Latest / Crime Night / The Fugitive Father: Nine Years, Two Massacres, and the Death Row Killer Who Vanished and Returned
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- 0:00Speaker 1: Okay, let's dive in. We're going back to Cairo, specifically
- 0:02Speaker 1: the Sharuk district. It's Sunday morning, September ninth, twenty eighteen.
- 0:06Speaker 2: Right, and the day starts with just chaos. Emergency calls
- 0:10Speaker 2: flooding in, reports of a mass killing inside an apartment.
- 0:13Speaker 1: Something that immediately just sounds awful. Security forces arrive, They
- 0:17Speaker 1: enter the apartment and what they find is, well, it's
- 0:20Speaker 1: unimaginable horror.
- 0:22Speaker 2: Absolutely inside the bodies of a young mother, Manal. She
- 0:26Speaker 2: was only twenty seven, and her four children, all very young.
- 0:30Speaker 1: Four kids. Hold were they?
- 0:31Speaker 2: The oldest Usaying was seven, then mamod Doa and the
- 0:36Speaker 2: youngest Honeen just two years old.
- 0:38Speaker 1: Two years old? Oh ma? And the scene itself, how
- 0:41Speaker 1: are they?
- 0:42Speaker 2: It was brutal. The findings pointed to slaughtering. Their heads
- 0:45Speaker 2: were completely severed from their bodies.
- 0:47Speaker 1: Ever good grief. That points to incredible rage, right, something
- 0:50Speaker 1: deeply personal?
- 0:51Speaker 2: You think, so, yes, visceral anger. But then you look
- 0:53Speaker 2: at the apartment itself, and that's where things get weird.
- 0:56Speaker 2: How so, Well, there was no sign of a break
- 0:59Speaker 2: in at all, doors, intack windows, fine, nothing suggested a
- 1:03Speaker 2: struggle to get in okay.
- 1:04Speaker 1: So not a robbery gone bat, not some random attack
- 1:07Speaker 1: or off the street exactly.
- 1:09Speaker 2: It screams that the killer was someone known to the family,
- 1:13Speaker 2: someone they trusted enough to let inside, or well, someone
- 1:16Speaker 2: who already lived there.
- 1:17Speaker 1: Which naturally brings everyone's attention to the father. Yeah, the
- 1:21Speaker 1: man the community knew as Ahmed Abu Jabal.
- 1:24Speaker 2: And he's nowhere to be found, vanished, completely gone.
- 1:28Speaker 1: What did the neighbors say, I mean, they must have known.
- 1:30Speaker 2: The family, they did, and they were just stunned, couldn't
- 1:33Speaker 2: believe it. They all described this Amed Abu Jabal as
- 1:36Speaker 2: you know, quiet, very respectable, kept to himself, focused.
- 1:40Speaker 1: On his work, so the opposite of someone you'd suspect
- 1:43Speaker 1: of this level of violence.
- 1:45Speaker 2: Precisely, the picture they painted just didn't match the crime
- 1:48Speaker 2: scene at all. It was baffling.
- 1:49Speaker 1: So the police put out an alert circulate his photo,
- 1:53Speaker 1: standard procedure when someone's missing from a scene like this, right.
- 1:56Speaker 2: His picture goes out to the media, to other police departments,
- 1:59Speaker 2: and that single photo, that face. Yeah, that's the moment
- 2:03Speaker 2: this whole case cracks wide open, because it turns out
- 2:06Speaker 2: they weren't just looking for a missing father from Shroke
- 2:08Speaker 2: they were actually hunting a ghost from nearly a decade before. Okay,
- 2:14Speaker 2: let's unpack this because it gets wild.
- 2:16Speaker 1: A ghost Okay, I'm hooked. So the photo goes.
- 2:18Speaker 2: Public and a journalist, Sammy Abdelradi, sees it. Now, this
- 2:22Speaker 2: guy's a veteran crime reporter. He knows the major cases,
- 2:25Speaker 2: the faces.
- 2:26Speaker 1: And he recognizes AHMEDA Bujabal.
- 2:28Speaker 2: He doesn't just recognize him, He's certain, He says, I've
- 2:31Speaker 2: interviewed this man years ago after another horrific crime.
- 2:36Speaker 1: Wait interviewed him, so Ahmed Abujabal from Minya. The Quiet
- 2:39Speaker 1: Trader is.
- 2:40Speaker 2: Not Ameda Abujabal at all. His real name is Karam
- 2:42Speaker 2: Mohammed abdel Radi, And years earlier, back in two thousand
- 2:46Speaker 2: and nine, he'd been convicted of murder in Sohag, convicted
- 2:49Speaker 2: of murder and sentenced to death.
