in point, many of the same coaches,
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 3: especially on the defensive side of the ball, that were
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 3: in place over the past few years when the team
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 3: struggled mightily with penalties, discipline, etc. Are still here. A
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 3: few were even promoted. Why would we expect any improvement
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 3: to the team's lack of discipline on the field when
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 3: the coaching staff is still largely the same as it's
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 3: been the past few years. I like Jerad as a person,
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 3: but I have not liked his hire from day one,
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 3: and I hope there is a chance the ownership group
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 3: reconsiders the direct to the team before too much time
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 3: is wasted. And yes, obviously the roster is inadequate too.
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 3: I just think coaching is an area that could have
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 3: and should have been approved in twenty twenty four and
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 3: was not.
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 11: I think it's a tough thing to say that the
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 11: coaching was going to get better in twenty twenty four,
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 11: Like as much as we all thought it was time
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 11: with Bill, to say that the coaching was going to
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 11: get better with the first time head coach over the
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 11: greatest coach of all time is a big stretch. I
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 11: think what they were hoping was that it was going
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 11: to be a different type of coaching in a different
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 11: vibe here in the building, and then obviously, you know,
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 11: upgrades personnel wise. I don't think anybody expected the coaching
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 11: to be better from like a x's and o's perspective, And.
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 6: I don't really fault Gerrod for trying to be like Bill.
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 6: I think my biggest criticism is that they're still trying
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 6: to run Bill's defense without Bill, and I don't and
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 6: I think it's missing the key ingredient, which is Bill.
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I was talking more about all the holdovers. But yeah, yeah,
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 4: than what, Yeah, I agree with you.
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  Speaker 6: I don't think the program. They're not coming in and trying.
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 6: I think that was some of the criticism for Josh
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 6: when he was in Denver, you know, was it's gonna
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 6: come in and try to be a you know, hard
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 6: knows and you know, get guys to do stuff, and
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 6: you know, I think Mayo has done his own thing.
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 6: But I just it's it's hard. It's hard to extricate
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 6: extricate yourself from Bill's system and everything that he did
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 6: on defense, and I understand why they kept those guys around.
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 6: But at the end of the day, I think what
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 6: made that defense special was every week Bill decided what
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 6: he wanted to do with it, and they had the
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 6: pieces to do multiple different things and it was him
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 6: that was able to do it. And now you see
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 6: feels like you're kind of trying to do that with
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 6: not the same kind of depth of knowledge that that
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 6: Bill Belichick had.
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 10: Yeah, I think you had to.
• 1:30:05
  Speaker 11: You see it with individual players, especially Johnny deVie. I
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 11: think has had a horrible year. Johnny Devies a much
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 11: better football player than what he's shown. But I think
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 11: Bill just had that magic dust of Okay, I know
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 11: what this guy's weaknesses are. This is how we're going
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 11: to keep him out of those positions, and we're only
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 11: going to put him in positions to succeed. And so
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 11: he's this like, you know, they I forget what they
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 11: call it his role. I think adjuster is what they
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 11: call it. And so it's like an on and off
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 11: the line of scrimmage roll. But they're not having him
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 11: drop in the middle of his own defense, you know, eight, ten,
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 11: twelve yards off the ball, and then have to cover
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 11: guys coming across the middle of the field under Belichick
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 11: as much as they are now. And so you just
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 11: see a lot of these individual guys, you know, to
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 11: buy dugger, you know, those players Mapu like they just did.
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 11: Those guys were these hybrid like tweener types that Bill
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 11: just knew exactly how to use. And I just don't
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 11: know if anybody else does besides him.
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 6: And so that's what's kind of concerning me right now.
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 6: I think I made the point last week about free
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 6: agency this year, where they don't have a lot of
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 6: players to sign, so they have money to spend on
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 6: the outside. But I think the flip side of that
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 6: coin that I've been kind of ruminating on is that
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 6: this whole team's coming back next year, like and there's
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 6: no easy cuts, Like there's a lot of guys who
• 1:31:21
  Speaker 6: just got new contracts who are big dead money pieces.
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 6: So on one hand, it's say, yeah, we got everybody,
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 6: but I think they're gonna have some hard decisions in
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 6: the other way next year, where I mean, I just
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 6: I looked at the cab page and I'm like, so
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 6: if you had to cut somebody, who would have there's
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 6: nobody easy to cut next year, Like all these guys
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 6: are still in the beginning of their deals that they retain.
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 6: And I'd also say what I said to Evan most
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 6: disappointing is these guys right almost to a man, except
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 6: for Hunter Henry, and I'd argue maybe Anthony Jennings, so
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 6: I think has been kind of similar to what he
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 6: was last year. But everybody else that you signed up
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 6: for has had a bad year, has had gone downhill
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 6: this year. Nobody's improved. None of those guys that you
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 6: signals as these are our captains, these are our future leaders.
