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The Late Debate | 17 September · The Late Debate

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  Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to The Late Debate.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome to the show. I'm Danica DiGiorgio.
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  Speaker 3: Joining me tonight is Liberal Waverley Councillor Michelle Stevenson and News.
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  Speaker 2: 24 contributor Joe Hildebrand. Evening to both of you.
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  Speaker 4: Joe, welcome back. How are you doing? Great to be here. Oh, look,
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  Speaker 4: I'm fantastic. I couldn't think of a lovelier panel to be.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, thanks.
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  Speaker 4: Sorry, Caleb. Sorry, J-Mac, but... No, you can't compete with
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  Speaker 4: this sort of class. Oh, look. That's true. I'm a
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  Speaker 4: nice guy. Don't believe what you read on Twitter. I'm lovely.
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  Speaker 2: You're a good bloke. Well, we take the compliment, don't we, Michelle?
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  Speaker 4: I will definitely take the compliment.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you so much.
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  Speaker 4: No, absolutely.
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  Speaker 2: We'll take it.
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  Speaker 3: And, look, happy Thursday to both of you. We're always excited.
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  Speaker 3: To the end of the week, thank goodness for that. Alright,
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  Speaker 3: coming up tonight, kids as young as nine made to
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  Speaker 3: wipe down tables and sweep the floors at lunchtime at
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  Speaker 3: a UK school.
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  Speaker 2: Character building are unacceptable.
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  Speaker 3: When is it okay for police to drop a cold case?
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  Speaker 3: The family of three-year-old Cheryl Grimmer have been told the
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  Speaker 3: New South Wales DPP will abandon the investigation into the
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  Speaker 3: 1970s disappearance. And Star Wars is no longer science fiction.
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  Speaker 3: The US Space Force has confirmed space-based weapons do exist.
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  Speaker 2: But first, there's something.
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  Speaker 3: Very, very strange going on in Parliament. One nation leader,
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  Speaker 3: Pauline Hanson, WA Senator Fatima Payman and independent Fowler MP
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  Speaker 3: Dai Lee have formed an alliance.
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  Speaker 5: You know, things are completely broken when Senator Pauline Hanson...
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  Speaker 5: a member for Fowler, Dylee, and I stand together on
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  Speaker 5: a unity ticket. We have different views on almost everything,
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  Speaker 5: but what we have all in common is we're all women.
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  Speaker 5: Australia has heard the Prime Minister's recent comments on melons,
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  Speaker 5: on Grace Tame and Kylie Minogue. He brags about his
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  Speaker 5: female majority caucus and the government's track record on women's rights.
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  Speaker 5: But are those rights only granted to women who agree
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  Speaker 5: with him? I know the Prime Minister wants to punish me,
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  Speaker 5: but he should not be allowed to play favouritism.
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  Speaker 2: Talk about strange bedfellows.
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  Speaker 3: The optics of that to me are just all very weird.
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  Speaker 2: But does this mean that the past has been forgotten?
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  Speaker 2: If that is not racist, what is it?
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  Speaker 6: Senator Hanson has worn the burqa.
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  Speaker 2: In this place.
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  Speaker 6: Maybe it's time that she pack her burqa and go
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  Speaker 6: to Afghanistan and talk to the Taliban about this. I
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  Speaker 6: kept on giving you the benefit of the doubt, Senator Hanson,
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  Speaker 6: despite your repetitive attempts to be racist to anyone who
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  Speaker 6: does not look like you.
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  Speaker 2: You're not just vindictive, mean, nasty.
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  Speaker 6: You bring disgrace to the human race.
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  Speaker 3: And it also comes only months after Senator Hanson questioned
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  Speaker 3: Senator Payman's eligibility to serve in Parliament as she is
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  Speaker 3: born in Afghanistan. Now, the trio actually fronted the media
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  Speaker 3: to demand Anthony Albanese allocate additional staffing for the minor parties.
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  Speaker 3: What I would like to know, firstly, is who started
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  Speaker 3: the conversation? Did they call each other and say, hey, look,
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  Speaker 3: let's just get together, let's give this a go, and
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  Speaker 3: it's not even April.
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  Speaker 4: Fool's, Michelle.
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  Speaker 7: I mean, you can imagine it'd be like, hey, bestie,
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  Speaker 7: come on over, I've.
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  Speaker 2: Got to ask you some questions.
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  Speaker 7: I think what a lot of people don't realise, and
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  Speaker 7: the one thing I've come to realise, because I'm serving
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  Speaker 7: my first term in local government, is how performative actual
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  Speaker 7: parliament or government actually is. Like, a lot of the
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  Speaker 7: time you'll be there and you'll be articulating an argument,
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  Speaker 7: and it can get quite nasty and quite aggressive. But
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  Speaker 7: then afterwards, everyone's all chummy-chummy and having drinks together.
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  Speaker 2: So I think a lot of people just see this.
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  Speaker 7: Nastiness and performative nature of Parliament, but don't realise on
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  Speaker 7: the back end, those people are hanging out.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, they're not really enemies, but look, I mean.
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  Speaker 7: It is very, very strange, Fatima. I do think they're
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  Speaker 7: really the most opposite you could probably get, Pauline Hanson,
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  Speaker 7: of payment.
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  Speaker 2: So that is optically very, very, very odd.
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  Speaker 4: Do you know, you are completely correct, and I often...
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  Speaker 4: I used to always say politics, and what people don't realise...
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  Speaker 4: is like Sam and Ralph, the old Warner Brothers cartoon
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  Speaker 4: about the wolf and the sheepdog. And, you know, they
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  Speaker 4: clock on. Morning, Sam. Morning, Ralph. They clock on. They
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  Speaker 4: go at each other's throats from nine to five and
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  Speaker 4: then they clock off and then they walk home together
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  Speaker 4: and have a bit of a chat about how the
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  Speaker 4: day went. And politics used to be like that. And
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  Speaker 4: I think what has happened in the age or the
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  Speaker 4: internet age, especially, is that people have seen that and
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  Speaker 4: also people, I think, in the real world, for whom
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  Speaker 4: it's not just performative and not just a game, go
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  Speaker 4: ballistic and they make it really nasty, really vicious and
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  Speaker 4: not the sort of gentleman's game or the fair game
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  Speaker 4: that has rules and, you know, is respectful or whatever, whatever, whatever.
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  Speaker 4: The irony, however, though, is that Pauline Hanson and Fatima
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  Speaker 4: Payman are exactly those types of people. They are the
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  Speaker 4: types of people who would have you say that, no,
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  Speaker 4: politics isn't just, you know, building better outcomes or having
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  Speaker 4: the debate and then shaking hands and going off. These
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  Speaker 4: are people on the very fringes of politics for whom,
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  Speaker 4: you know, things are a matter of life and death,
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  Speaker 4: for whom, you know, Israel is committing genocide. That's not
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  Speaker 4: a game, is it?
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  Speaker 3: No.
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  Speaker 4: Or, you know, Pauline Hanson, our country is going to
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  Speaker 4: hell in a handbasket and being destroyed by immigrants, like,
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  Speaker 4: you know.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, I don't think she's wrong.
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  Speaker 4: But the point is, though, that they would have you
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  Speaker 4: believe that they are the real truth speakers. They are
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  Speaker 4: the ones who really, really care about these issues because
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  Speaker 4: they are so passionate, they've crossed the floor, they've left
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  Speaker 4: their parties, whatever, whatever, whatever. And yet, when it comes...
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  Speaker 4: to the greedy little grab for more resources, more staff,
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  Speaker 4: they're prepared to put all that principle to one side
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  Speaker 4: and stand together next to people who each would consider
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  Speaker 4: a part of what is destroying this country. whether it's
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  Speaker 4: Hanson and immigration.
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  Speaker 2: Apart from Dylee.
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  Speaker 4: Dylee's fine. I actually do like Dylee. I like Dylee too.
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  Speaker 4: That's why I've deliberately left her.
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  Speaker 2: Out of this.
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  Speaker 3: But to your point, though, I think that Pauline's quite passionate.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think there's anything wrong with that when she
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  Speaker 3: does speak her mind.
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  Speaker 4: You push them on the fringes, but what's wrong with that?
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  Speaker 4: If she's so passionate about it, then what is she doing?
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  Speaker 4: working side by side with exactly the sort of person
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  Speaker 4: she thinks is destroying the country.
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  Speaker 3: Well, maybe it might be a good ad for One
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  Speaker 3: Nation to be standing next to Fatima Payman.
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  Speaker 4: A Muslim woman.
