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- 0:20From Troy Public Radio, this is In Focus,
- 0:24and I'm Carolyn Hutcheson. The Dark Side of Persuasion
- 0:28is a book that describes our consumer culture and
- 0:32how we get hooked through advertising, social media,
- 0:36and psychology. The author, Dr. Shari Hoppin,
- 0:40associate professor of journalism at Troy University,
- 0:44shares her insights on how we are
- 0:48influenced. Dr. Sherrie Hoppen,
- 0:50welcome back to Troy Public Radio. Thank you, it's a pleasure
- 0:55to be with you. Sherrie, I so admire your book, The Dark
- 0:59Side of Persuasion, about how we
- 1:02are being persuaded to think think, how can we deal with what's been called
- 1:07fake news? Well, one of the things that we can do online,
- 1:11which is where we see quite a bit of fake news, is what's called lateral
- 1:15reading. And that's where you leave
- 1:18that story, open up another tab in your browser,
- 1:22and check with other sites to see if they're verifying
- 1:25the information. And you should make sure that they're not just reposting
- 1:29that same story that you've seen, that there's independent reporting
- 1:33verifying the information. And another thing to keep
- 1:37in mind when you're seeing information that you're questioning is to
- 1:41pause before you share. Fake news is often designed
- 1:45to make us feel very strong emotions.
- 1:48That's actually when we should pause and verify that information
- 1:53before we share it and compound the problem, and then we're
- 1:56part of the problem of spreading fake news. How would you approach
- 2:00opinion pieces? In an opinion piece, in an op-ed,
- 2:04for example, often you'll get a mix of things. You'll get some
- 2:08sort of general claim that the writer is making, but that should
- 2:12be backed up with facts. So if you're saying something
- 2:16about the economy or healthcare,
- 2:20then we should be able to go and check and see what
- 2:24are the financial or economic statistics,
- 2:27what do medical researchers have to say to
- 2:31verify facts that the writer is stating
- 2:35and drawing attention to in that piece. For a lot
- 2:39of the things that we see online, you could just check with other
- 2:43reliable sources. Are there other independent sources that
- 2:48are also making the same claim? So instead of reading more and
- 2:51more down into the story, open another tab and
- 2:55see if other sources verify the information.
- 2:59And we know that social media tends to make our attention
- 3:02spans shorter and shorter, so that would lead to snap judgments.
- 3:07Yes, the people who are posting fake news
- 3:11are hoping for that, are hoping that we'll make snap judgments.
- 3:15While some fake news stories have a political or
- 3:20ideological consideration, a lot of them are posted just
- 3:23out of financial concern. They're posted to draw eyeballs
- 3:28to a certain site. In the book, I mentioned interviews with people
- 3:32who have done this, who are involved in the business of posting fake news,
- 3:36and they talk about this and about how many thousands of dollars they can make
- 3:40a month doing this. They deliberately post things that,
- 3:44again, will provoke a strong emotional response, and they hope
- 3:48that people will just share that and draw more people to their site, draw more
- 3:51people to their post, because they're getting paid just for bringing in eyeballs.
- 3:56You also talk about in the book defending against
- 4:00manipulation by unity or scarcity.
- 4:04What's that about? There are a number of shortcuts that
- 4:08are used to prevent people from thinking critically,
- 4:12thinking analytically about things. And I mentioned cues that
- 4:16trigger an automatic response that have been researched by— and
- 4:20I mentioned a researcher named Cialdini. You know, one of them is social proof,
- 4:24another one is authority, and then the 2 that you have mentioned are scarcity
- 4:27and unity. So when things are scarce, they're usually
- 4:32more valuable. We are automatically triggered when
- 4:36something appears to be scarce to want it more. So when
- 4:40we see things that are available for a limited time,
- 4:44so one-day sales, or when an ad says you must
- 4:48act now, that triggers us to want that
- 4:52thing more. So limited time tactics and also limited number
- 4:56tactics. They've done studies where they've set up supermarkets and had people walk
- 5:00through, and if you have a display of, let's say,
- 5:03soup But if you put up a sign that says limit
- 5:075 per customer, you've introduced this scarcity element
- 5:11where you're limiting the number they can get. People who may only have been planning
- 5:15to buy 1 or 2 cans, now they will buy 5 because
- 5:19they're responding to this restriction, to this limited
- 5:23number tactic. We see that being used in advertising,
- 5:28in marketing. You go online to buy something and you'll
- 5:32see a little note that says, Only 2 left. I really
- 5:36should get this now. Must buy now. So that's the
- 5:40scarcity tactic. One of the practical things that people are being advised to
- 5:44do is put something on a list. Come back to it in
- 5:49a week, 2 weeks, a month. Do you really need that item?
