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The Kenny Report | 23 April · The Kenny Report

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Speaker 1: Live from the Sky New Center.
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Speaker 2: This is the Kenny Report.
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Speaker 3: Thanks ros So, I'm looking forward to that one. I
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Speaker 3: love it when Andrew Canell Clonel gets to interview Anthony Alberzi.
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Speaker 3: Thanks for joining me here on the Kenny Report tonight.
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Speaker 3: The economic challenge that sees us paying record amounts of
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Speaker 3: income tax while wearing record debt, and yet the government
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Speaker 3: forces over sixty fives to pay more for private health cover.
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Speaker 3: As we prepare for Anzac Day ceremonies around the country,
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Speaker 3: I'll speak with Sir Peter Cosgrove about a special event
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Speaker 3: at one of the country's most famous places. And after
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Speaker 3: BONDI with Islamist extremists abroad and at home at war
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Speaker 3: against us, the Sydney City Council hosts an event backing
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Speaker 3: the chanting of globalized the Interfada on the Middle East War.
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Speaker 3: Tom Switzer joins me, and don't forget the National Cabinet.
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Speaker 3: With Tim and Mark, they'll make more sense than all
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Speaker 3: of our so called leaders.
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Speaker 1: Let's get into it.
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Speaker 3: With the budget less than three weeks away, it's hardly
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Speaker 3: breaking news that we're in economic strife. Debt is about
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Speaker 3: to top a trillion dollars one thousand billion dollars for
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Speaker 3: the first time. Inflation, fueled by record government spending, is
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Speaker 3: outstripping most wages. Growth, sending US backwards as a cost
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Speaker 3: of living crisis is driven by escalating electricity prices, which
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Speaker 3: in turn come from Labour's net zero obsession. Housing is
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Speaker 3: too scarce and too expensive. Yet immigration is run at
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Speaker 3: record levels and the outlook is terrible because productivity is
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Speaker 3: not improving. Parliamentary Budget Office analysis says this lack of
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Speaker 3: productivity growth means debt will continue to build for years
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Speaker 3: to come. No wonder the alban easy Labor government is
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Speaker 3: now promising finally to cut back on the NDIS, a
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Speaker 3: runaway scheme already costing fifty billion dollars a year and
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Speaker 3: on track to reach one hundred billion dollars a year
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Speaker 3: within a decade. Labour's promising to kick one hundred and
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Speaker 3: sixty thousand people off the scheme that screen blue murder
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Speaker 3: if the Liberals attempted to do that. In fact, Labor
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Speaker 3: blocked Liberal efforts to fix the NDIS. When they are
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Speaker 3: in power, Labor typically promises to do this, though without
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Speaker 3: any pain.
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Speaker 4: I'm the son of what was then called an invalid pensioner,
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Speaker 4: A single mump. I understand what it's like for people
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Speaker 4: to have disabilities, and I will always do it and
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Speaker 4: fight for them to get the care that they need.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, Albo, we know your story mate, We've heard
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Speaker 3: it a million times. You've got to stop telling that
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Speaker 3: and do something. Shadow Finance Minister Claire Chandler has highlighted
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Speaker 3: the Budget Office analysis about our growing debt problem and
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Speaker 3: noted that while the Coalition has repaid massive labor debt
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Speaker 3: in the past, debt now is a bigger share of
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Speaker 3: the economy than back in nine ninety six when Paul
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Speaker 3: Keating handed over to John Howard. It's a gargantuan task
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Speaker 3: even if you started now, and labor of course won't
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Speaker 3: start now. I wouldn't even trust them to deliver half
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Speaker 3: the cuts to the NDIS that they've promised. And will
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Speaker 3: they ever shrink the size of government. They've added more
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Speaker 3: than forty thousand federal public servants to Canberra in just
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Speaker 3: four years, ten thousand extra public servants a year doing
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Speaker 3: what working from home on not much at all. I'd
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Speaker 3: reckon the government waste and the tax burden it leaves
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Speaker 3: on all of us. Must be getting pretty bad when
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Speaker 3: even the ABC can't ignore it.
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Speaker 5: And today the ABS produced government finance statistics for the
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Speaker 5: twenty twenty four twenty five financial year for all levels
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Speaker 5: of government money in one point one four trillion dollars
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Speaker 5: money out one point one six trillion total deficit eight
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Speaker 5: point one six billion, down from an eighteen billion dollar
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Speaker 5: surplus the year before. New borrowing one hre and twelve billion.
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Speaker 1: And where are they getting their money from?
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Speaker 5: Well, increasingly income tax Australia has the second highest reliance
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Speaker 5: on that in the world.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, we're slugged by high income taxes as government spending
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Speaker 3: growth outstrips revenue growth. And the other place they're getting
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Speaker 3: their money is from debt. Of course, they're borrowing more,
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Speaker 3: which is just future tax taxes that will be paid
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Speaker 3: by our kids. So that's the mess we're in. Labour
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Speaker 3: needs to start the turnaround in the budget. Don't get
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Speaker 3: your hopes up. They'll do what they always do and
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Speaker 3: try to grab more tax On Saturday, Anzac Day will
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Speaker 3: commemorate the original Anzas and honor all our service personnel,
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Speaker 3: living and dead. It's a solemn day, one of gratitude.
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Speaker 3: It's our national day. But many of our leaders will
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Speaker 3: delude themselves that we're doing this at a time of peace,
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Speaker 3: that we're not at war, even though the US and
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Speaker 3: Israel are at war with Iran in the Middle East
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Speaker 3: at the moment, and we have a Wedgetail aircraft there
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Speaker 3: with Cruse helping to defend the Gulf States. But whether
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Speaker 3: we like it or not, even though we're not helping
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Speaker 3: our allies in.
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Speaker 1: The Middle East, we are at war.
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Speaker 3: Sadly, less than eighteen months ago, the Islamist theocracy of Iran,
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Speaker 3: through its Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps, organized to have the
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Speaker 3: Adas Synagogue fire bonb in Melbourne to inflame more antisemitism here.
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Speaker 3: This place of worship was destroyed. Fortunately no one was killed,
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Speaker 3: but the Islamist extremism and anti Semitism that the Iranian
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Speaker 3: regime loves kept fermenting, and just five months ago, just
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Speaker 3: meters from where the famous North Bondi dawn service will
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Speaker 3: be held again this Saturday, dozens of people, mainly Jewish Australians,
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Speaker 3: were gunned down and fifteen were killed. Islamic State and
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Speaker 3: other Islamist extremists welcomed the Bondai attack immediately. They celebrated it,
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Speaker 3: just as we saw some Australian Muslims celebrate the October
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Speaker 3: the seventh atrocities in Israel, and today The Australian has
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Speaker 3: reported another missive from the Islamic State about the Bondai massacre.