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  Speaker 3: It might be a great ad campaign then. She could say, hey, look,
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  Speaker 3: you know, I'm all about multiculturalism.
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  Speaker 4: Which makes them just as cynical and performative as the
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  Speaker 4: mainstream politicians who they criticise. That is what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 4: They claim to be authentic and they are not.
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  Speaker 7: Also, with Senator Hanson, I mean, she's asking for more resources,
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  Speaker 7: but don't you actually need to show up for work
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  Speaker 7: in order to have and make use of those resources?
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  Speaker 2: Just saying. You're saying she doesn't turn up for work?
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  Speaker 2: She hasn't.
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  Speaker 4: She has a really poor record on showing up. Her
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  Speaker 4: attendance record at committee meetings is pretty low.
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  Speaker 3: Well, it's actually interesting. So, Albo has 59 personal employees.
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  Speaker 3: Pauline Hanson has two.
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  Speaker 2: Dylee, one. And Fatima Payman, none, I believe. But they
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  Speaker 2: want more.
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  Speaker 4: Albo is the Prime Minister. LAUGHTER I like it or not,
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  Speaker 4: I know a lot of people don't like that. He
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  Speaker 4: is the Prime Minister. He's running the country. Pauline Hanson
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  Speaker 4: is an MP of a party that's not even the opposition.
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  Speaker 7: And also, I'm sorry, Fatima Payman does not deserve any
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  Speaker 7: handouts or any help.
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  Speaker 2: She's a defector.
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  Speaker 4: Exactly.
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  Speaker 2: She did do them dirty. She deserves nothing. I have
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  Speaker 2: to break it to you.
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  Speaker 7: You don't even deserve to be there because you weren't
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  Speaker 7: physically voted in yourself.
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  Speaker 2: Your party was voted in. Yeah, yeah. I mean, the
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  Speaker 2: optics of today, as I said, perhaps this.
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  Speaker 3: I feel like out of the three of them, who
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  Speaker 3: this will favour will be One Nation, because One Nation
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  Speaker 3: can go, look, we're standing side by side with a
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  Speaker 3: Muslim woman, but of a payment, on the other hand,
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  Speaker 3: I'm not sure how much the optics will work in
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  Speaker 3: her favour when she's standing next to Pauline Hanson.
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  Speaker 4: Do you know what? I've got... My feeling is that
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  Speaker 4: people are so pissed off with the government and so
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  Speaker 4: ready to just pick up, you know... I call it, like,
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  Speaker 4: the rock. One Nation's like the rock. that the action
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  Speaker 4: hero at the end of the film is reaching around
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  Speaker 4: for to smash the bad guy on the head. Your analogies.
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  Speaker 4: You don't care about the rock, you just care about
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  Speaker 4: smashing the bad guy on the head and I think
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  Speaker 4: that's what One Nation is and that's why I think
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  Speaker 4: even when Pauline Hanson calls Aboriginal people primitive, or whenever
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  Speaker 4: she's doing dumb stunts like this, or whenever, you know,
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  Speaker 4: what was the last thing, you know, whenever she stuffs
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  Speaker 4: up or whatever.
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  Speaker 2: Look, she's got a base.
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  Speaker 4: She's got a base. We could go on for this forever.
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  Speaker 4: No matter what.
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  Speaker 2: There's a reason why they're One Nation voters.
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  Speaker 3: Well, there's a reason why the One Nation voter base
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  Speaker 3: are moving away from the... why voters in general are
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  Speaker 3: moving away from the major parties. Gosh, we could talk
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  Speaker 3: about this forever. But, look, let's move on now because
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  Speaker 3: we want to ask the question, when is it OK
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  Speaker 3: for police to drop a cold case? Now, you might
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  Speaker 3: remember the 1970 disappearance of Cheryl Grimmer, three-year-old. who disappeared
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  Speaker 3: in Wollongong or near Wollongong at a beach and her
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  Speaker 3: body has never been recovered. Now, today, the New South
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  Speaker 3: Wales Department of Public Prosecutions has upheld the decision to
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  Speaker 3: abandon the case. Now, this review examined the decision to
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  Speaker 3: discontinue proceedings against a man known by the pseudonym Mercury,
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  Speaker 3: who had been charged over Cheryl's disappearance. But the prosecution
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  Speaker 3: collapsed back in 2019 after the New South Wales Supreme
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  Speaker 3: Court excluded admissions that Mercury made to police when he
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  Speaker 3: was 17 and a judge then found that the interview
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  Speaker 3: did not meet legal requirements. Now, as you can imagine,
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  Speaker 3: her family are heartbroken and completely devastated by this decision.
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  Speaker 3: Her brother, Ricky Nash, said,' I am utterly disgusted, devastated
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  Speaker 3: and deeply angry at what our family has received.
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  Speaker 2: Now, this ruling cannot be.
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  Speaker 3: Challenged, so basically it is over.
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  Speaker 2: Now, I don't agree with this.
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  Speaker 3: I do not think that it is ever okay to
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  Speaker 3: just drop a cold case for a few reasons, one
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  Speaker 3: being that there is no closure for the family. My
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  Speaker 3: heart goes out to this family who have never been
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  Speaker 3: able to properly grieve a person. There's no body. There's
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  Speaker 3: no closure. They don't know what has happened to their
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  Speaker 3: loved one. Secondly, there should be an ongoing need for justice. Otherwise,
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  Speaker 3: what sort of a message does it send? And thirdly,
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  Speaker 3: there are breakthroughs in technology. When I was looking at
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  Speaker 3: this case earlier, it reminded me of the Claremont serial
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  Speaker 3: killer case.
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  Speaker 2: Over in WA. Huge story, huge story in Perth.
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  Speaker 3: Now, that cold case, that was solved only in the
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  Speaker 3: last couple of years thanks to advanced DNA profiling under
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  Speaker 3: the victim's fingernail as well as fibre matching.
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  Speaker 2: And, again, I'm not necessarily... Look, in.
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  Speaker 3: The end, police experts, so I'm not going against police
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  Speaker 3: decisions here, but I just wonder what sort of a
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  Speaker 3: message it sends. But also, what about shifting loyalties over time?
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  Speaker 3: People have deathbed confessions. And if you've just basically said,
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  Speaker 3: we're walking away, we're not doing it anymore, it doesn't
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  Speaker 3: give anybody an incentive to come forward, in my view.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, look, it's a complicated one. I think... The problem
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  Speaker 4: is really that the decision was made by the New
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  Speaker 4: South Wales Supreme Court not to include this evidence and that, obviously,
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  Speaker 4: the Director of Public Prosecutions has decided, they've said, well,
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  Speaker 4: it would therefore be impossible for us to be able
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  Speaker 4: to prosecute the case and even bringing all those resources
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  Speaker 4: to bear, you know, they don't think that they would
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  Speaker 4: have a reasonable chance of prosecution. And the brutal truth
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  Speaker 4: is that that is a calculation they make about current
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  Speaker 4: live cases every single day and they have a finite
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  Speaker 4: amount of resources. You know, they say there's never a
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  Speaker 4: cop around when you need one. You know, we don't
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  Speaker 4: have enough police as it is. And I think as
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  Speaker 4: heartbreaking as it is, and again, if it was my
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  Speaker 4: family and, well, I have a bit of personal experience
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  Speaker 4: in similar cases, a similar case, but I would be
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  Speaker 4: obviously outraged and say, no, you should be looking for my,
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  Speaker 4: you know, for my kid or whatever, and I wouldn't
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  Speaker 4: rest and I would be exactly like the Grimmer family.
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  Speaker 4: But looking at it from the outside, you do have
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  Speaker 4: to say, all right, is a case that is more
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  Speaker 4: than half a century old the best use of the
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  Speaker 4: amount of police resources it would take to tackle a
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  Speaker 4: case which....
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  Speaker 2: But this is a legal problem.
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  Speaker 7: It's not one of sympathy. I think at the end
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  Speaker 7: of the day, the legality of it has kind of
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  Speaker 7: reached its term. There's nothing more that they can do.
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  Speaker 7: But I'm under the assumption that if new or fresh
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  Speaker 7: evidence does come to light and is given or handed over,
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  Speaker 7: then that will be assessed on its merit. So it
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  Speaker 7: isn't technically the end of the road. It's just the
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  Speaker 7: fact that they will not put any more resources into it.
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  Speaker 7: But if anything else comes to light... then I think
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  Speaker 7: they will of course investigate that. But there's only so
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  Speaker 7: much you can do. I mean if the legality has
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  Speaker 7: come and reached its lifeline then you can't really continue
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  Speaker 7: beating a dead horse. Unfortunately, the New South Wales Supreme
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  Speaker 7: Court made that decision and, you know, they're just going
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  Speaker 7: to have.
