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Are the Tigers' shortcomings catching up to them? · Tiger Territory: A Detroit Tigers Podcast

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Speaker 1: And welcome into another episode of Tiger Territory, part of
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Speaker 1: the Foul Territory Network Detroit Tiger's podcast. I'm Kieren Stickley
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Speaker 1: with me as always a man who prefers the wire
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Speaker 1: to the pit.
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Speaker 2: He is coach Stavin Eggan. How are we doing?
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Speaker 3: Both great shows? The pit has a long way to
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Speaker 3: go to crack my all time rankings though the wire, Yeah,
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Speaker 3: number number two or three all time. Number one's actually
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Speaker 3: Matt Man. For those wondering to do a whole podcast about.
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Speaker 1: That, Yeah, we will be doing a whole podcast about
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Speaker 1: that kind of stuff if they.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, so don't worry.
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Speaker 1: We're we're coming up with all kinds of creative angles
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Speaker 1: for that. We will not be going anywhere despite what
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Speaker 1: happens with the CBA. All right, speaking of not going
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Speaker 1: anywhere or maybe going somewhere, we are recording this early
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Speaker 1: evening on Wednesday, shortly after the Tigers drop a series,
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Speaker 1: the first road series in a bit Cody. They had
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Speaker 1: eight to five win on on Monday, for one loss
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Speaker 1: on Tuesday in a four to three loss on Wednesday.
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Speaker 1: And you know the way that I just kind of
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Speaker 1: went through this series in my mind, I was like this.
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Speaker 2: This felt like a.
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Speaker 1: Like a like a pothole series, Like even in even
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Speaker 1: on Monday, Cody, like you're cruising. All of a sudden,
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Speaker 1: a couple of bases on balls, an extra base hit,
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Speaker 1: and and you got to sweat out a game in
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Speaker 1: which you were up six plus runs, right uh. And
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Speaker 1: then Tuesday, Montero perfect through four and you get you
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Speaker 1: get the elation of, you know, a guy having his
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Speaker 1: first first career home run, Brett Callahan, you know, like
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Speaker 1: awesome moment. You know again, we never tire of that
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Speaker 1: kind of stuff. And then bam, two run shot, and
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Speaker 1: now you're trailing. You never get back in that game
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Speaker 1: really because of superb pitching on the other side. And
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Speaker 1: then Wednesday, I mean, I don't know what else you
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Speaker 1: could call what we saw in the ninth any other
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Speaker 1: than like a couple of potholes. And even leading up
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Speaker 1: to that, wagasback a guy that we've been kind of
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Speaker 1: giving flowers hangs a cutter. It's three to two, and
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Speaker 1: then Jansen comes in gives up two home runs at
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Speaker 1: tire and a walk off. So at a time where
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Speaker 1: you really did kind of need to cruise along in
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Speaker 1: order to maintain relevancy, you're still gonna be in the
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Speaker 1: playoff race. Quote unquote, he ended up running into some
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Speaker 1: pothill potholes. And it's hard for me to say, like
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Speaker 1: there's a glimmer of hope after this, because that was
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Speaker 1: a very winnable series that you just dropped to a
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Speaker 1: team that it does not play, does not have a
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Speaker 1: lot of reason to play with a lot of hope.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, So one of the thoughts that came to mind,
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Speaker 3: especially watching the game Monday, which was close in the
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Speaker 3: game Wednesday, was like, oh, well, at least the Pirates
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Speaker 3: lineup isn't very good. Be really sweating if they had
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Speaker 3: a good lineup, and yet Wednesday the lineup was certainly
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Speaker 3: good enough to make the difference interesting because we've talked,
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Speaker 3: we've focused so much on the bullpen, and we saw
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Speaker 3: some good and unfortunately some bad. We saw Drew Summers
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Speaker 3: look absolutely lights out. We saw Kyle Finnigan have a
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Speaker 3: better inning Monday, but then we get to Wednesday, the
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Speaker 3: Jacob Waggispak magic kind of ran out, or maybe is
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Speaker 3: beginning to run out. He's been really good, but this
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Speaker 3: is a guy in his thirties who's never had sustained
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Speaker 3: success in the Big Leagues before? Is it that shocking
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Speaker 3: that he's given up a couple of home run balls lately?
