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#0242_ STORY INSPIRE: Ben Owen & Ryan Dalton — Unpacking the Biggest Theories About Jeffrey Epstein · INSPIRE STORY

• 0:05
  Speaker 1: Ben Owen.
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  Speaker 2: Sean Ryan.
• 0:07
  Speaker 1: Welcome back, man.
• 0:08
  Speaker 2: Thanks for having me, dude.
• 0:09
  Speaker 1: What's 777?
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  Speaker 2: So, 777 is the address of what is going to
• 0:15
  Speaker 2: be our treatment center. 777 South Main Street, Memphis, Tennessee.
• 0:19
  Speaker 1: Oh, shit.
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  Speaker 2: Perfect number, isn't it?
• 0:21
  Speaker 1: It is, man. I just love it. That's awesome.
• 0:23
  Speaker 2: A direct result of our last episode.
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  Speaker 1: Is that the school?
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  Speaker 2: No, so it actually was opened up as a brewery
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  Speaker 2: right after World War II. And then it was a
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  Speaker 2: bunch of recording studios, like some pretty big names that
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  Speaker 2: recorded there. I mean, it's in Memphis. And the couple
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  Speaker 2: that owns it had a son die from a fentanyl overdose.
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  Speaker 2: A dear friend of theirs, who happens to be a
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  Speaker 2: cop in Memphis, saw our episode, came out, started volunteering.
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  Speaker 2: We got to know him really well. He told the
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  Speaker 2: couple about us. We got to know them really well.
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  Speaker 2: And they're like, hey, we got this building that you need.
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  Speaker 1: And so.
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  Speaker 2: Now we have it.
• 1:00
  Speaker 1: Congratulations.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, I haven't heard from you in, what, about
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  Speaker 1: a year? And then all of a sudden I get
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  Speaker 1: a text of you on what looks like a little
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  Speaker 1: John boat that says you got arrested for trespassing on
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  Speaker 1: Epstein Island. That's right. What the fuck? What?
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  Speaker 2: Oh, gracious.
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  Speaker 1: Give me a brief summary and then I'll intro you.
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  Speaker 2: Uh, so a brief summary.
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  Speaker 1: All right.
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  Speaker 2: Well, uh, as brief as I can make it, you
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  Speaker 2: have a lot of really cool people that watch your show. Uh,
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  Speaker 2: and after our episode, a lot of those really cool people,
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  Speaker 2: most of them in law enforcement started reaching out to me. Um,
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  Speaker 2: we can get into the details of what all has
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  Speaker 2: transpired since then, but one of the results of that
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  Speaker 2: episode was that, uh, this dude, Ryan Dalton, former state
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  Speaker 2: department diplomatic security special agent who is behind the website.
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  Speaker 2: Epstein isn't dead.org was made aware of who we are
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  Speaker 2: and what we do. He had this idea to go
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  Speaker 2: down to Epstein Island to get eyeballs on it again,
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  Speaker 2: to raise awareness. Um, and he hit me up. Actually,
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  Speaker 2: he hit me up before he had the idea of
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  Speaker 2: Epstein Island, just wanting to know if we would be
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  Speaker 2: willing to help him, uh, run the open source intelligence
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  Speaker 2: investigations tied to his website. And, you know, for context,
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  Speaker 2: I'm not convinced Epstein's alive. I'm definitely convinced he didn't
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  Speaker 2: leave that jail cell a dead man. I don't know
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  Speaker 2: that he's still alive. I am convinced his network is
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  Speaker 2: very much alive and operating. You know, something that large
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  Speaker 2: doesn't just die because they say he died, you know,
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  Speaker 2: and one person got arrested. Like, that's how this works.
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  Speaker 2: Is it weird.
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  Speaker 1: That one person got arrested? Biggest sex trafficking, most elite
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  Speaker 1: sex trafficking ring in the world.
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  Speaker 2: With two arrests. One incarceration, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Just Lynn Maxwell.
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  Speaker 2: Well, now three.
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  Speaker 1: I got arrested.
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  Speaker 2: Not for sex trafficking.
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  Speaker 1: Hold on, let me correct you.
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  Speaker 2: Just to be clear on that, I got arrested for
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  Speaker 2: trespassing on Pedophile Island, which is weird because nobody's been
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  Speaker 2: arrested for being a pedophile on that island.
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  Speaker 1: Well, you know, they're all being protected by the President
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  Speaker 1: of the United States.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, or somebody.
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  Speaker 1: Or somebody that's controlling him.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, there's definitely some weird stuff going on, man. So, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I told Ryan, look, I'm always down for crazy ideas.
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  Speaker 2: You know this about me. I wanted to go down there.
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  Speaker 2: I wanted to plant a We Fight Monsters flag on
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  Speaker 2: that beach and, you know, kind of symbolically reclaim that
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  Speaker 2: property for good purposes. I was under the impression that
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  Speaker 2: a billionaire, Stephen Decoff, had bought the island and was
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  Speaker 2: going to turn it into a resort beaches can't be
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  Speaker 2: private in the Virgin Islands, so going on that beach
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  Speaker 2: was an allowable thing to do, and I thought we
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  Speaker 2: would go down there, plant our.
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  Speaker 1: Flags, call it a day.
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  Speaker 2: We got a little excited on the way in. We
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  Speaker 2: saw his temple, which everybody's seen Epstein's temple on that island.
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  Speaker 2: We saw that and kind of forgot that you're not
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  Speaker 2: allowed to go beyond the beach.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, man. All right, we'll get into the rest in
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  Speaker 1: a minute. Let me give you an intro just for
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  Speaker 1: anybody that didn't see the first episode. Ben Owen, you
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  Speaker 1: are the CEO of Once American, a Memphis-based AI and
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  Speaker 1: digital forensics company whose Intel Foundry platform supports law enforcement
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  Speaker 1: and federal partners in OSINT targeting and counter-trafficking operations. Alongside
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  Speaker 1: your wife, Jessica, you co-founded We Fight Monsters, a nonprofit
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  Speaker 1: working at the intersection of anti-trafficking efforts, community violence intervention,
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  Speaker 1: reentry support, and survivor housing. Together, you've raised biological, foster,
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  Speaker 1: and adopted children, including your Afghan daughter, Erezo, who we
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  Speaker 1: spoke about in your last interview. You also lead Owen Army,
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  Speaker 1: Flanders Fields, and Black Rifle Co., and have been involved
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  Speaker 1: in disaster response efforts across the country, from the Uvalde
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  Speaker 1: school shooting to the Lahaina fires to Hurricane Helene and beyond.
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  Speaker 1: Most recently, you made headlines after traveling to Little St. James,
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  Speaker 1: a part of the Epstein Isn't Dead campaign, to investigate
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  Speaker 1: the Epstein criminal network. Just for context here, Little St. James...
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  Speaker 1: is Epstein Island.
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  Speaker 2: That is Epstein Island.
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  Speaker 1: During your escape from the island, you say you were hogtied,
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  Speaker 1: unlawfully restrained, kidnapped, and assaulted by Epstein's property manager before
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  Speaker 1: later being charged with misdemeanor trespassing. You are currently out
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  Speaker 1: on bond. Welcome back to the show. How much was
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  Speaker 1: your bond?
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  Speaker 2: 500 bucks.
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  Speaker 1: 500 bucks, that's it? That's it. That's it, which.
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  Speaker 2: It's kind of weird.
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  Speaker 1: If she had called me, I could have posted that one. Oh,
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  Speaker 1: I was prepared.
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  Speaker 2: I took bond money with me.
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  Speaker 1: It would have been an honor.
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  Speaker 2: You got to think about what we do. I've always
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  Speaker 2: got bond money in my backpack. I never expected it
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  Speaker 2: to be for me.
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  Speaker 1: Old habits.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, right. My bond was 10 times the maximum fine
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  Speaker 2: for trespassing. So they were definitely trying to make an
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  Speaker 2: example out of me, I think. Yeah, it's a $ 50
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  Speaker 2: fine for trespassing. Now, they can give you up to
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  Speaker 2: 30 days in prison for it. I did not know that.
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  Speaker 2: But hopefully that didn't happen. I'm out on bond.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, they didn't try to cut you up in
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  Speaker 1: pieces and throw you down the trash chute into the
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  Speaker 1: ocean or do any ritualist satanic blood rituals.
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  Speaker 2: I was waiting.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Like, I didn't expect to get kidnapped. You know, once
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  Speaker 2: I realized we had progressed beyond the beach, I knew
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  Speaker 2: that trespassing, I was trespassing.
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  Speaker 1: I knew I was.
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  Speaker 2: And so I expected that.
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  Speaker 1: Uh, let's, let's back up. Let's go. Yeah. Before we
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  Speaker 1: get into all these different rabbit holes. So you got approached.
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  Speaker 1: Where did you guys, where did you sail from?
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  Speaker 2: Where did you go from Memphis? We met, uh, on St.
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  Speaker 1: Thomas.
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  Speaker 2: Um, we, we got a ferry from St. Thomas over
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  Speaker 2: to St. John and chartered a boat.
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  Speaker 1: Just for context, for anybody that doesn't know where this
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  Speaker 1: island is, it's just a little due East of Puerto Rico. Right. Right. Yep.
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  Speaker 2: It's closer to Venezuela than it is the mainland United States.
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  Speaker 1: Okay. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Down in the Caribbean. I mean, it's paradise. It's like
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  Speaker 2: heaven on earth down there. Just absolutely beautiful. Absolutely beautiful.
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  Speaker 2: So we chartered a boat from St. John and took
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  Speaker 2: that to Little St.
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  Speaker 1: John. What kind of boat?
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  Speaker 3: I don't even know.
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  Speaker 2: Like a fishing boat, you know. Nothing fancy.
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  Speaker 1: How far was the?
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  Speaker 2: 20 minutes.
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  Speaker 1: That's it? Yeah, it's close, dude.
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  Speaker 2: And that's the thing. Like, I did not expect that
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  Speaker 2: island to be as surrounded by people and other islands
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  Speaker 2: as it was. Like, it's not some secretive enclave that
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  Speaker 2: you can't see, you know. There's like helicopter tours.
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  Speaker 1: Going on all the time.
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  Speaker 2: It's right out.
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  Speaker 1: There in the open. Wow. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Did not expect that. So I guess you want me
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  Speaker 2: to walk you through that day?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. How many of you guys were there?
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  Speaker 2: So there were five of us in total. Three of
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  Speaker 2: us went on the island.
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  Speaker 1: What did the other two do? Boat. Took care of
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  Speaker 1: the boat. Okay. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Had to have somebody.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if you like beached it or.
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  Speaker 3: No.
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  Speaker 2: So that was the thing. That was like our plan
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  Speaker 2: was to, you know, beach the boat and. Like, run up,
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  Speaker 2: but there were too many rocks.
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  Speaker 1: I'm a little upset I didn't get an invite. I'm sorry.
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  Speaker 1: I'm a fucking frog, man. I've done this shit a
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  Speaker 1: time or two.
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  Speaker 2: You know, hindsight's 20-20. Next time, it's going to be me.
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  Speaker 2: There might be a next time. Not on that island,
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  Speaker 2: but maybe somewhere else, right?
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  Speaker 1: We'll go find another. Yeah, we'll do it the right way.
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  Speaker 2: It'll be me, you, Scott, man, Travis, Peter. We'll have
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  Speaker 2: the right team together next time. This time, it was
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  Speaker 2: like the Memphis A team, right?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Couldn't get the boat up to the beach because of
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  Speaker 2: the rocks. So we realized we're going to have to swim, uh,
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  Speaker 2: which we knew was a possibility. I'm not a great swimmer.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not going to drown, but I'm also not a
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  Speaker 2: great swimmer. So we had to swim.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: I was like 50, a hundred yards. And our plan
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  Speaker 2: was still to plant the flag. So I'm swimming with
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  Speaker 2: this 20 foot collapsible flagpole and boots. And I'm already
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  Speaker 2: not a great swimmer. So by the time I get
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  Speaker 2: to where I can even stand up, I'm done. Like
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  Speaker 2: it's over with. And, uh, Like I've still got 20
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  Speaker 2: yards from where I was able to stand up to
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  Speaker 2: walk across this rocky reef. to shore and like i'm
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  Speaker 2: just my legs are not working they're rubber at this
• 10:04
  Speaker 2: point um definitely need to do more cardio i hate
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  Speaker 2: cardio but the need was made very apparent if i'm
• 10:11
  Speaker 2: gonna go out there and do hood rat shit i
• 10:13
  Speaker 2: need to be a little bit better shape on the
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  Speaker 2: cardio side. So we finally get to the beach and like,
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  Speaker 2: I can barely stand up. We got a 400 yard
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  Speaker 2: near vertical climb to get to this temple.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: And for people unaware of Epstein's temple, just Google it.
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  Speaker 2: Like it's this little cube up on a cliff. And
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  Speaker 2: while Epstein had it, it was like painted to look
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  Speaker 2: like a Muslim temple. It's like, you know, blue and
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  Speaker 2: there's gold, it's got stripes.
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  Speaker 1: It looks like something.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: It looks like something you would see.
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  Speaker 1: Israel colors. Yes, yes.
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  Speaker 2: That's actually a very good point. And currently, it's all
• 10:54
  Speaker 2: painted gray and boarded up. And I want to be
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  Speaker 2: very explicit about this. We had no intentions of trying
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  Speaker 2: to go inside the temple. We were not there to
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  Speaker 2: enter any dwellings. We just wanted to get pictures with
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  Speaker 2: our flags in front of the temple and stick a
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  Speaker 2: 20-foot flagpole in the ground, which we never ended up
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  Speaker 2: doing because we got caught.
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  Speaker 1: Did you see any activity on the, on the way up? Yeah. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: You could see them running around and we thought they
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  Speaker 2: were golf carts. They were ATVs. Um, so you, you
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  Speaker 2: definitely see people on the Island. And at this point
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  Speaker 2: I'm assuming, you know, it's like crowns keepers, this deck
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  Speaker 2: off billionaire guy is turning it into a resort. So
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  Speaker 2: those must be his employees. Um, later find out that
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  Speaker 2: wasn't the case. Uh, so, uh, we, we made it
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  Speaker 2: to the temple, uh, We got our pictures, you know,
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  Speaker 2: with our flags up there. Sean, I brought you the flag.
• 11:50
  Speaker 1: Get the fuck out of here. I brought you the flag, yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Holy shit. This is the flag you brought to Epstein Island?
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  Speaker 2: This is the flag that went to Epstein Island and
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  Speaker 2: was in front of his temple. And Laura's got the pictures.
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  Speaker 1: Holy shit, dude. Now that's for you.
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  Speaker 2: I accidentally left it in Georgia. Oh, you know what?
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  Speaker 2: I need to get a picture. You hold that. I
• 12:17
  Speaker 2: actually accidentally left it in Georgia. And so my business
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  Speaker 2: partner had to go to my house yesterday and overnight
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  Speaker 2: that to y'all's PO box at the UPS store. Thank
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  Speaker 2: God it made it. That was a panic attack. So
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  Speaker 2: we get up there, you know, we take our pictures
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  Speaker 2: of the flags and like, you can see the ATVs
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  Speaker 2: come in and they're coming deep. There's like four of them.
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  Speaker 2: And like, you can just tell by the way they're driving,
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  Speaker 2: they're pissed. And so I was still unable to breathe
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  Speaker 2: or really stand. So I'm thinking in my head, like, yep,
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  Speaker 2: I'm about to get a misdemeanor charge. How long did
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  Speaker 2: it take you to get up there? 15 minutes, maybe.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe 10.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know. And, you know, the two guys that
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  Speaker 2: were on the island with me, they don't have criminal backgrounds.
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  Speaker 2: They're former feds, you know, and so if anybody's taking
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  Speaker 2: a charge today, it's going to be me. I don't
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  Speaker 2: know how many misdemeanor convictions I have, but adding one
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  Speaker 2: more to the mix isn't the end of the world
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  Speaker 2: for me. So they were able to get back to
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  Speaker 2: the boat. I was definitely not. I ended up collapsing
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  Speaker 2: like on this hillside full of cactuses. Bro, I was
• 13:33
  Speaker 2: pulling cactus thorns out of my leg for two weeks.
• 13:36
  Speaker 2: It was so bad.
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  Speaker 1: So sorry.
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  Speaker 2: I sit down. Uh, I mean, I didn't have any choice.
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  Speaker 2: Like I physically could not continue. Uh, so I sit
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  Speaker 2: down and, and basically I'm, I'm the bait at this point.
• 13:50
  Speaker 2: All of the security guys are coming to me while
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  Speaker 2: the other two guys make.
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  Speaker 1: Their way back to the boat.
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  Speaker 2: And, uh, like they're, they're helping, they're being nice. Uh,
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  Speaker 2: I can tell by the accents that I could hear
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  Speaker 2: them talk to each other. They're Haitian. You know, I
• 14:05
  Speaker 2: heard him speaking Creole. Uh, we worked, uh, some Haitian
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  Speaker 2: refugee stuff a few years back. So I'm, I don't
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  Speaker 2: speak Creole, but I definitely recognize it. And so when
• 14:15
  Speaker 2: I realized they were Haitian, I was like, I can probably,
• 14:18
  Speaker 2: you know, make buddies with them, just tell them some
• 14:19
  Speaker 2: stories about the work we did in the refugee camps
• 14:21
  Speaker 2: and stuff. But I couldn't breathe enough to talk at
• 14:24
  Speaker 2: this point other than asking for water. So I hadn't
• 14:26
  Speaker 2: started that process of trying to make friends out of them.
• 14:29
  Speaker 2: But that's where my head was. So they finally get
• 14:32
  Speaker 2: me up. And after multiple times of falling back into cactuses,
• 14:36
  Speaker 2: trying to get up this hill, I finally make it
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  Speaker 2: to the trail up top. They told me, you know,
• 14:42
  Speaker 2: we'll get you some water. And I'm thinking, okay, you know,
• 14:44
  Speaker 2: here comes my misdemeanor charge. It's everything's fine.
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  Speaker 2: When we get to the pathway, another ATV pulls up
• 16:48
  Speaker 2: and it's this black female driving it and there's water.
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: And I'm like, thank fucking God, dude, because I thought
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: I was about to die.