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  Speaker 4: To live with it.
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  Speaker 3: In my view, I just think that sends a terrible
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  Speaker 3: message to offenders.
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  Speaker 2: Look, I understand that this.
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  Speaker 4: Case was back in... I don't think offenders are thinking
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  Speaker 4: about that.
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  Speaker 2: But this case.
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  Speaker 3: Was in 1970, so I understand that technology has... absolutely
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  Speaker 3: advanced since then. So, you know, but I just wonder
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  Speaker 3: if eventually there's a cold case and we just go, look,
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  Speaker 3: we can't really do much about it.
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  Speaker 2: But there's a lot of them. It's not really going to.
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  Speaker 3: Prompt you on your deathbed to then confess to it when.
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  Speaker 4: Have they ever heard of Hedley Thomas?
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  Speaker 2: No, look, I know.
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  Speaker 4: That's what I would be doing if I were Cheryl Griffin.
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  Speaker 4: All Hedley Thomas, he will get your conviction.
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  Speaker 2: He'll find it. He is just... But I just wonder,
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  Speaker 2: you know.
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  Speaker 3: And, look, there's been so many people who haven't taken
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  Speaker 3: it to their deathbeds and they've died and they've been
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  Speaker 3: revealed where they've buried bodies and.
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  Speaker 2: But I just... I feel for the family.
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  Speaker 3: I just can't imagine that a three-year-old girl goes missing.
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  Speaker 4: I know what it's like to not know what happened
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  Speaker 4: to a child. Of course you do. And it is terrible,
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  Speaker 4: but you also can't let that be... the millstone around
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  Speaker 4: your neck for the rest of your life.
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  Speaker 2: But not everyone can move on.
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  Speaker 4: Life is full of, well, I think you have to
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  Speaker 4: find a way to because the truth is that life
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  Speaker 4: is full of uncertainty and tragedy and horrible things that happen. And, again,
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  Speaker 4: I say this as someone who's been through it and
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  Speaker 4: you have to be able to find a way. And
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  Speaker 4: I know there's always a temptation to think, you know,
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  Speaker 4: once I know what happened, then I'll get closure and
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  Speaker 4: everything will be fine. But you might not. That's the thing.
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  Speaker 4: You might not. And it might still find that you're
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  Speaker 4: just as sad, just as grieving, just as empty in
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  Speaker 4: that part of you. And so.
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  Speaker 7: And weirdly, this might be some kind of closure for
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  Speaker 7: them as well. I mean, it hasn't delivered the answers
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  Speaker 7: that they wanted, but it might just be some kind
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  Speaker 7: of closure because it must be incredibly exhausting for to
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  Speaker 7: actually go through that all the time. We'll tell you
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  Speaker 7: what else is exhausting. Apparently, in the UK, there is
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  Speaker 7: a school that is making nine- and ten-year-olds clean up
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  Speaker 7: after lunch.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, finally. Common sense policies.
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  Speaker 7: Now, the parents aren't too happy about this. They've slammed
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  Speaker 7: the school for making children take part in a new
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  Speaker 7: lunchtime clean-up initiative.
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  Speaker 2: Now, they're being.
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  Speaker 7: Roped into sweeping floors, cleaning dishes and wiping tables in
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  Speaker 7: the dinner hall after mealtimes.
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  Speaker 2: So I think what the parents are actually.
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  Speaker 7: Genuinely concerned with is that the students are touching and
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  Speaker 7: cleaning other children's lunchtime food. So there are concerns around
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  Speaker 7: contamination and whether they might have any kind of hygiene
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  Speaker 7: or allergy issues there. But they're also accusing the school
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  Speaker 7: of using the students as their very own kind of workers, saying,
• 16:07
  Speaker 7: you know, maybe they don't have enough workers, so they're
• 16:09
  Speaker 7: just getting.
• 16:10
  Speaker 4: So it's economically efficient as well.
• 16:12
  Speaker 3: Basically, these parents have come out and said that they're
• 16:15
  Speaker 3: using kids as a Mr and Mrs mop.
• 16:18
  Speaker 2: Yes. Now, give me a break.
• 16:20
  Speaker 3: Do you know that there are school kids in Japan,
• 16:23
  Speaker 3: this is a common practice in Japan, where they spend
• 16:25
  Speaker 3: 15 to 20 minutes a day cleaning the classrooms, the.
• 16:28
  Speaker 2: Hallways and the bathrooms.
• 16:30
  Speaker 3: In fact, a lot of public schools over there do
• 16:32
  Speaker 3: not have janitors. because the schoolchildren are taking care of
• 16:36
  Speaker 3: the classrooms. Now, what on earth is the problem with this?
• 16:39
  Speaker 3: I think it is so important to start kids at
• 16:41
  Speaker 3: a young age learning responsibility.
• 16:44
  Speaker 2: And giving them a task and teaching them some life skills.
• 16:48
  Speaker 3: When I was at school, we used to have to
• 16:49
  Speaker 3: stack chairs.
• 16:50
  Speaker 2: Every time we went to a school, assembly, all the
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: high school, always stacking chairs.
• 16:55
  Speaker 3: We were required after sport to pack away all of
• 16:58
  Speaker 3: the equipment.
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: So we did our bit.
• 17:00
  Speaker 3: I do not have a problem if a child is
• 17:02
  Speaker 3: made to just do a quick mop of the floor
• 17:04
  Speaker 3: and a quick wipe. Here you go. I'm doing my bit.
• 17:08
  Speaker 3: I'm learning my life skills. And then you've got the
• 17:10
  Speaker 3: parents coming out and saying, no, this is child labour.
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: Give me a break. It's not child labour. But that's
• 17:15
  Speaker 2: okay if that's all it is.
• 17:17
  Speaker 7: But, you know... School is tough on children. Like, their
• 17:20
  Speaker 7: little brains can't really handle a lot.
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: I do think that they do need a lunch.
• 17:24
  Speaker 3: But mopping floors and wiping benches is going to take
• 17:26
  Speaker 3: a lot of brainpower.
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: Look, I do understand.
• 17:28
  Speaker 7: No, I'm saying that they do need a lunchtime break
• 17:31
  Speaker 7: and they do need to go out and get some
• 17:32
  Speaker 7: fresh air and get some exercise and kind of do
• 17:34
  Speaker 7: all that as well. So it depends how much they're
• 17:36
  Speaker 7: actually being asked to do. I don't have an actual
• 17:38
  Speaker 7: problem with it, but I do see kind of the
• 17:40
  Speaker 7: other side as well.
• 17:41
  Speaker 4: I just want to know how on earth this school
• 17:43
  Speaker 4: gets the kids to clean up because I've been trying
• 17:46
  Speaker 4: for nigh on 30 years now.
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: Oh, my gosh, I can't get my teenager.
• 17:48
  Speaker 4: and I haven't managed to succeed once. But, no, I
• 17:51
  Speaker 4: think this is fantastic. You need to teach kids to...
• 17:54
  Speaker 4: You know, and my kids get told... And just the
• 17:58
  Speaker 4: thing that really gets me is that the parents... are
• 18:01
  Speaker 4: just bitching and moaning about this and being pressured. Like,
• 18:05
  Speaker 4: this is exactly the reason why people don't want to
• 18:07
  Speaker 4: be teachers because you have these, you know, you have
• 18:10
  Speaker 4: these policies or these sort of learning kind of structures
• 18:15
  Speaker 4: or whatever that the school develops or the teachers develop.
• 18:18
  Speaker 4: Whether they're good or bad or right or wrong or whatever,
• 18:21
  Speaker 4: that is the school's job. And then you have the
• 18:23
  Speaker 4: parents whinging and whining and suddenly treating teachers teachers as
• 18:28
  Speaker 4: simple sort of service providers and they're at the complaints
• 18:31
  Speaker 4: counter saying, no, I'm not happy with this, I want
• 18:33
  Speaker 4: my money back. I just think that kind of preciousness
• 18:37
  Speaker 4: and that kind of self-importance is everything that is wrong
• 18:42
  Speaker 4: or everything that is going wrong with the education system
• 18:45
  Speaker 4: because teachers are leaving it in droves because they're sick
• 18:48
  Speaker 4: of whiny parents like this and getting a backlash any
• 18:51
  Speaker 4: time they try something new and that is driving down
• 18:55
  Speaker 4: education outcomes.