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Speaker 3: Kyle Finnigan got in some trouble, wasn't commanding the ball well.
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Speaker 3: He got out of the inning unscathed, But guess what
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Speaker 3: I thought. Chris McCosky made a great point in his
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Speaker 3: postgame question to a J Hinch. A couple walks, Guess
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Speaker 3: what happens that turns the lineup over? Kinley had to
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Speaker 3: go face at the top of their order, and what
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Speaker 3: happens a couple home run balls. So, even though there's
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Speaker 3: not a run charge to Kyle Finninggan's name, Kyle Finnigan's
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Speaker 3: command issues continue to impact that series finale and then
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Speaker 3: the return of the Kinley Jansen home run balls is
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Speaker 3: also unfortunate. Seemed at points like Kinley had been a
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Speaker 3: lot better even watching that outing. I mean, both of
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Speaker 3: them runs were in two strike counts. One of them,
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Speaker 3: you know, the first one, that's a cutter inside. I
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Speaker 3: don't think it was even a strike, but the guy
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Speaker 3: might have been sitting on it. And then the last
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Speaker 3: one it was a bad pitch. And that was AJ
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Speaker 3: Hinch's point. The velocity ninety five cutters. That's great, he
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Speaker 3: still have to locate he didn't do that in the
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Speaker 3: two strike count when it counted most. And here you are.
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Speaker 3: The Tigers lost their nineteenth game when leading after seven
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Speaker 3: or more. That's the most in baseball. That's kind of
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Speaker 3: been the story of this season.
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Speaker 1: How much of these, like late inning losses, is like
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Speaker 1: the luck factor of the game or the misconstruction of
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Speaker 1: a roster. That's so like I'm asking the question knowing
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Speaker 1: that there's no real antw are available because it's it's both, really,
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Speaker 1: but at the same time, this just seems like it's
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Speaker 1: happening over and despite what some may say, it happening.
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Speaker 2: Over and over and over again.
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Speaker 1: And like the Jansen piece of this, excuse me, Jensen
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Speaker 1: piece of this is Janson, Sorry, I always got those confused.
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Speaker 1: Is as curious as anything, because we were just talking before.
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Speaker 1: There's not really like one metric that just kind of
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Speaker 1: like rings the alarm bells at you when you're looking
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Speaker 1: them up.
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Speaker 2: Those were his first home runs. I'm looking this up.
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Speaker 1: Since June twenty eighth, Cody June twenty eighth, that's more
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Speaker 1: than a dozen appearances since then, he had not given
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Speaker 1: up a home run and he gives up two in
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Speaker 1: a spot they had opportunity to win a series and
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Speaker 1: really get some momentum going into into Kansas City, Like
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Speaker 1: I don't know, Like what is it?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's definitely a little bit of a puzzle
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Speaker 3: if you just look up, because there are times right
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Speaker 3: where Kinley Jansen, he's thirty eight, it's like, man, he
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Speaker 3: has he just lost it. Then you look and it's like, well,
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Speaker 3: I don't know. A lot of his metrics are better
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Speaker 3: than last year when he had a two five nine ERA,
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Speaker 3: but terrible metrics this year. The average exit velocity is
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Speaker 3: down from ninety one point five to eighty seven point eight.
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Speaker 3: The expected batting averages two oh three, Like the overall
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Speaker 3: ERA is up, but it's not terrible. He's walked more guys.
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Speaker 3: That's a big one. That jumps out. A fourteen point
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Speaker 3: three percent walk, right, It wasn't what bit him today,
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Speaker 3: but that still hurts you. And then it's like, I
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Speaker 3: don't know, he's striking guys out, he's actually missing bats.
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Speaker 3: One of the biggest criticisms of this bullpen Kinley twenty
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Speaker 3: seven point nine percent strikeout rate, which is solid, but
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Speaker 3: he is struggling to get the ball on the ground.