- 2:50Speaker 1: Sent since the death Okay, hold on. If he was
- 2:52Speaker 1: convicted sences to death, presumably imprisoned back in two thousand
- 2:56Speaker 1: and nine, how on earth is he living a quiet
- 2:58Speaker 1: life in shroud in twenty eighteen.
- 3:00Speaker 2: That's the million dollar question, isn't it. How did he escape?
- 3:03Speaker 2: How did he build this entirely new identity, new family,
- 3:06Speaker 2: everything right under everyone's noses, while technically being a fugitive
- 3:10Speaker 2: on death row.
- 3:11Speaker 1: This is wow. Okay. To figure out the twenty eighteen horror,
- 3:15Speaker 1: we need to understand the first one. Let's go back
- 3:17Speaker 1: nine years earlier.
- 3:19Speaker 2: Exactly back two thousand and nine. Meet the original Karam
- 3:22Speaker 2: Mohammed abdel Reddy. Grew up in Sohag, wasn't great academically,
- 3:27Speaker 2: but ambitious, moved to Cairo, got into real estate brokerage.
- 3:30Speaker 2: By two thousand and four, he's sort of set up
- 3:32Speaker 2: in Giza.
- 3:33Speaker 1: Okay, so a regular guy trying to make it. What
- 3:35Speaker 1: led to the first.
- 3:36Speaker 2: Murder money classic motive, right, He had a business partner,
- 3:41Speaker 2: also a friend. Apparently Karam believed the partner was cheating
- 3:45Speaker 2: him out of his commission, his somsara, his share of
- 3:47Speaker 2: the deals right, and Karam felt wronged keeple but he
- 3:51Speaker 2: didn't just argue or sue. He decided to take his
- 3:54Speaker 2: share his way.
- 3:55Speaker 1: And this is where the planning comes in.
- 3:57Speaker 2: Meticulous planning. And here's the first really chilling detail for you.
- 4:00Speaker 2: That thread we need to follow. The date he chose
- 4:02Speaker 2: September ninth, two thousand and nine.
- 4:04Speaker 1: September ninth, the exact same date as a shrug masker,
- 4:07Speaker 1: just nine years earlier.
- 4:08Speaker 2: To the day. It's uncanny. So he buys his tools,
- 4:11Speaker 2: a new cleaver set tour and a knife, black plastic
- 4:13Speaker 2: bags tools. Yeah.
- 4:15Speaker 1: Man.
- 4:15Speaker 2: He gets his friend to his place just before if
- 4:17Speaker 2: tar sunset during Ramadan, and then he attacks him with
- 4:21Speaker 2: the cleaver head chest until he's dead.
- 4:24Speaker 1: Just brutal. But the story doesn't end there, does it.
- 4:27Speaker 2: No, This is where you see that signature cruelty, that detachment.
- 4:32Speaker 2: He drags the body near the bathroom and he dismembers it,
- 4:36Speaker 2: cuts it into many pieces ashlck they called it.
- 4:39Speaker 1: Dismembers his own friend, puts.
- 4:40Speaker 2: The pieces in the black plastic bags, seals them up
- 4:43Speaker 2: inside a big travel suitcase.
- 4:44Speaker 1: And then what panic flight.
- 4:47Speaker 2: Nothing like that. He paints over the blood stains on
- 4:49Speaker 2: the wall, changes his clothes, and then he goes and
- 4:52Speaker 2: sits calmly at a coffee shop.
- 4:53Speaker 3: Call me after that, completely calm, reportedly, just sat there
- 4:57Speaker 3: thinking about how he'd been wrong, feeling totally just no remorse,
- 5:01Speaker 3: no regret, like it was just settling a business dispute.
- 5:04Speaker 1: That level of detachment is terrifying, it really is.
- 5:07Speaker 2: Later, around three am, he gets a taxi dumps the
- 5:10Speaker 2: suitcase with the remains at a trash heap somewhere, then
- 5:13Speaker 2: hops on train number nineteen oh two heading back home
- 5:16Speaker 2: to so Hag.
- 5:17Speaker 1: He must have find have gotten away with it.
- 5:19Speaker 2: Maybe for a moment, but he was caught within days
- 5:21Speaker 2: back in so Hag.
- 5:22Speaker 1: And that's when the journalist interviewed him, Sammy abdel Rady.
- 5:25Speaker 2: That's right, and Karam apparently recounted the whole thing, the motive,
- 5:29Speaker 2: the planning, the murder, the dismemberment, the disposal, with that
- 5:32Speaker 2: same unnerving calmness, just laying it out like it was ordinary.