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: Across the board. And, you know, there are kids... Look,
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: some kids, for a little bit of pocket.
• 19:01
  Speaker 3: Money, they mow lawns, they go and sell lemonade out
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: in the street to make a little bit of money.
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: This is no different. Obviously, they're not getting paid to
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: do this, but it teaches them... Yeah, that's the problem. Yeah,
• 19:11
  Speaker 2: but why would they need to get paid?
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: I just think this is actually teaching them a level
• 19:15
  Speaker 3: of responsibility, Michelle, that.
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: Why not?
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: I would rather a child do this, right, than be
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: sitting and being indoctrinated in the classroom by a woke
• 19:25
  Speaker 3: ideology and absolute nonsense.
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: I would rather them be taught.
• 19:30
  Speaker 3: Some valuable skills that they can take with them in
• 19:33
  Speaker 3: their lives.
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: And why not?
• 19:35
  Speaker 3: I feel like kids as well, they love this sort
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: of thing. They love to be part of something that
• 19:39
  Speaker 3: they think they're contributing to the broader... You know, like,
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: for example, when a kid sees their mum or their
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: dad do cooking in the kitchen and they'll come up
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: and be like, Mum, Dad, can I.
• 19:48
  Speaker 2: Also mix or.
• 19:49
  Speaker 4: something?
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: They love it. Kids love this sort of thing.
• 19:52
  Speaker 4: Try getting them to do the dishes, though. But this
• 19:53
  Speaker 4: is the thing. Kids will do things in school that
• 19:56
  Speaker 4: they will not do anywhere else because it is so...
• 19:59
  Speaker 4: Structured and there's all these amazing sort of techniques and
• 20:01
  Speaker 4: tricks that teachers use to do it And so they
• 20:03
  Speaker 4: will that there's so much better behaved at school than
• 20:05
  Speaker 4: they are at home Every parent knows this and then
• 20:08
  Speaker 4: to try to sort of pull that thread in the
• 20:10
  Speaker 4: one place where it is working Again, it's just and
• 20:13
  Speaker 4: while we're at it. It doesn't go far enough. I
• 20:16
  Speaker 4: mean In the factories down the coal mines making a
• 20:21
  Speaker 4: more productive economy for a happier Britain and You want
• 20:24
  Speaker 4: them down the coal mines. Get them into the cotton
• 20:27
  Speaker 4: mills so they can get through balloons. I can't do
• 20:31
  Speaker 4: that with this.
• 20:32
  Speaker 7: I have to say, speaking of coal mines, Barclays, the bank,
• 20:36
  Speaker 7: not quite a coal mine, but their employees are thinking
• 20:39
  Speaker 7: that maybe they are a bit hard on them because
• 20:41
  Speaker 7: they are requiring them to come away from working from
• 20:45
  Speaker 7: home and move back into the office, not just two days,
• 20:49
  Speaker 7: but back to three days a week.
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: That's what they're asking for.
• 20:52
  Speaker 7: And, of course, the employees are pushing back.
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: They're not too happy with it.
• 20:57
  Speaker 7: They're saying that they want payouts for travel and for
• 21:01
  Speaker 7: travel over 40 minutes and they want exemptions for those
• 21:04
  Speaker 7: living longer than 40 minutes away. So I looked into
• 21:09
  Speaker 7: this and I do have an understanding, a little understanding
• 21:13
  Speaker 7: of why they are feeling this way.
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: Look, I do think....
• 21:17
  Speaker 4: Jess, you might want to just, like, keep an eye
• 21:19
  Speaker 4: on Danica because.
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: I'm ready. Here we go. Here we go. Look, I do.
• 21:24
  Speaker 7: Look, I believe that people should be working in offices.
• 21:28
  Speaker 7: I think that that is better for growth, human connection,
• 21:32
  Speaker 7: for understanding of all kinds of things. I think people
• 21:36
  Speaker 7: should be working in offices, no doubt. But we did
• 21:39
  Speaker 7: have this working-from-home era and I think there was a
• 21:41
  Speaker 7: lot of flexibility and it has moved the goalposts. And
• 21:44
  Speaker 7: unfortunately now when people sign on for jobs, they have
• 21:48
  Speaker 7: an understanding, they've moved away, they've been further away from
• 21:51
  Speaker 7: the office, they've changed the dynamics of who takes care
• 21:54
  Speaker 7: of their children and who cooks at home and all
• 21:57
  Speaker 7: that kind of stuff. And so when you now move
• 21:59
  Speaker 7: the goalposts back and say, well, now you have to
• 22:01
  Speaker 7: come back in, I do understand that people are pushing
• 22:05
  Speaker 7: back a little on that. And if anyone's been to London,
• 22:08
  Speaker 7: you will understand how expensive a train ride is. when
• 22:12
  Speaker 7: you're not on the subway, on the tube in London itself.
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: So that's my two cents. Now, grip it.
• 22:19
  Speaker 3: So we've got, let me just try and understand this.
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: Let me just try and understand this. So we've got
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: people kicking and screaming because they're.
• 22:29
  Speaker 3: Being told to go to work. Now, how does that
• 22:33
  Speaker 3: make sense?
• 22:33
  Speaker 7: No, but that's not the thing.
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: Well, they are.
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: They're literally saying if I live more than 40 minutes
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: away from the office, I don't want to come in.
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: And if I have to come into the office, then
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: I deserve extra compensation for the time spent coming into
• 22:49
  Speaker 3: the office.
• 22:50
  Speaker 7: You know that deep down I don't agree with it.
• 22:52
  Speaker 7: But there are elements of me understanding where they're coming
• 22:56
  Speaker 7: from because the goalposts have essentially shifted.
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: But that is up to a boss.
• 23:00
  Speaker 4: This is why the lockdown lovies have so much economic
• 23:06
  Speaker 4: metaphorical blood on their hands because some things you just...
• 23:11
  Speaker 4: You know, the genie has been let out of the bottle.
• 23:13
  Speaker 4: This should never have been.
• 23:15
  Speaker 4: Allowed to happen in the first place just like we
• 23:17
  Speaker 4: should never have let kids not go to school because
• 23:20
  Speaker 4: we all and we all know the damage that that
• 23:22
  Speaker 4: is doing now i mean this is this is the
• 23:24
  Speaker 4: thing of course if you say to someone would you
• 23:26
  Speaker 4: like to go to the office or would you like
• 23:28
  Speaker 4: to stay home 90 percent of people are going to
• 23:30
  Speaker 4: say stay home and it never even occurred to anyone
• 23:33
  Speaker 4: that that was really possible but when just getting up
• 23:37
  Speaker 4: going to the office doing your work not going home
• 23:40
  Speaker 4: until it's done, was the norm.
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: But that was years ago and we've got to move on.
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: It's time to move on from the past.
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: And I agree with you.
• 23:47
  Speaker 4: You're agreeing with Michelle?
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: No, no, no.
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: I agree.
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: What I'm saying to you is I agree that it
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: should never have happened back during COVID, but we didn't
• 23:54
  Speaker 3: know back then what we now know, right? A lot
• 23:56
  Speaker 3: of mistakes were made during the pandemic. But we're now
• 24:00
  Speaker 3: in 2026. You've got CBDs going broke because people have
• 24:03
  Speaker 3: not come back.
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: London's not going to go broke. Officers are completely empty.
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: London's not going to go broke. Okay, but if we
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: talk about an Australian perspective, well, what about the Sydney CBD?
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: What about the Sydney CBD?
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: They are a record number of insolvencies right now across
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: the board, not just in Sydney, a record number of
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: insolvencies across the country, right? You've got businesses that are
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: literally relying on foot traffic and of personnel to be
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: coming in, buying, buying coffees, eating out at restaurants. But
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: people aren't going back to the office because they're so
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: used to this hybrid model. In the end, if an
• 24:33
  Speaker 3: employer says you need to come back to the office
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: X amount of times, you need to come back to
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: the office. If you don't like it, go find another job.
• 24:41
  Speaker 4: Go.
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: Seriously, go and find another job.
• 24:43
  Speaker 7: But I do think that productivity should be based on
• 24:46
  Speaker 7: output and not on chair occupancy at some point as well.
• 24:49
  Speaker 7: I think there are hybrid models that actually genuinely work
• 24:53
  Speaker 7: for some people.
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: But if it doesn't work for an employer, then that's...
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: Tough titties. But what's the difference?
• 24:59
  Speaker 7: Like, so these people are already coming in for two
• 25:01
  Speaker 7: days and now they're saying come in for a third day.
