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Evaluating What's Around Titans QB Cam Ward, Could Derrick Henry Be The Best RB Ever?, Can Shedeur Sanders Win The Browns' QB Competition, & Favorite College Players Who Didn't Pan Out In The NFL · 3 Guys, 6 Balls NFL Podcast

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3 lifelong friends, 6 trusty balls and endless NFL ticks.
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Welcome to Three Guys 6 Balls NFL Podcast.
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Welcome to episode 16 of Three Guys 6 Balls.
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Today we have our third set of balls back on the show.
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Welcome back, Avery. We missed you last week.
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Thanks. It's good to be back.
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It's good to be back. Today we're going to pick up
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right where we left off from last time.
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We didn't have Avery last time, but we were talking about the
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possibility of having an Owen 17 team this season.
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Both Will and I decided that we don't think it's going to
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happen, but one of the teams that we thought could
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potentially do it that we didn't get a chance to talk about is
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the Tennessee Titans. And So what we're going to talk
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about to start off the show is specifically with the Tennessee
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Titans, what they've put around their rookie quarterback, Cam
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Ward. So for this guy's, let's talk
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about the Titans, what they have around Cam Ward.
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I you can talk about Cam Ward if you want to.
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I don't want to talk specifically about Cam Ward and
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how he's going to perform. I want to focus just on what is
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around him. So let's go ahead and start with
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Avery. What do you kind of see as some
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of the kind of the biggest factors that are around Cam Ward
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right now and how do you think that they're going that his
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supporting cast is going to perform this season?
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I'm excited. I mean, I think Cam Ward is the
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I mean, that's kind of the main thing everyone's looking at,
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especially if they're one of the few teams that could potentially
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go. Owen was 17.
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Now I really like Tyler Lockett. I know he had one of the least
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productive seasons in Seattle last year.
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And part of that might just be age.
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It might just be the, the scheme or the, you know, the personnel
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and everything, but I like him. In fact, the, the only reason I
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started liking him is because of what he does on the field, which
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is avoid being hit at all costs. This guy will just go down and
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I, I see that as OK, this guy, this guy's got a good head on
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his shoulders and he wants to keep it that way.
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I, I see it as this guy's, he's a smart dude.
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I think him and Ridley, but him especially, just with his
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expertise and just a little bit more of a tactical way of
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looking at the game. I think that'll be able to help
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Cam Ward. The Titans are the team that's
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closest to me. They're an hour away.
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No one's really a Tennessee Titans fan here.
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No one's really an NFL fan at all.
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I don't think I've even seen an NFL jersey.
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I've seen more Cowboys jerseys than Saints, Falcons and Titans
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jerseys here. But I'm going to go see one of
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the games. I'm really excited before they
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demolish Nissan Stadium. But I think the receiving corps
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is going to be fun to watch. Tyler Lockett, mainly just for
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the just the production that he can usually put in.
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I see him a little bit like a Ryan Switzer.
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Again, nobody knows who that is. Except me.
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I know. I know it's the only thing that
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I know about the NFL that other NFL fans don't if they, I mean,
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unless they've been around for a little while.
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But yeah, now I'm excited to see them more than anything.
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Well, do you know who Ryan Switzer is?
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No, of course not. I assume some small white guy
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who played slot receiver from some school.
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Probably BYU, Maybe North Carolina if I had to guess.
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Yes, at this point, I want you to keep going.
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I'm like I played for the Cowboys for a little bit.
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Maybe the Raiders. I don't know.
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I don't know. I don't know.
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Who knows? I sounded like you knew exactly
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we. Were typically think a Ryan
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Switzer does sound like a small, fast, shifty white guy.
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I am just using general Avery context clues to put all of that
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together. I'm not necessarily an enigma
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here. I don't recognize the name
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enough to know he didn't play at Oregon because that was that
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would be the other guess. But Switzer BYU is a pretty good
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guess. That Ryan Switzer specifically,
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He probably served a mission in Utah specifically, if I had to
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guess, just given the name, probably sandy brown hair,
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probably about 5 foot 859 shredded.
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But because he's a small guy, one of those, it's really lean
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muscle, but it looks, it looks powerful.
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He looks a little bit like Brock Purdy.
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This guy up real quick here, Ryan Switzer, you said?
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Ryan Switzer, Ryan. Switzer.
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Like Switzerland, but -1 he might be like an offensive
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coordinator. Former wide receiver man I5 foot
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8. I I hit this guy right?
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Yeah. Yeah.
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I. Think he plays man will the
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mentalist over here. No joke.
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Yeah, OK, this is fun. Good for him.
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Glad that he existed. Yeah, he played three seasons in
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the NFL. He had a total of 321 receiving
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yards and one touchdown. That's bad.
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I don't he just wasn't used. He just wasn't used right,
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that's all. Or he was just bad possibility.
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No. I'd like to go back to silent
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walking here for a second and this should go down as a winner
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spreadsheet for me. Although it's not something
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technically called, it's something I said would work
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perfectly. They have paired that.
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They being the Titans have paired Xavier Restrepo up with
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Tyler Lockett. And I do believe I said that
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specifically, hey, if you pair him up, if you pair Restrepo up
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because he catches the ball, but his yard drops, they catch are
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like 12. Same thing with Tyler Lockett.
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His yard drops they catch are very minimal.
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But again, like he said, he saves himself.
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He doesn't get it. He doesn't get hurt.
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He makes the catch and goes down and he lives to play another
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down. And now they've got, I was just
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doing a quick count. They've got 20.
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They again being the Titans have 20 new players on their offense,
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whether required through free agency or the draft.
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And again, this is obviously not starters.
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It's through their entire their entire depth chart currently
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there. And again again, cuts have not
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been made yet, but right now in the off season, they have 20 new
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players on their offensive roster listed on the current
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depth chart. That is so many new pieces
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around Kenward. Kenward is one of those 20, but
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they've got new receivers all over the place just trying to do
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anything because obviously last year it didn't work.
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And so I like, I'm excited to see what the Titans can do this
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year. I have 0 faith in them.
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I mean, I'm thinking three wins Max as a ceiling.
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But I'm I'm excited to see what's going to happen.
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You know, Speaking of the amount of wins, their schedule, it's
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really not that tough of a schedule.
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So they start off at the Broncos and then they are at home
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against the Rams. So those are two tough games to
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start the season. Then they've got the Colts, the
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Texans, Cardinals, Raiders, Patriots, Colts, Chargers, A by
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Texans, Seahawks, Jags, Browns, 49ers, Chiefs, Saints and Jags.
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So there's some very winnable games in there.
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I mean, they only won three games last year with a very
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winnable schedule as well. Your two quarterbacks were Will
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Levis and Mason Rudolph. Yes, right, you didn't.
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Your ceiling for quarterbacks is not very high and we truly have
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no idea what the ceiling is going to be for for Cam Moore at
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this point, but the expectation is high.
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Let me ask you guys, Will Levis is kind of being held captive
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right now. He's got like $1,000,000
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contract for just one more year and he's they're not going to
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release him or trade him because it's like he's basically free to
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keep. What do you guys think?
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The chances are that Will Levis at any point in time, minus just
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injury, takes over for Cam Ward. Even if just for like, whether
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it's for a few games or even like to start the second-half or
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something, is kind of like a, hey, we're going to test someone
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out, light a fire under your butt for a bit.
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What do you think the chances are?
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I'd say 0. 0. It's a terrible move.
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To there's a. Nonzero chance you could die by
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a squirrel. Nonzero.
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Okay, fine. One, it's 1%.