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Speaker 3: Twenty two point two percent ground ball rate, one of
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Speaker 3: the lowest of his career. There's been more lined drives,
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Speaker 3: a good amount of balls in the air. And you
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Speaker 3: have a lot of balls in the air, you know
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Speaker 3: what sends to happen. Some of those leave the yard.
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Speaker 3: So those are a few things that have bit them
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Speaker 3: trying to dig a little deeper. Like, I wonder how
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Speaker 3: much of this is just when you have excuse me,
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Speaker 3: that was the wrong graphic. When you have one pitch,
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Speaker 3: it has to be really good all the time. And
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Speaker 3: now you look, the velocity on his cutter is pretty consistent.
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Speaker 3: The movement on his cutter overall is still good. But
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Speaker 3: stuff plus grades his cutter at one oh eight, which
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Speaker 3: is really good above average. Also the lowest sense pinch
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Speaker 3: modeling came into existence in twenty twenty. The location plus
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Speaker 3: is one hundred, so league average, okay, better than it's
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Speaker 3: been at other points in his career. But I do
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Speaker 3: wonder if that cutter begins to slip even just a
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Speaker 3: little bit relative to league average, if hitters are able
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Speaker 3: to cheat to it, is that why it gets hit?
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Speaker 3: Is that why it gets hit for power kind of
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Speaker 3: a conundrum with Kinley Jansen because he he hasn't probably
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Speaker 3: been as bad overall as it has felt like at times,
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Speaker 3: and yet his fifth blown save Tigers League Baseball twenty
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Speaker 3: eight blown saves, it's still hard to feel great when
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Speaker 3: he's coming in in the ninth inning.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's not even that much a usage thing
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Speaker 1: if you look at like his past couple of years,
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Speaker 1: Like that's what I was kind of looking for. I
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Speaker 1: was like, Oh, is this maybe somewhat of the result
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Speaker 1: of like will vest A being hurt, be like not
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Speaker 1: being as consistent as we expected will Best to be.
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Speaker 2: Well, No, not really.
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Speaker 1: I Like, if you want to say AJ has been
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Speaker 1: selective of his usage of Kenley, then I think that's
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Speaker 1: a fair point to make. The problem is it hasn't
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Speaker 1: necessarily resulted in the intended consequence of that action, which
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Speaker 1: is that he would be more fresh, which is that
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Speaker 1: he would be a little bit more dialed in, and
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Speaker 1: and if you look at like walk offs that he's allowed,
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Speaker 1: and like when every single game matters in this playoff race, Like,
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Speaker 1: so it's an oversimplification to say, like, just make those
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Speaker 1: saves blown saves happen. But this will be one of
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Speaker 1: the things I guess remembered about this season. We're kind
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Speaker 1: of regardless of how it finishes, it's just like all
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Speaker 1: the missed opportunities that this team had, and certainly Wednesday
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Speaker 1: was one of those. Let's get to Jackson Job real
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Speaker 1: quick because we're still you know, I feel like we
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Speaker 1: talk about him so much, but now we actually have
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Speaker 1: like tangible things to talk about. We shouldn't miss opportunities
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Speaker 1: to react to his outing. It's kind of a cool
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Speaker 1: thing if you're into like pitching prospects and young maybe
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Speaker 1: futures of the game or whatever. You know, Jackson Joe
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Speaker 1: versus Paul skeins Joe for his part five point one,
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Speaker 1: I thought it was really important for him to come
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Speaker 1: out for the sixth inning and get that final get
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Speaker 1: that final out that I mean, the smile on his face.
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Speaker 1: He doesn't he isn't a modal that much, but that
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Speaker 1: was one of the more like satisfactory facial expressions that
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Speaker 1: I've seen from Jackson Job when he was able. He
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Speaker 1: battled in that at bet able to get the out
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Speaker 1: for one earned run, three walks, three k still kind
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Speaker 1: of finding himself, but obviously more than anything else, a
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Speaker 1: good bounce back after a game in which he was
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Speaker 1: it was shelld a little bit. Let's be honest, he
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Speaker 1: was shelld a little bit at a nice bounce.