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Speaker 3: The terrorist group says the Sydney attack was just the
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Speaker 3: beginning and they will kill until we grow weary of
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Speaker 3: burying the dead. They said the attack was carried out
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Speaker 3: by lone soldiers of Islamic State against Jews in Australia
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Speaker 3: and apart from heavy casualties, it was a major blow
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Speaker 3: to the intellectual invasion of Jews and their supporters, and
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Speaker 3: Islamic States said it demonstrated to the Umah, that is
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Speaker 3: all Muslims that attacks like this were the path to salvation,
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Speaker 3: and it said it is woe for Muslims not to
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Speaker 3: understand the combatants and non combatants right around the world,
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Speaker 3: stressing there is no such thing as a non combatant kafir,
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Speaker 3: that is a non Muslim. In other words, any non
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Speaker 3: Muslim is a legitimate target. Horrific, disgusting and disturbing stuff
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Speaker 3: rejected of course by most Muslims, but there it is now.
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Speaker 3: Iran has sponsored Islamist terrorism around the world. It has
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Speaker 3: fueled anti Semitism here, and it has funded and largely
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Speaker 3: directed its proxies in the Middle East, the Hamas and
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Speaker 3: Hesbalah and the huts. The extremists hate Israel, the US
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Speaker 3: and the West, including Australia, whether we like it or not,
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Speaker 3: whether we try to ignore it or not, they are
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Speaker 3: at war against us, and in this climate, have a
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Speaker 3: look at how we don't even stand up for our
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Speaker 3: own values.
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Speaker 1: Next month, in an art center owned.
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Speaker 3: By the Sydney City Council in Inner City Darlinghurst, a
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Speaker 3: forum will be held about how it is right to
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Speaker 3: say globalize the Interfarta yet a forum in support of
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Speaker 3: calling for Interfarda. Now, the anti Israel and pro Palestinian
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Speaker 3: protesters like to argue that the word interfarda literally means
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Speaker 3: uprising or shaking off, but of course it's normal and
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Speaker 3: well understood. Meaning is violence against Jews and Israel. I've
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Speaker 3: shown you footage before the suicide bombings and other random
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Speaker 3: attacks that killed thousands of Inner cit Israelis in the
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Speaker 3: interfartas of the early nineties and the two thousands, and
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Speaker 3: I've also shown you how protesters charted for Interfarda at
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Speaker 3: Bondi Beach in September last year. Man, and just three
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Speaker 3: months after that we saw what globalizing the Interafada means
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Speaker 3: in hard reality. We saw that sickening attack at Bondi
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Speaker 3: and fifteen innocent Australians were killed, the worst terror attack
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Speaker 3: in Australia. How could anyone in this country ever again
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Speaker 3: call for inter farda. Yet in less than two weeks
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Speaker 3: at a Sydney Council center there will be a forum
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Speaker 3: for people who say it is right to chant globalize
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Speaker 3: the inter Farda. Sydney's Lord Mayor is doing nothing to
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Speaker 3: stop it, nor is the Premier Chris Mins. Islamist's extremists
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Speaker 3: are at war against us, against Western liberal democracies, whether
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Speaker 3: most of us understand that or not, and we do
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Speaker 3: not even cool them out, let alone defend ourselves. It's
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Speaker 3: as obscene as it is dangerous.
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Speaker 1: Now.
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Speaker 3: One man who has taken up this fight over the
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Speaker 3: Interfarta forum is the editor of Sydney's Daily Telegraph, Ben English,
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Speaker 3: and he joins me here on the desk.
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Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us, Ben.
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Speaker 3: This is astounding that this forum would go ahead in
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Speaker 3: a council building.
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Speaker 1: What has the Lord Mayor Clover Moore said to you nothing.
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Speaker 6: We've put, as you can imagine, repeated questions to her
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Speaker 6: and to her office, and they've treated those questions with disdain.
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Speaker 6: She's jerry manned the electoral situation. That's why she's been
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Speaker 6: in power for twenty two years. So she just carries
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Speaker 6: on with impunity, and as a result, we see abominations
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Speaker 6: such as this. I mean, this is, as you well articulated,
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Speaker 6: an absolute disgrace that this is happening months after the
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Speaker 6: worst atrocity, the worst terror attack on specifically on Jews,
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Speaker 6: on our soil.
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Speaker 1: It is just grotesque.
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Speaker 3: And when you were saying it is right to chat
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Speaker 3: globalize the into Fada, you're effectively saying it's right to
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Speaker 3: incite violence against Jews at Israel.
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Speaker 6: In the wake of the October seven attacks, Humma specifically
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Speaker 6: called out into Fada. It wasn't officially the name of
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Speaker 6: the attacks on October seven, but it was cited and
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Speaker 6: invoked repeatedly after that as a description.
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Speaker 1: Of what had happened.
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Speaker 2: It was part of the indo Fata.
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Speaker 6: No one in their right mind can think of the
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Speaker 6: Fada as simply this peace loving uprising.
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Speaker 2: Come on, let's get real here.
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Speaker 3: In fact, there are many observers, including in the Muslim world,
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Speaker 3: who call that October the seventh attack, the third into Farda.
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Speaker 1: It is sickening.
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Speaker 3: What about the state premier, What about Chris Mins? Why
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Speaker 3: wouldn't he step in to try and stop this, because
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Speaker 3: he's pathetic.
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Speaker 6: You know, I've been one of the biggest supporters of
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Speaker 6: Chris Mins, and he's been you know, we've both said
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Speaker 6: he was actually outstanding in the days after the December fourteen,
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Speaker 6: But in this respect, he won't even pick up the phone.
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Speaker 6: And his excuse, I wish she wouldn't have listened to me.
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Speaker 2: Well, that's not good enough.
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Speaker 6: Pick up the phone anyway. But also the research that
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Speaker 6: we've done today would indicate that you can actually enforce
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Speaker 6: your will on a local council. There is delegated authority
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Speaker 6: that exists, It can be invoked.
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Speaker 1: I mean the premier. For the premier step in and
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Speaker 1: overall the council.
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Speaker 6: He could actually say, well, most of their funding and
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Speaker 6: most of their authority is delegated from the state, and
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Speaker 6: he could withdraw that authority.
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Speaker 2: It's been done before.
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Speaker 6: There have been councils that have been sacked before, and
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Speaker 6: you know, people might say, oh, this is a minor issue.
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Speaker 6: This is a major issue.
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Speaker 3: This is a major issue because apart from everything else,
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Speaker 3: it would be horrible wherever this occurred. But this is
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Speaker 3: happening in Darlinghurst, which is the inner east of Sydney.
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Speaker 3: Just up the road from there is the Sydney Jewish Museum.
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Speaker 3: And in the area, of course, there are Jewish communities,
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Speaker 3: Jewish synagogues, and our fellow Australians who happen to be
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Speaker 3: Jewish are wandering around this city as we speak, and
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Speaker 3: in Melbourne and around this country knowing that there is
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Speaker 3: going to be a forum cheering for globalizing the inter fada.
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Speaker 3: No matter what we've seen at Bondai. It is grotesque
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Speaker 3: as a nation.
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Speaker 1: How can we accept it?
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Speaker 6: We must not. I'm just dwelling on the location. There's
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Speaker 6: no accident. It's deliberately in an area where there are
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Speaker 6: a lot of Jews live. The intention is to provoke,
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Speaker 6: the intention is to hurt.
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Speaker 1: And in timidant.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, and this is the time when we should be Look,
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Speaker 6: it's barely four months since this attack. We should be
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Speaker 6: wrapping our arms around the Jewish community. Everyone in Sydney
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Speaker 6: should be actually protesting outside town Hall and saying do
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Speaker 6: not do this.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, well said Ben, and congratulations on the reporting in
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Speaker 3: your paper. Let's see what happens, Thanks Benningley Sair, the
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Speaker 3: editor of the Daily Telegraph.
