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Accused Long Island Serial Killer Disturbing Searches · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Greece.
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Speaker 2: Finally the devil behind bars. I'm talking about a well
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Speaker 2: known architect, Rex Hueman, now charged in three of many
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Speaker 2: Long Island murderers. How many more is he connected too?
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Speaker 2: And not only that? Are my suspicions real? Is this
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Speaker 2: guy connected to even more dead bodies? This is what
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Speaker 2: has been going? Right now? Do you do the same
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Speaker 2: thing every morning? I do. I go and I make
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Speaker 2: a cup of hot tea either half skim half hot
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Speaker 2: water or half cashy milk and half hot water. Then
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Speaker 2: I read crime news on five am after I take
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Speaker 2: my mother a cup of coffee. I do the same
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Speaker 2: thing every morning. You want to tell me he quit
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Speaker 2: murdering women, because as recently as twenty twenty three, and
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Speaker 2: I checked three times, he was buying more minutes in
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Speaker 2: a cell phone store for his Burner phone, which is
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Speaker 2: how he contacted all of these murdered women through Berner phone.
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Speaker 2: He's still at it. I believe that's why he was
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Speaker 2: arrested at this time, not earlier, not later, because for
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Speaker 2: some reason police feared he was yet again on the hunt.
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Speaker 2: Joining me right now, longtime friend and colleague, forensic expert
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Speaker 2: founder director for the cold case research institute and star
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Speaker 2: of a new hit series, Zone seven. Cheryl McCollum is
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Speaker 2: with us. Cheryl, he ain't done.
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Speaker 3: Yet, Nancy. I think you are spot on. Not only
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Speaker 3: are there more bodies coming, I think we're going to
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Speaker 3: look in different states if.
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Speaker 2: We can connect them. And now that we've got his
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Speaker 2: DNA off a pizza crust, I'm so happy they got
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Speaker 2: it off a pizza crust. Now that we've got his DNA,
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Speaker 2: I think it needs to be compared to every other homicide,
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Speaker 2: unsolved homicide case of women. Now we do know that
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Speaker 2: there was one Asian male in this mix, one of
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Speaker 2: the many bodies found there on Long Island near Gilgo Beach.
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Speaker 2: So it's not just limited to women, but I think
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Speaker 2: largely generally speaking, it is women that's who he likes
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Speaker 2: to torture. Have you seen his Google searches I have.
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Speaker 2: I hate to even say them out loud. I had
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Speaker 2: to go rents out my mouth after I read them
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Speaker 2: out loud. They actually physically make me sick. I hate
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Speaker 2: to even actually look at them on my iPad or
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Speaker 2: my my laptop. Hey, Cheryl, you remember when I wrote
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Speaker 2: my first book. It was Objection and I wrote one
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Speaker 2: chapter about bloodmining, about how people like sell autopsy reports
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Speaker 2: and autopsy photos and just horrible things associated with murder.
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Speaker 2: By the time I looked all that up, I actually
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Speaker 2: got rid of the laptop. It's like a three hundred
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Speaker 2: dollars laptop, because I felt that it was just tainted
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Speaker 2: with all the disgusting searches I had to run to
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Speaker 2: write that book. And when I looked at these searches,
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Speaker 2: I mean, can we just talk about that for a
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Speaker 2: moment place you start.
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Speaker 3: Well, I think you need to read a couple of them.
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Speaker 2: Okay, I'm pulling them up right now.
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Speaker 3: Give the folks some highlights, because I think it's important
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Speaker 3: for people to understand it.
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Speaker 2: While I'm looking them up again, tell me how close
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Speaker 2: the bodies were to each other?
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Speaker 3: Oh, within three miles? All of these bodies eight that
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Speaker 3: we know of in that three.
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Speaker 2: Mile stretch, four bodies within five hundred feet. Ooh, you're right,
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Speaker 2: that's yeah. Is that the gilgo For? Jack? Was it
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Speaker 2: those four the gilgo For or four out of many
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Speaker 2: bodies right along that very small stretch of remote beach
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Speaker 2: that were discarded in camouflage type burlap bags. And the
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Speaker 2: way they were tied up, and the mode of death
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Speaker 2: were all similar. And there's DNA connecting back to him
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Speaker 2: and his wife. She's not involved. Her hair I believe
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Speaker 2: was transferred from either her or their home to the purp,
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Speaker 2: the alleged purp, and that he transferred that to them.