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Speaker 3: Back, Mike, we could almost do it with Kinley, but
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Speaker 3: we can definitely do it here. Bringing back the old
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Speaker 3: threading the needle segment, trying to see two sides of
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Speaker 3: this coin. On one hand, Jackson job didn't really do
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Speaker 3: a lot of the things I was hoping to see
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Speaker 3: him do. Did he strike guys out?
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Speaker 1: Know what?
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Speaker 3: Three punch outs on the day? Did he miss bats
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Speaker 3: hardly at all? Six whiffs on forty three swings remained
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Speaker 3: such a conundrum for a guy who throws one hundred
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Speaker 3: with three thousand rpm breaking balls, He's gonna have to
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Speaker 3: improve there. Still still walked a few hitters. Don't like that.
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Speaker 3: So some of the things that I'm like really locked
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Speaker 3: in on not happening. And then it's like, I don't know,
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Speaker 3: this is a young guy, just a handful of what
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Speaker 3: a handful of major league starts under his belt. Third
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Speaker 3: start back from Tommy John fifteen, So he's pitched less
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Speaker 3: in the major leagues than Troy Melton. Third start back
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Speaker 3: from Tommy John. He gets six ups, he kind of
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Speaker 3: grinds it out a little bit. He leaves with his
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Speaker 3: team in position to win the game. There is something
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Speaker 3: to be said for that, as he continues to refine
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Speaker 3: things on the fly, learned to pitch in the major leagues,
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Speaker 3: kind of on the fly. For him to get six
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Speaker 3: ups and leave with a good line score, could do
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Speaker 3: a lot worse. In fact, we saw him do a
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Speaker 3: lot worse his last time out. So some good and
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Speaker 3: some bad for Jackson Joe.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, And look if if I can just kind of
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Speaker 1: give credit here, like one of the things I liked,
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Speaker 1: and I'm not gonna be able to recall exactly which Enny,
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Speaker 1: but he had a walk, you know, with with one
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Speaker 1: out and then next guy frustrating walk and the next
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Speaker 1: guy up ball right to him, no panic field, throw
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Speaker 1: a second base, get the double play. Like those kind
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Speaker 1: as the little things, especially a guy that just doesn't
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Speaker 1: have that many like major league outings, major league starts,
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Speaker 1: Like those kind of little things are what I'm looking
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Speaker 1: for to in addition to all the you know.
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Speaker 2: The stuff, plus and you know the things that you described,
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Speaker 2: is like how is he in moments of chaos?
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Speaker 1: You know that you can't necessarily like game plan for
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Speaker 1: He passed that test for me, and like you said,
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Speaker 1: he obviously gave the team a chance to win.
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Speaker 3: So those things matter too, Kieren. I remember talking to
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Speaker 3: Scott's Service in the middle, former Mariners manager, in the
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Speaker 3: middle of Tek Scoobel's twenty twenty four season, asking him
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Speaker 3: about Scooble. He's like, one of the things Scooble does
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Speaker 3: really well, Like all parts of his game have gotten better.
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Speaker 3: He feelds his position well. Some people may disagree, but
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Speaker 3: Scott's Service thought he just fielded his position well. He
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Speaker 3: held runners really well. That's part of what it takes
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Speaker 3: to become like an unbeatable ace. If a guy gets
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Speaker 3: on can he run on you? If they make you
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Speaker 3: feel your position, can you handle it? So like being
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Speaker 3: able to do things like that absolutely part of this
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Speaker 3: process for Jackson Joe, and he was better out with
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Speaker 3: the stretch today, which which I think was notable.
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Speaker 1: Speaking of the process, we are going to talk a
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Speaker 1: little bit Max Clark and what we've seen from him
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Speaker 2: All right, coming back here.
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Speaker 1: You know if you google Max Clark's name right now,
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Speaker 1: there's one of those aggregate websites that's like Max Clark
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Speaker 1: goes viral and it's like, all right, did I miss something.
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Speaker 2: No, it's his sketch that he had in center.
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Speaker 1: Field on on Monday night where you you know, banged
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Speaker 1: into the wall.
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Speaker 2: And that's a perfect example, Cody.
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Speaker 1: Of in a way, Max Clark has like exceeded expectations,
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Speaker 1: and then the expectations everything around Max Clark has been
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Speaker 1: below expectations. And I mean that in a good way.
