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#37 - Turning Gardening Dreams into Reality | Bethany & Rio [KI Landscapes] · The Shed Organics Show

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Hey everybody, welcome back to another episode of the Shed
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Organics Show. Today's episode we're joined by
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the wonderful Bethany and Rio from Key Landscapes.
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Now, I had the absolute pleasure of being able to meet these guys
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at the Queensland Garden Show, and as I alluded to in the
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conversation, we were right next to each other as stall holders
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for the entire weekend. Remember, you can go and check
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out that vlog video, see a little bit of the stores that we
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had set up there and the guys are featured there.
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That vlog is on the YouTube channel, so you can go and check
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that out in your own time. But today we're going to be
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chatting to the guys about their journey from moving to the
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Sunshine Coast, finding themselves their dream bit of
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land and starting to build and curate for themselves the
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lifestyle and the life that they wanted to have.
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And this is a big reason why I wanted to highlight what these
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guys are doing and the way that they've built their life.
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Because the conversations that we had at the Queensland Garden
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Show really stuck with me and they really motivated me to
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start thinking about a few things differently and really
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thinking about the life that I want to be having and how I can
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end up in that position in the future.
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So we can dive into a whole bunch of those topics and the
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few things in between to do with food forests, building amazing
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food gardens, importance of why we should be growing our own
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food and considerations when thinking about planning your own
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space and your own project. So if that's something that
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you're interested in, I'm sure you're going to find some value
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out of it because these guys have a wealth of knowledge from
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so many different backgrounds. And I'm keen for you to hear
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this conversation. So here they are, the wonderful
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Brio and Bethany from Key Landscapes,
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what I really liked about your journey initially and the way
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that you spoke about it. And that's something that's
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stuck with me since then is you were talking about this plan
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that you had for, I think you said 10 years and you got it
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done in five. And this plan really inspired me
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because I feel like I'm just a few steps behind following that
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in that similar pathway. So can you talk to me a little
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bit about that thought of, OK, we've got this goal at the end
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to have, you know, spill a little bit of it, have some land
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and find ourselves in a community that we would like to
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be in. Tell me about the journey
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towards that and the thinking behind it.
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Good question. When we first, I guess bought
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our, we when we first moved to the Sunshine Coast, we knew that
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we wanted to buy a property. We didn't quite know what, we
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didn't really know the area. And we stayed in Budrum renting
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for a year just to kind of get a feel for the local geography, I
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guess. And we ended up buying a place
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and we knew that whilst it was a really nice place, it wasn't our
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long term. And so it, it pushed us to think
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about what we actually did want to create for ourselves.
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And at that time, I'd just started a new career as a, as a
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financial advisor. And so a big part of that was
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thinking about long term goals, especially for all of my
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clients. And so when I start putting that
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into practice for myself, some of the big questions were what
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sort of life do we want and what, how do we set ourselves up
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financially to be able to achieve that life that we want?
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And you know, I grew up on, on an acreage when I was as a young
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kid and with my mum and I knew that I probably wanted to return
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to that at some point because I really going coming from that
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and then moving and living in Brisbane for almost 7-8 years.
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And it's very crammed down there, particularly in Brisbane
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where I was, you know, you can like, hear your neighbors going
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to the toilet and stuff. So I knew that I eventually
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wanted to be back on land and have space but also be able to
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have something of my own. And I think Bethany grew up in
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Brisbane as well. I'm a city girl who wished she
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was always a country girl. I love.
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That well, you. You I love the Country Life but
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grew up in the suburbs and so I think trees fruit, seeing trees
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growing on fruit growing on trees is like still magical to
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me. And so when we wrote up a big
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list of criteria of things that we wanted for our long term
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house and then we wanted to raise a family and we just,
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yeah, we we wanted space and we wanted to be able to do things
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cost effectively and as self sustainably as possible and
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place that we could call home. And it was peaceful.
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And, you know, there's wildlife and you know, all of these
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things, I guess. I totally agree and like having
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that long term. Well, asking yourself the
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question about long term goals is not something that too many
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people often do or they also they think about something they
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might go one day I will, you know, one day I'll want to do
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this or one day I want to do that.
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But then they don't actually reverse engineer that process to
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find out, you know, OK, how do we get there?
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What's the steps to get there? And I think some of the things
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that you offered advice on when I was talking to you about this
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was having a little bit of local knowledge, like you said.
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So coming coming into the area, but also getting to know people
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that are around the place, getting to involve yourself with
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the community so that then you get a little bit of maybe
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insider information or you just get a bit of a feel for what the
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community's like and what life is like in in that place.
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Is that some of the the steps that you would continue to offer
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advice on? The first thing would be to do
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is to write things down, write down your goals and know exactly
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the direction in which you're heading and what you want to
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create. Definitely all of those things
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that you mentioned. Networking is incredibly
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important and building strong relationships.
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When we moved up here, we didn't have many acquaintances at all,
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friends even. And so going out, particularly
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in, in we did a lot of business networking and we, yeah, just I
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guess engaged with communities. I joined a football club and,
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yeah, built a lot of really good relationships with people.
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And that was one of the best things that you can do when you
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don't know anybody in an area. But also asking questions, you
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know, asking good questions of like, what are the good areas?
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What are the areas you should stay away from?
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Who, what, when, where and why? What's the story of this place
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you know? Yeah, totally.
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And you get a feel for that, don't you?
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From the, from the community. Definitely.
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When we decided we wanted to buy acreage, we started driving
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around the rural areas of the coast on weekends and just
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scoping it and going this is really beautiful.
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This is different like than just exploring and getting a feel for
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what we liked, what type of land we connected with.
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Having, I guess for me, having a bit of a background in like
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geotechnical civil engineering work, I could understand what
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the different landscapes actually offered in terms of
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what can grow there, how what the soil is like and what the
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wind is like, you know, in a certain area.
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Yeah, yeah. You need to be considerate of
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these things. Is that something that was like
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really present in your mind making these decisions?
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And how like did you see the area that you're in now and have
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it tick those boxes for you? Yeah, well, we had a like a, a
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mobile home as well. And we'd already bought that
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before we brought, bought our our block.