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Speaker 1: Now Labor is copying it.
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Speaker 3: From over sixty five's after scrapping the higher private health
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Speaker 3: insurance subsidy, meaning premiums will rise by up to six
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Speaker 3: hundred and forty dollars a year for the over sixty fives.
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Speaker 3: Here's the Health Minister Mark Butler yesterday.
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Speaker 7: Right now we subsidize private health cover for Australians over
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Speaker 7: sixty five at a higher rate.
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Speaker 1: Than other Australians.
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Speaker 7: It means two households on the same income receiving different
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Speaker 7: levels of government support based only on their age. And
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Speaker 7: that's simply not fair between generations.
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Speaker 3: I thought we gave seniors discounts and all sorts of
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Speaker 3: things for good reason, and surely it helps the public
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Speaker 3: health system if they stay in private health. Shadow Health
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Speaker 3: Minister Anne Rustin has slammed the change.
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Speaker 8: These aren't wealthy older Australians. Many of them are pensioners.
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Speaker 8: National Seniors have indicated that anywhere up to fifty five
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Speaker 8: percent of pensioners will choose to keep their private health
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Speaker 8: insurance because they value it so much, because they know
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Speaker 8: as they get older, they're more lightly to draw on
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Speaker 8: health services. So I think you know what the government
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Speaker 8: has done here. They're making older Australians for the mess
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Speaker 8: they've made in age care.
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Speaker 3: Let's bring in doctor Rachel David, the CEO of Private
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Speaker 3: health Care Australia.
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Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us.
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Speaker 3: Doctor tell us how many people will be affected by
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Speaker 3: this and how many you expect will actually lose or
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Speaker 3: give up their private health insurance.
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Speaker 9: Look, it's going to affect about one point four million
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Speaker 9: people in total. We don't expect that a lot are
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Speaker 9: going to drop out of private health insurance straight away
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Speaker 9: because they just need it so desperately. This is a
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Speaker 9: group of people who are at the age where they
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Speaker 9: need things like joint replacements, stans in their heart, back
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Speaker 9: pain surgery and so forth, and most of them are
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Speaker 9: desperate to hang onto their insurance. But the problem with
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Speaker 9: it is it's going to make the cost of that
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Speaker 9: insurance go up quite significantly. So if your age between
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Speaker 9: sixty five and sixty nine, you can expect it your
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Speaker 9: premium to be five percent more expensive, or about to
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Speaker 9: fifty three hundred dollars if you're aged over seventy, depending
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Speaker 9: on what sort of policy you've got, it's going to
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Speaker 9: go up by five about five to seven hundred dollars.
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Speaker 9: And people will be desperate to keep their health insurance,
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Speaker 9: so what they're likely to do is downgrade to products
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Speaker 9: with exclusions. But that means when they do get sick,
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Speaker 9: they're going to end up in the public hospital system
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Speaker 9: and put more pressure on emergency departments and more pressure
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Speaker 9: on waiting lists.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: Well, there are good reasons behind having this better rebate
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Speaker 3: for older Australians obviously, because after sixty five, whether people
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Speaker 3: are on a pension or they're self funded, obviously they're
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Speaker 3: going in the retirement and have less disposable income. But
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Speaker 3: it's also good for our health system, isn't it for
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Speaker 3: them to stay in private healthcare so that they don't
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Speaker 3: end up in the public system, just when, as you say,
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Speaker 3: there's all sorts of extra medical procedures that might be required.
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Speaker 3: So to me, apart from hurting these older Australians, it
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Speaker 3: could hurt the public health system.
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Speaker 9: It will definitely impact the public health system. Two thirds
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Speaker 9: of the essential elective surgery that takes place in Australia
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Speaker 9: is funded by the private system. And if people start
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Speaker 9: people just at the age when they know that they're
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Speaker 9: going to need to use their health insurance need to
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Speaker 9: drop back or drop out because of the cost, that's
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Speaker 9: exactly where they're going to end up on a public
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Speaker 9: hospital waiting list or in an emergency department when that
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Speaker 9: just never needed to happen.
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Speaker 3: Just quite apart from this change, give us a sense
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Speaker 3: of what's been happening with private health insurance over the
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Speaker 3: past couple of years in this cost of living crisis.
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Speaker 3: Have you been losing more insurers? Have people been dropping
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Speaker 3: out because of the cost pressures?
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Speaker 9: Actually, the sector's been growing even though that there are
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Speaker 9: significant cost pressures and a significant inflation in the private
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Speaker 9: health sector, which has been a problem to deal with.
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Speaker 9: It's growing because the sort of services that people need
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Speaker 9: aren't being offered in the public hospital system. There've been
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Speaker 9: weight lists that are out of control, and ambulance ramping
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Speaker 9: that is out of control in a number of states,
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Speaker 9: and certain specific services like weight loss surgery and some
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Speaker 9: types of mental health care just aren't offered in public hospitals,
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Speaker 9: which is why people they don't just choose to have
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Speaker 9: private health insurance. They absolutely need it.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, they prioritize it over other spending. Thanks so much
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Speaker 3: for joining us, Rachel. I appreciate it. This doctor Rachel
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Speaker 3: David who's with the private Healthcare Australia.
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Speaker 1: She's the CEO there.
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Speaker 3: I want to go now to the shadow Regional Health
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Speaker 3: Minister and Webster, she joins us live from miljur are
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Speaker 3: good to talk to you again, and I want to
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Speaker 3: get your thoughts on the Prime Minister's National Cabinet on
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Speaker 3: the fuel crisis again today and him boasting about rustling
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Speaker 3: up an extra three days a diesel supply to arrive
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Speaker 3: here in about six weeks.
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Speaker 1: What do you make of all?
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Speaker 3: This seems to be a flurry of pretending to be
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Speaker 3: acting when there's not much happening from government at all, except,
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Speaker 3: of course the excise cup.
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Speaker 10: Chris, I really appreciate being on. I think that the
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Speaker 10: Prime Minister is clutching at straws. We know that labor
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Speaker 10: are very good at the marketing, you know, if they're
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Speaker 10: going to do anything. Every time I think about Alban Easier,
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Speaker 10: I think about, you know, the nursery rhyme where the
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Speaker 10: boy put in his thumb and pulled out a plumb
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Speaker 10: and thought, what a good boy am I? I mean, honestly,
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Speaker 10: that's about the standard three days of fuel and we
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Speaker 10: should apparently all be applauding his efforts.
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Speaker 11: I don't know how much jet.
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Speaker 10: Fuel he used while he was flying around Asia trying
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Speaker 10: to shore up those contracts, which some countries made very
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Speaker 10: clear would be dependent on their own domestic needs. Well,
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Speaker 10: the longer this goes on, the more at risk our
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Speaker 10: supply is. And frankly, I don't think Australians are being
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Speaker 10: taken in. And there are plenty of industries that are
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Speaker 10: really struggling now with fuel costs.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, especially in the regional ara is as we've discussed before.