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Speaker 1: Let me explain, is that Max Clark is performing. If
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Speaker 1: you just want to look at the raw numbers, hitting
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Speaker 1: two seventy one, it's got nineteen hits, three twenty on
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Speaker 1: base seven thirty four. Ops. Uh, he's in there every day,
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Speaker 1: he's facing lefties. You know, he's playing center field. I
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Speaker 1: think there has been a noticeable difference in him playing
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Speaker 1: center field and how how the game looks and how
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Speaker 1: the game plays, and thus far we haven't had to
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Speaker 1: deal with any dumb Max Clark discourse. And of course
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Speaker 1: I mean that in the sense that it's not him
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Speaker 1: doing it outrageously, it's the people reacting to him. Right, So,
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Speaker 1: like all like two thumbs up for the Max clark
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Speaker 1: debut thus far, he keeps doing like little things too.
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Speaker 2: Even today.
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Speaker 1: On Glabor Torres's hit, he's at second base and he
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Speaker 1: reads it right away. That's gonna be in between her
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Speaker 1: that falls. He scores easily and uh and then even
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Speaker 1: causing a little chaos, you know, getting back to first
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Speaker 1: base on a backpick attempt, and then you know getting
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Speaker 1: the second base too. Like he is as advertised and
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Speaker 1: certainly far from his ceiling. And when you're empty at
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Speaker 1: bats into a major league career, I think that's a
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Speaker 1: good thing to say about a kid.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I've been just really impressed with Max Clark in
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Speaker 3: his debut so far. Not everything has been perfect. He's
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Speaker 3: even went through a little bit of a rough patch
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Speaker 3: of the plate. He hasn't walked a lot, but he's
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Speaker 3: played tremendous defense plus three outs above average already. He's
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Speaker 3: held his own, done a lot of the things he
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Speaker 3: was billed to do. Maybe we'll see the walkstick up,
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Speaker 3: but he doesn't really whiff. He gives you tough at bats.
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Speaker 3: One thing I've always worried, you know, he seems to
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Speaker 3: just roll over to second base a lot. Right in
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Speaker 3: the White Sox series, we kind of started to see
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Speaker 3: that some weak contact a second, but then it's like, well,
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Speaker 3: scrunball rates only thirty six percent, so far, not bad.
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Speaker 3: His average launch angle's seventeen. Like he's kind of getting
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Speaker 3: the ball in the air. It's taking hits the opposite
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Speaker 3: way we've seen him hit a home run. For a
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Speaker 3: young guy who as recently as a month ago was
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Speaker 3: still fine tuning a lot of things down in triple A,
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Speaker 3: I'm not sure you could ask for this debut to
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Speaker 3: go a whole lot better. He hasn't seemed overwhelmed. He's
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Speaker 3: definitely kept his head down, almost been kind of quiet.
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Speaker 3: I feel like, from what I've seen in the clubhouse,
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Speaker 3: seems to be fitting in, seems to be adding a
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Speaker 3: layer of speed and defense to this team that is
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Speaker 3: certainly welcome. So so far, so good. For Max Click, it's.
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Speaker 1: Kind of crazy, like he doesn't have a stolen base
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Speaker 1: yet to keep kind of waiting every time, every time
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Speaker 1: he's on base to see, like, are we gonna get
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Speaker 1: that first career like you know, Steele, And obviously we'll
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Speaker 1: have to wait, you know, at least until Kansas City
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Speaker 1: to see if that's the case. But there's obviously more unlock.
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Speaker 1: I mean, he's battled. Like I said, he's facing lefties.
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Speaker 1: A couple of months ago, when we were going over
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Speaker 1: his minor league stats, I was like, please, God, Max
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Speaker 1: hit lefty, so we don't have to do this same
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Speaker 1: discourse that we had to do with this team over
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Speaker 1: and over again. And to AJ's credit, to his credit,
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Speaker 1: he's in there against these guys, and so I think
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Speaker 1: the think that's really cool. And then.
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Speaker 2: Also I would say, like.
