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The Kenny Report | 11 August · The Kenny Report

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  Speaker 1: Line from the Skying New Center. This is the Kenny Report.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks for joining me. Welcome to another week here on
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  Speaker 1: the Kenny Report.
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  Speaker 2: Tonight the historic decision of the Albanese government to recognize
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  Speaker 2: a non existent state of Palestine.
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  Speaker 1: I tip this with you last week.
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  Speaker 2: Now it's been announced, I'll explain why rewarding terrorism in
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  Speaker 2: this way won't help deliver peace and can only work
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  Speaker 2: against Australia's interests.
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  Speaker 3: I'll talk to former.
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  Speaker 2: Australian Ambassador to Israel Dave Sharma, former Labor Front bencher
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  Speaker 2: and convener of Labour's Friends of Israel Mike Kelly, also
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  Speaker 2: Jewish leader Colin Rubinstein, and I'll cross to Sophie Ollsworth
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  Speaker 2: in London the zero in on protests over the same issue.
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  Speaker 3: Also how vulnerable is Australia.
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  Speaker 2: I'll preview tonight's special event, the War Cabinet here on
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  Speaker 2: Sky News with Defense and security expert Peter Jennings and
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  Speaker 2: with Jemton Uni and Carolinda a cover all of that
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  Speaker 2: serious stuff, but also have some light relief over the
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  Speaker 2: Sydney Sweeney Good Genes backlash.
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  Speaker 1: Let's get into it.
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  Speaker 2: What Anthony Albanezi has done today shames our nation, and
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  Speaker 2: it imperils us. It will be politically popular with the
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  Speaker 2: hard left, with some Muslim communities, and with those who
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  Speaker 2: don't pay attention to what's really going on. It will
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  Speaker 2: be shared by the radical anti Israel and anti US
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  Speaker 2: activists so prevalent on Western university campuses. But in the cold,
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  Speaker 2: hard light of day, this is another example of the
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  Speaker 2: West reveling in self harm and bowing to its enemies.
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  Speaker 2: This rewards terrorism, it demonizes Israel, and it devalues the
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  Speaker 2: core principles of freedom, democracy and the rule of law
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  Speaker 2: so crucial to Western democracies and I thought our national values.
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  Speaker 2: In fact, this gives Humas exactly what it wanted when
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  Speaker 2: it slaughtered families, raped women, massacred innocent children, defiled bodies,
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  Speaker 2: and took hostages twenty two long months ago. And when
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  Speaker 2: I say it gives Humas exactly what it wanted, I
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  Speaker 2: don't mean recognition of a Palestinian state. Of course, that's
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  Speaker 2: not what Humas wants. Hummus wants the demonization of Israel.
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  Speaker 2: That's why it deliberately triggered a war that it knew
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  Speaker 2: it couldn't win. Humus wants the world to turn against Israel.
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  Speaker 2: So that it can advance its long term aim of
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  Speaker 2: eliminating Israel and eradicating the Jewish people. That's what they say.
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  Speaker 2: Believe what they say, and watch what they do.
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  Speaker 1: Now.
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  Speaker 3: Australia and a bunch of other soft.
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  Speaker 2: Minded and weakneed nations are demonizing Israel with this recognition move,
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  Speaker 2: and the terrorists of Hummas will applaud them at every turn.
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  Speaker 4: Today I can confirm that at the eightieth Session of
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  Speaker 4: the United Nations General Assembly in September, Australia will recognize
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  Speaker 4: the state of Palestine.
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  Speaker 2: Recognize what state? There is no state, There is nothing
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  Speaker 2: approaching a state. There are no settled borders, there's no
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  Speaker 2: effective political system, no democracy, no rule of law. So
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  Speaker 2: the entire push is really about recognizing an aim, a dream,
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  Speaker 2: a fantasy that is completely disconnected from reality, and doing
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  Speaker 2: it in a way as a way really of just
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  Speaker 2: opposing Israel.
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  Speaker 4: Australia will recognize the state of Palestine. Australia will recognize
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  Speaker 4: the rite of the Palestinian people to as state of
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  Speaker 4: their own, predicated on the commitments Australia has received from
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  Speaker 4: the Palestinian authority.
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  Speaker 2: Oh so he's recognizing the right to form a state
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  Speaker 2: and he's received commitments from the Palestinian authority. In other words,
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  Speaker 2: he's received assurances from the Palestinian authority. President Mahmud a Bus,
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  Speaker 2: a man who is twenty years into a four year term. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: that's right, that's how democratic the Palestinian authority is.
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  Speaker 1: A Bus was elected to a.
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  Speaker 2: Four year term in two thousand and five and he's
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  Speaker 2: still there without the inconvenience of elections. And a Bus,
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  Speaker 2: like previous Palestinian leaders, was offered a two state solution
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  Speaker 2: way back in two thousand and eight, and he chose
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  Speaker 2: not to accept it. But Albo reckons a Bus will
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  Speaker 2: deliver it now because of commitments.
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  Speaker 3: And what would these commitments be.
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  Speaker 4: Our government has made it clear that there can be
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  Speaker 4: no role for the terrorists of Hamas in any future
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  Speaker 4: Palestinian state. This is one of the commitments Australia has
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  Speaker 4: sought and received from President of Bas and the Palestinian authority.
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  Speaker 2: Oh really, humm Us will have no role in this?
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  Speaker 2: Sounds nice, doesn't it. But Hummas controls the Gaza Strip
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  Speaker 2: where two million Palestinians, close to half the Palestinian population lives.
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  Speaker 2: So how can Albo and all these other Genianses guarantee
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  Speaker 2: no future role for Hummus unless Hummas is defeated. This
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  Speaker 2: is one of the core absurdities of this whole push,
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  Speaker 2: the demanding that Israel stops pursuing Hummus.
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  Speaker 1: They want to cease.
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  Speaker 2: Fire, to stop the military action against Hummus, but they
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  Speaker 2: say they can form a country without having Hummus playing
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  Speaker 2: a role.
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  Speaker 3: You have to have a plan to dismantle Hummas.
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  Speaker 2: Otherwise you're going to just pretend that Hamas has gone
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  Speaker 2: away and you're going to be cultivating disaster.
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  Speaker 1: Besides, the issue.
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  Speaker 2: Is not so much humm Us as an entity, but
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  Speaker 2: he is almost extremist terrorism as an ideology. Albanezi makes
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  Speaker 2: no attempt to delink his actions from the horrors of
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  Speaker 2: October the seventh.
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  Speaker 4: Ever since the atrocity is perpetrated by Hamas on the
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  Speaker 4: seventh of October twenty and twenty three, Australia has stood
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  Speaker 4: with the people of Israel and our partners and allies
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  Speaker 4: around the world in calling for the release of the
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  Speaker 4: hostages for the sake of their loved ones and all
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  Speaker 4: who share in their pain. We repeat that call today.
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  Speaker 1: Again. How can he say this?
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  Speaker 3: He is rewarding Hummas for taking hostages.
