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ANGEL-OF-DEATH NURSE SECRETLY MURDERS PATIENTS ON NIGHT SHIFT · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 2: First one patient, then the next, then the next, then
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Speaker 2: the next. It goes all the way to twenty two
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Speaker 2: and I believe more. Did they not notice all the
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Speaker 2: patients dropping dead?
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Speaker 3: Well?
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Speaker 2: Probably not. I mean it was a hospital, but it
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Speaker 2: all seems wrong. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories.
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Speaker 2: Thank you for being with us here at Crime Stories
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Speaker 2: and on Serious XM one eleven. Let's just start at
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Speaker 2: the beginning. Take a listen to this.
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Speaker 4: On August thirty, first, a staff member finds a seventy
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Speaker 4: three year old male patient convulsing in his bed. He
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Speaker 4: has no history of seizures, according to his medical charge,
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Speaker 4: was given medication ten minutes before the seizures began. The
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Speaker 4: post because that reports, the man is rushed to Butler Hospital,
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Speaker 4: where doctors discover the seizures have been brought on by hypoglycemia.
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Speaker 4: Hypook glycemia is a condition in which the body's blood
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Speaker 4: sugar level is lower than the standard range. This is
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Speaker 4: a condition almost always related to diabetes. The patient is
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Speaker 4: not diabetic. Treating doctors believe the only way this patient's
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Speaker 4: blood sugar could have plummeted is if someone had given
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Speaker 4: him a massive dose of insulin. The attending physician is
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Speaker 4: able to get the man stabilized and he recovers.
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Speaker 2: Okay, I'm a JD, not an MD, so I'm going
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Speaker 2: to need someone to interpret what I just heard. Joining
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Speaker 2: me before I go to investigative reporter for the New
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Speaker 2: York Post, Deirdre Bartoff, I've got to go to a
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Speaker 2: doc or in our case, we also have a forensic
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Speaker 2: nurse expert, doctor Kendal Crown's is joining me, Chief Medical
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Speaker 2: Examiner of Terrant County. That's Fort Worth Lecturer in University
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Speaker 2: Texas Austin and Texas Christian University Medical School, doctor Kendall Crowns.
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Speaker 2: What did that reporter just say? I always think of
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Speaker 2: diabetics or blood sugar as the problem would be high
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Speaker 2: blood sugar. I thought low blood sugar is a good thing, So.
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Speaker 3: Low blood sugar is a good thing. But critically low
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Speaker 3: blood sugar where you aren't getting any sugar in your body.
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Speaker 3: Your brain thrives on sugar. The fuel of your brain
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Speaker 3: is sugar. If your blood sugar goes too low, it
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Speaker 3: causes your brain to short out and you have seizure
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Speaker 3: and it goes to coma and you eventually die.
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Speaker 2: Also joining us. In addition to doctor Kendall Crown's Valerie Curiole,
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Speaker 2: she has so many letters beside her name, no vowels
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Speaker 2: are in bsn CCR, in forensic Nurse expert with a
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Speaker 2: GOODOIN Medical Forensics Board, certified in Critical Care nursing, and
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Speaker 2: you can find her at Goodoymedical dot net. Valerie Creole
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Speaker 2: Agree or disagree with what doctor Kennel Crown's just said.
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Speaker 5: I agree, and I would also like to add that
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Speaker 5: blood sugar, like most labs within the body, are found
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Speaker 5: within a normal range, So anything outside of that normal
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Speaker 5: range would need to be treated once it reaches an
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Speaker 5: extreme value. For example, if a blood sugar reaches lower
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Speaker 5: than seventy, a lot of patients would present with symptoms
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Speaker 5: such as shakiness, sweating, symptoms that you get if you
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Speaker 5: would go for a long time without eating. That would
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Speaker 5: also be considered mild type of lycemia. But once you
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Speaker 5: reach more severe levels, it would need to be reversed
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Speaker 5: with medications, which is dexterro.
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Speaker 2: Well, the other thing is I'm going to go to
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Speaker 2: special guests joining US investigative reporter in New York Post,
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Speaker 2: Deirdra barred Off Deirdra, when you're in the hospital, you
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Speaker 2: assume that you're surrounded by doctors and nurses and they're
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Speaker 2: not going to let your blood sugar get so low
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Speaker 2: that you die, right right?
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Speaker 6: Yeah, of course?
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Speaker 2: So is this the first patient, Deirdre that dies A
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Speaker 2: seventy three year old male patient convoults thing.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, I believe so, among many ranging all different ages.
