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I Choose ... Healing Old Wounds and Celebrating the Family that Fame Built with Gabrielle Carteris · I Choose Me with Jennie Garth

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  Speaker 1: You're listening to I Choose Me with Jenny Girl. Hi, everyone,
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  Speaker 1: welcome to I Choose Me. This podcast is all about
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  Speaker 1: the big, bold, sometimes scary choices we make, and today
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  Speaker 1: I'm hanging out with my dear friend Gabrielle Carteris, who's
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  Speaker 1: made some seriously badass moves in Hollywood and in real life.
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  Speaker 1: You of course know her as Andrea Zuckerman from nine
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  Speaker 1: to two and oho, oh my gosh, just saying that
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  Speaker 1: name gives me all the feels, all the nostalgia. But
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  Speaker 1: trust me, there's so much more to her story than
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  Speaker 1: what you saw on screen. Gabby is honest, bold, and
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  Speaker 1: totally inspiring. Welcome my friend, gab Jen. Can you believe
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  Speaker 1: it's been thirty five years since the very last episode?
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  Speaker 1: Not to make you feel old, but thirty five years.
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  Speaker 2: Since you know what has been for me? I was
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  Speaker 2: then thirty because I came to guest on the show.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, but you were at the finale.
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  Speaker 3: I was at the finale.
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  Speaker 1: So it's been thirty five years. So what have you
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  Speaker 1: been doing for the last thirty five years?
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  Speaker 3: Oh? Nothing much.
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  Speaker 2: It's raising kids, having a whole new life, I mean outside,
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  Speaker 2: and so much. So much has happened that book. In fact,
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  Speaker 2: I could say in thirty five years, it was like
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  Speaker 2: another lifetime. Like I've lived several lifetimes.
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  Speaker 1: Right, that was definitely one of them.
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  Speaker 3: That was definitely one of them.
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  Speaker 1: Oh my god, it felt like it felt like a
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  Speaker 1: lifetime too, in all.
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  Speaker 3: The ways and all the best ways.
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  Speaker 1: Not a problem. So not that long ago, we shared
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  Speaker 1: an uber ride. We did from somewhere to the airport.
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  Speaker 1: It was Chicago, okay. It was a rather long uber ride.
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  Speaker 1: So we really had a nice chat and nice it was.
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  Speaker 3: I think it was a chat.
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  Speaker 2: Actually that was a life changing chat, and so it
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  Speaker 2: was a very it was very emotional. I can't believe
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  Speaker 2: you're bringing that up.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I was going to ask you, is it
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  Speaker 1: okay if we talk about some closings?
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  Speaker 3: Absolutely, okay.
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  Speaker 2: I just wasn't there, right, I didn't know what to expect, so,
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  Speaker 2: you know.
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  Speaker 1: Clearly bad I know, and I didn't tell you anything.
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  Speaker 3: It was a great, great Uber ride.
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  Speaker 1: It was a great Uber ride, and we really did
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  Speaker 1: talk about some personal things, some of you know, some
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  Speaker 1: stuff about the good old days, the days of us
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  Speaker 1: filming our beloved Beverly Hills on a two and oh
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  Speaker 1: for a very long time.
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  Speaker 3: She's like, it's like still on the trauma. It's it's honest,
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  Speaker 3: a good talk.
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  Speaker 1: About I really have these memories coming out, right, It's
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  Speaker 1: like there's a lot of layers to it.
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  Speaker 3: There are a lot of layers.
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  Speaker 1: First of all, gratitude, all gratitude because we love it.
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  Speaker 1: You and I, I mean, I think all of us
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  Speaker 1: at this point just have such an amazing love for
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  Speaker 1: the show and appreciation and gratitude.
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  Speaker 2: I actually, for me, I can't speak for me, but
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  Speaker 2: it's it's shaped my life. It is literally shaped my life.
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  Speaker 2: It was, and I think for all of us, right,
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  Speaker 2: we're all kind of where we are right now. You
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  Speaker 2: cannot attribute some of what the gifts that we have
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  Speaker 2: in our lives, you cannot not attribute to the blessing
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  Speaker 2: of being on that show.
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  Speaker 3: That's right.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, well, first, you were playing sixteen years old
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  Speaker 1: on nine or Who and O, but you were actually
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  Speaker 1: twenty nine, twenty nine and I'm actually one hundred years old. Now,
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  Speaker 1: oh my god. Well that came with a lot of
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  Speaker 1: public commentary, probably unwelcome scrutiny. How did you navigate that
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  Speaker 1: During the filming of the show, that.
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  Speaker 2: Age in the beginning nobody knew.
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  Speaker 1: In the beginning, already knew. I didn't know.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, was I lied?
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  Speaker 1: You lied to me?
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  Speaker 2: I no, I Well to you guys, you never asked
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  Speaker 2: in the beginning, So I just kind of was afraid
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  Speaker 2: why you thought you suspected I was older.
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  Speaker 1: No, I didn't even know. I didn't ask anybody.
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  Speaker 3: No, we wudn't ask anything.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, when I look back now, the things I
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  Speaker 2: would have asked, Like, I'm such a different human being
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  Speaker 2: than I was then, right, But No, when I started
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  Speaker 2: the show, I mean I lied to the networks about
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  Speaker 2: my age in contracts, and you know, we didn't have
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  Speaker 2: the IMDb at the time, and I mean I knew
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  Speaker 2: that the age differential between sixteen and twenty nine is
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  Speaker 2: pretty vast, and that, yeah, you know, they never would
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  Speaker 2: have never would have hired me if they had not my.
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  Speaker 1: Hairge A little liar, I'm a little like, Oh my god,
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  Speaker 1: I kind of like you more now, I know, because
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  Speaker 1: you're not a little devil, a little devil going on?
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  Speaker 1: Was that hard for you, that age difference? And yes,
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  Speaker 1: knowing it just yourself, I'm sure you felt like you
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  Speaker 1: were keeping a big secret us.
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  Speaker 2: So there was that when I turned thirty. I did
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  Speaker 2: have the birthday party.
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  Speaker 3: Did you come to San Francisco?
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  Speaker 2: No, doesn't sound familiar. No, the guys came. I think
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  Speaker 2: you may have came anyway. Yeah, I think that the
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  Speaker 2: hardest thing for me. You know, nine o two to zero,
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  Speaker 2: and we've talked about. I mean, it was a really
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  Speaker 2: great show about you know, in great stories, but also
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  Speaker 2: became a show.
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  Speaker 3: You know.
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  Speaker 2: Aaron was very clear the women what we needed to be.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I remember notes I can talk about later,
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  Speaker 2: but I in our industry, I had been told prior
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  Speaker 2: to even nine o two one, Oh, this business is
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  Speaker 2: about looks. You know, this has been you know, all
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  Speaker 2: those things. So I think that being with you guys,
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  Speaker 2: knowing that you were younger, particularly as the years went on,
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  Speaker 2: it became harder for me. It became harder for me
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  Speaker 2: when I got pregnant with Kelsey, you know, and I
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  Speaker 2: was breastfeeding out my breasts were weak when you know,
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  Speaker 2: I hear another baby cry or you know, when I
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  Speaker 2: needed to be feeding and I couldn't, and you guys
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  Speaker 2: were like still like you know out there kind of
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  Speaker 2: there was a lot I don't I say partying, because
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  Speaker 2: that wasn't you know, some people did that, but it
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  Speaker 2: was just a different thing.
