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Chuck & Buck 5-20 Hour 3: M's offensive struggles, ABC's of the Mariners and Analytics in the Western Conference Finals · Chuck in the Morning

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Speaker 1: All right, eight o'clock hour, Good morning to you here
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Speaker 1: on this home dude, my name is Chuck Powell. It
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Speaker 1: is Chuck and Buck in the morning Sports Radio ninety
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Speaker 1: three point three k j R FM. But Bucky Jacobson's
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Speaker 1: still out on medical leave. So andrews Hurst is here
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Speaker 1: today filling in for him, sitting in his chair over there.
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Speaker 2: Oh coffee, Yeah, I like it? Yeah, yeah, you have.
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Speaker 1: Your whiskers are so much shorter.
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Does that mean I have to grow it out? No?
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Speaker 1: No, no, no, not at all.
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Speaker 2: Okay, we would never ask that of you.
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Speaker 3: Okay, you have to go out your hair to Travis, okay,
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Speaker 3: because you know it's a little shorter than Ashley's.
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Speaker 2: It's a little shorter actual, probably shaved.
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Speaker 1: There aren't huge requirements. I don't need you to dress
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Speaker 1: and act like them. You know what are the requirements?
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Speaker 1: Oh gosh, I mean number one, Ashley's got a wonderful
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Speaker 1: singing voice. So as long as Travis can nail some
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Speaker 1: Whitney Houston at karaoke this Friday night.
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Speaker 2: We're good. What about rapping? Rapping?
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Speaker 1: Not heard a lot of that from her. Also, you
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Speaker 1: need to be a little angrier at Mitch Garver. I
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Speaker 1: think you're doing enough on that front. All right, we're
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Speaker 1: kind of used to that from that chair. Fair enough,
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Speaker 1: designated walker, Mitch Carver, here you go.
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Speaker 2: You got it.
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Speaker 4: Come you're not even throwing to second base when the
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Speaker 4: double steel happens. Chuck said it was a huge play
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Speaker 4: in the game. At least make a throw. At least
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Speaker 4: make a throw and actually believe that. At least make
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Speaker 4: a throw.
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Speaker 1: Come on, Buncky doesn't yell as this hatred is more
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Speaker 1: just he just exudes it, simmer. It really is so
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Speaker 1: welcome into the show. So Ashley will be filling in
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Speaker 1: for Greg Bell today at ten o'clock so you can listen.
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Speaker 1: Then we have been talking about the Mariners pretty much
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Speaker 1: all all show long. I've thrown in a couple of
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Speaker 1: Pallette cleansers here and there two hours into the program.
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Speaker 1: We'll do one more of those. But this has been
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Speaker 1: such a hot topic, and there are so many legs
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Speaker 1: to this. Piggyback night last night for the Mariners that
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Speaker 1: I don't think was as big a disaster as what
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Speaker 1: many of you think, and yet it certainly ended disastrously,
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Speaker 1: and it ended with a loss. And my takeaway from
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Speaker 1: it is that if you do it again, and I
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Speaker 1: assume they are going to do it again, that you've
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Speaker 1: learned some lessons that one point run run games, one
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Speaker 1: point one run games are just have to be managed
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Speaker 1: differently in all situations. I don't care what your plan
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Speaker 1: was eight hours ago in an office, you know nine floors.
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Speaker 2: Above the actual field.
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Speaker 1: Of play, that when the game starts to go, the
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Speaker 1: bullets start to fly, that you've got to adjust. You've
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Speaker 1: got to have the ability to adjust to the game situations.
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Speaker 1: And I would think that Andre Munos will be better
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Speaker 1: equipped and ready to enter a game to start the
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Speaker 1: ninth inning in the future, and that if Bryce Miller
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Speaker 1: is flirting with one of the greatest games of the
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Speaker 1: entire year, then maybe you'll let.
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Speaker 2: Him ride that out. So those are two things.
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Speaker 1: Rather than just stick to a script or try to
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Speaker 1: stick to a script, sometimes you just got to rip
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Speaker 1: up the script and go with how the game's going.
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Speaker 2: So we shall see.
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Speaker 1: But we've already talked about that a few times, and
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Speaker 1: I got a few more prisms that I want to
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Speaker 1: run it through, including Bryce Miller and Dan Wilson. But
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Speaker 1: we've had a lot of demand this morning because as
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Speaker 1: I started the show with, we're not talking enough about
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Speaker 1: the offense of futility this team, particularly against left handers.
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Speaker 1: They have been one hit in two of their last
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Speaker 1: three games, once against the right hander, once against the
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Speaker 1: left hander. And so offense does continue to be the problem.
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Speaker 1: And yes, as I started the show with, last night's
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Speaker 1: problem was not pitching, it was not piggybacking.
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Speaker 2: It was that this.
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Speaker 1: Team is not scoring enough runs, period and for whatever reason,
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Speaker 1: they can't get hits on nights that they face left handers,
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Speaker 1: even if they're mediocre ones like we faced in Anthony
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Speaker 1: k last night. We're the only team that's made him
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Speaker 1: look good this entire season. And so let's talk about that,
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Speaker 1: since that's what people are demanding us discuss anders. We
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Speaker 1: obviously are not scoring enough runs. This happens every April
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Speaker 1: in May. I'm just gonna trust that in June we
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Speaker 1: heat up. But obviously this left handed thing. You know,
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Speaker 1: we have a lineup last night that featured a leadoff
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Speaker 1: hitter batting one twenty five. Leadoff hitter Mitch Garver asked
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Speaker 1: to play right now. He's hitting one fifty five. Patrick
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Speaker 1: Wisdom doesn't have a hit yet as a Mariner, Connor Joe,
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Speaker 1: who was supposed to be just an invite to spring
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Speaker 1: training suddenly is playing a an important role. And we're
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Speaker 1: not scoring runs when these guys are in the lineup together,
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Speaker 1: and it's obviously reached a boiling point with the fan base.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know what's crazy is Julio Rodriguez. If you
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Speaker 3: look at his splits, he is a six forty ops
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Speaker 3: versus right handed pitching. He is a one dot ops,
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Speaker 3: one eight ops versus left handed pitching this year, which
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Speaker 3: is weird because the entire discussion around the Mariners offense
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Speaker 3: is the fact that they can't hit left handed pitching. Now,
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Speaker 3: I realize that's just one player, one of nine, but
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Speaker 3: that's an every day player, and that's an important player.