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Speaker 3: Just on that though, the Prime Minister says they're looking
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Speaker 3: at perhaps some government assistance to get another refinery built
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Speaker 3: in this country. Is this a pipe dream? We've had
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Speaker 3: about eight of them closed. Could we actually see a
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Speaker 3: new refinery built here?
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Speaker 11: I hope so, I absolutely hope. So it's what we need.
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Speaker 10: We also need to drill for oil and we also
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Speaker 10: need to drill for more gas. The problem is that
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Speaker 10: the Prime Minister and his Energy minister.
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Speaker 11: Is absolutely focused.
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Speaker 10: On their green dream and their ideology and their commitment
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Speaker 10: to see prices come down in electricity by.
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Speaker 11: Going all renewable. We know that is not working.
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Speaker 10: We also know that there is a huge pushback in
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Speaker 10: the bush, certainly in my electric I've got farmers at
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Speaker 10: their farm gates today blocking Vicgrid from being able to
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Speaker 10: come onto their property.
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Speaker 11: Rights are being.
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Speaker 10: Eroad can and oil? Can a fuel refinery survive?
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Speaker 2: Well?
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Speaker 10: I think there are several things in the mix here.
21:07
Speaker 10: One is the labor market. Our cost of labor is
21:11
Speaker 10: hugely high. No comment about that. We made that decision
21:14
Speaker 10: many decades ago, but it is a factor. Energy costs
21:18
Speaker 10: are huge and we're not drilling our own oil to
21:22
Speaker 10: a point where you would say that refineries could expect
21:27
Speaker 10: to punch out, you know, millions and millions.
21:30
Speaker 11: Of barrels of oil.
21:32
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, Sorry, Phil.
21:33
Speaker 3: I noticed the Prime Minister talking about diversifying our supplies
21:38
Speaker 3: of fuels today and he mentioned a number of countries.
21:41
Speaker 3: He didn't mention Australia. Australia would be the best country
21:44
Speaker 3: for us to get to our oil and we were
21:47
Speaker 3: once seal sufficient in oil, we could be again.
21:50
Speaker 1: And maybe that's the sort.
21:51
Speaker 3: Of a forward thinking policy we need where we drill
21:55
Speaker 3: for our own oil and make sure that it is
21:57
Speaker 3: refined in Australia. Then we have some of that so
22:00
Speaker 3: and security that everybody talks about but nobody acts on.
22:03
Speaker 3: I want to go back to what you were saying
22:05
Speaker 3: about renewable energy and the focus on that. It's coming
22:08
Speaker 3: to extra focus for people who don't normally hear about
22:10
Speaker 3: that this week because of the Channel seven Spotlight program
22:14
Speaker 3: looking at the sorts of issues that we look at
22:16
Speaker 3: it in this program all the time.
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Speaker 1: So it's great to see that attention.
22:20
Speaker 3: But it was a worry today to see Chris Bowen again,
22:23
Speaker 3: the Climate and Energy Minister, boasting about how much more
22:28
Speaker 3: renewable energy is coming in, who is going to be
22:31
Speaker 3: built out in the incoming years.
22:33
Speaker 1: Have a look the.
22:34
Speaker 12: Fact that we now have sixty seven point three gigawatts
22:37
Speaker 12: of new renewable energy investment in our pipeline, which compares
22:42
Speaker 12: to the seventy three gigawats that exists. That's the scale
22:45
Speaker 12: of the pipeline that is being built across the country,
22:48
Speaker 12: with more early stage proposals in the AEMA pipeline and
22:52
Speaker 12: more gigawats having hit the grid actually being connected in
22:55
Speaker 12: the last quarter.
22:57
Speaker 3: And Webster this is a sobering thought because you think
23:00
Speaker 3: about all the land being cleared now, all the fights
23:04
Speaker 3: with landovers over transmission lines and offshore wind turbines and
23:09
Speaker 3: solar farms and the like, whatever you see is happening.
23:12
Speaker 1: Now.
23:13
Speaker 3: He's saying that we're going to double that with the
23:15
Speaker 3: next round of investments. So these fights are just going
23:18
Speaker 3: to go on all over the country.
23:22
Speaker 10: Look, I think Australians are so angry right now out
23:27
Speaker 10: in the regions where sick to death of being treated
23:30
Speaker 10: as second class citizens.
23:32
Speaker 11: Farmers are sick and.
23:34
Speaker 10: Tired of their rights being eroded, particularly by the Victorian
23:38
Speaker 10: State labor government.
23:40
Speaker 11: They are absolutely over it. And then we've.
23:43
Speaker 10: Got a government, you know, an energy minister who is
23:47
Speaker 10: tone deaf.
23:49
Speaker 11: I mean, if he.
23:50
Speaker 10: Watched Liam Bartlett's Spotlight program the other night, perhaps he
23:55
Speaker 10: has a moral bone in his body that makes him
23:59
Speaker 10: think twice about the imports from China that we are
24:03
Speaker 10: gleefully bringing in. It's really distressing to see the blindness,
24:11
Speaker 10: the deafness, the I don't care.
24:13
Speaker 11: And as for the Greens, I mean it.
24:17
Speaker 10: Was heightening to see Bob Brown actually say this is bad.
24:23
Speaker 10: This whole process, the green energy process is bad.
24:27
Speaker 11: For Australia and it's bad for our environment.
24:29
Speaker 10: Well, thankfully somebody is stepping up from that side of
24:33
Speaker 10: politics and saying the truth.
24:35
Speaker 11: Australians know it. We're not fools.
24:38
Speaker 10: And it would be just fabulous if the Labor government
24:41
Speaker 10: stopped treating Australians as fools.
24:45
Speaker 1: Spot on and thanks so much for joining US. I
24:46
Speaker 1: appreciate it.
24:47
Speaker 3: And Webster their nationals MP in Mildura joining US live.
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Speaker 1: We're going to get to a break.
24:53
Speaker 3: On the other side, Iran has attacked three ships in
24:56
Speaker 3: the stratup for Moors.
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Speaker 1: Tom Switzer will join me.
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Speaker 3: There is still no sign of a second round of
25:05
Speaker 3: peace talks between the US and Iran Ivannight, the regime
25:09
Speaker 3: attacked three commercial ships in the Strait of Hormuz as
25:13
Speaker 3: America's blockade continues.
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Speaker 1: Here's the latest from Fox News.
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Speaker 13: The US Iran ceasefire is technically still in effect, but
25:21
Speaker 13: it's not stopping attacks in the Strait of Hormuz. Iranian
25:25
Speaker 13: gunboats fired on at least three trade ships Wednesday, and
25:28
Speaker 13: Iran state media claims its military sees two of them.
25:32
Speaker 13: The president's critics think Iran's remaining leaders are stringing him along,
25:36
Speaker 13: but the White House believes a deal is still within
25:39
Speaker 13: reach and is giving Iran's military and political players time
25:42
Speaker 13: to agree on next steps.
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Speaker 14: The fact that they cannot send a unified message yet,
25:47
Speaker 14: which is why the President decided to extend this easefire,
25:50
Speaker 14: just shows how effective Operation Epic Fury truly was.
25:55
Speaker 3: Let's bring in again Tom Switzer columnusts with the astrail
25:57
Speaker 3: and good to.