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 6: None of those guys have excelled this year. And that's
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 6: that's scary. It's you know, how are we going to
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 6: make a team next year?
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 3: So let's go down that list.
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 4: More bar more right, Peppers Peppers, Peppers to buy Steve Henry?
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 4: When who born Stevenson. Mike's not wrong. Well, I would
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 4: argue virtually every one of those guys, Henry was Henry,
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 4: He's one, he is better.
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 6: Henry is the one. And Jennings, I would say, and that,
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 6: but that's but Jennings what he.
• 1:32:40
  Speaker 10: Is, I mean, he's that's another one of those.
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 4: He also didn't cost any money in fairness, you.
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 11: Know, and I get it that they don't necessarily have
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 11: like a great third down option to take him off
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 11: the field. But Bill looked at Anthony Jennings was like,
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 11: he's going to play first down and maybe second down,
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 11: and then we're going to get our pass pressures on
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 11: the field for third down. And now Jennings is like
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 11: an every down player, but he's not an every down player.
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 11: So it's a personnel issue. But I also think it's
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 11: you know, you got to identify guys strengths and weaknesses
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 11: and what they bring to the table. Outside of the
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 11: Bears game, which everybody got pressure in, Anthony Jennings has
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 11: not gotten any pressure on the quarterback.
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 4: But like dugger Born, when who Tavi have been marketly
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 4: lesser players than they were A no, but if you
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 4: cut the vay, you're not that's not a lot of
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 4: I'm not talking about the money.
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 3: I don't know, but he said there's a lot of
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 3: dead money.
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 4: But but his Mike's point is you just signed all
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 4: those guys, so now it's throwing good money after bad
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 4: if you cut them. Well, I don't care about the
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 4: cap as you know.
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 3: I don't think cutting these guys is going.
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 4: To kill you. Okay, Well, and I think nineteen million
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 4: that you're rowing who was not going to help you.
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think this year, I think I get what
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 3: they were trying to do. And I don't know that
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 3: this is what this is just from the outside looking in.
• 1:33:57
  Speaker 3: They were trying to he was trying to get his
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 3: guys like we're going to extend you. You're going to
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 3: be our guy, you know, And he was trying to keep,
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 3: you know, get that locker room together, create his circle
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 3: the wagon guys. And maybe maybe it's helped inside the
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 3: locker room, but they're not performing on the field, like
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 3: you said. And but I don't know if that was
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 3: like that's sole reason why these guys were signed. You know,
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 3: I think that this was a rebuilding year and next
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 3: year when you have the if they're back, you're going
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 3: to have other guys around them that are going to
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 3: pick up the slack and and make them better. But
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 3: these aren't the guys that make other people better.
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 6: And that's what's disappointing.
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 4: I think, you know, but I.
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 3: Don't think that that was the intention.
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 4: It's just me looking on the outside, But I mean,
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 4: what what Mike is talking about is the reason I
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 4: was so antick. I kept saying, running it back on
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 4: a four and thirteen.
• 1:34:53
  Speaker 3: Teams, but you had to have you had to you
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 3: had to feel the team this year.
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I know, but you didn't have to feel it
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 4: with the same guys you fielded with last year.
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 13: Yeah.
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 4: I mean you basically changed the course.
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 3: But when you come in with a new regime, you're
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 3: behind the eight ball. And so I just I think
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 3: time was against them. I think they just they needed
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 3: to feel the team.
• 1:35:10
  Speaker 4: Shouldn't have been behind the eight ball. I mean it
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 4: was well orchestrated ahead of time.
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 13: Yeah.
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 10: I just wonder like, what is like, what is their
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 10: type of player?
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 3: Now?
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 11: I think That's the part that worries me the most
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 11: is because this regime we all kind of agree, is
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 11: going to have another shot at this offseason. So they're
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 11: gonna have one hundred and thirty million dollars in cap space,
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 11: the most in the league to go out there and
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 11: spend a bunch of cash. Not going to use the
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 11: phrase spend a bunch of cash. Yeah, And so you
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 11: have one hundred and thirty million dollars, like what is
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 11: a defensive end in Gerardmeo and DeMarcus Covington's scheme because
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 11: the defense Bill for.
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 10: Better or Worse?
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 11: Bill had his types right, so like he was six,
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 11: so he knew who he was going to go after.
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 6: Twenty six year old mermaid what was twenty four year
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 6: old mermaids? But you're part of the problem to Evan,
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 6: I feel like, is that these guys all fit that system.