• 25:03
  Speaker 7: What's the difference between two and three? Like, I think
• 25:06
  Speaker 7: that's kind of like I don't understand why they're pushing
• 25:09
  Speaker 7: for it.
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: If that's what they want, then that is their discretion
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: to say you need to come back into the office.
• 25:14
  Speaker 3: And if you're actually, Barclays have said if you are
• 25:16
  Speaker 3: a senior leader... you need to come back to the
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: office four days a week. Again, that's their prerogative. As
• 25:21
  Speaker 3: an employer, you set the rules for the company and
• 25:24
  Speaker 3: if you don't like.
• 25:25
  Speaker 4: It, go. That's the other thing. I don't even understand it. Like,
• 25:27
  Speaker 4: why would you even want to be a senior executive
• 25:31
  Speaker 4: at a bank.
• 25:31
  Speaker 2: No-one does.
• 25:32
  Speaker 4: and not actually come into the office? It's like, oh, God,
• 25:35
  Speaker 4: you won't believe it, honey, they made me the chief
• 25:37
  Speaker 4: financial officer and now I have to go into the office.
• 25:41
  Speaker 4: But I think the real story here is how much...
• 25:45
  Speaker 4: of an overlap do you think there is in the
• 25:47
  Speaker 4: Venn diagram of the Barclays employees who don't want to
• 25:50
  Speaker 4: go back to the office? And the parents of the
• 25:52
  Speaker 4: kids who are cleaning up the tables.
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: Oh, yes.
• 25:55
  Speaker 4: Yes. At lunchtime.
• 25:56
  Speaker 8: Good point.
• 25:56
  Speaker 4: I reckon I'm pretty sure they are all exactly the
• 25:59
  Speaker 4: same people.
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: And the other point I would make, these senior leaders
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: who have to go back into the office four days
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: a week, I am sure would be properly remunerated. I
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: don't think that they would be on a very low
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: salary whatsoever working at a bank.
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: I'm sure they are.
• 26:13
  Speaker 7: But, look, I think we absolutely did not get it
• 26:17
  Speaker 7: right when we told everyone to work from home. We
• 26:20
  Speaker 7: absolutely did not get it right. And unfortunately, that has
• 26:23
  Speaker 7: really shaped the next generation. And so they look at
• 26:26
  Speaker 7: working completely differently to us. And so whenever you ask
• 26:29
  Speaker 7: them to do a little bit extra or come on in,
• 26:32
  Speaker 7: it's a little bit harder and they expect to be
• 26:34
  Speaker 7: financially compensated for it.
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well, entitled brats, entitled brats. It's time to go
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: back to the office.
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: If that's what your employer wants... Tough. Look, let's move on.
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: I really want to talk about this scandal.
• 26:46
  Speaker 3: This is actually the national scandal and we should be
• 26:48
  Speaker 3: really talking about this that's happening over in Western Australia,
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: the abandoned children in South Headland. Now, the Minister for
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: Child Protection has basically been MIA since the Australian first
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: broke this story.
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: Now, of course, you'll know that.
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: The Australian newspaper published a very lengthy investigation, including details
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: of one home in which up to 15 children as
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: young as five had been left unsupervised for prolonged periods.
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: The Child Protection Minister hasn't answered any questions that the
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: Australian has put forward, but then suddenly popped up in
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: an interview with the local paper, The West Australian Today,
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: and finally gave her.
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: Version of events. Now, this is Jess Stokowski.
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: She has claimed that there is no evidence of children
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: being abandoned and actually disputed whether conditions inside the Pilbara
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: home at the centre of the alleged child neglect.
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: Saga were squalid.
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: She said, quote, I actually asked all of those agencies
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: and sector workers who I spoke to directly because they're
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: the ones that engage on the ground. Are they aware
• 27:46
  Speaker 3: of children being unsupervised in that house for days at
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: a time?
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: And they said no.
• 27:51
  Speaker 4: Oh, that settles that then.
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: That just settles it. She can just walk away and
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: wipe her hands. She's terrific.
• 27:57
  Speaker 3: Despite the fact that there are police officers that have
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: given off-the-record accounts of what's going on, Aboriginal elders have
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: said that this is an absolute national disgrace. We have
• 28:09
  Speaker 3: had so many people come out and give evidence, but no,
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: of course, the child protection minister has said nothing. What
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: else really bothered me was that the state's Aboriginal affairs
• 28:17
  Speaker 3: minister by the name of Don Punch, he has also
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: declined to weigh in And he said that all media
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: inquiries should be directed to the Office of Child Protection.
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So Labor is walking away and we are talking
• 28:29
  Speaker 2: about children here.
• 28:31
  Speaker 7: Yep, absolutely. And the other thing that was interesting, they
• 28:33
  Speaker 7: had a real focus and Jess was really focusing on basketball.
• 28:36
  Speaker 7: Basketball is going to fix it all. We're going to
• 28:38
  Speaker 7: get them together and, you know, sport really brings them together.
• 28:41
  Speaker 7: It really helps them out. And everyone's going, well, shouldn't
• 28:44
  Speaker 7: we fix their living conditions first? And if you don't
• 28:46
  Speaker 7: call that squalid, you're looking at the pictures right now,
• 28:49
  Speaker 7: I'm sorry, if you don't call that squalid, I don't
• 28:50
  Speaker 7: understand where you live. Because, seriously, that is some children
• 28:56
  Speaker 7: in need of help. And some of these accounts, they
• 28:58
  Speaker 7: were saying, like, even the reporter said that she showed
• 29:01
  Speaker 7: up and at one point she counted there were seven
• 29:04
  Speaker 7: outside and, like, ten children alone inside and no adults around.
• 29:09
  Speaker 7: And then Jess said taking children away was serious and
• 29:13
  Speaker 7: a last resort. When is it going to be serious
• 29:17
  Speaker 7: enough for you, Jess? Let me know when it is
• 29:20
  Speaker 7: serious enough because this is serious.
• 29:24
  Speaker 4: It is extremely serious and people, myself but also other
• 29:29
  Speaker 4: Aboriginal leaders, have been jumping up and down about this
• 29:32
  Speaker 4: for years and years and years and there is a
• 29:34
  Speaker 4: deliberate effort by those in the left and in Australia
• 29:40
  Speaker 4: often in the case, you know, in academia and often
• 29:44
  Speaker 4: sort of the more, you know, higher up sort of
• 29:47
  Speaker 4: Indigenous leaders to basically just put a brick wall around
• 29:50
  Speaker 4: this and simply say that it's not happening or that
• 29:54
  Speaker 4: to take any action is is racist. Now, one of
• 29:58
  Speaker 4: the most contentious things and one of the reasons why
• 30:00
  Speaker 4: kids keep ending up in these conditions, these beautiful luxury conditions,
• 30:04
  Speaker 4: according to the WA Child Protection Minister, is that you
• 30:09
  Speaker 4: cannot take an Indigenous child out of care and put
• 30:12
  Speaker 4: them with a non-Indigenous family. And so you could have
• 30:16
  Speaker 4: an Indigenous kid who is in a, you know... horrendous
• 30:20
  Speaker 4: situation suffering from neglect or abuse or whatever you could
• 30:23
  Speaker 4: have non-indigenous families saying we'll take him we'll love him
• 30:26
  Speaker 4: we'll do anything where you know story checks out background
• 30:29
  Speaker 4: checks they're the rolls royce of foster parents and they
• 30:32
  Speaker 4: cannot go there they have to be placed in an
• 30:37
  Speaker 4: in an indigenous family or a relative's family now that
• 30:40
  Speaker 4: might seem all well and good if you're talking about
• 30:43
  Speaker 4: you know because they say it's so important to maintain
• 30:45
  Speaker 4: links to culture like the culture you saw the pictures
• 30:47
  Speaker 4: of right there. But it often means, and I've spoken
• 30:50
  Speaker 4: to people in this space who are just tearing their
• 30:52
  Speaker 4: hair out, saying you will have a child who has
• 30:56
  Speaker 4: been removed from the custody of their biological parents, put
• 31:01
  Speaker 4: in the custody of, say, an aunt or a grandmother.
• 31:04
  Speaker 4: And it's worse. Or it's exactly the same.
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 31:08
  Speaker 4: You go and the child is still in the same
• 31:11
  Speaker 4: house or in the same kind of, broader family unit
• 31:16
  Speaker 4: and the conditions are exactly the same, but basically the
• 31:19
  Speaker 4: paperwork has changed. And again, and wait till the minister, again,
• 31:24
  Speaker 4: I promise you, the minister is in a lot of
• 31:26
  Speaker 4: trouble here.