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Speaker 2: In addition to Deirdre Bardoff, Valerie Krill and doctor Kendall
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Speaker 2: Crowns high profile lawyer joining me in this jurisdiction, rob
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Speaker 2: In Pierce managing partner Robert Pierce and Associates. You can
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Speaker 2: find him at piercelaw dot com. Rob Thank you for
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Speaker 2: being with us. Where is this particular facility located where
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Speaker 2: the first death occurred?
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Speaker 7: Butler County is approximately twenty miles outside of Pittsburgh.
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Speaker 2: Well six weeks later another dead body listen.
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Speaker 4: About six weeks later, another quality of life patient ends
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Speaker 4: up in the hospital. He's being treated for a urinary
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Speaker 4: tract infection, but while he's there, nurses discovered the fifty
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Speaker 4: five year old patient is also hypoglycemic. The postc is
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Speaker 4: that reports the man has never been diagnosed with diabetes
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Speaker 4: and once his blood sugar is stabilized, he returns to
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Speaker 4: the Quality of Life Services facility.
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Speaker 2: And it's not over yet. Listen.
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Speaker 4: About four weeks after the fifty five year old patient
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Speaker 4: returns to Quality of Life Services, he is back at
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Speaker 4: the Butler Memorial Hospital again. His blood sugar is so
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Speaker 4: abnormally low that medical staff is suspicious WTAE reports. Investigators
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Speaker 4: say the man's pre existing medical conditions would prevent him
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Speaker 4: from administering the insulin himself. It would have had to
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Speaker 4: be done by someone else. Three hours later, his eighty
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Speaker 4: three year old Sweetbat Equality of Life Services is admitted
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Speaker 4: with the exact same symptoms hypoglycemia. While this patient is diabetic,
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Speaker 4: he is in the end stages of dementia in hospice care.
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Speaker 4: There's no way he could have injected himself with insulin.
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Speaker 2: And then quite the coincidence. Take a listen to our
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Speaker 2: friends at crime Online.
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Speaker 4: Medical providers at Butler Memorial Hospital are unable to stabilize
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Speaker 4: the fifty five year old patient during his second visit,
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Speaker 4: and he dies after his family ends life sustaining care.
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Speaker 4: Three weeks later, on Christmas Day, his suite mate at
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Speaker 4: Quality of Life Services also dies. The New York post
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Speaker 4: reports the Butler Memorial staff is shocked and saddened. Since
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Speaker 4: neither man had been capable of injecting themselves with insulin,
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Speaker 4: staff begins to consider that someone is deliberately hurting patients.
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Speaker 2: Okay, Lisa Daddio joining me, former police lieutenant with New
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Speaker 2: Haven PD, also the lead detective on the any Lay case,
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Speaker 2: which was a real puzzle. Director of the Center of
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Speaker 2: Advanced Policing and GRAD program coordinator, Lisa Daddio, thank you
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Speaker 2: for being with us. Listen, I'm not a nurse, I'm
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Speaker 2: not a doctor, but I know this. When you have
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Speaker 2: multiple patients killing over that are not diabetic of hypoglossmia,
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Speaker 2: including two roommates, I would immediately start a homicide investigation.
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Speaker 8: So absolutely, Nancy, what I don't understand. And here's where
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Speaker 8: it gets a little complicated. Obviously, the facility where these
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Speaker 8: deaths happened would had to have contacted the police department
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Speaker 8: or a family member if they were concerned. But I'm
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Speaker 8: guessing they didn't know the manner or the cause of
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Speaker 8: death at the time that this happened. But the facility
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Speaker 8: definitely knew, so they would have had an obligation to
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Speaker 8: contact authorities. We've gone into facilities like this in the
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Speaker 8: past with a lot less than what happened in this
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Speaker 8: particular case.
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Speaker 2: Guys, we are talking about a facility, a healthcare facility,
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Speaker 2: including a hospital, where people just die one after the next.
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Speaker 2: And of course hypoglossmia low blood sugar is not contagious,
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Speaker 2: So why are they all die? And back to doctor
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Speaker 2: Kennel Crowns. When your sugar goes low, why do you die?
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Speaker 2: And I'm confused about how if you inject insulin into
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Speaker 2: your body that would make your sugar lower.
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Speaker 3: Explain that basically what happens is influence is produced by
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Speaker 3: your pancreas naturally to help you process blood sugar. And
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Speaker 3: when you are injected with a lot of influence, it
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Speaker 3: causes your blood sugar to be improperly ingested or increased
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Speaker 3: or lowered artificially a critical level. So if you're given
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Speaker 3: a huge amount of influence all at once, it critically
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Speaker 3: drops your blood sugar and then your brain no longer
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Speaker 3: has the fuel that it uses to function, and your
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Speaker 3: brain shuts down and go into a coma and then
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Speaker 3: you eventually die.
