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A Look At The Sixers Offseason & The Coming Season (PST Episode 520) · The Philadelphia Sports Table | Philly Sports News & Views

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  All right, everybody, you're listening to the Philadelphia Sports Table podcast show,
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  the longest running weekly Philly sports podcast show in the world. That's right over
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  ten years strong. We got a great, great show coming your way.
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  I'm gonna be getting into some sports media talk Philadelphia Phillies seventy sixers, specifically
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  with regard to James Harden, and we got a lot more sexers talk on
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  the way with a great guest this week. I'm Jeff Warren and I'm here
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  at my good buddy Eric Leonard had Eric, howm at? How are you
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  doing? Man? I just like bumbled my words right there. Oh yeah,
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  Yo, you're right out of the gate. Worry buddy, Well,
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  it's excusable even on vacation. Yes, you're jumping right back into the show.
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  I'm in a I'm in a twilight zone nightmare. I thought I was
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  done coaching. I had baseball practice tonight and uh yeah, but I'm only
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  an assistant now, so you're still a glutton for punishment. I'm just a
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  pleab that throws batting practice and but yeah, I can never see no anybody,
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  So yeah, I'll do my best. Bud. You sent me the
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  agenda about five minutes ago, and we yea I get I get a text
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  from Eric as I am in the worst torrential downpour heading back from Ocean City,
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  Maryland. My family's still down there. I had to come back early
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  because of work and business type stuff that I just needed to attend to.
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  Over these next couple of days, worst torrential thunderstorms that I have ever driven
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  through it. We're talking like over two hours, and I get a text
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  message from this guy. He's like, hey, if you got the agenda
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  here or what? And I'm like trying not to. I'm trying not to
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  do. You're my car off the road in this torrential downpour, and I'm
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  like, yes, I'll get it to you when I get home. I'm
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  gonna be hopefully home in about twenty minutes or so. Okay, crap.
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  This is where empathy and like friendship comes into play. Yes, they're getting
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  ready for practice, going oh god, I don't feel like doing this,
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  and I'm like, where's the agenda? I just want to look at this.
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  Didn't get over it. But you know, obviously I'm you were probably
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  going through something. I'm going through something. Yes, you know, we
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  were just like I'm very kindly, where's the agenda? Yes, the show's
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  tonight. I know, so I actually meant to get the agenda to you
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  before I left, and I completely forgot. I was going to do it
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  on my iPad from down at the condo that we were staying, and I
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  completely forgot. What a terrible host, What a terrible host. Next time,
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  I want the iPad In one hand, the stream will on the other
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  hand, we do got a good show though, for you folks that we
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  got. We've got a great guest. Absolutely love having him on. Sean
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  Bernard from the Philly Sports Network. He's gonna come on a little later talk
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  about this Philadelphia seventy six team as we're in the midst of the off season,
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  and how this team is really gonna look when the regular season starts later
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  this year. Dal Moore is certainly going to be making some moves. Eric
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  and I are going to be talking about James Harden as well. What type
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  of leverage does he actually have in terms of his contract negotiations during this offseason.
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  We're going to talk about the Phillies. They're just this middling team in
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  the NL East. I think at least there's that hope that they're getting ready
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  to kind of just explode here within the division. I don't know. They're
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  currently playing the Cubs right now, the first game of this series as Eric
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  and I are recording this, But Eric, we wanted to start off talking
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  about a particular article that I had seen on awful announcing dot com. And
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  this article was titled how gen z is killing sports media as we know it.
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  Jen Zers just don't like sports that much and that's a big problem.
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  Some interesting stats from a study that recently came out, which was mentioned in
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  this article, is that to this new study, only fifty eight percent of
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  gen Zers say they enjoy live sports. Only twenty three percent of gen Zers
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  say they are passionate sports fans, compared to forty two percent of millennials,
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  thirty three percent of Gen xers, and thirty one percent of baby boomers.
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  And even more concerning within this article, twenty seven percent of gen Zers said
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  they dislike sports altogether, compared with just seven percent of millennials, five percent
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  of gen Zers, and six percent of baby boomers. So, in other
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  words, kids these days, they're not reading the sports section, they're not
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  logging onto various news articles about sports. You know, they're discussing sports basically,
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  Eric here and I think this article. I think it's interesting because you
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  know, podcasts were mentioned in this article as well, that the folks they
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  enjoy sports, but they see it in a different way. And the difference
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  is the content that is consumed differently. And you know, instead of watching
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  you know, the sports section of the newscast, you know, on your
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  local news channel. You know, people are listening to sports podcast just like
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  us, you know, And it's interesting before we hit the record button,
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  you and I are talking like, you know, at twenty years from now,
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  thirty years from now, people are people are going to be listening to
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  podcasts? Probably they probably aren't going to be. And what this article led
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  me to believe is there's just a continual evolution and progress in the way that
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  we consume the type of entertainment that we want to consume. Things evolve,
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  things progress in life, whether it's with sports, whether it's with movies.
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  How we view the content in our homes these days through streaming. Look,
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  just about everybody I know has cut cable, except for my in laws,
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  who are of course in their mid seventies. They still refuse to do it
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  for some reason. Even though we'd save them a lot of money. But
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  things change and things evolve, and I think that is one of the points
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  of this. And we talk about sports media on this podcast every now and
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  again, like to bring it up just to keep things fresh. I don't
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  know what was your perspective in terms of this article. How you know gen
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  z is just killing sports media here as we know it, buddy, I
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  mean, no one listens to this podcast that was you know, you ain't
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  just whistling Dixie. Now you said no, like, no one's you know,
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  podcast listenership is going to like decrease over time, of course it is.
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  I mean, yes, every time I read one of these articles,
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  I'm just always like, first of all, you sent it to me,
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  and I'm like, oh god, two guys in the mid forties on a
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  podcast talking about gen Zers hating sports. But I would give you a more
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  progressive take on it. It's we're the ones that have to get with it.
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  I mean, I coach youth sports. Kids like sports. It does
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  not go away. It's fun. Sports are fun. And the way they
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  intake it, the way they watch it, the way they learn how to
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  play, the way they experience it is completely different. And we gray hairs
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  have to start changing our perspective. Right. There's just no wave of we're
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  not going back the good old days of everyone's sitting around by the TV watching
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  a game in real time and we're all having the same experience whether we're ten
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  years old or eighty years old. That's done like that. That just we
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  have to get past that. And I think back to in the like late
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  eighties, when I the way I would like intake baseball, and my dad
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  would just be like, well, this is different, because I would.
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  I would experience baseball through baseball cards, baseball stickers like I would. I
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  would try to get every single team cup at the Slushy like the Slushy Cup
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  like I took baseball in in a much different way and Eric real quick.
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  I would listen to Harry Callis's voice on my boom bo in my bedroom as
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  I was like going to bed. Okay, but you and I bought it
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  over that I did this thing. I would actually record games and listen to
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  the same game for an entire week and then record another game. It's to
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  tell my son that is beyond preposterous, right, but he loves baseball and
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  basketball and soccer. Just as much as any sport I used to love when
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  I was his age. He takes it in though he plays video games.
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  He talks to his friends about it, He watches YouTube like he experiences sports
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  through YouTube, not necessarily through like live events, live games that'll never go
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  away. I'll say that right now. I actually like live sports in person
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  in a stadium or an arena that will never go away. But just the
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  way they take it in in the social media era. I just I read
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  that article and I just like the picture number one is just hilarious. It's
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  a bunch of gen Z kids with the mullets in the weird shades and they're
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  going yeah, and you're just like, okay, clickbait, right, But
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  again it's just this weird. Like I said before the show, it's like
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  even even a podcast ten years from now is going to be like what what's
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  a podcast? Like what? Yeah, just like can't I just like,
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  what do you mean you can't just like think your thoughts and they go out
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  into the world and people everyone else can hear them, right, you know,
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  like when we get to that point the chips in our heads. But
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  like I don't know, like just the way we experience sports now, and
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  then you also have to think like social media and technology, well technology absolutely,
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  if you don't mind, I want to piggyback off that really quick.
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  I'm not sure if you, as some folks may know out there, I
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  am a huge Apple nerd, like in terms of having imax and iPhones,
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  iPads, like, I'm a huge Apple guy. And every single time that
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  there's some sort of an announcement or their keynote, I am watching it.