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Speaker 1: If he was the worst version of what people have
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Speaker 1: kind of assumed that obviously don't know him, they'll talk
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Speaker 1: to him. Just like look at the tattoos and the
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Speaker 1: chains and the social media stuff. If he was that guy,
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Speaker 1: you think we'd we'd hear something about like Brett Callahan
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Speaker 1: batting ahead of him in the battle, you.
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Speaker 2: Know what I mean? And I like that.
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Speaker 1: Obviously that's no diss on im Brett at all. But
18:30
Speaker 1: like if if Max Clark was this prima donna, you
18:32
Speaker 1: think he's like, oh cool, another lefty outfielder that just
18:37
Speaker 1: got here that does that have the profile of me
18:39
Speaker 1: is batting ahead of me.
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Speaker 2: That's awesome, you know what I mean?
18:43
Speaker 1: Like, if if he was that bad, there'd be something
18:45
Speaker 1: there I'm just saying, and the fact that there.
18:47
Speaker 3: Is pretty bad, that would be really bad. I don't
18:50
Speaker 3: know what player would be dumb enough as a rookie
18:52
Speaker 3: to like tweet why is Brett Callahan hitting ahead of
18:55
Speaker 3: me or something? By the way, shout out Brett Callahan,
18:58
Speaker 3: first career home ya, first step bat, first player from
19:02
Speaker 3: Saint Joe's to Homer in the major leagues. This kid
19:06
Speaker 3: is another guy who's just all these guys stepping in
19:09
Speaker 3: and like playing well right away. You kind of expect that,
19:14
Speaker 3: or at least we're hoping for that with Clark and
19:16
Speaker 3: with McGonagall. I'm not sure anyone could really put that
19:20
Speaker 3: sort of expectation on Brett Callahan or even Ben Maljerry.
19:24
Speaker 3: It's just been amazing how these young guys have come
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Speaker 3: up and not looked daunted and been able to perform
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Speaker 3: right out of the gate.
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Speaker 1: Yes, and here in a second, we're gonna talk to
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Speaker 1: talk about a guy who technically did not perform right
19:39
Speaker 1: out of the gate, but once he got past that gate,
19:41
Speaker 1: it's been.
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Speaker 2: Doing pretty well.
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Speaker 1: you leave, man, All this guy does is just play
21:05
Speaker 1: the game of baseball in a way that that makes
21:08
Speaker 1: me happy. And and I don't I don't want to,
21:11
Speaker 1: and I want to talk about him right now, and
21:13
Speaker 1: not in a way that we're projecting out out of
21:16
Speaker 1: fairness to what we've seen right now, because I don't
21:18
Speaker 1: want any anything to get muddied here. But what we're
21:21
Speaker 1: not watching right now is a guy who's unafraid, a
21:23
Speaker 1: guy who plays hard all the time and doesn't like
21:28
Speaker 1: waiver in the face of mistakes, and doesn't waiver.
21:33
Speaker 2: Instinctually either.
21:34
Speaker 1: So like even just today, like you know, we'll take
21:36
Speaker 1: the five on on base uh game Monday out of
21:41
Speaker 1: the equation, just for just for the sake, We'll take
21:43
Speaker 1: the five out on base game out just today, you know,
21:47
Speaker 1: like opposite field home run against Paul's assuming not home run,
21:50
Speaker 1: opposite field hit against Paul schemes, he gets first a
21:54
Speaker 1: third on a on a play that he you know,
21:58
Speaker 1: kind of had to make a decision. Is like I
22:00
Speaker 1: am going now like he didn't necessarily do it from
22:03
Speaker 1: Jump Street. He had to make a decision mid run,
22:05
Speaker 1: I am going to third base. I was a ball
22:07
Speaker 1: to left field. And then he also that that was
22:11
Speaker 1: not a guarantee on that tag to get home there,
22:14
Speaker 1: Like he had to hustle his way down there. He's
22:17
Speaker 1: got a dirty uniform to prove it. And I'm just
22:20
Speaker 1: like really impressed. Even his walk in the fit. The
22:23
Speaker 1: thing that we keep talking about is like, can he
22:26
Speaker 1: take more walks? I don't know what that's ever gonna be,
22:29
Speaker 1: but he is capable of it. I think we've seen
22:31
Speaker 1: enough examples of that here. And then even the five
22:34
Speaker 1: to three double play that he had in the fourth inning,
22:37
Speaker 1: runners on first and second, he fields the ball at
22:40
Speaker 1: text their guns across to torqu at first base. It's
22:43
Speaker 1: just there's so many little things that appease me about
22:47
Speaker 1: watching how you Lee play baseball. And he's made me
22:50
Speaker 1: a believer in the fact that he deserves to be here.