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Speaker 1: Well, I mean, right now, if you're going to face
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Speaker 1: the Yankees in a seven game series, you're throwing every
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Speaker 1: left hander you have, even though they have Aaron Judge.
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Speaker 1: Right now, it just goes to show you that one
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Speaker 1: guy in this sport, exactly Mike Trouts, never won a
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Speaker 1: playoff series. So one guy in this sport's not going
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Speaker 1: to carry. You've got to have a deep lineup, and
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Speaker 1: our lineup in general just is not hitting left hander.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, So I guess my question to you would be,
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Speaker 3: and I'll flip it back, is how much of these
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Speaker 3: struggles do you equate to the struggle slash injury of
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Speaker 3: Cal Rawly not seeing enough of Brendan Donovan. Those are
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Speaker 3: two everyday guys that you were kind of planning on
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Speaker 3: at this point, and so you've been you've been having
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Speaker 3: to see a lot of the Leo Revases of the
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Speaker 3: world and now Patrick Wisdom and you know Connor Joe
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Speaker 3: Rob Rethschneider. So that's just two guys in the lineup
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Speaker 3: versus you know, Railey and Canzone obviously, how much of
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Speaker 3: it do you equate to the guys that you were
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Speaker 3: counting on contributing not contributing.
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Speaker 1: Well, not much because they're not doing anything against lefties
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Speaker 1: either so far this season, so we can't lean on that.
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Speaker 2: I don't know what it is. I mean, it is
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Speaker 2: the greatest, mister, seriously, that.
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Speaker 1: Floats above this city that there is, and I know
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Speaker 1: what everybody wants them to do, and that is open
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Speaker 1: up the pocketbook and get a short fire right handed hitter.
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Speaker 1: I mean, taoscar Hernandez was no joke of a hitter
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Speaker 1: when they acquired him, and he complained about hitting at
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Speaker 1: T mobile against left handed pitching. Right they have brought
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Speaker 1: in many a proven veteran now veteran. I'll give you that.
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Speaker 1: Veteran rightys who have dominated left handed pitching. Brought in
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Speaker 1: many a proven veteran now veteran. I'll give you that
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Speaker 1: veteran rightys who have dominated left handed pitching pretty much
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Speaker 1: their entire careers, and certainly were coming off seasons in
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Speaker 1: which they dominated lefties. Now, did they just choose every
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Speaker 1: time a guy that's getting ready to hit his career wall,
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Speaker 1: I mean every single time? Did you have that much
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Speaker 1: bad luck like Eddie George when he lost a step
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Speaker 1: was done?
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Speaker 2: Yep?
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Speaker 1: Did you really just get everybody right on the verge
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Speaker 1: of them losing a step? Did that really happen to you?
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Speaker 1: Because if that's the case, that's some really bad luck
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Speaker 1: to do it time and time and time and time again.
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Speaker 1: Maybe there is something. Maybe our hitting backdrop is crooked.
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Speaker 1: I don't know, but it doesn't matter if it's Aj Pollock,
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Speaker 1: Donovan Solano, Mitch Garver, Rob Refsnyder, doesn't matter whoever they
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Speaker 1: bring in to hit lefties cannot hit lefties in a
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Speaker 1: Mariner uniform and it is the strangest damn thing that
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Speaker 1: I've ever seen. Yeah, and so I mean, I can't.
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Speaker 1: I guess that's where it starts.
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Speaker 2: And I know what.
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Speaker 1: People think the solution is if you're not going to
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Speaker 1: add anybody, since you've already screwed up ref Snyder, since
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Speaker 1: that was obviously a dumb decision, terrible, even though he's
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Speaker 1: coming off a year in which he had a nine
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Speaker 1: to fifty nine OPS against left handers just last year
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Speaker 1: three nine on base oh ninety eight batting average against
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Speaker 1: lefties so far under one. There's not even a clever
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Speaker 1: nickname for that. We called the two hundred mark the
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Speaker 1: Mendoza line. We don't even have one for the one hundred,
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Speaker 1: which called the Refsnyder line. It's like the pitcher line, Yeah,
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Speaker 1: like what pitchers used to hit. It's zone ninety eight.
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Speaker 1: And so how could the Mariners have envisioned that ref
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Speaker 1: Snyder would be this bad? I have no idea. They're
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Speaker 1: still calling it a short sample size. Let's getting longer. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: it's getting absolutely longer. But the truth of the matter
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Speaker 1: is Luke Rayley and Dom can zone as solutions, and
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Speaker 1: they're certainly not surefire solution. They are a combined one
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Speaker 1: for eleven. I know they've not been given a lot
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Speaker 1: of opportunities to hit against lefties this year, but they
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Speaker 1: got one hit and eleven at bats, one hit and
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Speaker 1: fifteen played appearances so far this season. Rayley's got a
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Speaker 1: one seventy eight career batting average against lefties, two forty
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Speaker 1: four on base, five to twenty one slug. Dom Canzone
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Speaker 1: had a decent year last year against lefties. The year
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Speaker 1: before he didn't get to hit the entire season right
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Speaker 1: against lefties. And so they're not exactly surefire solutions to
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Speaker 1: this this equation, but obviously we're all frustrated with ref
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Speaker 1: Snyder's and Joe's and Pollock's and Garver's not coming through.