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 6: And now it's like, well, how many of these three
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 6: year contract guys that they resigned aren't quite don't aren't
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 6: quite schematic fits right now? Yeah, Stevenson, when you maybe
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 6: kind of dugger.
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 11: I mean we've been pounding the table about those two
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 11: guys since they they resigned them, and you know about
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 11: the scheme fit and all that kind of stuff. Now,
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 11: I thought on one who played really well in this game.
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 11: I thought it was probably one of his better games.
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 11: So maybe he's settling back in now that he's playing
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 11: guard full time again. But I just I look at
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 11: all these guys and it's like, Okay, well, if you're
• 1:36:37
  Speaker 11: going to be an outside zone team, then don't you
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 11: need athletic cole strange type of offensive lineman.
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 3: He's coming back.
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 4: He's coming back just in time to have a decision
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 4: to make on his fifty year option.
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 11: But then start drafting those types of guys because in
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 11: the draft they drafted Kiden Wallace and Laden Robinson, who
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 11: are not slender, athletic, you know, great moving offensive lineman,
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 11: so that those guys were drafted to play in a
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 11: gap scheme, right, but you're running a wide zone scheme.
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 6: That's why I feel like this year with the defense,
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 6: like you have to recommit. And I don't know, maybe
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 6: No Sucks was talking about this today where their defense
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 6: has kind of become a jack of I mean, try
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 6: to be a jack of all trades master or um,
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 6: where they have to recommit to like what is your
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 6: base defense look like to your point ev conversation is event, Tommy,
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 6: who is the you know what is are we going
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 6: to just get an up the field right defensive end
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 6: that just go get the court?
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 4: Like do you switch to that?
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 6: It's easier to coach.
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 4: But his point is a good one, like what is
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 4: their prototype for all these different spots? Like we kind
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 4: of knew it from Bill because of twenty plus years. Yeah, yeah,
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 4: you know the you know Phil Perry's prototypical Patriots.
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 11: You had measurables and I thought they drafted outside of Drake.
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 10: Who.
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 11: I don't know if Bill would have drafted Drake. I
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 11: feel like that's everybody's million dollar question.
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 4: I don't think he would have.
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 10: Yeah, just because of the raw the raw tools.
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 11: But Jalen Polk, Leyden Robinson, Cayden Wallace, like those all
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 11: felt like the same scout that they have been doing.
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 11: Like they drafted Jalen Polk because he was supposed to
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 11: be this reliable, steady block blocking you know.
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 4: All that flashy fancy get right.
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 10: You know, I'm not Lad McConkey.
• 1:38:18
  Speaker 4: We'll take the flashy fancy guy who's damaged goods in
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 4: the fourth round. You know who's got right? Some people
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 4: have had flags on them, so we can get them
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 4: for a lesser value. Yeah. Yeah, to Evan's point, that's
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 4: kind of the way we used to do things.
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah, JACKI and Abba. Last Thursday, Fred confidently declared that
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 3: the lack of the week was that the Colts would
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 3: beat the seven and a half points spread against the
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 3: favorite Lions in Indianapolis on Sunday. The Lions held the
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 3: Coats to two Measley field goals on their way to
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 3: a twenty four to sixth victory. What sayest thou, now,
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 3: sir Fred, I would say, look at that score. I
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 3: was onto something. The Lions only scored twenty four points.
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 3: They've been pasting people.
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 4: I know. But it's not like you came close to
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 4: covering the spread.
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 3: No, but they if the Colts that could have done
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 3: at least something on offense, they would have covered that spread.
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 4: Do you think maybe Detroit might have done more on
• 1:39:10
  Speaker 4: offense if they had to.
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 3: Nope. They love running it up, you know, they know.
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 4: I'm just saying if they could have run it up,
• 1:39:17
  Speaker 4: they would have. I would agree with you. I think
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 4: that they've been on a mission to run it up.
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 3: Yep.
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 4: But the game wasn't really close on paper.
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 3: But that was that was a weird game.
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 4: It was like a three hundred and eighty to one
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 4: and fifty kind of totally.
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 3: I'm not going to be all right. So I'm fourteen
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 3: and one, so I'm not going to be right.
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 4: I just wanted you to admit that you had one loss.
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 4: That's all I was looking for. Thank you.
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 3: I was onto something.
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 4: All right.
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 3: Let's go back to the TPX hotline eight five to
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 3: five pass five hundred Eddie in LA. What's up? Eddie?
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 13: Hey, what's up?
• 1:39:47
  Speaker 7: Guys?
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 3: Thanks for holding listen.
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 8: I got a three part trivia question to ask.
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 14: But I do want to defense like it.
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 8: He did draft positions as need and then he tried
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 8: to upgrade the receiver position, and when he resigned our
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 8: own players, we were kind of good with.