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Speaker 2: That said back to the searches. Okay, here we go.
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Speaker 2: Are you ready? Well it sounds, it sounds innocuous enough.
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Speaker 2: It starts with mistress Long Island, mature escorts, Manhattan. You
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Speaker 2: know his office is architectural office is Manhattan. Here we go.
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Speaker 2: Girl begging for rape porn. You better sit down, jackie.
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Speaker 2: Teen girl begging for rape porn. Pretty girl with bruised face,
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Speaker 2: porn torture, redhead porn, This one scary ten year old schoolgirl.
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Speaker 2: Hinta plump, blank lips cut off porn. Wait a minute,
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Speaker 2: wait wait hint plump blank lips, cut off porn. Skinny, redhead,
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Speaker 2: tied up porn, short, fat girl, tied up porn, tied
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Speaker 2: up and raped porn. Asian twink tied up porn. Twink
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Speaker 2: is a slang word for male who has feminine characteristics
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Speaker 2: tied slave, force fed, blank blank shot and crying porn
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Speaker 2: girl hod tide, torture porn. I mean, I guess I'll
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Speaker 2: keep going. Ten year old, blonde hair girl, chubby, ten
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Speaker 2: year old girl, black girl, ten years old. There's a
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Speaker 2: lot of searches for ten year old girls. Girl with face,
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Speaker 2: beat up, chubby ten year old girl crying, hateful person
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Speaker 2: that would even write this or think it. Chubby ten
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Speaker 2: year old girl crying, thirteen year old schoolgirl, age twelve child,
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Speaker 2: girl with blond hair, blue eyes, blonde hair girl, young
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Speaker 2: depressed ten girl, oil bodies, preteen girls with makeup, nude
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Speaker 2: slave girls, old janitor's blank little schoolgirl, crying girl painful,
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Speaker 2: blank schoolgirl crying, team porn. Can I stop? Now? That's
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Speaker 2: thirty entries.
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Speaker 3: Oh, you can stop, yep. And there's a clear pattern
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Speaker 3: this torture, porn, the tying up, the cutting off. We
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Speaker 3: know one victim for sure was dismembered. But when people
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Speaker 3: you know, post things and they say things like oh
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Speaker 3: I'm shocked, there would be this much that he would research.
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Speaker 3: I want to be perfectly clear, Nancy. You can be
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Speaker 3: a part time father, you can be a part time reporter,
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Speaker 3: you can be a part time preacher, but you cannot
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Speaker 3: be a part time pedophile. Part time rapist or part
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Speaker 3: time serial killer. That is what you do full time.
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Speaker 3: People say, well, his house doesn't look like an architect.
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Speaker 3: That's because he doesn't care about the house. He doesn't
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Speaker 3: care about the money. He doesn't care about cars. He
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Speaker 3: doesn't care about his wife, he doesn't care about his kids.
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Speaker 3: He cares about this. He researches it, he reads about it.
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Speaker 3: He fantasizes about it. He drives around hunting, He drives
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Speaker 3: around looking for the right victim. He makes phone calls,
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Speaker 3: he researches burner phones, he researches GPS, he uses the burlap.
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Speaker 3: He thinks he's done all these things. But this is
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Speaker 3: what he does every single day.
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Speaker 1: Time stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 2: I'm just thinking about what you said, Cheryl. You know
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Speaker 2: what I think about all the time. I think about
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Speaker 2: the twins, my children, and serving I saw homicides and
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Speaker 2: finding missing people. That's what I think about. I do
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Speaker 2: other things. I talk about the law. I cook special
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Speaker 2: dinners almost every night for the twins. I take care
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Speaker 2: of my mom. But the other thing is what I'm
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Speaker 2: thinking about all the time. If I think about, oh
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Speaker 2: what am I gonna make for suppering like it's about
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Speaker 2: what would the twins like. They just had their wisdom
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Speaker 2: to thought, what can they eat? What would appeal to them?