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  Actually the day of as it is going live. This past uh just a
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  couple weeks ago that Apple had their WWDC Worldwide Developer Conference keynote, I watched
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  it, and there was the moment when the Apple the Apple VR headset,
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  I forget what's called Apple Vision Pro, when they debuted that they're debuting what
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  it is, what it's going to be. But then they had Bob Eiger,
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  who as you all may know, is the CEO of Disney, came
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  out on the stage as well to talk about how Disney and Apple are going
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  to be working together to enhance entertainment experiences. Eric and I'm not sure if
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  you actually saw this, but they actually talked about the sports experience through the
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  actual VR headset and in the imagery of what was in front of you was
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  incredible. How you are actually at the game, you are courtside watching the
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  Sixers or watching whatever team you want to watch, and things that are things
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  that are coming up along the sides of it, like banners of certain players
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  their stats. Just it was an incredible individual experience, making you feel as
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  though you were right there at the game. So from a technology standpoint,
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  that's of course where it is going. And I think because of that individual
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  like perception of what the game means to that person at that time and how
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  you can curate what type of content within the game matters to you, is
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  going to enhance the sports watching experience even that much more. And I thought
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  it was an incredible presentation into what the future could actually be for the sports
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  world. Just for a brief maybe ten seconds within the Apple keynote, I
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  was like, Oh my god, sports is going to be phenomenal to watch
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  with this VR headset once it's affordable for everybody. Yeah, but okay,
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  so I'll dress that and then I'll go back to the technology side. So
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  I saw that and I read all about it. You know, I'm in
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  text, So people ask me like what do you think about it? And
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  I was like, it's incredible, he is, and it's the technology that
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  I'll never actually be able to wrap my head around. But I'll get sentimental
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  for a second. Nothing's going to beat me taking my son to a Sixers
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  game and looking over and watching him experience it, like no no VR headsets
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  ever going to unless it brainwashes me with brainworms or some shit. To actually
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  watch him, like I took him to a game two years ago and he's
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  always told me the best night of his life. Yea, and that can't
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  be replaced. Right, So I love you, Bob, I actually don't
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  love you at all, but I like your sentiment. But it's just it's
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  just not it's just not reality when it comes to real moments of watching sports
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  with someone you love. Baseball game, you can feel the sun on your
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  face like that, Like that's just I don't I don't care what he says.
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  Right, I want a hot warm you logger in my hand and left
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  field at a Phillis game. You can't. You can't do that, dude.
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  You ain't gonna coffee that. You can't make that happen. But I'll
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  go back to like reality here and being a little progressive. It's like we
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  do have to we have to realize as we get older, and I'm around
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  a lot of adults who talk down to kids, and it drives me crazy.
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  I never do that to kids because I'm always like, I'm a fossil.
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  You guys are the future. Like I'm going to coach you. Yeah,
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  But however you experience sports, it's fine with me. I always have
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  parents do my suddenly plays video games and for baseball, who doesn't watch it?
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  That's fine. I don't care rights baseball. I don't give a shit
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  how he does he understand the game? You know what I mean? Does
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  he get what the game is? Is he coming out here on the field
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  and playing there? All? Right? Then there you go. Doesn't matter
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  to me. As long as they're actually trying and playing the sport. That's
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  all. That's all I care about. We also have to realize we have
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  to get more progressive in our heads because as the technology grows exponentially, so
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  does the so does the difference in time where we have to like, like
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  the advancement advancements in technology are going so fast. Yeah, like ten years
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  turns into five turns into one, turns into a month. It's that fucking
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  fast that technology is going. And if as us geezers ignore it and just
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  be like, Nope, we got to hold onto this, Nope, we
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  can't. If we do, we're like, we will be eighty years old
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  by the time we're fifty if we don't catch up. As like as as
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  this, I can only speak for gen X, right, you know,
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  I see gen X people now, I'm just like, you are embarrassing.
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  I know, like, do you remember how you were in the nineties,
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  but O Kirk Cobain and we're gonna know, like you're you might as well
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  be ninet years It might be my parents' age at this point. Like that's
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  that's on it. I just read that article. I'm like, oh,
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  it's one of these Yeah, oh god, I guess what we need.
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  We need to change, not them. They're the ones that are dictating how
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  we go forward. So absolutely I completely agree with you on it. Look,
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  you know, we we get to a certain age and I think for
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  some reason, innately, the majority of people, not all of not all
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  of us, but the majority of people just kind of stop in terms of
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  what their understanding is with the world. Eric last month, in the month
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  of May twenty twenty three, I tried for the first time chat GPT and
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  I was like, oh my god, this is amazing, And guess what
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  I'm going to utilize it. I am going to continue to utilize it in
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  a way that I can that is appropriate ethical, whether it's for my business
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  or for other aspects of my life. I am going to use it because
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  that is going to be a foundation of something else down the road that we
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  may not just know that is coming at this point. Like you said,
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  whether you know whether the technology is coming at us so rapidly and whether or
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  not we are able to embrace it. It correlates into entertainment. It correlates
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  into sports as well, something that we have to continue to keep our wrap
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  our heads, I should say, around what it is to really understand where
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  the technology is going, because if we do, we're still going to enjoy
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  sports in the end. You know, like you said, nothing is ever
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  going to take away go into the actual venue and actually be in there with
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  your loved ones, or whether it's yourself taken in a game at Citizens Bank
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  Park or at the Wells Fargo Center, wherever it is. Nothing's ever going
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  to replace it. But we have to keep up with the technology if we're
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  going to continue to enjoy sports through various sports media. I mean, for
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  me, that seems like common sense. I know for other people it might
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  not be in It might be difficult for people to change because inevitably, that's
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  what we're talking about here. People innately do not like change. But it's
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  got to happen. It's gonna happen for people a little more rapidly, I
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  think. Correct. All right, that's it. I was taking a sip
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  of my drink. No, No, you're absolutely right. Like again,
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  I I'm surrounded by even some of my assistant coaches talk about like talk about
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  like old the way it used to be in sports, and I'm just like,
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  God, like, dude, your your kids, your kids nine or
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  ten, Like, how do you how do you even like relate to him?
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  Yeah? Seriously, that's the weird thing too. I'm always like struck
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  by parents who don't who don't like abide by this or take it in.
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  And I'm just like, you're how are you going to talk to your kid
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  when he's twenty and you're fifty, like you might again, you might be
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  one hundred and they're ten years old, exactly. That's how fast everything's moving.
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  And if we don't keep up, I'm trying, dude. I mean,
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  I work in tech, and I'm even I'm like, oh my god,
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  like my so much is stuff on YouTube. I'm like, oh my
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  god, I just want to bash a new window. But but it's the
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  way he takes in, It's the way he takes in the news, sports,
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  the whole thing, and I can't ignore it, right, It's rageous.
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  Yeah, or I might as well just like go lay in my bed
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  and just sleep until I'm gone. Exactly. Yeah, really quick. Yeah,
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  with regard to this article too, because they did mention the Athletic and
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  what has been going on there with the recent layoffs with certain beat reporters and
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  just you know, not covering of certain teams. Like just like five years
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  ago, the Athletic was just the new thing in sports writing and sports content.
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  It was it was, It was fantastic. I got my subscription right
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  away. I loved it. There was no advertisements, no pop ups,
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  none of that shit at all. They were just they were awash and venture
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  capital money. The company. The company just rapidly expanded its news rooms,
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  moving into nearly fifty markets and just covering hundreds and hundreds of teams. Now
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  we're to point five years later where they had to lay people off because of
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  what we're talking about, the changing landscape of how people are absorbing their content
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  from a sports perspective. It's not that these reporters weren't any good. Athletic
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  reporters are fucking fantastic. They are incredible in terms of their reporting, how
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  they actually write and and and yes they did. They launched on a promise
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  to restore real sports journalism. They did that. I'd give like Ken Rosenthal
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  and everything that he did with that site all the credit in the world.
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  But after five years we're here at this point. Seriously, in ten twenty
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  years, the athletic probably isn't going to be around it. If it is
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  now, it's probably not gonna be the most relevant. Now. We've talked
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  about this about this on the show a bunch of times. Like the advent
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  of social media and like the different the amount of voices that are out there,
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  it actually brings out really cool voices that probably would not have got a
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  lot of giant back in the day. Like we talked um the our Phillies
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  people are just incredible. You know, Um, but you also you open
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  the door to the morons and the idiots to name them, but and and
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  and they they kind of they kind of sour the the people like the people
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  at the athletic who have legit like thirty forty years of experience doing this stuff.
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  And one thing I don't like about the and this, I mean this
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  happens with every generation. The new generation always like looks at the old one,
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  goes, who needs you? We We're the new one, right.
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  It's like, well, but you kind of suck. Like I get that
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  you're new and your younger voice and you're a little more boisterous about things,
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  you have more opinions, but guess what, you don't have the reporting experience.
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  You don't have the knowledge. And sometimes and I'm sure I sound old
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  right now, but um you you you you open yourself up to just shitty
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  shitty coverage ye like, and you don't even talk about the sports anymore.