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  Speaker 3: I was different.
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  Speaker 2: I was married, I was I had my baby, and
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  Speaker 2: you guys were like, you know, you were out there
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  Speaker 2: being younger and doing the stuff that you do when
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  Speaker 2: you're younger, and I was like, not there anymore.
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  Speaker 3: So I had there.
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  Speaker 2: There was a lot of juggling for me and a
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  Speaker 2: lot of you know, I still have it. Like you know,
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  Speaker 2: we go to do appearances and stuff, like we go
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  Speaker 2: out in public. I love where I'm at. I have
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  Speaker 2: really worked hard to be who I am in my life,
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  Speaker 2: like to really let myself be, to celebrate my age,
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  Speaker 2: to celebrate my I mean, there's a lot and it
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  Speaker 2: is a conflict for me. It's hard, you know, like
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  Speaker 2: I think that you know, people are looking and there's
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  Speaker 2: a comparison and I'm not that age. I'm not your age,
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  Speaker 2: you know, and I'm not all those things. I am
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  Speaker 2: other things. But I have a very difficult time at
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  Speaker 2: managing it's national.
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  Speaker 1: Just around when you're around the nine to two on
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  Speaker 1: oh cast.
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  Speaker 2: The nine two oh cast is the hardest for me,
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  Speaker 2: particularly for the women, particularly, Like it's not I mean
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  Speaker 2: when I'm with you, I don't feel that emotional like
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I love you.
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  Speaker 1: So I love you too, thank you.
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  Speaker 2: And I and I love I love our cast. It's
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  Speaker 2: not it's the it's the outside looking in. I don't
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  Speaker 2: feel the eyes. Yeah, I don't feel like that with you.
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  Speaker 2: I don't feel like that with Tori. I don't feel
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  Speaker 2: like I'm not here to I'm not here to catch
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  Speaker 2: up or to like I I don't have a I
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  Speaker 2: don't have a desire to be anywhere where but where
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  Speaker 2: I am right. So I'm cool when I'm with you.
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  Speaker 2: I can really with all of you, I can celebrate
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  Speaker 2: who we are. It is the outside eyes and the
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  Speaker 2: you know, people say stuff does all the time. You know,
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  Speaker 2: oh you were this or this or this is how
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  Speaker 2: you are to me and this is and it's beautiful.
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  Speaker 2: I love all of it. But then there is so
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  Speaker 2: much comparing, right like stuff I don't do in life.
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  Speaker 2: I just don't do that, and so it's really uncomfortable
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  Speaker 2: for me. I get shy. You help me to do
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  Speaker 2: the appearances. I told you that because when you said
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  Speaker 2: to me, you know, people just really just love being
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  Speaker 2: with us and you know, like celebrate that kind of
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  Speaker 2: like I really had to come to.
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  Speaker 3: A place where I could breathe through it.
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  Speaker 2: It's hard for me. It's really interesting.
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  Speaker 1: It really is hard people. I often ask myself and
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  Speaker 1: other people have asked me being a woman actor in
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  Speaker 1: the nineties, especially so young as we both were, because
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  Speaker 1: you were in your twenties. That's young. Sometimes I honestly
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  Speaker 1: feel a little bit of embarrassment about telling people what
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  Speaker 1: it was really like. And I also feel the need
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  Speaker 1: to protect everybody's.
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  Speaker 3: I know, we wanted to say see it, you know.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel that inside, like it's kind of my
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  Speaker 1: responsibility just to protect that bubble because it was always
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  Speaker 1: such a sacred bubble.
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  Speaker 2: It's kind of like, yeah, it's like family, and you
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  Speaker 2: can say what you want to say, but you don't
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  Speaker 2: want other people to say.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Do you feel that way sometimes because like what went on?
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  Speaker 1: Do you remember times when you felt uncomfortable kind of
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  Speaker 1: like getting this the sort of attention we would get
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  Speaker 1: on set, all.
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  Speaker 2: Right, So you're asking several questions actually in that right, Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: so just women of that time, right, So I'm older,
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  Speaker 2: So think about even I was still young, because I
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  Speaker 2: was in my twenties, I had gone through more years
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  Speaker 2: of exposure to uh men and women and how they
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  Speaker 2: treated women so in the workplace, in the workplace, and
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  Speaker 2: I have to say, it's not just men. Some of
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  Speaker 2: the most horrific things I heard. And there were things
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  Speaker 2: like there was the woman agent when I came to
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  Speaker 2: La to audition, who the first asient I met when
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  Speaker 2: I wanted to start going this is the year before
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  Speaker 2: I got nine o two one zero, And she looked
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  Speaker 2: at me and she said, this business is about tits
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  Speaker 2: and ass which you have neither of. And I was like, wow,
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  Speaker 2: did you want to see my work? Okay, let's go there,
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  Speaker 2: Like and I literally I had I've had so many
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  Speaker 2: different things from men from looking at me that it
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  Speaker 2: wasn't enough, like you know, this business Gabrielle during when
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  Speaker 2: I started, it was about blondes, like you know, when
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  Speaker 2: I started in the business, it was about blonde and
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  Speaker 2: boob boobs. It was it's just and so that's what
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  Speaker 2: I was being told. I just didn't fit that. I
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  Speaker 2: had an agent who or manager used to say, you know,
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  Speaker 2: you just need to you should be a little thinner,
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  Speaker 2: like thinner, like come on, guys, like nobody's talking about
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  Speaker 2: the work.
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  Speaker 1: Like also, how could you have been thinner? You were
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  Speaker 1: perfect young okay.
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  Speaker 2: But you know, I have to say it was a
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  Speaker 2: very skewed and nobody had conversations about it. It was survival.
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  Speaker 2: It was like, look, you want to be in this business.
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  Speaker 2: The best thing having daughters, right. My daughters are really
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  Speaker 2: I They're strong young women and they do not allow
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  Speaker 2: people to say to them some of the things that
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  Speaker 2: I think only in retrospect I wish because I'm a
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  Speaker 2: pretty strong person. But so many things that I just
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  Speaker 2: never said because I just like sucked it up and.
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  Speaker 1: Like you never stood up for yourself in a certain situations.
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  Speaker 2: I did in certain ways. I did, you know, I was.
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  Speaker 2: I'm so surprised about how outspoken I was.
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  Speaker 3: I am.
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, you go girl, Yeah, but there were things
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  Speaker 2: that I didn't do that I look back on because
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  Speaker 2: I thought I can, I can work through it like
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  Speaker 2: that's and but I think I should have said something anyway.
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  Speaker 2: I did a documentary for Geena Davis. There was a
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  Speaker 2: and I had said and I cried actually when I
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  Speaker 2: had said it, because I said, maybe even though I
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  Speaker 2: was able to take care of myself, if I had
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  Speaker 2: said something, it would have taken care of somebody else, right, Like,
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  Speaker 2: so I to understand that my strength and I did
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  Speaker 2: speak out I have I don't have like you. There's
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  Speaker 2: this thing like I didn't. I'm a very outspoken person,
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  Speaker 2: but there are other ways that I think I could
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  Speaker 2: have and I you know, I am that much more
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  Speaker 2: now even you know, because I really believe.