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: And so I grab a water.
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  Speaker 2: She knocks it out of my hand. I mean, like
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: violently knocks it out of my hand. And then she
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: grabs the rest of the waters in the ATV and
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: throws them down a hill. And I was like, I
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: might have a problem now. It became quickly apparent that
• 17:11
  Speaker 2: she's calling the shots and everything those guys had just
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: told me is bullshit. So I go to sit down
• 17:19
  Speaker 2: in her ATV, which she told me to sit down.
• 17:21
  Speaker 2: And then she tells the Haitian dude behind me to
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: tie me up. I'm like, well, this is odd. That's
• 17:28
  Speaker 2: not normally what happens when you're, you know, trespassing. Do
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: they have guns? No, they didn't have guns, but like
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: I was so gassed. There was no resisting, even if
• 17:39
  Speaker 2: I wanted to, man. And plus there's, you know, six,
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: seven of them and one of me. So even if
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: I had energy to resist or flee, I don't think
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: I'd have done it at this point. I also had
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: no idea what was about to happen, you know, if
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: I had known what was coming, I would have found
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: the energy to somehow resist or run. Um, so the
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: Haitian that tied me up was the one I had
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: started trying to make buddies with. He's sitting behind me
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: and he's, you know, through the little gap in the seat,
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: just puts a rope kind of loosely around my hands. Um,
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: and then, so I'm like thinking, you know, it's sitting
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: the end of the world. It's no big deal, whatever
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: I'm going to, you know, wait on the police to come.
• 18:18
  Speaker 1: No big deal.
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: And so, She drives us down to the dock. And
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: I know now who she is. Her name's Emery Polion.
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: I'll explain more about who she is here in a bit.
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: They drive us down to the dock. Once I'm at
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: the dock, this Hispanic dude comes up and tightens the
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: ropes on my wrist behind me. And then they tie
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: me to a pole on the dock. And then he
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: ties my feet. And I'm like, this is getting weirder
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: and weirder, right? But In my mind, I'm sitting on
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: this dock waiting on the police because the police have
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: to come to the dock to get me, right? And
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: I'm expecting, you know, police to come, give me a
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: misdemeanor citation. I'm trying to figure out, like, well, how
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: am I going to get back to St.
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: John?
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: I don't have a phone. I've got nothing. I have
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: absolutely nothing on me. I've got boots and my We
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: Fight Monsters bathing suit. I didn't even have a shirt.
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: And it was hot.
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: Like, I was roasting.
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: Um, Emery gets a phone call about this time. Um,
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: I've probably been Emory, the black female that was driving
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: the ATV. So I've probably been tied up for about
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: an hour, maybe 30 minutes at this point.
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: Time was elusive. I was definitely, you know, heat exhaustion
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: was setting in. I was dehydrated as hell. I inhaled
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: a bunch of seawater on the way up. And then
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: obviously that huge physical exertion trying to get up there
• 19:46
  Speaker 2: and then get away. She gets phone calls. and she
• 19:50
  Speaker 2: answers on speaker and calls the woman on the other
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: end mom and I'm like that is very strange what
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: is going on and mom tells her to duct tape
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: me and put me in the dungeon and I'm thinking
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: in my head that what an awful choice of words
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: For somebody who works for a billionaire trying to rebrand
• 20:14
  Speaker 2: this island from what it used to be. Why would
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: you call it the dungeon? That is a strange thing
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: to say. And.
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: That's strange.
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: Her mom.
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: Her mom. And I'm thinking in my head like this
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: lady's just trying to scare me.
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: And.
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: You know, they're taking pictures of me the whole time,
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: and I was not about to let them know I
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: was freaked out. So I would smile at them, like,
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: and I'm trying to irritate them a little bit, but
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: also let them know, like, I'm good. You might remember
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: from the last time we talked that this was not
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: the first time I've been kidnapped. And so I'm trying
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: to stay as calm as I possibly can. I actually
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: was pretty damn calm at this point. You know, no
• 20:59
  Speaker 2: big deal. I'm getting a misdemeanor citation.
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: I just got it.
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: Sit through this bullshit while these people harass me until
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: the police get there.
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: Can you see your buddies?
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: No, they were long gone.
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: They were long gone. They had to be. Okay.
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: Because of their backgrounds and the lines of work they're
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: in today, a trespassing charge is going to harm their livelihood,
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: I would suspect. You know my background. You think I
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: care about another misdemeanor?
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: I really do.
• 21:29
  Speaker 3: No.
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: Thank God I'm not a felon, and I knew I
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: wasn't facing any felony here, but a misdemeanor, who cares, man?
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: That's what I'm thinking at the time. I didn't realize
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: in that moment that the Virgin Islands can actually give
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: you 30 days in prison for misdemeanor trespassing.
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: I thought it was a citation. I was wrong.
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: So hindsight being 20-20, I probably should have researched that
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: a little bit more. So she gets off the phone
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: with Mom. And the Haitians and the Hispanic dude go
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: to look for duct tape, which they can't find. But
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: they did find flex cuffs. It's like the third red flag.
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: Why the fuck do you have flex cuffs on Epstein Island?
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: So they put me, you know, the zip tie me.
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: I've got flex cuffs, half inch zip ties and a
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: rope at this point. And they tell me to go
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: to the ATV. Well, this dog's like, I don't know,
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: 50 yards long.
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: And I'm hobbled.
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: And they make me start hopping down this dock to
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: the very last ATV in line to transport me somewhere else.
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: You remember monkey fuckers that you used to have doing PT?
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: No.
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: Let me demonstrate.
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: The monkey fucker.
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: That's basically what I'm doing for 50 yards down this dock.
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: I've got like, I don't know, a foot between me
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: and this row of ATVs of dock to hop on
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: and the ocean on the other side of me. And
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: I'm positive I'm going to fall in. And she starts,
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: Emery starts joking, you know, maybe they should just kick
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: me in since I'm so thirsty. And I'm like, these
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: motherfuckers about to try to make me drown. So I'm
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: still hardly able to breathe, like terribly dehydrated. Like all
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: I can think about is wanting water. And I'm having
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: to do monkey fuckers down this whole ass dock to
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: get to their ATV so they can take me to
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: wherever they're going to take me. To the dungeon, is
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: what they called it. And, again, I'm still thinking they're
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: just trying to scare me. Well, we get to the dungeon,
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: and I quickly realized, like, they weren't trying to scare me.
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: They legit have a dungeon. I think we gave Laura
• 23:39
  Speaker 2: a sky view, a satellite view from Google Earth of
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: this thing. It's like this door in the middle of
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: a hillside. The roof is grass, you know. And inside,
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: it's like this 10 by 20 dungeon. Like there's nothing.
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: It's just a cement room. The optics I'm thinking at
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: this point in time.
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: Right. Yeah.
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: But see, I had no idea at this point who
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: these people were. So none of this is clicking in
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: my head really. Like I know I'm on Epstein Island. Um,
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: I know the history, uh, but I wasn't nearly as
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: freaked out as I should have been.
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: Um, They throw me in this room. It's like 120
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: degrees in there. And they come add duct tape now
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: to my ankles, my knees. Mom calls again and they
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: keep answering this bitch on speakerphone. I'm positive they're trying
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: to like sigh at me and terrify me even more.
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: And she tells them to make sure I'm in the
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: corner of that room so that the breeze from the
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: doorway cannot reach me. And I'm dreading that happening because
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: the breeze felt like the only thing that was keeping
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: me conscious. She tells them to continue denying me water.
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: I hear her say over the phone, if it was
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: up to me, I would just shoot every one of
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: these motherfuckers. The Haitians keep referring to the woman on
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: the other end of the phone as the owner, the owner,
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: the owner. Emery leaves. I'm trying to talk to the Haitians, like,
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: please get me some water. Please give me some water.
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: And they're like, look, if you think this one's bad,
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: just wait till the owner gets here. So repeated references
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: made to the owner. So I'm, I'm still thinking like
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: the owner is Steven Decoff and maybe they're talking about his.
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: Wife or something.
• 25:27
  Speaker 2: Um, I don't know how many hours have passed at
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: this point, but it was a bunch. Um, finally the
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: owner shows up, uh, who I later figured out was
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: mom who was on the phone with Emory every time
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: she comes, like, Emery had come back and given me water.
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: Like I had been trying to work, you know, my
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: magic on human connection with her and the Haitians this
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: whole time. And I think it finally started paying off
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: a little bit because she did come back with ice
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: cold water. And, you know, she poured it in my
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: mouth for me. And it was like a different persona
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: than the Emery that had had me down there, you know,
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: near the beach. Like you could tell she was angry
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: as shit.
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: In the beginning. So....
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: Mom gets there. Now I know who mom is today.
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: I did not at that moment. Her name is Ann Rodriguez.
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: And she is Emery Polly on the mother. Um, she
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: gets there furious just, and I don't understand why she's
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: so mad. Uh, like all I'm, I was just going
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: to take a picture and leave the island. We weren't
• 26:35
  Speaker 2: even trying to interact with people. They were hundreds of
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: yards away, uh, until they saw us and came to us. Like, uh,
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: I know, uh, I was trespassing. I'm aware of that.
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: But the level of vitriol coming from this woman towards
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: me made zero sense to me at the time.
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: Is she the legit owner? I don't know. I don't know.
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: We'll get there.
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: Well, no, let's get there now. I'll tell you who
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: she is. She was Jeffrey Epstein's property manager.
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: In other words. How do you know that? The files.
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: The Epstein files.
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: Oh, shit.
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: If you search her name in there. It returns 23,000 results.
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: 23,000? 23,000 results.
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: You know, a lot of emails with her calling Jeffrey Bossman.
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: Emails of her handling flights and lodging for females. Like,
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: she was managing logistics and maintenance, security. To say that
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: in a different.
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: The whole fucking thing and she's just running around out there. Right.
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: To say it a different way.
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: Not detained... Nothing. Fuck, man.
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: And apparently kidnapping people. So, the Haitians, she blindfolds me.
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: And at this point, I do get, I start getting
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: a little scared. You know, I may have watched an
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: ISIS beheading video or two too many. Because when the
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: blindfold went on, I was like, fuck, I'm about to
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: get executed.
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: You know? And....
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: More time passes. At this point, panic sets in because
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: I'm convinced they're going to kill me. I still don't
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: know what I just told you. I don't know that
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: she's Epstein's property manager. I don't know that Emery Pellion,
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: I don't know any of that at this point. I
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: just know I'm tied up in a room that this
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: lady calls the dungeon. Side note, the woman that ran
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: the island for Jeffrey Epstein called that the dungeon.
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: That's scary. That's scary.
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: So I don't know how much time has passed. Several
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: hours I've been in this dungeon. I hear the door open.
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: I hear a camera start clicking. And now I'm convinced
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: here comes the beheading. You know, they're going to record
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: it in 4K. And hand goes in the back of
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: my head, rips my blindfold off. I'm like, yep, here
• 28:49
  Speaker 2: it comes. They're going to take my blindfold off and
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: just cut off my head, you know. And instead of
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: that happening, I'm looking at a Virgin Islands Police Department
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: detective with an evidence camera and I just got the
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: biggest shit ending grin on my face. I was like,
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: I am so glad to see you. Like knowing I'm
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: probably about to get arrested, but God, I was glad
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: because whatever has been happening is finally over. So I thought,
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: I hear a lot of commotion outside the dungeon. The
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: cop of the evidence camera has stepped out asking somebody,
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: can they come cut me loose? And this dude charges
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: into the dungeon, young black male, and just runs up
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: to me and smacks me on the side of my head,
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: closed fist.
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: I'm lost.
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: The police are here. This dude's hitting, like, what is
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: going on? So I got all these thoughts going through
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: my head. Like, oh my God, are the cops in
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: on it? Like, what is actually going on? right now, instead,
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: the cops grabbed him, dragged him out, all right, I
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: hear Emery screaming outside, it wasn't him, it wasn't him,
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: I thought she's talking about the dude that just hit me,
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: she's actually talking about me, because what I forgot, was
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: that I heard her screaming over the radio earlier that
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: somebody had pushed her down on the beach. Now, I
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: didn't see that because I was detained by the Haitians,
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: and we've actually got the receipts. I don't think anybody
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: pushed her down. But Paul, who was apparently her boyfriend,
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: thought I was the one who pushed her. She's pregnant.
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: I'd have hit me, too. I'd have hit me in
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: front of the cops, even, you know? So when they
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: finally cut me loose, I go out there, I see
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: Paul in handcuffs on the back of one of these ATVs.
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: And I straight up tell the cops, like, if that
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: kid's in handcuffs right now because of what just happened
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: to me, please take him out. Like, I don't want
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: to press charges.
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: I'm good.
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: You know, I'm fine. Everything's cool. Uh, if he thought
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: I pushed his pregnant girlfriend down while trespassing on her island,
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: I'd have, whatever, I'd have beat the hell out of me,
• 30:42
  Speaker 2: you know? So I'm trying to get him out of trouble. Um,
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: And that's when it dawned on me that the cops
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: are a lot more concerned about this than I was.
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: They told me, we're not taking anybody at handcuffs until
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: we figure out who hogtied you. And then the gravity
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: of what is going on starts setting in. There's 15
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: or 20 cops out here. And they're much more interested
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: in why I'm hogtied than they are in the fact
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: I was trespassing. I hear the Haitians and Ann Rodriguez talking.
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: A reference was made to, you know, this is the
• 31:20
  Speaker 2: seventh time this has happened.
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, what the fuck?
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: This is the seventh time? Like, what's actually going on here? So,
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: the cops take us down to their fast boats. They've
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: got two of them there. I'm still not in handcuffs.
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: Paul still is. And they take us all back to
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: saint thomas um they let us get out of the
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: boats uh and one of the detectives that had been
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: asking me all these questions i didn't want to give
• 31:55
  Speaker 2: a statement i just wanted it to be over with
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: you know and i didn't think i was getting arrested
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: uh i was just gonna let bygones be bygones like
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: you know whatever you hog tied me you kidnapped me
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: but i trespassed we'll call it even that kind of
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: thing um i don't stress too much about things Well,
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: one of the detectives comes over and tells me that
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: Ann is insisting on doing a citizen's arrest. I'm like,
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: what does that mean? Like, technically, for a citizen's arrest,
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: she needed to tell me she's placing me under citizen's
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: arrest back on the island. Like, this is, like, way
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: too late at this point. But the cops are kind of,
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: their hands, they feel like their hands are tied. They're
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: going to have to go ahead and charge me. So
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: they take me back to the station. And, you know,
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: I'm expecting that. because the citizen's arrest wasn't done the
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: correct and legal way that they'll probably end up just
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: cutting me loose. When we got back to, uh, the GBI,
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: the general GIB general investigations Bureau on St.
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: Thomas.
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: And I realized like, they're not letting it go. I
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: am going to have to go to jail. I was like, well,
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: in that case, I will give a statement. I'll tell
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: you everything. Um, you know, so they, you know, got
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: a recorded video statement from me and I told them
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: basically everything I just told you. Um, Only probably better
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: because it was much fresher on my mind, right? And
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: after that, they're like, well, do you have anybody you
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: can call who can come post your bond? And I
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: was like, yeah, I was actually, you know, I was
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: prepared for this. I had bond money in the boat.
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: Let me call Ryan. And so I called Ryan. And
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: he comes down there. And when he gets there, I
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: had completely forgotten about this. They want him to give
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: a statement. And he drops the bomb on him.
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: Oh, by the way, I'm a lawyer.
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: And so I was like, oh, yeah, he's a lawyer.
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: So the cops go ahead and let him know because
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: they're assuming he's my lawyer.
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: He's not.
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: I don't even think he's licensed to practice. He's just
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: been to law school and passed the bar or whatever.
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: They tell him that they're going to charge the people
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: on the island with kidnapping. I can't remember if it
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: was false imprisonment or unlawful detention, something along those lines,
• 34:04
  Speaker 2: and assault for what happened to me. Now, those charges
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: haven't dropped yet. I'm assuming they have to go to
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: a grand jury for that to happen. Paul, the kid
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: that hit me, walks past and apologizes to me, and
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: I'm still trying to get him out of trouble. I
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: don't feel like he should have been.
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: Mixed.
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: If I'm being honest, the way he acted, the way
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: the Haitians acted, I think they're all scared of Ann, too.
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: I really do.
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: They booked me into jail. The cops are cool as
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: crap the whole time. I love Virgin Islands Police Department. Like,
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: I didn't have a shirt on. The SVU sergeant gave
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: me her Punisher t-shirt. Like, everybody was being cool as crap.
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: They booked me into jail with my cell phone, like,
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: to book me right back out, you know, post bond.
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: And I ran into Paul in release. We fist bumped. Like,
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: everything seems cool, you know. And we get back to
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: the Airbnb. I recorded a video while it was all
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: fresh in my mind, which Laura's got that. Um, and
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: they tell me I gotta be in court Monday, uh,
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: which was a little stressful because my flight home was Monday.
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: And at this point I wanted nothing more than to
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: just go back home, man. Um, so Monday rolls around and, uh,
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: we go to court, uh, me and Ryan, he's not
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: been arrested. So he's just there with me. Uh, and we're, we're,
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: We go in for my... They do it a little
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: different down there. Like in Memphis, if you get arrested,
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: your first court hearing is your arraignment, right? Down there,
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: they do a probable cause hearing first. So it's my
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: probable cause hearing. And I get to hear the probable
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: cause statement that the police had put together right out
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: loud in court. And that's when I first learned Paul's name,
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: Emery's name, Ann's name.
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: But it's also.
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: where I learned that VIPD responded to that island not
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: for trespassing. Somebody called them and reported a kidnapping, me.
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: So I don't know who did that. We've asked for
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: the 911 calls, but my gut tells me it was
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: one of those Haitians. Dude, I think somebody on that
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: island was scared of what was about to happen because
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: nobody on my boat had a clue I'd been kidnapped
• 36:29
  Speaker 2: at all. They were clueless. They thought I was being
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: detained for trespassing. we decided to stick around in court
• 36:39
  Speaker 2: because we heard Ann Rodriguez's name in my probable cause statement.
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: And we notice Ann Rodriguez has court this morning and
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: she's in custody. That's strange because I know she hasn't
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: been indicted on kidnapping me yet.