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Speaker 2: Or my mom what could she eat? She's so picky?
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Speaker 2: What would be good for All the time, that's every
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Speaker 2: other topic relates back to that, to that, and I
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Speaker 2: think absolutely.
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Speaker 3: Listen, you and I got together recently and it was
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Speaker 3: the twins and of course tuking Caroline, but you were
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Speaker 3: on your way to the store to get the meal print.
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Speaker 3: You were talking about not just they were starting high school,
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Speaker 3: but then you were talking about, you know, potential colleges
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Speaker 3: like you're now in the future. Every single thing we
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Speaker 3: did that day revolved around the twins or talking about
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Speaker 3: my children. We did a littlegating on the side, but
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Speaker 3: at the eight hours we were together, predominantly it was
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Speaker 3: our children. And that's what I'm telling you. When the
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Speaker 3: children are are not even with you, you're thinking about
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Speaker 3: what to feed them. Oh, I've got to get their
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Speaker 3: clothes ready. Oh I forgot to call the orthodonists. Like
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Speaker 3: you're doing things for them all the time. That is
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Speaker 3: this man. So instead of the twins, it's murder.
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Speaker 2: Can you even imagine performing these searches? Hey, I got
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Speaker 2: so much to talk to you about. Can we talk
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Speaker 2: for a moment about this idiot? Now, when I say that,
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Speaker 2: I know the guy is a very astute architect, so
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Speaker 2: he's not stupid. He's probably got a pretty high IQ.
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Speaker 2: But that said, I'm reading between the lines trying to
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Speaker 2: decipher everything we've learned so far. Do you think this
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Speaker 2: idiot and reminds a little bit of Coburger Brian Coburger
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Speaker 2: in Idaho? Did he actually travel with the burner phones
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Speaker 2: with his personal cell phone? Because you can I'm guessing
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Speaker 2: you can see him with like when you kidnap somebody
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Speaker 2: and everywhere your phone goes, their phone goes right.
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Speaker 3: Exactly the two.
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Speaker 2: Together. Do you understand the facts? They haven't come out
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Speaker 2: and said that yet, but that's how I understand the facts.
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Speaker 3: That's exactly how I understand it. And it makes sense
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Speaker 3: because he wouldn't have left one phone. He had to
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Speaker 3: have those in case his wife.
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Speaker 2: Called me up to seven.
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Speaker 3: Up to seven. And what we're understanding is most of
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Speaker 3: these crimes occurred when his wife and daughter were out of.
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Speaker 2: Town, which leads me to the point of did the
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Speaker 2: some at least some of the crimes occur at the
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Speaker 2: home because these were extended torture sessions where the victims
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Speaker 2: were bound gat tortured, rape, most likely repeatedly, and then killed,
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Speaker 2: then put in burlt bags and then discarded. Yeah, pretty
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Speaker 2: close to us, tithing about a twenty five minute drive,
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Speaker 2: So I don't see crimes that took that long occurring
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Speaker 2: in his Chevy Avalanche. Do you think they curd at
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Speaker 2: the home?
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Speaker 3: I do. And if you remember the first victim, Gilbert,
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Speaker 3: she was twenty four. Remember she had a driver, she
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Speaker 3: had a security person, but she called down one one
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Speaker 3: and she said, somebody's after me. She was at a residence,
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Speaker 3: I believe, and she even called her driver and said,
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Speaker 3: please come get me out of here. Mike. That's one
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Speaker 3: of the statements. But this whole thing is the stuff
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Speaker 3: of Nightmare's nancy, because if you want to know, if
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Speaker 3: police believe things happened at the house, they're digging up
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Speaker 3: the backyard, they're taking things out of the house that
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Speaker 3: just give you such a creepy deal. These dolls, that
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Speaker 3: doll that's encased in wooden and glass, little frame, and
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Speaker 3: now we've moved on to a stowage. So yeah, I
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Speaker 3: think this thing is going to get deeper and wider
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Speaker 3: and more twisted and darker as the days go.
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Speaker 2: Explain to me, you're the forensic expert, how you break
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Speaker 2: down a house like that.