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 4: It back then, Paul wasn't.
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 8: So just a little defense of Elliot Woolf.
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and no one's criticizing that the draft picks by position.
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 4: Some people have been critical of the individual that they chose.
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 11: Yeah, I mean at the time when they drafted Jalen Polk,
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 11: both Duce and I are kind of subdued reaction. I
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 11: remember us talking about it the next day, being like
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 11: I feel like you guys.
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 4: Talked yourselves into it. You didn't love it at the time.
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 11: Yeah, I feel like we kind of were a little
• 1:40:32
  Speaker 11: hard on the Jalen Polk pick.
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 10: But it just I didn't expect him to be like this.
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 2: I did.
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 4: I didn't either. No, Dad didn't love the pick, but
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 4: I didn't expect that. But I you know, I just
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 4: I just didn't think this is weird. But I mean,
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 4: you know, Eddie, there were some wide receivers available in
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 4: that area that they could have had that you know,
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 4: some of them. Yeah, So no one's criticizing that he
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 4: had to pick players at positions because he did.
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 6: That was what he needed. That's what I mean going
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 6: into that draft that we said they're going to go
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 6: QB wide receiver, ol like they.
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 4: Needed to tackle. I just didn't want Kayden Wallace in
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 4: the third round. I wanted a tackle glaring.
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 8: Stake was not addressing left tackle.
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 14: That was obviously a glaring mistake.
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 3: Ye, thank you.
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 15: Oh called back.
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 4: I need that. I need that like I need air.
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 4: I need that three thing, like I need that three
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 4: part trivia question.
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 3: Eddie, Please call back finger quick finger. We got time
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 3: Kendalls in North Carolina what's up, Kendall?
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 5: Okay, how you guys doing.
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 14: Hey Kennel, Hey, I got a question.
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 5: Looking at the matchup for some that you with the Coats,
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 5: how you think we match up with these big wide receivers.
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 5: I know Josh down is probably going to be out.
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 5: I think report report that. So you got Alex Pearce,
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 5: Michael Pittman, and A D. Mintchell. That's my first question.
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 5: How you think we match up there? You know last
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 5: weekend was a speed matchup, but this week I'm not
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 5: gonna say slower the Stivers, but it.
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 4: Definitely bigger, bigger guys.
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 14: Yeah.
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 15: Yeah.
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 5: My second question is have y'all well just remains for Evan,
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 5: but y'all all y'all can answer.
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 8: Have you seen.
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 5: Anythings from ad menteal with the Coats that send it on?
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 5: Have you said anything that that that tell you that
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 5: he would have been a better fit here with the
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 5: Patriots over the Jalem Pope? Thanks?
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 6: Uh?
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 11: Yeah, you know, I'm actually less concerned about the receivers
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 11: and more concerned about their run game, to be honest
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 11: with you, because Richards, Yeah, you know, you start looking
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 11: at some of the things that they do in their
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 11: run game with their option package. It's pretty it's pretty
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 11: good stuff, you know. They they ran against the chests.
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 11: They ran like a triple option, like an actual triple
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 11: option where they had three options for him to go
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 11: to on one play, and he actually, I think he
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 11: flipped it to Downs like down the field. It was
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 11: like ten yards down the field already and then he
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 11: pitched it to Downs and and he got, you know,
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 11: an extra fifteen to twenty yards off of it. So
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 11: I just look at the way that they you know,
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 11: read option RPO like those types of designs. But the
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 11: way the Patriots middle of the field guys just can't
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 11: keep their eyes on their heads straight that that concerns
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 11: me more than them throwing jump balls to Michael Pittman
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 11: and Ady Mitchell.
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  Speaker 3: And to be in today's NFL to be less than
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 3: fifty percent in your completions.
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm a little worried about Pierce only because not
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 4: because I think he's gonna catch five or six passes.
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 4: He might, he might catch two. Yeah, and he's been
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 4: a disappointment in fairness, all right, but big play guy.
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 4: He averages over twenty yards to catch and all it
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 4: takes is one. You don't have to go five for
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 4: five with him. You just go one for five and
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 4: you have one of them is a sixty five yard touchdown.
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 6: It's got to be on their mind, though. We get
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 6: Marcus Jones trying to get them matched up downfield, take
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 6: a shot on them. It's five eight.
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 4: I mean, Gonzales is the only one that would feel good.
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 4: But the size, because because Gonzo is big enough for
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 4: either one of those guys.
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 10: I would say we could see Alex Austin.
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 6: We didn't.
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 11: We didn't see him last week because of the matchup,
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 11: but this week, especially if Josh Downs doesn't.
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 4: Play, which it looks like he's not.
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 10: Yeah, it feels like.