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Speaker 2: Make you rob In Pierce joining us managing partner Robert
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Speaker 2: Pearson associates. Rob again, you told me that this is
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Speaker 2: generally near Pittsburgh. But what kind of a facility is this?
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Speaker 2: Is it a hospital? Is it can be an old folks?
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Speaker 2: H because one guy who was just fifty five years old?
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Speaker 9: What is it?
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Speaker 7: You have a series of healthcare and rehabilitation facilities that
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Speaker 7: generally speaking, care for those patients for a variety of
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Speaker 7: medical needs that often are very serious in nature. So
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Speaker 7: the age of the residents oftentimes are older. But that
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Speaker 7: being said, there are younger people there.
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Speaker 2: Well, is it a hospital?
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Speaker 9: What is it?
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Speaker 7: It is a long term health care facility.
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Speaker 2: Machia Deardrew Bardoff joining us in the New York Post.
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Speaker 2: So is it a rehab Is it a hospital? What isn't?
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Speaker 6: Quality Life Services is a retirement nursing facility in Chakora,
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Speaker 6: which is in Butler County.
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Speaker 2: Dear you're Bardolf. Is it a chain?
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Speaker 6: It is a chain.
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Speaker 1: Time stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 2: To Alisa, Daddy, what's the first thing you would do
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Speaker 2: as well? Right now, we've got three dead bodies. But
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Speaker 2: that's the tip of the iceberg.
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Speaker 8: I mean, we should have been contacted obviously after the
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Speaker 8: first death, when suspicion was raised we would request information
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Speaker 8: and they're going to claim that we're not privy to
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Speaker 8: it necessarily. So it's going to require surgencies, say.
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Speaker 2: Who is going to claim who is not privy to
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Speaker 2: the information.
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Speaker 8: The facility underneath HIPPA and so they're not going to
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Speaker 8: be willing to give us records on all the patients
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Speaker 8: that have died in their care over a prolonged period
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Speaker 8: of time. So we need to start with the commonalities,
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Speaker 8: how many patients have died and under what circumstances, And
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Speaker 8: oftentimes when dealing with the medical facility, they're not willing
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Speaker 8: to give you that information without having a CORET order.
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Speaker 2: And then we turned to scuttle butt, in other words,
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Speaker 2: who's saying what down at the nurses station?
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Speaker 3: That is correct?
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Speaker 2: And I want to hear everything that's said amongst the nurses,
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Speaker 2: amongst the doctors, amongst the orderlies against every person that
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Speaker 2: clinging to bedpen What do these patients have in common?
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Speaker 2: Doctor Jory L. Crassen joining us a psychologist, former law
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Speaker 2: enforcement now faculty at Saint Leo University and author of
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Speaker 2: Operations Doctor Jury. I recall when my dad went for
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Speaker 2: his first open heart surgery and he was airlifted to
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Speaker 2: University of Our Alabama. We took him to world renowned
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Speaker 2: Emma University and he was in such bad shape they
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Speaker 2: wouldn't take him, so he was airlifted to Alabama. They
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Speaker 2: saved his life, by the way, But about three days
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Speaker 2: into his stay there, one after the next after the
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Speaker 2: next person started dying on his hall. But it was
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Speaker 2: from a deadly staff infection. That's understandable, not good, but understandable.
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Speaker 2: Here you have people that had never been diabetic suddenly
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Speaker 2: dying of hypoglossmia. And it wasn't a simple death. They
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Speaker 2: didn't just like fall asleep and die. They would convulse
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Speaker 2: and then die, including two sweep mates.
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Speaker 9: Yeah, I see that. There's there's a pattern, definitely with
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Speaker 9: the methodology, but there's also a pattern and the behavior,
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Speaker 9: and that's kind of revert back to certain individuals that
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Speaker 9: have acts to that type of medication practice, that methodology
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Speaker 9: of death.
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Speaker 2: Another thing, and this is to Lisa Daddio or whoever
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Speaker 2: wants to jump in. You start listening to what the nurses,
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Speaker 2: the orderlies, everyone, the cleaners are saying, and someone comes forward,
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Speaker 2: take a listen to our cut nine.