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Speaker 3: You would literally have to go room for room and
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Speaker 3: take your time because you don't know where something is
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Speaker 3: relevant for him. So again, I don't know why the
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Speaker 3: doll is relevant, but I know they took it, and
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Speaker 3: I know what it did for me when I saw it,
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Speaker 3: because I know some dolls were left at some of
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Speaker 3: the scenes where bodies were recovered. So I don't know
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Speaker 3: if that's his thing. I don't know if he took
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Speaker 3: something off each victim and put it on that doll.
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Speaker 3: I don't know if that's something his mom had he
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Speaker 3: just kept it. I just know it looks really creepy
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Speaker 3: and it looks sinister to me. And again, law enforcement
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Speaker 3: took it. But you would start literally with that front door,
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Speaker 3: whatever room you're in, and I would go for the
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Speaker 3: living room. What's on the walls, what's the side tables,
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Speaker 3: what's on the TV, where's the computer? Look at his
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Speaker 3: you know the way he's got things set up. Is
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Speaker 3: there a freezer? Is there anything in the basement. He's
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Speaker 3: got a shed that he called in one video he's
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Speaker 3: being interviewed. He talks about like a little work station,
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Speaker 3: work shed. I would go through that like a crazy person,
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Speaker 3: because he talks about hammer, and you know there's gonna
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Speaker 3: be other tools in there. The one victim that was dismembered.
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Speaker 3: Is there anything in there like a circular saw or
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Speaker 3: anything that would make that job easier. Does he have knives?
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Speaker 3: You're going to look at drawings, You're going to look
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Speaker 3: at writings, or going to look at things that he collected.
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Speaker 3: Is there any jewelry that's not in his wife's jewelry
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Speaker 3: box that made get a cigar box on his side
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Speaker 3: of the bedroom. I would go through every single solitary thing.
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Speaker 3: I wouldn't miss nothing.
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Speaker 2: Another issue, did he take items from the victims of
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Speaker 2: seven years? And I'll tell you why. I think it's
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Speaker 2: entirely possible. Number one, that is a really textbook sign
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Speaker 2: of a serial killer. Like I scrapbook for the twins.
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Speaker 2: I may take ticket, stoves or a menu or something
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Speaker 2: to remind me and put it with pictures. That's how
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Speaker 2: serial killers and other killers act. There were several victims
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Speaker 2: that had jewelry missing, items that they always wore were gone,
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Speaker 2: And I want to harken back to a particular phone
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Speaker 2: call that I believe this Pert rex Hureman made one
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Speaker 2: of the victims. A man used the victim's phone to
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Speaker 2: call the victims sister. So use her phone. So the
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Speaker 2: sister thinks, oh, my star, she's okay. She's called me
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Speaker 2: from her phone. On phone caller, I d she picks up.
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Speaker 2: It's a man that starts asking questions about her, and
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Speaker 2: he then says I raped her before I murdered her.
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Speaker 2: That was very amateur. It was basically an evil, hateful
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Speaker 2: prank call. So if he would do that, that leads
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Speaker 2: me to believe he would do other similar acts like
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Speaker 2: keep souvenirs.
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Speaker 3: I agree. He also made a mistake when he left
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Speaker 3: the belt that possibly belonged to his grandfather. I thought
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Speaker 3: a while back that belt was going to be what
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Speaker 3: broke this case. I thought it was going to have
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Speaker 3: the suspects VNA on that, and I thought somebody was
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Speaker 3: going to recognize that belt, for example, a wife or
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Speaker 3: a girlfriend or a sibling, that somebody would know that belt.
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Speaker 3: I still find it odd that nobody said anything about it,
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Speaker 3: but I think maybe that'll come later. But I think
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Speaker 3: it's important again, that the jewelry, anything that's missing from
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Speaker 3: those victims, anything that they can now say, we found
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Speaker 3: this in the home in an unusual place, and they
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Speaker 3: should put it out there for people to say, I
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Speaker 3: know that or I recognize this, especially family member.