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  Speaker 2: So how does that help those hostages now or the
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  Speaker 2: hostages into the future. This diplomacy encourages hostage taking. Think
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  Speaker 2: of the Bebas family, mother shari and a few beautiful
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  Speaker 2: boys Ariel and Kafir, taken during that murderous rampage of
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  Speaker 2: October the seventh, hurled in fear and killed as hostages in.
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  Speaker 1: The tunnels of Gaza.
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  Speaker 2: How could we communicate to them and their families that
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  Speaker 2: the reaction all these months later is not to make
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  Speaker 2: sure others are not taken, not to force Hummas to
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  Speaker 2: hand over the remaining hostages, but to betray their memories
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  Speaker 2: by trying to assuage the terrorists, savages who not only
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  Speaker 2: took them and slaughtered them, but then handed over their
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  Speaker 2: bodies in a grotesque ceremony. Look at this, the sickening
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  Speaker 2: victory theater of the humma Us terrorists. It is just
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  Speaker 2: so sad and infuriating. Yet listen to this from Albanezi.
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  Speaker 4: Today, the Palestinian authority has reaffirmed it recognizes Israel's right
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  Speaker 4: to exist in peace and security. It has committed to
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  Speaker 4: demilitarize and to hold general elections. It has pledged to
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  Speaker 4: abolish the system of payments to the families of prisoners
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  Speaker 4: and martyrs.
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  Speaker 1: He called the martyrs.
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  Speaker 2: Our own prime minister called Palestinian terrorists suicide bombers and
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  Speaker 2: the like martyrs. If that doesn't show you how low
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  Speaker 2: we have sunk, I don't know what could. Just imagine
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  Speaker 2: if the international community had stood firmly behind Israel and
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  Speaker 2: against Hamas from the start, would hostages still be would
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  Speaker 2: the war still be going? We'll never know, but we
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  Speaker 2: do know that what's shifted so many politicians, including by
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  Speaker 2: his own omission Anthony Alberizi, is the public protests and
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  Speaker 2: of course sparked by the concerns about the devastation in Gaza,
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  Speaker 2: which is obviously terrible, but of course it's communicated primarily
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  Speaker 2: to us through Hummus controlled information, which has often been
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  Speaker 2: shown to be staged and exaggerated its propaganda. All people
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  Speaker 2: of good will want civilians protected and saved.
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  Speaker 3: That goes without saying. And we all want peace.
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  Speaker 2: The question is how to deliver that, and appeasing Hummus
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  Speaker 2: is the wrong strategy.
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  Speaker 3: Ignoring hatred is a huge mistake.
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  Speaker 2: Think of this Muslim leader in Sydney on October the eighth,
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  Speaker 2: twenty twenty three, twenty two months ago. Now, he celebrated
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  Speaker 2: the slaughter of twelve hundred Israeli men, women and children,
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  Speaker 2: even while their bodies were still being recovered, and even
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  Speaker 2: while the injured were being treated. And he did this
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  Speaker 2: celebration with a group on the streets of Sydney, even
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  Speaker 2: while the two hundred and fifty hostages were still being.
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  Speaker 1: Raped and murdered.
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  Speaker 5: Waiting fall.
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  Speaker 2: Yet just over a week ago, that same man, shake
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  Speaker 2: Ibrahim de Doun, joined the protests on the Sydney Harbor
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  Speaker 2: Bridge and he said this, he's down on the Harbor
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  Speaker 2: Bridge on iconic days when we are protesting, we're marching
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  Speaker 2: for humanity. So really, you rejoice at the slaughter of Israelis,
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  Speaker 2: but then you.
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  Speaker 1: March for humanity.
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  Speaker 2: Yet our government has brought these arguments from activists like this. Now,
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  Speaker 2: do I support a Palestinian state, a state where Palestinian
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  Speaker 2: people live in peace, freedom and security alongside Israel, whose
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  Speaker 2: security is also guaranteed. Of course I do, But it's
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  Speaker 2: so far from reality now that it's ludicrous to even
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  Speaker 2: talk about.
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  Speaker 1: It, let alone recognize it.
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  Speaker 2: Under current arrangements with the Palestinian territories run by hamas Fatah,
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  Speaker 2: Islamic Jihad, Hesbalah, and others. A Palestinian state would most
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  Speaker 2: closely resemble the caliphate established by Islamic State in Iraq
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  Speaker 2: and Syria. It would be an Islamist terrorist bad land,
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  Speaker 2: much like Gaza today, where the rights of women, gays
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  Speaker 2: and non believers would be non existent, where democracy would
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  Speaker 2: be a sham, and where the ultimate goal would remain
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  Speaker 2: the annihilation of Israel and the eradication of the Jewish people,
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  Speaker 2: and its borders would snake through the suburbs of Jerusalem.
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  Speaker 2: Before Israel can allow such a state, a Palestinian state,
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  Speaker 2: it needs to be demonstrated that that state would be free, open,
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  Speaker 2: secure and peaceful, and such an arrangement is less plausible
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  Speaker 2: now than it has been for at least two decades.
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  Speaker 2: Every time the Palestinian Arabs have been offered a state,
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  Speaker 2: they have chosen war instead.
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  Speaker 1: That is the sad fact of history.
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  Speaker 2: In nineteen forty eight, then again in the nineteen sixties,
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  Speaker 2: in the nineteen seventies, again at the turn of the century,
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  Speaker 2: when Bill Clinton broke at a deal that was rejected
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  Speaker 2: by Yasser Arafat, and when a bas didn't take up
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  Speaker 2: that offer, again in two thousand and eight, and then
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  Speaker 2: when Gaza was handed over two decades ago, it prompted
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  Speaker 2: not peace, but years of missile attacks into Israel, years
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  Speaker 2: of foreign aid being tipped into weapons and tunnels, and
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  Speaker 2: the vile atrocities that led to on October the seventh. Yet, now,
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  Speaker 2: while Hamas is still fighting Israel from Gaza, while Hammas
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  Speaker 2: still commits the daily war crime of holding fifty hostages,
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  Speaker 2: thirty of them dead, twenty believed to be still alive,
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  Speaker 2: now Australia decides to recognize a Palestinian state. It's a
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  Speaker 2: decision as repugnant as it is absurd. It's as morally
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  Speaker 2: depraved a as it is diplomatically impotent. It is recognition
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  Speaker 2: of an imaginary state in order to portray Israel as evil.
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  Speaker 2: It's done largely for domestic political purposes, to appease the
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  Speaker 2: Islamist hardliners and the radical leftists who constantly attack and
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  Speaker 2: protest against Israel. It's a very sad day for Australian diplomacy,
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  Speaker 2: a tragic day for our national values which now lay
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  Speaker 2: abandoned as a Green left government seeks to appease the
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  Speaker 2: radical Islamists. It's a terrible day for relations between Australia
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  Speaker 2: and Israel, turning a long and fruitful friendship into an
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  Speaker 2: estrangement at best. And if you want a more hard
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  Speaker 2: headed and practical assessment of the damage to our nation,
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  Speaker 2: think about the US Alliance. There's no relationship more important
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  Speaker 2: for our own defense and security. The alliance is already
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  Speaker 2: under strained, and yet now Australia joins an anti Israel
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  Speaker 2: and anti US diplomatic push. It'll do nothing to help
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  Speaker 2: the Palestinian people. It's just another propaganda win for the
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  Speaker 2: Hummas terrorists that will prolong the war. It further diminishes Australia,
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  Speaker 2: and it undermines the US Alliance. There's every chance now
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  Speaker 2: that Alberanzi will meet Mahud a bus in the flesh
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  Speaker 2: before he meets the US President Donald Trump. It's a
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  Speaker 2: sickening day for Australian and confirmation that the Albanese labor
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  Speaker 2: government is changing this country quite dramatically, quite quickly, and
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  Speaker 2: all for the worse.