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Speaker 4: During the investigation, a nurse who works with Presty, says
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Speaker 4: Presty commented that one of her patients would be better
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Speaker 4: off dead right before he is hospitalized with hypoglycemia. In court,
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Speaker 4: filing's medical records clearly show it was nurse Presty who
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Speaker 4: is in charge of the medication chart. On August thirty first.
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Speaker 2: Okay, rob Ann Pierce joining us managing partner Robert Pearson
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Speaker 2: associates as well as Deirdre Bardolph with The New York Post.
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Speaker 2: Who is this woman, Deirdre? Who is Heather Presty?
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Speaker 5: Right?
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Speaker 6: Heather Presty is a who only joined the practice a
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Speaker 6: few years ago, working for several different healthcare facilities in
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Speaker 6: her in her brief career, she started in veterinary school
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Speaker 6: with a vet tech h and then became a nurse,
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Speaker 6: and she worked at the different facilities and jumped around
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Speaker 6: and had a history of different disciplinary actions against her
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Speaker 6: in her in her time.
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Speaker 2: What kind of disciplinary actions you know?
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Speaker 6: The documents that I've gone through don't specify too much
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Speaker 6: about her her accusations, but I think there are some
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Speaker 6: mentions of mistreatment of patients.
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Speaker 2: I was always curious to me why when someone has
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Speaker 2: disciplinary actions against them they continue to be hired. They
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Speaker 2: just go to a different place. Facility. We know a
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Speaker 2: little bit about it. Take ust an hour cut too other.
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Speaker 4: Presty is the assistant director of Nursing at Quality of
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Speaker 4: Life Services in western Pennsylvania. Quality of Life Services is
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Speaker 4: a skilled nursing facility with several locations, offering services from
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Speaker 4: short term rehabilitation to hospice care. Presty began working at
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Speaker 4: Quality of Life Services as a registered nurse, and during
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Speaker 4: her six months with the group, she's promoted to assistant
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Speaker 4: director of nursing and later the interim director of nursing.
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Speaker 1: So she's just not a nurse.
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Speaker 2: She is the director of nursing at this facility. Wow,
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Speaker 2: for someone with a history of disciplinary actions against her,
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Speaker 2: how the hey does she make it to director of nursing.
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Speaker 2: Valerie crele are in you ever seen anything like it?
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Speaker 5: You know, it's not uncommon, especially in skilled nursing facilities,
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Speaker 5: because the way that these types of facilities are structured
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Speaker 5: is that there are a handful of RNs that oversee
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Speaker 5: a license vocational nurses and nursing assistants. So typically the
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Speaker 5: RNs will be in charge of medications and supervision of
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Speaker 5: these other staff members. The registered nurses would then step
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Speaker 5: in if there was a call off for example of LVN,
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Speaker 5: but generally they were not involved in direct care. But
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Speaker 5: due to the nursing shortage approp related to COVID and
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Speaker 5: the number of facilities that were available, they may have
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Speaker 5: just been short staffed and they weren't necessarily looking for
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Speaker 5: the best of the best nurse. They were just trying
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Speaker 5: to get these patients cared for because these patients have
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Speaker 5: There's such a high number of these patients in these facilities, right,
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Speaker 5: so that probably played into it.
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Speaker 2: What more do we know?
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Speaker 4: Take a listen our cut seven investigators and staff members
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Speaker 4: turned to Heather Presty. Her positions at Quality of Life Services,
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Speaker 4: first as assistant director and later as the interim director
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Speaker 4: of Nursing puts her in authority to investigate possible abuse
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Speaker 4: is taking place. Then an RN comes forward by passing
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Speaker 4: Presty to make sure what she has to say is heard.
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Speaker 2: So what does that mean to Rob Pierce, Managing Director
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Speaker 2: Robert Pearson Associates, Rob is representing ten families connected to
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Speaker 2: this case. I want you to hear Rob what our
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Speaker 2: friends at crime Online have to say. In our cut eight.
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Speaker 4: A registered nurse at the facility says she was to
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Speaker 4: relieve Presty on August thirty first, That's the day this
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Speaker 4: seventy three year old ended up at Butler Hospital the
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Speaker 4: first time, but thirty minutes after her shift ends, Presty
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Speaker 4: still hasn't left. According to ABC News, The RN report
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Speaker 4: she saw Presty walk in the direction of the seventy
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Speaker 4: three year old patient's room. It isn't long after the
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Speaker 4: man has the medical emergency. The RN says she sees
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Speaker 4: a box of lancets sitting on a table in his room.
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Speaker 4: Nurses use lancets to check blood sugar. This patient doesn't
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Speaker 4: have diabetes.