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And we had a big list of things that we wanted to.
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Yeah, a big list of things that again, writing things down of
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what we wanted. And we looked for a long time,
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probably I think it was more than 12 months for a block of
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land that was just vacant that we could just maybe connect the
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services up to within our price range that we're looking for.
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And, and then when we found our block, we can only find things
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that were like quite remote or on way West of the the Bruce
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Hwy. And when we found our block, it
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had an existing house on it and and it was around.
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It was a little bit out of our price range, but we made it work
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and. It was in our dream suburb,
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which we'd have already ruled out because you never know what
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will come up if you keep looking.
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Yeah. And and this came up and we knew
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pretty, I think we're in. We were in Bali and I was
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scouringrealestate.com and I was like, I have a feeling it's
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going to come up soon. And then I found it and I was
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like, this is it. I knew it as soon as I found it.
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And then we rushed back when we got home and came and had a look
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in person and we just knew and then.
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It was. And there was multiple buyers as
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well. But we really, I guess,
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convinced the agent to strongly recommend us because we were at
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that point, we were at double incomes and no kids and we had a
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deposit and they were. They were motivated to.
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Sell. They were motivated to sell.
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So we look, we really want it. Here's our offer and here's all
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of the the backing information that should hopefully encourage
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them to choose us. Yeah, You know, no stuffing
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around with the contract. It was we just jumped on it and
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and they chose us, which is good.
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And I think, I think we're even less than what the other people.
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We were the lower offer too, so it's not really about the money.
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It's about the other benefits, like a quick sale, yeah.
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Yeah, I love that. Well done to you guys.
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And I think something that like you briefly touched on there,
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but I think you're skipping over the importance of it is that you
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are so patient. This is something that you
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really don't see from a lot of people, myself included.
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I'm, I'm guilty of this, no doubt of just being like, I want
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it now. Like I really want that dream
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life now. But you so patiently waited and,
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you know, to double click on the story about the the house.
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You had it sitting somewhere for a little while and weren't even
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using it. And you kind of brought all
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these pieces together patiently to then finally merge them.
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Yeah, yeah. So we had bought a Model A home,
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but we didn't have anywhere to put it.
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So we coordinated with the seller to leave it on their
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property for a while. And when they were, it was kind
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of like an, it was an. Unknown time frame.
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Unknown time frame because we hadn't even bought a house, but
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we knew that that's the direction that we were heading
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in and so we. And we'd already sold our other
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houses and we were living with friends with all our furniture
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stored under their house. Like we were in between houses
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with this mobile home and nowhere to put it.
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So it kind of just worked out. And yeah, this block has the
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existing house on it, and it also had a a cutaway area that
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was already prepared. So there's no major earthworks
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or anything that we needed to do it just, yeah, it just worked
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out. Yeah, I'm stoked for you both.
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And I think it's really, really cool.
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And you've now subsequently raised a family on this block
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and you have two beautiful little kids and you've
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transformed your area, your landscape to a now food forest.
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Is that right? And tell me a little bit about
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the the journey of coming to the land and then what your first
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decisions were like, what the first things that you have to do
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and all of that and priorities from coming to the land because
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I love these kind of stories. So yeah, we, we moved onto our
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block end of 2019, our pre kids and we were both working
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essentially full time and we just started living on the land,
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observing the seasons, just starting to dream of what we
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wanted to do with it. Because you've got to be on your
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land before you know what you can do with it.
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And we had all these ideas and we really just couldn't nail
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them all down into a cohesive plan yet.
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So we just sat on it for 12 months to There you go.
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Look at. That patient.
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Growing and we put a couple of trees in and they died because
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they were just in a grassy hill. And we learnt a lot and went
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actually we need to plan this a little bit better and be more
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intentional. And then our first baby boy came
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along and I spent a lot of time at home, way more than I ever
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had. And that was when I started
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growing food properly and I just set up a little no dig garden in
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the front yard and would go down with him and, and just got to
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start putting things into practice.
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And I think our, our knowledge grew.
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And now as we learnt more and studied permaculture over that
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time, our plans grew more, I guess, strategic around how to
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best manage our land. Yeah, a little bit of back
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story. We're on a very steep block,
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which makes it challenging. We're on a West facing block as
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well, but we also have some hidden benefits of tree lines
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and bushland surrounding our blocks.
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So we've got natural wind breaks, we've got biodiversity
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in the bushland, and we've got excellent amounts of sun and
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water flow down our block. Yeah.
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So we had to figure out how to make it easy to manage with the
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slope. Is that, was that always the
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place that you were gonna cultivate that slope?
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Do you have? Is that the the main section
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that you can work with? There's there's an incredibly
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steep element that we haven't done anything with that is still
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just grass and we use a four wheel drive right on to to get
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that sorted. But there's there's some batters
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or like previous earthworks that had been done that were quite
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difficult to manage and would basically consume like your
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weekends. With the sniffing.
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So much with the sniffing. And the original, well, the
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previous owners had just mulched the entire area.
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And so it wasn't set up for success in any way.
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It was apart from it, you know, preventing weeds for six months.
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And then it just turned into a. They just started.
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Overgrown mess and we went through and cleared everything
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out and planted a whole heap of natives to get a canopy up and
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that shaded out a lot of the area that was causing a lot of
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the issues and we basically reduced our our workload on
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block by at least half just by doing that one little project.
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Wow, that's really cool because that's something that you're
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thinking about how much time you're actually spending doing
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it. And it's very practical.
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It's taking away from other things.
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And if you're not being productive in that space or it's
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not a productive space that's working for you, what you know,
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what's the point? So making that pivot is a is a
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smart move. Yeah, and like everything is you
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or like what I mentioned before, you have goals about what you
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want the the space or your space to do for you.
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And you prioritize accordingly based on what, how much time it
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takes you, because time is your most important asset, but also
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the labour breaking your back, doing hard, you know hard stuff
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all the time. So if you can, we identified
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pretty quickly what the areas were that were really pain
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points on the on the property and what problems we needed to
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solve 1st. And that was really important
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step on freeing us up to be able to invest in bigger and better
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projects. And eventually, yeah, the food
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forest, which that's that's gonna provide dividends to us
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in, you know, in even a couple of years now there already is
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with the the, you know, the, the plants or the veggies that we're
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growing in between all the fruit trees.