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  Speaker 1: Let's catch up.
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  Speaker 2: With now with the Liberal Senator for New South Wales
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  Speaker 2: and former Australian Ambassador to Israel, Dave Sharma, joining us
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  Speaker 2: in Sydney. Dave, I've got to get your reaction from this.
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  Speaker 2: I want you to place yourself in your old job.
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  Speaker 2: If you're the Australian ambassador in Israel at the moment,
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  Speaker 2: what message do you give to the Israeli government and what.
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  Speaker 3: Reception do you think you get in response?
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  Speaker 6: Well, look, if I was still in that role, I
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  Speaker 6: would have advised very very strongly against taking this decision.
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  Speaker 6: I would have warned about the consequences for the bilateral relationship.
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  Speaker 6: But importantly I would have made this point that it's
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  Speaker 6: not actually going to make any difference. It's not going
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  Speaker 6: to make the creation of a Palaestinian state any more likely.
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  Speaker 6: It's not going to accelerate the conclusion of a ceasefire.
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  Speaker 6: In fact, it's going to do just the opposite, make
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  Speaker 6: a cease fire harder to achieve, and it's not going
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  Speaker 6: to do anything to address the humanitarian situation in Gaza.
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  Speaker 6: It's ultimately a meaningless gesture which flies in the face
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  Speaker 6: to past Australian diplomatic practice but also overturns decades of
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  Speaker 6: bipartisanship around this question.
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  Speaker 2: Well, this meaning was on the ground, of course, I
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  Speaker 2: agree with you wholeheartedly. It won't make any difference to
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  Speaker 2: the aspirations of Palestinian people or the delivery of peace
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  Speaker 2: and security and humanitarian aid in the region. But what
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  Speaker 2: does it do to us diplomatically? What do you think
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  Speaker 2: the Americans, for instance, will make of this change in
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  Speaker 2: posture from Australia.
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  Speaker 6: Well, look at position just with you know, I guess
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  Speaker 6: the progressive group of countries in Europe and sort of
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  Speaker 6: non aligned countries that have recognized a Palestinian state, But
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  Speaker 6: it's certainly not where we have traditionally been. Traditionally Australia
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  Speaker 6: has been a very strong supporter of Israel's right to exist. Yes,
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  Speaker 6: we've supported a two state solution, but we've always recognized
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  Speaker 6: that that can only come about in a way that
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  Speaker 6: contributes to peace and security in the region if it's
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  Speaker 6: a negotiated to state solution, and we've supported American diplomatic
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  Speaker 6: efforts to that end. But it seems that we are
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  Speaker 6: breaking with that now and we are going to go
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  Speaker 6: for gestures over substance, and we're going to look at
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  Speaker 6: domestic politics rather than how can we actually advance interest
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  Speaker 6: on the international stage.
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  Speaker 1: We have governments like and leaders like Albaniese.
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  Speaker 2: You constantly want to talk down Australia's role and I
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  Speaker 2: don't want to overstate our role.
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  Speaker 3: In the region, but we've been a strong and loyal
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  Speaker 3: friend over.
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  Speaker 1: Time to Israel.
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  Speaker 3: But the alliance with America is so important to us.
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  Speaker 1: Now.
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  Speaker 2: Of course we're much smaller, but we've been a significant nation.
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  Speaker 2: And when they're stuck on their own as they are
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  Speaker 2: now supporting Israel, the moral support that can come from
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  Speaker 2: Australia through diplomatic channels and our votes of the US
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  Speaker 2: at the UN, sorry, is important, isn't it Because it
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  Speaker 2: gives the US some alliance support and so it costs
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  Speaker 2: US nothing except standing up for our values. Yet it
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  Speaker 2: helps to deepen the alliance, and we're throwing that away
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  Speaker 2: at a critical time.
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  Speaker 3: Surely.
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  Speaker 1: Well, look, I think that's right.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, the US has always followed and quite closely
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  Speaker 6: coordinated with US our position on Middle East and Israel
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  Speaker 6: resolutions and alike in our position in international fore and
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  Speaker 6: at the UN. And I remember both from my time
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  Speaker 6: in Washington serving as a diplomat, but also my time
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  Speaker 6: in Israel as an ambassador, that we would you know,
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  Speaker 6: Washington appreciated and valued Australia's support for their long standing
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  Speaker 6: positions and interest in the region. It's clear that we
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  Speaker 6: are no longer going to be there for them as
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  Speaker 6: a dependable ally, at least when it comes to these
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  Speaker 6: issues in the Middle East. And I think, I think,
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  Speaker 6: because you know, that's to the detriment of our national interests.
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  Speaker 6: And I don't actually say anything that is being advanced
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  Speaker 6: for a national interest by this decision.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, will pine no gain there.
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  Speaker 2: Let me just share with you in the audience some
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  Speaker 2: of what the Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Naho's had to
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  Speaker 2: say to.
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  Speaker 7: Have the European countries and Australia march into that march
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  Speaker 7: into that rabbit hole just like that, fall right into it.
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  Speaker 7: And by this canard is disappointing and I think it's
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  Speaker 7: it's actually shameful. But it's not going to take It's
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  Speaker 7: not going to change our position. Those who say that
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  Speaker 7: Israel has a right to defend itself are also saying,
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  Speaker 7: but don't exercise that right. They know what they would
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  Speaker 7: do if right next to Melbourne or right next to
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  Speaker 7: Sydney you had this horrific attacks. I think you would
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  Speaker 7: do it at least what we're doing.
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  Speaker 1: So very clear what thereb Netna, who was saying there.
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  Speaker 2: But tell me, Dave Sharma, Australia's action is not taken
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  Speaker 2: that tally.
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  Speaker 1: It's in concert with the UK, with France, with Canada.
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  Speaker 2: Will it have an impact on Israeli policy? Will have
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  Speaker 2: an impact on what Humas intends to do.