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Speaker 2: It's eerily reminiscent of another case that nurse Lucy let
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Speaker 2: be listen, Rob appears joining us. Rob. How many people?
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Speaker 2: How many patients do you believe can be connected to
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Speaker 2: Heather Presdy.
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Speaker 7: We don't know an exact number as of today. What
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Speaker 7: we do know is there are at least twenty two
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Speaker 7: patients that she is admitted to either harming or killing.
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Speaker 7: Seventeen of the twenty two have passed away. I do
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Speaker 7: know that we are currently investigating six others in the
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Speaker 7: Attorney General's Office is also investigating those claims that have
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Speaker 7: very similar conduct, very similar circumstances, and I'm afraid this
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Speaker 7: may be the tip of the iceberg.
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Speaker 2: Rob Piers explained to me, was she going from facility
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Speaker 2: to facility allegedly killing people.
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Speaker 7: It's very analogous to pedophiles that go, whether it be
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Speaker 7: with some of the church situations or other places. They're
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Speaker 7: let go from one place, no one says much of anything.
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Speaker 7: They go to another place and the same conduct occurs
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Speaker 7: over and over and over again. What we do know
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Speaker 7: is that Heather Presdy was at eleven different facilities within
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Speaker 7: five years before she was arrested.
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Speaker 2: There's j Bardolph joining us in the New York Post.
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Speaker 2: Tell me about the charges that have been filed against
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Speaker 2: the nurse Heather Presdy as of right now.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, so, as of now, Heather Presty has been charged
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Speaker 6: with mistreating twenty two patients ranging an age from forty
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Speaker 6: three to one hundred and four years old. In all,
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Speaker 6: seventeen of those patients have died, but she has not
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Speaker 6: been charged in the depths of all of those yet.
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Speaker 2: So right now she's only charged Deirdre with seventeen of
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Speaker 2: the twenty two.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, so seventeen pounds of attempted murder.
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Speaker 2: Question, Dearzra, was her imma, modus opera andi, method of
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Speaker 2: operation always the same? Did every patient suffer hypoglossmia, go
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Speaker 2: into convulsions and die.
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Speaker 6: It seems that yes, using insulin was the way that
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Speaker 6: she harmed these patients. It was something that she kind
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Speaker 6: of bragged about, having a lot of experience with insulin matters.
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Speaker 2: Now, that first incident that happened back in August, Heather
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Speaker 2: Presley checked out of work and then two hours later,
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Speaker 2: the staff finds the seventy three year old victim dead.
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Speaker 2: He had had seizures and suffered from severe hypoglossmia immediately
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Speaker 2: after Presy provided direct here to him. So, Valerie Creole,
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Speaker 2: joining US forensic nurse expert, how would we go about
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Speaker 2: proving that her action killed the seventy seven year old.
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Speaker 5: Well, you could look at the big picture and find
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Speaker 5: the pattern. But you could start with each patient, starting
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Speaker 5: with their presenting symptoms and then walk back in the
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Speaker 5: charting look at how they were earlier in the evening
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Speaker 5: when they were normal, and then look at the pattern
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Speaker 5: of events that took place, who was in the room,
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Speaker 5: what medications were administered, how they presented after the interaction
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Speaker 5: with prosy and go from there. You can look at
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Speaker 5: whether or not they had a history of diabetes. With
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Speaker 5: the severity of hypogue lycemia, it shouldn't be that much
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Speaker 5: of a factor, but you can just look at the
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Speaker 5: overall pattern, and he was the delay of care a
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Speaker 5: factor because if she was a registered or she should
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Speaker 5: have recognized the signs of symptems of hypoglycemia and gotten
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Speaker 5: help for that patient.
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Speaker 2: We also know that a fifty eight year old woman
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Speaker 2: who was not insulin dependent also dies. She was admitted
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Speaker 2: for low blood sugar after being found unresponsive, but then
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Speaker 2: she dies after being in the care of Heather presdy
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Speaker 2: rob hears do all of these twenty two victims that
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Speaker 2: we know of, were they all suffering from hypo gloscemia
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Speaker 2: or are there other methods of operations?
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Speaker 7: There are other methods. Not every patient and resident that
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Speaker 7: was harmed was diabetic. Many were not, and so they
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Speaker 7: were provided insulin that was obviously either not prescribed or
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Speaker 7: in a dosage that was well in excess of what
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Speaker 7: was prescribed that eventually led to their passing away.
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Speaker 2: In fact, in one case, a woman dies after getting
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Speaker 2: sixty units of insulin. What is that doctor Kendall Crowns.
