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471 ROBERT DUVALL Tribute Show - The Cine-Files LIVE · The Cine-Files

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[SPEAKER_00]: Hello, everyone and welcome to a brand new episode of the Cinophiles Live here on the Cinophiles YouTube channel.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I am one half of the Cinophiles, the John Roker joint is always by my other half here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Steve Morris, how are you, Steve?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'm doing very good and I'm not happy about the circumstances, but I am happy to honor one of the great actors of my lifetime, you know?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, absolutely.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Someone who is span seven decades of work in the industry, garnering numerous awards, numerous iconic characters.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And of course, numerous tributes to him from his recent passing at 95 years old.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And we are talking, of course, about the great Robert DuValb, who we lost earlier this week.
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[SPEAKER_00]: As I said, he received an Academy Award a BAFTA award for Golden Globe Awards.
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[SPEAKER_00]: two prime time Emmy Awards and bring up that photo because I love this photo and look how happy he looks there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: A screen actor's guild award and was critically claimed for a technical proficiency and community and like ability.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So much so that the legendary Vincent can be.
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[SPEAKER_00]: dubbed him the American Olivier in 1980 and the label stuck ever since for Robert Duval.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So Steve, I know it's, you know, 95 is a very long life and he certainly did a number of films and TV shows, got all these awards.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But when you think about Robert Duval, now looking back and his passing and his career and his work and who he was as a person, one of the things that you think about
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, it definitely isn't the American Olivier.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I, that's such a weird comparison to me because it's, to me, it's just like, he's nothing like Olivier.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I don't.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I, I doesn't, doesn't make sense to me at all.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What's, what's amazing to me in what I've really been thinking about is like, I mean, I think it's particularly because we lost Gene Hackman last year.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's like, oh, that's where this generation of actors is now
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[SPEAKER_01]: Duval and Hackman, they are the 70s actors to me, you know what I mean?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like these are this particular brand of down-to-earth, absolutely real, incredibly powerful, both really versatile, both willing to play supporting roles, which is something we'll talk about quite a bit, not everyone is.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And Duval's just Duval, you know, like he's just one of those guys,
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[SPEAKER_01]: who can play very, very different characters and always brings that bit of himself to everything he does.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I hear what you're saying.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And of course, you know, far beyond for us to be Grudge, Vincent, can't be his opinion, the legendary film critic, Vincent, can't be, but you, I agree with you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: When I heard American Olivier, that's not what I necessarily thought, because I don't see Olivier as this,
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[SPEAKER_00]: working man's actor who did not deliver these grandiose attention getting performances.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's that's not how I see Robert Duval.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think the attention that's paid to Robert Duval is because he doesn't do out this he's not known for doing these outlandish out there kind of characters or melodramatic kind of characters.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There are much more guys that you would probably know, you grew up with.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You saw, you maybe your dad was one of those guys, or your uncoller people, you knew who were your friend's fathers.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There was such an interesting approach to his world, or his performances, that I think connected with a lot of us on a soulful level, because we felt that this was someone that we know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think that's one of the reasons why he is overshadowed by people like
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[SPEAKER_00]: Hoffman, these are all his contemporaries, but he's overshadowed at times by them because they delivered the more attentions getting performances, yet I would argue in some really intellectual and moving ways, Duval's performances were every bit as good as anything that De Nero Hoffman, Machino or Hackman delivered during their lifetimes, and especially in their primes in the 70s and 80s.
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[SPEAKER_01]: one of the differences to me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like Hoffman, the method guy, he's gonna become whatever it is that that's the theory, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, he's gonna totally transform himself.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I certainly know that there are movies where Duval was extremely method and did that kind of thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But what I don't see, it's not, there is a, I guess, a down to earthness about the, a Duval's performance and a personalness about it that I find is really different.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's, it's funny.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I remember the story where Copila invited all of the actors up to his place in Marin County and had them a big Italian dinner with Taliyah Shire serving and all of them fell into their characters
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[SPEAKER_01]: with James Kahn trying to be really tough and impressed Brando and Al Pacino being sort of quiet and observing in everything and apparently Robert Duval was just busting Brando's balls.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But there's stories.
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[SPEAKER_01]: There was a story I remember from the Godfather where they had to do.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it was the scene where they go to the Undertaker because Sunny is dead.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And Brando apparently went to Copeland said,
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[SPEAKER_01]: Can I take a minute before the scene?
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's then to fall for like having to do like a reaction shot.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We went up immediately to go up was like, I'm going to need a minute.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it's like, you get to know there was a lot of ball busting.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like it seems like to fall.
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[SPEAKER_01]: didn't have, there was some insecurity he was missing, I think, in terms of his performance that he just, yeah, into things a hundred percent, you know what I mean?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I agree with you and I think you know, when you study Robert Duval and certainly getting ready for our conversation today, I went through a number of articles, reading about his upbringing, reading about his time, in getting to become an actor.
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[SPEAKER_00]: There's something about his upbringing that I think colors
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[SPEAKER_00]: Those moments, believable from someone like Robert DuVal because he is a guy that seemed to take the craft as seriously as he needed to take it while he was doing it, but always understood that was more going on in the world, it wasn't that serious, right, but he dedicated himself to the crafty study, the theatrically trained, the crafty study, the crafty study, the crafty study, the crafty study, the crafty study, the crafty study, the crafty study, the crafty study, the crafty study, the crafty study, the crafty study, the crafty study, the crafty study, the crafty study, the crafty study, the crafty study, the crafty study, the crafty study, the crafty study, the crafty study, the crafty study, the crafty study, the crafty study, the crafty study, the crafty study, the crafty study, the crafty study, the crafty study, the crafty study, the crafty study,
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[SPEAKER_00]: did his time on the stage before he got in front of camera like he was a part of some really incredible productions as he was getting stronger and stronger as an actor, but he wasn't good in school.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He was essentially almost failing out of school and his father who had been a navy guy, watered him to go in the navy, but he couldn't.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's like, I just didn't see any logic in that because I was no good at anything but acting.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He did eventually serve in the military in the army for a couple of years in the 50s, but like it seems to me that he lived a life that was very much outside the world of acting before he walked into the world of acting and seemed to keep himself very clear with one foot in the real world, one foot in the acting world and never
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[SPEAKER_00]: lose and never sliding into that state of pretentiousness about it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so when you talk to me and tell me about how we busted brando as balls, that makes sense because Duval wouldn't have taken it that seriously because he was so good at it and trained at it, he didn't need to draw attention to it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think there's a rarity in that with a lot of actors who achieve success in front of the camera and on the stage.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think you put your finger on a cleavage that is really important that we don't talk about enough.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Which is that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I do.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, I really do.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Which is that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because basically, what you're pointing out is that Duval took the art of acting really, really seriously.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But he actually didn't take himself that seriously.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And you know what I mean?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like it's the...
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's the, I mean, you know, I even know I've said it before, but the idea of like there's a reason that it's called a play like we're all getting up and putting on silly outfits and pretending to be people were not that is a ridiculous thing to do and even though you take it really seriously because you want to do the best possible job, he's not and that's why I immediately had that reaction against the American Olivier because everything I always hear about a Olivier, he took himself real real seriously.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, and anyone who any slight that came out him, he was offended and it was, you know, and that's not to ball at all.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But then we do have that story where he told Hoffman, try acting son, when Dolphin went too far the other side.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So there's an irony in that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But yes, from what we know about Olivier, he very much took himself seriously.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But what are some of the roles, you know, and thank you to everybody who's joining us alive.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I see some super chats have already come in.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you so much, please feel free to send in your stream labs and supertets as we go along.
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[SPEAKER_00]: What are your thoughts on Robert Duval?
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[SPEAKER_00]: What are your some of your favorite performances, movie scenes from TV shows or from on screen there in your theater and your local theater?
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[SPEAKER_00]: What do you think about when you think about Robert Duval?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Send us your questions, thoughts, and comments.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We will read them on the air as we go along for sure.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But Steve, what are some of the roles that stand out for you when you talk about or you think about Robert Duval and think about
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, the first one that really stood out, I don't know that it was the first movie I saw, but it's apocalypse now.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, like that, that is Duvalness to the Macs, that is the ultimate of Duval in my feeling.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And what's so crazy, you know, he has arguably the most famous line in the movie, one of the most famous sequences in the movie with the rise of the right of the Valkyries and the attack and the helicopters, he's only in the movie for like 10 or 15 minutes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Boy, oh boy, every second he's on screen, and you've mentioned his character multiple times in multiple contexts, recently, as the person who you just knew was never going to get a scratch.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, there are some people, you know that, yeah, and I agree.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And the thing is when you see this, when you read about how he created that character, the character was originally much more over the top.
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[SPEAKER_00]: much more ridiculous.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And the thing is Robert DeVal approached that character and went to Copola and said to him, hey man, I want to make this guy a little more realistic.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They'll still keep the fantastical nature of him, but I want him to be a little more realistic and more grounded.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he's the one who came up with the outfit, the scarf, all of this stuff because of people he had known when he was because he was a naval brat, he had met in the military.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Their work
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[SPEAKER_00]: just like this in the military.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I served, I know, I met two guys like this in the military that you were just like absolutely blown away had nothing phases them and they just power through and nothing ever touches them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And you're just amazed at it because you're just a ball of nerves.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so seeing this, again, the realistic approach
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[SPEAKER_00]: to a somewhat fantastical character, I think is the key to that role that makes it stand out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It is one of those rare roles that is like really attention getting, that Duval did because of how he, and I think used his voice, how he used his body, and how he delivered these scenes, and how much of a conflicting character he was.
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[SPEAKER_00]: One moment,
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[SPEAKER_00]: wanting to give water to the person who is dying, then the second something distracts him like Lance, he drops the water on top of the person who was just, who it looked like he was being incredibly gracious too.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's just a phenomenal thing that you watched him perform that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think if he hadn't applied that realism that he had learned from watching guys in the military, the character wouldn't have been as iconic and enduring as it has been.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, it's funny about that character, it's almost the opposite of what I was just saying about Duval.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I said, yeah, you know, Duval took the work seriously, but didn't take himself seriously, this guy takes himself seriously like this guy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It is all about his show and if his show, if part of the show is showing compassion to a person by giving them some water.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Absolutely.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's going to do that show until oh wait something over there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, and then he's totally not in.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Guys, it wasn't about that at all.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It was always just about performing the role of this great military hero.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I mean, he was, I was saying the steep before we started the show how I was really surprised at how some of the stuff that Robert DuVall grew up connected to and becoming a part of is stuff that is kind of intersected into into my life and so it was a really weird thing for me to discover that I didn't know all this stuff about Robert DuVall first of all.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't know he was born in San Diego.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He was born in San Diego, or I currently live now in 1931.