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Speaker 3: I would make this adjustment as of now. I would
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Speaker 3: make a dom can Zone an everyday player, whether that's DH,
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Speaker 3: whether that's right field, however you want to fit him in.
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Speaker 3: I think he showed enough last year. He didn't I mean,
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Speaker 3: seven thirteen oh ps doesn't jump off the page, but
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Speaker 3: that's workable, you know what I mean to seventy six
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Speaker 3: batting average, three sixty eight on base. His slug wasn't great.
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Speaker 3: He was a contact hitterer against left end and pitching
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Speaker 3: last year. I think he's shown enough in that year
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Speaker 3: and he hasn't really gotten, you know, the ability this
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Speaker 3: year to show that. I would make him an everyday player,
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Speaker 3: at least give him a run of games at the
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Speaker 3: run of games that year, giving rob Refschneider frankly at
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Speaker 3: this point, and it can't be any worse than what
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Speaker 3: ref Snyder's giving you. And then that way, you only
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Speaker 3: have one spot in the lineup that you're like trying
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Speaker 3: to finangle with and figure out whether it's Raley, you know,
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Speaker 3: ref Snyder, Joe whoever at that point. And then that way,
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Speaker 3: it's only one spot that you can adjust with based
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Speaker 3: on matchups you get. You get one extra right handed
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Speaker 3: bat on the bench later in the game if they
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Speaker 3: do go to the lefty, so that you can kind
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Speaker 3: of swap that out. So that's a small adjustment I
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Speaker 3: would make. Now, I don't know if that ends up
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Speaker 3: being a solution. Like I said, seven thirteen, oh ps
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Speaker 3: doesn't jump off the page, And it was just in
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Speaker 3: sixty eight played appearances. That's about as many played appearances
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Speaker 3: as Rob res Scheider has right now this year. By
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Speaker 3: the way, so the sample size is about the same.
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Speaker 3: I would make don Canzone an everyday player because he
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Speaker 3: has shown that at least somewhat of an ability in
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Speaker 3: his career to be okay against left handed pitching. And
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Speaker 3: then that way, Luke I don't trust Luke Rayley, and
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Speaker 3: he's talked about it before. He he says he doesn't
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Speaker 3: even practice against lefties anymore because he knows it's just
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Speaker 3: not and okay, like you know your role, you're gonna
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Speaker 3: mash against right in and pitching, and he's done that
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Speaker 3: this year. And then that way you can just kind
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Speaker 3: of live with one less spot in the lineup where
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Speaker 3: you have a question mark on well.
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Speaker 2: I mean, you do have other options.
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Speaker 1: Roablaze is getting ready to come back to the point,
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Speaker 1: and you also have Brendan Davis who's been mashing it
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Speaker 1: doing nothing but hit baseballs since he joined the Mariners organization.
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Speaker 1: We just haven't seen him at the major league level
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Speaker 1: against major league pitching during the season. So those are
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Speaker 1: some other options that you have, but they're not close
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Speaker 1: to you know, chasing ref Sneyder out of town at
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Speaker 1: this point. Connor Joe might be a different story. Connor
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Speaker 1: Joe might be looking at his last few days. But
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Speaker 1: let's talk about the in game decisions of Dan Wilson
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Speaker 1: and when he's choosing to pinch hit. Believe it or not,
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Speaker 1: I saw a little bit of progress last night in
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Speaker 1: an area where I feel Dan Wilson has struggled mightily
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Speaker 1: all year along and he's not listening to me. But
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Speaker 1: whoever he's listening to has the same, has been giving
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Speaker 1: him the same advice. We're not going to let the
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Speaker 1: other manager dictate our plate appearances. So in the sixth inning,
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Speaker 1: it's not just going to be an automatic that we
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Speaker 1: go to take Rayleigh out of the game and go
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Speaker 1: to ref Snyder, because now they're getting us.
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Speaker 2: We don't get the guy we.
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Speaker 1: Won in the sixth and then they're coming back in
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Speaker 1: the eighth with Arioty, and so now we're losing the
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Speaker 1: matchup again in the eighth. I think there is a
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Speaker 1: time to make that pinch hitting change, but it is
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Speaker 1: when you're threatening, and in the sixth inning, that's when
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Speaker 1: you're threatening. The bottom line is as bad as ref
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Speaker 1: Snyder's been, he's got a better track record than Raley
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Speaker 1: of hitting left hand. Yes, yes, so would I pull
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Speaker 1: Raley in the sixth or ref Schneider. Yes, but we
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Speaker 1: better be threatening. I don't want to see it to
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Speaker 1: lead off an inning. I don't want to see it
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Speaker 1: close out in inning with nobody on base. Other than that,
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Speaker 1: then I got to do the math of who's going
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Speaker 1: to get back up again? So this is the fine line.
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Speaker 1: I didn't have a problem with him sticking in the
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Speaker 1: sixth inning with Joe last night because nobody was on base,
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Speaker 1: or see me, was it this, oh gosh, seventh? I
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Speaker 1: think no, it was the sixth. It was the sixth,
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Speaker 1: sixth with Joe. Yes, I did have a problem with
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Speaker 1: him not pinch hitting Rayley in the seventh because there
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Speaker 1: was a man on base at that stage and there
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Speaker 1: were two outs outs yep, But I got a man
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Speaker 1: on base, and the odds are because I have the lead,
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Speaker 1: I'm not even going to be up again in the ninth.
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Speaker 2: So to me that.