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: What's going on?
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: So we sit through that appearance too. And as it
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: turns out, a month prior, or maybe a little more
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: than a month, I think it was like on March 1st,
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: She kidnapped a Spaniard at gunpoint.
• 37:05
  Speaker 3: What?
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: For running a drone on the island.
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: And made him strip butt ass naked and hog tied
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: him too. The Spaniard's brother was able to escape on boat,
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: got the police. The police came back and found the
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: dude hog tied, butt naked in a boat. And so
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: that's what she was in custody for was kidnapping this
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: dude at gunpoint. Now it turned out to be a
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: fake gun, but that doesn't matter. You can't, you know,
• 37:31
  Speaker 2: Use a BB gun to kidnap somebody. So there's obviously
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: a pattern of this. And so now the pieces start
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: kind of coming together. You know, I heard the Haitians
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: say this has happened seven times. Well, now I know
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: of two times. Spaniard and me. What happened to the
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: other five guys? Or were they just, you know, running
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: their mouth? Maybe it didn't happen seven times. Maybe it's
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: only happened twice. But clearly there's a pattern.
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: Of this behavior.
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: You know, hindsight, I don't know that. She intended for
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: me to leave that island. I don't know what the
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: actual plan was. But the fact that the woman who
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: ran that island for Jeffrey Epstein is not only running
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: it today. She lives on it in this gigantic mansion,
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: I assume, because that's the only residence I'm aware of
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: on the island. The guys on the island that work
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: there refer to her as the owner. She's kidnapping people
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: and throwing them in a room she calls the dungeon. Like,
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: what the fuck is going on? And why, with the
• 38:38
  Speaker 2: release of all these files and all the public outcry
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: over Epstein, why am I the only guy that's been
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: arrested for being on that island?
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: You know why.
• 38:48
  Speaker 3: Do I?
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah. It's fucked up, Sean.
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: I more and more feel like we live in an
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: occupied country. What just happened with Massey is kind of
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: a scary example of that.
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: I mean.
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: Joe Kent's resignation.
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: AIPAC's literally bragging about buying that election.
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: 100%.
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: We're an occupied country. Yeah. There's no other way to
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: look at it.
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: There's no other way to look at it. And that
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: begs the question, like.
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: Our president is saying he has a 99% approval rating
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: in Israel. What's he gone like? it's down to like
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: 30% or something. I mean, I got to check, but
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: we check it on the break.
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: It scares the hell out of me. You know, it
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: scares the hell out of me. Oh, then they sued me.
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: What scares you about it?
• 39:44
  Speaker 2: What scares me about it? I have nine kids that
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: have to grow up in this nation. I have helped,
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: I don't even know how many people at this point
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: escape a life of addiction so that they're able to
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: become functional members.
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: Of society again.
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: And what is the society that they're coming back into?
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: It scares me. I'm a grandparent.
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: It scares me too.
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: I love the America I grew up believing in, and
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: I don't recognize it anymore.
• 40:20
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• 40:22
  Speaker 1: it is for the military to modernize faster, because there's
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: no shortage of good technology being built in the private
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: sector right now. The problem is getting that technology into
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: the hands of the people who actually need it. And
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: from everything I've heard, working with the Department of War
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: can be incredibly difficult. Most companies have no idea who
• 40:41
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• 40:44
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• 40:49
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• 40:53
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• 41:11
  Speaker 1: And what I like? Is there a veteran team focused
• 41:14
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• 41:18
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• 41:21
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• 41:30
  Speaker 1: you'll get your first month free. Do you think the
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: America that you grew up believing in was the real thing?
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: At this point, I don't even know. And it honestly
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: hurts me to say that. It hurts to think about it,
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: you know? I have believed in American exceptionalism my entire life.
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: And more and more, I've started realizing that I don't
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: think either political party believes in that. I think they view...
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: I think they view.
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: I think they view America as a means to an end,
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: personal gain, both of them. You know, if you watch
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: me ever on social media, I loathe politics. I believe
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: in maximum rights for maximum people all the time, which
• 42:28
  Speaker 2: I believe would just make me a libertarian. But like
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: I'm out there, you know, trying to save lives in
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: some of the most impoverished communities in America. I'm trying
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: to move the needle for marginalized communities. I've fought genocide overseas.
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: You know, we've done all these things and suffering and
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: what I'm seeing is that our own government seems to
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: be fomenting suffering right here at home. And abroad, obviously.
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: But I'm just lost, man.
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: I'm lost.
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: And the more I do these weird things that I
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: keep getting myself pulled into, the more I start seeing
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: that something's fucked up. There's something that's not making sense.
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: There's a boogeyman out there somewhere, and I can't figure
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: out who it is or where it is.
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: I know the feeling.
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: You know, the first time I came on here, I
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: thought the State Department was the boogeyman because they were
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: in our way on everything in Afghanistan. And then I
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: started thinking maybe the FBI is the boogeyman because this
• 43:26
  Speaker 2: and that, and they're getting in the way on everything
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: we're trying to do, combating human trafficking.
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: And now you realize they're all just extensions. 100%.
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: Well, I just went to Epstein Island trying to bring
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: light to that with a dude from the State Department
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: and a couple people from the FBI. Like, they're not
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: the boogeyman either. Something is... There's something pulling the strings,
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: and I think we both know what it is.
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: It's Israel.
• 43:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: It's Israel.
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: I don't even fucking care anymore, dude. Yeah. I don't
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: believe in right.
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: You've got security.
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: I don't.
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: I don't give a fuck.
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: Right? I know, but I mean, if somebody wants you dead. Yeah.
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: You know what? You're exactly. It doesn't matter how much
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: security you've got. It's Israel.
• 44:04
  Speaker 3: It's Israel.
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: Our nation has been sold. We are an occupied nation.
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: And I honestly feel like Epstein is tied into that
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: in a million different ways. And, you know. I don't
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: know what I've stepped in.
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: I don't.
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: I'm a little bit scared. I don't regret it. I've
• 44:28
  Speaker 2: gone up against our government before in the Afghan evac.
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: You know, I've been in front of Congress and, like,
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: told them, you guys fucked up. You got a crackhead
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: responsible for safe housing, America's first interpreter in a global
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: war on terror. If that doesn't show you that you
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: fucked up and screwed up your job, I don't know
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: what does. I've got no problem going up against our
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: own government, but I don't know what I'm going up
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: against this time. I really don't. I don't know if
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: there's a billionaire on the other side of this. They've
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: sued me now.
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: Sued you?
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they sued me civilly. The entity that owns the island,
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: LSJVI LLC. And if that is actually owned by a billionaire,
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: that's a terrifying thing that I'm being sued by a billionaire.
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: The way the lawsuit reads, though, makes me wonder. Is
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: there actually a billionaire involved in this at all? Or
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: is this all Ian Rodriguez? They accused me, 30 seconds
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: of Googling me or just asking their favorite AI could
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: have prevented the absurdity that is their affidavit against me.
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: They called me a very violent man. There's not one
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: shred of evidence to back that up. In fact, I've
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: got a global track record, a very public global track
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: record of combating violence and genocide and human rights abuses.
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: They said that my lengthy drug use, which, I mean,
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: that's accurate. I've been very open about that. It means
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: that I'm basically insane and subject to conspiracy theories. Bro,
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: I am not into conspiracy theories. Not even a little bit.
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: The lawsuit they filed against me was basically slanderous, inflammatory,
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: you know. But it still scares me.
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: Like, it is.
• 46:11
  Speaker 2: Is there a billionaire behind this? Is Israel behind this?
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: What am I actually getting myself into at this point?
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: And I'm not afraid of taking on big issues. You know,
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: your team saw that in Memphis. I will step in
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: the middle of the biggest pile of shit on earth
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: if I think I can make a difference. And so far,
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: I've not found anything where I can't make a difference.
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: And I think that's something intrinsic to all of us.
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: We can all make differences in really big things. But
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: whatever I'm in the middle of now, Am I actually
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: going to be able to make a difference? And what
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: is the risk level I have just exposed myself to
• 46:47
  Speaker 2: trying to do that? I saw an article today before
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: we came here. I think it was the New York Post.
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: A lady somewhere in the Southwest, a journalist, ran a
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: piece about Epstein's CIA ties. She just announced that she's
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: leaving the country because she's been subject to DEW attacks. Now,
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: is she crazy or is that real? I mean, it
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: seemed like an incredible outlet on the story, but I mean,
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: that terrifies the shit out of me. She's talking about
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: Epstein and this has happened. And there's this other lady
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: on Tik TOK who covered my arrest, who said she's
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: been having people like show up at her house at
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: weird hours, kicking the door. And I've not had anything
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: weird like that happen yet, but is it common? What
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: have I opened my kids up to at this point
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: by doing? And all I was trying to do was
• 47:32
  Speaker 2: shed light on that damn Island. And we have uncovered
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: a hell of a lot more than we ever intended
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: to ever.
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: You can't get to the bottom of the entity that
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: owns it?
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: So I have not been able to. It is a
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: Delaware LLC. Public articles, you know, say that Stephen Decoff
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: bought both islands, Greater St. James and Little St. James
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: in one transaction. Pulling the property tax records, and we've
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: done all this since my arrest, pulling property tax records,
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: you can see that Black Diamond LLC, which is definitely Decoff,
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: that's known is paying the property taxes on great St.
• 48:14
  Speaker 3: James.
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: There's this other entity that is paying the property to LSJVI,
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: little St. James, Virgin islands, LLC that is paying the
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: taxes and little St.
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: James. Why?
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: If you own both of them, why not have your
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: entity paid the taxes on both of them? Why not
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: have your entity on both of them? Why have this
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: mysterious shell company on this other one? When you publicly
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: said you bought it, um, I'm not saying that that
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: in and of itself is anything nefarious. There could be
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: a million financial. Maybe that's why he's a billionaire and
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: I'm not. You know, he knows what to do with money.
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: But it begs the question, like, what is actually going on?
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: What is actually going on here? Because I don't see
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: that island getting turned into a resort. And look, I'll
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: tell you this. If I'm a billionaire and I buy
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: the world's most notorious island for pedophiles and I want
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: to rebrand it and change the public perception of it,
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: the very first thing I'm gonna do is fire every
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: motherfucker that worked for the last guy who was trafficking
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: kids to that island. I'm not keeping his property manager.
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: And if she kidnapped a guy, March 1st, I'm not
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: leaving her on the island until April 25th to do
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: it again. These are all giant red flags that to
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: me makes it seem like there's not actually a billionaire
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: in the picture. You don't get to become a billionaire
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: by being, you know, reckless. those seem like some pretty
• 49:39
  Speaker 2: reckless like really disastrous pr moves right there if if
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: they're true wow.
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: What are you thinking.
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: I mean honestly and i hate to say this because
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: of how how hard i have fought to change uh
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: the things that bother me i i think our nation's
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: i The Massey election, you know, shocked me.
• 50:13
  Speaker 1: Shocked me.
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: Did not expect that. We've got good people in Congress.
• 50:18
  Speaker 2: You know, Roe Connick, you've sat down, Roe. We've got
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: Nancy Mace, Massey. There are good people trying. Not Massey anymore.
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: I don't know, man. I don't know.
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: You don't think any of them are good?
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: See, I think.
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: Here's the difference between me and you.
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: Every time I think somebody's good. Right.
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: And that is my perpetual problem.
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: Just the other day, saw something else. It's just, I
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: don't even like bringing anybody on anymore. I get it.
• 50:55
  Speaker 1: I mean, that's, you know, yes, do I think there
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: are people good in there? Probably.
• 51:02
  Speaker 2: You know what?
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: Let's actually. I like.
• 51:07
  Speaker 3: Roe.
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: I like Massey. I like, I just, I don't know, man.
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: I mean, because every time I vouch for somebody, I
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: interview somebody. I don't really vouch for anybody.
• 51:24
  Speaker 2: I was about to say, interviewing is not the same
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: as vouching for somebody.
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't really vouch for anybody, but every time I,
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: not every time.
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: Believe in. Every time you believe in.
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, every time I get, I believe in, whatever. I
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: just always wind up, it was just all fucking lies.
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: was all bullshit yep they're all beating the same fucking
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: drum and that's it right there and like you just
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: rattled one of those people off i just saw one
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: of those people that you rattled off do a tweet
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: we're not sending our money anymore to somalia we're not
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: gonna send it to russia we're not gonna send it
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: to china we are we're not gonna send it yeah
• 52:02
  Speaker 1: and damn it and and i looked under there do
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: you know nick fuentes oh yeah nick fuentes leaves a
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: comment under there he goes uh I think you may
• 52:10
  Speaker 1: have forgot one. Like, oh yeah. It was real? Yeah, like, oh,
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: it was Nancy. It's like, oh, okay. You forgot the
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: one fucking country that everybody, all of your fucking constituents
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: are bitching about, but you want to look like a
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: fucking courageous hard ass, right? You know what I mean?
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: And then it's theatrics.
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: I spent the bulk of my life an idealist and
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: I still am. And I trust everybody. My default is just,
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: I just love everybody. I love people, you know, and
• 52:43
  Speaker 2: that gets me burned in my line of work all
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: the fucking time, you know, but having to face the
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: realization that I've been an idealist and just blindly trusting
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: my own government for my entire life, that one, that
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: one made me sit down for a minute. I'll give
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: you an example of just how brainwashed, it's not even brainwashed.
• 53:04
  Speaker 2: I just accepted what got put in front of me
• 53:05
  Speaker 2: for so long. I was all for Israel. And then,
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: you know, we did the Afghan evacs. We did some
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: conflict evac in Ukraine and some other places. So after
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: October 7th, we did some evacs in Israel and we
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: tried to do them in Gaza, which we did a
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: lot of humanitarian aid and all these other places I
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: just named too. And so we tried to do that
• 53:29
  Speaker 2: in Gaza because there's kids starving. And in that process,
• 53:33
  Speaker 2: I think me and a lot of the same people
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: that worked the Afghan evac, we were trying to do
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: this one. And we were all believing Israel's good guys
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: and how horrible this attack that just happened, which it
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: was horrible. We're a week, two weeks maybe into this.
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: And that meme of the dude saying, are we the baddies?
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: Starts going around all these signal chats because we're all
• 53:54
  Speaker 2: it's donning on every one of us in real time.
• 53:56
  Speaker 2: Israel is not who we thought they were. Israel is
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: not who we thought they were. We're seeing in real
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: time evacuation corridors to prevent death and suffering get shut down.
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: We're seeing aid centers get hit. You've seen it in
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: Lebanon right now. We were seeing it in Syria. Hell,
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: Israel put the al-Qaeda leader in power in Syria. Like,
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: what is it?
• 54:17
  Speaker 1: And then we invited him. Yes. To the fucking White House.
• 54:20
  Speaker 3: Yes.
• 54:21
  Speaker 2: And fucking who was it that took a selfie with him?
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: I don't know. Probably Trump.
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: Well, I'm sure.
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 54:30
  Speaker 2: You know what? I'm going to catch a lot of
• 54:32
  Speaker 2: flack for saying this, and I don't mean it the
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: way it sounds, but actually I do. Everything is fake
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: and gay.
• 54:39
  Speaker 1: All of it.
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: Everything that is getting pushed down our throats from almost
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: every legacy media outlet, everything. What you just told me
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: about Mace is a great example. I didn't see that.
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: It's a fucking joke, dude.
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: It's all fake and gay.
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: Well, you know what? Are you a Christian? Absolutely. Okay.
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: That's what I think is happening. I think this is
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: the same fucking government that, you know what I mean?
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: The same fucking government that happened when 9-11 happened, when
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: we were growing up and all this shit. And now
• 55:10
  Speaker 1: there's a veil being lifted. All these, I mean, nobody's, look,
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: how much shit has the Clintons and the Trumps talked
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: about each other? How much shit have we heard from
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: Donald Trump saying, I'm going to fucking drain the D.C. swamp? Oh, yeah. Bro.
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: The D.C. swamp just got handed to you on a
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: silver platter. They're a bunch of pedophiles. It's in the
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: Pizzagate shit. It's in the Epstein. It's in everything. There
• 55:39
  Speaker 1: you go. There you go. Now you can drain the swamp.
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: Is he going to drain it?
• 55:42
  Speaker 2: Nothing's happening.
• 55:43
  Speaker 1: Fuck no, he's not going to drain it. Because he
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: is the fucking swamp. He's in there with all the
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: rest of them. They're all buddies. And this veil's getting lifted. And,
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: you know, we've, I mean, What does Christianity say? Don't
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: idolize anyone. Don't idolize anyone. Yeah, period. Well, we've idolized
• 56:04
  Speaker 1: George Bush. We've idolized Obama. We've idolized Biden. We've idolized Trump.
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: We've idolized all these fucking people. Yeah. You know what
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: I mean? And now this veil's being lifted. These are
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: the people that you've idolized.
• 56:20
  Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.
• 56:21
  Speaker 1: This is what they've done. You're right. This is how
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: they live. They live by a different set of rules.
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: That's what's happening. It's all being unveiled. And we're seeing
• 56:34
  Speaker 1: this is why you don't idolize fucking human beings. Bingo.
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: Bingo. And you're seeing it happen not just with politicians.
• 56:44
  Speaker 2: It's the athletes. Watching grown men almost fetishize a politician
• 56:51
  Speaker 2: is– most bizarre thing in the world to me it's
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: even weirder than idolizing athletes and more and more I
• 56:59
  Speaker 2: am seeing that veil being lifted I think it's why
• 57:01
  Speaker 2: a lot of my content is going viral lately you
• 57:05
  Speaker 2: know everybody is starting to realize that there is a
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: war going on and it is us versus them but
• 57:13
  Speaker 2: it's not the us versus them everybody thought it was
• 57:15
  Speaker 2: you know this is our nation is rotting from the
• 57:19
  Speaker 2: top down and.
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: I think Xi just said we're a fucking declining nation.
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: Trump agreed with him. Right. Because we aren't. We are.
• 57:28
  Speaker 2: We absolutely are. And I think it's going to continue
• 57:31
  Speaker 2: declining as long as we look at this as though
• 57:35
  Speaker 2: one side or the other is going to fix it.
• 57:37
  Speaker 2: I'm watching perfectly rational human beings trash brilliant solutions because
• 57:43
  Speaker 2: it came from the wrong team. That's fucking retarded.