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  Speaker 1: So you definitely remember times of being discriminated against because
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  Speaker 1: of your ah, your.
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  Speaker 2: Looks Aaron Spelling, don't I remember before we started the
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  Speaker 2: summer episodes, all right, ladies, was in an email or probably.
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  Speaker 1: Was just didn't know.
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  Speaker 3: Wash.
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  Speaker 2: You know we're gonna be wearing bathing suits in the summer,
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  Speaker 2: so you might want to know that. I was like,
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  Speaker 2: what does that mean? I refused to wear a bathing suit.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know if you ever saw I never wore
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  Speaker 2: a bathing suit. You had like all little hot shorts.
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  Speaker 2: I wore shorts, or I wore my I had my
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  Speaker 2: lee a turn in my shorts. I wore my overalls
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  Speaker 2: with my tank top. But I refused to wear because
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  Speaker 2: it infuriated me. I mean, I had a cute little
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  Speaker 2: body at the time, I think, but I would it
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  Speaker 2: enraged me.
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  Speaker 3: That that was the conversation.
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  Speaker 1: Jacked to fight or you just didn't like how I
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  Speaker 1: didn't like that.
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  Speaker 2: I never auditioned. So I did a lot of commercials
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  Speaker 2: before I did. I had a really I was very
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  Speaker 2: fortunate to have a very good commercial life, and commercials,
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  Speaker 2: you know, you can do something. I never would go
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  Speaker 2: an audition with a bathing suit. First of all, I
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  Speaker 2: just don't like. Yeah, I didn't want to objectify mine,
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  Speaker 2: so you need to do that, Yeah, I don't, And
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  Speaker 2: so I never did. They never challenged me, and I
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  Speaker 2: know to went on it. I'm sure it made it
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  Speaker 2: so certain things they chose for me not to do
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  Speaker 2: in the show because I just wouldn't do that. Like,
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  Speaker 2: I just I don't. I don't want to be seen
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  Speaker 2: that way. It's I it's.
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  Speaker 1: That I love that. Yeah, I look back and I
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  Speaker 1: see those the swimsuit scenes and the beach stuff, and
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  Speaker 1: I think, uh, it looks normal for a girl that
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  Speaker 1: character's age, like you know. And I didn't even ever
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  Speaker 1: notice that you were never wearing a bathing suit ever.
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  Speaker 1: I never knew you always had your shorts on. Now
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  Speaker 1: that I'm thinking about it, yeah, I never ever did.
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  Speaker 1: Oh man, I should have done that. I had a play.
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  Speaker 1: It was before I got nine or two and oh
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  Speaker 1: I was. I did Dangerous Leasones and back in New
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  Speaker 1: York and the director when I did the audition, because
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  Speaker 1: it was the role of Cecil, there's a scene you
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  Speaker 1: know where because she was younger. I don't know if
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  Speaker 1: you've ever seen Dangerous Leaves Zones, but it's a great play.
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  Speaker 1: But there's a young girl in it who's it's her
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  Speaker 1: sexual encounters for the first time, and it's with an
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  Speaker 1: older man.
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  Speaker 3: There's a whole thing.
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  Speaker 2: He was on and the director it said to me,
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  Speaker 2: you know, are you comfortable with nudiny I said, well,
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  Speaker 2: where would the nudity because it's not written in there
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  Speaker 2: for this there's a lot of success and stuff and
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  Speaker 2: not that. And he said, well, you know, I might
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  Speaker 2: have that. I said, I will not do it unless
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  Speaker 2: you can tell me that there's a really good reason
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  Speaker 2: for it. I will not do gratuitous sexuality. And I
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  Speaker 2: love sex, I mean I don't. I think it's awesome
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  Speaker 2: and women should just love and embrace it. I love it, right,
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  Speaker 2: but I don't want to do it to serve people's
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  Speaker 2: I don't.
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  Speaker 3: It's not my thing. It's never has been.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I can't relate like it needs to be important
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  Speaker 1: to the storytelling, right, otherwise it's not so did you
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  Speaker 1: get naked on stage?
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  Speaker 3: Nope, good girl.
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  Speaker 2: No, In fact, when he hired me, I said, and
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  Speaker 2: he never did, he was never able to find the
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  Speaker 2: reason to make it happen.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, so I was lucky.
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  Speaker 1: Good You are lucky because at that point you had
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  Speaker 1: more of a voice, more of strength behind your You
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  Speaker 1: know what you wanted. You knew what you wanted. Did
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  Speaker 1: you ever feel like there was something about the environment
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  Speaker 1: that we were submersed in that seemed to pit some
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  Speaker 1: of us against one another.
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  Speaker 3: Yes, we talked about that in the car. Yeah, right.
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  Speaker 2: I for me, that's what made that that car ride
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  Speaker 2: so special, because I felt like we were admitting and
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  Speaker 2: saying out loud to each other what we or at
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  Speaker 2: least for me, only had thought in my mind, right,
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  Speaker 2: and that to hear it like you know, you talked
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  Speaker 2: about the trauma of that time. I think that we
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  Speaker 2: were getting it from not only our reps, but from
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  Speaker 2: the studios, from the producers. This is free, you know,
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  Speaker 2: this is Jenny here. We'll give you this, but don't
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  Speaker 2: tell anybody else. This is because you were so special
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  Speaker 2: or we're going to get this to you but don't
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  Speaker 2: say anything.
• 15:49
  Speaker 3: You know, it was I found it painful.
• 15:53
  Speaker 2: I think that if you're really intuitive also, and really,
• 15:57
  Speaker 2: for me, I'm very hyper aware of how people talk
• 16:01
  Speaker 2: to me, what's going on, what they're double on, tundra,
• 16:03
  Speaker 2: the double sayings, what the meanings are going on.
• 16:08
  Speaker 3: I could hear it.
• 16:08
  Speaker 2: And feel it, and it really is hard. When when
• 16:11
  Speaker 2: we talked about it, it was freeing for me. I
• 16:14
  Speaker 2: was like, oh my god, you felt that as well,
• 16:17
  Speaker 2: and now we're talking about so now you and I
• 16:20
  Speaker 2: are two women together like sharing reality.
• 16:25
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 16:26
  Speaker 2: That was really meaningful to me because I always felt
• 16:29
  Speaker 2: that by not talking about it, there were these little
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: barriers around. Everybody is so protected. You know, this is
• 16:35
  Speaker 2: the money I made, this is what I did, you know,
• 16:38
  Speaker 2: and I'm going to do and this is.
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: It was such a like dog eat dog world like
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: it was.
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: I remember Survival of the Fittest was it was, and
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: it was so that made it lonely.
• 16:49
  Speaker 3: It was already hard because it was very great.
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: So I you know, I always want to preface I'm
• 16:54
  Speaker 2: very grateful, but you know, the show was really big
• 16:58
  Speaker 2: and we were working all the time and we were
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: kind of had to be isolated.
• 17:02
  Speaker 3: From the public because.
• 17:03
  Speaker 2: You know, we were working, but also it's a lot
• 17:05
  Speaker 2: of feedback. All the time people are you know, they're
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: talking to you and touching you, and there there was
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: a lot of social stuff going on. And then if
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: we couldn't talk to each other, I mean our family, right,
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: But you know, we weren't at a place where we
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: realized our camaraderie is really our strength, right, our if
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: we had understood that, I felt it was much more
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: understood in the reboot because we had talked more openly
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: about it. That I think it's so much better, right,
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: because I.