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It's a terrible move like to destroy rookies confidence like
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that to put in last year's starter who was terrible.
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But hey, you're not really cutting it.
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So we're going to we're going to go away from you and make
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another decision here. That's not great, especially if
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you're only going bachelor. I mean, look at look at what the
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Niners did with was say Trey Lance.
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They destroyed that has confidence after trading the
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word for him. I still don't think they go with
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Will Levis though. You think, do you, do you think
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he's done? Like, I mean, do you think he's
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done on the Titans? Done in the NFLI mean at that
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point, like, is he just like, hey, it's simply a AQB depth
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chart, you know, roster position in case Cam Ward falls apart and
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we just need someone who can throw a ball?
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Or is it like, hey, there might be something here, You know what
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I mean? Like with the Browns, it's like,
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hey, we got some new guys here. There could be something here,
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you know, like we're not willing to throw away anybody, but it
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sounds like Will Levis has kind of gotten to that point where
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it's like, dude, we you're just you're just here, man.
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Like at this point, like we're we're just actively punishing
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you. Like you're not going to play,
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you're not getting paid, people losing respect for you.
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I don't know, Just seems like a tough position.
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But also I think he's go ahead, go ahead.
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I was just out. That's great.
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I think on one hand, this this could help.
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I think there's been a there's been several quarterbacks and
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probably more than several who have lost the starting position
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that kind of lit a fire under them.
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Unfortunately, I think Cam Ward is one of those guys you
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probably won't be able to top just because he wasn't one of
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those highly rated guys coming out of high school.
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Like he worked his way up to that number one position.
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Also to Will Levis, Hey, all you had to do to not be in this
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position was not be the worst team in the NFL.
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That's all you had to do. I mean you probably they start
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still probably would have gotten a quarterback somewhere, but it
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wouldn't have been the number one quarterback.
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Yeah, I don't think Will Levis is done in the NFLI.
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Just don't think he's going to be a consistent starter ever.
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He might start some games here and there because of injury or
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whatever, Yeah, but I don't I don't see him being a consistent
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starter at all, regardless of where he goes.
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Right with besides Ken Ward, the Titans have Will Levis and
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Brandon Allen. We all know him, obviously.
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Sanitation 49ers legend following up with Tim Boyle as
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their their three backups. So it's not like they've got
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somebody breathing down Ken Ward's neck.
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It was, hey, do your job's at risk.
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Like whoever starts from the Browns, that's a genuinely going
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to be a week by week competition.
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And they say if you have two starting quarterbacks, you have
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no starting quarterback. But the Browns are in that
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scenario where they've got like 4.
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The Browns are in that position where they've got like 4
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starting quarterbacks right now. And so it really is going to be
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a real week by week thing. I don't think they're going to
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name a starter until they absolutely have to, but the the
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Titans and and luckily Ken Ward are not in that luxury of a
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position. One name I'm surprised you
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didn't say Avery is, is IO Manor.
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Yeah, I'm surprised you didn't talk about him at all.
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I I didn't want to hit harp on the wide receivers too much.
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I just, I think that's going to be exciting.
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I just think the wide receiver core and the quarterback is the
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only reason I would go watch a Titans game.
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Them and Derrick Henry. Oh wait, no reason to watch
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them. That's why there's no Tennessee
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Titans fans over here. And a joke they have Chiga
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Conquo. Yeah, On your heroes, on your
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brothers show. That's the one episode of his
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podcast that I actually listen to.
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Shout out to the Sabe cast if you're a hardcore Iron Man
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Runescape enthusiast. If not, just disregard
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everything I said. There's no reason to keep that
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in your memory at all. All.
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Right well, to continue going with what the Titans have put
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around Cam Ward. So one thing that I noticed when
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looking at the team overall is last season they allowed 52
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sacks and this offseason they've gotten a couple of guys who are
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free agents that they brought in.
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The one I like the most though is they brought in the left
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tackle Dan Moore junior from the Steelers last season.
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He had a 92.5% pass block win rate, which was just outside the
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top ten in the NFL. So I think that's going to help
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their offensive line a lot and help Kim Ward a lot because he's
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not going to have to worry like Will Levis had to worry last
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season about that spot on the field.
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Obviously, he's still going to have to, you know, be aware of
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what's going on there, but I don't think that's going to be a
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problem for the Titans. And so I think that 52 sacks is
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going to come down, which is going to significantly help Kim
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Ward. One thing I'm generally worried
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about for Ken Ward specifically and for the whole team is their
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offensive production. Last year they had Tony Pollard
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as they're starting running back who ran for just over 1000 yards
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and it was Tajay Spears who ran for 312.
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So you're not getting a lot of running help besides your
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starter. And then same thing.
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It's it's nearly the exact same thing in the receiving corps as
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well. Calvin Ridley, who had 1000 yard
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season, only four touchdowns, but 1000 yards receiving and
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your next person. Oh yeah, here we go.
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Good, good name to Butcher Westbrook.
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Joe Westbrook. That wasn't even that wasn't
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even a real name. OK, here we go.
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It's Evans, Will. Yeah, last year you had Nick
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Westbrook, Akini. Akini.
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Akini, you know, that was pretty good.
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That was pretty. Good, that was.
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Pretty good. That was pretty good that yeah,
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I will not get better. But he only had 497 yards and
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you were expecting a lot more at DeAndre Hopkins and that just
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didn't happen. Your whole team just kind of
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didn't happen last year. If it wasn't for the one guy,
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you didn't have a real #2 And so I'm hoping that with what's,
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what's the number here, your new wide receivers in, in putting
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backups, you've got 123-4566 new receivers in in the building
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this year and one new tight end in the building this year.
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So I mean, they are, they are truly trying to start over and
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like, OK, well, obviously what we had last year didn't work.
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So there's a whole system out and start over and try again.
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And I don't hate the strategy because it's not like they can
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get worse. They already had the number one
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pick. It's not like losing 2 more or
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three more games this year. He's going to put them in a
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worse spot than they were in last year.
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They're just all right, throw all this crap out and we'll do
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it. Try completely different next
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year. Let's bring in more crap to get
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another number one overall pick. We're going to tank the season
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before it starts sinking. Like we're going to bomb this
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thing before the maiden voyage. Well, well, there's a There's a
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rookie receiver that the Titans drafted in the fourth round.
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Can you look up his name and pronounce it for me?
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DK Kamari, come here. Come here 1st.
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Of all, first of all, you said his name backwards.
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Oh, sure, sure, sure, sure. That's checked out.
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There's a comment there. Kamir DK, is it you?
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You. You.
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Pronounced the last name right. I thought you were going to say
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Tyke. Are you just trying to set me up
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out here right now? You played yourself.
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You pronounced the the last name right, everybody.
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Just calls it. Everybody just calls him Chim.
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Chim, Chim, DK. I'm sure it's Chimir.
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Chimiri. I don't care.
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He's a, he's a Titans player. I could not care less.
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I can barely get Dak Prescott right.
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Foreign dude. Yeah, I mean, I don't really
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love the wide receivers for the Titans.
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I mean, Calvin Raisley's proven himself, I guess Tyler Lockett's
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proven himself, but he's not going to be your number one guy.
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Then they've got a bunch of guys who are unproven.
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So kind of after those two, we don't really know what we're
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getting. So I guess we'll just kind of
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have to wait and see how that plays out.
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But one thing that I looked at when I was looking at what the
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Titans have put around Cam Ward was their defense, because that
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is going to play a significant factor in how well this team
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does. Last season they allowed the
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third most points per game, but somehow they allowed the second
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least yards per game. That somehow is because they
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were turning the ball over regularly.