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[SPEAKER_00]: As I said, his dad was an admiral, a rear admiral in the United States Navy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: His father was from Virginia, which is where I grew up and descended from early Maryland settler, may dream do evolve.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's how far back the Duvals go in that sense.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He went to school in Svartapark, Maryland, which is, you know, I drove through Svartapark number of times living in Virginia.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And as I said, his father wanted to get into the Naval Academy, but he really didn't gravitate to that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And instead, he served in the United States Army after the Korean War for two years and leaving as a private first class.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he was stationed at Fort Gordon in Georgia, which is where I was stationed at for my AIT training in August of Georgia.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So there was just little things like that, but it was in Augusta where he started to get into acting.
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[SPEAKER_00]: he got into a production of room service in Augusta and that kind of started him down this process of acting got into the neighborhood play out school of theater in New York City and and then start studying with Sanford Meizner under the GI Bill is classmates or Gene Hackman James Con who he would of course later be in with the godfather then he lived with Dustin Hoffman and Gene Hackman and both Hoffman and Hackman felt that Duval was the most talented of the
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[SPEAKER_00]: it's a fascinating world to see.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's almost like the Beatles, these guys in a small town in Liverpool somehow become some of the greatest musicians ever bringing these three actors into one room and then you add James Khan into the time.
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[SPEAKER_00]: As a contemporary, they're acting in the same school.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it's just amazing to think about how much talent was rolling through there and you've all kind of carving out his own niche amongst all these incredibly talented
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's just this magical thing thinking about these guys before their careers hit, all hanging out together.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, just like us, you know what I mean?
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Those moments before success, they're just struggling people.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And you totally had the thing where, I mean, it's like we were talking when we did Superman is that Christopher Reeves isn't like an off-road way play with William Hurt.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I thought,
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[SPEAKER_01]: forget who the other was another big actor with him at the time that he's auditioning for Superman.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, yeah, all these people coming up.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I just think about what that means for Hackman and Hoffman to say, no, no, to evolve was the most talented of us.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that's that's something.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because those are those are not guys that are shy about their abilities, you know?
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[SPEAKER_00]: And those of guys who were like, they were voted, like, the least likely to succeed, yet they succeeded in such incredible ways, but they certainly knew how talented Rob DeVal was overall.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Unless a DeVal got into, as I was saying, got into a lot of plays there in the 50s at the Gateway Playhouse in doing equity summer theater in Long Island.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He was in productions of Time Out for Ginger, picnic, the cat in the Canary Arthur Miller's crucible,
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[SPEAKER_00]: bus stop which became something became a movie as well.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Frederick Knott's dial M for murder.
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[SPEAKER_00]: These are all plays that he did on stage.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Agatha Christie's witness for the prosecution.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Arthur Miller's a view from the bridge.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Miller himself attended one of the divorce performances as Eddie and during that performance.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, he, he, he made important people, which allowed you all in two months to land the lead in the naked city television series.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's how he gets into television, but before we get there, he's also still performing on stage.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He performs in DC at the arena stage, which I've been to a number of times.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The McLean theater in Virginia.
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[SPEAKER_00]: which I'd been to a couple of times as well.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So clearly clearly working on his craft in great great plays in numerous places.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He was Jimmy in the Rainmaker.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He was in Stanley Koalski and Tennessee Williams, a street car named Desire in 1959.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then he was in Roman often Julia there in 1959 as well.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He acted in Tennessee Williams's communal reality as well.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And did a number, and then Mrs. Warren's profession from George Bernard Shaw.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So this is a guy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: who is holding his skills in multiple plays that are of real renown and note and developing himself as an actor the whole time, it's just fascinating to think about how all this stuff has happened before we ever see him on screen, which we'll get to in just a second and stay for me personally, I love it when an actor is built and forged in the theater.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Because you know, if they're good and they survive and keep getting cast, that when you see them on screen, they're really going to knock you out of a knock you on your on your ass watching his performance.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I feel the same way.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, this is him making his bones and the thing is yeah, and I learned this and I mean, no, there are actors who have a theater background and their actors who are have a only a film background.
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[SPEAKER_01]: there are fantastic actors who do not have a theater background.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You can be an unbelievably great movie star and never trod the boards as they say.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but I learned something particularly with young actors when I first started looking at
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[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, head shots and resumes and they come in for auditions is that if you saw a list of 27 commercials for national brands, they're a working actor and they're very successful.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It does not mean the same thing as if you saw that they played Eddie in a view from the bridge at a reputable theater.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like that's because the job of showing up and doing a Toyota commercial and saying, Wow, the handling on this Celica is beautiful.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That takes a very special skill, but that's not the same thing as being in an arc for Miller play and he's a big part and I know what they did if I see that someone was in, you know, in Arthur Miller or in, you know,
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[SPEAKER_01]: to do a whole play, particularly in the big part in one of those plays, you can't be full of shit, like you have to have done the work, and it says something about Duval that that's what he did.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think one of the most saddest things in our real world is that we can't go back and watch.
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[SPEAKER_00]: performances like that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I would love to see Robert Duval's version of Stanley Koalski.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I would love to see him screaming Stella.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It would be so believable or talking to Blanche Duwan a certain way or having, because he had that ferocity in him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Duval had that ferocity when he needed to in certain roles.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so to see him do Koalski on stage, I think would have been electric, you know, to see.
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[SPEAKER_00]: what he would do with it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And maybe not the sexuality of Brando, but but a completely different approach that would have just as just as exciting to watch.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I'll tell you what's interesting.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We obviously talked about Gene Hackman a lot over the side of his passing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We're currently talking about
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[SPEAKER_01]: Jack Nicholson in a few minutes and you have to evolve.
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[SPEAKER_01]: These are three guys, all of whom can deliver a maximum amount of intensity, all of whom can deliver a maximum amount of masculinity and sometimes aggressiveness and all of those things and they're all three completely different.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They have a total of the feeling
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[SPEAKER_01]: of Duval coming at you, Nicholson coming at you and Hackman coming at you are all different.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They're all their own thing and Duval has a rhythm and a voice like his way of speaking is just that's where we're Duval.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's his own thing, you know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, agreed.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I would have been so curious to see Robert Duval's version of Colonel Jessup.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We already talked about our ideas for Hackman's version of Colonel Jessup Duval's.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, I think it would have been very interesting to see.
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[SPEAKER_00]: as well.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, right around these time here in the late 1950s, 1959, he starts to appear on television.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's in shows like Albert Hitchcock presents the naked city, as I mentioned, the Untouchables Route 66, the Twilight Zone, which I'm sure some of the people who are listening to us have seen every episode of Twilight, don't know you know, specifically which one he's in, the outer limits, the fugitive, boys to the bottom of the sea.
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[SPEAKER_00]: One of my favorite shows is a kid on repeat.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And the mod squad, that's right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I just do fall on the mod squad.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And while he's building his bones here on screen, he's still on stage in the 1960s, mid-1965, he wins an OB award for an off-Broadway production of as Eddie again in a view from the bridge at the Sheridan Playhouse.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then he made his Broadway debut a year later.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So
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[SPEAKER_00]: all this time through the 50s he's appearing in all these different theaters all around these coast all around the country and doesn't make his Broadway debut until 1966 that tells you that maybe Robert Duval was a kind of guy that was either either he was a guy who was like
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[SPEAKER_00]: couldn't quite get there in terms of the Broadway casting, or he was a guy who knew he had to work on his craft and did it in these other places, holding his trash, holding his craft, and then boom, he's ready to be on Broadway.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it is as Harry wrote in Frederick's knots, uh, wait until dark at the Ethel Baramort Theatre.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And we know that one, oh, I least I know that one.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if you Steve, you've seen that one.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, it's a little dark with Audrey Hepburn where she is blind.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not ending it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, three men break into the house to try to kill her and she has to fight them off.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Throughout, it's a great movie with anything Alan Orkin plays the Robert Duval role in the movie.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But yes, and his other Broadway performance was as Walter Cole in David Mammitz, American Buffalo, and that was in 1977.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So did not tread the broards on Broadway that often?
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[SPEAKER_00]: uh... but when he got a chance it was for two incredible productions uh... for sure as well as i mentioned he gets into the tv stuff and but then also in the early nineteen sixties is when we see him for the first time on screen and that is in another iconic role and that is as uh... boo radly uh... in tequila mockingbird so you remember him is boo radly in tequila mockingbird uh... steve or has been a wasis unit or what do you thought's there
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's so weird because no, but this is one of those ones where I saw to kill a mockingbird before I really knew who Robert Duval was and then went back and went holy shit.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's where I would evolve.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like to kill a mockingbird's an interesting one.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I haven't watched it in a few years.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's obviously, it's one I thought about.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We haven't talked about doing it on the cinephiles that much.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Super important book.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And what's interesting about Robert Duval, because he plays the weird creepy guy, like he plays the, and what's, and it's really playing off his striking face and his, what he does with that role and it is like the opposite of where he ends up going, I think, you know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's a great point.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And you know, this is a character that's presented to us as a possible murderer, a possible villain, right?
24:13
[SPEAKER_00]: But it is through his performance here and his honing his skills as an actor that we find sympathy for him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We find a connection to him and we see through scout the relationship that develops between them that is really phenomenal to see.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's a
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[SPEAKER_00]: the greatness of what we're going to see as Robert DuVal comes on as an actor in his life.
24:37
[SPEAKER_00]: And throughout the 60s he plays a number of smaller roles throughout this, including he is a cab driver who ferry Steve McQueen around just before the chase scene in bullet.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He was lucky Ned Pepper.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, who Barry Pepper played in in true grip, but he did his version in true grits in 1996 nice true grit, um, fighting John Wayne there at the end of the climb active or so he was certainly laying the groundwork for what was going to come here in the 70s and Steve, this is where
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[SPEAKER_00]: he really takes off in the seventies right because we see him in quite a lot of films as we mentioned earlier here in the godfather uh we mentioned apocalypse now uh we also see him in network one of I know that's one of your favorite films Steve as well and quite and this is where he's really kind of laying
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[SPEAKER_00]: Sorry, not laying, but establishing himself as an actor of note and actor to be reckoned with and an actor that people are going to naturally enjoy as well and another role that we talked about recently with him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He is also in mash.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If my fantasies about how the world was supposed to work, was true, which they are not.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The kind of career Robert Duval has is the one that I believe in, which is that he busted his ass over and over again doing all sorts of theater, all sorts of television, slowly but surely built up his craft until establishing himself and some key roles and then he just started working.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This isn't like the discovery of the hot young movie star who suddenly thrown on billboards all across the country.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This is a working actor.