22:54
Speaker 1: And that was something that that was a hurdle that
22:57
Speaker 1: we had to get to at a certain point.
22:58
Speaker 3: You know, Yeah, for sure, easy to forget already how
23:01
Speaker 3: rough his first little stint in the major leagues was
23:06
Speaker 3: another guy, like I was saying, who's just come up?
23:08
Speaker 3: And it didn't actually have it? You're right smooth right
23:11
Speaker 3: out of the gate, went back down, came back up,
23:14
Speaker 3: and then suddenly it started looking really smooth. Still has
23:18
Speaker 3: some things to clean up defensively, that's pretty obvious, but
23:21
Speaker 3: I actually believe him to be a better defender than
23:24
Speaker 3: glabor tour As at second base. And I don't think
23:26
Speaker 3: I'm alone in that. You know, he can move pretty
23:28
Speaker 3: well despite he may not look like the fastest guy,
23:31
Speaker 3: but he can move. Still struggles watching those routine balls
23:34
Speaker 3: every now and then, but does some good things, some
23:37
Speaker 3: things to like in the field, despite it not always
23:40
Speaker 3: being the prettiest. And yeah, at the plate, he's held
23:42
Speaker 3: his own. Now we're starting to see that walk right
23:44
Speaker 3: tick up. That's a good sign. Don't know that I
23:47
Speaker 3: have a lot more to say about how you leave it.
23:49
Speaker 3: You're right here, and I think there's a guy who
23:51
Speaker 3: deserves some flowers. He's brought a little bit of energy,
23:54
Speaker 3: a little bit of that dog mentality. So at the
23:57
Speaker 3: clubhouse as I have a few of these younger guys,
24:00
Speaker 3: and those have all been positive things.
24:04
Speaker 1: You know, you look at the lineup that the Tigers
24:06
Speaker 1: are putting out there, and it's obviously a lot of
24:08
Speaker 1: young guys that people have been talking about the rookie
24:10
Speaker 1: element to this team. And what part of what made
24:14
Speaker 1: Wednesday so disappointing is that you got to Paul Skins,
24:18
Speaker 1: you know, like you know, like Lee was in there,
24:20
Speaker 1: like I said, gets the base hit to, you know,
24:22
Speaker 1: down the right field line. Max Clark gets a double
24:25
Speaker 1: off Paul Skans.
24:26
Speaker 2: I think that's.
24:26
Speaker 1: Kind of cool because those are two of the top
24:28
Speaker 1: three picks in the twenty twenty three draft, you know
24:30
Speaker 1: what I mean. So, uh, on a day that schedule
24:35
Speaker 1: a lot schedule wise was daunting, you got over the
24:39
Speaker 1: daunting part and then and then and then and then
24:42
Speaker 1: you still lost. Like I said, potholes, all right, a
24:45
Speaker 1: couple of topical things carry Carpenter looks like they're they've
24:51
Speaker 1: sent him to a specialist kind of I don't I
24:55
Speaker 1: don't know if the words shut down was used, but
24:57
Speaker 1: pause or you know whatever.
24:59
Speaker 6: I think.
25:00
Speaker 3: I guess that's a different thing being shut down. You
25:02
Speaker 3: haven't turned off the console, paused the game.
25:06
Speaker 2: Didn't throw the controller.