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So, yeah, I definitely having the the list of projects that we
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wanted to do was important part of that prioritization process.
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And I guess just, but also understanding the block and
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where does the water flow, you know, and what can we use, what
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resources do we have here that we can use and leverage?
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And if we tweak this, what outcome will that provide?
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And testing things. And did we?
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We knew not much, not a whole lot when we first moved here.
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But we've grown and learnt so much and researched and spent
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countless, countless hours just like building our knowledge base
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and talking about things constantly.
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Ideas sharing, Yeah, scouring the Internet.
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And now, thanks to wonders of AI, we can ask even more
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complicated questions and, you know, test those ideas as well.
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So. Yeah, I totally agree.
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You have done a really impressive job because in and I
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encourage people to go and check out the photos and stories that
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you've shared from this transformation.
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But even in a year, the amount of growth that you've managed to
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achieve in that space is pretty impressive.
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And for the challenges of it being on a slope and you know,
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we're facing all of these types of things where you're basically
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battling against a couple of things, then it's it's clearly
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paid off the thoughts and, and decisions that you've made.
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Now, when was the decision to create key landscapes and tell
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give me a little rundown as to what that involves for you guys
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at the moment. Do you want to talk about that
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or? I think we, this was after our
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number two child was born, our little girl, we were, I was on
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maternity leave and Rhiannon had just sold his financial planning
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business and he was ready for a new challenge.
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And I was, I still loved what I did, but I wasn't seeing it
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working in our lifestyle that we wanted to create.
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And so because I was in healthcare and that's a lot of
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time and energy. So I think we just wanted to
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create a new business that was more in alignment with our
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passions and at the time that's growing food and with our with
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our new permaculture knowledge and things that we tried, I
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realized that it's really not that hard to grow things if you
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start well. And so that was the premise of
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starting our business was just helping people get started so
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that they succeed rather than starting the wrong way, putting
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in the wrong soil and low quality plants and then failing
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and thinking it's your fault when it's actually probably your
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resources or position of your garden.
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And, and when we first started it, we had had kind of really
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wanted to just help people do raised garden beds and our
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business name was, was my veggie patch and.
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MVP. Yeah, MVP and we launched it at
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the Queensland Garden Show 2. Years ago.
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And and we got quite busy off the back of that which was good.
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But what we're finding is that a lot of our clients would want
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additional landscaping infrastructure for their for
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their houses and we didn't really know heap about that
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broader landscaping at that point.
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And we've, we've kind of, again, since going on the research and
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information journey and obviously doing things on our
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property, we kind of gained a lot of experience and, and we
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started broadening our, our offering to our clients and that
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that started taking off. And so we got a lot busier doing
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that. And we're doing native gardens
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as well now and flower gardens, you know, edging and garden
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definement or defining garden edges and a lot of mulching or
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pulling out terrible plastics or, or weed mats or things like
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this. And then and then redoing it in
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a more sustainable way and teaching people as well, because
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a lot of people just don't know what impact the decisions have,
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like the chemicals that people use as well.
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Just it, there's some serious long term consequences for those
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strategies. But with a bit of education and,
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and knowledge, they can learn how to manage their yard and
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their, their land more sustainably, not just for the
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soil itself, but also the, the general wildlife.
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And if they're producing food, nice clean food for their
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families to eat, you know, versus the.
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Garbage. Garbage.
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Yeah, the the stuff that, yeah, the stuff that you wouldn't
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drink coming out of the bottle, but it's OK to spray on your
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food or whatever. It doesn't make sense to me.
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Yeah, I'm right up there with you guys.
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That's cool. And I, you know, I know probably
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more than the, the listener that might be new to you guys story,
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but seeing the, the things that you guys can do.
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And even since I think a couple of projects you've worked on,
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you were like redirecting water flow and stuff down this sloped
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garden and we're using all these rocks to kind of create drainage
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and stuff. It's turned into this full
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rethought, as you were saying Rio about the whole land and the
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property and what they're working with and making it set
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up for success. I've seen so many, well, old and
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new builds of houses that there's zero thought going into
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how these gardens or even the landscape in general is set up.
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They're, you know, just bringing in all sorts of just, you know,
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garbage soil. And they're not thinking about
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the drainage too much. They're not thinking about the
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runoff. They're using these chemicals.
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They're just throwing down plastic weed matting and things.
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Are you seeing a lot of this in terms of the challenges of
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pre-existing buildings and and the way stuff has been set up
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prior? Yeah, yeah, definitely.
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I find it hard to to work on sites that everything is dead
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on, you know, all the plants are dead.
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And I find that really challenging because I don't
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really want to expose myself to it, you know.
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Yeah, true. Let alone, you know, asking our
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team to do this the same. But it's like, how do you, how
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do you navigate that? We're lucky most of our clients
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share our values and don't spray or do that, but you can't avoid
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it. It's everywhere.
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Or they stop after they've worked with us.
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Yeah. Well, it takes a little bit of
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that education, as you say, just to open people's eyes.
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They that, you know, there's some, well, there's a lot of
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things in in life that I'm probably oblivious to that I'm
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doing that I shouldn't be doing just because I don't know.
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And even talking in financial terms, you know, like I'm not
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always had this, I think I told you Ria this, I've not always
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lacked money as a thing. I've just been like, you know,
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you know, whatever, we'll sort it out later or just think about
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it later type of thing. And I'm probably making huge
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mistakes. But there's other people in this
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gardening space or trying to do the right thing maybe and
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transform some land from previously desolate or chemical
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field, whatever it is, and then trying to grow nice healthy
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food. And this is where you know, your
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knowledge can come in and, and help people out.
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A few of the places that you've developed and worked on are
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looking like really quite stunning.
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Can you tell me a bit about the things that you use?