• 17:38
  Speaker 1: Just didn't know then that when one person succeeds, we
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: all succeed.
• 17:42
  Speaker 3: Right, all all boats rise yeah together? I yeah.
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: Do you think it came from like the network or
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: the writer's room.
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: I think came from all of them. And I think
• 17:55
  Speaker 2: that comes from fear, right, what was their fear?
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: I think we all rise up against them? First of all.
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: I think it's also culture, right, the culture of our
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: industry tends to be like that, right. So, friends, when
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: they came out afterwards and said, we won't we all
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: get paid the same where we don't, we won't like
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: they wouldn't renew without that idea of being united. That
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: that was such an I think, amazing moment when they
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: came out publicly we will not play us against each other.
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: And I remember at that point we were finished and
• 18:30
  Speaker 2: I was like, my God, the power in that now
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: we came together. So you know when we sued, remember
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: we had aaron. We did nuts audited, audited. You know
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: how that happened. Do you know the story?
• 18:42
  Speaker 4: No.
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: I went away to do a job. I had done
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: a job of a year before with Luke as an
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: appearance for a special, big product. And they said to
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: me when they had asked me to do it, because
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: the guys always got paid differently than the girls, but
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: always got paid more and then depending on whatever the
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: girls got paid in a certain order to certainly tear.
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: So I worked with Luke that year on this product
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: and we had certain things to do and they said
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: to me, Gabrielle, would you like to do this job?
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: Luke's going to do it?
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: And I said, well, you know, we were working that's
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: NonStop at the time, right, And I said, well, you
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: know what are you looking to pay me?
• 19:23
  Speaker 3: You know, to do that? Right? And because it was
• 19:26
  Speaker 3: a couple.
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: Of things we had to do appearances and we had
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: to go and do a commercial and whatever, and they said,
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: we're going to give you. I won't say the amount
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: because but it was like nothing. I was like, now
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: I know that's not what Luke is taking. I didn't
• 19:38
  Speaker 2: say that, but I was like, there's something wrong here.
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: And I said, you know what, I'm not going to
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: fight it. I actually said, no, that's okay, thank you.
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: I'm not going to do it.
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: That is excoose me moment when you want to talk
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: about and so they said, well, tell her, we'll give
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: her this. They tripled it, and I was like, they
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: did that awfully fast. I remember that. I was like,
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: this is something is wrong.
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: Tell them no.
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: Then they went and doubled soon now it's exponentially bigger,
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: and I was like, wow, now they went to a
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: place that I thought, this is okay.
• 20:08
  Speaker 3: I went to do it. We did the job.
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: The next year, Luke didn't do it, and they said, Gabrielle,
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: would you like to.
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: Do it without Luke?
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: And I said, what are you going to pay me
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: what we paid you last time, which was five or
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: six times more than they did pay me. So I
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: knew they had paid Luke a certain amount and I
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: never got that money that went to Aaron, and so
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: I knew that he should be audited, and I knew
• 20:37
  Speaker 2: if I went to him, I would lose my job.
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: I couldn't do that. So I went to Luke privately
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: and I said, Luke, I want you to know the story.
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: I think that there's money that's being collected on our
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: behalf and we're not seeing that money. This is what happened.
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: And Luke was one who led the audit because he
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: knew they wouldn't take him off the show. And that's
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: where I know I have courage. I'm not stupid, right,
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: I could see the map of stuff. I just have
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: to find the way to get us there, right, And
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: it was that was really so that was a moment
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: that I that I don't know what everybody knows about what,
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: but that was a really big moment.
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: Did you ever feel truly secure in your job than ever?
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: I thought every season and it was gonna be big.
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: I was like, right, yeah, is that normal? I guess
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: that's kind of the life of an actor. Though they
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: can kill you off anytime. I guess, so I'll help you.
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: I just but I never I don't you know, what
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: though that also look at Yeah, I guess you're never
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: you know, it's not like we're in a secure industry, right,
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: And I think because people don't really tell us everything's
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: going on, that it kind of makes us vulnerable, right,
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: kind of it's like the hook and the fish's mouth.
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: You know, you're pulled along, and.
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: They want us to not know things exactly.
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: They want us to be a little bit hesitant. And
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: I don't think.
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: Look, I'm not somebody with knowledge means that I'm going
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: to go and sink the ship. I actually knowledge is
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: freedom as well, right, So I would love to And
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: when I work with people, I try to work much
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: more and you know, camaraderie. Then I'm not anybody I've
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: ever worked for. I always wanted to be a team effort.
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: I think that we're so much better again, it is
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: working together, right, So that whole feeling of divisiveness, and
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: that's hard.
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: It was hard. It's really hard. I know that it
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: was hard on my relationships. Did you feel like it
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: affected some of the relationships with the other cast members?
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: For you, I think you just made me quiet. I
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: don't know.
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: I probably I may have reached out differently if I
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: didn't feel so vulnerable. You know, it was always I
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: was very close. I was very close to Jason. You know,
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: I've always been really close to Jason and I because
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: we share stuff outside of the show, like you know,
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: and we talked a bit more about stuff, and you know,
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: I always will feel grateful. And you know, Marcus Binoza,
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: who played my husband, you know, he's still very dear
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: friend of mine, very dear, dear, dear friend. But did
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: it I guess in some ways it made it so
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: I didn't get drawn closer, right. There was also you know,
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: you talk about the good and the bad, there were
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: some of the stuff. And I don't mean this in
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: a derogatory way, but people were young, so they believe
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: their hype, you know, like, oh, yes, you're the best.
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: You're not believe in my hide, so I'll admit it.
• 23:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I believed it outside of being with us,
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: Like there's certain things where maybe because also you know, yes,
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: I think that there's stuff that's inherent within nine o
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: two one now that it was very successful, so yeah,
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: there's probably you know, there's stuff there. But I think
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: that there's sometimes that people at certain times were a
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: little bit more taken with themselves. Some of the things
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: that I would hear about it, I would be like.
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was hard to just turn off all the
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: things you heard on a set in any given day.
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: Woe, I mean, And it.
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: Was every day, every day, every day, no with al fail.
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: You would hear something or see something that was either
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: inappropriate or was unacceptable to say to someone.
• 24:20
  Speaker 3: Right, oh my god, Oh my god, right, oh my god.
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: And I think about like, we loved our set, but
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: I didn't have anything to compare it to. I didn't
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: know that those that the way people were talking was wrong,
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: inappropriate to be around, you know, around such young kids basically.
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: I mean I was seventeen when I started, and Tory
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: and Brian were sixteen.
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: But it didn't just wasn't toris fifteen? Actually maybe I
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: think she was fifteen, Brian was fifteen. I think they
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: were fifteen. Oh my god, there were two years.
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: Okay, Now, I don't know. We talked about before, and
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: she always tells me that I'm older, so I remember
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: that much.
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: Anyway, I can't remember. I'm so much older. I can't
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: remember that I'm older.
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: Do you think that all that experience on that a
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: two and oh all the things that we've just talked about.
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: Do you think that led you to go into advocacy work.