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  And I but again, like that's that's on you as the viewer or the
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  intaker of the the social media or the technology is like you have to like
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  pick and choose, like who do you think is valid? Like who's who?
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  Who is your likes your next generation athletic people. Yeah. Yeah,
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  but as we know, there are so many shitty ones out there and we
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  do, we do, and there's so many good ones too. That the
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  next athletic individual is going to be out there and they're going to be providing
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  the content to us in whatever way it is going to be, whether it's
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  video, whether it's written, whatever the case is. You know, there's
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  always something new on the horizon, so we'd we'd love to know what your
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  thoughts are out there. Philadelphia Sports Table at gmail dot com. We would
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  at Jeffrey Underscore, Warren in the show at Philadelphia st We are going to
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  take a break right now, and we're going to be back in just a
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  bit talk about the Phillies and the Philadelphia seventy Sixers. Stick with us,
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  we'll be right back, all right, folks, We are back, Eric
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  and I are going to be getting into this Phillies team. What's happening here
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  in this NL least. And also we're gonna talking about James Harden and what
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  his situation looks like with the Sixers or maybe even without the Sixers. And
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  we got a great guest, great interview. It's what we're throwing down on
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  the table this week. Even more Sixers talk with Sean Bernard. So Eric,
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  let's get into this Phillies team here again. A middling team, as
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  we like to say and have said throughout this season, because that's what they've
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  been, a middling team in the NL East. Look, I am so
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  incredibly happy the Mets have taken a huge shit and just completely imploded at this
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  point in the season. I don't know how from a mental standpoint they kind
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  of get back into the swing of things within the division itself, but man,
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  the Marlins are still making a lot of noise. Their second in the
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  division. They they just won't go away. They will not have a significant
• 23:07
  loosing streak at all. It's amazing what the Marlins are doing. And right
• 23:11
  now as we're playing this, we're playing this, as we're recording this,
• 23:15
  the Phillies are playing the Chicago Cubs first game of that series. When you
• 23:19
  hear this podcast, they're going to be concluding the series against the Cubs and
• 23:25
  starting the next series against the Nationals. Here, the bats need a lot
• 23:29
  more consistency for the Phillies. We are seeing some consistent bats with this first
• 23:33
  game against the Cubs here Ranger Suarez pitching a great game, but again coming
• 23:40
  down to them not taking advantage of opportunities runners in scoring position. Again is
• 23:45
  a theme with this Phillies team where they just cannot seem to get over the
• 23:48
  hump. It's incredible. The lack of consistency with the talent that they have
• 23:53
  on this roster, Eric is incredible. And there's still a middling team here,
• 24:00
  but I think they're I get that feeling that we're gonna have that explosion
• 24:03
  at some point here in the near future. I don't know that's what That's
• 24:06
  what I'm thinking here with the Cubs and the Gnats. I don't know where
• 24:07
  are you at with this team right now? Nah? I mean seriously,
• 24:12
  I mean the Braves are the clear favorite, so absolutely really damn good.
• 24:18
  Um. I was struck by my dad never watched his baseball. I went
• 24:25
  over to his house last Friday because he turned seventy three. He finally watched.
• 24:29
  Uh. He's one of those guys like, you know, the sports
• 24:30
  are too political. Yeah, and he gave up for a while, but
• 24:36
  he was like, yo, I was like, I'm gonna I'm gonna check
• 24:38
  in with the Phillies Braves and I want to watch the series. And he
• 24:42
  was like, turn it on. He had no clue what was going on,
• 24:45
  like like where the standings were, and he's like, I guess the
• 24:48
  Phillies won one and he saw the standings like we're eight games out after when
• 24:53
  and that kind of told me everything I need to know. It's like,
• 24:56
  oh, yeah, they're just kind of just kind of hanging you know,
• 25:00
  uh, not onlike last year. But this team does not have the feel
• 25:03
  of last year at all. Um. The starting pitching is just they're use
• 25:08
  the term middling. That's just kind of where they are. Like there are
• 25:11
  three games over five hundred right now. Um, the Marlins are hot,
• 25:15
  which you know when you when you have what how many Top ten picks for
• 25:19
  what thirty years in a row? Yeah, it would be good eventually.
• 25:22
  Um, Trey Turner has been a little, not a little, he's been
• 25:26
  He's been a not great, not fun to watch this year. I mean,
• 25:32
  um, but honestly, the pitching is the big aspect of this.
• 25:34
  It's just not working out. Um, Aaron Nola another one of those seasons
• 25:38
  where you're like, is he an ace? Do we? Uh? Do
• 25:41
  we? Is a an al Teimer? Do we throw him a ship ton
• 25:44
  of money at the next contract? I know he's up there this year.
• 25:48
  It's it's amazing. It's his value has dropped dramatically. He needs to go
• 25:55
  to the school of h my god, like who are the all time?
• 26:00
  Like finally year their contract guys. There's a lot of NBA guys it used
• 26:04
  to do that all the time, like have one awesome you know, at
• 26:07
  the end of their contract for the one he's going the opposite direction. He's
• 26:11
  like, I have I have a contract coming up, and I'm gonna shit
• 26:15
  the bed, you know with the hell Um, not the way to go,
• 26:18
  my opinion. But uh, um, just Zach Wheeler has been been
• 26:22
  hand like just the whole team. Like and we talked at the end of
• 26:26
  the year like if Nick castellanis is a big year, We're we're gonna be
• 26:30
  in good shape guys, and he is. But uh no, I don't
• 26:34
  think we knew that. Uh, I mean we all knew that, you
• 26:40
  know, uh that Schoreber was gonna you know, maybe kind of have a
• 26:42
  step back think three Yeah, thanks right, one eighty one, um with
• 26:51
  a with an ops of seven fifty four not good. Alec Bohm is just
• 26:56
  gonna after a hot start, just to just you know, I know it's
• 27:00
  only h I was about to make a joke of I know it's only June,
• 27:04
  but it's almost like All Star break so yeah, um yeah, it's
• 27:08
  just they're not a fun team to watch, and they were fun to watch
• 27:12
  last year. Um, just I don't know, there's not much to say
• 27:17
  about them. It's it's remember all those years like we would try and we
• 27:22
  would on the show we try and stretch the Phillies talk were trying to figure
• 27:26
  out like okay, what it's the dead of summer. Um, there's eagles,
• 27:30
  there's no free agency. The Sixers are kind of, you know,
• 27:33
  doing nothing. Um, let's just stretch that that Phillies talk, and we're
• 27:37
  just like, yeah, um, you know, stop not bad, Like
• 27:45
  I feel like that's Whate're out with the Phillies right now. It's such a
• 27:47
  letdown. Yeah, it's such a letdown after a World Series appearance, and
• 27:51
  and and in a year where, my god, even if them going to
• 27:55
  the playoffs was a big deal last year, just getting in was a big
• 27:59
  deal. It's like, all right, I'm like, yeah, after you
• 28:03
  know, what seemed like three hundred years, they're in the playoffs finally,
• 28:07
  and then oh my gosh, they're winning series after series after series. Holy
• 28:12
  shit, they're going to the World Series. My god, you know.
• 28:15
  And then with the way the Eagles were playing at that point as well,
• 28:18
  you know, there was just that feeling in the city. And that's what
• 28:22
  I'm missing as a fan. I'm missing that feeling. And I know that
• 28:26
  magic really did start to happen for the Phillies toward the latter part of twenty
• 28:32
  twenty two season. I know that I get that, but I'm missing that
• 28:36
  feeling because at the end of the day, you look yes on paper This
• 28:40
  team is absolutely stacked, and they should be competitive with the Atlanta Braves.