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  Speaker 6: Well, Look, it is having an impact on Hamas. I mean,
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  Speaker 6: Hermas has been portraying this concession from Australia, the United Kingdom,
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  Speaker 6: France and Canada as a win. They've been saying that,
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  Speaker 6: look at what we've achieved, look at what the terrorist
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  Speaker 6: attacks of the seventh of October have achieved. It's changed
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  Speaker 6: their approach to CEASEFI negotiations. A CEASEFI ideal which was
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  Speaker 6: close Harmas has now up to the ANTE and said, well, no,
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  Speaker 6: we're not going to give back the hostages until the
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  Speaker 6: state has realized we've got a capital in Jerusalem and
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  Speaker 6: we're not going anywhere, by the way, So they've pushed
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  Speaker 6: back the prospects for peace in terms of Israel. Though, no,
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  Speaker 6: it's not going to change Israel's actions. I mean fundamentally,
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  Speaker 6: Alastinian state can only come about with US agreement because
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  Speaker 6: of the US's position on the Security Council and Israel's
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  Speaker 6: agreement because Israel would need to negotiate final borders and
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  Speaker 6: live alongside that. This move, whilst it isolates Israel more diplomatically,
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  Speaker 6: it's not going to convince them to sign away their
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  Speaker 6: security interests. I mean, I think, as Netanyahu said in
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  Speaker 6: that same press conference, I'm not going to sell Israel's
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  Speaker 6: national security interest for two minutes of favorable media coverage
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  Speaker 6: in the international press. So I think this shows the
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  Speaker 6: emptiness of this gesture and how little it will actually
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  Speaker 6: change anything on the ground except make it worse.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks so much for analysis, Steve, I appreciate it.
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: Dave Shama, the Liberal Senator for New South Wales and
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: of course a former Australian ambassador to Israel and he
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: was a diplomat in Washington as well as you mentioned.
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: Then let's got to London now, four stories related to this.
• 21:52
  Speaker 2: Developments related to this. We're joined as everybody. Sophie Yoursworth
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: News Corps Europe correspondent and Sky One News contributor.
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: Good to talk to you again.
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: It was great to read about the protest on the
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: weekend in London supporting the hostages.
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: Thousands turning out for the.
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: Hostages, but there wasn't all smooth sailing talk us through
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: this demonstration and what unfolded.
• 22:14
  Speaker 5: Great to be with.
• 22:15
  Speaker 8: You, Chris. Yes, I was here in central London yesterday
• 22:18
  Speaker 8: at this protest led by Jewish organizations who marched through
• 22:23
  Speaker 8: some of the most prominent streets up to Downing Street
• 22:26
  Speaker 8: here yesterday calling for the release of the hostages and
• 22:30
  Speaker 8: also voicing their disgust really with the British government over
• 22:35
  Speaker 8: its decision to recognize Palestinian statehood. However, there were several
• 22:41
  Speaker 8: arrests got pretty heated there. A few people in the
• 22:44
  Speaker 8: crowd broke out into fights and as you can see
• 22:47
  Speaker 8: on the vision there that I took yesterday, one man
• 22:51
  Speaker 8: was arrested and taken away by police. So it was
• 22:54
  Speaker 8: a relatively peaceful protest. Quite a powerful protests, Chris, and
• 22:59
  Speaker 8: we have had a lot of protests.
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: He also a.
• 23:01
  Speaker 8: Pro Palestinian protest on Saturday. So it's been a busy
• 23:05
  Speaker 8: time for police to monitor these protests through central London
• 23:10
  Speaker 8: because tensions are increasing here in Britain.
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I just want to have a look at what
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: some people had to say at the protests, one from
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: the organizer and someone else a tending It seems incredible
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: that anybody could antagonize a rally for hostages, but have
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: a look, and our.
• 23:27
  Speaker 9: Whole community has come together to march for the hostages
• 23:30
  Speaker 9: called bring them Home, let them Go, and to also
• 23:33
  Speaker 9: protest the government's decision to recognize Palestine without any conditions
• 23:36
  Speaker 9: on the Mass and any conditions on the mass to
• 23:38
  Speaker 9: release them because it makes bringing the hostages home harder.
• 23:41
  Speaker 9: I mean, it's been a difficult situation. It does feel
• 23:43
  Speaker 9: right now like a lot of the world is against us.
• 23:46
  Speaker 10: I think that through Australian government need to wake up
• 23:51
  Speaker 10: and look at what they're being.
• 23:55
  Speaker 5: They're being told by Hamas and others who are trying
• 23:59
  Speaker 5: to doctrine eight their people.
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, look, it's just terrible, Sophie to see the way
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: that protests attracted antagonistic interruptions.
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: You're supporting the hostages.
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: That's why we're this pin on my lapel every night
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: for the hostages until they're released. And we believe twenty
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: is still alive of the fifty being held by Hummus.
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: But as you mentioned, there was another protest pro Palestinian
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: anti Israel protests, enormous numbers of arrested that one.
• 24:32
  Speaker 11: Chris.
• 24:32
  Speaker 8: It certainly was for the matt police. There were over
• 24:34
  Speaker 8: five hundred and twenty arrests and they were still counting
• 24:37
  Speaker 8: them on the weekend. They couldn't handle the amount of
• 24:41
  Speaker 8: arrests for this prescribed organization. Chris, there's only about I've
• 24:46
  Speaker 8: read today, only about five hundred holding cells here in
• 24:51
  Speaker 8: London when there are arrests made. They had over five
• 24:54
  Speaker 8: hundred arrests and there were some people getting arrested and
• 24:57
  Speaker 8: then being released on bail immediately returning to the protest
• 25:01
  Speaker 8: because police could not cope with the amount of rests
• 25:05
  Speaker 8: that were being made here on the weekend. So this
• 25:08
  Speaker 8: was very much a problem for the police and one
• 25:11
  Speaker 8: of the highest number of arrests of any one group
• 25:14
  Speaker 8: for several decades.
• 25:15
  Speaker 10: So there's a lot of talk.
• 25:17
  Speaker 8: On radio this morning is really should these people be
• 25:21
  Speaker 8: arrested even though they are supporting this organization because police
• 25:26
  Speaker 8: just can't keep up with the amount of rest arrests
• 25:28
  Speaker 8: that they were forced to make.
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: Amazing stuff all over it as usual, Sophie. Thanks for
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: joining us, Sophie Ellsworth there in London. Same issues of course,
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: creating that political termoil in the UK.
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: The UK leading the.
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: Charge along with France for this recognition of Israel. Anthony
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: Albanezi essentially has just thrown his lot in with the
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: UK and France, along with Canada as well. They're acting
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: as a group piece following the lead there and the
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: same issues are playing out. We've got to get a break,
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: go to a break on the other side that I
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: want to talk about whether Australia is combat ready?
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: Are we ready to defend ourselves?
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: Peter Jennings is going to help preview tonight's special event
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: here on sky News, the War Cabinet. As I mentioned
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: last week, the War Cabinet premieres on sky News tonight
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: at seven point thirty, So going to bring together former
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: ministers like the Liberals. Alexander Downer is also also Labour's
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: Joel Fitzgibbon, plus defense leaders and national security experts all
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: in the cabinet room to answer a single question, really,
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: is Australia ready for war now? One of the issues
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: the War Cabinet discusses is what would happen, how would
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: it unfold if China invaded Taiwan.