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 11: Maybe this isn't quite as much of a Marcus Jones
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 11: type of game because of the size of those receivers.
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 4: And Mitchell's been okay, you know, he's clearly the fourth guy,
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 4: which again with twenty catches, Yeah, something like that.
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 6: So I got a touchdown.
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 11: It's so hard to tell, like you know, to answer
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 11: the question, uh, you know here he to get so
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 11: much more opportunity, So it's hard to say.
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 4: I heard someone say, you know, like give Jalen Polk
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 4: some some rope here, you know, like Julian Edelman didn't
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 4: hit right away.
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 3: First of a quarterback.
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 4: Julian Edelman was a quarterback, seventh round pick, seventh round who,
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 4: by the way, caught forty some odd passes his rookie year,
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 4: but also was joining a team that had welcome Andy
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 4: Moss and you know, and Moss like, you can't just
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 4: that's not the same thing. Now, Julian Edelman did not
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 4: come on to this as a starter in week one,
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 4: with all the opportunities that he was given that Polk
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 4: was given. I don't think it's an apples to apples comparison.
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 3: Eddie's back on the line. Sorry about that, Eddie. Go
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 3: ahead with your number two.
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 8: Oh yeah, my trivia question. It's a three pot question
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 8: nineteen eighty five. Oh, I'm pretty sure Paul's going to
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 8: nail it.
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 4: But it's a lot of pressure.
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 8: Who was the opponent of the last game of the
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 8: year when that got us.
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 4: The wild card spot Cincinnati?
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 13: Of course?
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 3: All right?
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 8: The fourth in one play and player that stealed.
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 4: The game, Robert Weathers down the sideline, touched him.
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 10: On, challenge him a little bit, all right?
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 4: And his number twenty four?
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 8: All right? I Paul would yellis.
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 4: Paul I feel so much better.
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 10: All right, thank you, I feel we appreciate the call.
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 3: But now.
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 4: Paul, well he had already called me with that question.
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 10: No did I take this, sir?
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 3: Eldred in North Carolina? What's up? Eldred?
• 1:45:48
  Speaker 13: Hey, fella, hell y'all doing today?
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 3: All right?
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 13: I'm just like everybody else and Eddie, I'm gonna disagree
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 13: with you, bit bro. Aighty Mitch will been a hell
• 1:45:59
  Speaker 13: a lot better than what we got with Pope h
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 13: he a thriving, thriving.
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 14: That much with Richardson.
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 13: But when Flacke was in there, he did and he'd
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 13: like the heap.
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 3: Been I X.
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 13: But that's that down on that question for Evan. Yes, sir,
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 13: I know you said like we should try everybody or
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 13: anybody from right now. So what about just John Jiles
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 13: on the practice squad six three? You say, I think
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 13: you said he was like another speed but he got
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 13: more catches I know, just in college today pro but
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 13: anybody better than what we got now as received?
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 3: What are you think?
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 4: Yeah?
• 1:46:41
  Speaker 11: So you know, he to me is like a perfect
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 11: scout team receiver because he's got a really good mold
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 11: of like size and speed. So if you're trying to
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 11: mimic guys that have those types of traits, Like that's
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 11: why you keep guys like John Giles around. I don't
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 11: think they have any holds, any plans, just like football instincts,
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 11: hands like good, you know, like the actual like details
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 11: of playing the position.
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 10: Good, great athlete.
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 11: Like I'm not trying to rail on the guy, But
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 11: that's why those guys they make out really good scout
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 11: team players because they can mimic guys like that, but
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 11: they're not quite you know, those types of.
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 4: I said, we go with the all practice squad team
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 4: this week, you know, Caleb Jones, John Giles, Ken Giles.
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 6: Something like.
• 1:47:28
  Speaker 11: I think Trent Brown is like a little bit bigger
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 11: than Caleb Jones was like wider and just like more.
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 6: Uh. It looks hard, but it's hard to be that big,
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 6: like just lugging your whole like he's just it takes
• 1:47:40
  Speaker 6: a lot to move when you're six nine.
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 3: Uh, Danny's in Daytona Beach.
• 1:47:45
  Speaker 4: What's up, Danny, Daytona?
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 6: Oh yeah, hello Danny.
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 8: So I have a couple I have a couple of planks.
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 14: I want to talk about Elliott Wolf and uh and
• 1:48:01
  Speaker 14: drawing mao, I know a.
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 15: Lot of people were saying, Oh, they shouldn't be fired,
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 15: or maybe.
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 14: They should be fired.
• 1:48:08
  Speaker 15: I personally think they should.
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 13: I listened to a lot of Zolac and Burttanna, I
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 13: didn't do that.
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 3: He's still there.
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 6: I don't know what happened, he said, Zolac and just yea.