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[SPEAKER_01]: who knows his craft and and suddenly Hollywood realizes like, oh, this guy is an asset.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And the thing I know I said at the beginning, but one of the things I love about him is that he'll come in and play a great supporting part in network.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And he's fantastic.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I think there's like in net, you know, like he said, it's one of my favorite movies, which it absolutely is.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And his portrayal of the intense, only thinking about success executive
26:53
[SPEAKER_01]: is so great.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The line, and I can't not hear, I'm just going to say the words, the line that always positive in my head is like, it's a hit.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's a big, big hit hit.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Just only the wall could say words in that way.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's just fantastic.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, and I think we see the scope of Duval as an actor during the 1970s as well.
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[SPEAKER_00]: In terms of the way he's able to deliver these performances, that a times can be quite iconic when you talk about, okay, we're there in Apocalypse Nars, I mentioned the executive and network, but also the quiet, kind of reserve nature of his timehaken.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right here is the guy who, where Sonny is all over the place in angry and Michael is this quiet slow burning fire.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Here is Tom who is trying to keep it all together, trying to be the level headed guy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Are there occasional moments where he loses his temper with Sonny?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, but you also this wounded character when we get to Godfather too, with how Michael treats him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So it's an interesting role that he plays.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And of course he's the outsider who is on the inside being someone who
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[SPEAKER_00]: Related to the Corleones by blood, but he's a kid that's sunny found.
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[SPEAKER_00]: They brought into the family, but he's no less of a son to Avita Corleone, then Michael or Sonny or a daughter there in in What happens is so you see these connections that throughout that he develops and seeing him Vasulate through these Performances even when you look at THX 1138 again a very quiet performance
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[SPEAKER_00]: And you might argue we don't have a star wars without the moderate success of THX 1138 bringing us George Lucas certainly you had American graffiti now things but like this is him kind of through his student film which is what it originally was making it a feature film and bringing Robert DuVolz really quiet reserve performance out in that film as well of course this all leads to him being nominated for Best Actor for the Great Santini having kind of
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[SPEAKER_00]: ensemble rollsers.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think people called him Hollywood's number one number two lead in the mid-1970s.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's a great way to describe him until he starts grabbing these rolls here where he's the lead.
29:12
[SPEAKER_00]: So you covered a lot of stuff and I have a lot of multiple.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, multiple, multiple thoughts.
29:16
[SPEAKER_01]: So the first one, it's just on THX 1138.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I first saw George Lucas's short film, yeah, which he made at USC Film School, when I was a student at USC Film School, and I was working on my own short film.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And they said, here, let me show you, let's show you this little short, who's, it was like the same class that I'm doing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And they showed us THX 1138 now and fuck.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because it's for, but in terms of a short student film, it is amazing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The movie, THX 1138, have you seen it?
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, I have.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's so boring.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, visually, George Lucas has an incredible eye and there's visual things in it that are great.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And it is so, I think it is the least taking advantage of the amazing talents of Robert Duval, as you could possibly imagine, because here you have this dynamic actor and you have this, you know, very cold script.
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[SPEAKER_01]: at director who at that time, I mean, this is like five years before, or we get to Star Wars, and when he did Star Wars, he couldn't talk to an actor.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So he certainly couldn't talk to an actor on TV.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She takes a look at 38.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think to me, to be, I think for, you know, this is the cinephiles, and if all use cinephiles are watching it, you haven't seen it, you should see it, because it's an important film for many reasons, but it's not, it's not good.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Then you get, you, you, you mentioned mash and I just think again, he plays an incredibly restrained, unlikable and difficult part in that movie that is not what you're going to see so much from him later on, but it's really good and then to the godfather.
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[SPEAKER_01]: The thing I think that people think don't
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[SPEAKER_01]: really think about what the Godfather, because you think of the Godfather mostly as they're these two unbelievable starring performances in Al Pacino and Marlon Brando, but really the Godfather's an ensemble film.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, Michael is the central character, but you spent a lot of time moving around and I think one of the interesting things being an ensemble, and I don't know this.
31:12
[SPEAKER_01]: This is just something I'm speculating on, but that I think there's a sense you're playing in the chorus.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And not everybody can play the alto or the soprano, not everybody in the symphony can be the obo or the flute.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You have to find what instrument you can play.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I really think that Duval realize what James Khan is doing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Instead, I can't compete because normally, there's all that masculinity and intensity with Duval.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And he's like, oh, if I try to do that, I'm just going to be competing with James Khan.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so I think he sits back.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And him sitting back and having that calm and that control is what makes that performance so great in particular to me when he's talking to the producer and Hollywood and the guys insulting him and saying horrible things about him and he's super calm doesn't phase him at all at his leaving us to by the way, I admire your pictures very much.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like it's just so in the pocket and that's what makes that character so powerful if he had gotten big he would've actually diminished his power.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I agree with you a hundred percent.
32:17
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's when you look at what he can bring to the role and how to support actors know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not going to match what they're doing, so I'm going to underplay it, but I'm going to be no less effective as they are by underplaying it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I argue it takes even more talent, depending on the situation, depending on the role and the movie to underplay the role that you've been given because most actors tend to want to be peacocks.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so to have an actor who here now understands, okay, I'm not going to be, I'm not the leader of this movie, but I'm going to stand it in my own way.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's no less touching or moving or interesting throughout those two movies.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And it's because he plays him again, he plays it with a humanity, a groundedness that I think we would relate to Tom Haken.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And as you said, when Waltz is dressing him down, he has to be back to it because there's a quiet confidence
33:15
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, and you're so right, and Godfather too, when he's like, you know, why do you have to treat me like this, Michael?
33:22
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just so, because there's a sweetness to the Tom Hayme character, like he was adopted by this family, and he committed himself to be part of this family, and to love this, this is his family.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And Sonny, his best friend, he's gone, and it's Michael, and it's just it hurts so much those moments.
33:45
[SPEAKER_00]: Listen, this is where you see so many because there's also a part of the conversation.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Remember the conversation.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He has a small role in the conversation as well.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So he is establishing himself very strongly on screen with these incredible film roles.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But he, it says here on 1977, he goes back to Broadway.
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[SPEAKER_00]: As I mentioned, here to lead David Mammott's American Buffalo after Coppola has called to evolve one of the four or five best actors in the world.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So even he knew like he had this hunger, this desire to come out in front, to lead some films now, he was tired of maybe playing second fiddle, being the number one number two guy as people described him and he wanted more and he receives a drama desk award nomination for outstanding actor and a play for his role there and that's what launches him now into the 1980s.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mentioned great Santini and then we get tender mercies, which is what he won the best
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[SPEAKER_00]: I have to admit this is a film that I have not seen and I need to correct that very seriously just as much as I haven't seen the great Santini either.
34:55
[SPEAKER_00]: So these are two holes in my filmography that I need to fill for Robert DeWolf in the 1980s team.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Have you seen either of these films of what are your thoughts on it?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I'm 50, 50.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like you, I have not some tender mercies either.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I was worried that, so, you know, if the weird macabre thing that we do is one and after passes away, we'll frequently do a live show like this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I always go, well, what couple of movies can I watch?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And tender merriorsies was on my list.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And the thing I ended up watching, it took up a lot of time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I watched something else I didn't get to tender mercies.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But I have seen great Santini.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And I tell you,
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[SPEAKER_01]: That is a performance.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it is like, I mean, I'm not saying that I like the great Santini exact, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: But holy shit does Robert Duval come in with 150% and just and he is scary and he is charismatic and he is even occasionally funny in a sick way and it is fucking brutal.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's my point.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It is so iconic, Steve, that even Austin Powers, Mike Myers uses it in a sequence of Austin Powers with Rob low when Rob low is playing the younger version of number two and he's bouncing the ball off Robert Lowe's robbers, they say, you're going to cry, you're going to score to few.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And of course, that's off of his battle with his son there, the great Santina, I've seen that scene before.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So that's how resonant that role is that even
36:24
[SPEAKER_00]: all these two decades later, Mike Myers is calling out to it.
36:29
[SPEAKER_00]: But the 1980s is interesting.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Tommy does chew confessions, Robert De Niro, not necessarily one of the best films they've ever done, pursuit of DB Cooper.
36:37
[SPEAKER_00]: That's also a fun little kind of guilty pleasure as well.
36:40
[SPEAKER_00]: But then there's a film here that you and I had fun talking about recently and that is the natural.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You play as a Max Mercy there.
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[SPEAKER_00]: In the natural, we talked about it recently, did the film and there is in that role and I think he's fantastic.
36:56
[SPEAKER_00]: So for all the fact that he wants to leave roles, he's still willing to go in and play these kind of smaller roles to uplift the film.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he delivers every time he walks out there in front of the camera.
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[SPEAKER_01]: What are my favorite performances from him in the natural?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And what makes it so magical to me is that, while I should hate him and he's aligned with the bad guys, I still kind of like him a little bit.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He still harms me a little bit.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And then line, I think you and I disagreed about it, which is where Redford asked him, hey, did you ever play the game?
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[SPEAKER_01]: And he says no, but I make it a hell of a lot more interesting.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And to me, it's always like, I bet he does make it a hell of a lot more interesting.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I bet he is a fun reporter to follow.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I bet it's little drawings that he does of baseball players and stuff are fun.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, he's fun, but he's part of the bad guys.
37:51
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, now he's, he's a, it's so funny.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Like, you know, the, the supporting characters in that movie are all 100% solid and he is.
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[SPEAKER_00]: up with Wilford Brimley top of the bunch, you know, it's fascinating because you're right, but he's not he's he's not Robert Proski, he's not Darren McGavin who are much more straightforward villains right and McGavin at times chilling as a villain throughout the film.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Max is more like he's a desperate sports writer who has finally found success by being essentially a handmaiden for this owner and
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, but there is a sense of love for the game, but he's cynical.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's been, yeah, he's cynical, but from all the experiences that he's seen.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So he has to tear down Robert Redford, uh, uh, a Roy Hobbs rider because he would represent hope.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's something he lost.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And if he remembers that, he then has to turn the, uh, the sports rider and Alice, and analytical critical thing on himself.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't think he's ready to do that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, but also the thing that gift about Robert Duval that I think comes through and some like the natural and other places is his usage of his voice.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You know, and I think this is something that not people forget about how how actors can really convey Emotion and power through their voice and character through their voice and you study his voice in the natural is very different than his voice in Apocalypse now or network or another places and he got he there's a much more quieter approach at times to max in the cynical and the little laugh of his Those little things that he does that add character and it's so interesting and essential to watch him do that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Um, and you compare him to another role.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if you remember this movie Steve.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't want to hear you saw this movie.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Steve.
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[SPEAKER_00]: We have nothing we've ever talked about this movie, but later in the 1980s because he has he doesn't have that many strong films in the 1980s right near the end of the 1980s.