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Speaker 1: It seems like a fine line. But it seems like
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Speaker 1: a world of difference to me, I don't have anything
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Speaker 1: going in the sixth and I got two outs. Am
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Speaker 1: I really going to come in with a rate with
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Speaker 1: Rayley right now? They counter the left hand? Or what
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Speaker 1: did I gain? Because now I'm now I'm doing the
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Speaker 1: exact same sin, but I'm doing it with a player
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Speaker 1: that the fan base has more faith in. Right so
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Speaker 1: they wanted to see the Rayley switch. Same thing when
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Speaker 1: you had the canzone moment as well last night. Whatever
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Speaker 1: they were going to do right handed, the White Sox
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Speaker 1: were prepared to counter it. Yes, So a manager asked away, well,
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Speaker 1: what do I want here? Do I want the right
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Speaker 1: who's currently in the game against Reth Schneider, or do
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Speaker 1: I want can zone versus a left hander? The Mariners
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Speaker 1: decided to go with res Schneider against the right handed
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Speaker 1: I disagree with I would disagree with that as well,
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Speaker 1: because there was a man on base at the time,
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Speaker 1: and so I'll go ahead and make that change. I'll
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Speaker 1: make that exchange in that moment. If ref Schneider's killing
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Speaker 1: killing it, then I don't even consider it.
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Speaker 3: And that's the thing about this conversation. If the guys
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Speaker 3: that are brought into hit left handed pitching are doing
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Speaker 3: their job, no one cares, like no one cares when
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Speaker 3: you make that pitch decision. But because they can't, it's
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Speaker 3: a huge discussion.
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Speaker 1: But then you get to the ninth and because you
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Speaker 1: didn't overact to the sixth, you got to bring out
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Speaker 1: that parade of left handers against Grant Taylor. Just so
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Speaker 1: happened that they all struck out. But when you're making
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Speaker 1: a change in the sixth, then you are giving the
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Speaker 1: opposing manager the opportunity to counter that both in the
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Speaker 1: sixth and then again in the eighth or ninth inning
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Speaker 1: whenever that batter comes back up again. And to me,
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Speaker 1: that's letting the other manager dictate who's going to hit
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Speaker 1: for you in the game. So I didn't manage mine
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Speaker 1: that they stuck with the sixth. The only time I
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Speaker 1: do that is if I do have a threat going,
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Speaker 1: then I'll go ahead and roll the dice on the
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Speaker 1: percentage best hitter in that situation. If he fails, he fails.
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Speaker 1: I know ref S Niner's not hitting, I know Joe's
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Speaker 1: not hitting. But if he fails, he fails. But in
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Speaker 1: the seventh I would have definitely made the move. And
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Speaker 1: because he didn't overreact in the sixth, we had the
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Speaker 1: ability and the ninth to send out a tower right
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Speaker 1: of left handed hitters. But they didn't come through either right.
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Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, they got blown away.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it looked almost worse, but I feel slightly differently
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Speaker 3: on the strategy and the pinch hitting stuff because I
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Speaker 3: feel that way when you're starting against a right handed pitcher.
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Speaker 3: So you're starting with Luke Rayley and Don Canzone, I
17:23
Speaker 3: want to leave them in as long as possible because
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Speaker 3: right now those are two better players than Connor Joe
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Speaker 3: and Rob Refsnyder. I want them getting as many at
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Speaker 3: bats as possible. And unless it's a like you said,
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Speaker 3: high leverage situation guy on base and you're threatening, that's
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Speaker 3: when against the lefty, that's when, Okay, I make the
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Speaker 3: pinch hitting decision here against a guy who's had more success,
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Speaker 3: probably has a better chance to put the ball in play.
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Speaker 2: Oh, thank's fair.
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Speaker 3: But in last night's scenario, you're facing a lefty. You
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Speaker 3: started with Connor Joe and with Rob Refsnyder, I would
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Speaker 3: have made the hook quicker. So you're a again once again,
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Speaker 3: getting as many at bats for ray and dom Canzone
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Speaker 3: as possible, even if it is against the left handed pitcher.
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Speaker 3: The other reason is which was going to be the
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Speaker 3: counter correct and they would have brought in the lefty,
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Speaker 3: and that is the other reason. Make them burn their
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Speaker 3: left handed pitcher early in the game. So then you
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Speaker 3: don't have to see it later in the game, and
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Speaker 3: maybe it's a it's an even bigger effect later in
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Speaker 3: the series as well, when you know you struggle against lefties.
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Speaker 3: So forcing yourself to see more of Connor, Joe and
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Speaker 3: Rob Refsneider just because you don't want them to bring
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Speaker 3: in the left handed pitcher is I think a little
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Speaker 3: bit backwards in their thinking.
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Speaker 1: Well, I mean, they clearly have more faith than ref
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Speaker 1: Schneider and Joe against righty's than they do RAILEI and
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Speaker 1: Canzone against lefties.
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Speaker 2: I just disagree with that. I don't.
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Speaker 3: I at least Canzone. I could see it with Raley,
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Speaker 3: at least Canzone. I'd rather him face a lefty than
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Speaker 3: Joe or Refsnander.
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Speaker 2: Almighty.
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Speaker 1: All right, So that's clearly what they're going by. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: But and I hear what you're saying. Yeah, but like
19:00
Speaker 1: that sixth inning pinch hit situation, I mean, you are
19:04
Speaker 1: just falling into their trap at that point. Yes, it's true. Yeah,
19:07
Speaker 1: and so and will Vinnible's already been one step ahead
19:11
Speaker 1: of him. So I kind of saw last night as
19:13
Speaker 1: a little bit of progress.
19:15
Speaker 2: In that area.