• 31:27
  Speaker 7: Joe, when is it going to be enough? Because it's just,
• 31:32
  Speaker 7: I just think with Labor, it continually, they just don't
• 31:35
  Speaker 7: want to admit that maybe there's a problem. And I
• 31:39
  Speaker 7: don't understand why they don't want.
• 31:41
  Speaker 4: To admit that. There's this idea, it's particularly among the
• 31:43
  Speaker 4: Labor left, which technically the WA government is, not so
• 31:46
  Speaker 4: much among the right, but... In fact, not at all
• 31:49
  Speaker 4: among the right. But, you know, that's where you had
• 31:51
  Speaker 4: people like Noel Pearson coming to the fore and, you know,
• 31:54
  Speaker 4: that radical centrism and acknowledging the problem and putting in
• 31:57
  Speaker 4: really tough solutions to fight it. That's where, you know,
• 32:00
  Speaker 4: I would sit. I love Noel. That's where a lot
• 32:02
  Speaker 4: of the Labor are. The Labor left, unfortunately, again, more
• 32:05
  Speaker 4: inclined to think that even talking about this issue... is
• 32:08
  Speaker 4: racist or that all these problems are a result of colonialism.
• 32:12
  Speaker 4: So we shouldn't be blaming the individual perpetrators themselves. And,
• 32:16
  Speaker 4: you know, and again, it only ends in. And so
• 32:19
  Speaker 4: this idea that that it's racist to highlight a problem.
• 32:23
  Speaker 4: So the non-racist thing to do is to continue to
• 32:25
  Speaker 4: let Indigenous children suffer horribly when we would never allow
• 32:30
  Speaker 4: it to non-Indigenous children. That is racist. Yeah.
• 32:33
  Speaker 3: And, you know, we've spent, governments after governments have put
• 32:36
  Speaker 3: so much money in budgets to try and improve the
• 32:39
  Speaker 3: lives of Aboriginal Australians. And yet this is still happening
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: in our own backyard. And we're talking third world conditions.
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: And Jacinta Nampajimpa Price has long called for audits as
• 32:49
  Speaker 3: to where this money is going, and she has been
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: shut down as well on every occasion. There's no investigation.
• 32:54
  Speaker 3: We've got this going on. We're just supposed to just
• 32:57
  Speaker 3: sit around and.
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: Let it happen.
• 32:59
  Speaker 4: How stupid and willfully ignorant do you have to be
• 33:04
  Speaker 4: and how stupid to actually admit it, to think that
• 33:07
  Speaker 4: just by asking... the workers who would be on the
• 33:11
  Speaker 4: hook if they answered yes whether this was a problem
• 33:15
  Speaker 4: and they say no it's like saying oh you know
• 33:18
  Speaker 4: did you steal the cookie from the cookie jar no
• 33:20
  Speaker 4: oh okay yeah fantastic yeah oh cookie probably wasn't even
• 33:23
  Speaker 4: stolen like you're asking the people who would be admitting
• 33:26
  Speaker 4: to failure if they said yes to these conditions and
• 33:30
  Speaker 4: just taking their word for it, and then thinking there's
• 33:33
  Speaker 4: nothing more to see here. I mean, that is moronic,
• 33:35
  Speaker 4: and that is going to... I mean, wait till she
• 33:37
  Speaker 4: sees the front page of Tomorrow's Australian. The Oz is
• 33:41
  Speaker 4: like a.
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll be showing you that shortly.
• 33:43
  Speaker 4: They will look stupider and stupider and stupider until they
• 33:46
  Speaker 4: have to backflip like an acrobat in the Cirque du Soleil.
• 33:50
  Speaker 4: Good point. Take that image and pocket it. Now, if
• 33:54
  Speaker 4: you thought that was bad, consider this. It's the end
• 33:58
  Speaker 4: of the world as we know it. Yes, space weapons
• 34:02
  Speaker 4: and the battlefields of the moon, the final frontier of
• 34:07
  Speaker 4: global or, should I say, interplanetary conflict is upon us.
• 34:12
  Speaker 4: We have confirmation for the first time that Donald Trump's
• 34:16
  Speaker 4: Space Force is A-OK. It is GTG. That's not Guzman Gomez.
• 34:21
  Speaker 4: That is good to go. It is DEFCON 3. Don't
• 34:24
  Speaker 4: take my word for it. Take the word of The
• 34:26
  Speaker 4: Wall Street Journal.
• 34:28
  Speaker 9: Using satellites that detect heat signatures, Space Force guardians track
• 34:33
  Speaker 9: enemy missiles from the moment they're launched, giving troops an
• 34:36
  Speaker 9: early heads up and cueing air defenses. They optimize GPS
• 34:41
  Speaker 9: to help the U.S. hit targets with precision.
• 34:44
  Speaker 7: And they help keep the entire U.S.
• 34:45
  Speaker 9: Military connected through secure satellite communications. Guardians also deploy equipment
• 34:51
  Speaker 9: that can target and degrade an enemy's space systems, blinding
• 34:54
  Speaker 9: them to the battlefield.
• 34:57
  Speaker 4: So there you have it. When Donald Trump, the first
• 34:59
  Speaker 4: time around, said he was going to launch Space Force, oh,
• 35:02
  Speaker 4: they laughed. Oh, how they laughed. Who's laughing now? Not
• 35:06
  Speaker 4: the little green men from Venus who are about to
• 35:09
  Speaker 4: get nuked. And if you think that this is all
• 35:12
  Speaker 4: still pie in the sky, think again, because in yet
• 35:16
  Speaker 4: another late debate exclusive, we have obtained the first footage
• 35:22
  Speaker 4: of this new interplanetary weapons system. Have a look. Commence
• 35:27
  Speaker 4: primary ignition.
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: Oh, wow! Yes, that's right.
• 35:47
  Speaker 4: Bye-bye, Alderaan. And remember, you can't spell Alderaan without Iran.
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: That was an intellectual piece of mastery.
• 35:56
  Speaker 4: Wasn't that a journey?
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: That was quite a journey. But there you go.
• 35:59
  Speaker 3: It's been proven to be correct all these years after
• 36:02
  Speaker 3: Star Wars first came out.
• 36:03
  Speaker 4: So when you're snuggled up in your bed tonight, you know,
• 36:06
  Speaker 4: at the end of the week, just think of that.
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: Just think of that.
• 36:09
  Speaker 7: You know there must be something in it if China's
• 36:11
  Speaker 7: saying you shouldn't be doing that.
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: They must be quite concerned, right? China's upset about this.
• 36:16
  Speaker 4: China says don't do it, do it more.
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, China's saying do it more.
• 36:19
  Speaker 4: Double it up.
• 36:19
  Speaker 3: It's funny, after all these years, we've all, I'm sure,
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: absolutely loved Star Wars over the years and, God, no,
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: that can't possibly be fiction.
• 36:27
  Speaker 4: Here we are. Here we are.
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: Well, here we go.
• 36:30
  Speaker 4: Donald Skywalker.
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: Donald Skywalker. That's exactly right. All right, we're going to
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: take a quick break.
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: Coming up, Jim Chalmers again told to stop spending. He's
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: going to listen this time.
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: We'll see. That's next in the papers. Welcome back. Let's
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: take a look at the front pages of tomorrow's papers. Joe,
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: in the Herald Sun.
• 36:54
  Speaker 4: Yes, let's go around the grounds because all the News
• 36:56
  Speaker 4: Corp Metro mastheads are running with this little bad boy.
• 36:59
  Speaker 4: Slash cash splash, says the Herald Sun. That's very Dr Seuss.
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 37:05
  Speaker 4: Then we've got the advertiser, the Jim Reaper. See what
• 37:10
  Speaker 4: they do there? Oh, I like that one. I do
• 37:11
  Speaker 4: like that. It always goes between Jim Reaper and charm offensive.
• 37:15
  Speaker 2: I like Jim Reaper.
• 37:17
  Speaker 9: Anyway.
• 37:18
  Speaker 4: And then we've got the Daily Telegraph. Reign it in, Jim.
• 37:24
  Speaker 4: Inflation crisis. Triple rate rise fears as spending slammed by
• 37:28
  Speaker 4: Duncan Evans. Battered Aussie households are staring down the barrel
• 37:32
  Speaker 4: of three more interest rate hikes. Excuse me, I'll just
• 37:36
  Speaker 4: be on the roof. And a possible plunge into recession.