39:43
[SPEAKER_00]: He's in a film called Colors with him in Sean Penn, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: One of the first kind of gang films before even the explosion of a gangster rap in the 1980s.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is in 1988 or 89.
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[SPEAKER_00]: This is, and that's the one directed by Dennis Hopper, right?
39:58
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, yes, with Chopped Ed.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I remember this was a big deal when this came out, because it was supposed to blue velvet where Dennis Hopper had that resurgence.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think it was four speed or maybe it's just, it's right around then.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And, and, you know, this was like an excited, and it's not a great movie.
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, it's like that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But, but, yes, I do remember it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I do remember it being a big deal, and to evolve is always good.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I liked it because this is where Duval is transitioning now into the veteran guiding the younger guy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He had his run in the 70s established himself he gets he starts out the 80s with some really strong performances to get nominations and win his Oscar, but then he gets kind of lost in these 80s and now he transition and it transitions into being the veteran guiding everybody in this in in colors because I said it's a very I'm going to say this.
40:53
[SPEAKER_00]: It's an attempt to do to talk about gang warfare that is happening in Los Angeles, but it is told we're kind of a racist perspective when you go back and look at it now.
41:03
[SPEAKER_00]: And then we see something like boys in the hood, which is a more accurate depiction of South Central, Minister society.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Those, I run those, and it's not a coincidence that those are directed by black filmmakers who have come out of those situations that they often have in the city.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Dennis Hopper not necessarily having
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[SPEAKER_00]: Duval's performance is damn good and what happens to him in the movie is resonant for how it affects Sean Penn's character by the end, you know, which I think is great.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But as I said, now he goes into this run of interesting films where he is like, you know, we see him in days of thunder.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Stay, where do you thoughts of him in days of thunder falling down the paper?
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[SPEAKER_00]: These are interesting roles where he is kind of like I said, he becomes the statesman, almost the other statesman here, leading the younger people throughout their situations.
41:53
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, it's what he thought.
41:54
[SPEAKER_01]: So if we ever discussed days of thunder, you and I, I think we talked about it.
41:58
[SPEAKER_01]: Maya, some shin about days of thunder is that you liked it much more than I do, probably probably.
42:04
[SPEAKER_01]: Because I'm not the biggest, I wasn't the hugeest top gun fans.
42:08
[SPEAKER_01]: So that when I went to go see days of thunder, I'm like, ah, you know, so I have not watched that movie since the 80s, I have seen the paper, I have seen the other ones you mentioned.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But none of those movies made a big impression on me at all.
42:23
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, no, no, no, it's all right.
42:25
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I mean, it's a fun film.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's not as good as Top Gun for God's 6.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I do enjoy, I do enjoy what Duval does here, man.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And I think he's essential to the movie's success.
42:34
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, Top Cruz is swaggering his out of Top Gun.
42:37
[SPEAKER_00]: We're gonna young Nicole Kimman.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's all fun.
42:40
[SPEAKER_00]: But there are moments that Robert Duval gets alone.
42:42
[SPEAKER_00]: And that is something that not a lot of these films did is to give the elder statesmen,
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[SPEAKER_00]: scenes where he's by himself having conversations.
42:52
[SPEAKER_00]: And those scenes when he's by himself, but that one scene when he's talking to the car, in essence kind of having this spiritual conversation with the chassis of a car, where he's telling the car like how we wants the car to take care of Tom Cruise's character, take care of cold trickle, take care, make sure he's okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You're going to get the job done.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's so interesting.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But of course, a master actor like that, you want to give him a monologue like this because he's going to knock it out of the park, and it's one of the best scenes in the movie.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Ironically, without Tom Cruise in it, because of the greatness of Robert De Ball, you know, and I think that's fantastic thing about him.
43:29
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, when we get into the 90s, as I said, what do you thoughts on some of these performances Steve falling down the paper, uh, something to talk about, sling blade phenomena, which is one of my favorite performances is ever delivered.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And then we'll get to one that I really or a couple that I really enjoy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Any thoughts on those films, sling blade as well, any thoughts on those?
43:50
[SPEAKER_01]: I've never seen sling-blade.
43:52
[SPEAKER_01]: Whoa, it's so funny.
43:54
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, we're going to hear it a lot.
43:55
[SPEAKER_01]: There are a bunch of these movies that I haven't seen.
43:58
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, when I was looking at the list, and this is pretty much, there's a certain era where my movie watching really slowed down.
44:06
[SPEAKER_01]: And there's certain movies that I've missed.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Plugging holes in your movie watching resume is like it's it's becoming important job I keep trying to work on it, but no, they're a bunch of haven't seen like the things like falling down I really I really liked but I haven't seen it in forever.
44:21
[SPEAKER_01]: I you know the paper he's he's totally good But I don't particularly love it's fine, you know the the paper goes in that category.
44:30
[SPEAKER_01]: That's Ron Howard right.
44:31
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, Ron Howard
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[SPEAKER_01]: it goes into the run-hard is an excellent craftsman and when he knocks it out of the park like Apollo 13 or beautiful mind or Cinderella Man, he knocks it out of the park.
44:40
[SPEAKER_01]: And otherwise he'll deliver a well-crafted movie and I think the paper kind of falls at more than that category for me, you know?
44:47
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
44:49
[SPEAKER_00]: You could argue what, spotlight the paper, the post, these are these kinds of
44:54
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
44:55
[SPEAKER_00]: Films that you can put into a pocket and then you decide which ones you resonates with you the most.
45:01
[SPEAKER_00]: I remember that's a Glen Close and Michael Keaton fighting on the floor of the paper.
45:05
[SPEAKER_00]: I remember that as a thing.
45:08
[SPEAKER_00]: But what are the films that I want to highlight from the 90s that I really love Steve and I can't believe it's been 30 years since I've seen this movie.
45:15
[SPEAKER_00]: It's kind of crazy to me is a family thing.
45:18
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if you remember this movie.
45:19
[SPEAKER_00]: I have seen it.
45:20
[SPEAKER_00]: This is the long list of ones I haven't seen on the film.
45:23
[SPEAKER_00]: This is a very touching film.
45:25
[SPEAKER_00]: One of those kind of smaller films that you've all was doing in the 90s.
45:28
[SPEAKER_00]: And basically, the film is Robert DeVol and James or Jones are brothers, and they were born to a white father and black mother, and they were separated at birth.
45:39
[SPEAKER_00]: and they discover through some, so through the death, I think, of the mother that they are brothers, and this is essentially a film about black culture, white culture, finding a way to come together and unify rather than separate.
45:56
[SPEAKER_00]: Because James Orgones' family's black family doesn't trust him as a white man.
46:01
[SPEAKER_00]: Robert DuVolz's white family doesn't trust James Orgones as a black man.
46:04
[SPEAKER_00]: And they have to find their way back to, they have to find their way to each other through the prejudices of their own families and find the common ground.
46:12
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's the great Irma P. Hall who plays the aunt of both of them, that kind of bridges the gap between them.
46:20
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think it's a really well done.
46:21
[SPEAKER_00]: And as someone who grew up in the south, like to me, there's a lot of stuff that I gravitated to in this movie that felt very realistic and beautiful in performances.
46:29
[SPEAKER_00]: And DeVal has, like I cry twice in that movie with some of the interactions DeVal has,
46:34
[SPEAKER_00]: in that film.
46:35
[SPEAKER_00]: It's great stuff.
46:36
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, it's on the going on my list.
46:38
[SPEAKER_01]: The one list of Robert Wall that I have to take check out.
46:42
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
46:43
[SPEAKER_00]: Another one that's really great from the 90s, deep impact when I great in terms of the film, but his performance.
46:48
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, people talked about it after he passed away.
46:50
[SPEAKER_00]: His scene with Ron Eldard, where he is reading,
46:53
[SPEAKER_00]: The novel to him there as Eldard is blind, and it's near the end of the movie.
46:59
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's incredible.
47:00
[SPEAKER_00]: That's an incredible one as well.
47:02
[SPEAKER_00]: And this is one that I don't know if Steve you've seen this one.
47:04
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if we've talked about this, but I know this is probably maybe top three favorite films that Robert DuVall has ever done as a lead.
47:13
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's the apostle.
47:15
[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, and this is a time when Robert Devol is like kind of, you know, struggling a little bit, he, I think he funds this film or finds the funding for this film and makes this film and it's an incredible exploration of forgiveness and uh, navigate a god and religion and.
47:34
[SPEAKER_00]: really attoning for the sins that you've done in the past and going through your journey of redemption.
47:40
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a phenomenal movie.
47:42
[SPEAKER_00]: Have you had a chance to ever see this one?
47:44
[SPEAKER_01]: I, you finally got into another one that I've seen.
47:46
[SPEAKER_01]: I think his performance is great.
47:48
[SPEAKER_01]: And I think this to me, it like it delivers on the promise of, you know, you said that he did American Buffalo.
47:55
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, to prove that he could have these other roles.
47:58
[SPEAKER_01]: And they didn't really kind of mean we talked about this whole career we've been talking about through the 80s and
48:04
[SPEAKER_01]: him coming in and playing a supporting role in doing a fantastic job, but she doesn't everything.
48:09
[SPEAKER_01]: But this is a movie that's his and it definitely makes you go, oh, there were there were more movies in this guy in this realm.
48:16
[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, it's in an area where you want to have some examination of this kind of a character, you know?
48:22
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, he wrote it, he directed it.
48:25
[SPEAKER_00]: So this is to me this and started it and you know, we make a big day of abroad are doing this kind of stuff.
48:31
[SPEAKER_00]: But I think there's something really great and this was out of the time where we're still getting like the independent film movement and this kind of winning that independent film movement kind of category and I think this is again having grown up in the south.
48:43
[SPEAKER_00]: There's a lot of things here in this movie that just resonate for my own experiences.
48:48
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think, test you when you watch this movie, how much you want to forgive this guy or want redemption for this guy, because he does still have those angry impulses.
48:58
[SPEAKER_00]: And the things he did are so brutal that you're kind of really have a struggle with yourself.
49:03
[SPEAKER_00]: And I don't think you could get away with a movie like this if Duval didn't have that innate charm to make you want to even consider forgiving him and going through the redemption arc
49:16
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, there's a magic in plain these kind of fraught characters and keeping you in the movie.
49:21
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, yeah, not everyone's hard to do that.
49:24
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, great.
49:25
[SPEAKER_00]: I think another film, the film, the 90s that I really love and I got a chance to say to John Trevolta how much I love this movie is Phenomenon.
49:31
[SPEAKER_00]: I think he's so tender and beautiful in Phenomenon and how he's the one person in the town aside from forced Whittaker.