• 28:45
  There is absolutely no reason they shouldn't be competitive. But why the chemistry and
• 28:49
  why the inconsistencies persist and remain. I have no idea. Nobody has any
• 28:53
  answer to it. I mean, if Rob Thompson had an answer for it,
• 28:57
  we know, and he'd be making some other perhaps lineup decisions or when
• 29:02
  it comes to bullpen usage, you have some you have some answers for us
• 29:06
  here, but we don't. I think it's that feeling from last year still
• 29:11
  that we are absolutely craving with this team, and even though they look fantastic
• 29:15
  on paper, they're just playing average type of baseball in the grand scheme of
• 29:22
  things. And it's just that I think that is what's really leading to the
• 29:25
  disappointment and where they're at right now because they're still very much in contention for
• 29:29
  a wildcard spot. They're they're in contention for that, of course, but
• 29:33
  just coming off the World Series still and I understand, folks, it's we're
• 29:37
  at the end of June early July here. I understand it's like, okay,
• 29:41
  enough about the World Series, but there still is that feeling in a
• 29:45
  lot of fans hearts about what last season actually meant to us, And I
• 29:49
  think there's something to be said for that. Eric. I think the difference
• 29:52
  is we don't have Bryce Elder or Spencer Strider starting pitching. Yeah for the
• 29:59
  Paves. We don't have Ronald Lacuna who's just destroying the ball. We don't
• 30:02
  have that young Miami team just just stacked dude, like they you got Alvarez
• 30:07
  de la Cruz, like the Hojorey Seller is having a great year. Yeah,
• 30:12
  there's a lot of there's a lot of good narratives in the least and
• 30:17
  the Phillies don't have a single one. That's probably the like the like the
• 30:19
  saddest piece of it. Like I was, Bryce Harper's return was supposed to
• 30:23
  be like the big like boom and he's having a good year, right,
• 30:26
  and the combination of him, Castellana's having a back a comeback year, and
• 30:30
  Trey Turner being at the top of the lineup that was supposed to be like,
• 30:34
  man if Harper comes back, man we got a good squad pitching is
• 30:38
  there? The bullpens in place? And it's just not there. But I'll
• 30:42
  say this, I'll try to end this on a positive note. We didn't
• 30:47
  think they were there last year either, right at all? Like the point
• 30:49
  I remember last two and last it was kind of pathetic, you know,
• 30:52
  we were again that that there's nothing worse on this podcast, dude. Then
• 30:57
  after the Sixers like free and see in the draft and the Eagles aren't really
• 31:02
  doing anything and fuck the Flyers, my god, who cares? But like,
• 31:07
  but all we have to do is like focus on the Phillies and we're
• 31:10
  doing top three lists like the craziest NFL injuries, like like we're just trying
• 31:15
  to make shit up for the show, like the Philly When the Phillies are
• 31:18
  like just kind of like dwindling, not doing much, this shows us this
• 31:22
  is shows a stretch and that's where they are right now. It can be
• 31:26
  a slog, yeah, a bit of a slog. Yeah, that's when
• 31:30
  Jeff texts me like, okay, uh, what do you think we're Stoner's
• 31:36
  got a new ideas? That is some of my favorite stuff, Like just
• 31:41
  well you got a good top three list, Philly five. Good way to
• 31:48
  end that discussion. Let us know what you're thinking about with this Phillies team.
• 31:51
  Are they gonna get it together? Philadelphia Sports Table at gmail dot com.
• 31:55
  We'd love to read your email here on the show and respond to it.
• 31:59
  All right, well, let's get into now, let's get into James
• 32:02
  Harden Eric here, because he really is the story. But I'm sorry,
• 32:07
  we have to. I know it's on the agenda's topic, but oh my
• 32:13
  god, again, and I was gonna say again, is something we're just
• 32:15
  kind of pulling out of pulling out of the air. Okay, James Harden
• 32:20
  is a hot topic right now in Philly sports. What's he gonna do?
• 32:22
  Blah blah blah blah blah. But really, I mean, at the end
• 32:24
  of the day, there was nothing to do. I have been used to
• 32:28
  every year us doing the podcast after the NBA draft, and there's that excitement.
• 32:34
  There's that excitement that we have had in the past. Yes, even
• 32:37
  when Mark l Foltz was drafted. Eric, we would get on this podcast,
• 32:42
  we'd get in front of these mics, and we'd be pretty excited.
• 32:45
  This was like the first year and Leonard and I were talking about it on
• 32:47
  the pod last week. The lack of just excitement of where we are with
• 32:52
  the Sixers team right now, and a lot of that is because they didn't
• 32:54
  have their first round pick, which they lost last year when they acquired James
• 32:59
  Harden. The second round pick was taken away from him by the NBA for
• 33:02
  the tampering. And it all comes down to what James Harden is going to
• 33:07
  do. And it's sad and it's pathetic, it really is, because,
• 33:10
  like what leverage does he actually have with regard to his contract negotiations? And
• 33:15
  that's what we wanted to really get into here because like for me, looking
• 33:22
  at and seeing articles and reading and just digesting some content about the fact that
• 33:27
  this gentleman wants to be paid a supermax contract in the neighborhood of what four
• 33:30
  years for two hundred and ten million dollars? Like what leverage does he have
• 33:37
  in order to get that in Philadelphia? Aside from the fact that Daryl Morey
• 33:42
  does love him, you know, but from a financial standpoint and from a
• 33:45
  logical and reasonable standpoint given the fact that he's thirty four years old this August,
• 33:51
  he has lost how many steps now at this point, He's had injury
• 33:53
  issues the last three season, last three seasons and years he's a he's ball
• 34:00
  dominant. I mean, he's even recently hinted that he wants to have the
• 34:04
  ball more and have more control over the offense. Eric and then on the
• 34:08
  contrary, Nick Nurse has publicly stated that he wants more team ball movement and
• 34:15
  less one on one type of play, So that that should be interesting to
• 34:19
  watch if James Harden does come back to Philly. So, like, I
• 34:22
  wonder what type of leverage James Harden actually thinks he has to get a supermax
• 34:27
  contract. Meanwhile, I'm thinking, okay, if they really do want him,
• 34:30
  seems like a two year deal maybe in between like thirty and thirty five
• 34:36
  million. I mean, that might be doable. But a supermax contract for
• 34:39
  who James Harden his right now and what he has really given this team over
• 34:45
  the past one and a half seasons, Like, I don't know, man,
• 34:49
  like he can he can say bye bye as far as I'm concerned he
• 34:52
  can at this point, because I just don't think the guy has the leverage
• 34:57
  to be demanding a supermax contract at this point. Don't know, what are
• 35:00
  your thoughts here? So the Nick Nurse comments did strike me because the one
• 35:08
  thing we did discount I think by the end of the year, because we
• 35:12
  watched him just melt down. He had those two incredible games against the Celtics,
• 35:16
  but we also forget how atrocious he was in Game seven, in Game
• 35:22
  six or a Game five, and but the one thing he did really well,
• 35:29
  he was an awesome pastor this year and he was one of the assists
• 35:31
  leaders in the NBA. I'm looking at a stat right now. High value
• 35:36
  assists is kind of a newer, newer metric, and he was actually fourth
• 35:40
  overall last year at nine point six high value assists, which is three point
• 35:44
  rim and free throw assists. And he actually kind of did He did kind
• 35:49
  of step away from that role of being a bald dominant guard and did actually
• 35:53
  play the guard spot pretty well as a passer. So he does have that
• 35:58
  capability. So I think Nick Nurse was kind of speaking to that in case
• 36:00
  he does come back. But what does strike me though, is that,
• 36:06
  um, he I don't think he hasn't in him to do it all the
• 36:08
  time, and especially he can do in the regular season. Regular season NBA
• 36:13
  basketball is a completely different monster than the playoffs. During the season, you
• 36:17
  can do that, but when it comes down to it, and he watched
• 36:21
  it, if he didn't have that game won against the Celtics and they lose
• 36:24
  him like five games. We're sitting here going James Harden is the worst basketball
• 36:28
  player of all time. I don't want every want to see him again.
• 36:30
  But he had a game one and but he couldn't. He couldn't get back
• 36:35
  to If you can't score, you can't get back to the ten assist James
• 36:38
  Harden against a really good defensive Celtics team and you just can't. You can't
• 36:44
  combine regular season with playoff basketball if you're a James Harden, after you've lost,
• 36:49
  like I mean, you say, lost a step, ten steps,
• 36:52
  I think he's lost. Yeah, don't anymore, I'm sure. But what
• 36:59
  I will say on four uh, in James Harden's defense is that you talk
• 37:04
  about leverage, he actually has all the leverage because he held this team hostage,
• 37:09
  as he's done every team. And this is kind of the new thing
• 37:14
  in the superstar era, is that players can force their teams to trade not
• 37:20
  only themselves, but also all of their prospects, all their draft capital for
• 37:25
  that player. And once you're stuck with that player and you have in you,
• 37:30
  you like it's it's you. They're all gone. It's just in a
• 37:34
  weight like it's an oasis, like everything's all of your draft picks, all
• 37:37
  of your capital's gone. You actually have all the leverage as a player because
• 37:40
  Daryl Morey has nothing to trade to get you out of town. I got
• 37:45
  you, So now you now he actually has all the leverage to resign because
• 37:50
  what's more, you're gonna do let him walk, Like, what are you
• 37:52
  going to bring in? You can't trade them, you can't sign and trade
• 37:55
  them. Um, once he decided the fact that he's kind of sting on
• 38:00
  his player option right now tells me everything I need to know that he thinks
• 38:02
  he has the leverage because Creations is gonna is gonna like fly by, and
• 38:08
  by the time he's like now he's gonna work, he's not gonna work.