25:09
Speaker 1: I yet when I whenever I see like something of
25:12
Speaker 1: regarding specialists with you know, feet or even like obviously
25:17
Speaker 1: elbows and you know things like that. It's hard for
25:19
Speaker 1: me to think like, oh, okay, well it's just a
25:22
Speaker 1: little consultation, figure this out, and it'll be good to
25:24
Speaker 1: go here pretty soon. I'm starting to think we might
25:28
Speaker 1: not see I know they're leaving the door open, but
25:31
Speaker 1: it's it's hard for me to go there.
25:33
Speaker 2: I think we might have seen the last care carpenter.
25:35
Speaker 3: Unfortunately, well, yeah, I don't know. It's August nineteenth. I'll
25:39
Speaker 3: say that for anyone who's currently on the injured list,
25:42
Speaker 3: the window is very small. The margin for error is
25:47
Speaker 3: non existent. If Carrie isn't able to get back up
25:50
Speaker 3: and literally running soon, hard to see him coming back,
25:55
Speaker 3: because we know you want these guys to have a
25:57
Speaker 3: little rehab assignment. You don't want to just be throwing
26:00
Speaker 3: in the deep end. We'll see where the Tigers are
26:01
Speaker 3: at competitively. That can make a difference if the games
26:05
Speaker 3: count or if they don't count. But certainly unfortunate news
26:09
Speaker 3: for KRP. With Riley Green, we got a mostly I think,
26:14
Speaker 3: pretty good update. It sounds like he's progressing well, like
26:17
Speaker 3: he's doing full baseball activities quicker than anyone thought, but
26:21
Speaker 3: it's going to be longer than the minimum ten days.
26:24
Speaker 3: He's going to do some sort of rehab assignment. Riley
26:26
Speaker 3: Green said, again, I think that's okay. It's just a reminder,
26:30
Speaker 3: like kind of a tight window here, So you do
26:33
Speaker 3: want to be careful, you do want to be responsible,
26:36
Speaker 3: but one you know, no one has room for setbacks
26:39
Speaker 3: at this point in time. It sounds like Jack Flaherty
26:42
Speaker 3: is continuing to progress well but still has some boxes
26:45
Speaker 3: to check. So you can't afford a set back if
26:47
Speaker 3: you want Jack Flaherty back in your rotation. And that's
26:51
Speaker 3: an interesting one because you know, if he does get back,
26:54
Speaker 3: Jack hasn't been great all year, Cater has probably been better.
26:57
Speaker 3: But we know the value Cater has if you move
27:00
Speaker 3: them to the bullpen. So would that be the Tigers plan?
27:02
Speaker 2: I'm not sure.
27:03
Speaker 3: It probably depends how the schedule plays out. All that
27:05
Speaker 3: good stuff might depend on how our friend River Ryan
27:08
Speaker 3: is doing. As the idea of him making it back
27:11
Speaker 3: by the end of this month again just doesn't seem
27:13
Speaker 3: like it's gonna happen, which not necessarily a bad thing.
27:17
Speaker 3: It's these things all take time, so kind of bad
27:22
Speaker 3: news on Carpenter kind of good news on Riley Green,
27:24
Speaker 3: and I feel like a lot more wait and see
27:26
Speaker 3: with everyone else whence Al Perez maybe nearing being back
27:30
Speaker 3: to a rehab assignment, which would be good.
27:35
Speaker 2: Not a lot of room, Not a lot of room
27:37
Speaker 2: for X.
27:38
Speaker 1: That's kind of the thing right now. Not a lot
27:40
Speaker 1: of room for missed opportunities, not a lot of room
27:42
Speaker 1: for setbacks on injuries. Not a lot of room for
27:46
Speaker 1: for for bad days and bad stretches and slumps. That's
27:49
Speaker 1: that's kind of where we're at right now as you're
27:51
Speaker 1: kind of fighting for your postseason life.
27:54
Speaker 2: So we'll see.
27:55
Speaker 1: Kansas City again presents an opportunity for this team to
27:59
Speaker 1: write the ship so to Pittsburgh. So we'll see what happens.
28:03
Speaker 1: And then it's a it's a tough stretch after that.
28:05
Speaker 1: So you wanna if you believe in momentum, it'd be
28:07
Speaker 1: nice to have some momentum, uh, you know, after being
28:11
Speaker 1: in Kansas City. So we shall see, all right. I
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