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Speaker 2: What are sixty years units of insulin?
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Speaker 3: Fifty units of insulin is probably six kinds the normal dose.
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Speaker 3: It's not something that you should ever see in an individual,
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Speaker 3: especially when they're not being given insulin ever being given
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Speaker 3: to them. So that's a lethal dose, no matter how
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Speaker 3: you slice it.
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Speaker 2: You Now we are talking about these victims as if
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Speaker 2: they were beyond help. One of these women were she
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Speaker 2: was just fifty five years old. One victim fifty eight.
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Speaker 2: These people are young people in the prime of their lives.
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Speaker 2: And I can't help but harken back to a nurse
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Speaker 2: that murdered so meany of her patience. Lucy let Be listen.
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Speaker 4: Lucy let Be tried to kill twin boys when they
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Speaker 4: were just a day old. The babies are known as
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Speaker 4: Baby L and Baby M. It took nearly thirty minutes
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Speaker 4: to get Baby EM's hard to restart, but both babies.
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Speaker 4: The parents were never told what caused the babies to crash,
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Speaker 4: but experts concluded it was caused by air being injected
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Speaker 4: into the bloodstream. Two years later, when police were investigating,
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Speaker 4: the parents were finally told what happened to their babies.
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Speaker 2: And there's more, many of the children died. Take a
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Speaker 2: listen to an instance where two of three healthy triplets
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Speaker 2: die within twenty four hours of each other.
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Speaker 4: In our cut ten, when two out of three healthy
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Speaker 4: triplets die within twenty four hours of each other, a
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Speaker 4: team of seven consultants led by doctor Stephen Breriy talk
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Speaker 4: openly about their concerns about Lucy. Let be Bery points
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Speaker 4: out that nobody wants to consider a member of the
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Speaker 4: staff being responsible for harming babies in their care, but
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Speaker 4: two out of three triplets dying in twenty four hours
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Speaker 4: can't be ignored.
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Speaker 2: Rob Pierce there are many, many cases of angels of
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Speaker 2: day doctors, but mostly nurses that kill their patients, and
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Speaker 2: in Letby's case, she also used ods of insulin to
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Speaker 2: kill infants, so Rob hears in that case it took
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Speaker 2: two of three triplets to be murdered before anyone finally
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Speaker 2: put a stop to it. Here we have twenty two
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Speaker 2: victims that we know of. Did they not notice? Did
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Speaker 2: they not think on number fourteen or fifteen? Wow, there's
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Speaker 2: something wrong. There's something the faeryou is going on within
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Speaker 2: our center.
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Speaker 7: I think it's pretty clear that the facilities did not
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Speaker 7: do enough to investigate the staff complaints about Heather President.
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Speaker 2: What were the staff compliants?
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Speaker 7: There are investigation and the Attorney General's investigation has shown
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Speaker 7: that early on, staff was concerned about the amount of
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Speaker 7: time as he spent with particular patients and then their
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Speaker 7: care deteriorated shortly thereafter. In addition, there are some allegations
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Speaker 7: that staff referenced her to be the killer nurse because
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Speaker 7: her patients tended to pass away, and the constant theme
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Speaker 7: amongst the eleven facilities she worked in over five years
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Speaker 7: was that she had extra amount of time with patients,
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Speaker 7: the patients deteriorated, and then she either resigned or was
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Speaker 7: terminated due to abusive behavior towards patients or staff.
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Speaker 2: I mean her nickname was the killer nurse. Is that
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Speaker 2: what you said?
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Speaker 7: Yes, there are some staff members that have indicated she
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Speaker 7: is known as the killer nurse.
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Speaker 2: I mean doctor Jury Krausen joining me, psychologist, doctor Drury.
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Speaker 2: If I were one of the victim's family, I'd want
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Speaker 2: to go burn the whole place down. They knew something
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Speaker 2: was wrong, her nickname was the killer nurse, and they
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Speaker 2: did not thing, And one patient after the next after
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Speaker 2: the next continues to die and a painful death too.
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Speaker 9: We see this in, like you said, nursing professions, but
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Speaker 9: there's other professions where we see this type of homicidal
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Speaker 9: behavior and they go on to continue on in that profession.
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Speaker 10: One thing I wanted to comment on her background was
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Speaker 10: when she was the veterinarian tech, she practiced euthanasia. She
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Speaker 10: was the one that put the animals down and on
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Speaker 10: one of the patients she said looked at me like
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Speaker 10: an animal would, helpless and like she needed something.