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When you turn the ball over on your side of the 50 regularly,
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you don't give the other two an opportunity for yards.
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Sorry, but it's just the fact that I.
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Guess that makes sense. Or your your punt coverage is
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terrible. So there's I don't know what
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they're opposing starting field position average wise, but it's
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probably very bad if you're a Titans fan.
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Remember playing Madden as a kid and trying to boost my
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quarterback stats or my wide receiver stats.
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I think it was a wide receiver and I wanted to get a really big
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yards per catch. And so it would piss me off when
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we got the ball on a turnover on like the opposing 20.
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And I'm like, the best I can get is 20 yards.
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Yeah, honestly. Trying to average 40.
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Are you playing with a little bit of room?
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So I reached out to a Titans fan, I reached out to Titans
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Talk 615 on Instagram because I wanted to get a Titans fans
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perspective on the defense. So kind of what he told me is
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the secondary is the strongest part of the defense.
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The run defense struggled last year and he thinks they'll be
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better this year. And then the edge rushing group
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is still the part of the defense that needs a lot of work.
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So if you look at the numbers, everything he said matches up.
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They allowed the second least passing yards per game.
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So the secondary is the strongest part of the defense.
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They were 26th in rushing yards allowed.
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So the defense struggled against the run last year and then their
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edge rushing. They had 32 sacks last season,
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which was third least in the league.
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They did not have a double digit sack guy.
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Their leading guy had 9 sacks, but he's now with the Patriots.
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So you no longer have your leading sack guy from last
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season. You actually lost two of your
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top four guys in sacks. And this is this is kind of the
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main reason, the main thing that makes me think the Titans have
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potential to go O and 17. They cannot rush the
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quarterback. They can't get to the
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quarterback. And when you can't get to the
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quarterback, quarterbacks are going to carve you up.
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Here's who they have as their starting front 7 listed on ESPN
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right now. And the amount of sacks that
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each of these players had last season.
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So Sebastian Joseph Day had 2 1/2, Devondre Sweat had one,
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Jeffrey Simmons had five, Draymond Jones had four, Cody
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Barton had 1.5, Otis Reese had zero and Arden Key had 6.5.
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So in total, the players who are listed as the Titans starting
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front 7 right now had a combined 20 1/2 sacks accounted for last
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year. How are you going to win games
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if you can't get to the quarterback?
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By scoring more points than them.
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But yeah, no, they're not going to win.
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I found the answer to my question here.
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The average starting field position for the Titans
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opponents in 2024 was the 41 and a third yard line.
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So you are at what's that 59 yards ever drive?
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That's all you have to do is go. That's all they have to do. 59
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yards is all they had to go, which is not what's what's field
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goal range. Two first downs away like the.
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40, Honestly, yeah. You're going 20 yards for first
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downs. Yeah, you're right.
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Two first downs away. That's crazy.
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So all they had to do to score points is go 20 yards.
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Yes, but if no one's getting to the quarterbacks, like, why
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don't we just keep passing the ball?
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Seriously though, I mean, you joke that's.
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That's real. I mean, again, going back to
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their schedule, the quarterbacks aren't it's not like a like a
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gauntlet of quarterbacks that they have to go through
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honestly, but still, even even a bad quarterback when they have
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time can carve you up. I'm.
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Gonna have to watch a Titans game that has a fun away team
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coming. It's got a sweet offense, so I
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can just watch them. I can watch them get some
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amazing offensive highlights. Chargers, Texans, Chiefs.
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I could watch Herbert do that. You can watch your boy Drake
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May. Oh, Week 7, OK, since that's
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Patriot while Tom Brady's not there anymore.
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Trying to figure out like what the I realized I was looking at
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when I was looking at there was a Raider game tickets.
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I was realizing I guess some teams just have more value to
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them. Like the Jaguars Raiders is 1
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price. The Cowboys, Raiders is
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completely separate price. Yep, yes.
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Do you guys have anything else to add about the Titans?
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They're sucking, are going to keep sucking.
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All right, we'll leave it at that.
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Well, since we're on the topic of the Titans, let's talk about
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a former Titan who Avery had already mentioned, Derrick
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Henry. This is my game.
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What I want you guys to do for the game is I want you guys to
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compare 5 running backs to Derrick Henry and all of these
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running backs are in the top 20 all time in rushing.
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I want you guys to compare Derrick Henry in his prime to
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these 5 running backs in their prime and tell me who you would
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rather have. Oh, OK, so the first one,
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Derrick Henry or Edwin James? I actually would take Derrick
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Henry. I would take Derek Henry also.
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Yeah, I'd take Derek Henry. I'm looking at his stats.
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I'll take Derek Henry. All right.
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Second guy Derek Henry or Ladainian Tomlinson Lt.
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Any specific reason as to why? Because I think he's better than
20:25
Derek Henry, OK. Fair enough.
20:27
I'm also going to take Lt. as complete as Derek Henry is, I
20:31
just think Lt. Is a better running back and he
20:34
was more hindered by his team because he was only ever on the
20:37
Chargers, at least as far as I remember.
20:40
No, he played for The Jets. Oh, you're right.
20:42
Just like Brett Favre. We don't really count that, do
20:44
we? Just like Aaron Rodgers, we
20:46
won't count that either. And so the guy who was hindered
20:49
by his team and Gary moved around more.
20:52
If Derrick Henry explained his take his whole career on the
20:54
Titans, he would be talking about the same thing.
20:56
A great player hindered by his team.
20:58
Well with the Ravens he was hindered by Mark Andrews hands.
21:01
Well. Jeez Lt. 2006 did the Chargers
21:08
not have a quarterback? How do you rush for 28
21:11
touchdowns? You get to you throw the ball to
21:14
the one yard line every time and then you just run it in for a
21:17
touchdown. Holy moly.
21:19
It's like almost like that's almost like the receivers were
21:21
trying to go down at the one. His his second best season was
21:25
the season right before that where he got 18 touchdowns.
21:28
He blew that number out of the water by 10.
21:31
That's literally quarterback numbers.
21:33
Yikes. Yeah, OK.
21:35
Next guy, Derrick Henry or Adrian Peterson.
21:38
Well, it depends on what we're talking about.
21:41
Whole package. I'll take Henry, but if we're
21:44
talking minus the injuries and the fighting after losing some
21:49
gambling that we saw like a couple days ago, do you see that
21:52
video? I did not.
21:53
OK, he was in the news. Forgot about him.
21:57
Yeah, I'll take, I'll take Henry.
22:00
Based on the actual completed body of work.
22:02
I think Adrian Peterson had more potential though.
22:05
OK. Will, who would you take?
22:07
I actually very much agree with what we said there.
22:10
I think Adrian Peterson had more potential than he played up to,
22:13
which is rough to say because he had a great season, a great
22:16
career. But I think I also take, I think
22:18
I also take Derrick Henry, similar style running backs.
22:21
And just so you guys know, each time I say running backs name,
22:24
the guy is moving up the list of all time rushers.
22:26
So Ed and James was 13th, Lt. was 7th, Adrian Peterson's
22:31
fifth. So this next guy is third on the
22:33
list, It's Derrick Henry or Frank Gore.
22:36
How many years has Derrick Henry played football?
22:39
What is this 99? Frank Gore played for what, 35?
22:43
This is this is. This is in their prime though.
22:45
In their prime. I think Derrick Henry.
22:49
Yeah, Derrick Henry. I think Frank Gore just had a
22:51
longer career. It's like LeBron and MJ.