- 5:36Speaker 1: Like describing his day at the office pretty much.
- 5:39Speaker 2: That complete lack of reaction to extreme violence, that's key
- 5:43Speaker 2: to understanding him. It's why he got the death sentence
- 5:45Speaker 2: so quickly.
- 5:46Speaker 1: Okay, so death sentence confirmed in two thousand and nine.
- 5:49Speaker 1: Fast forward again, how does he get out?
- 5:52Speaker 2: Twenty eleven? The Egyptian Revolution, the January events, Remember the
- 5:57Speaker 2: widespread chaos.
- 5:58Speaker 1: Us of upheaval. Prisons were affected, weren't they hugely?
- 6:01Speaker 2: There was the infamous storming of the prisons. Security broke down,
- 6:05Speaker 2: records were lost, invates escaped, and in that chaos, Kurem
- 6:09Speaker 2: Mohammad Abd al Radi walked free from his death.
- 6:11Speaker 1: Sence, just walked out. How did he manage to actually
- 6:14Speaker 1: get away?
- 6:15Speaker 2: Blend in his immediate move was smart in a way.
- 6:18Speaker 2: He got hold of a nikab, the full face veil.
- 6:21Speaker 1: Allowing him to travel completely anonymously.
- 6:24Speaker 2: Exactly. He travels back to Sohag disguise like that and
- 6:28Speaker 2: get this, his original family, his wife and kids back there.
- 6:32Speaker 2: They welcome him with open arms.
- 6:34Speaker 1: They thought he was released legitimately.
- 6:35Speaker 2: They genuinely believed, or perhaps wanted to believe that the
- 6:39Speaker 2: chaos and maybe lost paperwork meant he was legally out.
- 6:43Speaker 2: He lays low for a bit, works out in the
- 6:45Speaker 2: mountains near Sohag, stays hidden.
- 6:47Speaker 1: But he must have known they'd look for him eventually,
- 6:49Speaker 1: especially a death row escaping.
- 6:51Speaker 2: Oh for sure, Staying in sohaw wasn't a long term plan.
- 6:54Speaker 2: He figured correctly, probably that the authorities wouldn't expect him
- 6:57Speaker 2: to hide in plain sight. So in twenty twelve, he
- 7:01Speaker 2: makes his move back to the crowds, back to Kayeragiza,
- 7:04Speaker 2: the most crowded place he could find, and this is
- 7:06Speaker 2: where he performs the ultimate vanishing act. He sheds Karam
- 7:10Speaker 2: Mohammed abdel Raddi completely and becomes Ahmed Abujabal.
- 7:14Speaker 1: Just like that buys fake id.
- 7:15Speaker 2: It's even more audacious. He meets Manal, the woman he'd
- 7:18Speaker 2: eventually kill. Yeah, here's the gamble he took. On the
- 7:23Speaker 2: official marriage documents. He actually uses his real name, Karam
- 7:27Speaker 2: Mohamed abdel Rady.
- 7:28Speaker 1: He used his real name while being a wanted fugitive.
- 7:33Speaker 2: Why he was banking entirely on the continued bureaucratic chaos
- 7:38Speaker 2: that the paperwork wouldn't be properly checked, wouldn't be cross
- 7:41Speaker 2: referenced with fugitive lists from years ago. He told Manal
- 7:45Speaker 2: that Ahmed abu Jabal was just a nickname common in
- 7:48Speaker 2: Upper Egypt, where he claimed to.
- 7:49Speaker 1: Be from, and she believed him.
- 7:50Speaker 2: Apparently so to her, he presented as this quiet, respectful trader,
- 7:56Speaker 2: maybe a bit traditional. She didn't question the nickname story.
- 7:59Speaker 2: She likely had no reason to suspect the man she
- 8:01Speaker 2: was marrying was an escaped murderer, so for six years.
- 8:04Speaker 1: This lie holds. They have four children together. They moved
- 8:08Speaker 1: to the Schroke District in twenty sixteen. He's Ahmed abu
- 8:11Speaker 1: Jabal family man, undetected It's.
- 8:13Speaker 2: An incredible deception. He literally buried a death sentence under
- 8:16Speaker 2: a new identity and a growing family.
- 8:18Speaker 1: But you said it yourself. The underlying issues, the pathology,
- 8:21Speaker 1: he couldn't stay buried forever. What triggered the breakdown in
- 8:24Speaker 1: twenty eighteen suspicion jealousy.