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Speaker 9: There was no quality of life. That was like directly
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Speaker 9: from the affidavit. So you know that there's going to
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Speaker 9: be a connection between the practice of euth in asia
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Speaker 9: that she learned as a vet tech now coming into
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Speaker 9: the nursing profession.
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Speaker 1: Prime stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 2: Rob Heerce. I didn't realize that when she was a
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Speaker 2: vettech she took peculiar interest in euthanizing animals. Did you
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Speaker 2: know that.
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Speaker 7: We are aware that she spent many years as a
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Speaker 7: vettech and that was part of her job. But as
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Speaker 7: your other guests are indicating, sometimes that's a beginning of
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Speaker 7: a sign of concern if there is enjoyment with that act.
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Speaker 2: I don't understand the enjoyment you get out of killing something,
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Speaker 2: but take a listen to our cut eleven.
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Speaker 4: Heather Presty was previously charged with homicide, accused of intentionally
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Speaker 4: overdosing her patients with insulin. Now she's facing new charges.
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Speaker 4: Attorney General Michelle Henry says forty one year old Heather
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Speaker 4: Presty is charged with two new counts of first degree murder,
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Speaker 4: seventeen new counts of attempted murder, and nineteen counts of
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Speaker 4: neglect of a care dependent person. Presty is accused of
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Speaker 4: administering excessive amounts of insulin to these patients, some of
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Speaker 4: whom were diabetic and required insulin, and some of whom
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Speaker 4: were not. The ag said seventeen patients cared for by
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Speaker 4: Presty died.
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Speaker 2: It won't meet just a matter of proving the physiology
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Speaker 2: the cause of death in these cases, there's extrinsic evidence
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Speaker 2: as well. Wait till a jury hears this our cut thirteen.
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Speaker 4: According to the police criminal complaint report, Presty took substantial
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Speaker 4: steps to kill the patients in question intentionally. Currently, four
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Speaker 4: the deceased have confirmed causes of death. Five of the
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Speaker 4: patients survived the overdoses. The victims ranged from forty three
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Speaker 4: to one hundred and four years old. Presty worked at
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Speaker 4: twelve different nursing homes or long term skilled nursing care
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Speaker 4: facilities from October twenty eighteen until her arrest in May.
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Speaker 4: The alleged murders took place at seven of those care facilities.
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Speaker 4: The criminal complaint includes statements from previous co workers. According
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Speaker 4: to multiple staff member, Presty allegedly openly and frequently commented
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Speaker 4: that the patients just need to die.
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Speaker 2: Okay, as far as I'm concerned, all of these chains
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Speaker 2: they need to be closed down. I mean Rob Pierce.
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Speaker 2: She was saying the patients quote need to die, and
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Speaker 2: nobody did anything. They just kept her there.
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Speaker 7: I think what you have to try to separate is
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Speaker 7: that some staff members tried to do something. We have
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Speaker 7: evidence that they complained to management and that management either
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Speaker 7: did very little or did a quick investigation and continued
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Speaker 7: to allow Heather Presdy to serve as either the assistant
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Speaker 7: director or director of nursing. So there are people that
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Speaker 7: try to stop it but unsuccessfully.
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Speaker 2: What do you mean by a quick investigation? What exactly happened?
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Speaker 7: We are aware in the case of Marion Bauer that
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Speaker 7: there were staff members at Bellair health Care and Reabilitation
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Speaker 7: Center complained about the amount of time Heather Presdy was
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Speaker 7: spending with certain patients and that some of those patients
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Speaker 7: either got very sick or passed away. We have been
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Speaker 7: informed that they notified someone in management. We also know
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Speaker 7: that coincidentally, the state came in and issued a citation
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Speaker 7: of immediate jeopardy, which is where there's a citation that
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Speaker 7: patients either have been harmed or likely to be harmed
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Speaker 7: based upon conduct within a facility. Heather Presdy was given
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Speaker 7: a brief removal from her management position while investigation occurred.
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Speaker 7: Our information revealed that they did not feel there was
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Speaker 7: sufficient charges to dismiss her at that time and put
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Speaker 7: her back in for the care of patients. Unfortunately, thereafter
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Speaker 7: more patients passed away, not just at bel Air, but
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Speaker 7: at several other subsequent facilities.
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Speaker 2: What more did Heather Presdy say, just forty one years old,
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Speaker 2: take a listen our friends, that crime online and cuts.