25:57
Speaker 1: Talk to you again, Tom Chris.
25:59
Speaker 3: Now, there are no shortage of Trump critics around the world.
26:03
Speaker 3: He's the easiest man in the world to criticize. But
26:06
Speaker 3: and they blame him for what's.
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Speaker 1: Going on here. But doesn't it look like Iran is
26:13
Speaker 1: The Iran.
26:14
Speaker 3: Leadership is divided, is in a mess, and perhaps there
26:20
Speaker 3: isn't a strong leadership to actually deal with, to actually
26:25
Speaker 3: send to the negotiating table.
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Speaker 15: Well, since February twenty eight, there's no question that the
26:29
Speaker 15: Iran has been battered and bruised economically, militarily. It's lost
26:33
Speaker 15: a lot of important political, military, and intelligence leaders, and
26:38
Speaker 15: of course the supreme leader. There are serious doubts about
26:42
Speaker 15: his capacity to act.
26:44
Speaker 2: In a normal manner.
26:45
Speaker 15: But Trump claims he's won the war, and he feels
26:49
Speaker 15: that by winning the war.
26:51
Speaker 2: He can dispense with concessions.
26:53
Speaker 15: But the reality is the Islamic Republic still exists as
26:57
Speaker 15: far as we know, and a strong case can be
26:59
Speaker 15: made that they have more leverage today than they did
27:02
Speaker 15: before February twenty eight.
27:04
Speaker 3: But his blockade will be increasing the financial pressure on
27:08
Speaker 3: the leadership there day in day out.
27:10
Speaker 1: We know they've been militarily decimated.
27:13
Speaker 3: Maybe he's right, maybe the regime itself is on the
27:15
Speaker 3: brink of collapse.
27:17
Speaker 15: Well, the regime has an interest in staring down this
27:22
Speaker 15: blockade because they feel that a war would actually be
27:27
Speaker 15: better for them than a bad peace deal, and they
27:31
Speaker 15: feel that they have cards up their sleeve. You know,
27:33
Speaker 15: Henry Kissinger once said, the key to negotiations, to make
27:36
Speaker 15: them successful, you need to know what the other side
27:39
Speaker 15: is thinking. You've got to put yourself in your opponent's
27:41
Speaker 15: shoes and look at the world from their perspective. Sisely,
27:43
Speaker 15: and from tay Rhan's perspective, they feel that they've prevailed,
27:47
Speaker 15: that they still have a uranium and rich men and program.
27:51
Speaker 15: They still have their militia proxies like Hamas and Hesbler
27:54
Speaker 15: and the hoothy rebels in Yemen, but.
27:56
Speaker 3: Their economy is being strangled their countries in the virtual
28:00
Speaker 3: lockdown because of war with an internet blackout.
28:04
Speaker 1: I mean they are under siege as we speak.
28:06
Speaker 15: Yeah, but they've been under siege for the last six
28:09
Speaker 15: weeks and they're still there.
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Speaker 14: Yeah.
28:10
Speaker 15: I mean, you know, on February twenty eight, the overwhelming
28:13
Speaker 15: conventional wisdom, and we shared this view, is that you
28:15
Speaker 15: bring down the eye tooler, the regime would come crumbling
28:18
Speaker 15: down within a few weeks.
28:20
Speaker 2: It hasn't happened yet.
28:21
Speaker 1: Well, I don't know.
28:22
Speaker 3: I've ever thought it was a photo compliant it would
28:24
Speaker 3: be super quick. But I think I thought then that
28:26
Speaker 3: it could happen, and I still think it could happen.
28:29
Speaker 3: We don't really know, but it would be better if
28:32
Speaker 3: there were negotiations happening. I'm just trying to work out
28:35
Speaker 3: why Iran is not coming to the table, and that
28:37
Speaker 3: might be because they don't really know who they've got
28:40
Speaker 3: or what they want to bring.
28:40
Speaker 15: Well, they feel that Trump has not taking them seriously.
28:44
Speaker 15: I mean, if Trump wants to impose his terms on Iran,
28:47
Speaker 15: why would they come to the negotiating Surely.
28:49
Speaker 3: What we should want as the West, right, no matter
28:50
Speaker 3: what you think of Trump, Yeah, what we want here
28:53
Speaker 3: is that is no uranium nuclear weapons program in Iran,
28:58
Speaker 3: no sponsoring of tears by Iran, and no ability to
29:03
Speaker 3: strike militarily against its neighbors. Because surely we want that.
29:08
Speaker 2: But what's in it for Iran? What do they get
29:10
Speaker 2: out of that? That's what they would say to you.
29:13
Speaker 3: Well, the Iranian people get plenty out of it, right,
29:16
Speaker 3: I'm talking about the Iranian regime, whether it's it's nothing about, whether.
29:21
Speaker 15: It's the moderate, the so called moderate Foreign Ministry or
29:24
Speaker 15: the more extreme GC.
29:26
Speaker 1: It gets nothing out of that.
29:28
Speaker 15: Yeah, well, that's why would they go to the peace
29:30
Speaker 15: negotiating table. They're going to continue to play hardball so
29:33
Speaker 15: they can bring it out so that the Trump in
29:36
Speaker 15: an election year, pulled out. That's what their calculation is, Chris.
29:39
Speaker 3: Yeah, until the calculation becomes one instead of hanging on
29:43
Speaker 3: the power. If there's a choice between power and survival,
29:46
Speaker 3: they might choose survival.
29:47
Speaker 1: It's a fascinating debate.
29:49
Speaker 3: I wish we were in Tehran so we could work
29:51
Speaker 3: out exactly what's going on.
29:52
Speaker 1: I've been there. I'll tell you what. It's never easy
29:54
Speaker 1: to work out what's going on in day run.
29:56
Speaker 3: But I want to show you this exchange, because this,
29:59
Speaker 3: to me shows the naivety of our Prime minister, as
30:03
Speaker 3: an interview he did today with in Daily.
30:07
Speaker 9: In terms of long term peace, if the US's core
30:10
Speaker 9: demand is for Iran to limit its nuclear program and
30:14
Speaker 9: Iran has been clear that it won't.
30:16
Speaker 15: Do that, is lasting peace in the region possible?
30:19
Speaker 4: It is possible, and we saw in the past, we
30:22
Speaker 4: saw an agreement with the Obama administration and Iran that
30:27
Speaker 4: did see a reduction in their upgrading of uranium two
30:36
Speaker 4: levels that enable it to pursue a newgu weapons program.
30:41
Speaker 2: To connect it.
30:42
Speaker 15: If I'm now in this position.
30:44
Speaker 4: I certainly believe that it is in the globe's interest
30:49
Speaker 4: to do so, and that is what we want to see,
30:53
Speaker 4: and I think the whole world wants to see as well.
30:57
Speaker 3: I mean, who is this guy with his platy chuse
30:59
Speaker 3: He's actually arguing that the Obama Deal helped to deliver
31:03
Speaker 3: peace and stability.
31:04
Speaker 1: In the region.
31:05
Speaker 3: The Obama Deal just gave a run more time to
31:08
Speaker 3: develop nuclear weapons and missiles and shunted billions of dollars
31:12
Speaker 3: of money into it so it could do that. Surely,
31:14
Speaker 3: the Obama Deal is half the reason we are where
31:17
Speaker 3: we are at Now.