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: I really do think it's on purpose. It's got to be.
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: I think the abortion stuff, I think the race stuff,
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: I think Second Amendment stuff, this is shit that we're
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: going to battle back and forth until the end of time.
• 58:01
  Speaker 2: It is because we're being pushed.
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: It keeps us in the loop.
• 58:08
  Speaker 2: We're being pushed. Everything has to be just two choices,
• 58:11
  Speaker 2: black and white. Either you're pro-abortion and you want to
• 58:16
  Speaker 2: murder babies. Or you're anti-abortion and you want, you know,
• 58:21
  Speaker 2: women to die in childbirth. Those aren't the only two
• 58:23
  Speaker 2: fucking options. We can accept that abortion is tragic and
• 58:26
  Speaker 2: should be limited but is sometimes necessary.
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: That's not the point. Like, these people don't... Dude, we
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: have Lindsey Graham in there who has no fucking kids.
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: Why does that guy give a shit what happens to
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: the country when he's fucking dead? He has no kids.
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: He has no fucking future. There's no lineage to look
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: out for. Yeah. How the fuck did that guy get elected?
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: South Carolina?
• 58:52
  Speaker 2: That's a great question.
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: I mean, whatever. He's one of however many of the same. Yeah.
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: You know? I think we're leading up to a holy war.
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: It's not going to be fucking nations. Yeah. I mean,
• 59:08
  Speaker 1: I want to be solution-based. I think there's a way
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: out of this, but everybody's got to be on the
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: same page.
• 59:13
  Speaker 2: Well, and you just hit the nail on the head.
• 59:15
  Speaker 2: That is the way out of this, is we have
• 59:16
  Speaker 2: to all come together as Americans and realize, like.
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: Well, I will say that Israel is the one thing
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: since 9-11 that I've seen everybody rallying around. Mm-hmm. Get
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: off our fucking tit. Yep. We're tired of paying for
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: your fucking education. We're tired of paying for your universal
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: health care. We're tired of paying for your fucking Iron Dome.
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: We're tired of paying for your fucking missile defense. We
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: get shit. We are a fucking cow pasture for Israel.
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: We're tired of fighting your fucking wars. We're tired of
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: dying for your fucking causes. And everybody sees that the
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: United States of America is nothing but a fucking cow
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: pasture full of cattle to fucking send tax money And
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 1: fight their fucking wars. Everybody fucking knows.
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 2: And apparently protect their pedophiles.
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: Everybody knows. Except, I don't know, a portion of the
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: baby boomer generation.
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 2: Hey, you know what? I'm actually glad you brought that up.
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 2: I'm on a group text with a bunch of evangelicals,
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 2: baby boomer men. And this topic actually, I don't know
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 2: how I ended up there. This topic actually came up
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 2: the other day. And I speak my mind. You know me.
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 2: And so I dropped a couple examples of things I
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 2: personally witnessed while we were working the Gaza situation. And
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 2: they actually went and did their fucking research and came
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 2: back and like, holy shit.
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: You're right.
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 2: Israel is not what I thought it was. That blew
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 2: my mind to have, you know, 65 year old dudes
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 2: that are part of the baby boomers that have been
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 2: all pro-Israel for the whole lives now realizing I've been
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 2: lied to. I've been lied to. And I think if
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 2: we could get more Americans to wake up to that
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 2: fact and recognize that we've been lied to, that we've
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 2: been presented false, you know, two-choice narratives where there could
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 2: be a third option. Actually, the reason we're sitting here
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 2: is a great example of that. We were told Epstein
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 2: killed himself. And then this huge fight breaks out that, no,
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 2: Epstein didn't kill himself. You know, we never got to
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 2: consider that third option. Maybe the motherfucker left that jail
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 2: cell alive. And I think that's probably how Israel, the
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 2: mainstream media, our federal government, that's how they have been
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 2: keeping us so divided is that we're given two choices
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 2: to argue about. Meanwhile, there's a third option that's reality
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 2: out there. You know, just like the example I just
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 2: gave with abortion. We're faced with this. It's just one
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 2: way or the other. And we don't even get to
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 2: consider the third way. It's Second Amendment. One way or
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 2: the other, don't consider the third way. And so many
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 2: things tend to exist in that gray area.
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: They have to have those to keep us polarized, to
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 1: keep us fighting.
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 2: The bullshit that I've seen play out online between blacks
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 2: and whites blows my fucking mind.
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: I haven't seen anything about that in a long time. Right, right.
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: That's dead.
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 2: That's a dead argument now. But it's a great example
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 2: of the bullshit because you guys got to see it
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 2: when you came to Memphis. It's not real. You go
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 2: to the worst streets in America, nobody gives a fuck.
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 2: That is one of those problems that really only exists
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 2: in people's heads and online.
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 1: It's manufactured.
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 2: It's manufactured. Manufactured hate and division. And that same playbook
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 2: keeps getting used for every major societal issue.
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: It keeps people on the loop, but the loop is dying.
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 2: I think it is too.
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 1: The loop's going to die with the baby boomer generation.
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 1: I mean, 85%, I read this, 85% of Gen Z
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 1: is tired of the bullshit with Israel. 85%. 85%. I
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 1: think Gen X, that's probably, how old are you? Are
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: you a Gen Xer? 4,400. Yeah, you're like me. We
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 1: don't know if we're Gen X or millennial. But 55%
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: of Gen X tired of the bullshit with Israel. I
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 1: can't remember of millennials. I think it's 65%, 70% or something.
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 2: It's getting over and more.
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 1: It's over. It needs to be. It's going to die
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 1: with the baby boomer generation.
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 3: The.
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 1: They're the last supporters of this shit. Now, whether anything
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: changes or not, who the fuck knows? You know what
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 1: I mean? But an entire new party has to be elected.
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: It has to be elected all at once. I talked
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: about this with Cenk Uygur.
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 2: How do we make that?
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 1: And that's why, like, I really do. I like Roe.
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 1: I like Eli Crank. Me and Eli have... I hate
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 1: saying that. We have wildly different opinions. Yeah, fucking wildly
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 1: different opinions than everybody I know. And that's okay. Yeah.
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 1: You know, but Eli's kind of on the other end
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 1: of this, I think, maybe. But you know what? Like,
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 1: that's a guy that emails his constituents and they tell
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: him how to vote. And I don't know any other
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 1: fucking politician that does that.
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 2: That is exactly how it's supposed to work.
• 1:04:09
  Speaker 1: Exactly. And you cannot fault a man for doing what
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 1: his constituents want him to do.
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's literally his job.
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 3: And.
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I really like Massey. There's a couple other people
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: that I think maybe there's some hope, but in order
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: to create the new system, I'm sorry, everybody has to go.
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 2: Everybody has to go. Every incumbent has to be out.
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: There cannot be any remnants left.
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 2: I could not agree more.
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: And it all has to happen at once. It can't
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: be a fucking president. It can't be a senator here
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: and there. It has to happen all at once, as
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: much as possible, all at once. I know not everybody's
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: up for election all at once, but there has to
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 1: be some type of a uniparty, you know, where everybody
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 1: comes together and it is against the Republican Party and
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 1: it's against the DNC and it has to be all,
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 1: and they have to run on the fact that we're
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: going to amend the Constitution. These are the things we're
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 1: gonna amend. It's gonna be term limits. It's gonna be
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 1: no more money in politics. Those are the first things
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 1: you're going to do when you fucking pass that way
• 1:05:19
  Speaker 1: because it's going to get corrupted again. It's only a
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 1: matter of time before it gets corrupted again. And so
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 1: when that happens, they need to pass what we need
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 1: them to pass, which are those two things, plus probably
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 1: a bunch more shit. But those are the two things.
• 1:05:32
  Speaker 1: First session after election, get your fucking asses in there,
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 1: amend that constitution, the end. Now we can go back
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: to fighting about abortion and race and all the other shit.
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 2: Taking care of term limits would stop the rot.
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: I don't think that's it.
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 2: Oh, I don't mean immediately. And not by itself. We've
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 2: got to stop the insider trading. We've got to stop
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 2: anything that allows elected officials.
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 1: To profit from their position, period, across the board. But
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 1: I do.
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 2: Completely agree it's going to take a viable third.
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 1: I mean, it feels like there's so much truth right
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 1: now being unveiled. nothing's happening yet i mean even when
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 1: i'm around my phone i mean i've always thought this
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 1: you know what i mean i mean i me and
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 1: a couple of guys um developed a whole application uh
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 1: that we're unveiling later on hell yeah you know for
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 1: for for phone privacy and security so that's how fucking
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 1: paranoid i am about it that i've went out and
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 1: developed my own damn app because of it and it's
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 1: going to be called glacier and uh probably out by
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 1: the time the show's out but I don't even, every
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 1: time I say something that I'm not proud of or
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 1: that I may regret if it hits the public and
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 1: I'm around my phone, I just look, I'm like, yep,
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 1: that's going to get unveiled at some.
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 2: Point in time.
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 1: I'm being serious. I agree. Because I think truth is
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 1: coming to the light. Now, it just depends on what
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 1: we're going to do with it when we get it.
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 2: Well, and that's the scary part. What if all the
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 2: truth comes out and nothing changes? Nobody does anything?
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 1: Then we deserve what we've got.
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 2: And that's a sad thing to accept, isn't it?
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 1: I read in the Wall Street Journal that there have
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 1: never been more Americans leaving the United States as there
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 1: is right now. Really? This time, applying for dual citizenship,
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 1: coming up with contingency plans because there is no confidence
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 1: in our institutions. There's no confidence in our people. There's
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 1: no confidence in the country. How fucking sad is that?
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 2: I've spent years arguing that Memphis, Tennessee is worth saving.
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 2: I never thought I'd be having to have that conversation
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 2: about this country.
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 1: But people are worth saving.
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 2: 100%. 100%.
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 1: People are always worth saving.
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 2: Government ain't worth a fuck right now.
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 3: No.
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 2: It hasn't been for a while.
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 1: Probably since JFK.
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 1: And who killed him? Don't you think that's weird? Who
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 1: killed him? Who killed JFK? Yeah. I mean, it's... Over
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 1: all the signs are pointing.
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 2: Mm-hmm.
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 1: You know, I mean, Tulsi had the JFK files in
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 1: her house.
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 2: And they raided her.
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 1: Supposedly they raided her. Right, right. She came out and
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 1: said they didn't raid her.
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 2: And then quit.
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 1: Then the next week, she resigns.
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 2: It's all fake and gay.
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 1: What's real? There's your next t-shirt. That's the problem.
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 2: I'm going to get canceled just for saying that.
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 1: But it's true.
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 2: It's true. You know, I just, I open my phone
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 2: half the time and I'm blown away at how stupid
• 1:09:01
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  Speaker 3: Sean Ryan.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the show, man.
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  Speaker 3: Glad to be here, man.
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  Speaker 1: Glad to have you. It's quite the adventure you guys
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  Speaker 1: have been on here for the past couple months.
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  Speaker 3: It's been a wild ride, man.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, no shit. Well, let me give you an introduction here.
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 1: Ryan Dalton, you began your career as a human rights
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 1: lawyer focused on combating child sex trafficking and dismantling trafficking networks.
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 1: You co-founded Rescue Forensics, an intelligence platform that helped law
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 1: enforcement recover more than 150 child victims. You later served
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 1: as a special agent with the U.S. Department of State's
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 1: Diplomatic Security Service and worked in crisis response and intelligence operations,
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  Speaker 1: supporting federal law enforcement and national security partners. Today, you
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  Speaker 1: are the co-founder of Closed Horizon, a platform focused on
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  Speaker 1: restoring integrity, to information in an era defined by deception.
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  Speaker 1: Most recently, you're one of the men alongside Ben Owen
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 1: during the Little St. James excursion tied to the Epstein
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 1: Isn't Dead campaign. Ryan Dalton, welcome to the show. Glad
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 1: to be here. So you were on the excursion with Ben. Yeah.
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 1: So before we get into why you think Epstein is
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 1: still alive. What prompted this?
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we met then and realized that we felt similarly
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 3: about this. Felt similarly that there's something real weird going
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 3: on here that we couldn't quite figure out. So we
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 3: decided we're going to go down to the island after
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 3: having this conversation and feeling that we are on the
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 3: same page about, you know, Epstein might have left us
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 3: all alive. To bring attention back to that island and
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 3: back to this issue, one of the concerns that we
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 3: had is that it seems to be there's distractions that
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 3: are just one after another. There's the Iran war and
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 3: there's UFO files. And all of these distractions are pulling
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 3: attention away from an issue that I think points to
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 3: a stranglehold on our democracy and our institutions deeper than Epstein.
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 3: And it deserves continued attention.
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 1: What do you think it is?
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 3: I think that the Epstein... The Epstein files reveal a
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 3: child sex trafficking operation that was used as leverage over
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 3: our politicians by a larger power structure that continues to
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 3: have a stranglehold on our institutions. And so.
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 1: A blackmail operation.
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 3: A blackmail operation. Effective for a long time. Yeah. Really
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 3: effective because it predates The internet. This is a blackmail
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 3: operation that predates the internet, that now with the internet,
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 3: people put the pieces together. And it's a lot harder
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 3: to hide it. And I think that blackmail operation for
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 3: a very long time was very successful.
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 1: I think it still is. Look at what's going on.
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 1: Nobody's talking. Nobody's getting arrested. Yeah. The only names that
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 1: I'm aware of that have been unveiled, unredacted, is the victims, correct?
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 1: They haven't revealed any abuser's names. Have they? Am I
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 1: wrong on that?
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 3: No, there's some that have forced this. I think that
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 3: Massey on the House floor insisted on revealing one of
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 3: the co-conspirators. There's a document where there were some co-conspirators
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 3: who were listed that he came forward and said, here's
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 3: one of Africa, which one it was, maybe the last Wexner.
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 3: But aside from that, there's not much that the U.S.
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 3: has done. Now, foreign countries have some real courage where
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 3: they're investigating this and really putting some effort into the investigation.
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 1: See, I thought this, because King Charles, right?
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 3: Prince Andrew.
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 1: Prince Andrew, excuse me. Prince Andrew. But he's off the
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 1: hook already, isn't he?
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 3: Oh, I don't know the latest status of his.
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 1: He got arrested. Oh, he did?
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 3: For... It wasn't a child abuse crime, I don't believe.
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 3: I believe it was something like conduct unbecoming of his
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 3: official diplomatic role that he was in at the time.
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 3: But it was an arrest. It's more than we got here.
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 1: Fair point. Fair point. Well, before we get into it,
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 1: are you familiar with Polymarket? I am. Here's the context.
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 1: The market, $ 2. 27 million plus in live trading volume on Polymarket,
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 1: resolves yes only if irrefutable proof is publicly revealed that
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 1: Epstein is still alive before... December 31st, 2026. The DOJ
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 1: has released 3 million plus pages, 2,000 videos, and 180,000 images.
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 1: Wonder what those images are of. From its Epstein investigation,
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 1: official records from the NYC Medical Examiner, DOJ, OIG, and
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 1: FBI established his 2019 death as suicide by hanging. The
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 1: crowd gives survival confirmation. A 5% chance.
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 3: We want proof of life.
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 1: We want proof of life. Yeah. I mean, there's been
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 1: a number of things that I dug up, but they've
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 1: all been debunked. Like the AI photos. You know, there
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 1: was some maniac Florida man posing as Jeffrey Epstein going
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 1: down the highway. That's been debunked. I got them right here.
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 1: I'll read them off real quick. Claim one. A post
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 1: on X claiming Israel faked his death gained over 6
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 1: million views. It featured a photo perpetually showing Epstein alive
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 1: in Tel Aviv, sporting white hair and a shaggy beard.
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 1: A second doctor image garnered another 2.4 million views. The verdict?
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 1: Both images were confirmed AI-generated or digitally altered. Reverse image
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 1: searches traced the originals to unrelated photos one dated May
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 1: of 2020, after Epstein's 2019 death. Claim number two, active
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 1: Fortnite account. A Fortnite profile named LittlestJeff1 appeared active after
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 1: Epstein's death, sparking speculation. The account went private shortly after
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 1: the speculation spread, which many took as suspicious confirmation. Verdict,
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 1: Fortnite confirmed that an existing account owner simply changed their
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 1: username to LittlestJeff1 after the DOG DOJ Epstein files were released.
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 1: Epstein's email address had no record in the Fortnite system.
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 1: Claim number three, Palm Beach Pete lookalike, March of 2026.
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 1: A video of a Florida man driving on I-95 went
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 1: viral with social media users claiming the driver was Epstein
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 1: and that he was still alive. The verdict, the man
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 1: nicknamed Palm Beach Pete publicly broke his silence confirming he
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 1: is simply a private citizen who resembles Epstein. He described
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 1: the situation as phenomenal. Florida man.
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 3: Florida man at it again.
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 1: Claim number four. This is the last one. Maxwell replaced
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 1: by lookalike February 2026. After Maxwell's deposition in February 26,
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 1: social media users pointed out to perceived discrepancies in her
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 1: facial features and voice, suggesting a lookalike had been swapped in. Verdict,
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 1: CBS News compared photos of Maxwell from 2015, 2016, 2020,
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 1: and 2026 and identified consistent features across all, including eyebrow shape,
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 1: ear structure, lip shape, and hair silhouette. Voice differences were
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 1: attributed to differing deposition contexts. You got anything that's not those?
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 3: Lots of things that aren't those.
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 1: All right. Yeah.
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 3: And, you know, I agree with these. These are, I'm
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 3: not convinced Palm Beach Pete is anything but a psyop.
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 3: It's just too on the nose. Yeah. Yeah, it just
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 3: is way too on the nose. I don't have any
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 3: comment on Delaine. I don't really, haven't really studied that
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 3: at all. What was the first one?
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 1: Oh, that was the AI photos.
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 3: The AI, oh yeah. So we put together an evidence
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 3: timeline that walks the reader through and it has to
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 3: meet a threshold for us, more likely than not, 51%
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 3: to 49%. So what we've done is, in our disclaimer
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 3: about how to read this evidence, is we've excluded anything
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 3: that could be AI-related. Anything that's post-AI era, we're not
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 3: even looking at it. And the reason for that is
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 3: how easy it is to fabricate evidence that can go viral.