49:38
[SPEAKER_00]: who believes what Travolta is going through, his characters go through in the movie, and defensive.
49:42
[SPEAKER_00]: Against the, how can I say this and say this and be fair, but the fear, the small mindedness of the town in dealing with what's happening with Travolta's characters, he achieves this level of intelligence never seen before and how it upsets the town.
50:01
[SPEAKER_00]: That's such a wonderful job and has a scene where he calls out the town at a bar after throwing glass at a window to get their attention and you know put cousin to the carpet and there's something really powerful in that that devolved delivers.
50:15
[SPEAKER_00]: Because he's the doctor who essentially birthed Jerval to like was there to bring him to out of the room and so he's heartbroken to say how the town is turned on someone like George we cares about so deep.
50:26
[SPEAKER_01]: So several things about this.
50:28
[SPEAKER_01]: So first of all, and I'm hoping to infect everyone that's listening or watching right now with this problem, which is anytime someone would mention the movie phenomenon, or say the word phenomenon to me or my ex, we would immediately go into Manumana from the from the mouth.
50:45
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, sure.
50:46
[SPEAKER_01]: He was to go phenomenon.
50:47
[SPEAKER_01]: Dude, dude, dude, dude, phenomenon.
50:49
[SPEAKER_01]: Dude, dude, dude, dude.
50:51
[SPEAKER_01]: So now hopefully everyone listening, every time they hear that word or that movie, we'll do the same thing.
50:57
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you're going to maybe think this is shocking or crazy.
51:00
[SPEAKER_01]: But phenomenon might be my favorite genre of old movie.
51:04
[SPEAKER_00]: I love this.
51:05
[SPEAKER_00]: I love this.
51:06
[SPEAKER_00]: I've never known if I've never felt like maybe I could bring this up, you know, I would love to do this movie as kind of a kid.
51:14
[SPEAKER_00]: I know it's so good.
51:16
[SPEAKER_00]: Nobody talks about it.
51:17
[SPEAKER_00]: And I tell you this, when I said this to Dr. Volta to his face at a critic's choice awards ceremony, he was so moved.
51:25
[SPEAKER_00]: He grabbed my forearm and he said, thank you for saying that about that moving.
51:29
[SPEAKER_00]: Only anybody comes up and talks to me about that when I put all of my heart and soul to know.
51:33
[SPEAKER_00]: He said that to me.
51:33
[SPEAKER_00]: And I was like, brother, it's an amazing performance.
51:36
[SPEAKER_00]: And I might agree with you, Steve.
51:38
[SPEAKER_00]: I might agree with you.
51:40
[SPEAKER_00]: Wow.
51:40
[SPEAKER_00]: That's my favorite genre of all to performance.
51:43
[SPEAKER_00]: Because I go back and watch that movie.
51:45
[SPEAKER_00]: Dude, I cried through that movie.
51:46
[SPEAKER_00]: It's so touching.
51:47
[SPEAKER_01]: It's one that pops up like on social media or something.
51:52
[SPEAKER_01]: They'll be a clip like it's the one where he's with Brent Spiner.
51:55
[SPEAKER_01]: And he says name every animal starting with A or whatever.
51:59
[SPEAKER_01]: I worked on that movie when I had the DVD quality control drops.
52:02
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, it was one where I watched it a lot.
52:05
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's one of the one where it's like, oh, yeah, I'll watch Phenomenon again.
52:07
[SPEAKER_01]: Because it's so it's really in his performance is really self-contained travultas and very sweet.
52:14
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it's very sweet and it connects a lot to, you know, the short story flowers for Al Jonon, which is the first thing I read.
52:21
[SPEAKER_01]: One of the first things I read to make me cry, you know, and so it's it's it's it's it's really good.
52:26
[SPEAKER_01]: I like it.
52:27
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
52:27
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I agree.
52:29
[SPEAKER_00]: I agree.
52:30
[SPEAKER_00]: Now we get into the 2000s.
52:31
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know where we want to go with this stuff.
52:33
[SPEAKER_00]: Steve, he's in gone in 60 seconds.
52:36
[SPEAKER_00]: The six day John Q.
52:38
[SPEAKER_00]: One of my favorite westerns ever, which we've talked about.
52:41
[SPEAKER_00]: Hopefully, one day we'll do on the show.
52:43
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, do we do it on the show?
52:44
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't remember, but open range.
52:45
[SPEAKER_01]: No, we haven't done on the show.
52:47
[SPEAKER_00]: Great.
52:47
[SPEAKER_01]: Only.
52:47
[SPEAKER_00]: Bro, I would love, if we do this, I would love to lead it.
52:51
[SPEAKER_00]: This is one of my favorite Westerns bar none of the most recent 25 years.
52:57
[SPEAKER_00]: And he is great in here.
52:58
[SPEAKER_00]: But once again, kind of be in this council for Kevin Costner who's playing a much more brutal character with issues from his past and devolves a guy who is navigating him through all of this stuff that's going on until their confrontation with Michael Gambon.
53:13
[SPEAKER_00]: And he's so great in this movie.
53:17
[SPEAKER_00]: Westerns that often, but we I'm so sorry.
53:20
[SPEAKER_00]: I haven't mentioned this for some of you who are massive fans of him, but his work in Lonesome Duff is amazing.
53:25
[SPEAKER_00]: People think this is one of the greatest TV series ever.
53:28
[SPEAKER_00]: Speaking of Westerns, Lonesome Duff and I sorry to have gone past it without mentioning it when we were in the 80s there.
53:34
[SPEAKER_00]: So your thoughts on him as we go into these 2000s and maybe any if you've seen Lonesome Duff any thoughts on that as well.
53:40
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, as we've mentioned many times, there are certain times where you and I in our past may or may not have lied about having seen something.
53:49
[SPEAKER_01]: I have tried to be extremely honest on this show so far about saying when I haven't seen something, I don't know that any recent time I had lied about not seeing Loneson Dove, but with someone brought up Loneson Dove, I might have said, like so it's like, oh, Loneson does so great.
54:04
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm out of gone.
54:05
[SPEAKER_01]: or oh, won't subdub, but not really confirmed the fact that I had never seen it.
54:11
[SPEAKER_01]: I had seen it and I knew and I hope a bunch of people told me how great it was and I didn't see it.
54:16
[SPEAKER_01]: And then I ended up listening to the book.
54:18
[SPEAKER_01]: So I listened to the book because it probably showed up on a sale on audible or something like that and that book is really fucking depressing.
54:26
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I didn't really love it.
54:28
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, it was one of those where like I appreciated.
54:30
[SPEAKER_01]: This is a very well written book.
54:32
[SPEAKER_01]: But I was so bummed through the whole thing.
54:36
[SPEAKER_01]: And so I decided when Mr. Duval passed away that I was going to watch Loan some dubs.
54:41
[SPEAKER_01]: So that's why I didn't watch tender mercies.
54:44
[SPEAKER_01]: I watched because it's six hours.
54:46
[SPEAKER_01]: So I watched all of Loan some dubs in the last three days.
54:49
[SPEAKER_01]: Wow, Holy shit is so fucking good.
54:51
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh my god, I can't believe how good it is.
54:54
[SPEAKER_01]: It is because what's so different.
54:56
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like watching.
54:57
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like a post-western western.
54:59
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
54:59
[SPEAKER_01]: It is so human.
55:01
[SPEAKER_01]: It is very dark.
55:03
[SPEAKER_01]: And the character that he plays of Gus is the most
55:09
[SPEAKER_01]: beautiful, positive character who's also a badass that you could possibly imagine.
55:16
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, what he does, and I must have cried seven times in the course of Lonesome dove.
55:22
[SPEAKER_01]: It's so good.
55:23
[SPEAKER_01]: And the cast is fucking insane.
55:25
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I knew was him and Tommy Lee Jones, right?
55:28
[SPEAKER_01]: Didn't know that there was a young Diane Lane, a young Ricky Schroeder,
55:31
[SPEAKER_01]: TV, swanie, there's, I say Steve is semi is in it like there's just Angelica Houston is in it like Chris Cooper a young Chris Cooper is in it like in the cast is ridiculous and it is.
55:47
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just saying that I've just watched it.
55:49
[SPEAKER_01]: So this is just my first, but I'm like, this might be the best mini series ever made.
55:54
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
55:55
[SPEAKER_01]: Wow.
55:56
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, it's really good.
55:57
[SPEAKER_01]: So it's just my first glow of having your thought, but it's really, really good.
56:02
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I'm going to make a turn here because I think this is a great opportunity to move into the TV stuff here for him because I've been remissed not mentioned too much of the TV stuff and he certainly has found a lot of success on TV as well and he as you mentioned on some stuff that's an iconic series I still have never seen it now that you tell him you loved it in six hours I'm going to find my way to see this thing really good.
56:24
[SPEAKER_01]: Is it on anything that you are like a streamers or is it your buy it's on peacock it is the fucking worst They they put in commercials just random like someone is like someone's like yeah, you know I got to tell you something and then we go to a commercial for Seattle or something and then they come back And they tell I mean it's like they it's like they randomly just put spot in our tonic commercials Well, that sucked when it is three on peacock
56:48
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, the thing is Steve, the fact that it worked for you still even with those commercials tells you how great that series is then right for sure.
56:54
[SPEAKER_00]: It's really good.
56:56
[SPEAKER_00]: He want to golden grow and receive the naming nomination for his portrayal of Soviet premier Joseph Stalin in the 1992 TV film Stalin.
57:03
[SPEAKER_00]: I've never seen that.
57:04
[SPEAKER_00]: Now I've never even heard of it.
57:06
[SPEAKER_00]: He earned another Emmy nomination in 1977 for portraying Adolf Ikeman in the man who captured Ikeman.
57:13
[SPEAKER_00]: And in 2006, he won an Emmy for his performance as Prentice Print Ritter in the AMC many series revisionist western broken trail.
57:21
[SPEAKER_00]: That's another one now, I need to add Western's wise to my collection here to see.
57:26
[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, any of the TV stuff aside loans, besides those stuff that you've seen?
57:30
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
57:30
[SPEAKER_00]: No, I have not.
57:32
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, same, same.
57:34
[SPEAKER_00]: I have to remedy that myself.
57:37
[SPEAKER_00]: So we go into the 2000s, as I said, some interesting films here, we own the Knights, which a lot of people really love.
57:44
[SPEAKER_00]: Four Christmas's, one of my quietly favorite guilty pleasures at Christmas, to watch, he plays what John Favreau and Tim McGraw, and I think Vince Vaughn's Dad, which is really funny.
57:56
[SPEAKER_00]: The road that really talking about bleak.
58:02
[SPEAKER_00]: That's the word.