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Because you've got these amazing raised beds, you have arches,
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and you're installing various different things that look
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pretty spectacular. Tell me a bit about the stuff
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that you offer for the landscapes in terms of gardens,
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veggie gardens, boxes, things like this.
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We do. We do a variety of different
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styles, like probably the most popular style of garden is like
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a kitchen garden now, which is a series of raised beds that you
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grow veggies in or herbs or flowers, and it's very
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practical. It's really easy to fit into any
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space. We've designed our own arches to
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fit over raised beds because it just looks so stunning.
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And who doesn't want to look down at your garden through an
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arch or walk through it exactly? And the climbing?
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Plants and the climbing plants love it so.
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The birds also love it too and they're they're really good for
26:08
managing your pests. Yeah, true, but.
26:11
Yeah, we do. We find if we're putting in
26:14
raised beds in someone's property and they want to grow
26:16
food, we find we're often doing a pollinator type or perennial
26:21
garden nearby and we do that a lot.
26:24
So your larger plants can fit outside and around the garden
26:28
and you're saving space for your most important veggies that need
26:31
to go in your raised beds. So and then fruit trees are
26:35
probably the the icing on the cake.
26:37
If you've got the space, then you should be growing fruit
26:39
trees. You totally agree it.
26:41
Depends on we can. We've been doing like orchard
26:45
styles or like just a couple of trees in someone's retaining
26:49
wall. We did this project on a
26:52
retaining wall behind a block that there was no access and
26:57
there was existing plants growing in it.
26:59
So we, like that had overgrown the space and needed to come
27:02
down that were risking their house.
27:05
They were hanging over the house.
27:07
So we had no issues removing those that weren't suitable
27:11
plants for the space. And this person has now a
27:14
beautiful fruit tree garden growing behind their house in
27:17
their retaining wall. It was a big block wall.
27:21
Obviously if you're doing projects like that, you'd need
27:23
to be quite mindful that the roots aren't going to be causing
27:26
damage as well. So it's important to allow for
27:29
space. And it was, it was a very robust
27:34
wall. So let's put it up.
27:37
So no. Problems planning would have
27:38
been fine with that. Trees in.
27:40
There it was a classic example of you can grow food anywhere if
27:43
you want to. Yeah, that's a really good point
27:46
that. So just going on that point that
27:48
you mentioned Metheny, about the the setting up a pollinator
27:52
friendly space around this. What are some other things that
27:55
you find that are just kind of like these?
27:59
I was going to say key things for the landscape.
28:01
So that fits really well. Yeah.
28:03
What are some key things that you bring in that you think that
28:07
are just sort of essentials to think about in this regard?
28:11
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All right, back to the show. In terms of plants, so.
28:32
All of it, yes, everything that you do.
28:34
So like soil was definitely one. I think edible and medicinal
28:42
plants are always a high priority for us because they're
28:46
of use to you in more than one way.
28:49
Plants that cover your soil or are easy to manage.
28:53
So perennial plants are plants that keep growing for more than
28:56
one season, and they're great if you just need to cover space
29:00
because a lot of them flower, they get to a decent shrum size,
29:03
and they just are hard workers in your garden and you can
29:06
propagate them and spread them really easily.
29:09
And chop them and drop them as well.
29:11
And they yeah, prune them. Add nutrients back into the
29:13
soil. As well.
29:15
Yeah. So a classic example of that
29:17
would be like your your Thai basil or those sorts of ones or
29:21
comfrey or something that spreads on the ground or comes
29:25
up into a shrub that just is grows anywhere.
29:29
Yeah. So yeah, having having a mixture
29:31
of those sorts of plants in your space that don't require a lot
29:35
of input but give you so much back, like bring in all the good
29:38
insects and feed the bees and all of the stuff that you want
29:43
in your garden provide. Habitat, yeah, sorry, but also
29:49
may even act as a sacrificial plant for pests that really like
29:53
that type of plant. Yeah.
29:55
That that would warm them off, you know, or weigh them off, I
29:58
guess all the other plants that you do want.
30:02
That's it. And that's often something that
30:04
you have to have a conversation about plants that you do want
30:07
versus plants that are not suitable like we spoke about
30:11
before and not suitable for the space.
30:13
So is there a lot of conversation and consultation
30:17
going on in and around the setting up of this with the
30:20
client? Are we talking about their goals
30:22
and their amount of time that they're spending each week in
30:25
the garden and how realistic that looks 612 to 24 months in
30:29
the future do. You want to talk about that?
30:32
Definitely, Yeah, sure I do. Most of the client like
30:36
communications, so particularly in that, that initial
30:41
coordination and thinking about what's going on with their block
30:45
and the practical element of any, any designs that we're
30:49
doing. And so yeah, 100% their what are
30:52
their goals And I've been asking that question for a very long
30:56
time. And what do you actually see for
31:00
this long term, for the long term element of this space?
31:03
And we usually work with homeowners and they usually have
31:05
a bit of a dream about what they they want or they're very
31:09
inspired to grow their own food. They just don't know how.
31:12
So sitting down or doing a garden walk through with them
31:17
and listening to what is important to them, what their
31:20
motivations are, time frames, how much time they are spending
31:24
in managing certain areas or it really depends on what they want
31:28
to engage us for in the 1st place.
31:29
We can do very broad plans for entire properties or we can do
31:35
specifically just to putting in a couple of raised beds if
31:37
that's what they want. But where do they put those
31:40
raised beds and why? You know, close to the kitchen
31:44
ideally because they want to just be encouraged or not have
31:47
any barriers to go out there and grab a few things for their
31:51
dinner plate. And just so not too far out in
31:54
the kitchen. Obviously you need good
31:55
sunlight, but then what else is going on around there?
31:59
Is it sloppy? Is it, is there easy access to
32:02
water, to water these vegetables?
32:05
So you're thinking about all these different elements that
32:09
really build the whole picture for them and it makes it a no
32:13
brainer. And through that process, you
32:15
can show them they learn, for one, but you were also showing
32:19
them like just how much you know about everything, like
32:22
everything to do with what we're doing.