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 3: It's not persuasive. So what we've done is taking the
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 3: information from the files themselves and look at the story
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 3: the files tell. The files, court documents, depositions, OIG investigations.
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 3: What story does the official release of the files tell
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 3: the people who dig into this? And so anything outside
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 3: of those bounds, we may supplement with a news article
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 3: that confirms a statement, but we source all of this
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 3: very carefully. where we have the claim and then the sources,
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 3: and the claim and then the sources on each of
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 3: these cards as we walk the reader down this, because
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 3: we're making a really big claim. You can't do this halfway.
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 3: There's no half measures on this one.
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 3: If you're making the claim that Epstein left that cell
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 3: alive and you pull on that thread, it implicates larger
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 3: power structures in our government and a deep level of corruption.
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 1: Now, I just have one question. Why would anybody want
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 1: him alive? What would the point of keeping him alive be?
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 1: It can only bring... risk.
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah. So say that you are Jeffrey Epstein, and you
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 3: have a multi-decade blackmail operation going on. Mm-hmm. He was
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 3: collecting blackmail when you had to put it on a
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 3: floppy drive.
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 3: He's been doing this for a long time. And we
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 3: know this because... The properties that he owned were wired
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 3: up with cameras. This is pretty well established, right? So
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 3: he has this large corpus of video and photographic evidence
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 3: on all the people that he could want to get
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 3: these on. Celebrities, politicians, scientists. And he's a master of
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 3: getting leverage. This appears to be a leverage campaign. So
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 3: if he has this much leverage, He's playing a dangerous
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 3: game in that if it goes sideways on him, he
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 3: has to make sure that he has his own insurance policy.
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 3: And what better insurance policy than retention of all of
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 3: this evidence as your dead man switch?
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 1: No ship. So you don't think this evidence has been
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 1: shipped out to a bigger entity?
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 3: I don't know what happened to the evidence, but I
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 3: think it would be negligent of him to not have
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 3: enough of it that he could say, hey, listen, Is
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 3: this gonna be a problem? Am I going to have
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 3: to let this out? And there's enough people that I
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 3: think would be persuaded that they don't want that to happen.
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 3: That's my best guess as to why to keep them alive.
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 3: What I do know is the government and co-conspirators were highly,
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 3: highly motivated to have a dead defendant, or at least
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 3: the appearance of a dead defendant. And the reason for
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 3: that is criminal discovery. So he's arrested. for a sex
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 3: trafficking offense and is going through the criminal proceedings process.
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 3: As part of that is discovery where the plaintiff and
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 3: the defendant surface all the evidence. It all comes out. Now,
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 3: this is pre-release of the files. So, what's gonna come out?
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 3: Flight logs, phone numbers, associates, financial records. Everything that could
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 3: defend or support the government's position. is going to have
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 3: to inevitably come out and the government and the co-conspirators
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 3: have no control over this. He could not have gone
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 3: to trial. That would have been a disaster because all
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 3: the evidence that come out would implicate people all the
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 3: way up and down the government and probably foreign governments.
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 3: He couldn't have gone to trial and so do you
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 3: know what stops criminal proceedings? The death of the defendant.
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 3: But if you have a defendant who has an enormous
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 3: body of evidence available to blackmail people with and get
• 1:28:06
  Speaker 3: leverage on them, well, then what's your option? The only
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 3: remaining option is to publicly have a dead defendant and
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 3: privately make sure there's no loose ends and extract him.
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 3: And this is what the files, the evidence supports in
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 3: the files.
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 1: Wow. What do you got for us?
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 3: So, the first thing I think is to understand really
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 3: who this guy was as best we possibly can. And
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 3: we know some things that are just very much in
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 3: the public sector about him. So he's this alleged billionaire
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 3: financial savant. He manages money for people, allegedly, that have
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 3: a lot of money. But then there are clues in
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 3: the files that are.
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 1: He says he works for the Rothschilds, right?
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 1: That's in the files. Is it in the files?
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 3: He emailed Peter Thiel saying that. So that was an
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 3: email to Peter Thiel saying, That's what I thought. As
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 3: you know, I believe were his words, I work for
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 3: the Rothschilds. So he's trying to seemingly get an introduction
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 3: for some kind of tech play, it looks like. And
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 3: he's making the introduction by doing a little bit of
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 3: name dropping.
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 3: Like, hey, there's some money on the other end of
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 3: this if we're going to talk. Seems to be the
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 3: way the email reads. Mm-hmm. So he has connections that
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 3: are larger, and here's the best piece of evidence we
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 3: have for this. So I've got show and tell for you.
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 1: Perfect.
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 3: This was discovered in the search warrant in New York
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 3: for one of his properties. And what you're looking at
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 3: is an Austrian passport with his photo, a younger Epstein,
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 3: and the alias of Robert Marius. This passport appears to
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 3: be a fraudulent passport. So not a fake one. A
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 3: fake passport is when you have a passport that's not
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 3: a valid travel document, right? Like, I make it at home.
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 3: A valid passport can be fraudulent under someone else's name.
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 3: This appears to be valid because he has entry and
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 3: exit stamps.
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 1: It's like the shit the intel agencies do.
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 3: This is our first connection.
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 1: Valid passport with a pseudoname. Yeah.
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 3: So this is the first connection where we have evidence
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 3: of this potentially connecting to an intel agency. Because who
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 3: can issue valid passports under a different name? Well, there's
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 3: consular who could do it, right? Under legitimate circumstances. And
• 1:30:47
  Speaker 3: you could make the argument that, oh, well, maybe he
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 3: got a fast one on consular of Austria and he
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 3: submitted this information and, you know, they issued it. But
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 3: under what motivation? who's motivating him to get this passport.
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 3: The other argument is that it was furnished to him
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 3: and had an operational purpose. In either case, we know
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 3: for sure this passport was recovered from his safe with
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 3: entry and exit stamps with his face.
• 1:31:16
  Speaker 1: And an alias. Wow. Where did you get this?
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 3: The files. This is in the files. So everything I'm
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 3: going to show you today We've pulled from the files
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 3: or public reporting that can be fact-checked. All of this
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 3: can be fact-checked. Again, this goes back to no half measures.
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 3: We cannot make a claim like this without substantial evidence.
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 3: Huge risk, reputational risk goes into making a claim that
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 3: he left that cell alive. But there's only three options.
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 3: Either he died from suicide in the cell, he was murdered,
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 3: or he left the cell alive. And of the three,
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 3: the one with the fewest problems is that he left
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 3: the cell alive.
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 1: Wow. Put this up on screen. What else do we got?
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 1: What is, I mean, where were these stamps to?
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 3: So I think it's on our website. I think it's
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 3: Saudi Arabia, France, and one more. But they're documented entry
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 3: and exit stamps. You can see the countries. I can't
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 3: recall the third.
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 1: What's your website? What's the address?
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's epsteinisntdead.org.
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 1: And you'd lay out this evidence. Epsteinisntdead.org. Yeah.
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 3: Because I was going through this initially out of just
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 3: pure personal interest. I'm a criminal investigator and lawyer by
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 3: my background. And I also care deeply about child trafficking.
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 3: Through my career, this has been a theme of my career.
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 3: And I have a daughter, and so it hits a
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 3: little harder for me. And I'm looking at the files,
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 3: and I use large language models to surface the things
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 3: that are in there that are maybe a little bit
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 3: harder to find manually. And I'm putting together a timeline,
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 3: because that's how a criminal investigator typically thinks, is in
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 3: terms of a timeline. And I start looking at this information,
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 3: and I think, no way. No way am I arriving
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 3: at this conclusion. I don't like this conclusion. It's uncomfortable
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 3: for me. I'm not happy about it. One of the
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 3: seductive things about conspiracies is how entertaining they are for
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 3: many people. This is not something that I find particularly fun,
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 3: but if the evidence continually supports a conclusion, we have
• 1:33:51
  Speaker 3: to stare at that conclusion in its face and see
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 3: if it's true. And so I sent this to probably
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 3: 100 people. And I was like, guys, fact check me
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 3: on this. Sanity check me on all this. Am I crazy?
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 3: And I sent it to people and they were like, bro,
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 3: you put all this together? Yeah, this is something here.
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 3: And I think that we make a compelling case for it.
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 3: And if he left that cell alive, it demands Congress,
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 3: the DOJ, to reckon with that and take it seriously.
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 1: I think we know the DOJ and Congress is definitely
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 1: not going to take it seriously.
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 3: That's what I'm afraid of, too. And maybe not this administration,
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 3: maybe not this batch of Congress people, but the American
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 3: people aren't going to let this one go.
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 1: You don't think so?
• 1:34:45
  Speaker 3: I don't think so. They can't. Because think about what
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 3: it means if we give up on this one. If
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 3: we give up on a child trafficker brought kids to
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 3: an island to serve them to the world's elite, killed them,
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 3: ate them, and used that as leverage to get a
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 3: stranglehold on our democracy. If we let that go, just
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 3: give it all up. All of it. What does any
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 3: of it matter anymore? If we let this one go,
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 3: none of it matters anymore. And I think the American
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 3: people intuitively feel this. I think they intuitively feel something's wrong,
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 3: but they can't quite put words on it. And that's
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 3: what we tried to do. It's really, here's what you
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 3: feel is wrong. Here's what it is. And so we
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 3: lay it out and make the case for him leaving
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 3: that cell alive being the option that has the fewest
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 3: problems of the three.
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 1: What else you got?
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 3: So follow the money. Before he dies, two days before
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 3: he dies, he executes a new will and trust that
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 3: moves $ 577 million into a new legal vehicle that I
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 3: would structure this way if I was about to fake
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 3: my death. So he meets with his lawyers up to
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 3: 12 hours a day while he's in prison. And the
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 3: outcome of this is the creation of the 1953 trust,
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 3: where all of his assets that are known are moved
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 3: into this trust. And this accomplishes two things at the
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 3: same time. The first thing it does is it makes
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 3: it very difficult to ascertain the beneficiaries of this money.
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 3: So trust can be created in such a way that
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 3: the beneficiaries of that are not accessible to the public.
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 3: And so it would allow him to access this money
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 3: and these assets in a roundabout way through shell companies
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 3: and through having estate planning that supports the complexity needed
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 3: to access this money later. The second thing it does
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 3: is it prevents any of his assets from going through probate,
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 3: which would also make this public in the probate process.
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 3: He restructures his entire estate two days before he dies. Now,
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 3: is this complex estate planning for someone who's like, you
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 3: know what, I'm about to end my life and I
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 3: feel like I need to put everything into the right
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 3: place at the right time for all my money, or
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 3: is it estate planning for someone who wants to get
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 3: access to those assets after they're out of jail? And
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 3: I think that the way that I read it is,
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 3: Someone who's suicidal, who really is about to kill themselves.
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 3: And I don't believe he was like that because he
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 3: was so obsessed with immortality. He was so obsessed with
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 3: health and.
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 3: All kinds of sort of fringe things about continuing his
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 3: life onward. And he was probably like all billionaires and
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 3: sex traffickers have some ego. And he's already got a
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 3: sweetheart deal in 2007. So there's some hubris there. I
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 3: can't reconcile that with someone creating a will and trust
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 3: who's about to kill themselves. It doesn't sit right. It
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 3: seems more likely that that complex estate planning is in
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 3: preparation for accessing those assets after he's out.
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 1: I mean, a lot of people also think that he
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 1: was given a choice.
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 3: Meaning you kill yourself or we're going to do it
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 3: kind of thing. If he died in that cell, it
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 3: doesn't explain his escape plan. You seeing this? No.
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 1: There's an escape plan. Yeah.
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 3: So you're a SEAL.
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 1: Get the fuck out of here.
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 3: You tell me if this is an evasion plan. I'm
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 3: going to hand you this. I'm doing this out of
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 3: order a little bit. But you're right. You went through Sierra, right?
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 1: I didn't. Oh, no?
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 3: No.
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 1: Well, you're familiar. I evaded out of that one. You
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 1: evaded out of that one.
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 3: So my partner, Alex, smart guy, and he looked at this,
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 3: I called it an escape plan and he rightly corrected me.
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 3: He said, no man, this is an evasion plan. So
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna give you context for this document that you're holding.
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 3: This is the smoking gun for me. This is the
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 3: single piece of evidence that gives me the confidence to
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 3: have this conversation with you right now. You're looking at
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 3: a two notes, there's two pages here, of legal paper
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 3: that were found in his cell after his alleged death.
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 3: Most people are not talking about this at all. Very
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 3: little conversation is happening about these documents, and it is
• 1:40:34
  Speaker 3: astonishing to me. This is an escape plan, so keep
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 3: in mind what just happened. He just restructured his estate
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 3: and has set himself up to have access to after
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 3: he leaves. And then two days later, he allegedly dies
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 3: and this is recovered from his cell. So what you're
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 3: looking at, some of it's illegible. And so I'm not
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 3: going to speculate about the things that I can't read
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 3: because his handwriting was atrocious. It was super inconsiderate of
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 3: him to have terrible handwriting and make me have to
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 3: figure this out later on. But I'm going to draw
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 3: attention to some of the things here that really stand out.
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 3: And the first is, do you see in the middle
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 3: top of the page where red notice is underlined multiple times.
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 3: A red notice is an Interpol notice that goes out
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 3: to worldwide policing agencies for a fugitive. So why is
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 3: a guy about to kill himself concerned about red notices?
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 3: This is again on legal paper. So I don't know
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 3: this for sure, but this was, potentially furnished to him
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 3: by his lawyers who carry legal paper. And not the
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 3: note as it exists now, but that's where he got
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 3: the paper. So were these conversations happening with the people
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 3: that were there providing legal counsel to him? I don't know.
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 3: But it seems to be, based on the timeframe, they're
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 3: pretty close to each other for when these would have
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 3: been written. The next thing that really jumps out at
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 3: the top, top right, Next to that dollar sign, it
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 3: says what I believe to be blackmail. See the dollar
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 3: sign there in the top right?
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 3: Next to it, that word looks like blackmail to me.
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 3: So what's happening? If he gets out, he's thinking about
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 3: where to get money. If he's gotten blackmail on people,
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 3: that's pretty easy to be like, hey man, you need
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 3: to just wire me 10 grand, 100 grand, a million dollars,
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 3: whatever leverage he has, to get access to money. Because
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 3: you've got to figure out how to live while you're out.
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 3: And maybe he doesn't know what he has access to.
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 3: I can't read the word above that. I don't know
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 3: if it says bounty. So I'm not going to speculate further.
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 3: But beneath it, it definitely says guards. Guards are a problem.
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 3: If you want to get out of a federal prison,
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 3: You've got to deal with the guards. We can talk
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 3: about the guards in a little bit. But he's for
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 3: sure worried about the guards. And then there's some things
• 1:43:22
  Speaker 3: in between. But I can contextualize the things in between
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 3: based on the drawing that you see there in the
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 3: middle right. What does that look like to you?
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 1: Are you talking about this?
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 3: This right here.
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well, down here. Yeah. Looks like some sort of
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 1: a compound.
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it looks to me like an airport from overhead.
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 3: And it looks like an airport because of the word Brad.
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 3: So Bradley International Airport is a small regional airport that's
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 3: two hours away from the Metropolitan Correctional Center. So the
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 3: nearest small airport. And if he's going to fly out
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 3: of there, it can't be through LaGuardia or JFK for
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 3: obvious reasons.
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 1: So it's jet right here, too.
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 1: Looks like it says Nigeria above that.
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 3: That's right. So above it, and we know this is
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 3: an airport because it says Brad, Bradley International Airport would
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 3: be a great airport to go to if you don't
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 3: want to deal with customs and you want to have
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 3: access to the services expected of someone who has a
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 3: lot of money. So private hangars, private runways, it has
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 3: these things. And above it, it says, I can't tell
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 3: what the middle word is. So it either says jet
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 3: versus prop or jet U.S. prop. So that could either
• 1:44:45
  Speaker 3: be this is a jet or it's a prop plane.
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 3: What kind of vehicle are we in here? Or it
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 3: could be jet U.S. property. Is he flying out on
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 3: a U.S. plane? Because that would have obvious risks carried
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 3: with it if he's escaping on a U.S. controlled aircraft
• 1:45:07
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  Speaker 3: And then where's it going?
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  Speaker 1: Who was in office when he committed suicide?
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  Speaker 3: It was Trump in office then, right?
• 1:47:20
  Speaker 1: That's so weird.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Who would have thought?
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it goes all the way to the top.
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 3: So where does he go? Well, we don't know. We
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 3: can only speculate, but we can see that there's intent
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 3: here based on these locations that are written. Above jet
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 3: versus problem, I'm kind of walking you back up the page.
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 3: It says Nigeria. So they're probably an okay location to hide,
• 1:47:46
  Speaker 3: I guess. No one's going to look for Epstein in Africa.
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 3: Would Qatar and Saudi Arabia B locations, and they're very friendly.
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 3: Access to money. Associates there, for sure, we know that.
• 1:48:01
  Speaker 3: So the Q and the S-A next to Nigeria could indicate...
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 3: other locations that he's interested in. And then to the
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 3: left of that.
• 1:48:12
  Speaker 3: It says gangsters. See that to the left of the
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 3: Q and the S-A?
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:48:22
  Speaker 3: I don't know what that means. But I would imagine
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 3: if you're someone like him, you're willing to make a
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 3: lot of friends with a lot of people, not all
• 1:48:32
  Speaker 3: of them good people, who can get you the things
• 1:48:36
  Speaker 3: that you need. Gangsters are people who can be fixtures
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 3: for you and not ask questions. So that's a logical
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 3: person to ask or group of people. And then there's
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 3: a lot of other things on here that I just
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 3: don't know what mean.
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 1: And it would be completely like a U S map.
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Up here in the middle left. Yeah, it does.
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 3: It looks like a U S map. Someone said a
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 3: cow looks like a cow too. It does look like
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 3: a cow.
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 1: What do you think this is, the redacted portion?
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 3: I have no idea. Beneath it, though, it says computer
• 1:49:24
  Speaker 3: and then something illegible and then question mark and then VI,
• 1:49:27
  Speaker 3: which I'm assuming means Virgin Islands.
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 1: Palm Beach.