• 38:13
  There's no one else to sign with the with the money you're gonna say by
• 38:16
  not signing a James Harden. So I'm sure he loves Daryl Morey. Daryl
• 38:21
  Morey obviously loves him. I got it. I'm sure that I'm surprising to
• 38:23
  make out when he got off the plane to Philly. Um. But unfortunately
• 38:30
  in the Superstar era, he has all the leverage because now Maury has to
• 38:34
  resign him because what else is he gonna do. He's gonna wait six days
• 38:37
  in the free agency. He's gonna sign what Jeremy Grant for one hundred and
• 38:40
  fifty million dollars. And that's where that's where in the NBA is at right
• 38:45
  now. And I love this league. But unfortunately, the likes of James
• 38:50
  Harden, who not a likable person. Let's just let's just say it,
• 38:55
  right, and but he, he unfortunately has all the leverage and Darryl Morey
• 39:00
  has almost zero. And that's that's the state of the NBA. And it's
• 39:05
  my favorite sport, my favorite league. But that's that's what it's come to.
• 39:08
  It sucks because he has taken a step back. It just boggles my
• 39:13
  mind. I understand what you're saying. I completely get it, and I
• 39:16
  know that that is the case, but it does boggle my mind that a
• 39:21
  player like him, who over such a long period of time has been one
• 39:28
  of the NBA greats. I mean, look, he's made a ton of
• 39:31
  money in his career. He was named one of the top seventy five greatest
• 39:35
  players in NBA history. The ring is the only thing missing from his resume
• 39:39
  basically at this point, but he has taken how many steps back, like
• 39:45
  we have said, And it boggles my mind that he can say, yeah,
• 39:49
  you're gonna have to sign me, or you know, you're gonna have
• 39:53
  to sign James hard what he'll sign somewhere that he went, you will decisures,
• 40:00
  don't do it. He'll make money somewhere. And that's how the lead
• 40:02
  works. It sucks because like I would think he'd want to I don't know.
• 40:07
  I think he'd want to try for the Ring at this point. But
• 40:09
  it's James Harden. It doesn't matter to him. Probably, you know,
• 40:14
  next year when we're in the dulgrum of the Phillies five hundred season again.
• 40:17
  Yeah, here's a good list, top three NBA players of all time that
• 40:23
  the Ring wasn't that big of a deal. That's a great list. Why
• 40:29
  don't we do it in a couple of weeks from now? Exactly, you're
• 40:31
  right where the Phillies are, like forty or forty five and forty like that.
• 40:38
  Yeah, let's do that list. Because James Harden's playing number one.
• 40:43
  We'll know where he's at by then. He might be the only guy in
• 40:46
  the list, honestly, Yeah, I mean, yeah, so maybe Westbrook's
• 40:50
  on that list too, but that that was the saddest thing too. By
• 40:53
  the way, the draft was last week. It's my favorite draft. I
• 40:57
  love the NBA Draft. I was so into it. And it's the first
• 41:00
  year. So I think somebody posted on Twitter a white board of the sixers
• 41:05
  like draft stuff, and it was like blank. Ye I was like literally
• 41:09
  nothing on. I'm like, holy shit, Like and I said a couple
• 41:13
  of weeks ago, we should really do a two hour breakdown of the process
• 41:17
  because we're well passed at this point. I think once and be like leaves
• 41:22
  Town, which you probably will in the next two years. Um, that's
• 41:25
  when we really have to do it. But like that was another like that
• 41:30
  was another sign of like, oh my god, this is really over.
• 41:32
  Yeah, now we're talking about James Harden and signing a two million down.
• 41:36
  I'm like, oh my god, this is this is this is your nightmare
• 41:37
  scenario. This is where we didn't want to be. And um, but
• 41:42
  I can I just say besides hard and have all the leverage and close us
• 41:45
  out here. Oh my god. Okay, so we have we have another
• 41:51
  player on the last year of his deal, and we got Toby Harris,
• 41:54
  who's just just that guy like, so, like, you're probably that guy
• 42:01
  in our friend group, right, he just kind of hangs just you know,
• 42:04
  he's just always kind of there. Who yeah, yeah, like like
• 42:07
  well, like I don't contribute much. Yeah, I mean David and Len
• 42:10
  we're friends. And then Jeff he's just kind of appeared. Oh there's that
• 42:14
  guy that's Steve's roommate. Shit, yeah it's Jeff. Dave's like, oh,
• 42:20
  he's a good dude. And it's like there's to be Harris like oh
• 42:22
  yeah, what's up man, hey doing? And by the time you realize,
• 42:27
  you're like, oh my, he's been here fucking ever with the and
• 42:31
  then to top it off, and the last year was contract. His dad
• 42:36
  chimes in on Twitter and goes, why would you're not using my son who's
• 42:38
  in a complete assassin on offense? He's an assassin scorer. Is he's the
• 42:47
  same guy that average twelve points against the Celtics and the semi component. Really
• 42:52
  that that's that's your son, right, that's the assassin. You're talking a
• 42:55
  guy who played for forty two minutes and scored two scored two points in this
• 43:01
  playoffs. He is he is the all time the past five years guy that
• 43:07
  my, my, my brother and my my, my best friend Macra.
• 43:09
  We were big Sixers guys like we text like by the fourth quarter we text
• 43:14
  each other. Tobias Harris four points like he's just that guy, Like,
• 43:19
  what the has he? Is he on the court? What the hell happened?
• 43:22
  Right? Is he in a uniformed? Is he injured? Like he's
• 43:25
  the all time? And for his dad to do that, of course you
• 43:29
  have to. If my son was on the Sixers, I'd be like Darrell
• 43:32
  resoing him, of course, but like, my god, I just that
• 43:36
  was my favorite part of the Sixers off season, which is pretty sad because
• 43:38
  they haven't done shit. Right man, you just compared me to Tobias Harris.
• 43:44
  I'm sorry I didn't. Man, how my dad call you guys?
• 43:49
  Then he won't, he won't remember it. That's good though. It's better
• 43:54
  right man? Oh boy, that one's gonna stick with me for a little
• 44:00
  bit. I'm the Tobias Harris of our group. I can't wait to text
• 44:05
  all the guys I just called you that in the show Man days. Gonna
• 44:08
  give me a thumbs up? Good call? Oh man? All right,
• 44:15
  hold on, who's Mike then? Should be? H Mike? I know
• 44:19
  this is super inside, but like, yeah, who's Mike. He hasn't
• 44:22
  been in our group for years? Is he Hanky? Is he like?
• 44:27
  Is he just like, No, he's not Hanky. Yeah, because hanky
• 44:30
  you put it all together. Yeah, yeah, No, he's not Hanky.
• 44:32
  He would probably be who Ish Smith maybe maybe actually no, you know
• 44:42
  what, you know what he's he's very Ben Simmons ish. You know what
• 44:45
  I mean, given some given us some good stuff. You're giving us some
• 44:50
  good stuff for years. Potential is always there. And then would you say
• 44:55
  a complete kuk? And then yeah, and then turned into like the complete
• 44:59
  kuk and just oh my gosh, what happened to this guy? Like what
• 45:01
  what? Like what the hell happened to him? And then we just don't
• 45:06
  and then he's just out of our lives. Jeff, great call, thank
• 45:09
  ye, wait to bring it back. Nice. You're not the device Harris
• 45:14
  anymore? Oh, thank you, thank you. Yeah, you're you're you're
• 45:19
  your your Curry. I'm fine with that, all right, fine Jesus,
• 45:24
  all right, buddy, I'll let you go here. And for this that
• 45:28
  was a fun discussion. Serius. I was like, I'm gonna go to
• 45:30
  bed tonight with tears in my eyes after that one. Follow it, go
• 45:37
  ahead and what is it? Good night to Bias good odd jeez. Follow
• 45:40
  Eric on Twitter at brick Pollit. We're gonna take a break here, let
• 45:45
  him go. We got more Sixers talk on the way. Stick with us.
• 45:50
  We'll be right back. All right, folks, we are back.
• 45:53
  More Sixers talk coming your way right now about what we can expect this off
• 45:58
  season and what this regular season look like in terms of talent on this team.
• 46:01
  It's what we're throwing down on the table and now on the table to
• 46:08
  get into this Philadelphia seventy Sixers off season. We have a great guest with
• 46:13
  us this week. You can find him on Twitter at Sewan Underscore Bernard one.
• 46:16
  He is a great, great follow love having him on the podcast.