58:03
[SPEAKER_00]: And he's damn good in that as the old man in that and crazy heart, which I totally forgot he was in crazy heart and watched some scenes from him on YouTube for a pair for a conversation.
58:15
[SPEAKER_00]: Then he shows up as a gunnery sergeant in Jack Reacher and I remember him in the judge.
58:19
[SPEAKER_00]: He is with Robert Downey Jr.
58:21
[SPEAKER_00]: He is Robert Downey Jr's dad.
58:23
[SPEAKER_00]: This is one of those Robert Downey Jr films right out of Marvel.
58:26
[SPEAKER_00]: that didn't quite do so well like box office wise, but he got nominated for best supporting actor in that movie.
58:32
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it was his last nomination.
58:34
[SPEAKER_00]: And then we get the things like wild horses, widows, 12 mighty orphans, which is a timepiece film, and then at the end, and hustle with Adam Sandler, and then pale blue eyes.
58:45
[SPEAKER_00]: So two Netflix movies to wrap up his career there that you guys can catch on Netflix as well.
58:53
[SPEAKER_00]: So
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[SPEAKER_00]: Your thoughts on his work through the 2000s into the 2010s and 20s, is anything you want to say here that you've seen?
59:00
[SPEAKER_01]: This is where I feel like a bad host of the cinephiles because most of those I haven't seen.
59:04
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, like it just we get into the, I haven't to the what again, this was my list of movies I was going to try to get to the judge's another one.
59:11
[SPEAKER_01]: The judge I know is supposed to be great.
59:13
[SPEAKER_01]: From everything I've heard, it sounds like this was kind of his last great performance, but I haven't seen it and I can't compare it to the other things I haven't seen.
59:23
[SPEAKER_00]: You also did a quiet, quiet film that I liked.
59:26
[SPEAKER_00]: I know didn't get the best reviews, but a night and old Mexico, and this was in 2013.
59:31
[SPEAKER_00]: And I just randomly saw that one day on one of the streaming channels and put it on.
59:36
[SPEAKER_00]: And I kind of enjoyed it.
59:37
[SPEAKER_00]: It's from a Latino director, and he is a devolved plays this guy who is financially strapped, but a proud senior citizen with his estranged grandson.
59:48
[SPEAKER_00]: They find themselves targeted by drug dealers in search of a missing money bag.
59:52
[SPEAKER_00]: I kind of liked it for what it was.
59:54
[SPEAKER_00]: And I thought he was damn good in it, bringing his kind of like Western energy that he's always had to this role.
1:00:01
[SPEAKER_00]: So one of the kind of last few films I saw of his, because I have not seen widows, and I never saw Hustle, and I never saw the pale blue eye.
1:00:09
[SPEAKER_00]: So I didn't see, as like you, I didn't see these last few films, the judge, and a night no Mexico, probably the last two films I saw that he was in.
1:00:17
[SPEAKER_00]: So I do need to remedy that.
1:00:19
[SPEAKER_00]: at some point.
1:00:20
[SPEAKER_00]: So, um, but yeah, I mean, this is when you go through, uh, uh, just to add a little more to him, Steve, as well.
1:00:26
[SPEAKER_00]: In 2005, Duval was awarded a National Medal of Arts by President George W. Bush there.
1:00:33
[SPEAKER_00]: As I mentioned, he was nominated for a Golden Globe, a Screen Actor Guild, and all of that for the judge.
1:00:38
[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, in 2015, he, at age 84, he became the oldest actor ever nominated for a Academy Award for Best Supporting Actor
1:00:49
[SPEAKER_00]: And so, and these are the things where we kind of wrap up his performances, his accolades, and his work.
1:00:56
[SPEAKER_00]: So, anything more you want to say about him that we haven't touched on or haven't highlighted or haven't explored here before, we get to some of the questions from our viewers.
1:01:06
[SPEAKER_01]: I think just that, um, it's, I mean, it's obviously a tragedy that he's passed away, but what it has done is giving me a kick in the ass to watch alone some dove.
1:01:17
[SPEAKER_01]: And now I have tender burses in the judge and several other here is on this list that I'm like, I really should give this guy honor him with the respect that he deserves, you know?
1:01:25
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I agree.
1:01:27
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I just think, you know, he's, he's just a fantastic actor in so many ways and didn't necessarily do like a hundred and seventy films.
1:01:35
[SPEAKER_00]: You didn't catch him doing like De Niro and Pacino have reduced themselves to here at the tail end of their careers really dumb comedies or bad like he's tried.
1:01:42
[SPEAKER_00]: He always that kind of picked stuff out that was interesting to watch the films we've not had been great, but he certainly was and I think that's a positive overall when you look at an actor like this.
1:01:51
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, well, let's get into some question, Steve, from our listeners, Carlton Rudd, what's up Carlton?
1:01:56
[SPEAKER_00]: He says London calling, wanted to honor Robert Duval, direct descendant of Robert E. Lee and former U.S. post-a worker to one of America's greatest actors.
1:02:06
[SPEAKER_00]: Carlton is absolutely right.
1:02:07
[SPEAKER_00]: He worked in the post office.
1:02:09
[SPEAKER_00]: Before he became that a successful actor.
1:02:11
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, you know, you got to do what you got to do.
1:02:14
[SPEAKER_01]: And he's a descendant of Robert E. Lee and played Robert E. Lee because he's in gods and generals.
1:02:19
[SPEAKER_01]: That's fascinating.
1:02:21
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, 100%.
1:02:22
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, he did.
1:02:23
[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you, Carlton.
1:02:24
[SPEAKER_00]: Much love, brother.
1:02:26
[SPEAKER_00]: K. J.
1:02:26
[SPEAKER_00]: 7457.
1:02:27
[SPEAKER_00]: This is my favorite to evolve performances in the apostle.
1:02:30
[SPEAKER_00]: What do you think of that film?
1:02:31
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we talked about it.
1:02:33
[SPEAKER_00]: I agree.
1:02:34
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
1:02:35
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
1:02:35
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if it's, I don't know if it's my favorite, but it is definitely a fantastic performance.
1:02:42
[SPEAKER_00]: I would put it in the top three.
1:02:43
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, my favorite performance is because it is so raw, it's so raw.
1:02:48
[SPEAKER_00]: And that scene he has with Billy Bob, when he breaks Billy Bob down and Billy Bob just is crying in his arms because his anger and rage, he's broken through his anger and rage.
1:02:58
[SPEAKER_00]: As someone who watched that in my mid-20s, who had my own anger and rage going on at that time, that scene always devastated.
1:03:06
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's kind of, it's kind of interesting to watch it now as an older man when I watched that scene the other day and I was like, man, it's a whole other, I'm like, I'm devolving that, right?
1:03:14
[SPEAKER_00]: Whereas in when I was younger, I was Billy Bob.
1:03:16
[SPEAKER_00]: And so it's just a fact.
1:03:19
[SPEAKER_00]: While the OFC says, I watched Tinder mercies for the first time after he passed, he is fantastic.
1:03:25
[SPEAKER_00]: When the film is over, when the film is over flat, I love, I don't know what that means while he's sorry.
1:03:31
[SPEAKER_00]: Watch Tinder mercies for the first time after he passed, he is fantastic when the film is over flat.
1:03:35
[SPEAKER_00]: I love him in the judge and kicking and screaming.
1:03:37
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, kicking and screaming, right?
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[UNKNOWN]: Right.
1:03:42
[SPEAKER_00]: I love that, yeah.
1:03:44
[SPEAKER_00]: KJL says what do you think it involves performance in the great Santini this was a truly complex performance.
1:03:49
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I think Steve can take this.
1:03:50
[SPEAKER_00]: I've never seen it so
1:03:52
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, he's like a sweet, cuddly teddy bear most of the time very open and emotionally sensitive to other people's needs.
1:04:01
[SPEAKER_01]: No, it's a it's a wrecking ball.
1:04:02
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, it's it's funny.
1:04:04
[SPEAKER_01]: We were obviously in the middle of a few good men.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If you good men is a film in which there is a standard and a code for a marine.
1:04:12
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
1:04:13
[SPEAKER_01]: And that if and that code must be met and if you have to.
1:04:17
[SPEAKER_01]: bully and beat someone into achieving, into reaching that level, into hitting that standard, then that's what's necessary.
1:04:25
[SPEAKER_01]: And that is what the Great Santine is.
1:04:27
[SPEAKER_01]: He is very, very clear on what he expects from people, and he is going to get it, you know.
1:04:35
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I mean, the film came out in 1979 and it feels very much like a 70's film and you know the 70's films were about exposing the ugly underbelly of the systems in our society.
1:04:46
[SPEAKER_00]: And I would argue as much as we look at apocalypse now or see some of those anti war films.
1:04:52
[SPEAKER_00]: There were children who were suffering at the hands of these military guys, and it was not shown that much on screen.
1:05:00
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think the great Santini from the clips that I've seen shows what it was like for a lot of kids to grow up under the rule of a military person, especially someone who indulged their hard-edge kind of discipline on their kids.
1:05:15
[SPEAKER_00]: That's something I certainly saw from people I grew up with in Virginia who had military parents.
1:05:20
[SPEAKER_00]: Some of the ways that they would be treated by their family shocked the shit out of me.
1:05:25
[SPEAKER_00]: I remember one time the kid's name is Glenn.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He since passed on.
1:05:30
[SPEAKER_00]: I was in high school with him.
1:05:31
[SPEAKER_00]: We were all at a
1:05:37
[SPEAKER_00]: his dad was a military guy, scary guy, and his son stepped out of line in some way in a public way, and his dad raced across the room, grabbed him in front of everybody, took off his boot,
1:05:52
[SPEAKER_00]: beat him with his boot to make him apologize.
1:05:55
[SPEAKER_00]: I will remember that till the day I'm dead because Glenn was a big dude and to see him reduce to crying in his father's arms who's holding it and beating him because he embarrassed his father because his father was all about discipline and code and respect because he Glenn had smarted back to a teacher.
1:06:13
[SPEAKER_00]: It was a mind-blowing thing to witness, you know, and so
1:06:18
[SPEAKER_00]: I had quite a few friends who dealt with that kind of harsh treatment from their military fathers.
1:06:23
[SPEAKER_00]: She'd like that.
1:06:24
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I'm freaky out, man.
1:06:25
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Who will?
1:06:26
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
1:06:28
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't have never trusted boots since.
1:06:30
[SPEAKER_00]: Can't just Steve.
1:06:32
[SPEAKER_00]: What was the biggest challenge that you found when directing a film for the first time?
1:06:35
[SPEAKER_01]: The biggest challenge.
1:06:36
[SPEAKER_01]: Oh.
1:06:37
[SPEAKER_01]: Uh, this is okay.