• 1:49:31
  Speaker 3: Oh, that's right. Palm Beach.
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 1: The PB. It's got to be Palm Beach.
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 3: So computer, Palm Beach, question marks, VI, Virgin Island. And
• 1:49:39
  Speaker 3: above that, it says G. That's what he called Ghislaine,
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 3: is G. So he's thinking about Ghislaine in computer or
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 3: multiple computers in Palm Beach and Virgin Islands. And I'd
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 3: be pretty worried about computers if I were him too.
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 3: It also, there's one piece on here that looks like
• 1:50:05
  Speaker 3: LSR up near the travel part. My best guess on that,
• 1:50:10
  Speaker 3: and I'm not willing to guess on many of these
• 1:50:12
  Speaker 3: if I don't feel confident, but LSR seems to be
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 3: last stop routes. So my understanding is in aviation, this
• 1:50:20
  Speaker 3: is a term indicating a airfield that is the last
• 1:50:24
  Speaker 3: on a connecting journey that to get to that airfield
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 3: would mean it's relatively remote compared to other airfields and
• 1:50:32
  Speaker 3: likely has less immigrations and customs restrictions. That's where I'd
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 3: want to go if I'm trying to evade.
• 1:50:50
  Speaker 1: What do you think is under LSN? Looks like it
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 1: says Muslim, maybe?
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 3: It does say Muslim.
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 1: Maybe Asia under that?
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I can't make out that third character. Above it,
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 3: it says Muslim, and so I would imagine that Muslim
• 1:51:08
  Speaker 3: nations would be potentially easy to hide in. Find a
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 3: remote area and hole up somewhere. You're not going to
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 3: be looked for in some of them. That's entirely speculation,
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 3: but it does say Muslim pretty clearly.
• 1:51:26
  Speaker 1: Why would he have written this all down?
• 1:51:30
  Speaker 3: I thought that too. Why write all this down and
• 1:51:33
  Speaker 3: then leave it in the cell? Why leave your escape
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 3: plan in your cell? And then I remembered, oh, Epstein
• 1:51:45
  Speaker 3: and his associates were talking over Gmail about raping and
• 1:51:50
  Speaker 3: eating kids. His OPSEC was bad. He didn't give a
• 1:51:57
  Speaker 3: damn about any of his OPSEC, about any of this
• 1:52:00
  Speaker 3: over Gmail. And being in the government, we both know
• 1:52:04
  Speaker 3: You can't talk about anything over anything or someone's going
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 3: to suck up those comms. He has decades of not caring.
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 3: And he leaves this behind. Someone's going to sanitize this cell.
• 1:52:16
  Speaker 3: He's got people that do this for him. My best
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 3: guess is, is there's some hubris here, some pride, and
• 1:52:25
  Speaker 3: that whoever's redacting these things didn't know what they were
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 3: looking at, or they did know what they were looking at,
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 3: and our institutions are not homogenous, meaning that some institutions
• 1:52:34
  Speaker 3: federal agent or lawyer looked at this, redacted only what
• 1:52:37
  Speaker 3: was absolutely required and allowed us to piece this together.
• 1:52:42
  Speaker 3: I hope that's the case. Because these people that are
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 3: performing these redactions took the oath that you and I
• 1:52:48
  Speaker 3: did to support and defend the Constitution against enemies, foreign
• 1:52:51
  Speaker 3: and domestic.
• 1:52:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:52:56
  Speaker 3: Even when they come from inside the House.
• 1:53:01
  Speaker 1: Everybody's just doing their job, right?
• 1:53:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:53:06
  Speaker 1: That's the excuse. The excuse. It's always the excuse. I'm
• 1:53:10
  Speaker 1: just doing my job. Fuck you. Yeah.
• 1:53:13
  Speaker 3: And they have to reckon with that. And there's some
• 1:53:16
  Speaker 3: that have resigned. And I admire that courage. Because here's
• 1:53:19
  Speaker 3: the sinister nature of this whole scheme. You can't whistleblow
• 1:53:23
  Speaker 3: on this and bring out the actual best evidence. Because
• 1:53:27
  Speaker 3: it's illegal, one, for classified, two, for child sexual abuse material.
• 1:53:33
  Speaker 3: you transmit that to a reporter you've just earned yourself
• 1:53:36
  Speaker 3: a strict liability offense or they don't care what your
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 3: intent was you're going to.
• 1:53:41
  Speaker 1: Jail yeah the old two-chair justice system.
• 1:53:44
  Speaker 3: Real quick on this let me show you page two
• 1:53:47
  Speaker 3: this is the real zinger right so the top of
• 1:53:49
  Speaker 3: page two he's complaining about something i don't know he
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 3: got he had a bad day he got locked in
• 1:53:55
  Speaker 3: to the shower or something i think that's absolutely hilarious
• 1:53:58
  Speaker 3: i imagine him sitting in that cell and just Dear Diary,
• 1:54:01
  Speaker 3: I had a bad day. Like, he's pretty upset. You
• 1:54:04
  Speaker 3: flip it over. This second from the top line says
• 1:54:13
  Speaker 3: jail out equals 10. And he allegedly died in that
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 3: cell on August 10th, 2019. He had foreknowledge of the
• 1:54:23
  Speaker 3: day that he's getting out. So what you're left with,
• 1:54:28
  Speaker 3: and this is the smoking gun, is you have a
• 1:54:31
  Speaker 3: escape plan written by a person who knows they're going
• 1:54:36
  Speaker 3: to be a fugitive about where the nearest airport is,
• 1:54:40
  Speaker 3: what considerations to avoid, how to get money, and foreknowledge
• 1:54:44
  Speaker 3: of the day that they're gonna leave that cell. This
• 1:54:47
  Speaker 3: is an evasion plan.
• 1:54:52
  Speaker 1: Wow. You might be right.
• 1:55:00
  Speaker 3: Someone who's going to kill themselves doesn't write this down.
• 1:55:13
  Speaker 1: Shit. Do you think there's any chance this could be
• 1:55:32
  Speaker 1: a psyop?
• 1:55:34
  Speaker 3: Yeah. There's layers of psyops here. Top to bottom. This
• 1:55:39
  Speaker 3: could be a psyop. For sure. What I can't reconcile this,
• 1:55:43
  Speaker 3: and I've thought about this, is this disinformation. I guess
• 1:55:47
  Speaker 3: that's always possible. But when you take the totality of
• 1:55:52
  Speaker 3: it all, this piece into the larger picture that it paints.
• 1:55:59
  Speaker 3: It makes the most sense that he left that cell
• 1:56:00
  Speaker 3: alive because of the other mistakes that were made in
• 1:56:04
  Speaker 3: this cover-up and the post-prison signals of life. And each
• 1:56:11
  Speaker 3: of these pieces by themselves don't... have equal weight. It's
• 1:56:18
  Speaker 3: up to the reader to make decisions about which ones
• 1:56:21
  Speaker 3: weigh the most for them. But you can put mathematical
• 1:56:26
  Speaker 3: modeling on these. and apply objective standards to them. And
• 1:56:33
  Speaker 3: this has been done. And we're going to put up
• 1:56:35
  Speaker 3: this mathematical model on the website for people who have
• 1:56:38
  Speaker 3: PhDs in statistics to evaluate. But what we've done, and
• 1:56:43
  Speaker 3: this is my good friend Nick McKinley, who runs a
• 1:56:46
  Speaker 3: nonprofit called Deliver Fund, who does amazing work in the
• 1:56:49
  Speaker 3: counter-trafficking space, former CIA guy, PJ, hero by all accounts,
• 1:56:55
  Speaker 3: rescued many kids from the horrors of that industry.
• 1:56:58
  Speaker 1: I'm aware of them. Yeah.
• 1:57:01
  Speaker 3: He did a mathematical model on this. And he looked
• 1:57:05
  Speaker 3: at this and he said the smoking gun for him
• 1:57:07
  Speaker 3: was the statistical odds of this being possible. And he
• 1:57:11
  Speaker 3: took the 14 largest anomalies. You can group those into cameras, guards,
• 1:57:20
  Speaker 3: and protocols. For the cameras, we know, again, all this
• 1:57:26
  Speaker 3: can be fact-checked. Some of them just straight up went down.
• 1:57:31
  Speaker 3: Just like, not were working at all. Some of them
• 1:57:39
  Speaker 3: did work, but then the footage is just missing. We
• 1:57:43
  Speaker 3: just don't know what happened to it. Epstein's cellmate lawyers
• 1:57:47
  Speaker 3: tried to get this footage and it's just file not found.
• 1:57:51
  Speaker 3: Of the ones that were working, we have a missing
• 1:57:54
  Speaker 3: minute of footage, gone. Just not there.
• 1:58:01
  Speaker 1: I know, man. I know. I think you're right.
• 1:58:06
  Speaker 3: And then you have, of the footage that we got,
• 1:58:08
  Speaker 3: the supposedly raw footage. Wired showed that, the Wired magazine,
• 1:58:16
  Speaker 3: showed that Adobe Premiere Pro edited that raw footage. Take
• 1:58:23
  Speaker 3: those anomalies and compound them with the guards who were
• 1:58:26
  Speaker 3: every 30 minutes supposed to check on him and they didn't.
• 1:58:29
  Speaker 3: They fell asleep. They were browsing the internet, shopping online.
• 1:58:34
  Speaker 3: And then the protocol of him not having a roommate
• 1:58:36
  Speaker 3: despite trying to commit suicide, allegedly. And despite the Department
• 1:58:42
  Speaker 3: of Psychology at the prison who sends out an email
• 1:58:44
  Speaker 3: to 70 people, including the warden, saying that this guy
• 1:58:47
  Speaker 3: needs to have a roommate and nothing was done. And
• 1:58:50
  Speaker 3: so now you have a guy in jail who has
• 1:58:55
  Speaker 3: no guards watching him. no roommate, cameras go down, and
• 1:58:58
  Speaker 3: is in the prime position for extraction. The odds of this,
• 1:59:05
  Speaker 3: all of these failures happening concurrently, based on this model
• 1:59:10
  Speaker 3: that we're going to allow people to scrutinize as much
• 1:59:13
  Speaker 3: as they want and argue with us about it, is
• 1:59:16
  Speaker 3: 1 in 5 times 10 to the 30th power. Those
• 1:59:27
  Speaker 3: numbers are meaningless to me unless I can put them
• 1:59:30
  Speaker 3: into an actual, something that makes sense in my head.
• 1:59:33
  Speaker 3: And it would be the equivalent of taking a quarter
• 1:59:37
  Speaker 3: and flipping heads 102 times in a row.
• 1:59:43
  Speaker 1: Not happening.
• 1:59:45
  Speaker 3: And so this moves us away from conjecture and conspiracy
• 1:59:48
  Speaker 3: forums and into mathematical understanding of the odds of this happening.
• 1:59:56
  Speaker 3: is effectively impossible where a mathematician would look at this
• 1:59:59
  Speaker 3: and say you've made an assumption wrong or there's an
• 2:00:02
  Speaker 3: error in your reasoning because if this is what the
• 2:00:05
  Speaker 3: odds show this is impossible he was left in that
• 2:00:12
  Speaker 3: cell in the prime position for extraction.
• 2:00:34
  Speaker 1: Why would anybody else want him alive? What do you mean? Well,
• 2:00:39
  Speaker 1: let's say he was working for the Rothschilds like he
• 2:00:43
  Speaker 1: says he was. Do you think they would want him alive?
• 2:00:53
  Speaker 1: Why the fuck did they even arrest him to begin with?
• 2:00:58
  Speaker 1: From the get-go, it was a clean-up job.
• 2:01:02
  Speaker 3: It happened twice, so he wasn't probably worried about it.
• 2:01:05
  Speaker 3: It happened once before in Palm Beach, and he got
• 2:01:07
  Speaker 3: a sweetheart deal. Which is a whole other rabbit trail
• 2:01:14
  Speaker 3: that's just astonishing to me.
• 2:01:16
  Speaker 1: A guy disconnected, right? You know what I mean? Disconnected. Yeah.
• 2:01:21
  Speaker 1: Why would they even, how would he even get booked
• 2:01:23
  Speaker 1: to jail anyways? Why would they even have a case
• 2:01:26
  Speaker 1: on him? Don't you think somebody would have pulled him off?
• 2:01:31
  Speaker 3: I think our DOJ and FBI are not homogenous. I
• 2:01:34
  Speaker 3: think the leverage starts at the top, but there are
• 2:01:36
  Speaker 3: men and women who took that oath and take it
• 2:01:38
  Speaker 3: seriously in our organizations.
• 2:01:39
  Speaker 1: I know, but I'm just saying, you know as well
• 2:01:41
  Speaker 1: as I do, lots of investigations, domestic, overseas. I mean,
• 2:01:47
  Speaker 1: lots of investigations have been stopped for whatever reason. You know, hey,
• 2:01:53
  Speaker 1: we're pulling you off this.
• 2:01:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:01:56
  Speaker 1: Why wouldn't somebody just get pulled off?
• 2:02:00
  Speaker 3: It certainly would have been very high profile, right? So
• 2:02:02
  Speaker 3: it's gonna go through layers of review. And I think
• 2:02:05
  Speaker 3: it's gonna depend on where this octopus of stranglehold and
• 2:02:13
  Speaker 3: all of its legs have wrapped itself around someone who
• 2:02:16
  Speaker 3: could make that call. It's not a perfect coverup. They've
• 2:02:23
  Speaker 3: made mistakes. They're humans. and I refuse to think that
• 2:02:32
  Speaker 3: the corruption runs complete through our institutions. Maybe one day
• 2:02:36
  Speaker 3: it will. But I don't think it does right now.
• 2:02:41
  Speaker 1: What do you mean by that?
• 2:02:42
  Speaker 3: Meaning that if the corruption were complete, then everyone on
• 2:02:46
  Speaker 3: our institutions would be Team Epstein.
• 2:02:50
  Speaker 1: You don't feel like they are?
• 2:02:52
  Speaker 3: I feel at the top it looks that way.
• 2:02:53
  Speaker 1: That's kind of what I mean. To me, that means complete.
• 2:02:57
  Speaker 2: Hmm.
• 2:02:58
  Speaker 3: Based on leadership.
• 2:02:59
  Speaker 1: If the leadership in every one of our institutions is
• 2:03:02
  Speaker 1: all beating the same drum, nothing's going to get accomplished.
• 2:03:07
  Speaker 1: We're seeing that, right?
• 2:03:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:03:10
  Speaker 1: You can only do so much, and then when you
• 2:03:13
  Speaker 1: get yanked off, I'm just doing my job.
• 2:03:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:03:16
  Speaker 1: You know?
• 2:03:19
  Speaker 3: There are clues for this that are interesting to me.
• 2:03:22
  Speaker 3: For example, Kash Patel sat in this chair and said
• 2:03:26
  Speaker 3: that he was going to clean it all up.
• 2:03:29
  Speaker 1: Oh, I burned that chair. I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. Yeah.
• 2:03:33
  Speaker 3: But I believed him. And I remarked to my wife
• 2:03:35
  Speaker 3: at the time, like, that's the politician I believe in.
• 2:03:38
  Speaker 3: That's awesome. I want that.
• 2:03:40
  Speaker 1: I was warned before I had him on the show.
• 2:03:42
  Speaker 1: He was completely full of shit.
• 2:03:44
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:03:44
  Speaker 1: A very good friend of mine. And he was fucking right.
• 2:03:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah. But you have an optimist in you probably that
• 2:03:52
  Speaker 3: didn't want to believe that. And I've got that one
• 2:03:54
  Speaker 3: in me too. The America that I grew up in,
• 2:03:57
  Speaker 3: And when I look at that flag and what I
• 2:03:58
  Speaker 3: feel about that flag, I can't let that go. And
• 2:04:06
  Speaker 3: him sitting here and watching that conversation about what he
• 2:04:10
  Speaker 3: really means, I wonder if he really meant it or
• 2:04:13
  Speaker 3: if when he sat on the house floor and he
• 2:04:14
  Speaker 3: said there's nothing in those Epstein files and perjured himself.
• 2:04:20
  Speaker 1: Why?
• 2:04:22
  Speaker 3: Where's the leverage? Where does it start and how deep
• 2:04:24
  Speaker 3: does it go? And I just can't believe it goes
• 2:04:27
  Speaker 3: as deep as the federal agents who took the oath
• 2:04:30
  Speaker 3: and who go home to their families at night and
• 2:04:32
  Speaker 3: are not in the spotlight and run their investigations. Some
• 2:04:36
  Speaker 3: of them, maybe. I can't imagine it's all of them.
• 2:04:42
  Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think it's the lower level guys,
• 2:04:45
  Speaker 1: probably not even the mid-tier, probably not even all the
• 2:04:48
  Speaker 1: way to the top tier. But I think the top
• 2:04:51
  Speaker 1: tier fucking knows.
• 2:04:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah. That's my read on it, too. I know those guys, man.
• 2:04:56
  Speaker 3: I was a federal agent. I got tons of friends
• 2:04:59
  Speaker 3: that are feds. They're good people. But some of them
• 2:05:05
  Speaker 3: are looking at this information and saying, yeah, I'll redact that.
• 2:05:08
  Speaker 3: I'll redact that. I'll redact that. And at some point,
• 2:05:15
  Speaker 3: they're complicit in this cover-up because it is a cover-up.
• 2:05:18
  Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. What are you hoping to gain
• 2:05:27
  Speaker 1: by doing this?
• 2:05:33
  Speaker 3: We started Closed Horizon out of the belief that America's
• 2:05:36
  Speaker 3: in an epistemological crisis. Epistemology being the study of how
• 2:05:41
  Speaker 3: you know the things that you know. What is truth?
• 2:05:46
  Speaker 3: We're lied to constantly. Constantly. There's a new psyop every day.
• 2:05:54
  Speaker 3: We deserve better psyops. There's a new one every day. Deception. Lies.
• 2:05:59
  Speaker 3: Coming from the White House. Our institutions. Corruption. AIPAC buying
• 2:06:07
  Speaker 3: our government seats. Look what happened to Massey.
• 2:06:11
  Speaker 1: Everything's a fucking lie, man. It's all a lie. It's
• 2:06:14
  Speaker 1: all lies. Everything's. Everything. I mean, even... I just did
• 2:06:20
  Speaker 1: this episode with this guy, Pete Blaber. Delta Colonel.