• 1:48:25
  Speaker 3: So we'll go from Daytona Beach down thankat beach. John's there,
• 1:48:29
  Speaker 3: what's up.
• 1:48:29
  Speaker 15: John, Patty everyone. I was at the last two UH
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 15: Patriots games prior to this one on Sunday, and just
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 15: my emotional kind of fan reactions to the situation. Those
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 15: other two games from last year and the year before
• 1:48:50
  Speaker 15: they didn't go very well, but there was just something
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 15: about this one that felt like a little bit worse
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 15: than all that, and I just I kind of left feeling,
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 15: you know, no comments about the scheme, no comments about
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 15: the team, ra just kind of the little I would
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 15: say Crestfall would be my be my word of Troy's
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 15: walking walking to my car. So yeah, just sharing my
• 1:49:13
  Speaker 15: very emotional, non strategic, non dramatic fan reaction.
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Crestfall, sad and disappointed.
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 10: I didn't google that one.
• 1:49:21
  Speaker 4: Feel that it was hard that way after back.
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 6: Yeah, I just I feel a little disappointed right now,
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 6: just that I was hoping that that we come out
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 6: of this season with multiple sparks, you know, multiple like
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 6: just and I don't need a lot, but you know,
• 1:49:34
  Speaker 6: a handful of guys that something new, something exciting, and
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 6: we certainly have that with Drake, and that's that's a
• 1:49:39
  Speaker 6: big important piece of it. But I just I think
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 6: it's getting to be too late in the season to
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 6: truly believe anything that a player shows over these last
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 6: five games is really indicative of who that player is
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 6: going to be. Maybe someone will have a good game
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 6: or flash, but it's hard to have enough opportunity over
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 6: these five games to really see someone string it together
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 6: and be like, all right, Caden Wallace, you know, like
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 6: he played those last two games like he looked, you know, like,
• 1:50:03
  Speaker 6: it's just it's hard to get there.
• 1:50:04
  Speaker 11: I don't know we you know, other than the guys
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 11: that are you know, just like they're reliables like Hunter
• 1:50:10
  Speaker 11: Henry for example. I feel good about two players on
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 11: this entire team, Drake and Christian Gonzales and literally everybody else.
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 11: I kind of just feel like is I mean, like
• 1:50:20
  Speaker 11: Kean White has his moments I think where he's maybe
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 11: a little a little bit more than an average NFL starter. Uh,
• 1:50:27
  Speaker 11: certainly in the interior pass rush. He he looks like
• 1:50:31
  Speaker 11: a problem for a lot of offensive linemen. But other
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 11: than that, I'll give him two and a half in
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 11: terms of like, yeah, when he gets back, I mean.
• 1:50:40
  Speaker 4: Yeah, can we see if he gets it back.
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 11: I kind of wonder with him too, with Barmore, like,
• 1:50:45
  Speaker 11: I'm sure he wants to be out there, but he's
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 11: clearly a compromise.
• 1:50:48
  Speaker 3: Like he's like Marcus Jones. I think he's a good player.
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 3: I don't know about you guys.
• 1:50:53
  Speaker 4: I think he's he's an exceptional punt returner.
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 10: Yeah, so that helps, yea almost just for just force
• 1:51:02
  Speaker 10: really help.
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 11: Doesn't look like the same guy at all, which I'm
• 1:51:06
  Speaker 11: not holding Christian Barmore, which I'm not holding against him
• 1:51:09
  Speaker 11: one bit.
• 1:51:10
  Speaker 4: I'm just wondering if it's something like is there something
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 4: in his medical handling here that is preventing him from
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 4: working out slash you know whatever. He doesn't look like
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 4: he's in.
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 10: Jape right, Yeah, this is not a critique.
• 1:51:25
  Speaker 4: He shouldn't be in shape. He hasn't done anything in
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 4: three months, cloths, So I'm wondering if Is there something
• 1:51:30
  Speaker 4: about that that's going to prevent him from being the
• 1:51:33
  Speaker 4: player he was.
• 1:51:35
  Speaker 11: Yeah, there's just no strength or like explosiveness to his
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 11: movements right now like he used to see.
• 1:51:40
  Speaker 4: You know, he comes crestfall has nothing to find Crestfallen.
• 1:51:46
  Speaker 4: Like Mike on Christian Barboy's sack, he just looks and
• 1:51:50
  Speaker 4: he goes, Man, that was awfully late in the dawn.
• 1:51:55
  Speaker 10: I mean, Mike, really good coverage Biken Zoe.
• 1:51:59
  Speaker 4: And to your point, I believe that was all set
• 1:52:01
  Speaker 4: up by Keon White. I think Keon White had immediate
• 1:52:04
  Speaker 4: pressure on the inside which kind of forced to it
• 1:52:06
  Speaker 4: to move up a little bit and the move.