1:06:38
[SPEAKER_01]: Not Robert Duval related.
1:06:41
[SPEAKER_01]: Here's what I'll say, so I came up, John, like you in theater and in theater, you had, and that's how I learned to work, you know, first I was an actor and acted in plays from, you know, grammar school junior high high school college, then I started directing plays and what you learned in theater is that you have this thing called a rehearsal process.
1:06:58
[SPEAKER_01]: And so the way I was taught as a director, particularly when I started working on professional plays as a stage manager.
1:07:05
[SPEAKER_01]: My mentor, you know, I went up to him one day and I, because he said, he knew I wanted to be a director, and he said, anytime you have a thought, after we'll meet after every single rehearsal, and you can tell me your thoughts or the rehearsal is great.
1:07:17
[SPEAKER_01]: So after rehearsal, I said, oh, there's this moment we were doing true West, fantastic.
1:07:21
[SPEAKER_01]: And I said there's this moment where Austin is doing this and I think the moment's really about this and he said you're absolutely right you're 100% right, but I am not going to tell that actor this yet because I want the actor to discover it on their own and I went oh and that's what the big directing things is like you want to lead the actor to the place you don't want to just tell them and and and so if they find it on their own they own it it's so much better and so that was my philosophy of directing and then I show up on a film set for the first time.
1:07:51
[SPEAKER_01]: where the camera is rolling now.
1:07:54
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I can't wait for an actor to discover something.
1:07:57
[SPEAKER_01]: Is that the realization of like, because rehearsal is a process of slowly for a play, it's slowly getting it to the place where it's right.
1:08:06
[SPEAKER_01]: And then you go to blocking rehearsals, then you do run throughs, then you do tech rehearsals, and you do costumes, you bring in the props, and then you do dress rehearsal, and then you do preview and now you're up to speed.
1:08:17
[SPEAKER_01]: In a movie, you're on the set, and you're shooting, and this is it, and that was the hardest thing for me was to go like, oh, film is permanent.
1:08:28
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I can't ever adjust this again.
1:08:30
[SPEAKER_01]: If the actor doesn't understand this right now, or if I don't have the camera move perfect right now, or if I don't, if then it will never be correct.
1:08:39
[SPEAKER_01]: That was the hardest lesson going from
1:08:46
[SPEAKER_00]: uh... fix it's water uh... coming here so this is favorite of all is pivotal performances network him yelling at holding is amazing other than but she known olden there was no one better at yelling on screen i i i i'm with it i'm with it with so funny though is both but she know and old men have become their means they've become a shay
1:09:09
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I don't know that Duval has quite so much like Pacino, like later career Pacino, he's always gonna do that thing, you know, whatever it is.
1:09:18
[SPEAKER_01]: But Duval, yeah, Duval yelling, as I quoted him earlier, I love it.
1:09:23
[SPEAKER_00]: Duval yells in an oval way, and it's like an explain that.
1:09:27
[SPEAKER_00]: It's like, oh, it's that, it's the oval.
1:09:31
[SPEAKER_00]: It does this oval thing.
1:09:33
[SPEAKER_00]: Totally.
1:09:33
[SPEAKER_00]: It knows his, the chinos is at you and from a flat line.
1:09:36
[SPEAKER_00]: Ah, you know, you know, if all this is always in a round oval kind of way, which I really appreciate is at the top of his nasal.
1:09:44
[SPEAKER_00]: KJ-7457 is regarding acting.
1:09:47
[SPEAKER_00]: Can you think of an actress performance that was so amazing that they made a mediocre mediocre film into a great film?
1:09:54
[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, Daniel DeLuis and Lincoln.
1:09:57
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that film is mediocre as fuck from Spielberg, but Daniel DeLuis is transcendent in that film.
1:10:03
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I've said this before and everyone's many people are going to get mad at me for it, but it's Robert Downey Jr and Iron Man.
1:10:10
[SPEAKER_01]: I think you're meant when you think about the movie itself and what's actually going on, it's okay.
1:10:16
[SPEAKER_01]: And Robert Downey Jr gives an A plus cares charisma off the charts performance.
1:10:23
[SPEAKER_01]: That's what I think said movie.
1:10:26
[SPEAKER_00]: I might have to say, because I'm thinking of a female actress who did this, and I might have to say Julia Roberts in Brock of it.
1:10:32
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think Brock of it is that strong of a movie, she is incredible in that movie, and a lot of the scenes with her in that movie are the reason why that movie is so good.
1:10:41
[SPEAKER_00]: I can see that.
1:10:42
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's kind of how I look at it when I look at Brock, because that's what I run back to, and enjoy that often, but when I see her, I just go, yeah, that's the reason that film had as much success as it did, you know?
1:10:55
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't think this is quite fair.
1:10:56
[SPEAKER_01]: I think there are many things in this film that are cool, but I will say that part of the reason that there are four more of them is because of this guy's performance, and that's Johnny Depp and Pirates of the Caribbean.
1:11:08
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, good call.
1:11:10
[SPEAKER_00]: Wow, good call.
1:11:11
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that's good.
1:11:12
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I mean, take this as appropriate because to evolve, no matter what quality of the film it was, him being in it kind of elevated those sure elevated the performances because he always deliver for sure.
1:11:22
[SPEAKER_00]: Yep.
1:11:24
[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you, KJ.
1:11:25
[SPEAKER_00]: Great question, bro.
1:11:26
[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, Wayne, what's up Wayne Edwards?
1:11:28
[SPEAKER_00]: Good to see ya.
1:11:29
[SPEAKER_00]: Wayne says good morning.
1:11:30
[SPEAKER_00]: Good afternoon fellas.
1:11:32
[SPEAKER_00]: My favorite to evolve role is kill gore in apocalypse now.
1:11:35
[SPEAKER_00]: I remember seeing redo and the final cut in the theaters and both times the character exit the films huge applause from the audience.
1:11:44
[SPEAKER_00]: Amazing.
1:11:45
[SPEAKER_01]: It must be, first of all, thank you very much for your question and your support.
1:11:52
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't know if you can know that someone's coming in to deliver an iconic performance, but it is an iconic, it's like Anthony Hopkins and Science at the Lambs.
1:12:02
[SPEAKER_01]: Not on screen very much steals every single second you cannot take your eyes off him.
1:12:07
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
1:12:08
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
1:12:09
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I think that's amazing.
1:12:11
[SPEAKER_00]: I've never been in a theater where they've clapped for Robert Duval, but I would not fault them at all for Robert Duval coming in and out of that and getting an applause for the audience for sure.
1:12:21
[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, thank you Wayne, uh, Alan Smithy says, and this might be our last one for now.
1:12:25
[SPEAKER_00]: If you guys want to keep us on, you can send in more, uh, more super chance of stream lives.
1:12:29
[SPEAKER_00]: But this is our last one for now.
1:12:31
[SPEAKER_00]: Alan Smithy, what's up Smithy says, don't forget Duval's Earthshattering performance in invasion of the body snatchers.
1:12:37
[SPEAKER_00]: Was he a pod person or just a creepy looking priest?
1:12:41
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, why not both?
1:12:44
[SPEAKER_01]: I haven't seen that movie.
1:12:45
[SPEAKER_01]: I haven't seen that movie since film school.
1:12:47
[SPEAKER_01]: It freaks me out, honestly.
1:12:49
[SPEAKER_00]: This will never him in that movie.
1:12:51
[SPEAKER_00]: That's how long ago has been since I've seen it.
1:12:53
[SPEAKER_00]: Go ahead.
1:12:54
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, what's so focused?
1:12:56
[SPEAKER_01]: Have you seen the original body snatchers?
1:12:59
[SPEAKER_01]: No.
1:13:00
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
1:13:01
[SPEAKER_01]: So that one is like the 50s body snatchers movie.
1:13:04
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's a 50s horror movie.
1:13:06
[SPEAKER_01]: The 78 body snatcher is really creepy.
1:13:10
[SPEAKER_01]: Um, it is not I don't remember it very well.
1:13:13
[SPEAKER_01]: I saw it.
1:13:14
[SPEAKER_01]: I saw it in film school in class on one of those mornings after an all nighter, but it And particularly, I'm sure you've had this where there times where you can watch a scary movie and be a tough guy.
1:13:26
[SPEAKER_01]: And there times where emotionally for whatever reason that day, you were fragile.
1:13:31
[SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, I saw this movie freaked me out.
1:13:33
[SPEAKER_01]: I never watched it again.
1:13:36
[SPEAKER_00]: uh, good point.
1:13:37
[SPEAKER_00]: I, yeah, because I would like to see the iconic rock, uh, Donald Sutherland point and scream.
1:13:43
[SPEAKER_00]: I'd like to see that in context rather than just a meme or a gift.
1:13:47
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
1:13:47
[SPEAKER_00]: I have throughout my life.
1:13:49
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, this wasn't a superchap, but uh, despite leaders into a thing we're going to announce here on on the show, Steve, Brummel Bass says, is there any duval movie coming from you guys?
1:13:59
[SPEAKER_00]: What we do have plans?
1:14:00
[SPEAKER_00]: What are our plans?
1:14:01
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, it's, it's, it's a lot going on right now.
1:14:03
[SPEAKER_01]: So, yes.
1:14:04
[SPEAKER_01]: We are right in the middle of the season of Reiner and we're actually, we just before we got on the mic for the show, we recorded most of part two of a few good Ben.
1:14:14
[SPEAKER_01]: We got stand by me coming.
1:14:17
[SPEAKER_01]: We have we're also planning on re releasing the right Rob Reiner movies.
1:14:22
[SPEAKER_01]: that we have done in the past, which are spinal tap, misery, and the princess bride.
1:14:27
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
1:14:28
[SPEAKER_01]: So we've got those things coming out.
1:14:29
[SPEAKER_01]: And we talked about whether or not we wanted to re-release the Robert Duval movies we've done, which has been mentioned here, or network, the natural, the godfather movies, and a apocalypse now, obviously.
1:14:41
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
1:14:41
[SPEAKER_01]: The thing about those is, is that he is a supporting character, and so
1:14:47
[SPEAKER_01]: If that ball put it this way and John, I think you agree, if there is an outpouring of support of re releasing those films, we will we can do it, but it means that we're re releasing those the Rob Riner movies, the reviews of all the Oscar movies leading up to our Oscar, so it's a lot of stuff happening now.
1:15:04
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'd be me or more curious if there is a Robert Duval movie.
1:15:10
[SPEAKER_01]: that we haven't done, that maybe at some point later in the year, we can do a new movie of Robert DuValls, a tribute for him, maybe even one of the ones that John and I haven't seen, like tender mercies or say.
1:15:19
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, tender mercies.
1:15:21
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah.
1:15:21
[SPEAKER_00]: That would be or phenomenon, right?