• 26:43
  Speaker 12: Have a look an attack on Taiwan I think is
• 26:47
  Speaker 12: perhaps the most likely flashpoint for a conflict in the
• 26:50
  Speaker 12: Indo Pacific and most likely we know this from China's
• 26:54
  Speaker 12: behavior over the last few years. It would start with
• 26:57
  Speaker 12: a blockade, cutting off of the Internet cables into Taiwan,
• 27:02
  Speaker 12: stopping air traffic and sea traffic into Taiwan, and from
• 27:07
  Speaker 12: there I think China would seek to win its objectives
• 27:11
  Speaker 12: without military force, but if it couldn't do that, it
• 27:14
  Speaker 12: would then launch significant missile strikes onto the air bases
• 27:17
  Speaker 12: and the port facilities, attacking the Taiwanese military and attacking
• 27:22
  Speaker 12: Taiwan's senior leadership. The last possible thing that they would
• 27:25
  Speaker 12: consider would be across the beach military landings. Whilst this
• 27:29
  Speaker 12: is happening, the other thing China would be doing would
• 27:32
  Speaker 12: be working as hard as it could to keep the
• 27:33
  Speaker 12: Americans away, to keep Japan away, to use political and
• 27:38
  Speaker 12: diplomatic means to try and keep Australia and any other
• 27:41
  Speaker 12: democracy out of the conflict. That's how I think this
• 27:44
  Speaker 12: would unfold in its early servies.
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: Let's catch up with that man.
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: Peter Jennings from Strategic Analysis Australia joins me live from camera.
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: Good to talk to you again, Peter.
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: It's great to hear you outline in the program going
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: to air tonight. That flashport, as you say, the most
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: likely flashpoint in the region.
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: Are we prepared as a nation to deal with.
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: Such a flashpoint.
• 28:08
  Speaker 12: Nowhere near Chris And I guess the other point that
• 28:11
  Speaker 12: needs to be made is that I'm talking about something
• 28:13
  Speaker 12: that could well happen in the second half of the
• 28:16
  Speaker 12: twenty twenties. This is not the far distant future. And
• 28:21
  Speaker 12: you know, there were disagreements on points of emphasis, I
• 28:25
  Speaker 12: guess around the Walk cabinet table, but broadly speaking, a
• 28:28
  Speaker 12: consensus that that was the near term threat that we faced,
• 28:33
  Speaker 12: and also a view that our governments have systemically failed
• 28:37
  Speaker 12: to inform the Australian people about the risks that are
• 28:41
  Speaker 12: apparent in our region and about what that might mean
• 28:44
  Speaker 12: for Australia. There's almost a non discussion about these issues,
• 28:48
  Speaker 12: and that's very serious when you consider that it could
• 28:50
  Speaker 12: happen very quickly and could involve Australia very quickly as well.
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: Now you've worked in defense, you know the sorts of.
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: You've worked in GAVN and in the Department of Defense,
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: so you know the sorts of considerations that go on.
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: And other people in the War Cabinet tonight also have
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: worked in government and in defense, and so they bring
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: that experience to the table. Let's have a look at
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: a couple of them. What they suggest this country needs
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: to do.
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: In ten years time.
• 29:20
  Speaker 11: They'll be spending twice what we were when they came
• 29:22
  Speaker 11: to office.
• 29:23
  Speaker 12: But it's clearly not going to be enough.
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: All right, that's Josh skipping across the former labor Defense minis.
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: So we've also got Jennifer Parker, who's a former naval officer.
• 29:34
  Speaker 5: We talk a lot about desurance. We also just need
• 29:36
  Speaker 5: to be able to respond integrated air and missile defense,
• 29:40
  Speaker 5: having conversations around strategic resilience and honestly starting to build ships,
• 29:44
  Speaker 5: starting to build missiles, all of those things. Yes, we
• 29:46
  Speaker 5: need to inform the public, but we actually need to
• 29:48
  Speaker 5: get that stuff happening as well.
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, there seems to be a worrying consensus here Peter that, yeah,
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: we really need to improve our defense capability, but the
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: time is now, stop talking about it, do it.
• 30:01
  Speaker 12: Yes, absolutely, And you know, there's a puzzling situation here,
• 30:06
  Speaker 12: which is to say that the government and the defense
• 30:08
  Speaker 12: organization have been focusing far too much on what I
• 30:13
  Speaker 12: call the fantasy force, Chris, which is the force we'll
• 30:16
  Speaker 12: have in twenty forty and later when those nuclear powder
• 30:20
  Speaker 12: submarines arrive, and they're doing that in part by squeezing
• 30:25
  Speaker 12: the existing defense force in order to save money for
• 30:28
  Speaker 12: that UCUS investment. We actually now have, i think, a
• 30:33
  Speaker 12: defense force in twenty twenty five significantly weaker and less
• 30:37
  Speaker 12: able to respond to military contingencies than was the case,
• 30:40
  Speaker 12: you know, twenty years ago when we were involved in
• 30:43
  Speaker 12: these team more and active in the Middle East, and
• 30:46
  Speaker 12: that should be a pressing concern. I think there was
• 30:49
  Speaker 12: a strong agreement around the table that what we need
• 30:52
  Speaker 12: is an urgent government priority to strengthen the existing defense force.
• 30:57
  Speaker 12: That does mean more defense spending, and Jen Parker is
• 31:01
  Speaker 12: absolutely right that needs to involve producing things like missiles
• 31:05
  Speaker 12: and drones and equipment that could be made easily in
• 31:08
  Speaker 12: Australia and not making ourselves hostage to fortune that that
• 31:12
  Speaker 12: type of technology can arrive from overseas when other countries,
• 31:16
  Speaker 12: including our close allies, will probably be looking to their
• 31:19
  Speaker 12: own supplies first. So we need to boost Australian defense
• 31:22
  Speaker 12: industry as a matter of urgency as well.
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: Great analysis, Peter, thanks again for joining us. Peter Jennings
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: there from Strategic Analysis Australia.
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: He is part of the War Cabinet.
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: Here on Sky News tonight at seven point thirty pm.
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: That's Australian Eastern Time. Yeah, lose a bit of Sharry
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: and a bit of Andrew Bolt tonight, but believe me,
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: that is worth a viewing.
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: Now we're going to get to a break.
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: On the other side, we're going to be talking to
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: the former Labor Front bencher Mike Kelly about what's happening
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: with the Albanezy government's decision to recognize the state of Palestine.
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: Let's go to this historicion, I would say, historically bad
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: decision by the Albanezy government to recognize the non existent
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: state of Palestine. And I want to go to Mike Kelly,
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: who's the co convena of Labor Friends of Israeli's a
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: former Labor Minister for Defense material it joins me from camera.
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: Good to talk to you again, Micah. This was a
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: long time coming. We all expected it. There were signals
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: a plenty. What's your reaction to what you've seen and
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: heard today.
• 32:24
  Speaker 13: Yeah, it's really disappointing.
• 32:25
  Speaker 14: I mean the step hasn't been taken yet, so there's
• 32:28
  Speaker 14: still time to urge the government to really consider how
• 32:31
  Speaker 14: they approach this. I mean, we in labor friends of
• 32:34
  Speaker 14: Israel certainly supported to state solution, but what we want
• 32:37
  Speaker 14: to see is a Palestinian state where Palestinians have the
• 32:41
  Speaker 14: same rights as Israelis. That is, free and democratic elections,
• 32:45
  Speaker 14: free trade unions, you know, solid strong rights for LGBTQI
• 32:50
  Speaker 14: and women, and endo systemic corruption, reforms to the education system.