19:16
Speaker 1: You were already up one and then when the time
19:20
Speaker 1: came where the White Socks were committed because they started
19:23
Speaker 1: the inning with a right hander and he had to
19:25
Speaker 1: pitch to at least three guys. You had all three
19:28
Speaker 1: of your left handed hitters off the bench ready to
19:32
Speaker 1: go and come into the game. As opposed to what
19:35
Speaker 1: we have been experiencing, which is Dan making the move early,
19:39
Speaker 1: they counter and wipe it out. And then because they
19:44
Speaker 1: Dan doesn't have a move in the eighth, they've got
19:46
Speaker 1: the counter move available to them to wipe that out
19:49
Speaker 1: as well. I mean, I think Nathan Bishop kind of
19:53
Speaker 1: nailed it the other day on Ian's show. I don't
19:56
Speaker 1: agree with that guy a lot the last four innings
20:00
Speaker 1: when the Mariners have really struggled, because those are the
20:04
Speaker 1: moments that a manager is taking over. You're pinch hitting
20:07
Speaker 1: decisions and your bullpend decisions. Why are we so bad
20:10
Speaker 1: from the sixth inning on Why are we losing so
20:12
Speaker 1: many one run games? Is because Dan Wilson is doing
20:15
Speaker 1: a terrible job adjusting to the other manager's moves or
20:23
Speaker 1: or setting himself up to be adjusted against. Yes, and
20:27
Speaker 1: that's what's happening right now. Like like we said before,
20:30
Speaker 1: it's like this is just checkers. This is not chess.
20:34
Speaker 1: This is what they're doing, is not. Oh my gosh,
20:37
Speaker 1: I can't believe he had a left hander ready for me.
20:39
Speaker 2: My mind is blown.
20:42
Speaker 1: No, this is just checkers. And if you're trying to
20:44
Speaker 1: play chess in a game of checkers, you're getting I
20:49
Speaker 1: mean they're getting.
20:50
Speaker 2: They're crowning your ass.
20:52
Speaker 1: You know what I mean, Ynny Green, Yeah, you are
20:55
Speaker 1: what we thought you were.
20:57
Speaker 2: Well, they're just crowning you. Is that un Green? Okay, So.
21:03
Speaker 1: I think we're losing those battles coming and going, and
21:06
Speaker 1: have been all season long, and so last night, the
21:10
Speaker 1: last couple of nights, you've seen an effort towards slightly
21:12
Speaker 1: adjusting that so that we're not constantly getting out checkered
21:18
Speaker 1: by the opposing manager. We actually had the bigger move
21:23
Speaker 1: left in our bag in the ninth. It didn't work out,
21:26
Speaker 1: but we had the bigger move in our bag waiting
21:29
Speaker 1: for us in the ninth versus game on the line.
21:32
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, we've already used everybody. I guess, I
21:37
Speaker 1: guess Joe Garver and Wisdom got a bat, you know
21:40
Speaker 1: that sort of thing.
21:41
Speaker 2: So I get it.
21:43
Speaker 1: I'm as frustrated as all of you, but I am
21:46
Speaker 1: trying to see it from a little wider ring, a
21:51
Speaker 1: big picture. Yeah, think all right, ABC's at the m's
21:54
Speaker 1: coming your way. Next, it's Chuck Anders and Travis with
21:57
Speaker 1: you on Sports Radio ninety three point three KJRFM. They
22:02
Speaker 1: really do Does this count as a palate quonser? No,
22:05
Speaker 1: that's the ABC's the end. We're still you know, this
22:08
Speaker 1: is a this is a full meal. I figured, yeah,
22:10
Speaker 1: a full course anyway, full course. I figured they're seen
22:14
Speaker 1: by the way those chefs, how much they can eat
22:16
Speaker 1: on those TV.
22:17
Speaker 2: Oh my god.
22:17
Speaker 1: You ever watch those food shows?
22:18
Speaker 2: I love the food shows. Big Top Chef fan, really
22:22
Speaker 2: Top Chef fan. Yeah, I love Top Chef. Yes, I've
22:24
Speaker 2: never seen it.
22:25
Speaker 1: And that Kristin what's her name who hosts Kristin Kish.
22:29
Speaker 2: She's great.
22:30
Speaker 1: I have never seen a skinnier person eat more food
22:33
Speaker 1: in my entire life than Kristen Kish.
22:35
Speaker 2: And Tom Kalikio. Oh, he can eat, he can eat,
22:38
Speaker 2: but he's all skinny.
22:39
Speaker 4: Now. I think he went on ozempic but he's still
22:41
Speaker 4: he must take a break during shooting or something.
22:44
Speaker 2: I don't know.
22:45
Speaker 1: He's going to win the gold medal at the Ozmpics,
22:48
Speaker 1: you know, based on how much he's eating and still
22:52
Speaker 1: we're losing weight. I'll tell you that much. That's a
22:55
Speaker 1: great name for like an eating contest, the Ozempics.
23:01
Speaker 2: All right.
23:02
Speaker 1: Anyway, we got the ABC's of the MS to get through,
23:05
Speaker 1: and we left off yesterday at the letter G. So
23:09
Speaker 1: we've been talking about Mariners all day long with Cavin
23:11
Speaker 1: piggybacking and lefty righty and Dan Wilson in front office
23:15
Speaker 1: and everything else. So I don't know where the alphabet's
23:17
Speaker 1: going to take us. We shall see, but we left
23:19
Speaker 1: off of the letter G.
23:21
Speaker 2: G is for Garver.
23:23
Speaker 1: Add Garver to the ongoing frustrations. It's like, I mean,
23:28
Speaker 1: there for a while, I think we were kind of entertaining,
23:30
Speaker 1: Like I kind of like this backup Garver. It's a
23:32
Speaker 1: little more of an improvement. We're just seeing some better
23:35
Speaker 1: at bats and just terrible yeah at the plate last
23:39
Speaker 1: night and for and ever since Cal got hurt.
23:42
Speaker 2: Yeah, let me let me get my Bucky impression ready. Yeah.
23:48
Speaker 1: I just I can't stand anyone who goes up and
23:50
Speaker 1: doesn't look to hit the ball.
23:53
Speaker 2: You're going up to attack, like it's just approach.