22:55
It's like, yeah, yeah. Yeah.
22:57
OK. So the last one, the all time
23:00
leading rusher Derrick Henry versus Emmett Smith.
23:03
Yes, Emmett Smith. I mean, am I allowed to say
23:05
anything else? I'm not.
23:06
Going to say Derrick Henry is the top running back of all
23:10
time. A lot of people, a lot of people
23:13
don't think Emmett Smith is the top running back of all time,
23:16
even though he's the leading rusher and the leading he leads
23:19
in rushing touchdowns. A lot of people say it's Barry
23:22
Sanders. A lot of people say it's Jim
23:23
Brown. A lot of people don't think
23:25
Emmett Smith is is the top running back.
23:27
They think he's top five, but they don't think he's the top
23:29
running back of all time. Dude, this dude was consistent.
23:33
Dude just a straight up just curve bell curve of his career.
23:38
Just starting off rookie prime and then just that slow descent.
23:42
No, like weird. Like, oh, I didn't play.
23:45
I was hurt this whole time. You know, I guess it's second to
23:48
last season he missed some games.
23:51
He played, I think. He was just there every time.
23:54
And that's part of the reason why he's the all time leading
23:57
rusher and he leads in rushing touchdowns is because he was he
24:00
wasn't hurt that often. What does that mean for for
24:04
running backs now, considering they have they just seemed every
24:08
year, they just seemed to have a shorter and shorter shelf life.
24:11
I'm curious. Like I was under the impression
24:13
that, you know, football in the 90s and early 2000s was just a
24:17
lot rougher back then. Plus you didn't have the sports
24:20
medicine, sports science and stuff to like, if you had the
24:23
money and cared about it to like keep your body in tip top shape.
24:26
I mean, I'm just still thinking back to that first.
24:30
Say what? You guys were hard drips.
24:33
Yeah, I mean, like Lawrence Taylor, that's, I mean, he ran
24:36
on cocaine. He broke bones on cocaine.
24:39
You just But you didn't feel pain because you were so doped
24:43
up in every possible way did. They have bath salts back then
24:49
because that would. They had them, I don't know if
24:50
they were using them, just quick bath salts.
24:53
Google No problem. The answer is Emma Smith, right?
24:57
Like obviously even even Derrick Henry's prime, I don't think
25:01
he's doing the things Emma's doing.
25:03
How close would it be though? Like, is it like there's no
25:07
question it's Emma Smith? Or, like, was Derrick Henry even
25:10
in consideration at all? I mean, it has to be in
25:12
consideration, but I don't, I don't think I would ever pick
25:17
Derrick Henry over Emma Smith. Is that just because you're a
25:19
Cowboys fan? It's got to be, it's got to be
25:21
Cowboys guys pulling all the way through here and I have no
25:23
problem admitting it. I will say it no with no issue.
25:26
I I'm a Cowboys fan, so I, I want good Cowboys players to be
25:31
continuously recognized. OK.
25:33
Oh Chad GBT thought I was talking about smelling salts.
25:37
I quickly corrected it and it just gave me an emphatic no, it
25:41
would not make you better on bath salts.
25:43
It would make you complain less about injuries, coordination,
25:47
judgement like spatial and time awareness like out the window.
25:50
But you wouldn't get hurt at least like while you're on the
25:54
bath salts, so. Targeting journalism right
25:57
there. In case you guys wanted to know,
25:58
yeah, no one's taking bath salts.
26:00
No one's doing bath salts outside the bath.
26:04
All right, OK, so I've, I have another question for you guys
26:09
about Derrick Henry. So Emma Smith had 18,335 rushing
26:14
yards and 164 rushing touchdowns in 15 seasons.
26:18
In nine seasons, Derrick Henry has 11,423 rushing yards and 106
26:24
rushing touchdowns. Do you think that Derrick Henry
26:27
could either break the rushing yards record or the rushing
26:30
touchdowns record by the time his career is over?
26:33
So you said? I need to like see these numbers
26:36
I can't visualize. That 11,000, 18,000 right yards.
26:39
Yep. So he's got 7000 more to go.
26:42
It's, it's like 6900. It's a little bit less than
26:45
7000. Emmitt Smith played fifteen
26:47
seasons. Derrick Henry's played 9.
26:49
Derrick Henry is currently tied for 6th on the all time rushing
26:53
touchdowns list with 106. Emmitt Smith had 164 and he had
26:58
18,335 yards and 11 and Derrick Henry has 11,423 rushing yards.
27:05
So basically in in six more seasons, do you think Derrick
27:08
Henry can get just over 6900 rushing yards?
27:12
Or is he at 2000 this year? He's getting a 2000 rushing
27:15
yards this year. We've all seen that thing,
27:17
right? Adam Sandler, Derrick.
27:18
Henry gets 2000 he's. Getting 2000 rushing in an Adam
27:22
Sandler movie, that's a bigger incentive than his contract.
27:25
He has to go to dinner with Adam Sandler and be in a movie with
27:29
lines, I think. I believe he said.
27:30
Major role, something like that. If you do this really tough
27:34
task, I will get you dinner and give you an additional job.
27:41
Honestly, here's the thing. This is how I see it.
27:43
Because Henry for all intents and purposes, basically had two
27:47
2000 yard seasons. I'll just give it to him for
27:50
this last one. He's at 1921.
27:52
I would be surprised. I would be blown away if he has
27:57
the endurance and the I get what's the word for just like
28:02
being able to protect his body durability for the remain
28:06
durability. It's simple.
28:08
It's how big he is. I, I just feel like for the most
28:11
part, I mean, even in in the NBAA lot of sports, I mean just
28:14
the bigger you are, the harder it is to stay healthy.
28:17
The fact that he's been doing it at this level for this for what?
28:20
I mean, eight years now, nine years, that's impressive.
28:23
But I don't see it continuing. I can see him breaking the
28:27
record if he is hell bent on getting it and sticks around the
28:32
NFL just to get it. Other than that, I don't think
28:35
he'll get it. What about rushing touchdowns?
28:37
He's 58 rushing touchdowns away. 58.
28:41
I mean, that's really still five seasons.
28:44
With as big as there can or. Maybe, maybe.
28:46
It's probably just Four Seasons if again, if he maintains, you
28:51
know, average production. Which is 11.77 touchdowns a
28:55
season so far in his career. I think he could do it.
28:59
I just know there's a steep drop off man.
29:01
Like it's, it's like one injury and that's like the snowball
29:05
going down the the snowy mountain man.
29:08
If he averaged 11.77 the rest of his career, it'd be 5 more
29:12
seasons For him to break the record, he'd have to average
29:15
11.77 rushing touchdowns for five more seasons.
29:19
I mean, here's the thing I'm looking at like Adrian Peterson
29:21
stats, I mean, if you talked about his first seven years,
29:25
you'd be like this guy is the greatest running back and I see
29:30
no end insight next season. He has 75 yards with the
29:33
exception of the year after that where he got 1500.
29:36
What wasn't the 75 because he got suspended though?
29:40
Yeah, but that, I mean, that's what I'm saying though, is like,
29:42
but again, that's not, I mean, I'm sure Derek Henry can keep
29:45
his nose clean. But besides that, I mean, after
29:48
the next 1500 yard season, 72 yards, 81 yards.
29:52
Oh no, that was oh, cuz he was with two different teams,
29:54
basically 500 yards, 1806 hundred 8216.
29:59
I don't know. I just, I don't have a lot of
30:01
faith in running backs, especially when we're talking
30:03
about like chasing like a career milestone, I guess.