32:24
So it builds a lot of trust and confidence from their
32:27
perspective and it all makes them feel more comfortable in
32:31
actually doing something. The other thing that a lot of
32:34
people don't think necessarily think about is how much they
32:36
want to spend. So it's important to have that
32:43
that conversation as well. And because you can say, OK,
32:46
well, if they don't, if they don't give me a budget, then
32:49
I'll be like, OK, well, this is what I would do and it wasn't an
32:52
issue. And then that's like the
32:54
ultimate dream. But then it might be, OK, well,
32:56
what can I do if I don't want to spend that much?
32:58
And then you can kind of reverse engineer, you know, and you say
33:02
you don't have to use this, this type of material, or you could
33:04
use different types of beds or, you know, you could mulch this
33:08
area or you could, there's, there's so many different ways
33:11
to give them something that they actually that meets all of their
33:16
objectives, I guess. And looking at the household
33:18
size, who's living there and their needs, like whether it's
33:22
an older person who needs accessible beds as they might
33:26
lose some mobility, or whether it's a family with kids who are
33:29
growing up who might be starting to need more and more food.
33:32
And then having a plan for them to maybe expand their garden
33:36
down the track. And then how many mounds?
33:40
Yeah, that all comes into it. That's.
33:43
So true, yeah, you're taking people's kind of initial dreams
33:47
and I suppose like you see all of these amazing curated gardens
33:51
and things like the ones that you provide on on Instagram and
33:56
various other places and people go, oh, I want this and I want
33:58
this. And they show you all these
34:00
pictures and you go, well, that kind of, we need to think about
34:03
this. And.
34:04
And you're kind of just, yeah, working with the people to bring
34:08
a realistic version of their dreams to the property.
34:13
And one thing that you spoke about before was the fact that
34:15
you were on the land for a year or two before you really had
34:20
your plans come together. And you're seeing it through all
34:23
the seasons. You're seeing it under intense
34:25
wind and rain and sun and all of this, and you get a picture of
34:29
like, OK, that bottom corner always gets flooded out and
34:33
let's not go and put something there that like cactuses.
34:39
We're we're lucky because we've got such a slope.
34:41
We're on the side of a mountain block.
34:43
We have high draining kind of almost Mediterranean type
34:50
climate zone in the top half of our block, which is like dry
34:53
Bush and exposed to the wind and tricky slope.
34:58
And then we've got our middle area, which is like kind of our
35:02
lush gentle slope, which we've turned into our food forest,
35:05
which has better soil because the topsoil's been going down
35:08
the hill. And then we have a little Grove
35:10
of shade perpetually shaded area at the bottom of the hill.
35:14
So we've got a couple of trees that love having wet feet, like
35:17
our jackfruit consistently has wet feet down there, and it is
35:21
loving life. Yeah.
35:23
Cool, like growing things in different.
35:24
We've got 3 microclimates on our block to work.
35:27
I suppose that is a as well. You can be creative with that,
35:30
can't you? Yeah.
35:32
And sometimes if you're out on a client side, sometimes it's
35:39
about spending more time there. And you might, they might have
35:43
three or four different projects that they want to do on their
35:46
property. But it's important to stage
35:49
things out just so you can actually get there and spend
35:52
more time. But also because when you're
35:54
doing initial consultation and on the garden consults or
35:58
walkthroughs, you've only got a limited amount of time to be in
36:01
front of them. And whether it's that's because
36:05
of them or whether we've got to go pick up the kids or whatever
36:08
it is, you have to cramble a fair bit into it.
36:11
And you don't necessarily get the full picture of all three or
36:13
four projects and then have to do a quote for each element.
36:17
And sometimes you just say, OK, well, what's the priority area
36:21
for you? Let's focus on that.
36:23
And then through that process, we can continue to pull out
36:26
important information out of you or get to understand the the
36:30
different elements of the land in even greater detail and then
36:33
come up with another stage 2 solution that is going to be
36:37
more refined and and even better than what you could have
36:41
initially thought about. And yeah, we did spend a long
36:45
time just similar to us moving to the Sunshine Coast and trying
36:49
to find the right area. Sometimes you just need to sit
36:52
in an in a place, in your own land, in your own space and know
36:57
and get to know it, get to know it and understand the different
37:02
mechanisms at play and the different forces of nature.
37:06
The different it's the different trees.
37:08
Like just learning how to ID all of the plants on your property
37:14
was a. Big.
37:15
And yeah, and finding, finding all the existing trees that are
37:21
productive that we could, we just have random passion fruits
37:25
popping up all over the place that our, we didn't plant.
37:29
You know, I don't know how long they've been here for, but I'm
37:31
OK. I'm grateful that they're
37:33
producing for us. Yeah, exactly.
37:35
They're hidden benefits that just come out of it.
37:37
You just don't expect really cool.
37:40
I I love all of that thinking about working with the client
37:43
and like you said, thinking about the projects down the line
37:47
as well, because things change, people's goals and priorities
37:50
change. Like, you know, you have a child
37:52
that things change, like your time changes all of this.
37:55
So people's lives and goals will shift as the projects move as
37:59
well. How much are you following up
38:02
with your clients in the future once the project is fully done?
38:07
Like is that something that you do very often or is it something
38:10
you want to do or how important is that?
38:15
I think it's, it's definitely really important because it's an
38:20
opportunity to be able to add more value to them again in the
38:24
future, but also just be a sounding board if they're
38:26
thinking about things when you when you're working with land or
38:32
property. I don't personally like making
38:37
mistakes. I much prefer things to be
38:39
successful. You can learn a lot from your
38:41
mistakes, but some mistakes are more expensive than others.
38:47
And so there was plenty of things throughout our period
38:51
when we were on our own property and we would test things that
38:54
were and pretend not lead to being an expensive mistake.
38:57
But then it took us a while to really refine what the big plays
39:01
were going to be that we're going to be investing
39:03
potentially thousands of dollars, 10s of thousands of
39:06
dollars into, and we wanted to make sure that it was done
39:10
right. Yeah, that's still left.
39:13
Again. A lot of our clients who have
39:17
land similar to our situation often have existing gardens that
39:23
they need help with and they want new gardens too.