• 32:56
  Speaker 14: And that last one in particular, you know, it's five
• 32:58
  Speaker 14: European Parliament reports that really build the cat on just
• 33:02
  Speaker 14: how heinous that system is and what it does to
• 33:05
  Speaker 14: build the precursor situations for the savagery we saw on
• 33:09
  Speaker 14: October the seventh and the endless wars that are being
• 33:12
  Speaker 14: perpetrated and perpetuated by Hamas now I think particular, of course,
• 33:17
  Speaker 14: they don't want two solutions though on a global Islamist
• 33:22
  Speaker 14: caliphate exactly if kill the planet has wiped out exactly.
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: Now, those aspirations you state for a Palestinian state, I
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: think all people of good will would support those. But
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: critical as well as that is that Israel's security needs
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: to be guaranteed. Otherwise there's no way Israel can agree
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: to it. And how far off are we from any
• 33:39
  Speaker 2: sort of security guarantee for the right of Israel to exist.
• 33:44
  Speaker 13: Well, that's exactly right.
• 33:45
  Speaker 14: I mean, you know, that's why this has to be
• 33:48
  Speaker 14: part of a peace process, so that we have clear
• 33:51
  Speaker 14: security guarantees for Israel, clear security arrangements, and certainly demilitarization
• 33:57
  Speaker 14: has to happen.
• 33:58
  Speaker 13: Now we're a long way from.
• 34:00
  Speaker 14: Achieving that in Gaza because Hamas has amassed lots of
• 34:04
  Speaker 14: soft piles of weaponry and ammunition, and it's five hundred
• 34:07
  Speaker 14: kilometers of underground tunnels, and that's going to take a
• 34:10
  Speaker 14: long time to do something effective about. And so you know,
• 34:15
  Speaker 14: this is the priority that the government should have. It
• 34:20
  Speaker 14: should be sending clear signals to her mass. I mean,
• 34:22
  Speaker 14: Hamas is claiming a propaganda victory over this. They're saying
• 34:25
  Speaker 14: it was there, you know, savagery on October the seventh
• 34:28
  Speaker 14: and the ongoing war that's actually led to this decision.
• 34:32
  Speaker 14: So we've kind of fed them a propaganda win. But
• 34:35
  Speaker 14: in addition to that, you know, we're seeing a situation
• 34:37
  Speaker 14: where we still have these hostages being held in the
• 34:40
  Speaker 14: Gaza Strip. And I would call it immoral to go
• 34:44
  Speaker 14: forward with recognition unless you made it, even if you
• 34:48
  Speaker 14: did want to make that step, which I think you know,
• 34:50
  Speaker 14: and I applaud the government for actually starting to realize
• 34:53
  Speaker 14: they've got to apply conditions to this. But you want
• 34:55
  Speaker 14: to see those conditions delivered on, not just commitments, and
• 34:59
  Speaker 14: one of those conditions should be.
• 35:01
  Speaker 13: The release of the hostages.
• 35:03
  Speaker 14: So how can we go forward with this step without
• 35:06
  Speaker 14: number one making that a requirement of it that those
• 35:09
  Speaker 14: hostages be released.
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: Now, of course the Palaesainian territories are broken into two
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: major parts, the Gaza Strip and the West Bank. The
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: Gaza Strip has a population of about two million people,
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: almost half the population. The West Bag is slightly higher population. Obviously,
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: the Gaza Strip in absolutely devastation at the moment, but
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: still controlled by Hummas, still controlled by this Islamist extremist
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: terrorist organization. Yet your former colleague in Parliament, Tony Burke,
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: the Immigration Minister, doesn't seem to see that as an impediment.
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: Here he was on Sky News yesterday.
• 35:45
  Speaker 14: There have frequently been countries where part of that nation
• 35:50
  Speaker 14: has been occupied by a terrorist group and we haven't
• 35:56
  Speaker 14: ceased to recognize the country. Both Syria and Iraq had
• 36:01
  Speaker 14: a long period where parts of those countries were being
• 36:05
  Speaker 14: occupied and realistically controlled by ISIS didn't stop us from
• 36:10
  Speaker 14: recognizing and having diplomatic relations with those countries themselves, So
• 36:17
  Speaker 14: you know, there's a fair bit of precedent on this.
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: Mike Kelly, how realistic is that assessment?
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: These are existing countries where parts would take it over
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: to terrorists. He's talking about recognizing your country while half
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: of it is in the hands of terrorists.
• 36:32
  Speaker 13: Yeah, Look, this is really a bit of sophistry here,
• 36:35
  Speaker 13: to be frank.
• 36:35
  Speaker 14: I mean, we're talking about we're not removing recognition for
• 36:38
  Speaker 14: countries that are in this situation. We're in a position
• 36:41
  Speaker 14: here where we can actually use diplomatic leverage to actually
• 36:46
  Speaker 14: achieve the core values of the labor movement, all of
• 36:49
  Speaker 14: those things that I mentioned, you know, those are the
• 36:51
  Speaker 14: things we have a chance to shape here if we
• 36:54
  Speaker 14: just push ahead with recognition in this situation for a
• 36:58
  Speaker 14: location that doesn't even meet the inter national law standards
• 37:01
  Speaker 14: to be a state to be fraying. But if we
• 37:03
  Speaker 14: do that, we're giving away the ability to actually shape
• 37:08
  Speaker 14: an environment that will be something, hopefully better than all
• 37:12
  Speaker 14: of the train wrecks and basket cases we see in
• 37:15
  Speaker 14: the Middle East and North Africa.
• 37:17
  Speaker 13: Aside from Israel and Morocco perhaps, so you know, this
• 37:21
  Speaker 13: is a chance to advance.
• 37:23
  Speaker 14: Those labor values, the sort of values that we want
• 37:25
  Speaker 14: to see in a liberal democracy. You know, liberal democracies
• 37:29
  Speaker 14: under a massive siege globally at the moment, through particularly
• 37:32
  Speaker 14: all this information warfare. But the VDM Institute of the
• 37:35
  Speaker 14: Gottenburg University highlighted the ten years ago, forty eight percent
• 37:39
  Speaker 14: of the world was living under autocracies.
• 37:41
  Speaker 13: Now it's up to seventy one percent.
• 37:43
  Speaker 14: There's only thirteen percent left of us living in liberal democracies.
• 37:47
  Speaker 14: We should be digging in here and fighting for democracy
• 37:51
  Speaker 14: to really get some roots in that region where it's
• 37:54
  Speaker 14: been denied for so long. So use this leverage to
• 37:57
  Speaker 14: achieve those kind of outcomes.
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: And just briefly, what does this say about the labor
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: government's attitude to the US alliance will have damage that
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: relationship or.
• 38:07
  Speaker 14: The US obviously very hard over they have quite a
• 38:10
  Speaker 14: realistic view at the present time on the situation there.