30:07
I just think Derrick Henry is just such a big guy that even
30:11
when he's older and you know he's been used and abused as a
30:15
running back, you can still put him in at the 1 yard line and
30:18
all. All he has to do is just get 1
30:20
yard. I think he's going to be good at
30:22
that for a very long time, even when he's not the guy who's
30:25
running 90 yards down the field for a touchdown.
30:28
He's big enough and I think he takes care of his body very
30:31
well. I think he's going to be very
30:33
good at getting rushing touchdowns for a long time.
30:36
I mean, Speaking of a guy like that, even Jerome Bettis, who
30:40
was like the master of 1 yard touchdowns after he turned 30,
30:44
he got 7 touchdowns at age 31. He had 13 touchdowns at age 32,
30:49
but then he had 9 touchdowns at age 33 and then he was done and
30:53
he had a few more years after he turned 30.
30:55
Because the bigger guys, they get hit harder because you have
30:58
to hit hit them harder to take them down, especially when
31:00
you're jamming them together at the 1 yard line.
31:02
Now I could be completely off base here, but Jalen Hurts only
31:06
has realistically a few more years of it took push because
31:11
his value just physically can't take that kind of dogpile year
31:15
after year after year doing it that many times.
31:17
And it's going to get banned. It probably won't, not until the
31:20
wording is actually accurate. I just think that like he ever
31:23
said, there's the downturn or running backs tenure is
31:26
incredibly high. Even though on his new team
31:29
where he's not the endo be all he's got Lamar, he's got other
31:32
players in there who are going to take the pressure off of
31:35
them. I still just don't see him
31:36
breaking either record. They're going to be incredibly
31:39
hard to break forever. Honestly, I feel like with this,
31:43
it really comes down to like how much Derek Henry wants it.
31:47
If it's something where he says, oh, I'm going to break that
31:49
record, I'd honestly probably believe he would.
31:52
If it's something I believe that he's trying to get to that, then
31:55
yeah, if it's like I want to win a Super Bowl, I don't see him
31:59
pushing himself to get there. I see it more as winning.
32:01
It's the same thing as like kneeing the ball in the one yard
32:04
line to help your team win but piss off all your fantasy
32:07
owners. OK, so final question with this
32:10
segment. If Derrick Henry breaks either
32:12
the rushing yards or rushing touchdowns record, is he the
32:16
greatest running back of all time?
32:17
No. No, I don't think so.
32:20
He's the same guy who's both of them right now.
32:22
No. And to bring the Basketball
32:24
Reference and if he does that, I would consider him the LeBron
32:30
James of running backs, where he's an incredible physical
32:34
specimen, has produced a lot, but is not the best ever.
32:38
Whereas, like, LeBron is like, yeah, you are a freak athlete,
32:41
You are incredible. You've won championships.
32:43
You've played longer than, like, basically anyone else, but
32:46
you're not the best. You just have an incredible
32:49
talent. But there's been, you know, at
32:51
least one other guy that's just got you beat.
32:54
That's fair. All right.
32:55
So let's move on to our next topic.
32:57
This is a fan question and yes, I'm going to dox him.
33:00
This is my former Co worker Jairo Alvarez who I worked with
33:03
at Enterprise unfortunately employment and he still does
33:08
work there in Carson City, NV. If you want to.
33:13
Find him, that's where you to go.
33:16
If you hate this question, you know where to find him.
33:19
Sharo, What's your name? Hiro.
33:21
Hiro. All right, so here's the
33:23
question from Hiro. Can Shooter Sanders win the
33:25
Browns quarterback competition? And I'm going to put in here
33:29
like actually win, not just like come in because somebody else
33:33
sucks. Can he actually win the Browns
33:36
quarterback competition? What do you guys think?
33:38
Can he? In a world full of
33:41
possibilities, yes. I'm going to go with your 1%
33:45
from earlier because there is a, as mentioned, a more than
33:49
statistical zero rate killed by a swirl.
33:51
So there is, I won't say there's a zero chance.
33:55
There is a statistical possibility, yes.
33:58
But who is in that quarterback row?
34:01
Browns, this is what you get for asking questions, you guys.
34:05
I can tell you you've got Joe Flacco, Kenny Pickett, Dylan
34:08
Gabriel, Shader Sanders and Deshaun Watson technically.
34:12
On ESPN, shader Sanders isn't even listed as as in the top 4
34:17
here. That is correct, but Deshaun
34:19
Watson is also listed as the star.
34:21
He is correctly. I think the answer is no.
34:24
It is actually no because it if it is the season starts to to
34:28
turn down on them. They will go back to over liable
34:31
Joe Flacco, the Raven himself and just let's let him take
34:36
over. I don't think they mess around
34:37
with another like if, if it's Dylan Gabriel then and Dylan
34:41
Gabriel doesn't pan out, I don't think they mess around with
34:43
another rookie. I don't think they do that this
34:45
year. I think they go to a a seasoned
34:47
vet and try a different rookie out next year or in the
34:50
offseason. We have these people more
34:52
experienced under a starter because we've seen time and time
34:55
again, I mean Aaron Rodgers and Jordan Love and the list goes on
35:00
and on of these rookies who sit behind starters, veteran
35:04
starters for a few years and they come into the league.
35:08
They come in as a starter after a few years with the actual
35:11
skills and experience of what to do with how to do it and it's
35:15
incredibly beneficial. And if they don't know what Joe
35:18
Flacco from the get, I think they pick one and then shift to
35:22
Joe Flacco part way through the year.
35:23
I'm going to go ahead and say, and you can put this on your
35:26
spreadsheet, I think Sanders plays for another team before he
35:32
gets named the official starter. I think he could come in and
35:36
start a game. It's one of those like, test it
35:38
out. We'll see how it goes.
35:39
Like, oh, he's going to be a starter for this game, but by
35:42
the time an organization says that he's our guy, he'll be
35:46
playing for a different team. Interesting.
35:48
We'll see. So I think the answer to this
35:50
question is no for this year, but yes for next year.
35:54
So here's the reason why it's no for this year, Shadur is the
35:58
only quarterback who has not received a single first team
36:02
Rep. Every other quarterback, well I
36:03
guess not Deshaun Watson, but every other every other
36:06
quarterback has received first team reps.
36:09
The only one who hasn't is Shadur.
36:11
He's been stuck playing with the backups.
36:13
Now one thing I will say about Shadur is he seems to have
36:17
changed his attitude a little bit and obviously I'm not there
36:20
so I can go based off of his videos and quotes.
36:25
Is this after he got arrested He.
36:26
Didn't get arrested just to speaking ticket.
36:29
Oh, sorry, sorry, sorry. Technically.
36:30
He's a misdemeanor. Yeah, it's a misdemeanor.
36:32
Yeah. Is this after his misdemeanor
36:33
his attitude started to change or before?
36:37
In. In between?
36:39
In between the two. Tickets in between the two
36:41
tickets. I didn't hear about the second
36:43
one. Yeah.
36:44
He's gotten. He's gotten 2.
36:46
The. Notification came out after he
36:48
got the second one. Yeah, his attitude was too good
36:52
and the second one had to put him back in the middle.
36:55
Here's the ticket. Here's the ticket for being too
36:57
polite, Sir So. He's gone to Cindy, Boy.
37:03
You're getting another ticket. Jeez.
37:06
All right. Sorry.
37:07
All right, so Shadour was asked about his lack of first team
37:12
reps, and here's what he had to say.