• 1:52:08
  Speaker 11: Yes, some moments in the in the interior pass rush
• 1:52:11
  Speaker 11: that Keon White looks like a dude, There's no doubt about.
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 6: That, and like just to like pull some positivity like
• 1:52:16
  Speaker 6: as bad as that offside so infroony Jenning's like he
• 1:52:18
  Speaker 6: continues to show up as an NFL edge setter like
• 1:52:21
  Speaker 6: he does that. I feel like I just don't see
• 1:52:23
  Speaker 6: it he does that, and I would I don't think
• 1:52:25
  Speaker 6: we gave credit like to Mapo. I thought that the
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 6: punch out was a nice play by Mapo too.
• 1:52:29
  Speaker 4: You know that was that was, yeah, he said Hunter Henry.
• 1:52:32
  Speaker 10: Yeah, like I'm like I take out, I take out
• 1:52:35
  Speaker 10: like not been good.
• 1:52:37
  Speaker 11: Hunter Henry's of the world, who are just kind of
• 1:52:39
  Speaker 11: solid NFL players, right, been this year relative to the
• 1:52:43
  Speaker 11: contract they gave him, or just relative.
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 4: To relative to him? Has he been as good as
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 4: he was last year? Like this is like you could
• 1:52:50
  Speaker 4: just say everybody's good the last two weeks, not have
• 1:52:53
  Speaker 4: any idea why they have three and nine, but that
• 1:52:55
  Speaker 4: these guys haven't played well.
• 1:52:57
  Speaker 11: The last two weeks have been better for one and
• 1:52:59
  Speaker 11: all the inside outside, inside, outside could not have helped
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 11: his development.
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 4: He's one of the penalties. Yeah, like in a better game,
• 1:53:06
  Speaker 4: he's getting called for holding.
• 1:53:07
  Speaker 11: But uh, it's uh, it's relatively I have a tough
• 1:53:11
  Speaker 11: time stomaching the fact that they're paying him nineteen million
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 11: dollars a year to play guard. So like, if they're
• 1:53:17
  Speaker 11: going to do that, then he better be a damn
• 1:53:19
  Speaker 11: good guard.
• 1:53:19
  Speaker 4: Like you can't better just have him and not a
• 1:53:21
  Speaker 4: hell to worry about it. And that hasn't been the case.
• 1:53:23
  Speaker 3: I had a bread I meant to say a Godshaw, Yeah,
• 1:53:27
  Speaker 3: Godshaw has played well.
• 1:53:28
  Speaker 10: He's for his role.
• 1:53:29
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, he's okay, but he's a much better
• 1:53:32
  Speaker 4: example than Godshaw.
• 1:53:33
  Speaker 11: To me, is a perfect example of what I'm talking
• 1:53:35
  Speaker 11: about with Hunter Henry, Like in their role, in their
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 11: capacity very reliable veteran players in this league.
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 10: Are they game changers? Do they move the needle?
• 1:53:45
  Speaker 11: Like for the Patriots, you know those Blue Chippers there
• 1:53:48
  Speaker 11: is you know, it's two guys, it's Drake and Gonza.
• 1:53:50
  Speaker 4: Like, I'm glad they have Hunter Henry because Drake May
• 1:53:53
  Speaker 4: is playing right like, Hunter Henry could have the exact
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 4: same first twelve games if Brissette was playing all like,
• 1:54:00
  Speaker 4: be like, what's the difference. I'm glad they have him
• 1:54:04
  Speaker 4: for May because I think it's important that he has
• 1:54:07
  Speaker 4: a professional veteran who's gonna do the right thing ninety
• 1:54:11
  Speaker 4: nine percent of the time, and that's what Henry's been.
• 1:54:13
  Speaker 3: Xavier in Jamaica right said, I'm not a football expert,
• 1:54:16
  Speaker 3: but I see the obvious talent in Drake May. He's
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 3: clearly got a lot of tools. He's like to be
• 1:54:20
  Speaker 3: able to make it as a top ten quarterback in
• 1:54:22
  Speaker 3: the league. I like Mac, but it's apparent that Drake
• 1:54:25
  Speaker 3: is more talented. So it was a good decision. I'm
• 1:54:28
  Speaker 3: concerned though, with May's tendency to lose the ball via
• 1:54:32
  Speaker 3: fumbles or interceptions. Right now, I'm putting it down to
• 1:54:34
  Speaker 3: being a rookie, but I hope it's not something inherent
• 1:54:37
  Speaker 3: in him that he can ever change. He's not tucking
• 1:54:40
  Speaker 3: the ball in situations where it's clear he's going to
• 1:54:42
  Speaker 3: be sacked and ends up losing it. Need to fix
• 1:54:44
  Speaker 3: that there. The more worrying thing is the interceptions and
• 1:54:48
  Speaker 3: the moments of clutch. It's happened multiple times now, and
• 1:54:52
  Speaker 3: I know he's trying to win the game, but not
• 1:54:54
  Speaker 3: all of those players were fourth downs. We had multiple
• 1:54:57
  Speaker 3: downs left and time on the clock, but he's still
• 1:55:00
  Speaker 3: forced the ball. I'm giving it leeway, but come on, Drake.