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Speaker 2: A cooler was removed from his home at a doll
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Speaker 2: as you hear Cheryl describe me in case in a
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Speaker 2: glass case was removed from his home. We don't know
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Speaker 2: what else has been removed exactly. Many of the bags
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Speaker 2: were opaque, so we couldn't see into what was being
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Speaker 2: taken out. But we also know that his office was rated,
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Speaker 2: and I guarantee his office is going to yield something
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Speaker 2: that because that's what he would keep away from his wife.
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Speaker 2: Although his daughter did work for him, the wife would
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Speaker 2: see things that the daughter may not see. What do
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Speaker 2: you make of that?
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Speaker 3: I think the office again is where most people spend
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Speaker 3: the majority of their week. What's going to be there
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Speaker 3: is going to be what he spends the majority of
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Speaker 3: his time doing, which again being a predator, researching, gathering
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Speaker 3: the burner phones, when he decides to go where how
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Speaker 3: many he decides to buy? The other thing that I
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Speaker 3: think is going to be in there in that office
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Speaker 3: is a money trail. And what I mean by that
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Speaker 3: is there may be hotel rooms, there may be other
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Speaker 3: storage units, there could be things that he's paying for
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Speaker 3: that his wife has no idea about. So I think
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Speaker 3: that's going to become something that I'm interested in. This
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Speaker 3: thing again, Nancy, it is so much wider and it
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Speaker 3: is so much deeper than we know now. Anywhere he traveled,
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Speaker 3: anywhere he spent a significant amount of time. Again, you
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Speaker 3: are not a part time serial killer. So if you
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Speaker 3: spend a lot of time in South Carolina or Rhode
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Speaker 3: Island or Massachusetts, I would concentrate on all of those places.
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Speaker 2: Occurred when his wife was out of town.
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Speaker 3: Absolutely, And now that we've got his face, you're going
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Speaker 3: to have more people of contact law enforcement going. He
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Speaker 3: approached me in a parking lot because let me tell
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Speaker 3: you something about this person. Just like Ted Bundy, he
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Speaker 3: didn't kill everybody he engaged with. Some of this was
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Speaker 3: a cat and mouth that was fun to him. He
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Speaker 3: liked to upset people, he liked to see people nervous
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Speaker 3: and scared, but he didn't kill every one of them.
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Speaker 3: But they're going to come forward too, because they've had
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Speaker 3: interaction with this person and can put him at places
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Speaker 3: and times and behavior.
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Speaker 1: Time stories with Nancy Grace.
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Speaker 2: Another interesting thing that was taken out of his home
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Speaker 2: is the cat scratch pole. I find that really interesting.
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Speaker 2: I'm wondering if cat here was found on any of
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Speaker 2: the victtoms. We know that he was married during the
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Speaker 2: time many of these people, many of the victims were killed,
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Speaker 2: that his wife and family were gone out of state
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Speaker 2: when some of the murders occurred. That makes me wonder
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Speaker 2: if somehow more hair wasn't transferred. We know his wife's
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Speaker 2: hair was transferred. Three of her hairs were found on
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Speaker 2: three victims. One of his hairs, according to police, is
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Speaker 2: found at the bottom of one of these burlap bags.
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Speaker 2: I'm really curious about taking the cat scratch pole, the cooler,
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Speaker 2: other items. And another issue, what do you make the
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Speaker 2: Chevy Avalanche. I can't believe one of the victims was
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Speaker 2: seen with a guy who had a Chevy Avalanche at her.
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Speaker 2: Here's his Chevy Avalanche, which, as you know, I pointed out,
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Speaker 2: was discontinued manufacture in twenty thirteen. But yet he has
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Speaker 2: a Chevy Avalanche today. It was just towed out from
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Speaker 2: in front of his place. I think another family member
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Speaker 2: has a Chevy Avalanche. Could it be the same one?
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Speaker 2: I mean, they haven't been made since twenty thirteen.
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Speaker 3: What an incredible eyewitness to not only recognize as a
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Speaker 3: Chevy Avalanche, but to know it's the first generation and
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Speaker 3: the color. So to me, again, that vehicle is going
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Speaker 3: to be a money tree because again, this is a person.
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Speaker 3: If you look at the Lockhart principle, transferred hair from
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Speaker 3: his home to his person to the victim the scene.