• 2:06:26
  Speaker 3: And.
• 2:06:26
  Speaker 1: we went over a whole slew of lies that just
• 2:06:29
  Speaker 1: Naval Special Warfare is propping people up like heroes and
• 2:06:32
  Speaker 1: passing out awards. I mean, I'm pretty sure you know
• 2:06:38
  Speaker 1: about this shit. And that's, yes, even though people that
• 2:06:43
  Speaker 1: I know died in those events and were killed and
• 2:06:45
  Speaker 1: they were fighting for the country, I mean, that is so,
• 2:06:48
  Speaker 1: I hate to say it like this, but that is
• 2:06:51
  Speaker 1: so far It's just not as significant as what we're
• 2:06:58
  Speaker 1: talking about right now. When you're talking about people eating
• 2:07:00
  Speaker 1: babies and raping fucking kids and blackmail and are basically
• 2:07:05
  Speaker 1: our government is run by a shadow government. Yeah. I mean, it's, it's, it's,
• 2:07:14
  Speaker 1: but I mean, we lie, we lie about that shit.
• 2:07:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah. Did you see the email that was sent to
• 2:07:21
  Speaker 3: Ghislaine asking if she wants to be on the shadow
• 2:07:24
  Speaker 3: nine 11 commission?
• 2:07:26
  Speaker 1: No, I didn't see that.
• 2:07:27
  Speaker 3: She gets an email. You can dig it up in
• 2:07:29
  Speaker 3: the files.
• 2:07:29
  Speaker 1: We'll put it up on screen right now.
• 2:07:32
  Speaker 3: To be on the shadow 9-11 commission. And here's what's
• 2:07:36
  Speaker 3: interesting about the files. You want to get into corruption?
• 2:07:39
  Speaker 3: There is a canyon of missing files between 99 and 2002.
• 2:07:48
  Speaker 3: Nothing came out in those years. Well, what happened in
• 2:07:51
  Speaker 3: those years? You have both 9-11 and the dot-com crash.
• 2:07:57
  Speaker 3: major events that shaped the next decades of history. What's
• 2:08:02
  Speaker 3: being hidden there?
• 2:08:09
  Speaker 1: What do you think's being hidden?
• 2:08:12
  Speaker 3: I think that what we've been told about some of
• 2:08:14
  Speaker 3: those events is really uncomfortable and not true. And it
• 2:08:21
  Speaker 3: would create a existential crisis for a generation of Americans
• 2:08:27
  Speaker 3: who fought, bled, and died overseas. Because they looked at
• 2:08:32
  Speaker 3: those towers being hit, and they said, this cannot stand
• 2:08:36
  Speaker 3: in my country. I'm gonna serve my country honorably, and
• 2:08:39
  Speaker 3: I'm gonna go fight over there, because they saw what
• 2:08:41
  Speaker 3: happened there. And I don't think it was what it
• 2:08:45
  Speaker 3: was per... what it was portrayed to be. And I
• 2:08:48
  Speaker 3: think that Canyon of files, if it ever comes out,
• 2:08:53
  Speaker 3: will show this.
• 2:08:55
  Speaker 1: Do you think the files even still exist?
• 2:08:58
  Speaker 3: That's a good question. I hope so. I hope they do.
• 2:09:10
  Speaker 1: You gonna watch the big UFC event tonight at the
• 2:09:12
  Speaker 1: White House? The.
• 2:09:17
  Speaker 3: the big fight?
• 2:09:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what we're all worried about, right? The fucking
• 2:09:21
  Speaker 1: UFC fight.
• 2:09:22
  Speaker 3: Your bread and circus. Here, take your bread and circus.
• 2:09:26
  Speaker 1: Shit really is biblical, man. It is.
• 2:09:29
  Speaker 3: It's a war of good and evil. And I knew
• 2:09:32
  Speaker 3: this was a war of good and evil when I
• 2:09:34
  Speaker 3: saw the darkest thing in the files. I used to
• 2:09:38
  Speaker 3: think that this was a criminal organization that was very sophisticated.
• 2:09:42
  Speaker 3: And it is. But it's deeper than that. This is
• 2:09:44
  Speaker 3: a good and evil issue. There was an email. I
• 2:09:51
  Speaker 3: gotta be careful. There was an email between Epstein and
• 2:09:59
  Speaker 3: an associate, and it's redacted who this associate is, where
• 2:10:08
  Speaker 3: Epstein recounts how a girl told him that she believed
• 2:10:14
  Speaker 3: while in her bed that God protected her. and that
• 2:10:18
  Speaker 3: Jesus was watching over her. And then he says, whoops.
• 2:10:26
  Speaker 3: And the person replies, you should dress up like him,
• 2:10:29
  Speaker 3: being Jesus, the next time you see her. We don't
• 2:10:39
  Speaker 3: wrestle against flesh and blood. This is deeper. This is
• 2:10:45
  Speaker 3: a war of good and evil. of truth, of secret
• 2:10:49
  Speaker 3: keepers and truth seekers. And I think that if we
• 2:10:58
  Speaker 3: don't get it under control, we're a generation away from
• 2:11:00
  Speaker 3: losing the empire. Because we care about it, but you
• 2:11:05
  Speaker 3: ask the next generation coming up, you ask Gen Z,
• 2:11:08
  Speaker 3: and a lot of them don't believe all the bullshit,
• 2:11:10
  Speaker 3: which is cool. They don't believe what the legacy news
• 2:11:15
  Speaker 3: media is telling them. They're like, man, all that's just lies.
• 2:11:18
  Speaker 3: But the problem is you extend that worldview into belief
• 2:11:21
  Speaker 3: about our institutions. All of it's corrupt, all of it's lies.
• 2:11:24
  Speaker 3: I don't believe in any of it anymore. Then you
• 2:11:28
  Speaker 3: get permission to do this forever without consequence.
• 2:11:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:11:35
  Speaker 3: The people who grew up like we did are the
• 2:11:38
  Speaker 3: last line against this. And it is more urgent than
• 2:11:41
  Speaker 3: people realize. Because once you get into the next generation,
• 2:11:47
  Speaker 3: we give up on this. It's over.
• 2:11:54
  Speaker 1: I know. I know.
• 2:12:02
  Speaker 3: But these people make mistakes. This isn't perfect. The people
• 2:12:07
  Speaker 3: that have done this conspiracy, and I'm okay using that
• 2:12:11
  Speaker 3: word because this is where the evidence takes me. People
• 2:12:13
  Speaker 3: have called me a conspiracy theorist in the lawsuit against
• 2:12:16
  Speaker 3: us for trespassing, and I don't give a damn about trespassing.
• 2:12:20
  Speaker 3: Not one damn about it. I gotta correct Ben on
• 2:12:25
  Speaker 3: two things. I love Ben, but I am an actively
• 2:12:27
  Speaker 3: barred lawyer. I'm sorry, I'm a barred lawyer with an
• 2:12:30
  Speaker 3: inactive license. And he was very generous to me and
• 2:12:36
  Speaker 3: just said that if they got caught, that they would
• 2:12:38
  Speaker 3: have to worry about trespassing charge. I don't give a
• 2:12:40
  Speaker 3: shit about a trespassing charge. We are going to figure
• 2:12:43
  Speaker 3: out whatever it takes to get to the truth on
• 2:12:45
  Speaker 3: this matter. And they make mistakes. Here's another for you. So,
• 2:12:55
  Speaker 3: let me.
• 2:13:00
  Speaker 1: Give you.
• 2:13:05
  Speaker 3: These two documents. Oh, hold on. Yeah, these three documents,
• 2:13:14
  Speaker 3: which we'll cover real quickly. But I think you're gonna
• 2:13:16
  Speaker 3: find this really interesting, John. So the first one is
• 2:13:23
  Speaker 3: this one labeled page six at the top here. This
• 2:13:28
  Speaker 3: is a page from the medical examiner's autopsy of Jeffrey Epstein.
• 2:13:36
  Speaker 3: And the top line, the first full sentence, says the
• 2:13:41
  Speaker 3: prostate is slightly and diffusely enlarged with mark enlargement of
• 2:13:45
  Speaker 3: the varimontanum. I don't know what that is. So this
• 2:13:50
  Speaker 3: is her observation. Medical examiner, official autopsy for Jeffrey Epstein,
• 2:14:01
  Speaker 3: that he does have a prostate. This next line, this
• 2:14:06
  Speaker 3: is just kind of an aside. It's not relevant to
• 2:14:08
  Speaker 3: the evidence here. It's just really embarrassing. It says the
• 2:14:10
  Speaker 3: testes are unremarkable. I don't know that I'd want that
• 2:14:13
  Speaker 3: in my autopsy. So she makes this position that there
• 2:14:20
  Speaker 3: is a prostate. This next document is a deposition. And
• 2:14:30
  Speaker 3: he's asked a question. He's asked a series of hypothetical questions.
• 2:14:34
  Speaker 3: You can have high testosterone and still have a need
• 2:14:37
  Speaker 3: for a Viagra because you don't have a prostate, right?
• 2:14:41
  Speaker 3: And he says, correct. Seemingly indicating on face value that
• 2:14:47
  Speaker 3: he doesn't have a prostate. Now there's controversy over this
• 2:14:52
  Speaker 3: because people make the argument that the U in that
• 2:14:55
  Speaker 3: sentence is the royal U. Meaning sort of a general
• 2:15:01
  Speaker 3: question about someone's medical condition. Okay, fair enough. But the
• 2:15:05
  Speaker 3: next document is a LabCorp record. And he has a
• 2:15:11
  Speaker 3: series of LabCorp records and other medical records as well
• 2:15:18
  Speaker 3: as intake forms that began as early as I could
• 2:15:20
  Speaker 3: find as 2012 maybe, where he's having problems with his prostate,
• 2:15:27
  Speaker 3: his testes. There's some kind of urological problem that he's having.
• 2:15:31
  Speaker 3: And so he's visiting a urologist. And at the bottom
• 2:15:34
  Speaker 3: of this, in highlighted, it says, serum PSA should decrease
• 2:15:41
  Speaker 3: and remain at undetectable levels after radical prostatectomy, which is
• 2:15:46
  Speaker 3: the removal of the prostate. So in his deposition, he
• 2:15:50
  Speaker 3: remarks that it'd be correct, this is what to expect
• 2:15:52
  Speaker 3: if you don't have a prostate. In his LabCorp record,
• 2:15:57
  Speaker 3: it seems to be a... a document indicating either pre-surgery
• 2:16:05
  Speaker 3: or follow-on, or at least some kind of analysis for
• 2:16:08
  Speaker 3: what the condition of his prostate would be like, or
• 2:16:10
  Speaker 3: his PSA and urinalysis would be if he didn't have
• 2:16:13
  Speaker 3: a prostate. But the official finding in the autopsy is
• 2:16:19
  Speaker 3: that he had a prostate. And based on all of
• 2:16:21
  Speaker 3: the other records that look at his medical history and
• 2:16:25
  Speaker 3: things that his associates sent him, it appears he most
• 2:16:28
  Speaker 3: likely had prostate cancer. And I know that because his
• 2:16:32
  Speaker 3: associates would send him medical journal articles about the state
• 2:16:38
  Speaker 3: of the art of prostate cancer, vaccines, cures. There were
• 2:16:45
  Speaker 3: 132 records if you search prostate cancer in the files.
• 2:16:52
  Speaker 3: He also had a health coach that he seemingly donated
• 2:16:55
  Speaker 3: a lot of money to who was sending him articles about...
• 2:17:00
  Speaker 3: or referencing an article for him to go look at
• 2:17:03
  Speaker 3: about being recovered from stage four prostate cancer. So these
• 2:17:09
  Speaker 3: three files in and of themselves are not entirely determinative
• 2:17:11
  Speaker 3: about the condition of the prostate, but it's a valid
• 2:17:14
  Speaker 3: open question about whether he didn't have a prostate and
• 2:17:18
  Speaker 3: the office of the chief medical examiner didn't track that
• 2:17:23
  Speaker 3: and it wasn't his body on the table.
• 2:17:27
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 2:17:34
  Speaker 3: Detractors of this theory make the comment that this bottom
• 2:17:38
  Speaker 3: paragraph is boilerplate language on a lab core record. Fair enough,
• 2:17:45
  Speaker 3: but he's still being evaluated for what his level should
• 2:17:48
  Speaker 3: look like following a radical process. And prostate cancer is
• 2:17:55
  Speaker 3: occurring many times throughout the files. So, I'm not going
• 2:18:00
  Speaker 3: to say that it's completely determinative, but it's a very open,
• 2:18:03
  Speaker 3: valid question about if they made a mistake here. What
• 2:18:07
  Speaker 3: we do know is that he had a Body double
• 2:18:12
  Speaker 3: of some kind.
• 2:18:14
  Speaker 1: Say that again?
• 2:18:14
  Speaker 3: We do know that the FBI's own memo showed that
• 2:18:19
  Speaker 3: they pushed out a body for the media to see
• 2:18:23
  Speaker 3: that was covered in boxes and blankets to divert them
• 2:18:25
  Speaker 3: away from following it as it moved away from the
• 2:18:28
  Speaker 3: Metropolitan Correctional Center. We know that for sure.
• 2:18:32
  Speaker 1: 100%.
• 2:18:34
  Speaker 3: There's a memo showing that they pulled this scheme to...
• 2:18:39
  Speaker 3: trick the media basically when it came out. But weirdly,
• 2:18:43
  Speaker 3: the New York Post was there to take photos. And
• 2:18:46
  Speaker 3: so what they did is, as the gurney came out,
• 2:18:49
  Speaker 3: took photos of this alleged body on the gurney. From
• 2:18:55
  Speaker 3: the FBI memo, they say it was boxes and sheets.
• 2:18:58
  Speaker 3: The New York Post took photos of somebody. And we
• 2:19:02
  Speaker 3: know that because we have those photos. And what people
• 2:19:06
  Speaker 3: went back and did is they compared the photos of
• 2:19:09
  Speaker 3: him on the gurney to his mug shots and compared
• 2:19:14
  Speaker 3: the ear and the bridge of the nose. And if
• 2:19:19
  Speaker 3: you look at the cartilage of a dead person, it's
• 2:19:23
  Speaker 3: not gonna change that much. Like their face is gonna
• 2:19:25
  Speaker 3: change the way that the body carries fluids, they'd look different,
• 2:19:30
  Speaker 3: but your cartilage doesn't change right after you die. So
• 2:19:36
  Speaker 3: you can see for yourself The difference between even just
• 2:19:41
  Speaker 3: the nose. One of them is him dead, the New
• 2:19:46
  Speaker 3: York Post photos, and the other is him alive, the mugshot.
• 2:19:53
  Speaker 3: The bridge of the nose is curved on the dead body,
• 2:19:56
  Speaker 3: and it's more straight on the mugshot. The ear.
• 2:20:07
  Speaker 3: The ear is interesting because you can identify a body
• 2:20:10
  Speaker 3: based on the ears. We have unique shapes of our ears,
• 2:20:13
  Speaker 3: kind of like a fingerprint in a way. And the
• 2:20:19
  Speaker 3: version I'm showing you is in black and white. In color,
• 2:20:20
  Speaker 3: this is more evident, but I didn't have a color printer.
• 2:20:23
  Speaker 3: No one has printers anymore.
• 2:20:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 2:20:27
  Speaker 3: You could see the comparison of the ears. It's not
• 2:20:29
  Speaker 3: the same ear. So who is on that gurney? Because
• 2:20:36
  Speaker 3: based on this, Unless something really crazy happened to his
• 2:20:39
  Speaker 3: face after he died, which I guess is possible. That's
• 2:20:44
  Speaker 3: not his face.
• 2:20:48
  Speaker 1: Wow. Yeah, that is completely different.
• 2:20:57
  Speaker 3: It's a different guy. So you pull this together and
• 2:21:10
  Speaker 3: you look at it and you think, am I crazy?
• 2:21:14
  Speaker 1: The whole thing makes you think you're crazy. It does.
• 2:21:16
  Speaker 3: It makes you think you're crazy.
• 2:21:17
  Speaker 1: From the beginning. If you vocalize what you're thinking, the institutions,
• 2:21:28
  Speaker 1: the administration will all label you crazy.
• 2:21:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 2:21:34
  Speaker 1: Low IQ. Low IQ.
• 2:21:37
  Speaker 3: CBS News covered an article on us.
• 2:21:42
  Speaker 1: Say that again.
• 2:21:42
  Speaker 3: CBS News did an article on us. Legacy Media Institution.
• 2:21:46
  Speaker 3: I think the reporters that we talked to were good people.
• 2:21:48
  Speaker 3: I think at once it hit an editor desk. It said, oh,
• 2:21:51
  Speaker 3: this has all been debunked. None of this has been debunked.
• 2:21:55
  Speaker 3: None of it is lazy. If you can't contend with
• 2:21:58
  Speaker 3: the facts, you smear me and Ben. You paint us
• 2:22:01
  Speaker 3: as crazy conspiracy theorists. You do lawfare, sue us for
• 2:22:07
  Speaker 3: civil trespass. Anything, anything but contend with the evidence itself.
• 2:22:15
  Speaker 3: And I think this is part of the playbook. And
• 2:22:18
  Speaker 3: the enemy is more sophisticated than we realize. I fell
• 2:22:22
  Speaker 3: for some of their tricks, hook, line, and sinker. And
• 2:22:26
  Speaker 3: the most clever one is the controversy that began right
• 2:22:29
  Speaker 3: after he died. There was an autopsy that was performed
• 2:22:34
  Speaker 3: And the conclusion of the autopsy says, this is death
• 2:22:39
  Speaker 3: by hanging. Official narrative. At the same time, his brother
• 2:22:44
  Speaker 3: Mark Epstein hires a forensic examiner to look at the
• 2:22:48
  Speaker 3: results of the autopsy. The forensic examiner says, well, hold up.
• 2:22:55
  Speaker 3: This little bone in the neck called the hyoid bone,
• 2:22:59
  Speaker 3: if that breaks, that's more consistent with strangulation. And now
• 2:23:06
  Speaker 3: this controversy begins between he killed himself or he was murdered.