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Speaker 4: Se According to investigators, Heather Presty said things to others
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Speaker 4: about patients like one woman looked at her like an
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Speaker 4: animal would She told investigators one man had no quality
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Speaker 4: of life, saying she felt bad for another and one
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Speaker 4: just needed to die. At Son of You Nursing and
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Speaker 4: Rehabilitation in Butler, coworkers told investigators that Presty often said
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Speaker 4: residents just needed to die. But Presty's attorney said her
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Speaker 4: actions were motivated by mercy, the actions of a caregiver
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Speaker 4: who wanted to spare patience she saw as far too infirm.
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Speaker 2: Presdy is not the first angel of death. Does the
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Speaker 2: name Charles Cullen ring a bell? Take a listen to twenty.
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Speaker 4: Charles Cullen worked as a nurse for sixteen years, spending
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Speaker 4: multiple New Jersey medical centers, but wherever Culin worked, patients
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Speaker 4: seemed to die mysteriously. Before it thorough investigation could be done,
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Speaker 4: Culin would leave lie on a job by application and
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Speaker 4: get another nursing job at another medical center. Investigators find
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Speaker 4: caught up with Cullin and say he killed at least
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Speaker 4: twenty nine people. He claims to be responsible for as
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Speaker 4: many as forty murders committed as an active nurse where
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Speaker 4: he used insulin and other injectables to kill his patients.
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Speaker 2: And of course there's Jonathan Hayes. What no discussion will
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Speaker 2: be complete without him listen.
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Speaker 4: In North Carolina, prosecutors claim a rogue male nurse is
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Speaker 4: to blame for the alleged jabbing of two patients with
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Speaker 4: lethal doses of insulin at a hospital. WFMY reports forty
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Speaker 4: seven year old Jonathan Hayes is now a former nurse
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Speaker 4: at Atrium Health Wake Forest Baptist Medical Center in Winston, Salem.
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Speaker 4: Hayes is charged with two counts of murder and one
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Speaker 4: count of attempted murder. Hayes accused of administering a near
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Speaker 4: lethal dose of insulin to Pamela Little, who survived the
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Speaker 4: December one, twenty twenty one jab A month later, on
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Speaker 4: January fifth, twenty twenty two, he allegedly administered a lethal
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Speaker 4: dose to gwyn Crawford, and seventeen days later, gave a
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Speaker 4: third patient, Vicky Lingerfeldt, a lethal dose. Authority say both
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Speaker 4: women died on January twenty seven.
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Speaker 2: A penciling your nurse, Heather Presidy, accused our murdering patients
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Speaker 2: with fatal doses of insulin as now confessing and her
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Speaker 2: lawyer claims, but it was a mercy motivation, Like you
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Speaker 2: think I care her motivation for murder, It's still murder.
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Speaker 2: She talks about her patients like their animals. So what
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Speaker 2: is happening next, dear gerbardolv.
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Speaker 6: Right, Well, Presty is in custody at Butler Tony Prison.
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Speaker 6: She's being held without.
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Speaker 2: Bout Rob Pierce. What's the latest?
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Speaker 7: The Attorney General's Office is continuing to investigate any other
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Speaker 7: allegations from similar patients. There are criminal charges that are pending,
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Speaker 7: and that in February of next year. There is some
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Speaker 7: discussion of potentially having a preliminary hearing where her criminal
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Speaker 7: lawyers and the Attorney General's representatives can discuss if a
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Speaker 7: plea agreement is appropriate or not based upon the facts
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Speaker 7: known at the time.
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Speaker 2: A plea agreement. Is this not a death penalty case?
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Speaker 7: I would defer to the Attorney General's office.
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Speaker 2: Well, has anybody announced we're going to see the death penalty?
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Speaker 7: I have not heard anything that they're seeking the death penalty?
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Speaker 2: Good? Crazy? How many people do you have to kill
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Speaker 2: in that jurisdiction of Pennsylvania before they at least try
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Speaker 2: to get the death penalty? This nurse claiming she killed
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Speaker 2: patients because she pitied their quote quality of life while
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Speaker 2: their families were paying an arm and a leg to
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Speaker 2: have their loved ones taken care of, and then comes
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Speaker 2: along Heather Presdy. I don't know that I would call
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Speaker 2: her an angel of death. She's more like the devil's
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Speaker 2: minion of death. We wait as justice unfolds. And just
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Speaker 2: in case you're listening, Pennsylvania AG, we've got nearly twenty
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Speaker 2: dead bodies that we know of, and you don't have
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Speaker 2: the backbone to seek the death penalty. I'm not saying
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Speaker 2: if you get it, can't you at least try for
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Speaker 2: Pete's sake, We wait as just as sunfolds. Goodbye, Clint,