37:14
You could view things as you're not getting reps in a negative
37:16
way, or you could view it as, OK, when is it my time to get
37:19
out there? Let's be proactive, let's get
37:20
warm and let's get going so there's no excuses because when
37:23
you get out there, nobody cares how many reps you got.
37:26
Whenever you get in the game, nobody cares if you took a snap
37:29
before. Everybody cares about
37:31
production. So that's the main thing.
37:33
When you get out there, you got to be able to produce.
37:36
I don't think pre draft we would have ever heard that from
37:39
shooter Sanders. Can you repeat the first part of
37:41
that quote? Yeah, he said.
37:43
You could view things as you're not getting reps in a negative
37:45
way, or you could view it as, OK, when is it my time to get
37:48
out there? Let's be proactive.
37:50
That's. Like me asking for a raise and
37:56
then be like no, and then my buddy being like, oh, that's got
37:58
to hurt. Like no, you could see it as
38:00
they're not giving me my money is a bad thing, but I see it as
38:03
when am I getting my money? I Yeah.
38:08
I don't know. I think I understand what he was
38:11
trying to say. I can definitely taken as what
38:14
you're saying agree, but I don't, I don't know.
38:17
I don't view that as much of an attitude change to me personally
38:20
because it can be taken in different ways and we don't
38:23
know. I mean, I didn't hear him say I
38:25
wasn't there at the press confident.
38:26
You hear the whole thing and see his body language.
38:28
It's easy to act professional. I mean, look at Cam Newton,
38:31
right? It's easy to act professional
38:33
until until something goes wrong and then you just act like a big
38:38
whiny baby. And I'm not saying that
38:39
Shudora's a big whiny baby. I am saying that Cam Newton was,
38:42
but I just, I don't think it's going to last.
38:45
That's the problem is that history is going to win out in
38:49
this and he's going to. Chances are he's going to revert
38:52
back to his old ways. I feel like that the Browns are
38:55
kind of like purposely not giving him first team reps.
38:58
I don't think it's actually because of how he's performing
39:00
because if you look at his performance, he's gone fourty 1
39:03
of 53 in completions at 77.4%. Granted, it's with backups, but
39:08
still, that's a very high completion percentage.
39:11
He's from 9 touchdowns and 1 interception, and that's in OTAs
39:15
and mini camp combined. When Shader Sanders has been in
39:17
there, he's done really well. And again, I know it's with the
39:20
second team, but when he's in practice, he's producing
39:24
numbers. He's showing that he can play in
39:26
the NFL, and I just feel like the Browns are purposely not
39:30
putting him at first team just to kind of humble him up a
39:33
little bit and really make himself earn his way to that
39:37
starting spot. I feel like if the Browns would
39:40
have drafted him in the first round like they did with Brandon
39:42
Whedon and Johnny Manziel, it's like, OK, the starting spot is
39:46
yours. But that's not the case with
39:47
Shudur. He didn't get drafted in the
39:49
first round. The starting spot is not just
39:51
his like it's always been his entire career, regardless of the
39:55
level he's played at. This is the first, first time
39:58
where he's really had to earn that spot.
40:00
And I think that the Browns are purposely kind of stringing that
40:04
out for Shooter to see how he handles the situation.
40:07
And then when he's ready, they're going to put him in as a
40:09
starter. And I don't think it's going to
40:11
be this season, but I think it's going to be next season.
40:14
This might also be the first time that he's actually not the
40:17
best quarterback on the roster. That might also be the case that
40:20
he is, which seems like he's always been given the spot, but
40:25
it's also very possible he's just been the best quarterback
40:28
available and I think. He's played at Jackson State in
40:32
Colorado, so let's and in high school and in high school.
40:36
Whoever he went to high school. I went to high school with Coach
40:39
Prime's son. I was better than.
40:42
I'm sure there are people who believe that, but yeah, this is
40:48
just, this happens to all these guys where they they're the best
40:51
guy in College, in high school when they get to the NFL and
40:54
it's just not they're no longer the big fish anymore.
40:57
Yeah, I don't think, like I said, I think he's going to be,
41:00
he's not going to be the starter until he's on a different team.
41:02
I think when it's all said and done, the Browns is going to be
41:06
a time of his life that he doesn't like to talk about very
41:08
much. Well.
41:09
Especially if if Devil Gabriel or somehow can you pick it works
41:14
out. Like if one of these younger
41:16
guys works out, there's no there's no reason for the Browns
41:20
to keep Shadour. Use them as trade capital.
41:24
You see these OTAs and mini camp stats that you've let him
41:27
acquire as trade bait and get them out of there.
41:31
Get them to the Saints. Saints always need a quarterback
41:35
right now. There's there's lots of room out
41:38
there for good young quarterbacks and the Raiders
41:41
don't have a succession plan. I mean, the Seahawks will
41:45
probably be looking for a quarterback about week 7.
41:48
There's lots of teams out there that are going to be looking for
41:50
for quarterbacks and so. What ironic though, because
41:54
every single one of those teams passed up on him more than once.
41:57
Well, I mean, the Browns did that too, right?
42:00
They even picked the quarterback.
42:01
Before him. Yeah, that's true.
42:03
I wonder if they're going to actually do anything to try to
42:05
raise his trade value before that.
42:08
Because if you get the guy that late in the draft, don't use him
42:12
and then be like, all right, we're trying to get rid of him.
42:13
Anyone want him? Like, dude, you just proved our
42:16
point for not drafting him. Like no, we don't want him.
42:18
Let me ask you guys this if Shader goes out and he just
42:21
balls in the preseason, do you think that a team would inquire
42:25
about trading for him? Yes, absolutely.
42:27
I absolutely do. This year or next?
42:29
Year. No, I even think this year.
42:30
No, I could. I could see it this year just
42:32
because every It's not. The Browns quarterback situation
42:34
isn't a secret, and I think taking trading to remove a piece
42:38
from that puzzle is probably a good thing for the Browns.
42:41
It's like, don't make us choose someone, just offer us something
42:44
for one of these guys so we can make it can make our decision
42:47
easier. And I, I think that I was just
42:49
trying to say the same thing this this preseason for the
42:52
Browns is going to be very interesting because you've
42:54
really got three games to assess. 4.
42:57
Plus Deshaun watching quarterbacks to figure out who
42:59
you're going to go with. And yeah, sure you're is that
43:03
shared practices and your OTAs, your money camps and this that's
43:06
the others is going to give you a lot of what you want to know.
43:10
But that previous preseason games are really going to
43:12
matter. And I'm I'm interested who
43:14
they're going to start in that same preseason game when it's
43:16
usually your starters out there for a full quarter and maybe
43:19
even a full half. That's it's going to be really
43:21
interesting as we approach our August to watch that happen.
43:24
If you guys had to pick right now, make your prediction.
43:27
Who's going to be the starter Week 1?
43:29
Joe Flacco. Flacco.
43:31
I would say it's Flacco too. Well, thanks again to Jairo for
43:34
the question about the Browns. We appreciate you listening to
43:37
the show and reaching out to us with a question for us to answer
43:41
on the show. So we've got one more segment on
43:43
the show today and this question, well, this topic idea
43:47
was actually Will's idea. So I'm going to let Will meet
43:50
this. Host.
43:52
Take it away. I'm not going to This is why I
43:55
don't host, but I guess here we are.
43:57
So, so I'm going to pitch the question to you first.
43:59
So what do you take to ask the question?
44:04
So what do we got? What are your tapes?
44:09
So there are a large amount of college football players that
44:12
like to make it to the pros and that we want to see in the pros
44:15
and from our favorite teams and some from nuts.