23:57
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just you got to get the right and
24:00
Speaker 3: attack and the fact that he's just looking to walk
24:03
Speaker 3: every single time he goes up there. I don't care
24:06
Speaker 3: that he knows the strike zone. It just go and
24:10
Speaker 3: go and get a pitch to hit, not call it
24:11
Speaker 3: a designated walker. Yeah, how was that?
24:15
Speaker 2: Pretty good? Not bad? Not bad.
24:17
Speaker 1: But the thing with Garver, though, is man and I
24:22
Speaker 1: hope this didn't happen last night because he had two
24:25
Speaker 1: chances to challenge in some pretty pivotal moments in the
24:29
Speaker 1: eighth and ninth inning. Here we're doing this piggyback thing.
24:31
Speaker 1: Luis Castillo is doing this for the very first time.
24:34
Speaker 1: Everybody in these stands watching at home is on the
24:38
Speaker 1: edge of their seat. The players are love Rock and
24:42
Speaker 1: they want to see him succeed because they knew he
24:44
Speaker 1: had to swallow his pride a little bit and being
24:46
Speaker 1: skipped in the starting rotation. So they're all wanting him
24:49
Speaker 1: to succeed in this moment, and they wanted to give
24:52
Speaker 1: him all the help that they could. And there was
24:54
Speaker 1: one person and the entire building that had the chance
24:57
Speaker 1: to actually help him, Mitch Garver. He had two challenges.
25:01
Speaker 1: We had one remaining two strikeouts, and he didn't use
25:06
Speaker 1: the challenge on either one.
25:09
Speaker 2: Of them.
25:09
Speaker 1: Now, it didn't hurt you in the eighth, but it
25:11
Speaker 1: could have, and it did hurt you in the ninth inning. Now,
25:16
Speaker 1: I don't know that the ninth one, it barely flexed,
25:19
Speaker 1: so maybe that wouldn't have been a strike. We didn't
25:22
Speaker 1: see the actual challenge system enacted, but Angie pointed it
25:26
Speaker 1: out and it showed it up on the screen that
25:28
Speaker 1: it was touching the strikes one.
25:29
Speaker 2: That's all it's got to do.
25:31
Speaker 1: And so it's like, I hope to Gus for God
25:35
Speaker 1: that Mitch Garver wasn't trying to protect his challenge stats
25:40
Speaker 1: because when you have one to burn and the games
25:43
Speaker 1: on the line, it's the ninth it's the ninth inning,
25:46
Speaker 1: help your pitcher out. Don't leave that challenge in your pocket,
25:51
Speaker 1: especially in that situation. So I think he's got a
25:53
Speaker 1: little explaining to do. I'm just gonna trust that it wasn't. Well, gosh,
25:58
Speaker 1: I'm pretty good at this. The one thing I'm good at.
26:02
Speaker 1: I didn't want to hurt my stats.
26:03
Speaker 2: Skip.
26:04
Speaker 3: It's the designated walker taking his approach to his catching
26:08
Speaker 3: ability because he thinks he knows the strike zone better
26:11
Speaker 3: than anyone else. It's been the best in the League.
26:16
Speaker 1: Yes, so use it. It's a use it or lose
26:18
Speaker 1: its situation. They they it's it's just like timeouts in football, right.
26:22
Speaker 1: I am okay with being a little aggressive, especially later
26:25
Speaker 1: in the game with those challenges, right, Yes, you sure
26:28
Speaker 1: you don't like.
26:31
Speaker 2: One last night?
26:32
Speaker 3: Who cares like if the game's over?
26:35
Speaker 2: Right?
26:35
Speaker 3: So, and that guy in the ninth inning, I forget
26:38
Speaker 3: which hitter it was. It might have been it was
26:41
Speaker 3: on ahead of mind draft, I can't remember, but he
26:44
Speaker 3: went into score the winning run and that ended up
26:48
Speaker 3: being a huge difference in the game. So if you
26:51
Speaker 3: challenge that, Vargas get the strike, Yeah it was Vargas,
26:53
Speaker 3: you're right, Uh, And the couple of pitches later you
26:56
Speaker 3: hit him, right, So if you challenge that the strikeout,
27:01
Speaker 3: it's just one run. You go to extras. You never
27:02
Speaker 3: know what can happen. But yeah, it's just I wish
27:05
Speaker 3: I hope that's not the reason why he's doing it.
27:06
Speaker 2: It better not be it.
27:07
Speaker 1: I only hope it better not be the reason, But
27:10
Speaker 1: I also can't figure out what the reason would be. Hey,
27:14
Speaker 1: that was a Those were both big moments. We got
27:17
Speaker 1: away with it in the eighth and then didn't get
27:19
Speaker 1: away with it in the ninth h is for Hancock.
27:22
Speaker 1: I mentioned this earlier in the show, But man, this
27:26
Speaker 1: piggyback thing is not over with like this first experiment,
27:29
Speaker 1: because Emerson Hancock is the reason that we're doing it
27:33
Speaker 1: in the first place. And now we have used Castillo
27:37
Speaker 1: and Miller both last night, and I would argue there's
27:41
Speaker 1: nothing wrong with letting Miller just go last night, and
27:43
Speaker 1: then maybe Castillo piggybacks with Emerson today. Maybe the game
27:48
Speaker 1: is played differently today. But now all of a sudden,
27:51
Speaker 1: you probably don't have muon Yos, you don't have a piggyback.
27:54
Speaker 1: And the guy that caused all of this mess for
27:57
Speaker 1: all good reasons, sure is probably gonna have to go
28:01
Speaker 1: deep if he blows up today, if he has a
28:05
Speaker 1: bad outing today. I mean, that's worst case scenario for
28:09
Speaker 1: round one of the piggyback experiment.
28:11
Speaker 3: Yeah, and like you can't get out of the third
28:13
Speaker 3: inning or something, and then you have to burn a
28:15
Speaker 3: lot of bullpen arms, which you're one short anyway because
28:18
Speaker 3: of this piggyback experiment. Look, I think he'll be fine.