31:17
Speaker 2: I carry no brief for the Prime Minister.
31:20
Speaker 15: I oppose him on virtually all domestic policy agendas, including
31:23
Speaker 15: the Voice.
31:24
Speaker 2: But we won't go there.
31:26
Speaker 15: But on this issue, what's the alternative to the Iranian
31:29
Speaker 15: nuclear deal that Obama set? We now have a war
31:32
Speaker 15: that could spiral out of control. It could actually reignite
31:36
Speaker 15: the broader war with the Sunni Gulf States and trigger
31:39
Speaker 15: a global recession.
31:40
Speaker 1: Well, that's that's what we don't want. You have this.
31:43
Speaker 3: With every war, there are complications, And how do you
31:47
Speaker 3: ever get Iran to abandon its nuclear weapons program and
31:51
Speaker 3: stop its mad obsession with eliminating Israel with missiles and
31:54
Speaker 3: nuclear weapons unless you are prepared to actually act militarily.
31:58
Speaker 15: As if Donald Trump want to win this war, he
32:01
Speaker 15: has to follow through on his threats to start bombing
32:05
Speaker 15: their civilian infrastructure and their power plants.
32:09
Speaker 2: Now he's threatened to do.
32:10
Speaker 15: This on several occasions, but each time he pulls back
32:13
Speaker 15: because he knows that Iran still has ballistic missiles that
32:18
Speaker 15: can threaten not just the Straight of hor Moves, but
32:21
Speaker 15: also America's allies, the Sunni Gulf States.
32:24
Speaker 2: Is that a price worth paying?
32:26
Speaker 1: Chris Well, No, he doesn't want to he doesn't want
32:27
Speaker 1: to pay it off.
32:28
Speaker 2: Well, then how do you bring the regime down?
32:30
Speaker 1: Well, that's what he's doing.
32:31
Speaker 3: He's got a blockade and he's threatening them, and his
32:34
Speaker 3: unpredictability is one of his greatest strategic assets.
32:38
Speaker 2: But the Iranians aren't showing up for Islamabad.
32:40
Speaker 1: We will see.
32:41
Speaker 3: I've got a great little clip about why the Iranians
32:44
Speaker 3: are not showing up that they put out. I've run
32:46
Speaker 3: out of time for shot shot later in the program,
32:49
Speaker 3: but I think you'll enjoy it.
32:50
Speaker 1: Tom, Thanks for joining us.
32:51
Speaker 2: Always a pleasure, Chris.
32:52
Speaker 1: Tom Switzer. Fascinating stuff.
32:54
Speaker 3: We come on this from slightly different perspectives, but that's
32:56
Speaker 3: what I like.
32:57
Speaker 1: We like to have this debate. It's a difficult, difficult issue.
33:00
Speaker 3: We all hope for the same outcome in the end,
33:02
Speaker 3: whether it's through peaceful means or through war.
33:05
Speaker 1: We need that outcome.
33:06
Speaker 3: Now, on the other side of the break, we're going
33:08
Speaker 3: to talk about how we're preparing for Anzac Day ceremonies
33:10
Speaker 3: around the country. I'm going to speak with Sir Peter
33:13
Speaker 3: Cosgrove about a special.
33:14
Speaker 1: One at the Opera House.
33:20
Speaker 3: Now, as I mentioned earlier, of course, millions across the
33:23
Speaker 3: country will mark Anzac Day this Saturday at dawn services,
33:27
Speaker 3: marches and even ceremonies at footy matches and the like
33:30
Speaker 3: to remember those who served and died in battle. Tomorrow,
33:34
Speaker 3: on Anzac Day Eve, the Opera House fore Court will
33:38
Speaker 3: host the annual Sunset Tribute, where more than two hundred military,
33:42
Speaker 3: veteran and civilian artists will come together to honor the fall.
33:46
Speaker 3: And you can watch the Lest We Forget Sunset Tribute
33:49
Speaker 3: right here on Sky News tomorrow from just before five
33:52
Speaker 3: pm East and we broadcast at live last year. It
33:55
Speaker 3: was fantastic and for more on this event, I'm joined
33:59
Speaker 3: by Australian Remember It's Foundation patron, the former Chief of
34:02
Speaker 3: the Defense Force and of course former Governor General Sir
34:06
Speaker 3: Peter Cosgrowth. Sir Peter, thanks for joining us again on
34:09
Speaker 3: the program.
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Speaker 14: I'm delighted to be with you and thank you for
34:12
Speaker 14: sky On News covering tomorrow's evening sermony. It's going to
34:16
Speaker 14: be fantastic.
34:17
Speaker 3: It's terrific that we got to cover it for the
34:19
Speaker 3: first time last year and I now our viewers just
34:21
Speaker 3: loved it, and I know it worked out really well
34:23
Speaker 3: for your foundation too because of our spread around the
34:26
Speaker 3: nation and overseas, a lot more people got to see it.
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Speaker 14: My word, and you know, it's visually attractive, but it
34:33
Speaker 14: is also a heartstrings job because the dawn service is itself.
34:38
Speaker 14: I mean, you take the kiddies to dawn service, you
34:41
Speaker 14: go to the footy, your march, you do those traditional things.
34:44
Speaker 14: But there's a time to pause and contemplate the wide
34:49
Speaker 14: brown land and also to think about the people who
34:54
Speaker 14: came home, went away, didn't come home, families bereaved. Sydney
35:01
Speaker 14: Harbor is a lovely fitting place for that sort of commemoration.
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Speaker 3: That's the beautiful thing about all anzac ceremonies, as you've
35:11
Speaker 3: just mentioned it, and it will be true at this
35:14
Speaker 3: sunset tribute because there'll be so many people there and
35:18
Speaker 3: so many people watching on television, and so in many
35:21
Speaker 3: ways it's a big production and in one of the
35:23
Speaker 3: most iconic locations in the world. Yet there will be silence,
35:27
Speaker 3: there will be pausing, and in those moments, every individual
35:31
Speaker 3: is left with their thoughts of perhaps a grandfather, perhaps
35:35
Speaker 3: a son, or a loved one.
35:37
Speaker 1: Where does your mind go in the minute silence.
35:40
Speaker 14: It's all over the place. I had a family that
35:41
Speaker 14: was in the military and sons who also said, but
35:46
Speaker 14: I go back to the men in the Splendid Youth
35:50
Speaker 14: who were young childers of mine when I was myself
35:53
Speaker 14: a youngster, and I think that these are a lot of nashees.
35:58
Speaker 14: So one would say they are entitled to feel a
36:01
Speaker 14: bit off through being sent. But they became ANZACs and
36:07
Speaker 14: a proud part of their aging life is that they went,
36:11
Speaker 14: they did, and they didn't shirk.
36:14
Speaker 3: Now, I heard a veteran on Radio two GB this morning,
36:18
Speaker 3: one hundred and three years old. World War II veteran
36:23
Speaker 3: time is marching on when the World War two veterans
36:26
Speaker 3: are centenarians. Yet it's become a cliche, I know, but
36:33
Speaker 3: the public support is getting stronger. There are new traditions
36:38
Speaker 3: or new events that are embedding an old transition at
36:41
Speaker 3: old tradition.