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Speaker 3: So you've got number one, an incredible prom seed investigator
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Speaker 3: that found one hair. Brilliant. Now you've got this connection
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Speaker 3: to a home to a person to a crom scene.
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Speaker 3: They're going to be able to do the same thing
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Speaker 3: the truck, from the truck to the person to the
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Speaker 3: crown thing.
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Speaker 2: What about you know, notice all these victims twenty four,
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Speaker 2: twenty five, twenty two, twenty seven, twenty twenty four. The
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Speaker 2: mail was between seventeen and twenty three at the time.
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Speaker 2: In the last weeks, another woman comes forward and she
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Speaker 2: filed a police report at the time about this perp
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Speaker 2: approaching or sneaking up on her at a park, coming
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Speaker 2: up behind her and asking about her boyfriend. The fact
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Speaker 2: that she told other people about it that it's an
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Speaker 2: outcry at the time contemporaneously with the incident. She's not
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Speaker 2: just making this up now, she verified it. She authenticated
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Speaker 2: it at the time. It's this guy coming up and
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Speaker 2: asking her very personal questions. Again, it reminds me of
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Speaker 2: Coburger Cheryl. You know, he would come up to women
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Speaker 2: at bars, bars he was later kicked out and say
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Speaker 2: things like, Hey, what's your home addressing phone number? I
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Speaker 2: would run for the hills as if I had seen
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Speaker 2: a monster. If a guy came up and wanted to know,
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Speaker 2: you know, what's the making all of your car? Where
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Speaker 2: do you live, what's your address? What's your friend? No,
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Speaker 2: that's weird, just like this, And this woman actually has
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Speaker 2: identified Rex Chuermann as being the guy.
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Speaker 3: Well, here's what we've got to remember. You've got somebody
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Speaker 3: like Ted Bundy that also killed a twelve year old.
23:30
Speaker 3: This guy is a sexual pervert. So the Asian male
23:35
Speaker 3: could have been a witness that he had to get
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Speaker 3: rid of, or it could have been something he was
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Speaker 3: just again his fantasy he was playing with. So there's
23:44
Speaker 3: going to be I'm telling you more people that come
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Speaker 3: forward like this woman he approached probably hundreds of people
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Speaker 3: over the years, conservatively just messing with him, Nancy, just
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Speaker 3: to watch the reaction, to say say something personal, to
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Speaker 3: say something inappropriate. Once he got that reaction, he just
24:04
Speaker 3: giggled and walked off. That's just he just had fun.
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Speaker 3: And I'm telling you, I guarantee the phone ringing right now.
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Speaker 2: With people that have those stories about him. This was
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Speaker 2: on July the third, which means he's still up to
24:18
Speaker 2: the same thing. The woman says, quote. The first time
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Speaker 2: he came up behind me, I felt like breathing behind me.
24:26
Speaker 2: Then he asked me what time I was, and he
24:29
Speaker 2: saw a picture of me and my boyfriend on my phone,
24:32
Speaker 2: so started asking questions. He came up to her more
24:36
Speaker 2: than once at Brady Park. That's when I got my
24:40
Speaker 2: sister on the phone because I was scared nervous. She
24:43
Speaker 2: had to come pick me up. I couldn't even go
24:45
Speaker 2: home from my bike ride, and she filed a police
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Speaker 2: report about the encounter. That's July three, Okay. Couple that,
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Speaker 2: Cheryl McCollum with that. In twenty twenty three, he's back
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Speaker 2: at a cell phone store buying more minutes for his
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Speaker 2: burner phone. As I told my husband last night, man
25:04
Speaker 2: gets a burner phone, wife gets a lawyer. If my
25:07
Speaker 2: husband popped up with a burner phone, bye bye? Why
25:11
Speaker 2: do he mean? Not one but seven burner phones that
25:14
Speaker 2: we know of? And this year I want to be back.
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Speaker 3: Adding minutes, somebody asked me, what do you think you've
25:21
Speaker 3: been doing since twenty ten? And I said, I do
25:25
Speaker 3: not think he has stopped at all.
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Speaker 2: And where are the bodies? As soon as these bodies
25:32
Speaker 2: started being discovered, I think he moved to a new
25:34
Speaker 2: dumping ground.