28:21
Speaker 3: I think the matchup with Hancock against this White Sox
28:26
Speaker 3: team is good because he's been so good at not
28:28
Speaker 3: walking people this year, and that's been one of the
28:31
Speaker 3: strengths of the White Sox. If you keep it in
28:33
Speaker 3: the zone and trust your stuff, I think he'll be fine.
28:36
Speaker 3: But you can't overstate how important it's not just last night.
28:41
Speaker 3: That the effects are not done yet, as you're saying,
28:44
Speaker 3: if it kind of reverberates throughout the one round, through
28:48
Speaker 3: the rotation. So if he struggles today, I don't know
28:53
Speaker 3: what Dan Wilson's gonna turn to earlier in the game.
28:55
Speaker 2: So we'll see.
28:56
Speaker 1: If you would hate to get brashed back today and
28:58
Speaker 1: we have to pitch him for two in a meaningless game,
29:02
Speaker 1: that would I mean we're talking worst case scenarios, but
29:06
Speaker 1: just pitch well Emerson, I mean catch, give us one break.
29:10
Speaker 2: Out of all of this.
29:11
Speaker 1: Finally, eyes for each Hero. I just can't get enough
29:15
Speaker 1: of it. When a Japanese player comes over to America
29:20
Speaker 1: and as established as he is, and no matter how
29:23
Speaker 1: big a star that he is in his country, no
29:26
Speaker 1: matter how good a start he is off to as
29:28
Speaker 1: a Major League baseball player. I love the video of
29:31
Speaker 1: when they come to Seattle and they see each hero
29:34
Speaker 1: and they light up like a little kid and they
29:36
Speaker 1: run out and then they bow to him, and it's
29:38
Speaker 1: just respect, respect, respect, respect, respect. I love it, just
29:42
Speaker 1: love it. And that is why I wouldn't mind having
29:44
Speaker 1: seven or eight Japanese players on our team.
29:47
Speaker 2: No.
29:47
Speaker 1: They respect the game, they respect their teammates, they respect
29:51
Speaker 1: those that have come before them, and there's just not
29:54
Speaker 1: enough respect in the world. And so I just love
29:57
Speaker 1: the respect that Japanese players show the entire process. And
30:02
Speaker 1: we got a little slice of it again last night
30:04
Speaker 1: seeing Murakami run out like a little kid to you know,
30:08
Speaker 1: go sit on Santa's lap to each Euro, so that
30:11
Speaker 1: he made sure he paid his respects to the great
30:13
Speaker 1: each Ero.
30:14
Speaker 3: Yeah, and not to mention, they're really good at baseball
30:16
Speaker 3: right now, and that's the thing that matters most to me.
30:19
Speaker 3: So yeah, the whole Murtalka Murcami conversation the off season
30:23
Speaker 3: kind of looks a little, I mean weird now because
30:25
Speaker 3: everyone's like, I don't know what the strikeout right, Well,
30:27
Speaker 3: that's come to fruition, but he's sitting in seventeen home runs,
30:30
Speaker 3: so I don't know.
30:30
Speaker 1: Yeah, White Socks are really glad everybody else chickened out
30:35
Speaker 1: on giving Murakami money.
30:36
Speaker 2: Yes, they are because they're actually pretty good.
30:39
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, coming up next on the other side,
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Speaker 1: it's another palette cleanser. We preview tonight's basketball game, and really,
30:47
Speaker 1: oh go, I'm gonna lie. We're not gonna preview tonight's
30:50
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30:52
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31:27
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31:31
Speaker 2: Wow, we're gonna run it through.
31:37
Speaker 1: The Dan Wilson prism at nine o'clock. I've been running
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Speaker 1: last night through different prisms here so far this morning,
31:43
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31:54
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31:57
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32:03
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32:27
Speaker 1: Speaking of the NBA Playoffs, Spurs thunder tonight Game number two,
32:31
Speaker 1: Spurs up one to nothing, no doubt. The big story
32:34
Speaker 1: in game number one was the performance by Victor Winmbinyama.
32:39
Speaker 1: He was phenomenal. It's going down being discussed as one
32:42
Speaker 1: of the great postseason performances in the history of the NBA.
32:46
Speaker 1: And what might he have in store for us in
32:48
Speaker 1: game number two. If you are having to DraftKings sportsbook,
32:51
Speaker 1: my advice would be go Thunder, go big on the Thunder.
32:54
Speaker 2: Yeah.
32:55
Speaker 1: I think the Spurs accomplished what they needed to accomplish.
32:57
Speaker 1: I think that's why Mitch Johnson played Victor Indama for
33:01
Speaker 1: forty eight minutes in Game number one, when you know
33:04
Speaker 1: we didn't want to It's like, I don't care, I
33:06
Speaker 1: gotta get this one. I'm going to get this one,
33:09
Speaker 1: and then we've accomplished what we set out to accomplish
33:11
Speaker 1: in Oklahoma. So my guess is the Thunder blow them away.
33:16
Speaker 1: I mean, you see that a lot today in NBA
33:18
Speaker 1: playoffs in the modern era.
33:20
Speaker 2: I think they win by like thirty tonight.
33:22
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think if you're kind of surveying who this
33:25
Speaker 3: game means more to, it's by far the Oklahoma City Thunder, because,
33:29
Speaker 3: like you said, the Spurs got what they needed to.
33:32
Speaker 3: If you were to offer them one and you win
33:35
Speaker 3: one and you lose one in OKAC before going back
33:37
Speaker 3: to San Antonio, absolutely you take that. And then, of course,
33:42
Speaker 3: through the scope of OKC, that's their first loss this
33:46
Speaker 3: postseason period, that's the first game they've lost. So I'm
33:50
Speaker 3: interested to see how they kind of respond to that.
33:54
Speaker 3: But I think they're gonna be a little bit extra
33:56
Speaker 3: extra motivated to get this one.