39:26
So for an example, like next week we put in, we replanted
39:31
some raised beds for a client and they had some fruit trees on
39:35
site and they have done nothing to manage their fruit trees
39:38
because they don't know they've moved from Brisbane and they
39:41
have acquired this land and they work full time and have kids and
39:45
just don't know what to do. So we, we saw their fruit trees
39:48
when we were on site and said when it's time we'll come and
39:51
help you with your trees. Yeah, I'm going out there next
39:55
week to do their trees with them, but I'll get to check in
39:58
on their veggie garden and give them some advice because we're
40:00
hitting spring season now, so they'll be ready to start their
40:04
new. Yeah.
40:06
And some people, I guess if we're doing a veggie patch, they
40:09
want the tools to be able to continue to manage it themselves
40:13
after we've put it in for them initially.
40:15
And we love that because we're setting people up to, I guess,
40:19
learn how to fish for themselves, you know, versus US
40:23
having to do it for them. And that way it kind of feeds
40:28
into our our vision of creating that individual ownership around
40:33
their own food supply. It's probably a really
40:36
complicated way to say it, but but essentially you then you
40:42
have some people that really just want you to do it for them.
40:44
So we can also go out sometimes and do replants as you're
40:48
interchanging through seasons and you know their old crops
40:52
have all kind of passed there use.
40:54
By date. Use by date and they need.
40:56
They need a refresh, so we might go in and put some additional
40:59
compost or soil in depending on where the bed bed levels are at
41:03
and put new seedlings in and remodel.
41:06
Give them the next season for them to enjoy those new ones.
41:09
You're taking the pressure off them as well, like doing too
41:12
much of the thinking you just out there.
41:14
Some people just want to outsource the experience.
41:16
They want help with things that they don't want to have to think
41:19
about half the time. Like they just want a productive
41:22
garden. They want to do the basics,
41:23
picking, watering, so then that's when you can come in and
41:28
do some of the heavy lifting, which I'm sure is actually a
41:31
physically heavily heavy lifting job too.
41:35
Definitely. Some people don't even want to
41:37
do the watering. So what we usually recommend for
41:39
them is like a Wiccan kit option for their raised beds where
41:43
there's like a, a reservoir of water that sits underneath it
41:46
and it, the, the plants or the veggies just pulled water up
41:50
from this reservoir as they need it rather than traditionally
41:53
like watering from top. So, you know, you're only having
41:57
to top up the beds once every couple of weeks, you know, at
42:00
that point versus having to be out there every day or every two
42:03
days watering it from with a hose, you know?
42:06
Which is important for people who like to travel and be away
42:09
for periods of time. That's a big deal for some
42:12
people, not going away and having their garden die while
42:16
they're away for a couple of weeks on holiday.
42:20
And there's the heat that we get in our QLD summits, you know, if
42:25
the plants have that constant supply of water and, you know,
42:30
forget that, forget about them for a day after they've been
42:32
scorching, then they still, they still go, all right, you know.
42:35
Yeah, yeah, it's a, it's honestly a really amazing
42:38
tactic. I wish you could install them
42:40
underground so that we could have that.
42:42
But yeah, with real good organic matter.
42:44
Then we have storage of water deep underground and you know,
42:48
blah blah blah. We do have water based and
42:51
still. Yeah, exactly.
42:52
Yeah, that's. Essentially when it's based off
42:54
the model. Yeah, and it works so well, like
42:57
you said, for people travelling, people doing all sorts of
43:00
different things where they're not always able to get there in
43:02
Border. I'd like to make a little bit of
43:06
a kind of a pivot towards thinking about, I guess like
43:12
starting this journey on a business together now and
43:17
creating this new life for you guys.
43:20
I've been fascinated by what business owners have at the top
43:25
of their mind currently in terms of like, for example, for
43:29
myself, one of the main things that I think about regularly at
43:33
the moment, and it was brought up in a recent podcast as well
43:35
as consistency in trying to show up just everyday doing what I'm
43:41
doing and trying to to help as many people as possible.
43:45
But also on the back of that, another thing that's really top
43:47
of mind to me is one person at a time, right?
43:50
So I think so much about trying to spread the message, trying to
43:56
help as many people as possible, right?
43:58
Let's say that line quite a fair bit.
44:00
But realistically in my head it's one person at a time, 1
44:03
interaction at a time, going and shaking a hand, helping somebody
44:07
with, you know, thinking about how do they go away on holiday
44:10
when they need to water their garden.
44:12
And that little mentality is helping me tick and being a bit
44:16
of a North Star at the moment. So can you give me a bit of an
44:20
insight into business mind thinking about you guys and
44:23
moving forwards, What's some things that are top of mind for
44:26
you at the moment? Should.
44:29
I go first. Go for it.
44:31
If you got something to say, say.
44:33
I think I'm a, I'm a values based business advocate and I
44:40
just love, I connect with a business if I know their values
44:44
and they align with mine. And so when we created this
44:48
business, we were very intentional about honing our
44:53
values and being able to communicate that and tying that
44:56
into our greater mission. We have, we have a couple of I
45:00
guess business interests and passions that go beyond
45:04
gardening and we're trying to kind of tie them together under
45:08
the same mission and that's kind of in alignment with our family
45:11
culture and values. So yeah, having having a good
45:16
mission and being able to communicate that helps you a lot
45:19
with your marketing and stay making good decisions that.
45:23
Align, you mentioned Jordan, like showing up.
45:30
I think being present for the intentional conversations that
45:36
you're having with people is incredibly important and
45:40
valuable, but a big part of that is just being authentic and not
45:48
BS ING your way through it and building a sense of community
45:54
where there's actually trust in and encouraging trust.
45:57
And whether that is through working with your clients or
46:02
networking with other business professionals or even now
46:06
business partnership, which is marriage, like there's, there's
46:11
no one that I trust more than Bethany.
46:13
And that's a pretty good place to be in business.
46:15
And I think a lot of people struggle to do business with
46:18
their partners, But I can't speak into why on that.
46:26
But I can say there's nobody else that I'd rather be in doing
46:29
business with because I. Love that.