• 37:40
  Speaker 4: And Treasurer Jim Chalmers has received a shocking report card
• 37:45
  Speaker 4: on government spending from the International Monetary Fund. Never heard
• 37:48
  Speaker 4: of them. IMF? That can't be a real.
• 37:50
  Speaker 6: Thing, is it?
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it can't be a thing, can it?
• 37:51
  Speaker 4: Isn't that who Tom Cruise works for?
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, right.
• 37:54
  Speaker 4: Exactly. Anyway, what would they know about the economy? Money
• 37:58
  Speaker 4: markets warn the nightmare three-hike scenario is now an 80... Oh,
• 38:02
  Speaker 4: my God, I've got to call my accountant. I've got
• 38:04
  Speaker 4: to call my lawyer. I've got to make my will...
• 38:08
  Speaker 4: is now an 80% probability by mid-next year, with the
• 38:11
  Speaker 4: Reserve Bank expected to hit Australia's with its fourth hike
• 38:15
  Speaker 4: this year at its September 29 meeting. Stay with me, people.
• 38:19
  Speaker 4: I'm sure there's an upside coming soon. The dark outlook
• 38:23
  Speaker 4: would lift the RBA's cash rate from 4.35% to above 5%,
• 38:29
  Speaker 4: and just in case you're trying to work that out
• 38:31
  Speaker 4: in your head, at hundreds. to monthly mortgage payments. Terrific.
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: It's all going great.
• 38:37
  Speaker 4: I wonder why One Nation's going so well at the moment.
• 38:40
  Speaker 4: What could it be?
• 38:41
  Speaker 3: You know, how many times has Jim been told to
• 38:43
  Speaker 3: stop spending? And it's been record spending by this government.
• 38:46
  Speaker 3: He's been told so many times as well by the
• 38:48
  Speaker 3: Reserve Bank, rein it in, mate, stop spending, and he's
• 38:52
  Speaker 3: not listening. But then he always just goes and blames
• 38:54
  Speaker 3: everyone else or blames external factors and just laughs it
• 38:57
  Speaker 3: off as if we're all mugs.
• 38:58
  Speaker 7: I know, or blames the Coalition.
• 39:00
  Speaker 5: Yes.
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: They continue to blame the Coalition. Oh, it was COVID.
• 39:03
  Speaker 4: They're spending all that money during COVID that they told
• 39:06
  Speaker 4: them to.
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was COVID. Labor loves to do this. They
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: blame COVID constantly.
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 39:12
  Speaker 4: I think denying the problem very rarely... Does not make
• 39:16
  Speaker 4: it go away... solves the problem. Like, if someone comes
• 39:18
  Speaker 4: to you, my house is burning down, you say, no, no,
• 39:21
  Speaker 4: you're just imagining it, your house is fine. Oh, phew,
• 39:23
  Speaker 4: that was close. It doesn't really work like that.
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: Jim, the house is burning down.
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: I think the house has basically crucified itself for years,
• 39:31
  Speaker 3: to be honest. It's self-combusted a very long time ago. Now,
• 39:35
  Speaker 3: let's take a look at The Australian. We were just,
• 39:37
  Speaker 3: of course, talking about the issues over in South Hedland,
• 39:39
  Speaker 3: but have a look at this exclusive on the front page.
• 39:42
  Speaker 3: Agency delivers boy from kindy to meth den via text.
• 39:46
  Speaker 3: The grandparents of a young Indigenous boy who have been
• 39:49
  Speaker 3: his sole carers since birth were only informed by text message.
• 39:53
  Speaker 3: that child protection officials had removed the four-year-old from school
• 39:56
  Speaker 3: and placed him into the hands of his meth-addicted and
• 39:59
  Speaker 3: convicted drug dealer mother. The Australian has obtained the extraordinary
• 40:03
  Speaker 3: message sent in February 2021 to Kariana grandmother JD and
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: her husband WD, a Marojunga man, informing them in blunt
• 40:12
  Speaker 3: terms that Adam... who was attending his second day of kindergarten,
• 40:16
  Speaker 3: had been taken from a classroom in South Headland and
• 40:20
  Speaker 3: given permanently to his mother, a woman he hadn't spent
• 40:24
  Speaker 3: a night with since birth.
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: This is just unbelievable.
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: The text message from the South Headland District Office of
• 40:32
  Speaker 3: WA Child Protection was sent at 1.32pm, less than an
• 40:35
  Speaker 3: hour before the grandparents were due to collect the child
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: from school.
• 40:39
  Speaker 4: And this is the same type of worker... who told
• 40:43
  Speaker 4: the minister that everything was fine and there was no problem,
• 40:48
  Speaker 4: and the type of worker who the minister believed completely
• 40:52
  Speaker 4: at face value. So when I tell you that this
• 40:56
  Speaker 4: government and this minister made... very, very soon be not
• 41:00
  Speaker 4: much longer for this world.
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: Well, she shouldn't be in a job. No.
• 41:03
  Speaker 3: The reality is she needs to resign and she needs
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: to resign immediately because we've got the scandal happening in
• 41:08
  Speaker 3: South Hedland as it is. Now you've got these allegations
• 41:12
  Speaker 3: here in the paper. What is it going to take?
• 41:15
  Speaker 3: We're talking about children here. And this poor boy, this
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: poor child, what hope does he have?
• 41:21
  Speaker 7: He doesn't even know his mother, has never really spent
• 41:23
  Speaker 7: a night with her and is just being thrown into that.
• 41:26
  Speaker 7: We don't even know what is going on there. The
• 41:29
  Speaker 7: grandparents have had no opportunity to say goodbye, no opportunity to.
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: Fight for this child.
• 41:34
  Speaker 7: Everything about this is wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong. And I'm sorry,
• 41:38
  Speaker 7: but someone's head needs to roll over this one.
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: Totally. I think Jo's right. The minister may be no longer.
• 41:45
  Speaker 4: I'm pretty sure. If I was Roger Wyatt, just for
• 41:50
  Speaker 4: pure naked political self-interest, I would come in over the
• 41:53
  Speaker 4: top and say, right, Yeah.
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: Jess Stokowski, there she is on our screens right now.
• 41:58
  Speaker 3: That was the article that we had spoken about earlier.
• 42:01
  Speaker 3: You know, there's nothing to see here. There's no evidence
• 42:03
  Speaker 3: of squalor. Now, also on the front page of The Australian,
• 42:06
  Speaker 3: also in regards to this, an interesting story, put non-Aboriginal
• 42:10
  Speaker 3: adoptions on table. Former WA Premier Colin Barnett says WA
• 42:15
  Speaker 3: Labor needs to open the door for many more non-Aboriginal
• 42:18
  Speaker 3: couples to adopt abused Indigenous children and as Federal Indigenous
• 42:22
  Speaker 3: Australians Minister Malindiri McCarthy sought to deflect the crisis as
• 42:26
  Speaker 3: an issue that affects families across the country and not
• 42:29
  Speaker 3: just Aboriginal people. The nation's latest child safety scandal spilled
• 42:33
  Speaker 3: into federal parlour on Thursday as Mr Barnett, who oversaw
• 42:36
  Speaker 3: nine years of rapid increases in Aboriginal child removals in WA,
• 42:40
  Speaker 3: argued terrible revelations of bureaucratic inaction and errors in the
• 42:44
  Speaker 3: iron ore town of South Hedland compelled a rethink.
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: And look.
• 42:49
  Speaker 3: Colin Barnett has had, when he was Premier, been front
• 42:52
  Speaker 3: and centre of a number of these issues. So he
• 42:55
  Speaker 3: does understand the issues at hand here.
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: But he is right. Something has to be done.
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: And for malendeering McCarthy to basically deflect this and say, well,
• 43:07
  Speaker 3: it's only an issue that affects a small Aboriginal people.
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: It's happening in your portfolio.
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: She's meant to be the custodian of this portfolio and
• 43:15
  Speaker 3: she too is deflecting it.
• 43:17
  Speaker 4: Yeah, again... Telling people that what they're going through isn't
• 43:21
  Speaker 4: real is not a very smart political move.
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: It's a natural disgrace.
• 43:25
  Speaker 4: It doesn't work when the Treasurer says that the economy
• 43:27
  Speaker 4: is not going as bad as everyone is experiencing it going. Exactly.
• 43:31
  Speaker 4: It doesn't work when you're telling families that their kids
• 43:33
  Speaker 4: aren't really being abused.
• 43:34
  Speaker 7: No, watch this face. It is actually something that is disgusting. Now,
• 43:39
  Speaker 7: let's move to the Canberra Times, where Labor eyes smart
• 43:42
  Speaker 7: glasses ban in the public service.