- 8:27Speaker 2: He became convinced that his new business partner, a man
- 8:30Speaker 2: named Uda, was having an affair.
- 8:31Speaker 1: With Manal, his wife. Okay, so paranoia starts creeping in
- 8:34Speaker 1: big time.
- 8:35Speaker 2: It leads to a massive argument between Karam and Menal,
- 8:39Speaker 2: and during this fight, Manal does something. She slaps him
- 8:43Speaker 2: hard across.
- 8:44Speaker 4: The face, a slap. Given his history, his reaction probably
- 8:48Speaker 4: wasn't just anger, not even close. For Karam, that slap
- 8:51Speaker 4: seems to have flipped a switch. It was an intolerable offense.
- 8:55Speaker 4: It reset him right back to that two thousand and
- 8:57Speaker 4: nine mindset.
- 8:58Speaker 1: What did he do immediately?
- 8:59Speaker 2: He formally divorced her, just like that. But then the
- 9:01Speaker 2: neighbors intervened.
- 9:03Speaker 1: The same neighbors who thought he was so respectable.
- 9:05Speaker 2: Exactly, they saw this seemingly stable family falling apart. Worried
- 9:09Speaker 2: about the four little kids, they mediate talk to Kurham
- 9:12Speaker 2: convince him to take Manal back to reconcile for the
- 9:15Speaker 2: sake of the children.
- 9:16Speaker 1: And he agreed.
- 9:17Speaker 2: He agreed, But that reconciliation, it was purely tactical, a facade.
- 9:22Speaker 2: In his mind, the slap demanded revenge, ultimate revenge, not
- 9:25Speaker 2: just against Manels, against Minaal, all four of their children.
- 9:28Speaker 2: He decided they all had to die.
- 9:30Speaker 1: My God, the planning started again.
- 9:32Speaker 2: Oh yes, that meticulous cold planning kicked right back in.
- 9:36Speaker 2: He went to a pharmacy, bought a large quantity of
- 9:38Speaker 2: sleeping pills.
- 9:39Speaker 1: Sleeping pills.
- 9:40Speaker 2: He crushed them up and mixed them into the apartment's
- 9:43Speaker 2: water cooler, the big communal jug everyone drank from. He
- 9:46Speaker 2: made sure they'd all ingest it, ensuring they'd be groggy, compliant.
- 9:51Speaker 1: Silent, calculated, ensuring no resistance.
- 9:53Speaker 2: Precisely, and then comes the date. He waits. He waits
- 9:57Speaker 2: until two am on the morning.
- 9:59Speaker 1: Of September ninth, twenty eighteen.
- 10:01Speaker 2: The exact nine year anniversary of the first murder. He
- 10:05Speaker 2: enters the room where they're sleeping, likely already sedated.
- 10:07Speaker 1: He has a knife, ann he repeats the act.
- 10:09Speaker 2: He kills man All, first severs her head. Then he
- 10:12Speaker 2: goes to each child. Hussein Mamoo dea little hanein and
- 10:17Speaker 2: does the same thing, one by one.
- 10:19Speaker 1: Repeating the exact method on his own children. It's yeah,
- 10:22Speaker 1: there are no words.
- 10:23Speaker 2: It's the ritualistic nature of it, the date, the method.
- 10:26Speaker 2: It wasn't just rage. It feels like something deeply ingrained,
- 10:28Speaker 2: a pattern he had to follow, revenge and control executed
- 10:32Speaker 2: with chilling precision. He was making history repeat itself perfectly.
- 10:36Speaker 1: What did he do after after it was done?
- 10:38Speaker 2: His first act was a phone call. He called UDA's sister,
- 10:41Speaker 2: the partner he suspected. He told her what he'd done,
- 10:44Speaker 2: that he'd killed Manoal and the kids, and he threatened
- 10:46Speaker 2: Udah two so.
- 10:47Speaker 1: Udah's sister is the one who alerted the police.
- 10:49Speaker 2: She was She called them immediately. Meanwhile, Karen is already
- 10:53Speaker 2: shifting into escape mode. He puts on the Nicabagan, same.
- 10:57Speaker 1: Disguise and heads for the train station.
- 10:59Speaker 2: Straight for the train station, same plan as two thousand
- 11:02Speaker 2: and nine, head back down south to Sohag. He must
- 11:05Speaker 2: have genuinely believed he could vanish again, just like before.
- 11:08Speaker 1: Nine years of freedom must have made him feel invincible, maybe.
- 11:11Speaker 2: Perhaps, But this time he made a mistake, a small
- 11:14Speaker 2: one but critical. While he was on the train heading south.