• 46:21
  Sean Buddy, thanks so much for joining us here. There's a lot to
• 46:23
  get into with regard to this Sixers team. Man. Yeah, absolutely,
• 46:28
  it's gonna be back on here. I'm gonna be chatting again. And yeah,
• 46:30
  even though we are in the kickoff of the dead season. In the
• 46:32
  off season, it feels like the Sixers cannot stop finding themselves in the mixer,
• 46:37
  at least in the news. So at least we got stuff to talk
• 46:38
  about exactly. My co host Eric and I we just got done talking about
• 46:42
  the Sixers from a leverage standpoint with James Harden, which we're gonna get into
• 46:46
  right off the bat. But first and foremost, I know you've done some
• 46:49
  work over at the Philly Sports Network in terms of your Sixers writing. But
• 46:52
  where else can folks find you? Out there on the internets? Yeah,
• 46:55
  a little bit of everywhere. So you can follow me on Twitter at Sean
• 46:59
  Underscoreburn one, I run Pickspop Media, so he can check that out.
• 47:01
  On YouTube, we do a ton of good stuff over there. I got
• 47:05
  some Phillies and Egos stuff popping out as well as from General College NBA.
• 47:07
  And then check me out on Fox one or two five the Gambler as well,
• 47:09
  so involved in a ton of their social media and just throughout the week
• 47:14
  popping on the airways whenever I get a chance. So it's a ton of
• 47:16
  good stuff going down on their YouTube channel and their radio airwaves as well,
• 47:20
  doing a lot of good stuff, showing a lot of great content. So
• 47:22
  let's get into this Philadelphia seventy six Ers off season. As I mentioned,
• 47:28
  my co host and I Eric, we were just talking about the leverage that
• 47:30
  James Harden has or doesn't have during the course of this off season. We
• 47:35
  were talking about the fact of the leverage that he actually does have. And
• 47:37
  it amazes me that a guy who has taken a few steps back in terms
• 47:43
  of his play on the court and just like kind of his demeanor and especially
• 47:45
  after what we saw in the last round and even last game of the playoffs
• 47:52
  from the Sixers this past season, that he actually does have this kind of
• 47:54
  leverage And I'm so completely mind boggled by it. He really, it seems,
• 48:00
  has boxed the Sixers potentially Daryl Morey into a corner in terms of potential
• 48:07
  contract negotiation. So what are your thoughts on the leverage that he does have
• 48:10
  and do you see things with him and this Sixers team coming to a positive
• 48:16
  conclusion? What does that positive conclusion mean? How do you see things shaken
• 48:22
  out with his next contract here? What are your thoughts? Sean, Yeah,
• 48:25
  it is a very interesting conversation in a situation, I mean, dating
• 48:29
  back the last offseason, the mindset was James Harden takes a little bit of
• 48:31
  a pay cut, that he gets the short term deal and that this offseason
• 48:35
  is when he would look for that long term security. He still finds himself
• 48:38
  in that same situation. And when you talk about leverage, the biggest thing
• 48:42
  that the Sixers have working against them is there's just not a better option out
• 48:45
  there that even though James Harden, for share, is not the MVP version
• 48:47
  of himself and is absolutely regressed, and there's a guy that I personally am
• 48:52
  a little concerned handing out a long term deal, and there's plenty of reasons
• 48:54
  to support that when you look out there, like Fred Van Fleet's probably the
• 48:59
  closest thing Kyrie Irving in the conversation, but James Harden is up there with
• 49:01
  the premier free agents. And on top of that, the Sixers just don't
• 49:05
  have these massive cap numbers to be throwing out there that they will lose a
• 49:08
  ton of money if they let James Harden walk because he is that max slot
• 49:12
  and that they can go over because he's their own players. So they're in
• 49:15
  a difficult position from that regard. And on the other side of things,
• 49:17
  if you're looking at it from the James Harden perspective, like I can see
• 49:22
  how he paints this and feels like he owed this like, this was a
• 49:23
  guy who has answered the call. He led the NBA and assist was a
• 49:27
  twenty and eleven guy, scored forty points in two playoff games and really led
• 49:30
  the Sixers in those areas. So like from his perspective, I do kind
• 49:34
  of get it. But at the same time, if I'm the Sixers,
• 49:36
  I'm not feeling very confident handing him a long term deal for a ton of
• 49:39
  money, and that seems to be the way things are trending. It really
• 49:42
  does. And again, yes, you talk about the assists that he had
• 49:45
  throughout this past season, Eric and I were just talking about it. You
• 49:47
  also have the fact that he was able to pull together a couple really amazing
• 49:52
  postseason games. That's all fine and well, but I think like at the
• 49:57
  end of the day, it's just completely mind boggling. We know he's taken
• 50:00
  a step back and given his performance again, especially in that last game when
• 50:04
  it actually really did matter, even in getting it, it's just it boggles
• 50:09
  my mind that this is the situation that we're in. And I think from
• 50:14
  an overall perspective, Sean, it doesn't necessarily make me want to look forward
• 50:21
  to this upcoming season in a way, and I know that sounds bizarre given
• 50:23
  where this team has been, the hopes that we've had as fans. I
• 50:28
  don't know, are you thinking the same way at all? Or might just
• 50:30
  being a pessimistic cynic here? Yeah? No, I think everybody thinks similarly
• 50:35
  in that regard. Like we're talking about a team that has once again failed
• 50:37
  to make it past the second round, and the game plan seems to be
• 50:40
  that we're just gonna throw a couple of band aids on this and run it
• 50:43
  back and see if it's a little different. And I think the slant that
• 50:46
  Darryl Morey is putting on this is that he believes that Doc Rivers was the
• 50:50
  root of the issue. More so than that, I guess he is acknowledged
• 50:52
  publicly it has been, because that is the really only the real major change
• 50:57
  that we're seeing so far is the changing coach with Nick. I do think
• 51:00
  it's gonna make a difference more so than people expect. Just having a new
• 51:04
  system, getting some more movement, having some actual plays be called on a
• 51:07
  regular basis, things like that will all be refreshing. But I still think
• 51:09
  that there's some serious roster construction issues that need to be addressed that they either
• 51:14
  don't have the means to address or don't intend on, and so I honestly
• 51:17
  have that same feeling that I'm nervous running into a wall, and I just
• 51:21
  don't have a lot of confidence that James Harden can pick up that magic come
• 51:24
  in other playoffs, and frankly it wasn't good enough in the first place.
• 51:28
  Absolutely, you mentioned Doc Rivers. We are certainly going to get to him
• 51:30
  during our conversation. In fact, we're going to close our discussion with him,
• 51:34
  So folks stick around for that for sure, because he recently did an
• 51:37
  interview and certainly going to talk about it for sure. But I want to
• 51:40
  get into another gentleman, another talent on this team, Eric and I actually
• 51:45
  mentioned him as well because of what his dad recently said, dear lord,
• 51:51
  and that's Tobias Harris. And I guess conventional wisdom is telling us that Tobias
• 51:55
  Harris is likely going to be traded here, you know, and whether whether
• 51:59
  it's for a crumb cookie or not, you know, what kind of realistic
• 52:02
  and logical return should US Sixers fans expect with a potential Tobias Harris trade this
• 52:08
  offseason? Because I think if it's gonna happen, it's probably gonna happen this
• 52:12
  offseason, right Sean, Yeah, I mean one would think it wouldn't completely
• 52:15
  surprise me if Derren Moore tries to hold out to the deadline. The biggest
• 52:19
  thing that these Sixers have going from him from a market standpoint when it comes
• 52:22
  to Tobias is that expiring deal. With teams looking to clear cap room,
• 52:25
  it's now an appealing contract to take on for a season or half a season
• 52:29
  and then clear that cap space at the tail end. But as Tobias pointed
• 52:32
  out in his interview when he was asked about this at the Fanatics event,
• 52:36
  is you really it's not easy to replace a guy that the Sixers are still
• 52:39
  counting on pretty heavily. For all the criticism that Tobias catches, he's still
• 52:44
  a necessary part of this team. A guy that logs major minutes a forty
• 52:46
  plus minute a game guy, A guy that is their only really true wing
• 52:51
  on roster. PJ. Tucker is probably the only guy in that conversation,
• 52:53
  although I wouldn't consider him a true wing. Same with Danthony Melton. A
• 52:57
  guy who's like six foot two simply isn't gonna be able to guard these six
• 53:00
  foot six to six foot nine wings on the guy, So they need like
• 53:02
  a guy that can be a better version of Tobias Harris, not just tossing
• 53:07
  them over for nothing. I still think there's a trade to be had.
• 53:08
  I think that there's enough moving parts around the NBA right now, and I
• 53:12
  think that enough teams looking to clear cap space that you can find something.