• 38:14
  Speaker 14: And look, you know, if they're determined to go ahead
• 38:16
  Speaker 14: with this, I would say, at least please consider making
• 38:21
  Speaker 14: the continuing recognition conditional on achievement of these requirements that
• 38:27
  Speaker 14: we should have and in particular release of the hostages.
• 38:31
  Speaker 14: If we don't do that, we're just abandoning them. And
• 38:34
  Speaker 14: they're really forefront of my mind right now. We've seen
• 38:37
  Speaker 14: the horrific images of how they're being treated and misused
• 38:41
  Speaker 14: for propaganda purposes.
• 38:43
  Speaker 13: But it's just.
• 38:43
  Speaker 14: Appalling and we should really make that front and center.
• 38:47
  Speaker 14: Put pressure on Hamasi you don't reward.
• 38:50
  Speaker 2: Them, well, said Mike Kelly. Thanks so much for joining
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: us again. Mike Kelly there, who served his country in
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: the army in the Middle East, served this country in
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: politics as it affec material Minister for Labor and he's
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: always worth listening to on these issues. Pretty disappointed with
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: where the ub and easy labor government is going at
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: the moment. Let's get some reaction from the Australian Jewish community.
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: Now.
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: I'm joined from Melbourne by Colin Rubinstein, who's the executive
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: director of the Australia and Israel Jewish Affairs Council. Good
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: to talk to you again, Colin. You've followed every step
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: along the path. You knew this labor government was looking
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: to get there the announcement today.
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: What's your reaction?
• 39:28
  Speaker 11: Look talking to you from Sydney, Chris, the reaction is
• 39:32
  Speaker 11: one of great disappointment. I think this is quite misguided, counterproductive,
• 39:39
  Speaker 11: morally confused, and I think it very bad, not just
• 39:44
  Speaker 11: for those who want peace, for the Israelis, for the
• 39:48
  Speaker 11: Guardsans themselves. It's a bad look, as you've been pointing out,
• 39:52
  Speaker 11: for Australia's national interests and particularly our security and relationship
• 39:57
  Speaker 11: with the United States in particular.
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: I want to know what you think the impact will
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: be on the Australian Jewish community, which has been through
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: hell over the past twenty two months. There's been a
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: lot of anti Semitism, as we know, are strong feelings
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  Speaker 2: that there hasn't been enough government action to crack down
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  Speaker 2: on that they feel abandoned.
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  Speaker 1: And yet now this talk of recognizing.
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  Speaker 2: A Palestinian state that we all know doesn't exist in
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  Speaker 2: any shape or form at the moment. What's the reaction
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  Speaker 2: likely to be across the community.
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  Speaker 11: Well, clearly, this is a reward for terrorism. I mean,
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  Speaker 11: this is a reward for comas. This is incentive for
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  Speaker 11: them to keep refusing the ceasefire offers, which is rather
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  Speaker 11: than most decent people want. It's clear, as Secretary Rubio
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  Speaker 11: pointed out the other day, when the French started talking
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  Speaker 11: about recognition of a Palestinian state. Haamas walked away from
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  Speaker 11: promising seasefire talks only a few weeks ago, and that's
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  Speaker 11: the pattern that's going to continue. So our community, of
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  Speaker 11: course is desperately upset that an imminence cease fire to
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  Speaker 11: save the poor hostages that are still alive and frankly
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  Speaker 11: relieved the suffering of their Gazans which is inflicted on
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  Speaker 11: them by Hamas. That that's going to continue. Of course,
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  Speaker 11: you know, in a sense Israel has been betrayed here
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  Speaker 11: by what the Australian government's done. Australia's national interest has
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  Speaker 11: been betrayed, and of course what it risks is just
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  Speaker 11: fanning the flames of hostility, racism and let's be frank
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  Speaker 11: anti Semitism, which we've seen explode over the last couple
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  Speaker 11: of years. So disappointment, but on the hand, on the hand,
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  Speaker 11: determination to plete our case in the interests of our
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  Speaker 11: community as Australians and the interest of Australia.
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  Speaker 1: And we're not going away.
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  Speaker 11: We're resilient and we'll stand up with our friends in
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  Speaker 11: the broader community to point out how wrongheaded and counterproductive
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  Speaker 11: this move by the government is. I mean, for the
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  Speaker 11: Prime Minister to actually just throw out of the window
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  Speaker 11: of the sensible preconditions that he actually announced just over
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  Speaker 11: you know, ten days or so ago. I mean, that's
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  Speaker 11: incomprehensible that he would do that and trust on the
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  Speaker 11: commitments that after a state is set up from mister
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  Speaker 11: Orbus and whoever else is in charge. Oh, yes, they
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  Speaker 11: will implement those preconditions that he's given to reform the
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  Speaker 11: Palestinian authority, to accept Israel in peace and bilateral negotiations
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  Speaker 11: alongside Israel in future peace that have give up on
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  Speaker 11: incitement to hatred and all the rest. I mean that
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  Speaker 11: really reflects undergraduate thinking and it's very dangerous.
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  Speaker 1: For us as Australia.
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  Speaker 11: But also it's not good advice in terms of what's
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  Speaker 11: unfolding in the Middle East.
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  Speaker 2: Christ indeed, it is a naive at best. Thanks so
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  Speaker 2: much for joining us again, Colin. I appreciate it. Colin Rubenstein.
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  Speaker 2: There from Ajac, we've got to get to a break.
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  Speaker 2: On the other side, I'll catch up with Gematine Union
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  Speaker 2: Caroline ur Al, so we'll talk about what's happened with
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  Speaker 2: this decision and also a bit of light light relief
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  Speaker 2: about some of the reaction.
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  Speaker 3: To this Sydney Sweeney Great Genes conversation.
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  Speaker 2: Let's getting into the panel now with gematon Uni here
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  Speaker 2: on the desk with me.
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  Speaker 1: Good to see you, Gemma. And over in the West.
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  Speaker 2: We've got Caroline der Ul So I've got to get
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  Speaker 2: onto this decision today.
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  Speaker 1: Your reaction.
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  Speaker 2: First up, Caroline to Australia chucking in its lot with Canada,
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  Speaker 2: the French and the British and saying it's going to
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  Speaker 2: recognize this non existent Palestinian state.
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  Speaker 15: Oh well, I'm disappointed, but I'm not unsurprised, you know.
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  Speaker 15: I mean, we've talked about the West has talked about
• 43:46
  Speaker 15: a two state solution for a very long time. And Chris,
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  Speaker 15: if you obviously, if you go back a long we
• 43:51
  Speaker 15: go back all the way to the mid nineteen forties
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  Speaker 15: and the Palestinians could have had their own state and
• 43:56
  Speaker 15: they were offered one, and instead of taking their own state,
• 43:59
  Speaker 15: they decided to pick a fight with their neighbors and
• 44:01
  Speaker 15: they got their backsides handed to them. So there's been
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  Speaker 15: plenty of opportunities along the way for the Palestinians to
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  Speaker 15: have their own states.
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  Speaker 10: So this is not some novel.