1:15:23
[SPEAKER_00]: What for now?
1:15:24
[SPEAKER_01]: You do, you do, you do, you do.
1:15:25
[SPEAKER_01]: See, I have, yeah.
1:15:27
[SPEAKER_01]: see how it works now.
1:15:28
[SPEAKER_00]: I do.
1:15:28
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm not going to do it.
1:15:30
[SPEAKER_00]: But I see how it works.
1:15:31
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, it's an interesting phenomenon.
1:15:32
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, boy, here he goes.
1:15:36
[SPEAKER_00]: But yeah, I think it would be fun to do a Robert Duval film when we've ever done and especially some like tender nurses because he won the Oscar for it.
1:15:42
[SPEAKER_00]: So maybe maybe 10 people will listen to it.
1:15:45
[SPEAKER_00]: But
1:15:46
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, it might be fun for us to explore that because certainly something we haven't seen it's rare when Steve and I do a film we both have it so I think it's only happened once and that was night of the hunter, which neither of us is right right the Robert mentioned film.
1:15:58
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, for sure.
1:15:59
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, well, is there we have no more questions, is there anything more you want to say about Robert evolve or so we wrap up or any more announcements we need to make about our show coming up.
1:16:11
[SPEAKER_00]: as I say that we get one more.
1:16:13
[SPEAKER_00]: Michael McKenzie, thank you, Michael.
1:16:14
[SPEAKER_00]: He says, I know it's a Duval show, but do you have any thoughts about James Vanderby?
1:16:18
[SPEAKER_00]: I have a soft spot for varsity blues.
1:16:20
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, I mean, it's really sad.
1:16:22
[SPEAKER_01]: Vorse, honestly, I never watched it's Dawson's Creek, right?
1:16:26
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
1:16:27
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
1:16:27
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, my ignorance.
1:16:28
[SPEAKER_01]: I never watched the hat.
1:16:30
[SPEAKER_01]: I haven't watched all of his stuff.
1:16:32
[SPEAKER_01]: I have seen varsity blues, but I mean, it's from everything I've heard.
1:16:36
[SPEAKER_01]: It sounds like he was a good guy and it's really sad.
1:16:39
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a really complicated loss, because I know a lot of people, vocal, other people that we know Steve, who grew up with bender meat at his peak when they were young adults or teenagers, were really affected by his passing.
1:16:54
[SPEAKER_00]: You and I've been through this, where's a contemporary of ours, passes or a person we watched passes, and it reminds us of our own mortality.
1:17:02
[SPEAKER_00]: And I have to say, I saw a lot of people tweeting about it or talking about it amongst our friends, who were like,
1:17:07
[SPEAKER_00]: rocked by this death.
1:17:08
[SPEAKER_00]: I think Michael even said he cried, which Michael rarely cries unless it's a movie.
1:17:12
[SPEAKER_00]: I thought he was heartless.
1:17:14
[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't say that.
1:17:15
[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't say that, but I know that that's something that is really resonant.
1:17:20
[SPEAKER_00]: And so I'm sad because we just also lost Eric Dane.
1:17:25
[SPEAKER_00]: who had to go through, who suffered through ALS before passing, I think 53 years old only.
1:17:31
[SPEAKER_00]: And so heartbreaking on so many levels, when these guys who have been part of our entertainment landscape go in these random diseases, and I always go, how the hell am I avoiding this stuff?
1:17:41
[SPEAKER_00]: How the hell am I surviving?
1:17:42
[SPEAKER_00]: How am I not contract with these things?
1:17:45
[SPEAKER_00]: And so it just makes you aware of your own place in the world, in your own mortality.
1:17:50
[SPEAKER_00]: And there is other stuff going on behind the scenes, sadly there's drama involved about his go-fund me page and his own political personal belief.
1:17:58
[SPEAKER_00]: So, sadly in our society, now all of that gets mixed into trying to appreciate someone after they pass.
1:18:04
[SPEAKER_00]: So, it's a sad state of affairs, but...
1:18:07
[SPEAKER_00]: Either way, six children are without a father, a wife is without a husband, and a lot of people are robbed of what more Vanderbite could have done as he got older as an actor, because I think he was always trying to do more and more things to break out of the Dawson thing and show his levels of talent.
1:18:24
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm sorry to hear about that stuff with the, I mean, honestly, this is where social media is just, I'm glad I didn't read any of that.
1:18:32
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
1:18:33
[SPEAKER_01]: My life is not improved.
1:18:34
[SPEAKER_01]: My life would not have been improved if I knew more about shenanigans with the GoFundMe or anything else.
1:18:40
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, honor the person who passed away, he was a young guy, you know, and after the people cared about, I'm done, you know.
1:18:47
[SPEAKER_00]: Fair point.
1:18:47
[SPEAKER_00]: K. J.
1:18:48
[SPEAKER_00]: If it comes in and says, what about phenomenon that is, what is it about phenomenon that is so powerful?
1:18:53
[SPEAKER_00]: I've never seen it.
1:18:55
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I move.
1:18:56
[SPEAKER_01]: I haven't seen in a while, but like my memory is it's very much the story of a sweet person who gets this unbelievable gift and then how the world can't, it's what you said that people get afraid of him and it's, you know,
1:19:11
[SPEAKER_00]: It's a commentary.
1:19:12
[SPEAKER_00]: Now, some people have called it, it's a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a, a,
1:19:30
[SPEAKER_00]: It's very touching because of the relationship that Tromultis character George has with Kira Sejwik.
1:19:37
[SPEAKER_00]: She is a woman who is fresh out of a divorce, and has kids, and she is just trying to live her life.
1:19:45
[SPEAKER_00]: And here comes George who has an attraction for her.
1:19:49
[SPEAKER_00]: He's a simple guy, Steve said, I think he's a mechanic.
1:19:52
[SPEAKER_00]: His best friend is forced, Whitaker, who is also kind of a chill,
1:19:58
[SPEAKER_00]: And then I don't know where one night George is hit by this flashlight from space and he acquires this incredible level of intelligence and it unsettles people having this kind of intelligence and he's able to learn Portuguese and like two hours and have a conversation and save a child.
1:20:16
[SPEAKER_00]: He does all these wonderful things with his powers to help people, but unfortunately because some people are simple minded and afraid of change, they turn on him.
1:20:24
[SPEAKER_00]: His own town's people.
1:20:25
[SPEAKER_00]: The people grew up with.
1:20:26
[SPEAKER_00]: You never left the town.
1:20:28
[SPEAKER_00]: These they turn on him.
1:20:29
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's about what happened sometimes with people when they achieve a certain level of something, how people, all of a sudden get caught in their own fears, their own anger, their own
1:20:40
[SPEAKER_00]: sense of importance or entitlement and take it out on that person rather than appreciating them, they wanted to destroy them and denigrate them so that they can maintain their own world order or their own social construct in their minds.
1:20:53
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think it's a great one.
1:20:54
[SPEAKER_00]: The challenge is that and Travolta is so soulful in its performance that by the time the thing happens at the end of the movie that happens to him.
1:21:03
[SPEAKER_00]: You're so dialed in and you know, even now I couldn't cry thinking about the scene he has with Kira said that it's so touching and so it's a great message by the end of that movie of what he goes to.
1:21:15
[SPEAKER_01]: My memory of it and like I said, like I worked on the DVD, but that's in the late 90s early 2000s, and I maybe I've watched it once and then, but my memory of it, he's a really good guy.
1:21:26
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Trying to be a good guy.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, that's the sweetness of the whole thing, and that's a simple person, you know, who's just trying to be trying to be a good guy, like that's all in your need for me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I agree.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The black and white is very clear to him.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And the power, the powers, all they do is augment what he already is.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yep.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's what's a really great thing to take out of that movie for sure.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So let's wrap it up there, Steve.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Anything more we want to say, well, what would you find a thought?
1:21:56
[SPEAKER_00]: So I'm Robert Duval as we wrap up our tribute here.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And thanks everybody who's joined us live and we're all the super chats and stream labs, your thoughts.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's funny when Rob Riner passed away and we did a similar thing.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I had seen all of the major things and then hadn't seen some of the later things.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe I'm saying the same thing a bit about Robert Duval, but I think for me it's like the
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[SPEAKER_01]: The iceberg principle, which is okay, I've seen Apocalypse now in network and mash and all of those, but there's a whole bunch on this list I haven't seen.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So for me, it's the loss of a great actor and be the and a down to earth actor who as we said at the very beginning took us work seriously, but maybe didn't take himself all that seriously.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And now I have a whole bunch of movies to look forward to.
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[SPEAKER_01]: That's kind of my feeling right now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I would say just, you know, as an actor, I always marvel and appreciate the great actor.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And because they're not like the other great actor.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And what makes Robert do fall so great is he's not like the other great actors, yet he's no less talented, no less effective, no less powerful in the things that he does.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And he leaves an iconic legacy of great characters that you know by name.
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[SPEAKER_00]: You hear Tom Hager and you know immediately,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Here in Colonel Kilgore, you know, he immediately, here, Boo Radley, you know, he immediately, you know, so there's so many great performances that he leaves us with and he was a guy who worked his way up had a brief run of leading films and then went back to what he does best is supporting the main character and he was no less as effective, no less is moving and powerful in those films as he was in his iconic films that he won Oscars for and did it on the stage.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Did it on TV and did it in film and when you conquer all three of those mediums and win awards and all three of those mediums Or you done good and so I think this is where we go at the where we leave him with at 95 years old He leaves incredible legacy as a phenomenal actor and I think going out at 95 He's lived a hell of a life and I think that's a something to be celebrated and and appreciate and and lift it up
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[SPEAKER_00]: uh in our world because as we spoke about a few minutes ago, some sadly some actors don't get to achieve a lot before uh up until 95 before they pass on and thankfully Robert developed it for sure.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well said, sir.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Agreed.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you, Bob.
1:24:21
[SPEAKER_00]: Thank you.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All right, so for those of you who are listening to this, this is going to replace our part two of a few good men that it's going to be coming next week, but as Steve already mentioned, we've got so we're going to be re-issuing some of these Robert Duval movies, we're also going to be diving into very soon our breakdowns of the top of the 10
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[SPEAKER_00]: And of course, all of that leading to our own Oscars, the cinephiles Oscars, which are happening this Saturday before the event of the Oscars on Sunday, that we'll be doing live on this channel.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So look for, look, put that on your calendar as well to look forward to anything more we need to say as we're up to Steve, wrap up Steve.
1:25:05
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[SPEAKER_00]: From partnership more so I'm John Roka take care of yourselves be well RIP to the great Robert Duval and we'll talk to you next time with another brand new episode here of the Center Files piece.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He's to all of you.