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Speaker 1: I'm certain from what.
36:43
Speaker 3: We see around us, and as you say, the children
36:45
Speaker 3: at dawn services, you can be confident this event will
36:49
Speaker 3: still be special in this country one hundred years from now.
36:51
Speaker 14: Long live the cliche. I say, because it's our cliche.
36:55
Speaker 14: It's the Australian way to say, there are parts of
36:58
Speaker 14: our lives which we don't read sin because it's war.
37:01
Speaker 14: But we answered the call because our country called us,
37:06
Speaker 14: and even those who went less willingly in the first
37:08
Speaker 14: place became lifelong friends one with the other comrades in arms.
37:14
Speaker 14: And yes, I'm talking about the dear old NASA's old
37:17
Speaker 14: match with them on Anzac Day itself my mob. And
37:22
Speaker 14: there's not a struck match between those regular soldiers who
37:25
Speaker 14: joined up for to be their career and those who
37:29
Speaker 14: took a couple of years out of their precious showing lives.
37:31
Speaker 14: So I mean we've got now got the new generation
37:35
Speaker 14: that went off to the longest war Afghanistan, they went
37:40
Speaker 14: to Iraq. They are in each team or and there's
37:42
Speaker 14: just this toiling bill of commitments we have as a nation. Now.
37:48
Speaker 14: Nobody liked war, and we like it even less when
37:51
Speaker 14: we've been there. But we could say that there are
37:55
Speaker 14: some things which we say Australia will be there.
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Speaker 3: That I want to finish on a couple of contemporary issues.
38:02
Speaker 3: One is the North Bondai RSL Dawn Service, which is
38:07
Speaker 3: a brilliant dawn service. I've been there a few times myself,
38:12
Speaker 3: right on the waterfront there at Bondai. I've checked with
38:15
Speaker 3: them tonight. They will be making sure that at that
38:18
Speaker 3: dawn service, they also honor the fifteen victims of the
38:21
Speaker 3: Bondai massacre.
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Speaker 1: Are you please to know about that? Do you think
38:25
Speaker 1: that's appropriate?
38:25
Speaker 14: Absolutely? The massacre occurred in a place of great beauty
38:31
Speaker 14: and attraction. Everybody loves Bondai, and yet on this day
38:36
Speaker 14: terrible crime was perpetrated. And I think it's entirely appropriate
38:40
Speaker 14: that return men and women gathering for Anzac Day should
38:45
Speaker 14: take a moment to think about those innocents who were massacred.
38:49
Speaker 3: And in this case, I should mention that people associated
38:53
Speaker 3: with the North Bondai RSL were involved in caring for
38:56
Speaker 3: victims and helping out on that day. And the other
38:58
Speaker 3: matter I have to ask you about, as you would
39:01
Speaker 3: probably expect, is the war crimes charges against Ben Roberts Smith.
39:06
Speaker 3: What is your perspective on that legal procedure and on
39:11
Speaker 3: what it does to the morale of our current troops.
39:15
Speaker 14: I think it's a leadership challenge for the people we've
39:18
Speaker 14: got now, and I don't just mean a bunch of
39:20
Speaker 14: officers who are hoping to keep people focused on their
39:26
Speaker 14: urgent task of preparing to defend the nation. I think
39:30
Speaker 14: it's for everybody. I think for us, all to understand
39:34
Speaker 14: that we put people in a terrible position, and on
39:40
Speaker 14: the vast majority of occasions that seems to have gone
39:44
Speaker 14: within the law. Now there's a matter that's been referred
39:47
Speaker 14: to the courts and that's taken a long time. I
39:51
Speaker 14: wish ituld have taken much less time. But you know,
39:53
Speaker 14: I'm not a lawyer. I don't know. But let me
39:55
Speaker 14: just say that it's sad, but it's before the court
40:00
Speaker 14: and let the justice show that the Defense Force is accountable.
40:07
Speaker 3: Can we ever know what happened on a battlefield in
40:09
Speaker 3: Afghanistan back in a war decade more than a decade ago,
40:15
Speaker 3: and it particularly when that country is now run by
40:17
Speaker 3: the Taliban.
40:19
Speaker 14: I think what we'd have to say there is best
40:23
Speaker 14: endeavors must be used. We want people to know that
40:27
Speaker 14: Australia and its people are not blithe about this sort
40:31
Speaker 14: of thing, that if a serious allegation has made, a
40:34
Speaker 14: serious allegation must be investigated and are we're surprised by
40:39
Speaker 14: how are it's taking, but not by the fact that
40:43
Speaker 14: somebody is looking into serious charges.
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Speaker 3: So, Peter Cosgrow, thanks for joining us and look forward
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Speaker 3: to seeing you at the Sunset Tribute tomorrow night. I'll
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Speaker 3: just mention that too, just to remind you that the
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Speaker 3: Less We Forget Sunset tribute will be seen here right
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Speaker 3: tomorrow night on Sky News Live from four point fifty
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Speaker 3: five pm Australian Eastern Standard time. It'll be fantastic viewing.
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Speaker 3: Don't miss it. Now coming up after the break, our
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Speaker 3: own National Cabinet with Tim and Mark. As you know,
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Speaker 3: they always make more sense than our political leaders. Don't
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Speaker 3: go away, Okay, let's convene the National Cabinet now with
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Speaker 3: Tim Blair from the Daily Telegraph and Mark Nicholson from
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Speaker 3: step Mate Studios. I'm like Albo, mate, we have a
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Speaker 3: national cabinet every week. I got to show you this
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Speaker 3: picture that we snapped down at the airport about Albo
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Speaker 3: going out to help the country taking the jed overseas
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Speaker 3: with a Jerry Can.
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Speaker 1: Now, of course I have to point out that's.
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Speaker 3: A fake image, but it's pretty much what he's been
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Speaker 3: up to.
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Speaker 16: Tim absolutely, by the way, where is our fuels are?
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Speaker 16: I can't even remember her name, Antheathe or other? Remember
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Speaker 16: last last month, big enough we would have a fuelser. Yeah,
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Speaker 16: and that was the last we heard of the fuels are.
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Speaker 16: I'm not even sure she's on the plane, but dear,
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Speaker 16: got a bunch of kerosene here in case the thing
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Speaker 16: conks down in mid air and keep flying.
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Speaker 3: I was wondering what happened to the fuels are too,
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Speaker 3: I mean, big fan for she's gonna she's going to
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Speaker 3: solve the country fuel problems. She hasn't been seen since.
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Speaker 3: Maybe she's like our indigenous ambassador. She's overseas, just talking
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Speaker 3: it up around.
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Speaker 16: That she might be stranded to the DV stop just
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Speaker 16: waiting waiting for a charge. You know, come on, you know,
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Speaker 16: trying to plug it now.
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Speaker 3: Mark, you're pretty You got to give ourvo some credit,
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Speaker 3: don't you, for shopping around and picking up a couple
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Speaker 3: of shiploads of fuel that will.
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Speaker 1: Arrive here apparently late May early June.