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: I've been an advocate my entire life, actually even when
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: I was a child. So I think what nine O
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: two one oh did for me is it gave me
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: a voice in the public that allowed me because I
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: believe everybody can be an advocate. I believe, I mean
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: service is, you don't have to be famous to be
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: an ordinary people do extra things and that's what makes
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: them extraordinary. I really, really really really believe that. So
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: I don't think that there's but I do think that
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: there is a benefit if you're in a position of
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: public I right, that you can go and use that.
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: You're using your voice, right, You're using it doing this
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: by reaching out to make it. I mean, Jenny, I'm
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: so proud of you. I say it all the time
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: so I could say it on your show. I am
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: so proud of you. I talk about you all the
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: time because I think you have just bloomed into this.
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: I mean, you're always lovely, that you are an exceptional
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: human being.
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: The things you're doing. I'm so proud of you.
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: I really am, I really really really am. And because
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: I'm such a mush anyway, So you guys whatever, But no,
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: so I think that the you know, the the show
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: gave me a platform. But I've always literally fight state,
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: like when I was little, and I little, when I
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: was younger, and I I wasn't allowed to vote at
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: the time, so then I would do performances to raise money.
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: I was a mine.
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: Second, guys, this is the much thing I forgot about
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: you being a mime.
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: So I was a mime. I traveled you when I
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: did it.
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: Were you a mind for political No? So confused.
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: I literally joined a group. I know, I'm embarrassed because
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: pople want always shoot the mind.
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: But when I was when I was was it was
• 27:03
  Speaker 2: a junior, junior high or in high school, just the beginning,
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: and I just had joined this group of young people
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: who happened to be mimes. And so I literally traveled
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: through Europe. I was in a mine book. And then
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: because I wasn't allowed to vote at the time, and
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: there were some propositions coming up at that time that
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: I really thought, this is just atrocious. They wanted to
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: make it so anybody who went and identified a teacher
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: who was gay, that you could have them removed from school.
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: It was terrible Proposition nine, I think it was called.
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: So I taught a group of friends how to do.
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: We did.
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: We created these performances and we raised money for awareness
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: because I couldn't vote. So I've always been an advocate.
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: I am an advocate.
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: But yeah, I believe that about you.
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: It's true.
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: But I do think that you know, the show again,
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: the show really just helped to give me voice.
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: Is there anything after the fact that negatively impacted you
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: to the point that you how to go do some
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: real work on it.
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: I'm doing that right now.
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: Like therapy, Like I spend a lot of time in therapy.
• 28:07
  Speaker 1: Oh and I just unpacking it all.
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'm going to be going back because after
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: this interview it's right, no, there, you know what, it
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: was a great time. It's not just that, you know, now,
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: I'm at a certain time in my life because I
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: have young daughter, you know, daughters who are young women,
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: and I do think that we are our lives are trauma.
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: Whatever.
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: It's even if I think I'm really healthy, right, there
• 28:34
  Speaker 2: are things I'm sure that I give to my children.
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: And you know, I'm not like a yell or whatever,
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: but whatever that is I want to be the best.
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: I mean, you know, if I have life, then I
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: should continue growing. And I feel like there's I get anxious,
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: you know. I want to deal with that anxiety because
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: I want to sleep better and I want to you know,
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: it's just it's not acceptable. I don't want to carry
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: the things I don't want anymore, and I don't know
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: how to unpack all of it, right, So I need
• 29:02
  Speaker 2: somebody who's going to help so I can develop my
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: tools so I could do the next thing in my life.
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: It's a big deal for me.
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's constant. The word is the evolution, the working
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: for the evolutions.
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: Right, but how lucky are we that we can?
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: Right?
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: So yeah, I say, if you're if you're not growing,
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: you're slowing.
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: That's not growing. You're going.
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: You're going, you're slowing, and then's right, you're going and
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: you're gone.
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: So good. You were pregnant on the sad of night
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: or two and now we just talked about that a
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: little bit. What was the reaction from the suits I
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: like to call them the suits when you told.
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: Them, well, you know the story, so I know the
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: story a little bit. But so I Charlie and I
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: my husband, you know who I adore.
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: Yes, I'm waited almost thirty five years.
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: You've been married almost thirty five years. Okay, okay, my
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: best coming back to that, because that's ad to.
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: Talk about my husband. He's my best.
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: So, but we talked about wanting to have children. I
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: said that, look, I can't just the show is about
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: young people. And I got to talk to Aaron and
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: I asked to have lunch and I'm so look, as
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: much as I talk, I'm very.
• 30:11
  Speaker 3: Shy, very shy. I was petrified, very scared to have this.
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I wasn't was the biggest producer in the world,
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: my god, and he were.
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: Like, you know, so he was your boss, he was
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: my boss, and look at everything he ever did and
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: so and always being afraid to lose the job. I mean,
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: there was a lot of things like sure in that
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: moment to make that decision. So I asked to have
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: lunch with Aaron and I went to his office and
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: I said that, you know, Charlie and I would like
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: to have children. And I wanted to ask you if
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: it would be okay for, you know, if I got pregnant,
• 30:46
  Speaker 2: And he looked at me like, I can't believe you're
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: asking me. I thought you were going to tell me
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: you were pregnant. And I said no, and he said
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: he was like so relieved he couldn't believe. He said absolutely, said,
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: but I don't want to hide it. I don't want
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: to be behind books and I don't want to be
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: behind the chair. I really want to be able to
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: you know, high school, you know, pregnant. And he said, Okay,
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: that was big.
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: Andrea was still in high school when you got pregnant
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: with Jesse's that's right baby. And that was actually Charlie's baby.
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: That was really pregnant.
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: So no, that was a really big thing. And I'll
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: tell you this, it was really interesting. In the press.
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: New York Times did a whole thing.
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: People were like, it's disgusting that Andrea Zuckerman, who's the
• 31:28
  Speaker 2: smart kid in the school, that they would show this
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: in high school.
• 31:31
  Speaker 3: And then I.
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: Wrote back in a column saying, how terrible are you
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: that somehow you think that because somebody's intelligent, that they
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: don't go and things happen in their lives and they
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: get to make choices in their lives. We can make mistakes,
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: and we can make those mistakes. Okay, we can actually
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: decide that we're going to move forward. We can make
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: it something that's not negative. How could you be so
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: demeaning to say, because she's intelligent, she would never let
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: that happen. It was a very like It was a
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: that was an empowering moment too, because I took a
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: stand in a way. It was also a very hard
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: time because the writers had no idea what to do
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: after that moment that became this culminating, really important woman
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: for Andrea. And then afterwards they had no idea how
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: to write her, and they were like, you know, putting
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: me aside and not doing things because they just didn't
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: know how to make it cool and fun anymore.
• 32:21
  Speaker 3: I wasn't cool and fun.
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: You weren't cool and fun and sexy and all the things.
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: That I wasn't happy right I was, and they just
• 32:27
  Speaker 3: couldn't do it.
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: I can still relate because I was pregnant. I think
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: you had left by the time I got pregnant on
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: the and I didn't ask for permission. I said oh
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: oh and told them. And luckily because of you pioneering
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: the way and because you were older women and I
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: at that time I was twenty No, but I mean
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: on the show, you weren't high school anymore. No, I
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: was in college. No, yeah, last year of college, because
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: that had been season seven, which we just finished on
• 32:55
  Speaker 1: OMG listening to watching it back. But yeah, I I
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: didn't have as much fear that I would get fired
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: because there had also been another lawsuit about somebody that
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: had been fired.