- 5:52Bidding wars— buyers are advised to decide beforehand how
- 5:57much they are willing to pay. Walk away when
- 6:01the price exceeds that amount because you get drawn into the
- 6:04bidding and the back and forth and there's only this one thing,
- 6:07so that you are telling yourself beforehand, okay, when it exceeds
- 6:11this amount, I'm walking away. So what's
- 6:15your advice about responding to the media? To get information
- 6:19from as many different sources as possible. For example,
- 6:23confirmation bias, the tendency to seek information,
- 6:28to interpret and evaluate and remember information in a
- 6:33way that it supports personal beliefs. It feels good to
- 6:36encounter more information that just supports what we already
- 6:41believe. They've done neuroimaging studies where when people
- 6:45encounter a belief that contradicts views
- 6:49that they already hold, it's associated with pain. It feels painful
- 6:53to encounter contradictory information. But this is how
- 6:57we learn, by being exposed to new information,
- 7:01new ideas. Do you have any advice for
- 7:04parents? We're hearing more and more about limiting
- 7:09exposure, especially for very young children.
- 7:13You know, they're watching a lot of screens, and let's say they're seeing a lot
- 7:16of violence, and content analysis does show that the
- 7:20television world and other media sources do show a lot
- 7:24of violence. Perhaps the children are seeing people getting away with
- 7:28it. Well, here's where a parent,
- 7:30guardian, other caregiver can say, but that's
- 7:35not appropriate. Hitting people is wrong. Just being there
- 7:38countering what the child may be seeing can have
- 7:42a balancing effect. We do observe what's called cultivation,
- 7:47where people start to think that the real world
- 7:52is like the world they see on television or in
- 7:56other media. This has been studied particularly with regard to
- 8:00violence, because the television world is a very violent world,
- 8:03and it's been found that there's a correlation
- 8:07between how much people view violence on
- 8:12television and how mean and dangerous they perceive the world
- 8:15to be. This has been offered as an explanation as to why, for example,
- 8:19someone may just interpret someone walking up their driveway or
- 8:22knocking on their door as a danger.
- 8:25We've seen news stories where someone knocked on the wrong door and was
- 8:30shot. One of the explanations that's been offered is if people are consuming
- 8:34a lot of violent media, they come to perceive the world as disproportionately
- 8:39violent and dangerous, even more than real-life
- 8:43statistics would indicate. With regard to children,
- 8:47what we're hearing is limit their screen time,
- 8:51which the research would indicate is sound advice. But then as
- 8:55they are, you know, exposed more and more to media messages,
- 8:59offer information that helps balance what they may be seeing. Well, you may have
- 9:02seen, you know, in this video game, that this person was violent
- 9:07and was rewarded for it. But in real life,
- 9:11we should not act in this way. Shari, your book
- 9:14is a landmark, and I want to thank you for your visit
- 9:18today and sharing your insights with your listeners.
- 9:21Thank you so much. I know that you studied advertising, so it
- 9:25means a lot to hear that you appreciated what I had to write about the
- 9:29dark side of persuasion. I'm glad you wrote the book. Thank you so
- 9:33much. Thank you. Thank you, Carolyn. That was Dr. Shari Hoppin,
- 9:38Associate Professor of Journalism at Troy University.
- 9:42Her book is The Dark Side of Persuasion.
- 9:46Thanks for joining us for In Focus today. I'm Carolyn
- 9:50Hutcheson, and this is listener-supported Troy Public
- 9:54Radio.