44:17
So Joe, let's start with you. Who is your favorite player in
44:22
college? I'm not your actual favorite
44:23
player, but somebody who you watched in college that you were
44:26
excited to see in the pros that just didn't pan out.
44:30
They just they should have had a better career than they had and
44:33
they just didn't pay out. I'm.
44:34
Going to start by saying that I don't have a favorite player who
44:37
didn't pan out because I'm such a good draft analyst that all my
44:41
favorite players are always. Successful.
44:43
What's your take Moving on? I'm the host.
44:47
Too bad. You lose.
44:52
All right, So what you got? OK.
44:54
OK. So I went with Melvin Gordon.
44:57
Melvin Gordon in 2014 was exciting to watch.
45:01
He was basically all the people who are watching Ashton Gente at
45:06
Boise State last season. That's what we got from Melvin
45:09
Gordon in 2014. Here's the stats 343 carries,
45:13
2587 rushing yards, 7.5 yards a carry, 29 touchdowns is.
45:19
This college. This is college.
45:20
This is 2014, his last. Year one season.
45:24
That's just one season. That's in the Big 10, too.
45:27
That's not Yeah, that's not Mountain West.
45:31
He had an Ashton Gente season before Ashton Gente did it this
45:34
last season. So then he goes to the NFL.
45:37
He gets drafted by the Chargers 15th overall in 2015, his rookie
45:42
season. He runs for 641 yards in 14
45:45
games, and he averages 3.5 yards a carry.
45:48
He did not have one single touchdown his rookie year.
45:51
Not one. I'm sure that made fantasy
45:53
orders surreal. Oh.
45:55
Yeah, so I reached out to our buddy Tim from Answer the Call
45:59
because he's a Chargers fan, and I texted him and I said I.
46:02
Don't want to talk about this. Yeah, yeah.
46:06
No, I said, I said do you think Melvin Gordon was a bust?
46:09
And he was like, oh, absolutely. He was like, you know, when you
46:11
consider the overall bust, like you're not Jim Marcus Russell
46:15
status, but you know, he's driving the 15th overall with
46:18
that type of a season. He didn't ever live up to the
46:21
hype in his whole career. He had one 1000 yard rushing
46:25
season, which was in 2017. He played a full 16 game
46:28
schedule twice. He averaged less than 4 yards of
46:32
carry in six of his nine NFL seasons.
46:34
So after having a historic rushing season at Wisconsin in
46:38
2014, he goes to the NFL. He doesn't even come close to
46:43
what people thought he was going to be.
46:45
He probably would have been the first running back taken in that
46:47
draft, but there was a guy named Todd Gurley who was drafted
46:50
ahead of him. Now let's compare Ashton Gente's
46:53
season last year to Melvin Gordon.
46:55
Ashton Gente had 374 carries, 2601 rushing yards.
47:00
So before Ashton Gente became the second, became second in
47:05
single season rushing yards, it was Melvin Gordon he averaged.
47:08
Ashton Gente averaged 7 yards of carry and he had the same amount
47:11
of touchdowns with 29 and they both finished second in Heisman
47:16
voting. Also something very similar
47:18
between the two is they were both drafted in the top half of
47:22
the draft by AFC West teams. So I want to ask you guys, does
47:27
this give you any sort of caution when it comes?
47:30
Down no, I think those are I don't I think those are
47:33
irrelevant stats. I think they also have the same
47:36
birthstone and Zodiac sign and both of their mother's middle
47:41
name is Anne. I I think like it could happen,
47:45
but not for any of those reasons.
47:47
I, I don't, I mean, it could be something where it's like, oh,
47:50
this dude's just too small or the defenders are just catching
47:53
him all the, the, the breakaway runs.
47:56
Because I would love to know how many yards did Gente get after
48:01
first contact? Because that's what would change
48:03
more than anything is like, yeah, I mean, you were shedding
48:06
tackles left and right. But as soon as you come across
48:09
some, you know, more competent, you know, defenders that can
48:12
actually wrap up, it's going to be a different story.
48:14
However, that wasn't Melvin Gordon's story.
48:16
It wasn't like, oh, these guys are just a little bit better.
48:19
And I was like, Nah, dude, you're they're just not that
48:21
good anymore. But no, I don't.
48:23
I, I, I think, I mean, if I were to place a bet, I would say
48:26
absolutely he has a better season than Melvin Gordon.
48:28
And if he doesn't, I will be blown away.
48:30
And I'll say, all right, those were not irrelevant stats.
48:33
I think everybody would be blown away.
48:34
Well, what do you think? I can't agree with Avery with
48:37
you. Those are kind of irrelevant.
48:39
I also think that the time, the football time span, I guess the
48:45
the play styles of teams that play, I don't know, the, the era
48:50
of game that we're in is so different now and it doesn't
48:53
seem like that long ago, but it's so different now to when
48:57
Melvin Gordon was playing. I just Nope, that's the wrong
49:00
guy. No, that's the right guy.
49:01
Melvin Gordon's the right guy. Todd Gurley is the other guy.
49:03
Melvin Gordon is the right guy. The timers are so different now
49:06
than when Melvin Gordon was drafted that Ashton Jesse is
49:11
coming into a different league and it's, it's a full different
49:14
scenario nowadays. So I I just, I think the two are
49:17
truly incomparable. OK.
49:19
I think that's fair. Hey, Rick, who you got?
49:21
I want to start with an honorable mention.
49:23
Oh yeah. Colt Brandon.
49:25
Oh, OK. You guys remember him?
49:29
That little sidearm? Yeah.
49:30
Toffin boy out of Hawaii. Turns out dude was just not just
49:36
didn't have it together. I think he ended up OD ING on
49:39
something and then he he like got in trouble with the law.
49:44
He was at one school. No if he ever comes back, he's
49:49
on the hook for a lot now. I think he was playing
49:51
somewhere, got kicked off the team, played with some JUCO team
49:55
and then went to Hawaii as a walk on.
49:57
So it's one of those things where it was like dude just keep
50:00
your nose clean. But still ended up putting
50:02
insane numbers then couldn't cut it in the NFL.
50:07
But the actual guy I want to talk about is Mitchell Trubisky.
50:11
I honestly for this, I just, I feel bad for the guy.
50:15
I watched Carolina football when he was sitting on the bench for
50:19
two years. I remember Marquis Williams was
50:22
their quarterback and he wasn't the most accurate.
50:24
He wasn't anything great, but like he was a mobile
50:26
quarterback. He just made good decisions for
50:29
the most part. They made it to the ACC
50:32
Championship, got bent over by Clemson and it was interesting
50:37
because they had a lot of offensive weapons.
50:40
Marquis Williams last season and a lot of guys that would come
50:43
over to the next the next year. Some good guys actually left.
50:47
But the whole thing was, I remember because Trubisky would
50:50
come in a few times a game, like usually towards the end, and
50:55
he'd make some passes and it'd be fine.
50:56
And I just remember like, well, Marquis Williams is so good.
50:58
He's out there just Michael vicking it up.
51:01
And I remember the beginning of the season where Trubisky
51:04
started and I like before the first game, people saying this
51:09
guy is going to be first round talent, maybe even like top ten.
51:14
And I'm like, we talking about the same guy, the guy who's been
51:16
on the bench the past two years and they're like, look at his
51:19
size, look at his stat. Like dude, so calm.
51:22
Look at him on the bench. Look how calm he is.
51:24
It's like, yeah, he's sitting on the bench.
51:27
And I I remember back then trying to look up like, what am
51:31
I not seeing? Why the hell was Larry Fedora
51:34
not playing this guy? That was their coach.