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: I didn't know that.
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: Yes, I can't remember who it was, but she was
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: on another one of Aaron's shows, and she fought it
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: and then she won. So I was like, oh, I'm
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: golden like they.
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: Well, also, even seven years on the show.
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you never but I'm sure that even further made
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: you feel isolated and different. Oh that was very hard
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: because I felt that way, and I did you feel
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: that way they had the baby. I absolutely felt like
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: they can't relate to me at all. Now, like my
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: fellow castmates are all doing their thing. I'm in the
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: dressing room.
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: You know, rest and so it was really Yeah that
• 33:49
  Speaker 2: if that was hard for you than for me. You
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: guys were all really so young, and how do I
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: I couldn't even talk about what it was like. You know,
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: I had to feed the baby or I had to
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: It's hard for me. I wanted to be at work,
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: but I didn't want to be away from my baby,
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: like was I being a good mom and you know,
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: I would bring her to set, but then I couldn't
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: see her, shed be in my room with a nanny.
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: It was like it was weird. It was just a
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: very isolating time. It was very hard.
• 34:14
  Speaker 3: I can't I wish I had.
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: Been able to be there for you because too, you know,
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: but even when I was there doing it, and I
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: don't know, but I couldn't even ask for help.
• 34:23
  Speaker 3: I didn't even know how to say.
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: I wish I had had the courage to say, God, Jenny,
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: I'm feeling like so lost right, like I'm so I
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: didn't have that in me.
• 34:32
  Speaker 3: I didn't.
• 34:32
  Speaker 2: That was that was the isolation of not being able
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: to say somebody, I just I don't know what's going on, right.
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: I'm so sad. I'm so sorry that you didn't feel that,
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: you know, that kind of safety with at least me.
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: You know, it was you guys were young. We were
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: just in a different place then totally. Oh man, what
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: if we.
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: Could go back.
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: I don't want to go back then I have to
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: sell you. I am very happy where I'm at so
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: I don't know.
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: Okay, So you know there's always set romances on sets.
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: It's a thing. Did you ever have any set crushes?
• 35:07
  Speaker 3: No?
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: No, no one, not one? See because were you married
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: the whole time I was married? When did you and
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: Charlie get married?
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: Charlie and I were living together when the show started.
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: Already admitted, you know what, I have a really strong
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: thing who did you have a thing with who?
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: I mean, I was young. I've met my second husband,
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: the father of my kids, on a set, right. Yeah.
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: No, I had a very strong rule for yet nine
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: O two one oh, because I had worked before that
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: and i've worked since. I would net First of all,
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: I have no interest in dating an actor.
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: Okay, I've learned that.
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that was really big for me. I tell anyone no,
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: and I love actors. I mean, I'm an actor, but
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: that's and I would I know that. Also, I learned
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: really early that you know, first of all, when you
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: work with somebody right, you're the most vulnerable you can be. Right,
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: So there's always going to be intense attraction in terms
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: of you know what, I mean, your love for each
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: other is right partner in shows like in shows or
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: when even on My love for the guys was very intense.
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: I mean might for everybody because we're so vulnerable. When
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: you're working, you just are even if it's funny and light,
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: you figuring it out together, being there and being you know,
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: making able to act.
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: Ridiculous, right and the whole like one hundred people are
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: just saying exactly exactly.
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: So I always knew this was that being on a
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: set for me would be a false it.
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: Was a false reality. Yeah, it would be.
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: It's a real love that I have, but I think
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: it's confusing love, like if I love them after in
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: terms of I felt something that would I always said
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: that would be a different thing, but it never really
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: happened after that, right when I leave, that moment left, Yeah,
• 37:01
  Speaker 2: so I knew then it wasn't but I'd done it
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: for a while, right.
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: So it it was happening all around us.
• 37:07
  Speaker 3: You know.
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: I was so surprised some of the stories. That's why
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: I'm dying I know who you because I literally was
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: like some of the things I've heard unbelievable. No, I
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: actually said, no way, like are you Oh my god?
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: I can tell you stories even outside of the show.
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: The things I heard, it was like, no way, Wow.
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: Tory dropped it on the other day. Well she didn't.
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: It wasn't even the first time she had dropped it,
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: but she dropped it on og and I was like,
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: it wasn't that she had had a relationship outside of
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: work with Jason. No way, I'm just telling you this now.
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: Oh my god, I so terrible she would tell you
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: because an open book.
• 37:48
  Speaker 3: No, no, no, what does that do to you?
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: Well, how are you feel like?
• 37:54
  Speaker 4: I just can't It's I am black, for sure, you
• 37:58
  Speaker 4: would know more than I. Oh, I never I never
• 38:02
  Speaker 4: asked people what they're I didn't either.
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: No. Wow.
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: I just feel like every time we all get together
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: there's this underlying energy of connection. Yeah that you know,
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: watching feeling and missing some of our castmates that aren't
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: with us now, Shannon Luke, it really puts it in perspective.
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: It's crazy because watching you know how the news treated
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: the deaths of let's say, Luke, how the news and
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: the media will We'll talk about our death after work on.
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: I will always be a part of your story at
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: the very end of your life, and you will always
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: be a part of my story at the very end
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: of my life.
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: Regardless of what the news says, right, right.
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: And it's just the weirdest like feeling to have that
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: sort of strong connection and sometimes you know, maybe I
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: don't even have that connection with some of your distant
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: family members, but when one of us passes away, the
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: other people in our cast are all brought into that story.
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: Well, I think though, that's that speaks to the family
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: part of it, right, because the show is the vehicle
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: that brought us together, but we nonetheless now regardless of
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: the show, we're part of each other's lives.
• 39:18
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: The show is not the defining moment. It was the
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: introduction and so and there was so many years that
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: we worked together. So yes, I think that there were
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: you know, important years. You know you talk about you know,
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: self discovery and also you know the protectionism of it all.
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: You know, the world was a lot going on out there,
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: and we the only people who really knew was between us,
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: like there.
• 39:44
  Speaker 3: Was a whole thing.
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: So I think it's it's I think that we were
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: beyond the show. Our relationships are now beyond that. They
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: bond can share something.
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: It's just.
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: I've done there shows and I don't have that bond.
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: But I guess it was the timing, the day of
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: the you know, the nineties of it all, the way
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: things were so different, Like was the way.
• 40:11
  Speaker 3: We were seeing.
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, to the rest of the world, what what the
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: show meant?
• 40:15
  Speaker 3: Right?
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: You know you guys talk about that. I listened to
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: your you know, your podcast, and you know you talk
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: about what we meant at that time. That was pretty
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: we were that And when you talk about that's so
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: that's profound. And then how we ended up speaking with
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: each other and dealer with each other because of the
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: way people saw us and how did we we learned
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: to kind of function Also as much as there was dysfunction,
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: we learned to function together, like in the dysfunction, right, well,
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: we learned. I mean there was Look, we walked through
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: a room together. We're all separate, but we could. I
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: feel like I feel that the threat. I know that
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: I could touch you, I could touch iron when I'm
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: walking through whatever, Brian, I could be yeah with everybody.
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: I know that that's my anchor. I know this is
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: that's the secret thread that in bilical court that we
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: all share. That's really real, right, But that's again a
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: product of.