33:58
Speaker 2: Of all the rust versus best games you've ever seen
34:01
Speaker 2: in the playoffs.
34:02
Speaker 1: As that discussion gets tiresomeone else that was the rustiest
34:06
Speaker 1: the Thunder have ever looked. I mean they not only
34:09
Speaker 1: had they not played in like a week and a half,
34:13
Speaker 1: Jalen Williams had only played two half games in the playoffs.
34:18
Speaker 1: It's as if they were trying, they were going out
34:20
Speaker 1: of their way to get Jalen Williams involved, and in
34:22
Speaker 1: doing so, nobody else got involved. Yeah, and so they
34:26
Speaker 1: were out of sync. I think they'll see a better
34:28
Speaker 1: version of them going forward. But I also think there's
34:30
Speaker 1: a very good chance that the Spurs, because the NBA
34:33
Speaker 1: Playoffs are all about matchups, might just be a bad
34:36
Speaker 1: matchup for Okay, see that's what we all got to
34:38
Speaker 1: pin our hopes do.
34:39
Speaker 3: Yeah, you kind of triggered me there, trying to get
34:42
Speaker 3: someone involved when you maybe shouldn't have. Yeah, I thought
34:47
Speaker 3: this was supposed to be a palate cleanser chuck. Oh no,
34:50
Speaker 3: don't remind me more of the piggybacks.
34:52
Speaker 1: Oh okay, No, I don't think there was a piggyback
34:56
Speaker 1: situation going on.
34:57
Speaker 2: Now, we'll get back to that at nine o'clock.
34:58
Speaker 1: It's triggering me. Sorry, I do want to talk about
35:02
Speaker 1: one thing. I want to nerd out a little. I
35:04
Speaker 1: love nerd Chuck, let's go Game one of OKC versus
35:07
Speaker 1: San Antonio. There was a moment in the game and
35:10
Speaker 1: if it doesn't capsulize what sabermetrics analytics have done to
35:16
Speaker 1: sports today, OKAC was trailing by two, and it was
35:22
Speaker 1: late in the contest, like very late in the regulation,
35:26
Speaker 1: like seconds remaining, and SGA gets the ball, which usually
35:31
Speaker 1: in that situation like everybody's surrounding SGA. And it was
35:35
Speaker 1: a great play designed by Mike Daniel, the OKAC head coach,
35:41
Speaker 1: because he clears everything out so SGA beats his guy
35:44
Speaker 1: and now has a clear.
35:46
Speaker 2: Path to the basket to tie the game up.
35:49
Speaker 1: Clear if not for the fact that San Antonio has
35:52
Speaker 1: a seven foot five inch giraffe, nothing's clear that can
35:56
Speaker 1: make up any amount of ground in the blink and
36:00
Speaker 1: eye and swat a ball away from a six foot
36:04
Speaker 1: six inch two guard even if he is does have
36:08
Speaker 1: a clear But this, if this doesn't encapsulate the modern
36:12
Speaker 1: day game whim Ben Yama didn't come to help. He
36:16
Speaker 1: let him have the layup, He let him tie the game.
36:20
Speaker 1: Now this I know. Back when dinosaurs lived, when I
36:24
Speaker 1: was a kid, Andrews and I played basketball twenty six
36:28
Speaker 1: and zero high school basketball team. I've never told Ashley
36:31
Speaker 1: and Bucky that first time I've ever mentioned this on
36:33
Speaker 1: the air, the job was to you always stopped ball,
36:37
Speaker 1: stop ball. That was the in that situation. I don't
36:42
Speaker 1: worry about the kickoff. The pass might be bad, the
36:44
Speaker 1: shot will be off, but I got to stop ball
36:46
Speaker 1: because I'm not gonna.
36:47
Speaker 2: Give a layup.
36:49
Speaker 1: You have the greatest rim protector, arguably ever, and yet
36:55
Speaker 1: he has been instructed don't leave chet Holmgren for an
36:59
Speaker 1: oh open three, because even if they get the easy two,
37:04
Speaker 1: we still have overtime. I mean, there's probably a twenty
37:09
Speaker 1: percent chance Chet Holdenrin makes a game winning three point
37:12
Speaker 1: field goal with the game on the line in that situation.
37:16
Speaker 1: But the metrics, or at least how Mitch Johnson read
37:19
Speaker 1: the metrics, was don't leave your man for a three,
37:24
Speaker 1: even if they get an easy two. And that's how
37:27
Speaker 1: the Spurs played it. Now they tied it up. Who knows,
37:31
Speaker 1: you know, maybe they shouldn't have. Odds are if you
37:36
Speaker 1: left him stopped ball, Holmgren has a twenty five percent
37:40
Speaker 1: shot probably normally like a thirty five percent shot of
37:43
Speaker 1: making that, but add pressure to it, it's probably one
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Speaker 1: and four, but the one in four twenty five percent
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Speaker 1: chance of losing the game in that moment versus allowing
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Speaker 1: him to tie and go to overtime. Mitch Johnson's team
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Speaker 1: of analytics said that was more important to us. We'll
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Speaker 1: go ahead and take overtime on the road, versus possibly
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Speaker 1: losing on a wide open three in the corner. So
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Speaker 1: you're telling me crazy. You're telling me, Chuck, that a
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Speaker 1: coach of a sports team was not bullied into changing
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Speaker 1: his strategy earlier in the game than he wanted.
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Speaker 2: To stop it. I'm sorry.
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Speaker 3: I'm viewing everything in the scope of last night's Mariners
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Speaker 3: game and this Mariner's season right now. I don't know why,
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Speaker 3: but I see the similarities everywhere. Now it's crazy. All right, Well,
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Speaker 3: we're going to talk about Dan Wilson next. We're going
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Speaker 3: to run the piggyback situation through the manager's prism. Sports
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