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Speaker 17: Mate, I'm surprised he didn't hold a national address. Make
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Speaker 17: us all sit down and stop and watch him talk
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Speaker 17: about how he's got a couple of days of fuel
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Speaker 17: for us. But honestly, the AI, that's that's exactly what
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Speaker 17: AI was invented for. That is exactly what That is
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Speaker 17: the best use case of AI I've ever seen. That
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Speaker 17: is not even that far from the reality of what
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Speaker 17: we saw. It's weak, it's outrageous.
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Speaker 3: It's more real than the real stuff. I've got an
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Speaker 3: even better example of AI for you later. But I'll
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Speaker 3: just stay on this topic for a while and remind
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Speaker 3: people of these ads that we're paying for you and I.
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Speaker 3: We're paying with our tax dollars to be told this stuff.
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Speaker 9: The global fuel shortage is affecting everyone and we all
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Speaker 9: have a part to play.
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Speaker 8: Your simple actions like pumping up your tires can make
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Speaker 8: our fuel supply go further.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, not only do they treat us as idiots with
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Speaker 3: our own money, but then they praise us with the
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Speaker 3: condescension normally reserved for toddlers.
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Speaker 1: Have a look.
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Speaker 4: But importantly as well Australians who are doing their bit
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Speaker 4: to as the advertising campaign says that every little bit
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Speaker 4: helps and people are changing their behavior on a voluntary basis.
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Speaker 3: There you go, Tim, the Prime Minister says, every little
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Speaker 3: bit you've done is helping. Well done, mate for taking
43:57
Speaker 3: the roof racks off your car.
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Speaker 16: I love how the actually shows a dog in the
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Speaker 16: tray of the UPE. Now not only is it adding
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Speaker 16: necessary weight, but the dog's head is presenting an aerodynamic deficiency,
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Speaker 16: thereby increasing drag and fuel use.
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Speaker 1: Think it through.
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Speaker 16: Albow, get where you're dog.
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Speaker 1: You've gotta have greyhounds. You're gonna have streamlined.
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Speaker 16: Run them alongside the vehicle, or even better, have them
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Speaker 16: over the vehicle. All the problems are.
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Speaker 3: Solved, and then they to advertise the ships that were
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Speaker 3: pumping fuel.
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Speaker 1: Assure. Mind you, these.
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Speaker 3: Were ships that were just going to turn up anyway.
44:36
Speaker 3: These are not ships that Albow was rustled up. They
44:39
Speaker 3: put out this social media post and Mark I couldn't
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Speaker 3: help it. It reminded me of something I reckon. They're
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Speaker 3: trying to look like these guys. Yeah, who do you reckon?
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Speaker 1: Is mister pink Mark is at Elbow or Chris Bowen?
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Speaker 11: Yeah?
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Speaker 17: Right, The likeness is uncanny. It's exactly what they were
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Speaker 17: trying to go for. They're trying to look like reservoir drugs.
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Speaker 17: They ended up looking like reservoir flogs.
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Speaker 1: Is exactly what they look like to be.
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Speaker 16: I'm reminded of the line from the movie the Michael
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Speaker 16: Manson character, you know, torture. Yeah, that's a good idea.
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Speaker 1: Torture. I like that.
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Speaker 16: Yeah, good film, by.
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Speaker 3: The way, Yeah, a great film. I'm remembered. I'm reminded
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Speaker 3: of the song too. You know, jokers to the left,
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Speaker 3: idiots to the right, whatever, I'm slack in the middle
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Speaker 3: with you, and I'm afraid we are absolutely Now let's
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Speaker 3: get back to AI. And this is a brilliant use
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Speaker 3: of AI by the Iranian embassy in I think it
45:50
Speaker 3: was in Islamabad actually, so this is actually just to
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Speaker 3: put this straight, this is from Iran. But they're taking
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Speaker 3: the mickey out of what's going on at the moment.
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Speaker 1: And the US President have a look, we are having
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Speaker 1: very great negotiations with Iran. If Iran doesn't come to negotiate,
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Speaker 1: we're going to bomb.
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Speaker 9: Them two thousand years later.
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Speaker 1: So where are the Iranians? This is from Iran?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, that was put together by the Iranians in the
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Speaker 3: hyderabout It's not far off the truth though, Mark.
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Speaker 1: It's not made.
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Speaker 17: But that's the all good satire is like that. But geez,
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Speaker 17: they're playing with fire. I like to think, you know,
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Speaker 17: like satire can be dangerous, but that is so dangerous.
46:43
Speaker 17: They are poking the bear that the lego stuff that's
46:46
Speaker 17: coming out of Iran as well, like they're winning the
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Speaker 17: propaganda war. They are absolutely killing it. And AI. It's
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Speaker 17: they're going to extraordinary places. But wow, it's dangerous. It's terrifying.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think you did right.
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Speaker 3: It's the same thing I thought when I sort of
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Speaker 3: that this, if this is done by someone else, a
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Speaker 3: third party, good for a laugh. But the fact this
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Speaker 3: was actually produced by an agency of the Iranian government
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Speaker 3: is really going to anger Trump and the whole world.
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Speaker 3: Tim At the moment, all those who are screaming at
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Speaker 3: Trump for even engaging in this war now seem to
47:18
Speaker 3: be screaming at him for not finishing it off. I mean,
47:21
Speaker 3: all the piece nexts seem to want him to bomb
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Speaker 3: bridges and power plants, So I don't get it.
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Speaker 1: At the moment.
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Speaker 3: It seems to me like he's trying to strangle the
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Speaker 3: regime with his blockade and hoping he can deliver an
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Speaker 3: outcome here without any more military action.
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Speaker 1: And I would have thought that's what all of us
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Speaker 1: would want.
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Speaker 16: Yes, but it's Trump doing it. And Trump can never
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Speaker 16: be right, so you know, he always must be condemned
47:44
Speaker 16: by the way. It's just it's really hard to laugh
47:46
Speaker 16: at AI, even very funny or well crafted AI, when
47:49
Speaker 16: you know it's being produced by a regime that's killing
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Speaker 16: tens of thousands of people. For the crimes to say,
47:56
Speaker 16: not wearing a head dress or something. It's you can't laugh.
47:59
Speaker 1: At exactly, yes, spot on.
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Speaker 3: Just to finish on a light note, I couldn't beat
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Speaker 3: my fourteen year old son at table tennis during the
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Speaker 3: school holidays, but I might have found a way.
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Speaker 1: Have a look at this. Table tennis is dead forever, Mark.
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Speaker 1: Now they're going.
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Speaker 3: To What more would you want robots for but to
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Speaker 3: beat you at table tennis.
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Speaker 17: This is what we're all sold AI and robotics that
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Speaker 17: it was going to I was gonna be able to,
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Speaker 17: you know, cure cancer, do surgeries.
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Speaker 2: It was going to help us around the house.
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Speaker 17: No, it's for AI generated videos, funny videos, and to
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Speaker 17: play Japanese women.
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Speaker 1: In ping pong.
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Speaker 17: I'm coming up for it to be honesty.
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Speaker 3: They just need an AI robot to play center half
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Speaker 3: forward for Carlton.
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Speaker 1: Then everything will be fixed.
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Speaker 3: Thanks so much for joining me, Tim and Mark. We'll
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Speaker 3: catch you next week. Better hand over now to Peter Kredlin.