46:31
But it's being mindful about when you talk about business and
46:35
creating the structure and the time and the place and being
46:37
proactive about how you manage those things versus just
46:40
constantly being in reactivity, which means you really have to
46:44
manage your time well and manage expectations for each other well
46:50
and but also manage the expectations of our clients.
46:54
So like we're really mindful about work hours and what time
46:58
of work and when we're present for our children and because
47:02
they're the reason that we're doing all of this.
47:03
And then, but if all we're doing is working when they're present,
47:09
it kind of defeats the purpose of trying to do all of this in
47:13
the 1st place. Because we from a values
47:15
perspective, legacy is really important to us and investing in
47:18
our children to make sure that they have the opportunities that
47:22
we've had growing up. But so that they get to live
47:26
really cool, connected, you know, being in nature and
47:31
learning about the world in a healthy, organic way and
47:35
authentic way. And that's going to build them
47:38
to be successful human beings in whatever field they end up doing
47:44
for work. Even this idea of work is a big
47:47
question of because so many people work in things that they
47:52
don't really enjoy doing for the sake of getting dollars into
47:56
their bank account. That is something that I had to
48:00
wrestle with for a long time and break away from in, but also
48:06
push me and drive me to create something and become a creator
48:10
of the lifestyle that I want, but then learn how to attract
48:14
the wealth and their finances and the resources to be able to
48:17
support that. Because at the end of the day,
48:21
and having a big finance background, at the end of the
48:23
day, everything is just resources.
48:25
And it's about how it's about how we steward those resources
48:28
that really counts and making good decisions around those
48:32
resources consistently over a really long period of time and
48:37
not taking massive risks like a lot of people can do, you know,
48:43
but it, it's important to take risk at the same time.
48:46
And but it's calculated risk and the time that you spend doing
48:51
the research and understanding how things work and the that's
48:56
that just puts you in such a good position to be able to make
48:59
a good informed decision versus like, and that's very proactive
49:03
thinking versus reactive where most people act.
49:08
I don't say most people is this very big generalization.
49:12
Some people just, I guess, live week to week and really don't
49:20
have that that drive to pull themselves out of the survival
49:24
mentality and reacting to just life that's happening to them
49:28
versus becoming mindful and conscious about the decisions
49:35
that they make can create the life that they actually want.
49:38
And yeah, sorry, it's just a passion.
49:44
It's a passion of mine because I'm constantly having these
49:46
conversations with people and I'm just constantly like
49:52
wrestling with with this idea of what work is, what work should
49:59
be. I resonate with that so much,
50:03
man. Like just just the way that
50:07
you're framing it in terms of the ideal scenario that we're
50:13
trying to sort of aim for where we're striking a balance between
50:19
creating a or creating a life by doing, but also having this
50:23
vision and you're, you're planning and pre thoughts.
50:26
And it's, it's a, it's a balance between patience and action that
50:32
is very well thought out and the, the sentiments you shared
50:37
about or both of you about the community and the, the family.
50:40
And this shared ethics and values is so super important.
50:47
It's so it's a guiding staff for a lot of what you're doing,
50:50
sharing how you're thinking around family in the future and
50:53
setting up your children beautiful.
50:55
Absolutely share that 100%. And I think that more and more
50:58
people are starting to figure that out.
51:00
Like deep down, this is kind of what we're craving for.
51:04
So what you shared there about the balance between work and
51:10
what that looks like, especially in this, I say modern world
51:16
because we're at what I feel like these two sides where we've
51:19
got this very intense, fast moving technological society.
51:23
But then we've got this also yearning for slowing down and
51:27
coming back to our roots of this old school way of doing things.
51:32
It's like, what does this blend of those two where we can not be
51:38
just living in a cabin in the woods versus like still trying
51:42
to integrate the majority of society into an ideal, into a
51:45
way of life that is this nice balance of, OK, yes, we need to
51:49
provide for our families. We want to build something in
51:51
this modern world, playing the game to achieve what we want
51:56
versus like, OK, do we just go, you know, screw it, we're off in
51:59
the forest. Let's just run away from life.
52:02
You know what I mean? Which I've thought about a few
52:04
times. Do you, do you resonate with any
52:08
of that as well? Is that kind of what you're
52:10
what's going on in your head? Well, to, to answer your
52:14
question before, it's like what are, what are the big things
52:16
that we're thinking about from a business perspective at the
52:18
moment? I would say teaching more people
52:22
how to create that balance is direction that we're probably
52:28
really heading in. And one of the best ways to do
52:32
that is to switch people on consciously about where their
52:35
food comes from, but also engaging with their creative
52:40
side and helping them explore ideas and thoughts around
52:47
creating the type of life that they want.
52:49
And, and I guess that probably a part of that comes from my
52:54
financial planning background because finance is another
52:56
resource that can allow you to the flexibility to make good,
53:00
you know, decisions. Having that creative
53:06
conversation and empowering people to be able to do that is
53:11
something that we're really passionate about.
53:14
It shows, it shows. And I think the cultivation of
53:18
or the accumulation, sorry, more so of the two of you in your
53:23
diverse range of experiences where you're coming from, like
53:26
even with healthcare, Bethany, like that's such an area where
53:29
you're visually seeing the impacts of not having good
53:33
health quite regularly, right? So having that and then you know
53:38
yourself real with all your different diverse knowledge,
53:41
it's you're able to help people in a way of seeing things from
53:46
so many different perspectives. Are you finding that that's
53:49
somewhere you're enjoying moving?
53:53
In terms of giving advice on this more, whether it be just
53:57
the gardens or whether it be life or whether it's business,
54:00
is that something you're enjoying?
54:03
Yes, it is, but I haven't quite figured out what it looks like
54:07
yet. We were we were in in health and
54:09
finance, we were in coaching roles and we were very
54:13
established and qualified in those spaces.