• 1:55:05
  Speaker 6: I think we all feel similarly of some of those
• 1:55:07
  Speaker 6: turnovers and fairly balanced. Yeah.
• 1:55:09
  Speaker 4: Look, I'm very high on Drake May, and I'm a
• 1:55:13
  Speaker 4: little concerned about that.
• 1:55:14
  Speaker 10: Fred.
• 1:55:14
  Speaker 6: How many interceptions of Peyton manningthrow as a twenty rookie,
• 1:55:18
  Speaker 6: Well there you go.
• 1:55:18
  Speaker 11: His his turnover where the playerrate has actually come down
• 1:55:21
  Speaker 11: a little bit, believe it or not frightening, but he
• 1:55:26
  Speaker 11: right now he is at four point seven percent, which
• 1:55:29
  Speaker 11: is third most in the league.
• 1:55:31
  Speaker 10: Right, So that's high.
• 1:55:31
  Speaker 4: Like, I'm a question about the turnover worthy right there.
• 1:55:34
  Speaker 4: I don't know why there's that. So as an example,
• 1:55:38
  Speaker 4: the interception that he throws, he sort of backpedally gets tipped.
• 1:55:41
  Speaker 4: It makes another is that it was a turnover. Does
• 1:55:44
  Speaker 4: that go down as a turnover worthy play?
• 1:55:46
  Speaker 10: So it doesn't in PFF It doesn't.
• 1:55:47
  Speaker 4: Because it wouldn't in my book.
• 1:55:49
  Speaker 10: It doesn't mean tipps.
• 1:55:51
  Speaker 4: Yeah, well tipped, but like not only tipped, Like that
• 1:55:55
  Speaker 4: was an unbelievable catch by the linebacker. Yeah, Like it wasn't. Really,
• 1:55:59
  Speaker 4: he didn't put the ball. There were four or five
• 1:56:01
  Speaker 4: other plays in that game that I thought were far
• 1:56:03
  Speaker 4: more turnover worthy than that, So that wound up on
• 1:56:05
  Speaker 4: the ground. They only they only counted the strip sack.
• 1:56:10
  Speaker 4: I mean because of the emailer's point of the ball
• 1:56:12
  Speaker 4: security aspect. You can't make a swimp. Josh Allen is
• 1:56:16
  Speaker 4: still doing that, you know, that stupid swim move with
• 1:56:19
  Speaker 4: the ball. You can't do that.
• 1:56:20
  Speaker 11: Yeah, So I was going to bring up Josh Allen
• 1:56:22
  Speaker 11: because that's the comp right, It does that.
• 1:56:24
  Speaker 4: All the time, and it's still one of the things
• 1:56:25
  Speaker 4: that he can't get away with.
• 1:56:27
  Speaker 11: Yeah, Josh Allen's rookie season, his turnover worthy player, it
• 1:56:30
  Speaker 11: was five point one percent and Drakes right now is
• 1:56:33
  Speaker 11: four point seven. So pretty comparable, right, And that that's
• 1:56:37
  Speaker 11: what you hope. You hope that he's Josh Allen two
• 1:56:40
  Speaker 11: point zero. And they're gonna be moments where there's gonna
• 1:56:43
  Speaker 11: be some some boneheaded neo Paul say and he's still
• 1:56:45
  Speaker 11: doing it right, boneheaded and turnovers. But there are also
• 1:56:49
  Speaker 11: going to be moments where he's rolling to his right
• 1:56:51
  Speaker 11: and three guys are coming up to him and he
• 1:56:52
  Speaker 11: throws it fifty yards for a touchdown.
• 1:56:54
  Speaker 6: So it's like, you know that that's the gotta take
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  Speaker 6: the yea right, welcome to this, like this is the
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  Speaker 6: new age quarterback. N Yeah, he's mobile, he can run,
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  Speaker 6: might throw some interceptions.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, let me some turnovers, all right, too many turnovers.
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  Speaker 4: And he was all over it again today at his
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, this is I'm not surprised that this at all. No,
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  Speaker 4: Third and sixteen draw.
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  Speaker 3: He's the least of our problems right now. All right,
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