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Speaker 3: I believe so too, because again, he's watching the news.
25:39
Speaker 3: This is what he does full time. So you remember
25:41
Speaker 3: Wayne Williams. They came out and said, hey, we've got
25:44
Speaker 3: forendsic evidence on the body. Suddenly the next victims were
25:47
Speaker 3: thrown in the river. This guy's watching the news. So
25:51
Speaker 3: as soon as they find you know, Gilbert and the
25:53
Speaker 3: other ten people along that beachline, I'm certain he moved.
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Speaker 3: There's no doubt in.
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Speaker 2: My of course he did. But where and again when
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Speaker 2: his wife was gone, when he would have the home
26:09
Speaker 2: to himself, she's icelandic Does she travel back home to Iceland?
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Speaker 2: Because that would give.
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Speaker 3: Him period of time?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, Cheryl, What else do you expect we will
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Speaker 2: discover about the evidence.
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Speaker 3: I think there's going to be more forensic evidence that
26:29
Speaker 3: we now are going to be able to understand where
26:31
Speaker 3: it came from, whether it's you know, computer information, cell
26:36
Speaker 3: phone pinging information, or things like you mentioned the cat hair.
26:41
Speaker 3: There's no way there's there not cat hair on their sofa.
26:45
Speaker 3: So when he sat down and leaned back and then
26:47
Speaker 3: got into his truck and then got to the victim,
26:50
Speaker 3: that there's not cat hair transferred. So we're going to
26:54
Speaker 3: have that come out, and that's going to make much
26:56
Speaker 3: more sense now. And once they get, you know, that
26:59
Speaker 3: hair live, they can prove it's not just a feline,
27:03
Speaker 3: it's the same feeline.
27:05
Speaker 2: You know, You're right, schrelmclum. You know, I'm always been
27:08
Speaker 2: a dog person. Didn't really like cats until I took
27:11
Speaker 2: an astray when I was an assistant district attorney. Nobody
27:15
Speaker 2: else would take I tried to push it off on
27:17
Speaker 2: other people, nobody would take it. That cat ran my
27:20
Speaker 2: life for the next eighteen years. Coco solid black male,
27:25
Speaker 2: love the cat. I became a cat person and a
27:27
Speaker 2: dog person. I now have another cat. Lucy wanted. I
27:32
Speaker 2: thought giving her a cat would cure her of her
27:34
Speaker 2: obsessive watching cat videos. Cinnamon she named it. I can't
27:40
Speaker 2: go anywhere without being covered in cat here. I don't care.
27:44
Speaker 2: And now we have the guineas and the dog. The
27:47
Speaker 2: other day David said, what is all over you? I
27:49
Speaker 2: want you know what? Honestly, I do not know. You'd
27:52
Speaker 2: have to take this to the crime rapt and figure
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Speaker 2: out what.
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Speaker 3: Let me just tell people for the record, you vague
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Speaker 3: every day, and still there's gonna be evidence that you
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Speaker 3: have a cat.
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Speaker 2: Only the twins room so they do not inhale all
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Speaker 2: that into their little bitty bodies. Okay, the rest of
28:13
Speaker 2: us can just go straight to aj do. But yes,
28:17
Speaker 2: I do. Yes, I'm constantly cleaning something that an animal
28:21
Speaker 2: did but might point back to you. You know, if
28:25
Speaker 2: he had a cat, it's all over him.
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Speaker 3: Yep.
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Speaker 2: He can even hate the cat, never even pet the cat,
28:33
Speaker 2: He'll still be covered in cat here. I don't know
28:35
Speaker 2: how it happens. You have to ask of that about that,
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Speaker 2: Cheryl McCollum. I can't wait to see the evidence unfold. Sadly,
28:44
Speaker 2: there is no death penalty in New York.
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Speaker 3: Unbelievable police work from that task for as unbelievable own
28:51
Speaker 3: scene from the crime scene, man.
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Speaker 2: You know it. And as far as punishment, I guess,
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Speaker 2: I guess we'll have to leave that to the Lord, right. Absolutely,
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Speaker 2: I can't wait for this avenuence to unfold. Cheryl McCollum,
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Speaker 2: thank you.