• 53:15
  But I do think that we gotta be a little realistic that it looking more
• 53:19
  towards like the Buddy Heeled tier of trades or the Bohun Bogdanovich tier of trades,
• 53:22
  of those kind of caliber of players, not this superstar move that I
• 53:25
  think some people are holding out hope for. Yeah, and I think the
• 53:29
  Sixers heading into this upcoming season two, we know, and you kind of
• 53:32
  touched on it. We know that they're definitely going to need some role players
• 53:37
  this next season if they're really going to be competitive and dare I say,
• 53:42
  get out of that second round of the playoffs, if they can even get
• 53:44
  to that point. I do wonder this is interesting to think about. I
• 53:46
  do wonder if Dario Sark would come back to the team, that would be
• 53:52
  an interesting reunion. He's very capable of playing both the four and the five
• 53:55
  spots and could fit in with what Nick Nurse wants to do. Potentially from
• 54:00
  an offensive perspective, you know, maybe they'll look at a talent like Kevin
• 54:04
  Love, who knows, you know, what kind of what kind of role
• 54:07
  players, Sean, do you think they need and do you think from a
• 54:13
  talent perspective, who would fit in nicely on this team with what Nick Nurse
• 54:15
  wants to do. What is there now in terms of where certain players roles
• 54:21
  might be that maybe here for the long term. Are there a couple of
• 54:23
  players that you're really keeping your eyes on here of this offseason that Sixers might
• 54:27
  acquire? Yeah, definitely. And one of the interesting mixes is we're seeing
• 54:30
  how this rosters can be formed to Nick Nurse's kind of mindset, because it's
• 54:35
  a very very drastically different roster construction in Philadelphia than what he was used to
• 54:38
  do in Toronto. You mentioned Dario sarg I think that's an interesting name.
• 54:43
  Nurse has been pretty known to in his offensive systems play for the big man
• 54:45
  as a passer in a way that we've never seen what Joel Embien in a
• 54:47
  way that I think Sarge would be pretty good at. That isn't an appealing
• 54:51
  name that I think there's a possibility the Sixers also bringing over Philip Petri sav
• 54:54
  who plays a little bit similar in that way, and same with a new
• 54:58
  two way edition as a list to Bellas out of Arizona. All guys that
• 55:00
  are more of a big man comfortable with the ball in their hand. Outside
• 55:05
  of that, I mean, the Sixers are going to be digging through the
• 55:06
  bargain beIN a little bit as far as their targets, but there's still some
• 55:08
  names that could be helpful as far as arch type of players. For me,
• 55:12
  I want these athletic two way wings, and I get they don't grow
• 55:15
  on trees. They're not the easiest to find, but a guy like a
• 55:17
  Tory Craig is somebody I'm holding out hope for Damian Lee. Even Reggie Jackson's
• 55:22
  the guy wouldn't mind taking a flyer on who I think his value even in
• 55:24
  a Dylan Brooks, I could be talked into guys like that that are at
• 55:28
  least closer to that mold of I guess modern basketball two way guys with some
• 55:31
  athleticism that we can surround and shooters that you can never get enough of.
• 55:35
  So you know what a Nabby is another guy I've seen some buzz about I
• 55:38
  had an awesome year last year, so there's there are still guys out there.
• 55:42
  Even though they're not gonna be shopping at this premier targets to these big
• 55:45
  names. They're still useful players that I think they can get their hands on,
• 55:47
  and I would love to see it. I saw some tweets from you
• 55:51
  with regard to the Bradley Beale situation, and there were so many in sixers
• 55:55
  nations saying, oh, we gotta get Bradley Beal, we gotta make sure
• 55:58
  this happens, and everything's, oh my gosh, what's going on here?
• 56:00
  Like, are we really going to do something like that? I'm glad that
• 56:05
  it didn't happen. I would venture to say you are as well. Yeah,
• 56:07
  yeah, absolutely. And I think the one thing that hasn't gone recognized
• 56:13
  enough is with the new collective Bargaining Agreement, like we're essentially looking at a
• 56:15
  hardcap in the NBA for the first time, and no it's not stated like
• 56:20
  that, but with the repercussions that come when it comes to restrictions on trading
• 56:23
  draft picks, restrictions to your access to the mid level exception things like that
• 56:28
  when you're tapped out at a certain number. And if it was the Bradley
• 56:30
  Beale conversation trade to the Sixers, we're talking about Jess, Bradley Beale and
• 56:35
  Jowell Embiid making up seventy percent of the salary chat right, and don't get
• 56:40
  me wrong, too terrific players. I think Bradley Bale, purely from a
• 56:44
  basketball standpoint, has probably come a little bit underrated to this point before the
• 56:46
  numbers that you have to take with him, it puts you in a difficult
• 56:50
  spot. Now, the Suns are absolutely taking whatever. We'll just take the
• 56:53
  best players and figure it out as we go. So we'll see how it
• 56:55
  works out to them, but I am glad to avoid it in Philly.
• 56:59
  Absolutely absolutely. We'll moving on here. I wanted to talk about another piece
• 57:01
  of talent on this team, and that's Tyrese Maxie. We've all loved watching
• 57:07
  Tyrese Maxie develop and I remember the last time that you were on the PSC
• 57:12
  podcast show here, Sean, we talked about his role on the team since
• 57:15
  Doc was really moving him all around in terms of his role. It was
• 57:19
  interesting to kind of watch that and see what happened to him. From a
• 57:22
  developmental standpoint. What kind of role should we expect from Maxie this coming season,
• 57:27
  given that Nick Nurse is going to come in with a different game plan,
• 57:30
  a different philosophy, Where does Tyrese Maxie go from here? In your
• 57:34
  opinion only up In my mind, I'm pretty optimistic about what Nick Nurse can
• 57:37
  bring out of tyres Maxie. I think he's the closest mold to a Nick
• 57:40
  Nurse style of guard when we think about the Fred Van Fleet a little bit.
• 57:45
  I think we're going to see an uptick in Maxi's three point attempts.
• 57:47
  I think we're going to see him grow defensively a ton. I think Nurse
• 57:51
  is going to kind of put the responsibilities of him as being the guy who
• 57:53
  picks up ninety six feet once in a while, it picks up full court,
• 57:57
  does those kind of things, and just getting more of a structured situation.
• 58:00
  I would like to get him on the ball a little more, regardless
• 58:02
  if James Harden is here or not. I need some just sets and plays
• 58:07
  where it's Maxie utilizing his pace, running the offense a little and another thing
• 58:09
  Nurse talked about in his opening press conference was making Maxie make decisions as a
• 58:15
  playmaker, getting him downhill and having those reads. That's kind of the question
• 58:19
  that I think we're going to find out this season is what's the long term
• 58:22
  future of Tyres Maxie. Is he's a guy who is growing towards being a
• 58:24
  true point guard? Is he a guy who's just maximized as a scorer.
• 58:28
  And I think that will dictate a lot of the future direction of the Sixers
• 58:30
  as far as what they're looking to pair him with. So that's probably the
• 58:34
  number one thing that I'm looking for, is is he training towards becoming this
• 58:37
  true point guard or is he kind of locked in as the scoring version himself,
• 58:40
  which is still a very useful player, but it does dictate the roster
• 58:44
  construction around him. Something I like that you just talked about was his potential
• 58:47
  to enhance his defensive talent within himself, and I think that's something that maybe
• 58:53
  if he is going to be here for the long term, is going to
• 58:57
  be necessary for this Sixers team. And I think at times that it's been
• 59:00
  a reoccurring theme on this podcast is that I think you know since defense has
• 59:04
  gotten lost in the NBA over so many years, there's something to be said
• 59:07
  for guys who can develop a defensive minded mentality when they are on the court,
• 59:13
  and I think seeing that from him is going to show us that that
• 59:16
  development is continuing to happen. It doesn't necessarily need to be him, and
• 59:22
  while it certainly is welcomed, you know, him shooting enhanced three pointers,
• 59:25
  you know, of course from beyond the arc. Would absolutely love to see
• 59:29
  that, But I think you hit it from a defensive perspective. I think
• 59:31
  that Nick Nurse, if he's able to bring that out in him, that's
• 59:35
  gonna be really good for this team because they're certainly gonna need it long term.