• 41:09
  Speaker 3: The vehicle.
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: But I think now that's the family, you know what
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: I mean. I think it's just so.
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: Special that we've all chosen to keep you know, that
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: base together of that family, feeling that thread.
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: I think how lucky.
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: How always when we go and do shows together, I
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: always get like a little bit like wow.
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: This is like really it's so special.
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: It is I because nobody with all the people who
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: are doing the shows whatever, there's us each other to
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: each other, Like I love it.
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: It's the best. It really does make you feel supported
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: somehow in a world that is crazy and hard to
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: really wrap your head around. Yeah, there's something so special
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: about that. You left the show in season five? Why
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: why did you leave?
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: I had a talk show, you know, you know what.
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: They didn't know how to write for me anymore. Yeah,
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: I really was at a time it was now.
• 42:10
  Speaker 3: It was like.
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: Your character had a baby.
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: It's what I knew, right, Like I so, you know,
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: choose me. I'm going to tell you I think that
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: I just love that whole choose me thing. But because
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: I've been thinking about that, you know, the whole time
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: before I come on. But it was I it was
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: kind of my like the money to stay. I mean,
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: it was the success of the show. There was a
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: lot I could do, but not really do creatively. And
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: then I was at that time, i'd been talking to
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: Rupert Murdoch. People have been talking about doing a talk show.
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: I was really like interested in doing something like that.
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: I had for one year when we did two hundred shows.
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: But I I think it was just time for me,
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: you know, at that time, and so I it.
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: You feel like it, and I'd choose me a moment,
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: and at this it was.
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: But it was really painful. So when we went the
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: last day, I remember I couldn't do the last scene.
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: I just cried because it was saying goodbye to everybody.
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: When we had the wrap party, you know, I didn't
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: show up. I didn't come and I because I couldn't.
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: I was dressed. We were going to go and I said,
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: I just can't go. I just couldn't because I knew
• 43:19
  Speaker 2: because I cried, so I cry. Now it's just so
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: hard for me that I just I couldn't. I couldn't
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: manage it. We went to I said, let's just go
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: to dinner, and I just can't go. I don't feel good.
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: I just don't want to go. I was like, I
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: just wasn't, you know, And then you know, Paul was like,
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: why didn't you come?
• 43:34
  Speaker 3: They had a whole thing for me to do. Something
• 43:36
  Speaker 3: I couldn't go.
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: I couldn't see everybody and just weep because that's what
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: I would do because I loved everybody and I loved
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: that time in my life that it was time and
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: it was great.
• 43:46
  Speaker 3: And when do you.
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: Regret it at all?
• 43:48
  Speaker 3: Were there times I think I regreted leaving the group?
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: You know, it was hard. It was a hard decision,
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: I imagine it was. It would have been much easier
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: just to let them not do anything with me.
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: To stick around.
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but I wasn't happy doing that. I felt badly,
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: you know what I mean. I didn't want that, and.
• 44:16
  Speaker 3: So I did.
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: I always will feel like I wish I had because
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: it's hard to go and let go of the thing,
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: you know, for me, right, And I'm a ruder, you know,
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: like I'm the kind of person.
• 44:26
  Speaker 3: I love my home and I love what I know.
• 44:29
  Speaker 2: I mean, I take a lot of chances, but I
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: always come back to what I have that base, and
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: my base was.
• 44:35
  Speaker 3: Gone, you know.
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: And it's been all the years now, I've done so
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: many different things, and now there's times I'm like, I'm
• 44:42
  Speaker 2: so glad I did it then, not because I wanted
• 44:44
  Speaker 2: to go through the struggle of that, you know, but
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: my life has been really it gave me so many opportunities.
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: I mean, I've as a result of my leaving that
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: I want to have known.
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, I do want to just remind everybody
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: that you've been married to your husband since the pilot.
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: That's right, just after the pilot, after the pilot. That
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: is very successful marriage in Hollywood or in anywhere. What
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: is the secret to this beautiful relationship you and Charlie share.
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: Luck No, I Charlie I talk about all the time.
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: I think it's communication. Yeah, love and ras cauche, but communication,
• 45:29
  Speaker 2: it is everything. You have to Charlie knows everything about me.
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: You have to be willing to say the things that
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: you know the other person might not want to know
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: or here like, you have to be brave enough to
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: I think you have to be brave. I don't think
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: I ever assumed that Charlie wouldn't want to hear it,
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: but I think that to be able to say, I
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: had to tell you this is you know, these are stories,
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: these are parts of my life, and for him, this
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: is Charlie like, wow, that's amazing.
• 46:03
  Speaker 3: I love you.
• 46:03
  Speaker 2: That's so great, Like he's so so great.
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: You found this good one.
• 46:09
  Speaker 3: I found a great one.
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: He found a great one.
• 46:12
  Speaker 3: We're lucky, lucky.
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: You went on to become an excellent leader of SAG
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: Aftra as the president of SAG.
• 46:27
  Speaker 3: After first it was sagging.
• 46:29
  Speaker 2: After I helped to merge that, you helped them merge,
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: that all came out of the I was very like,
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: thank you. I really that was an incredible time.
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: The huge accomplishment. That's incredible of all the actors, of.
• 46:43
  Speaker 3: All the actors and all the towns and all the.
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: Was ahead of our thought of that. No, I was like, wait,
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: what can he's the president? No way, of course I'm
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: voting for her.
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: That was, well, you know this because I got in
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: you know, the whole thing when I.
• 47:01
  Speaker 1: Was so you got injured on a set, and that.
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: I got injured on a set when I was shooting
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: in Vancouver, I was partially paralyzed.
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: You were doing your own stunts, right, It was like, well,
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: what was the scene?
• 47:14
  Speaker 3: It was? What happened was.
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: It was a fight scene, but it was somebody who
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: was coming into the house, you know, was supposed to
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: be breaking in and he was just really rebped up.
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: He had there were other things about him that had
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: not been shared with me, and he was this an actor,
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: an actor. The stay stunts already had worked out are
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: the choreography that he got really into it and match
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: too much, and it partially paralyzed me. And I had
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: a movement disorder and I was I stopped speaking for
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: a while. I don't think you did you see me
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: at that time?
• 47:51
  Speaker 3: I was so deformed.
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: I was so and that was hard to be like
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: that when the whole world knew me from nine o
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: two one zero, and suddenly I was like, really deformed
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: and I couldn't.
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: I know, I've seen you when you're tired.
• 48:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah, when I go.
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: But my face was really deformed, and I was. I
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: remember when I came home from Vancouver because I said
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: I have to go home. I have to go see it.
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: You know, they wanted to put me in hospital. I said,
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: you have to get me home.
• 48:18
  Speaker 3: I have to be home.
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  Speaker 2: And I I remember when I said, we have to
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  Speaker 2: go to we're going to go to dinner now, and Mom,
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: are you sure you're going to go out?
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  Speaker 3: You want to? You know? I was really bad shape.
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  Speaker 2: And I said, this is who I am right now,
• 48:31
  Speaker 2: and I have to step out now because I'll never
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: step out if I don't let the world just know
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: that I am. I have to be okay with that.
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: That was a really big thing. But it was during
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: that time that I literally because I had been working
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  Speaker 2: every day of my adult life and suddenly I couldn't
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  Speaker 2: work anymore.
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  Speaker 3: And in the interim.