• 2:23:14
  Speaker 3: From the jump.
• 2:23:15
  Speaker 1: That was manufactured as well.
• 2:23:18
  Speaker 3: If I'm wanting to take my kids to dinner, as
• 2:23:21
  Speaker 3: their dad, I say, hey, do you guys want to
• 2:23:24
  Speaker 3: go out for steak or sushi? And you know what
• 2:23:27
  Speaker 3: they do? They bicker like nine-year-olds. Normal nine-year-old stuff. Steak, sushi, steak, sushi.
• 2:23:34
  Speaker 3: I don't care. I love both.
• 2:23:37
  Speaker 1: They're both great.
• 2:23:39
  Speaker 3: But I've controlled the narrative. And what they did is brilliant.
• 2:23:44
  Speaker 3: They controlled the narrative on this because they knew the
• 2:23:47
  Speaker 3: official statement would be rejected by people who don't trust
• 2:23:50
  Speaker 3: our institutions. Immediately would be rejected. The number one global
• 2:23:57
  Speaker 3: pedophile dies by suicide as the first suicide in 21
• 2:24:01
  Speaker 3: years at the Metropolitan Correctional Center. First suicide in 21 years.
• 2:24:06
  Speaker 3: They know damn well that people are going to say,
• 2:24:09
  Speaker 3: no way. We're not that dumb. So what happened? Well,
• 2:24:14
  Speaker 3: the forensic examiner says, oh, this was suicide by hanging,
• 2:24:17
  Speaker 3: and I fell for this hook, line, and sinker. It's like,
• 2:24:20
  Speaker 3: clearly he was murdered. Clearly. It's a false choice. It's
• 2:24:29
  Speaker 3: a false choice. The third option. It's entirely valid. Like
• 2:24:33
  Speaker 3: with my kids, there's a lot of other options. All
• 2:24:37
  Speaker 3: their favorites, Chipotle, Chick-fil-A, whatever. Tons of options, but I
• 2:24:42
  Speaker 3: narrowed it down to two, gave them two, and made
• 2:24:44
  Speaker 3: them fight over which two. So you've seen this in
• 2:24:46
  Speaker 3: a near decade of memes now about Epstein didn't kill himself. Yeah,
• 2:24:52
  Speaker 3: he didn't. He left the cell alive. That's the third option,
• 2:24:55
  Speaker 3: and they control the narrative from day one. Brilliant move.
• 2:25:08
  Speaker 1: How much more do you have to look through?
• 2:25:13
  Speaker 3: There are some post-life signals that are interesting. You brought
• 2:25:17
  Speaker 3: up the Fortnite one. I am not convinced that the
• 2:25:20
  Speaker 3: official Fortnite position is anything but part of the cover-up.
• 2:25:26
  Speaker 1: I could be wrong.
• 2:25:26
  Speaker 3: I'm not going to hold on to that one too tight.
• 2:25:29
  Speaker 1: Maybe.
• 2:25:29
  Speaker 3: Maybe. He had another gaming account that went live called
• 2:25:32
  Speaker 3: War Thunder under the email that he had. I don't
• 2:25:35
  Speaker 3: know anything about War Thunder, but the email he had, jeevacationatgmail.com,
• 2:25:40
  Speaker 3: I believe it is. There's receipts and things like that.
• 2:25:43
  Speaker 3: There's activity on that email afterwards. That's very interesting. If
• 2:25:48
  Speaker 3: everyone thinks you're dead, what do you care if you
• 2:25:50
  Speaker 3: use the same email? Your files aren't coming out. No
• 2:25:52
  Speaker 3: one has access to your Gmail. So those are intriguing.
• 2:25:57
  Speaker 3: And then the most intriguing for me is there's a
• 2:26:00
  Speaker 3: YouTuber named Rusty Shackleford, and he flew a drone over
• 2:26:05
  Speaker 3: Little St. James. And he got like two hours of footage. 4K,
• 2:26:12
  Speaker 3: it looks like, great resolution. And as he flies around,
• 2:26:16
  Speaker 3: he brings the drone over roughly the middle of the island-ish,
• 2:26:21
  Speaker 3: and there's some side-by-sides sitting there. And the drone is
• 2:26:26
  Speaker 3: positioned above these side-by-sides, And there's someone in one of
• 2:26:31
  Speaker 3: the side-by-sides in the driver's seat who leans forward and
• 2:26:37
  Speaker 3: looks up at the drone and then goes back in
• 2:26:39
  Speaker 3: that side-by-side. And that person looked like an older gentleman
• 2:26:45
  Speaker 3: with gray hair that met my threshold of this should
• 2:26:51
  Speaker 3: be looked at. This is post-death. And let me tell
• 2:26:56
  Speaker 3: you something about that island because I've been to it.
• 2:26:59
  Speaker 3: If you wanted to hide somewhere, these intelligence people will
• 2:27:02
  Speaker 3: hide in plain sight. It wouldn't be a bad option,
• 2:27:06
  Speaker 3: especially if you have to clean up some loose ends
• 2:27:08
  Speaker 3: with your computers or technical infrastructure. No one's going to
• 2:27:12
  Speaker 3: think you're alive. And even if I came forward and
• 2:27:14
  Speaker 3: I said, he's alive and he's on that island, people
• 2:27:16
  Speaker 3: would laugh at me. No way, man.
• 2:27:19
  Speaker 1: No way.
• 2:27:20
  Speaker 3: So it's not an unsafe place, particularly because you can
• 2:27:25
  Speaker 3: stay there with it. extreme privacy, and the only way
• 2:27:28
  Speaker 3: that you wouldn't have privacy is if someone has an
• 2:27:29
  Speaker 3: aerial shot of you, which seems really unlikely, but this
• 2:27:33
  Speaker 3: guy did. He flew this drone over, and you can
• 2:27:34
  Speaker 3: watch this footage on Rumble. It's been taken down all
• 2:27:37
  Speaker 3: over the internet, but it's still up on Rumble as
• 2:27:39
  Speaker 3: of today. Who knows if it'll still be up, but
• 2:27:42
  Speaker 3: I'm sure people have preserved it. You can look and
• 2:27:44
  Speaker 3: make your own decision. This is post-death and pre-AI, which
• 2:27:49
  Speaker 3: meets our criteria. If it's after he died and before
• 2:27:53
  Speaker 3: the introduction of large language models, which can edit images.
• 2:27:55
  Speaker 3: All right, we'll put that in. So you take all
• 2:28:02
  Speaker 3: of these now in totality, from the passport to the
• 2:28:08
  Speaker 3: conditions in the jail cell, the trust, the escape plan,
• 2:28:15
  Speaker 3: the condition of the body when he is wheeled out
• 2:28:19
  Speaker 3: on the gurney, and walk your way all the way down,
• 2:28:23
  Speaker 3: and then post-life signals that carry some weight. The option
• 2:28:30
  Speaker 3: with the fewest problems of the three is that he
• 2:28:33
  Speaker 3: left that cell alive. And he left that cell alive.
• 2:28:38
  Speaker 3: We want proof of life.
• 2:28:44
  Speaker 1: Do you think you'll ever find out? We're going to try.
• 2:28:47
  Speaker 3: And here's how we're going to do it, and are
• 2:28:51
  Speaker 3: doing it. So Alex, my co-founder, and I work for
• 2:28:54
  Speaker 3: Rewards for Justice. It's the federal government's rewards program for
• 2:29:00
  Speaker 3: information about the who's who in the national security world
• 2:29:02
  Speaker 3: of bad guys. It's a very effective program. I put
• 2:29:08
  Speaker 3: out $ 5 million for Bob Bad Guy. Say that you
• 2:29:13
  Speaker 3: took a different path in life and you're Sean Ryan
• 2:29:15
  Speaker 3: and you run a terrorist network and everyone that's in
• 2:29:18
  Speaker 3: your staff here is part of your terrorist network. And
• 2:29:22
  Speaker 3: then you wake up one day and you see on
• 2:29:23
  Speaker 3: the news that there's $ 5 million reward for information about
• 2:29:27
  Speaker 3: the location of Sean Ryan. What are you worried about?
• 2:29:37
  Speaker 1: A lot of things.
• 2:29:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 2:29:40
  Speaker 3: You're worried about everyone that knows your eye color, your
• 2:29:42
  Speaker 3: plate numbers, where you bed down. It creates incentives for
• 2:29:47
  Speaker 3: betrayal within your network. It also restricts your freedom of
• 2:29:51
  Speaker 3: movement and closes your horizons. You can't travel anymore. You
• 2:29:57
  Speaker 3: can't be on planes. You can't be jet setting. You
• 2:29:59
  Speaker 3: can't be driving around past marketplaces, going to see your
• 2:30:04
  Speaker 3: associate friends. It makes the enemy adjust their TTPs. We
• 2:30:11
  Speaker 3: don't have $ 5 million, but we do have is a
• 2:30:14
  Speaker 3: lot of people that are mad about this. And we
• 2:30:16
  Speaker 3: started the reward pool and put in 40,000 of our
• 2:30:19
  Speaker 3: own money and people are contributing to this reward pool.
• 2:30:22
  Speaker 3: If we're wrong, and I'm willing to be wrong. In fact,
• 2:30:25
  Speaker 3: I would prefer to be wrong. I take no satisfaction
• 2:30:29
  Speaker 3: in being right about this. If we're wrong, every dollar
• 2:30:33
  Speaker 3: in that reward pool goes to Ben's organization. We fight
• 2:30:35
  Speaker 3: monsters to help people in trafficking and addiction. Every dollar.
• 2:30:39
  Speaker 3: If we're wrong, we can't prove it. But if we're right,
• 2:30:43
  Speaker 3: that reward pool will grow and grow year over year
• 2:30:46
  Speaker 3: as a long-term commitment to justice and truth. And incentivize
• 2:30:51
  Speaker 3: people to come forward. And if people have proof of life,
• 2:30:56
  Speaker 3: we want direct observational evidence. Not open source. I mean,
• 2:31:01
  Speaker 3: Ben is doing the open source side. My human collection
• 2:31:05
  Speaker 3: side wants direct observational evidence. I was his driver. I
• 2:31:09
  Speaker 3: was his gardener. I was his plastic surgeon. Those people,
• 2:31:16
  Speaker 3: because his associates aren't going to care. Say we get
• 2:31:18
  Speaker 3: it to a million dollars. Say some crazy person watching
• 2:31:21
  Speaker 3: this who has a ton of money says, I believe
• 2:31:23
  Speaker 3: in this, and puts in $ 10 million. His associates don't
• 2:31:27
  Speaker 3: care about that much money.
• 2:31:28
  Speaker 1: They don't care.
• 2:31:30
  Speaker 3: But you know who would care? For all of the
• 2:31:33
  Speaker 3: logistical parts of his life that have people that require,
• 2:31:38
  Speaker 3: they're required to hide someone. Gardeners, security, drivers, maids, plastic surgeons.
• 2:31:48
  Speaker 3: People that know, and this is not a fringe belief
• 2:31:51
  Speaker 3: that he's alive among his people in the Virgin Islands
• 2:31:56
  Speaker 3: and people that went to high school with him, survivors
• 2:32:00
  Speaker 3: of his crimes. So you build a reward pool big enough,
• 2:32:06
  Speaker 3: it becomes expensive to stay silent.
• 2:32:13
  Speaker 1: Where do people go for that?
• 2:32:17
  Speaker 3: They can go to EpsteinIsn'tDead.org, read the evidence, make your
• 2:32:22
  Speaker 3: own conclusion. If you believe in this and you think
• 2:32:24
  Speaker 3: you'll let that sell alive, consider the reward pool. The
• 2:32:31
  Speaker 3: other thing that they can do is go to ClosedHorizon.com
• 2:32:37
  Speaker 3: where we've created a marketplace for truth. We are tired
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  Speaker 3: of being lied to about everything and constant deception. Tired
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  Speaker 3: of it. There are questions that matter and are dangerous questions.
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  Speaker 3: If I'm right, this is a dangerous question. Closed Horizon
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  Speaker 3: allows anyone to create a campaign and fund it like
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  Speaker 3: GoFundMe and pay sources for information. Whatever your question is.
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  Speaker 3: There's other questions out there that are dangerous questions. Who
• 2:33:12
  Speaker 3: really killed Charlie Kirk? It's a dangerous question. They don't
• 2:33:15
  Speaker 3: have to be big questions. They can be little ones, too.
• 2:33:17
  Speaker 1: Who really killed JFK?
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  Speaker 3: Who killed JFK?
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  Speaker 1: Where'd those files go? I mean, we were told they
• 2:33:25
  Speaker 1: were going to release those files, right? Yeah.
• 2:33:28
  Speaker 3: He campaigned on that, right? Trump did?
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  Speaker 1: If my memory is correct, yes, he did.
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  Speaker 3: Why is everything a lie? This is what I mean
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  Speaker 3: by an epistemological crisis. We have become accustomed to being
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  Speaker 3: lied to about everything.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. I know. Well, I hope you get to the
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  Speaker 1: bottom of this. That's some pretty compelling evidence that you've
• 2:34:10
  Speaker 1: got there.
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  Speaker 3: We're not willing to give up on it. I can't, man.
• 2:34:17
  Speaker 3: Can't give up on this one.
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  Speaker 1: Can't. What's next for you guys?
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  Speaker 3: The other way that people can help here is we're
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  Speaker 3: calling for an Epstein Truth Commission. And if any members
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  Speaker 3: of Congress have the courage to reach out to us.
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  Speaker 3: We believe that there should be a Epstein Truth Commission,
• 2:34:50
  Speaker 3: like there was a 9-11 Truth Commission or 9-11 Commission
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  Speaker 3: and a church committee after the JFK assassination. Now there's
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  Speaker 3: problems with those, sure. But the FBI has fully abdicated
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  Speaker 3: its duty to investigate this. Completely. There's no reason that
• 2:35:09
  Speaker 3: Ann Rodriguez based on my reading, shouldn't be charged under
• 2:35:13
  Speaker 3: the Mann Act and the sex trafficking statute for procuring
• 2:35:17
  Speaker 3: people and bringing them to the islands for illegal sexual activity.
• 2:35:22
  Speaker 3: That's a low-hanging fruit one. That's the island manager, not
• 2:35:25
  Speaker 3: a billionaire. That's an easy one. That's the sacrificial lamb.
• 2:35:34
  Speaker 3: Brought people to that island for the purpose of illegal
• 2:35:36
  Speaker 3: sexual activity, harbored and transported for child victims. for commercial sex.
• 2:35:42
  Speaker 3: Something of value was exchanged for a commercial sex... for
• 2:35:44
  Speaker 3: a sex act. So there's no.
• 2:35:49
  Speaker 3: FBI and DOJ who's willing to do this in this administration.
• 2:35:52
  Speaker 3: We need a long-term commitment to justice from our federal government.
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  Speaker 1: I'm still trying to figure out how somebody gets arrested
• 2:35:58
  Speaker 1: for sex trafficking when there's... Who do you traffic to?
• 2:36:03
  Speaker 3: To nobody, Sean. Ghislaine and Epstein didn't traffic them to anybody.
• 2:36:11
  Speaker 3: Believe that and go back to Brown Circus.
• 2:36:14
  Speaker 1: I can't wait for that UFC fight.
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  Speaker 3: Let's go, baby.
• 2:36:16
  Speaker 1: I bet it's going to be a real good one.
• 2:36:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah. The stakes are high. I think people have to
• 2:36:26
  Speaker 3: wake up to that.
• 2:36:32
  Speaker 1: Man. Well, Ryan, I really appreciate what you're doing, man.
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  Speaker 1: Thanks for coming in.
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  Speaker 3: I have something for you.
• 2:36:40
  Speaker 1: Oh, shit. What is it?
• 2:36:44
  Speaker 3: Ben gave you the We Fight Monsters flag. This is
• 2:36:48
  Speaker 3: the closed horizon flag that we brought to the island. So,
• 2:36:53
  Speaker 3: you got two.
• 2:36:54
  Speaker 1: Oh, man. Thank you.
• 2:36:59
  Speaker 3: That's our... Our logo is a reticle and a compass
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  Speaker 3: with the north indicated.
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  Speaker 1: Love it.
• 2:37:11
  Speaker 3: Truth, gotta find truth. I have another gift for you.
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  Speaker 3: My understanding is, is you were reading the Stoics, is
• 2:37:21
  Speaker 3: that right? Who's your favorite?
• 2:37:25
  Speaker 1: Marcus Aurelius.
• 2:37:25
  Speaker 3: Marcus Aurelius, the OG Stoic.
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  Speaker 1: That's right. My interview yesterday was about this.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah?
• 2:37:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: He's made a generational impact on the lives of men.
• 2:37:38
  Speaker 3: Be like the promontory upon which the waves continually crash
• 2:37:41
  Speaker 3: while they're allowed to sleep at your feet. That's how
• 2:37:46
  Speaker 3: a man should be, and you're one.
• 2:37:47
  Speaker 1: Of those men.
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  Speaker 3: And this is a Roman Denarius with the depiction of
• 2:38:00
  Speaker 3: Marcus Aurelius on it. And I give that to you
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  Speaker 3: as a fellow truth seeker. You have the courage to
• 2:38:07
  Speaker 3: say things here that other people won't say. It was
• 2:38:10
  Speaker 3: given to me by a truth seeker. I pass it
• 2:38:14
  Speaker 3: to you as a truth seeker that is saying things
• 2:38:17
  Speaker 3: that other people are afraid to say. Won't say. That matter.
• 2:38:21
  Speaker 3: And maybe one day you'll pass it along to another
• 2:38:24
  Speaker 3: truth seeker and you'll have a long legacy of truth
• 2:38:27
  Speaker 3: seekers who have owned that coin.
• 2:38:30
  Speaker 1: I will. Thank you, man. Ryan, I wish you the
• 2:38:37
  Speaker 1: best of luck. And if you come across anything else,
• 2:38:40
  Speaker 1: let me know. I'd love to have you and Ben
• 2:38:42
  Speaker 1: and anybody else back to sit on this.
• 2:38:45
  Speaker 3: We'd love to come back. All right, brother.
• 2:38:48
  Speaker 1: God bless.
• 2:38:49
  Speaker 3: Thanks, Sean.
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