• 59:37
  Yeah. Absolutely, And I will give Maxie some credit. I think
• 59:40
  he's grown as a defender pretty significantly over his time in the NBA. Yeah,
• 59:45
  taking some huge steps forward. He was almost a lost cause on that
• 59:47
  end of the floor when he first came in the league, and he's grown
• 59:50
  to the point where he's at least league average at this point, which we
• 59:52
  will take. And I think there's more to juice out of it. I
• 59:54
  really do. I think defense is specifically is a thing where it is effort
• 59:58
  and energy and just amitting to that side of the ball matters. Now,
• 1:00:00
  granted, there's gonna be matchups where Maxie size and his lack of height will
• 1:00:05
  always catch up to him. He's not gonna be a guy picking up everybody
• 1:00:07
  on an every possession basis. But he has grown a ton and he's a
• 1:00:10
  guy that I've stopped personally putting a restriction on how good I think he can
• 1:00:15
  be in any area because he continues to prove everybody wrong. So I'm excited
• 1:00:17
  to see how he turns out this season. A couple more topics I wanted
• 1:00:20
  to get into with you, Sean, and this one here is kind of
• 1:00:22
  I don't know. I looked at it as kind of fun, and I've
• 1:00:24
  been thinking about it myself too, you know, because we can never actually
• 1:00:29
  predict what may happen during the course of an off season. You know,
• 1:00:31
  we don't have a crystal ball. But I was wondering if if there was
• 1:00:35
  something totally surprising that you could actually see happening that would greatly affect this Sixers
• 1:00:40
  team from a real positive standpoint, Like, what would that surprising prediction be
• 1:00:46
  as we're here in this offseason. Yeah, The only thing that kept jumping
• 1:00:51
  to my mind was some sort of giant Tobias Harris trade, and I think
• 1:00:53
  for it to be a big deal, it would have to be a Maxi
• 1:00:57
  and Tobias trade, which would hurt him in the camp up. I would
• 1:01:00
  rather not trade Maxie. But I do think there's a work where there's a
• 1:01:04
  world where Daryl Morey thinks I have to take a big swing at this.
• 1:01:07
  Let me package these two guys and the possible names that I kind of see
• 1:01:09
  floating around. I do think Paul George is a potential piece. I look
• 1:01:13
  at the Chicago Bulls quite a bit and I think Adamarda Rosen or Zach Levine.
• 1:01:16
  I think those guys are bound to be broken up and traded at some
• 1:01:20
  point if the Sixers try and get in on that mix. Even the Dame
• 1:01:22
  Lillard conversation seem to keep circling around, So I think the craziness that could
• 1:01:27
  impact the Sixers seeing in a major way. I will look at from that
• 1:01:30
  regard some sort of major trade package with that. That's not my thing or
• 1:01:34
  what I would like them to do. But with Daryl Morey, I'm not
• 1:01:36
  going to completely roll it out and that's where my mind went with that one.
• 1:01:38
  Again, Folks talking to Sean Bernard from the Philly Sports Network as well
• 1:01:44
  and Pickswap Media as well Premiere Podcast Network, providing top tier sports takes in
• 1:01:52
  a very social media friendly fashion. Love with Sean and Sean's doing out there
• 1:01:58
  for sure. So let's end with Doc Rivers here, Buddy, let's end
• 1:02:00
  with Doc Rivers. You mentioned him earlier. He recently talked pretty candidly about
• 1:02:06
  his tenure in Philly, and more specifically, he talked about how he helped
• 1:02:09
  to change the culture and growth of the Sixers organization in general. I kind
• 1:02:16
  of had some feelings about this where I agreed with some of what he said,
• 1:02:20
  I disagreed with some of what he said. First, I want to
• 1:02:22
  get your take on him changing the culture for the Philadelphia seventy sixers valid,
• 1:02:29
  not valid, sort of valid. What are your thoughts shown? Yeah,
• 1:02:31
  I mean, Doctors is a guy who does not hesitate to think quite highly
• 1:02:36
  of himself, and we've known that his entire time here. As far as
• 1:02:39
  the culture stuff, I don't think it's fair to give him too much credit
• 1:02:44
  for that. I get where he's coming from, and I think there's some
• 1:02:46
  degree of that. I'm in general, I think the process concerns are very
• 1:02:51
  overstated, and it's hard to win a championship, it really is. I
• 1:02:53
  don't think that is the stench of the processes was holding the sixtieth back.
• 1:02:58
  I don't think that is the deal. I mean, you look at like
• 1:03:00
  the top picks around the NBA, the guys that end up being a number
• 1:03:04
  one pick on a team that was a bad team, because that's how you
• 1:03:07
  get the number one pick. Like you look at like a Chris Paul.
• 1:03:08
  It's like, you don't argue that the reason that he's never found this ceiling
• 1:03:12
  is because when he first came to the NBA that he was on a bad
• 1:03:15
  team or things like that with these players. So I think it's very overstated.
• 1:03:19
  I get kind of where he's coming from, and I do think it.
• 1:03:21
  He brought up some good points, and he spoke much more candidly than
• 1:03:23
  I would expect or frankly think he should have in this situation. But stuff
• 1:03:28
  like the James Harden comments about getting him to playoff all things like that,
• 1:03:31
  like he's right about that. I don't think we can give Doc Rivers the
• 1:03:35
  credit for trying for changing the culture for the better. Frankly, we are
• 1:03:38
  in the exact same spot as when he came here of still not making past
• 1:03:42
  the second round. So enough pats on the back for me. But I
• 1:03:45
  do see where he's coming from in some aspects the same here I do too.
• 1:03:47
  And look, he was brought in to get them out of the second
• 1:03:51
  round of the playoffs. That's why he was brought in, and it absolutely
• 1:03:54
  never happened. And at the end of the day, Doc, I'm sorry,
• 1:03:57
  no, you didn't change the culture that much to get even this team
• 1:04:01
  to the Eastern Conference finals. So you know, let's chill out a little
• 1:04:05
  bit. But I guess to follow up and before I let you go,
• 1:04:09
  Sean Doc also talked about how Joel Embiad's next step is to make his teammates
• 1:04:15
  better and how he thinks Jojoe can do that in the future. So what
• 1:04:18
  are your thoughts on whether or not Joel Embiad has actually been doing this on
• 1:04:21
  and off the court in terms of making his teammates better and if he can
• 1:04:26
  get to be that true leader in the future here, what are your thoughts?
• 1:04:30
  Yeah, I mean for starters, I think the biggest area of Mbiad's
• 1:04:33
  game that helps teammates offensively is for sure his gravity. We see the doubles
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  he commands, the triples he commands at time. The six is more the
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  number one three point shooting team in the NBA last season, and a good
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  portion that is because of the open three pointers that are created from the gravity
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  that Joel demands. Now, I do think he has a point in Joel
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  still needs to grow as a passer. But to kind of counter that is,
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  I mean, you look at like the Denver Nuggets who went on this,
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  and I know the Yo Kitchen Embiad comparisons have gotten too sloppy and it
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  happens too often. But yeah, yeah, but like, look at how
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  much easier the passes are that Yokis makes. Look at the movement off ball
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  from the Nuggets, the way guys are cutting, the way that screens are
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  being set. They're opening shots for others that Jess has never happened around him
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  beat And that falls right back on the shoulders of Doc Rivers. The play
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  call being given to embat at the elbow and everybody else stand around and watch.
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  It's difficult for him to find passes out of that. So that is
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  one of the things that I'm excited about to see what Nick Nurse does for
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  that, because I do think that makes it a major difference. I think
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  Embeat is smart enough to grow as a passer when the plays are there to
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  be made. And yeah, I mean I think he has a point.
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  I think it's something Joell needs to get better at. But I also think
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  that that he hasn't been put on the best position for it, and I
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  think some changes in the offense and tweaks and how things are run can change
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  that pretty drastically. So I'm optimistic that is still to occur. And even
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  when like the looking at the trajec trajectory of guys like Yokichen Yannis and Beat
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  because of the mistime, I get he's the same age, but he's still
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  a little before the curve in that trajectory. And I think there's definitely a
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  world where we haven't seen the best version of Dwell and Beat on the basketball
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  court yet. It's pretty incredible to think about. We have optimism for sure,
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  folks. Again, you can follow Sean on Twitter at Sean Underscore,
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  Bernard one and Sean where can they find you? On the interwebs. Out
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  there buddy. Yeah, you can check out pick Swat Media on YouTube,
• 1:06:16
  Fox to the Gambler on YouTube, as well as my written work on Philly
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  Sports Network dot com. So check out all that stuff. And yeah,
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  you can catch me a little bit of everywhere these days. Sean, thanks
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  so much for jumping on the PSD podcast show. It was great talking to
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  you. Come back join us down the road. We'd love to talk to
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  you. Sixers Eagles man. Some Philly Sports would love to have you back
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  on buddy. Yeah, absolutely, appreciate appreciate you for having me in anytime.
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  Always great talking to Sean. And yes, I do think there is
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  a level of optimism and specifically when it comes to what the what the assets
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  coming back to the Sixers might be for a potential to Bias Harris trade.
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  And look, I don't want to lose Tyrese Maxie at all in that potential
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  trade at all. But as Sean was laying out, if we are going
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  to get back somebody like a Chris Paul, Damian Lillard like something, or
• 1:07:08
  some talent that is going to take this team to the next level, then
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  it may need to happen. I don't want to lose Tyres faxy at all
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  because he is going to continue to develop. I think, I think his
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  defensive prowess continuing to develop is something we really do need to keep our eyes
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  on in the coming months and even in the coming years as well. So
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  it's gonna do it for us this week. Folks. Hope you enjoy the
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