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: The Albanese.
• 43:46
  Speaker 7: government wants to ban the use of so-called smart glasses
• 43:49
  Speaker 7: in the Australian public service in a move that would
• 43:52
  Speaker 7: be a global first. Finance and Public Service Minister Katie
• 43:56
  Speaker 7: Gallagher is seeking advice from the Australian Public Service Commission
• 44:00
  Speaker 7: on options to ban or restrict the use of glasses
• 44:03
  Speaker 7: capable of recording amid growing privacy and security concerns. Now,
• 44:09
  Speaker 7: This is really an interesting play here by the government.
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: They love a ban, don't they? They love to ban things. Yeah,
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: love a ban.
• 44:17
  Speaker 7: But, I mean, are people actually using them at work?
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: I don't understand.
• 44:21
  Speaker 4: I know if I had some smart glasses, the first
• 44:24
  Speaker 4: sexy images I'd want to get my... Get on my
• 44:28
  Speaker 4: iPhone as a senior Canberra bureaucrat, you know, hard at
• 44:32
  Speaker 4: work using Microsoft Excel to calculate... On.
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: Microsoft Teams or something. Because you know what?
• 44:39
  Speaker 7: The glasses, they record in 4D and that's exactly what
• 44:42
  Speaker 7: you want.
• 44:43
  Speaker 4: That's what you want to see. You want that in 4D.
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: Your co-workers in 4D.
• 44:46
  Speaker 4: You want Karen from Accounts.
• 44:48
  Speaker 3: Also, they're not the most slim line of glasses. It's
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: very obvious, I feel, when somebody is wearing them. They're
• 44:53
  Speaker 3: these big beasts and they're so thick you can't tell.
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: Depends if you have the Oakleys or the Ray-Bans or
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: whatever you have.
• 44:59
  Speaker 7: Look, I find it weird that people are going so
• 45:02
  Speaker 7: hard after these glasses. The actual threat to humanity by
• 45:06
  Speaker 7: these glasses is very minimal. They've been around for a
• 45:08
  Speaker 7: very long time. It's just interesting that people have kind
• 45:11
  Speaker 7: of just cottoned on that.
• 45:12
  Speaker 4: They actually exist. Yeah. Isn't there... Correct me if I'm wrong.
• 45:15
  Speaker 4: I'm an art student, not a lawyer. But isn't the
• 45:17
  Speaker 4: whole problem that... you don't know if you are being filmed.
• 45:21
  Speaker 7: No, it is with the knock-offs and that's the problem.
• 45:24
  Speaker 7: The knock-offs have really kind of gone to town. They've
• 45:27
  Speaker 7: gone to Kmart and they've just kind of flourished and
• 45:30
  Speaker 7: so everyone can get them, whereas.
• 45:32
  Speaker 4: The actual metaglasses... They're very reasonable price, I have to say. Yeah,
• 45:34
  Speaker 4: very reasonable price.
• 45:35
  Speaker 7: The metaglasses themselves have a light so you can.
• 45:37
  Speaker 4: Oh, OK, so you can tell. But even so, if
• 45:39
  Speaker 4: you're just, say I'm just, you know, say I'm just
• 45:42
  Speaker 4: watching or someone's... Say I've got my kids in the pool...
• 45:45
  Speaker 4: And I didn't want to make myself the pedophile in
• 45:47
  Speaker 4: this particular scenario. It just occurred to me. And I'm
• 45:50
  Speaker 4: watching someone who just looks like they're staring out, you know,
• 45:53
  Speaker 4: across the sunset. You can tell. But they're secretly filming.
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: But they're actually filming you. They want to film you, Jo,
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: because they think, hey, who's that good looker?
• 45:59
  Speaker 4: Hey, why are you filming my kids and not me?
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: No, who's that good looker, Jo Hildebrand? That's who they want.
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: All right, we're going to take a break.
• 46:05
  Speaker 3: Coming up next, Celine Dion's incredible transformation after years of
• 46:10
  Speaker 3: health issues.
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: We're going to play you a beautiful clip next. Welcome back.
• 46:18
  Speaker 3: Michelle, we've got an update on the duct-taped passenger.
• 46:20
  Speaker 7: Well, you may remember this duct-taped passenger. He was in
• 46:24
  Speaker 7: first class on American Airlines.
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: Oh, my God. Good grief.
• 46:28
  Speaker 7: He apparently, you know, had to be duct-taped to his seat.
• 46:31
  Speaker 7: Flight attendants took that extreme step of restraining him after
• 46:36
  Speaker 7: he allegedly began swearing and making offensive comments. the 67-year-old
• 46:40
  Speaker 7: who's vice president of a real estate firm in Tucson, Arizona,
• 46:43
  Speaker 7: was arrested after his flight. Now, after being read his charges,
• 46:48
  Speaker 7: second-degree assault and disorderly conduct, he.
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: Told the court, I assaulted a police officer? Is that
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: what it says? I don't have my glasses. And then
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: he's like, oh, my God, what a mess.
• 46:58
  Speaker 7: I don't remember any of it.
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: Was he drunk? He doesn't remember any of it.
• 47:01
  Speaker 4: I believe so. He was slurring everything one of the
• 47:04
  Speaker 4: witnesses said and, of course, as he says, he doesn't
• 47:07
  Speaker 4: remember it. Just thinking... If you're duct taped like that,
• 47:10
  Speaker 4: it's hard enough to get out of your seat to
• 47:12
  Speaker 4: go to the toilet on a plane at the best
• 47:14
  Speaker 4: of times when you're not taped into it. He's going
• 47:18
  Speaker 4: to be.
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: Do you reckon they'll have to cut him out?
• 47:20
  Speaker 6: Yeah.
• 47:20
  Speaker 4: I'm just saying, if you're drunk that much, I mean, look.
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: He's a real estate agent, of course he's drunk. He's
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: a real estate agent.
• 47:26
  Speaker 4: I'm just saying, you know, there might be a little
• 47:29
  Speaker 4: clean-up in aisle nine.
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: If you don't mind, we get you. We got you.
• 47:33
  Speaker 4: Now, this is something that I can very much relate
• 47:36
  Speaker 4: to because I thought I owned... the world's worst guard dog,
• 47:40
  Speaker 4: but apparently a Californian family has beaten me to it.
• 47:45
  Speaker 4: A 90-pound pooch named Nash had a somewhat unexpectedly friendly
• 47:51
  Speaker 4: reaction when an intruder broke into the very home he
• 47:55
  Speaker 4: was supposed to be protecting. Have a look.
• 47:58
  Speaker 8: Right under the dining table is Nash, Rowley's maybe too
• 48:02
  Speaker 8: friendly golden retriever.
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: Nash was not the greatest guard dog.
• 48:05
  Speaker 4: We thought that he was going to be barking at people,
• 48:08
  Speaker 4: and he did the exact opposite.
• 48:09
  Speaker 8: Not once, not twice, but three different times, Nash simply
• 48:13
  Speaker 8: brings the intruder a toy. Even as police arrived, he's unfazed,
• 48:19
  Speaker 8: grabbing his toy to greet the officers.
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: Aw.
• 48:25
  Speaker 4: I've got to say, I can empathise. My dog barks
• 48:27
  Speaker 4: when friends come over, family come over, my mother.
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: There you go.
• 48:31
  Speaker 4: The person dropping off my booze for the second time.
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: A bit of everything. The dog.
• 48:35
  Speaker 4: Absolutely everything. That's right. And we had a burglar come
• 48:37
  Speaker 4: in and steal my wallet. There you go. All right.
• 48:40
  Speaker 3: Now, I'm sure we're all a fan of Celine Dion.
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: My heart will go on.
• 48:43
  Speaker 3: She's made a miraculous comeback after being diagnosed with stiff
• 48:46
  Speaker 3: person syndrome, sold out concerts in Paris, and here she
• 48:50
  Speaker 3: was delighting fans outside her Paris hotel. how good to
• 49:09
  Speaker 3: see her so healthy and here she was uh on
• 49:11
  Speaker 3: stage the other night and she just looks so well
• 49:13
  Speaker 3: uh beautiful stunning woman.
• 49:14
  Speaker 7: And you have to watch the documentary if you have
• 49:16
  Speaker 7: not seen it yeah i cannot recommend it enough.
• 49:19
  Speaker 3: It would be so good. All right, that's all we've
• 49:21
  Speaker 3: got time for. Thanks to the both of you. Coming
• 49:23
  Speaker 3: up next, it's The Rita Panahy Show.
• 49:24
  Speaker 4: Good night.