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  Speaker 2: Of that, somebody had asked me to sit in a
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  Speaker 2: meeting at the union of AFTRA, which because we weren't
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: merged yet, and then I started getting involved, and then
• 48:58
  Speaker 2: I wanted to merge our union because I didn't understand
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: how we can have two unions representing us for the
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: similar work, and yet we had to pay separate dues
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: we had separate and I was like, this is crazy,
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: like and so I helped to I was a part
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: of the team that merged. We had tried six times before,
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: and we were able to go through. We did intensive
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: work and merge the unions, and then I was the
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: executive vice president. And then Ken Howard was Ken He
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: loved you, loved you, loved you. He was your neighbor,
• 49:31
  Speaker 2: and he was president and then he died.
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, while he was intern that's right.
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: And then I became, you know, the interim president, and
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: then became voted in and I did for six years.
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: I was just going to say a couple of the
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: accomplishments that you made happen that year, negotiating strong new contracts,
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: establishing sexual harassment prevention and support programs in response to
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: the me too movement, and securing legal protections for members
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: such as the IMD law in California, and securing favorable
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: agreements with major studios and streaming services. I mean, those
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: are just a few of the accomplishments, but those are all.
• 50:09
  Speaker 3: I didn't do that absolutely, this is.
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  Speaker 1: You had help you had.
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: I wanted to tell you what an incredible staff, but
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  Speaker 2: also our members.
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  Speaker 3: I member.
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  Speaker 2: The only reason I ever have done anything of I
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: think anything that I've really done is because of the
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: people I'm with. And I have to tell you the
• 50:28
  Speaker 2: members are absolutely inspiring.
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: Very passionate, very This is our livelihood. It is I
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: think it's so cool that we have a union. And
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: now cut two, you are the first American president of
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: the Federation of International Actors. How do you feel, you know,
• 50:49
  Speaker 1: what do you ever stop and be like, hey, look
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: at me, I'm doing good.
• 50:55
  Speaker 3: You know what, I don't.
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: I think it's really I actually it's a real honor.
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: I just came back from being.
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  Speaker 1: With you know, you go overseas and you have all
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: these meetings and these decisions are made that affect all
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: the actors in the world.
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: You know what is But it's a federation. So it's
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: kind of like the AFLC. It's American Federation of Labor.
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: It's the umbrella to the unions around the world. And
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: I have to say that that is humbling. That is
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: not I don't all I am. I really and I
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: say this with real being in leadership is being of service.
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: It is not in any way. It's not I'm not
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: doing the things. I'm there to go and inspire, hopefully
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: help support. That's really my only thing is to people
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: are doing that work, right, That is I am not
• 51:43
  Speaker 2: the person. I'm there to support that work. But it's really,
• 51:49
  Speaker 2: I have to say, it is a real incredible honor.
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: It's really and it's humbling, and it's it's I think
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: that people look at it. It's not the president like
• 51:59
  Speaker 2: that right, It's not that right. It's something so much
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: it's just it's so different than all that. I that's
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: why I can't talk about it like that, because it
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: freaks me out when you talk about it like that.
• 52:10
  Speaker 2: But when people think that, right, it's it's something different.
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  Speaker 3: It's something I'm very honored.
• 52:20
  Speaker 2: The idea that they chose, you know, to be the
• 52:23
  Speaker 2: first you know, North American president is that was tremendous
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: for me.
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, you had to have had just a
• 52:31
  Speaker 1: moment to really appreciate that.
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: I think I was just re elected for the next
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: four years. And I literally I was in the room
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: the other day we were in I was uh in
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: the UK, and I like, I was like, my breath
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: is taken away. It's an incredible honor, it really is.
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: And it's daunting. I mean, you know, I know, I
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: don't think you want to be heavy or whatever, but
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: the world is we're going through a lot right now.
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: This is on a global level, not just in our country,
• 52:58
  Speaker 2: and it's kind of like just carrying the stories and
• 53:02
  Speaker 2: being able to hear what people are saying and helping
• 53:05
  Speaker 2: to carry that. It's intense time right now, you know,
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: and I hope it's helpful.
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: How do you choose the right person to speak out
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: to that's probably hard for a lot of people.
• 53:16
  Speaker 3: It's hard.
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: I think it is hard, but I think that there's
• 53:19
  Speaker 2: always look at we have people around us. If we
• 53:23
  Speaker 2: stop for a moment, right and don't just you know,
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: we feel this experience, right, that's so unbelievable that it
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: can shut us down.
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: It's like attacking it.
• 53:33
  Speaker 2: It is right, it's like and you start to close up.
• 53:35
  Speaker 2: And so I just would say to anybody who feels that,
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: you know, it's really hard.
• 53:40
  Speaker 3: I know it's hard. I don't want to pretend it's
• 53:43
  Speaker 3: not hard.
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: And I know that it can be really painful and
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry about that, but I know that you can.
• 53:51
  Speaker 3: You can reach out people. You are not alone.
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: If somebody is doing something to you, they've most likely
• 53:58
  Speaker 2: done it to somebody else. And I mean, I would
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: just urge you that nothing will change unless you say something.
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: You can say something. I think that's really it that
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: you can. You have a right to say it.
• 54:12
  Speaker 3: And if it's a.
• 54:12
  Speaker 2: Family member that you need help, you know to help,
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: you say it out loud. If it's a friend that
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: you need to have help, you take the help. Let
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: nothing changes unless we do that.
• 54:24
  Speaker 3: And I know it's hard. So I'm not throwing it.
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: I don't want anybody to think I just just do
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: it right, but I do want to say to it.
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: Okay, So before I let you go, okay, Gabrielle Cartera's
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: Kenny Garth, what was your last I choose me moment?
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: To be here today?
• 54:41
  Speaker 3: I choose me. I wanted to be with you. It's true.
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: I was very excited, so I didn't think of it
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: that way that at last I choose me moment. I've
• 54:50
  Speaker 2: thought though what I did want to say when I
• 54:52
  Speaker 2: thought about it, because you brought this was something brought
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: up for every great thing in my life. It was
• 54:59
  Speaker 2: because I didn't I choose me moment that the happiest,
• 55:04
  Speaker 2: most fulfilling moments of my life are because I said
• 55:08
  Speaker 2: I choose me even when it was hard. And I
• 55:10
  Speaker 2: can say that from doing nine O two one zero,
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: because I was offered something else, I chose me to
• 55:16
  Speaker 2: do this show.
• 55:17
  Speaker 3: I Charlie.
• 55:18
  Speaker 2: In my life, there were other things going on. Chose me,
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: and I have Charlie, and I chose my children in
• 55:26
  Speaker 2: terms of being able to support and love them. My friends,
• 55:29
  Speaker 2: I choose them over certain things. I've chosen for any
• 55:32
  Speaker 2: choice I've ever made. I think that my life has
• 55:35
  Speaker 2: been made better on the hardest times sometimes, and that
• 55:40
  Speaker 2: might not be what you wanted, but that's all.
• 55:41
  Speaker 1: I have, that's all I need. This is what you're
• 55:44
  Speaker 1: telling me. Everybody, make sure to catch our bonus episode
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: this week because Gab is going to teach us all
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: the great thing or two about standing up for ourselves
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: and choosing ourselves. Thank you Gab for being here. We
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: love you so happy for you.