- 11:18Speaker 1: What did he do?
- 11:19Speaker 2: He made another phone call. He called a shop owner
- 11:22Speaker 2: he knew back in Schroke. He pretended to be worried,
- 11:25Speaker 2: saying he couldn't reach his family, asking if the shop
- 11:27Speaker 2: owner had seen them, trying to create an alibi, a
- 11:31Speaker 2: false timeline, okay, trying to cover his tracks by but
- 11:34Speaker 2: just by pure chance. A police officer happened to be
- 11:37Speaker 2: standing right there next to the shop owner when the.
- 11:39Speaker 1: Call came in no way, pure.
- 11:41Speaker 2: Luck, incredible luck. The officer immediately realized what this could be.
- 11:46Speaker 2: He told the shopowner, keep him talking, keep him.
- 11:49Speaker 1: On the line long enough to trace the call exactly.
- 11:51Speaker 2: They triangulated the signal, got the co ordinance, realized he
- 11:55Speaker 2: was on a train heading south, same route as before.
- 11:58Speaker 1: They knew where he was going, they knew his.
- 12:00Speaker 2: Police intercepted the train and Karam Mohammad Abdul Radi was arrested,
- 12:05Speaker 2: still wearing the nikob, just before he could reach his
- 12:08Speaker 2: village in Solhag and disappear again.
- 12:10Speaker 1: Wow, caught by a chance encounter and a phone call
- 12:14Speaker 1: after everything.
- 12:15Speaker 2: It's often the small mistakes, isn't it? Yeah, So let's
- 12:17Speaker 2: just recap this whole twisted cycle for you. Eight years
- 12:20Speaker 2: is a fugitive escaping a death sentence.
- 12:22Speaker 1: Build a whole new life, new family, seems normal, respectable.
- 12:26Speaker 2: Then trigger event the slap. First crime September ninth, two
- 12:29Speaker 2: thousand and nine, second crime September ninth, twenty eighteen, nine
- 12:33Speaker 2: years apart to the day.
- 12:34Speaker 1: Both involving extreme ritualistic violence, dismemberment in the first, decapitation
- 12:40Speaker 1: in the second.
- 12:40Speaker 2: Both escape attempts involved the same disguised Nikob and the
- 12:43Speaker 2: same route that trains south to Sohak.
- 12:45Speaker 1: And that chilling calmness. He showed it again when talked
- 12:48Speaker 1: about killing his wife and four.
- 12:50Speaker 2: Children, exactly the same, that profound lack of emotional response.
- 12:53Speaker 2: It's the constant thread through both horrific events.
- 12:57Speaker 1: So he was convicted again, obviously a death sense.
- 13:01Speaker 2: Yes, convicted for the Schroke massacre. Sentenced to death again,
- 13:04Speaker 2: essentially adding it to the outstanding sentence he'd already escaped.
- 13:08Speaker 2: So what does this all really mean when you step back.
- 13:12Speaker 1: Well, I mean the repetition is just staggering, the date,
- 13:15Speaker 1: the method, the escape. It's like he was compelled to
- 13:18Speaker 1: replay it.
- 13:18Speaker 2: I think that's the core takeaway here. He spent nearly
- 13:21Speaker 2: a decade building this elaborate facade, this entire second chance
- 13:25Speaker 2: at life, fatherhood, community, respectability. But underneath that fundamental psychological wiring,
- 13:32Speaker 2: it didn't change one bit.
- 13:33Speaker 1: The capacity for that kind of cold, calculated extreme violence
- 13:37Speaker 1: was just dormant, waiting.
- 13:39Speaker 2: Exactly the lengths he went to create Ahmed agu Jabal
- 13:42Speaker 2: did absolutely nothing to alter the core pathology of Kuramhamed Abdelrady.
- 13:47Speaker 2: It suggests this terrifying level of detachment.
- 13:50Speaker 1: It makes you wonder, doesn't it. Years of living normally,
- 13:53Speaker 1: raising children, you'd think that would change a person, But
- 13:56Speaker 1: for him, it seems like it was all just a
- 13:58Speaker 1: role he.
- 13:58Speaker 2: Was playing, And when the script demanded violence, he reverted
- 14:02Speaker 2: to the original character, the original plot, right down to
- 14:04Speaker 2: the specific date on the calendar. What does that truly
- 14:07Speaker 2: say about someone when their history repeats itself with such
- 14:10Speaker 2: horrifying precision. What's going on inside of mind that feels
- 14:14Speaker 2: no remorse, only the need to follow its own brutal ritual.
- 14:17Speaker 2: That's something to really think about.