54:16
But they were very rigid spaces to work in where you and
54:21
standardized spaces like research based you stay within
54:26
your lane and quite specific. So moving into a more flexible,
54:33
I guess, entrepreneurial lifestyle, we've found that it's
54:36
been really freeing because we can now explore different
54:41
passions and interests and get paid to do it and learn new
54:46
things and research new things and develop new skills, which
54:50
has been so fun. But I think I think having a
54:55
very fundamental understanding of how business as a wealth
55:00
creation vehicle helps because if you look across history and I
55:05
think Warren Buffett says it, business is the number one
55:09
wealth creation vehicle across all of history.
55:12
And I always knew that I'd be in business when I was younger, but
55:16
I just didn't know what. And now and the the messaging
55:20
that I got was you find a profession and then you become
55:23
really, really good at that niche skill set.
55:27
And now that we've both done that, we kind of realized we
55:30
actually like playing the generalistic it.
55:34
Was with our parents. Entrepreneur.
55:35
Yeah, yeah, yeah. You stayed in a career your
55:38
whole life, but that's not what we do anymore.
55:41
Yeah, very true, very true. We're both musicians as well and
55:45
over the last few years I've been really exploring that and
55:49
have been earning good money being a musician, playing live
55:53
performances. And I love that, you know, and I
55:56
also write a lot of music and we both do.
56:00
And so that's that's a big part of the creativity element as
56:05
well is that's just our particular creative outlet is
56:07
music, but there's so many different ways to engage in your
56:11
creativity. But that all that helps you
56:14
think outside the box. It helps you adapt, it helps you
56:17
improvise. It helps you even have
56:19
conversations with people, you know, because you become
56:24
creative and you become capable of making things up on the spot.
56:29
Or, you know, I'm just talking about that from a music sense.
56:33
Yeah, definitely. Even in this conversation, I've
56:35
had to make, you know, articulate to you, you know, and
56:39
so I'm pulling things together constantly in my mind and and
56:43
communicating that as as a message that you and your
56:46
listeners would be able to understand.
56:48
But that's a combination of a lot of years spent talking to
56:53
people, writing, writing lyrics, writing, you know, content,
56:58
whatever it is. Practicing basically.
57:01
Practicing, you know, and that's really powerful.
57:05
That's really powerful. It all accumulates.
57:07
For you, it stood out for me meeting you guys.
57:10
And I mean, I was blessed by the fact that you were forced to
57:15
stand next to me for three days and I got the benefit of, you
57:21
know, picking your brains on various different things in the
57:24
way that you saw the world. And I think it's super valuable.
57:27
And I reckon that you will do something well in that Ave.,
57:32
however that looks, you know, whether that's something that
57:35
you just share through your content, whether it's something
57:39
you decide to pivot into or take the whole top down vision that
57:44
you're helping people see or different perspectives of that
57:48
vision. I see you guys doing something
57:50
in there and I feel like you've got a lot to share with that.
57:54
So it's a lot of reason why I wanted to highlight you guys on
57:56
here as well is because the way that you see the world, I think
58:00
is refreshing because it's something that maybe I needed,
58:07
you know, to go run into people like you to have someone go, oh,
58:11
like I love when people make me just like stop and kind of think
58:14
as you're telling me something and I go, wow, that's made me
58:17
really reflect on that in a different way.
58:19
And you guys did that in spades. So I loved it and I really,
58:23
really appreciate that. And I think that you will do
58:25
something really cool in that space if that's where you're
58:28
going to be moving. Thank you.
58:30
And yeah, I think who knows what the future holds.
58:33
I mean, we're starting to write everything down again, always
58:38
writing things down. But yeah, it's a, I'm excited
58:43
about the, the refined, I guess vision for what it is that we're
58:48
trying to create in in our lifestyle and in our family
58:51
legacy. I've just started documenting
58:54
our our growth of our food forest.
58:56
It's 12 months in and I'm just showing what we're growing in
59:01
our subtropical climate here in Queensland.
59:04
We're on the sunny Coast. I'm bringing out some resources
59:08
to help people get growing in our climate to succeed.
59:11
And yeah, if you've ever been interested to see a food forest
59:14
grow, you get to watch it online, which is fun.
59:17
Yeah, follow along for the journey.
59:19
I've already been doing that since you guys sort of started
59:22
introducing send me to that and I'm keen to see where it ends
59:25
up. So I really recommend and you
59:27
just you've just released something.
59:29
What is it? Where did you just?
59:30
Release the subtropical growers guide so it's got everything you
59:35
can grow food wise in our climate, when to grow it, which
59:39
plants. So yeah.
59:41
I'm gonna go and get myself a copy.
59:44
I need it actually, because that's something that I need to
59:46
be refreshed on sometimes. So yeah, thank you guys.
59:51
I really appreciate you and thanks for the time.
1:00:10
And then we have the conversation, everybody.
1:00:12
What a wonderful pair they both are.
1:00:14
And as I mentioned, they just emanate the right kind of.
1:00:21
Motivations and the, the right intentions for someone like
1:00:26
myself to really find a lot of motivation and inspiration in
1:00:29
their journey and their story. So I really hope that you found
1:00:34
some inspiration in that too, because it's it's really
1:00:37
difficult to think about the life that you want to create,
1:00:40
let alone having to sort of reverse engineer those goals and
1:00:44
start putting into things into consideration and being
1:00:48
carefully considered about the whole thing and not rushing into
1:00:51
it and making any silly mistakes.
1:00:52
As Rio mentioned, he doesn't like mistakes.
1:00:54
I'm very, very much on that same page.
1:00:56
We want to do things right the first time if we can.
1:01:00
So thank you very much for watching.
1:01:03
Go and check out their links. They will be LinkedIn, the
1:01:06
description. Remember there's both key
1:01:08
landscapes and their family food forest journey as well, which
1:01:11
they have launched. You can go and check out that
1:01:13
free guide as well. I'm going to be going getting
1:01:16
myself copy as well. Actually, I might link that if I
1:01:20
can find it, I'm going to link it in the description below for
1:01:22
you. So you can go straight to that,
1:01:23
bypass anything that you need to and go and collect that straight
1:01:27
away. But go and show them some love.
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1:01:47
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1:01:50
Thank you so much for watching and listening and I look forward
1:01:53
to seeing you very much on the next episode.
1:01:56
Bye for now.