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  Speaker 15: Concept which France, Canada and Australia can all pat themselves
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  Speaker 15: on the backs. The problem is this time obviously we've
• 44:19
  Speaker 15: had no but this time we've got this situation where
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  Speaker 15: you've got part of those Palestinian territories that are controlled
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  Speaker 15: by a terrorist state. They're controlled by a terrorist outfit,
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  Speaker 15: and we cannot, we cannot reward them. And that is
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  Speaker 15: exactly and Mike Kelly summed it up perfectly. I was like, well,
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  Speaker 15: I don't even need to talk about this because Mike
• 44:39
  Speaker 15: said it all excellently. We're not going to get to
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  Speaker 15: a position here where something is going to work out
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  Speaker 15: that's going to be peaceful, and that is because Palestine
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  Speaker 15: doesn't want its own state. It wants to wipe Israel
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  Speaker 15: off the map.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and he's talking about how sad that's true, how
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  Speaker 2: mus And the other is the mist extremists in the
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  Speaker 2: Palestinian territories, that's.
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  Speaker 3: What they are, and they want to get rid of
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  Speaker 3: is Rather, this is the problem.
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  Speaker 2: No, I agree, of course, this is not a novel idea.
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  Speaker 2: The two state solutions genm we know that's what everybody's
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  Speaker 2: talked about, but it's been rejected so many times by
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  Speaker 2: the Palestinians.
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  Speaker 3: And we've never been further away from.
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  Speaker 2: It now, the absurdity of putting it up now before
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: you have peace, it just does my head in Well.
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  Speaker 10: It proves so many things.
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  Speaker 16: It proves that we have a government that can't be
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  Speaker 16: taken seriously.
• 45:24
  Speaker 10: We have a government and a leader.
• 45:26
  Speaker 16: I'm not going to call him a leader, an elected
• 45:27
  Speaker 16: prime minister in Anthony Alberanzi, who lies. He said there
• 45:31
  Speaker 16: would be no acknowledgment of statehood while Humus was still
• 45:34
  Speaker 16: involved and in power, while hostages were still being held,
• 45:37
  Speaker 16: while terrorists are being rewarded by the Palestinian authority under
• 45:41
  Speaker 16: their public pay for slay policy. The more you feel free,
• 45:45
  Speaker 16: if you don't know this policy, to go and look
• 45:46
  Speaker 16: it up yourself. The more Jews you kill, the more money,
• 45:50
  Speaker 16: more pension your family is paid. That is not a construct,
• 45:53
  Speaker 16: that is an actual fact. It's called pay for sleigh.
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  Speaker 16: Our government skims over the material.
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  Speaker 2: Easy today accepted and assurance that that would be ended.
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: And he called the martyrs in his own press conference.
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  Speaker 16: He's an embarrassment to this nation. And it is a
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  Speaker 16: dark day because you become the company you keep. And
• 46:10
  Speaker 16: this Prime Minister and Senator Wong and the entire Labor
• 46:13
  Speaker 16: Cohort have decided to pitch Australia's moral and ethical tent
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  Speaker 16: next to a people group, or not a people group,
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  Speaker 16: a government. You can't even call it a government. Whatever
• 46:26
  Speaker 16: it is over there, it's a hot mess. If you're
• 46:28
  Speaker 16: a woman in the in the in the forget about
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  Speaker 16: gays and minorities.
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  Speaker 10: We know what happens.
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  Speaker 16: You know is the labor gates for Palestine going to
• 46:35
  Speaker 16: go over to carn Unison and spread the good news themselves.
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  Speaker 16: But if you're a woman in the disputed Territories, Chris,
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  Speaker 16: your vote is worth half.
• 46:42
  Speaker 10: Of a man.
• 46:43
  Speaker 16: Your legal testimony is worth half of a man. Intra
• 46:46
  Speaker 16: family sexual violence is legal. If you want a divorce,
• 46:50
  Speaker 16: you can't get one. You have to pay for it.
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  Speaker 16: And that's if you're lucky enough. Let's not start talking
• 46:55
  Speaker 16: talking about honor killings.
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  Speaker 10: These are not it's not policy.
• 46:59
  Speaker 16: People need to understan and this is not policy.
• 47:00
  Speaker 10: This is identity. And when you're talking.
• 47:03
  Speaker 16: About a two state solution, this is something the West
• 47:06
  Speaker 16: has dreamed up to try and appease a people group
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  Speaker 16: who could have had their own state.
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  Speaker 10: But it is not policy, it is identity.
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  Speaker 16: One of the hostages I spoke to returned hostages in
• 47:18
  Speaker 16: December said to me that the civilian family who held her,
• 47:23
  Speaker 16: amongst other things. When I wrote about this in The
• 47:25
  Speaker 16: Australian at the time, said I don't know why you
• 47:27
  Speaker 16: Jews think that you have the right to exist. Now
• 47:29
  Speaker 16: that's obviously not every person in that region, but look
• 47:33
  Speaker 16: at what's happening over there.
• 47:35
  Speaker 10: Look at it.
• 47:36
  Speaker 16: It is this government has not graduated from university. They
• 47:40
  Speaker 16: are prepared to sacrifice Australia's moral and ethical guidelines and
• 47:46
  Speaker 16: out the core of out, which is freedom and democracy.
• 47:49
  Speaker 10: Would any single person in.
• 47:51
  Speaker 16: The current labor government go and live under the Palestinian authority?
• 47:55
  Speaker 16: And they want to legitimize They want to legitimize all.
• 48:00
  Speaker 10: Whatever it is.
• 48:00
  Speaker 16: It's not a government because there is no law. They
• 48:03
  Speaker 16: want to legitimize this. And for what for the world's
• 48:05
  Speaker 16: most embarrassing game of status anxiety?
• 48:09
  Speaker 10: Want to be in the cool.
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  Speaker 2: Kids, Well said to the both of you, a powerful
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: commentary for both of you, Gemma and Carolina.
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  Speaker 1: I appreciate it.
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  Speaker 2: It doesn't seem fitting to try and squeeze in a
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: bit of light relief with Sidney Sweeney right now, So
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: well we'll leave it there. On this historic day, as
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: I say, historically bad day when it comes to Australia's
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: to play and see. And I'll finish instead with some
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: of the messages you were still sending us directly about
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: this issue and what your feelings are.
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: I want an ansay without doubt.
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: The harbor Bridge protest on August the third was Australia's
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: day of shame.
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  Speaker 1: We failed our ally Israel.
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: And our own Jewish community, and Cow writes, what would
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: we have demanded that Anthony Albertezi do if the atrocities
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: of October the seventh had been inflicted on a group
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: of Australians on home soil with our own hostages. Taken
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: my full support to our Jewish friends who have contrued
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: we did so much to make this country great for
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: all of us. There should never be any tolerance for hatred,
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: and Bob and Sue write, our hearts are broken for
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: the suffering endured by the people of Israel and we
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: support them one hundred percent. Shame on Alban Easy, Wong
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: Burke and Ed Husick. Thanks so much for joining us
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: so much to crame in here. I'll bring you that
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: Sidney Sweeney stuff tomorrow night. Here's Steve Price hosting kredlin.