51:36
He got fired later for not a great coach, but I'm getting so
51:41
distracted. Basically, he never did
51:44
anything. He hadn't done anything.
51:47
It was all just, oh, he did really well in high school and
51:50
some scouts saw him. And then it just became that,
51:53
like, the hype got out of control.
51:55
People are like, no one's really seen him play yet.
51:57
But like, from everything we've seen, this guy can really ball
52:00
out. He's really special.
52:02
Might be even, you know, a little under the radar.
52:04
And then everyone started talking about him and I
52:06
remember, I mean, he finished like he was.
52:08
I think he threw like 30, two 3600 yards, 30 touchdowns, 6
52:14
picks. I'm like average.
52:16
Like like you're a starting quarterback.
52:18
And then he got drafted crazy high over who were the other
52:22
guys at Deshaun Watson was in that Patrick Mahomes.
52:25
Granted Patrick Mahomes was not Patrick Mahomes at that time.
52:28
You can say, Oh no, how could you skip over Patrick Mahomes?
52:31
Like, dude, Kermit the Frog playing at Texas Tech, Like, I'm
52:34
sorry. It's not.
52:36
No one was like, this is the guy.
52:39
But I just feel bad because Trubisky never really had a shot
52:43
to prove himself. He was kind of just riding that
52:47
high and he's like who is he going to be to?
52:49
Who is he to be the guy to be like, hey guys, you guys are I'm
52:53
not that great. You know, like you guys haven't
52:55
even seen me play that much. You know, I've only started for
52:57
one season and you guys are going to put me up there because
53:00
I have good athleticism. Like, I mean, not even
53:02
athleticism, size, form, weight, like that's like any guy off the
53:08
street could have that. That doesn't mean he's going to
53:09
be a good quarterback. And the one season he's had to
53:11
play wasn't anything special. So I just feel like a lot got
53:15
put on him and then he came in to Chicago like he didn't turn
53:20
the franchise around. Neither has any other
53:23
quarterback in their entire. History.
53:25
The bars. Anyway.
53:28
Yeah, he's not that great, but you guys, the Chicago Bears are
53:32
idiots for thinking he was anything more than that and
53:35
they're going to put it on him. Do this as you guys, you guys
53:38
suck. You guys sold the farm for this
53:40
man, this mediocre man who's a good guy, cool guy, not worth
53:44
all that. And then you put it on him
53:46
instead of looking at yourself for misjudging, miss evaluating
53:50
this guy. You're like, no, he sucks.
53:52
He screwed us. He drafted himself and paid
53:55
himself all that money to screw us.
53:58
Screw the Bears, dude. I apologize.
54:01
Do you guys think that's the worst?
54:04
Do you guys think that's? Do you guys think the Mitch
54:06
Trubisky trade is the worst trade?
54:09
Robert Rest in the third head would like to enter the call
54:11
here. That trade, that trade's got to
54:14
be way worse, especially for the production.
54:17
I mean, I guess the the he did. Get more injured though, like
54:21
he. The reason his career was short
54:23
is because of his injury though. OK.
54:25
And what the best, best abilities availability, right?
54:28
I know, but nobody could have predicted that.
54:30
Didn't he have ACL injuries at Baylor?
54:32
Did he have did he have any problems his whole career?
54:35
Do you? Remember when they had all those
54:37
commercials for the Heisman for RG3 like the most interesting
54:40
man in college football? Do you guys remember those?
54:43
Jeez, the Bears sent over to the third overall pick for the next
54:48
year. Third round, fourth round and
54:50
another third round. Sorry, didn't catch up.
54:52
He tours ACL as a sophomore year in college and then later and
54:56
did that in 2009 and in 2013. Torn again.
54:59
We can't say we're surprised. I don't know.
55:02
Do you think that's worse than the Bears trading for Trubisky?
55:05
I don't know if it's worse, but it's up there.
55:09
It's not worse than the it's not, Oh, I got it.
55:12
It's not worse than the trade. Lance Trade the worst.
55:17
Trade the worst. Trade hey hey, trivia question
55:21
who did The Who did the Niners take third overall in the 2017
55:27
draft is. That the forest Buckner.
55:28
Right after Trubisky. It's the forest, Buckner.
55:30
No? Are you asking or talent?
55:33
I'm wondering, well, I know it's.
55:34
Not an answer. Usually when you ask a tribute
55:37
question, you have an answer. If I ask.
55:40
Him a question. I'm not going to waste your time
55:42
when I know the answer. Solomon, Thomas.
55:44
OK, Solomon Thomas. Were they on the verge of
55:47
picking Trubisky? I'm just now reviewing what they
55:50
traded that the Bears had the third overall pick and they in
55:55
order to get the second overall pick, they gave the Niners their
55:59
pick right after them, and then a third, a fourth, and another
56:02
third round pick. Were the Niners about to pick
56:05
him? Yeah, but the way that works is
56:08
that the bears get word, probably from the Niners, that
56:12
somebody else is trying to trade into that spot.
56:15
Hey, man, we're trying. We're feeling other calls for
56:17
this. And so they feel like they.
56:18
It's a fear tactic. You're afraid you're going to
56:20
lose your guy, so you have to move up one spot for it.
56:24
It's business. Dang, well, I was I was being
56:26
mean to the bears. You're going this is this is
56:29
violent, dude. That's the bears suck.
56:33
Why would you do that unless they were going to pig?
56:35
Oh my gosh. All right, let's move on.
56:41
All right, we'll finish this off.
56:43
That seems oddly sexual. Finish this off.
56:50
The same time. Anyway, I picked Darren
56:52
McFadden, Arkansas Razorback legend.
56:56
In three years, he had 4500, almost 4600 rushing yards and 41
57:02
touchdowns in the SEC. And this is back 2000 and five
57:05
2000 and six 2007. So back when football was
57:08
football. I know what I said.
57:09
These are This is a guy who played football.
57:12
Here's a guy. He was second in Highland voting
57:14
twice. back-to-back seasons. Last two I believe it was Troy
57:19
Smith and then Tim Tebow. Thank you.
57:23
Which probably should have beat Troy Smith.
57:25
Finished with almost 5000 scrimmage yards.
57:28
I don't believe he started all three years.
57:31
Well, all games, all three years.
57:33
Wait, wasn't Colt Brennan in that Heisman race?
57:36
It's possible he also notably played on the same Arkansas
57:40
Razorback team as Madden legend Peyton Hillis and Felix Jones.
57:45
Now not Madden legend, but played in the same era Arkansas
57:49
team as Felix Jones. He I was trying to watch some of
57:53
his highlights are there today, but they're in standard
57:55
definition and so it's hard to view them on YouTube because who
57:58
wants to watch that garbage anymore?
58:01
What's That's what I'm saying. High is the new low.
58:06
And his what, 10 years in the league, if you count the last
58:09
two where he played four games till now in his last two
58:11
seasons, he only ever had two seasons over 1000 yards because
58:16
he was just regular with injury after injury after injury.
58:18
But when he was in, it was like instant highlight.
58:22
He, he was very effective, fun to watch.
58:26
His problem was fact that he was on the Raiders.
58:28
Honestly, that was that was a big problem.
58:30
He's on the Raiders back when the Raiders were inconsistent,
58:33
we'll call it. Isn't that right now?
58:37
But they've been an inconsistent long enough.
58:38
It is. It's actually consistent now
58:41
from 2008 to this was back. This is back when they had like
58:44
the baseball field in the middle of their stadium.
58:46
Still this is. Back when their inconsistency
58:49
was new from 2. 1000 and eight, 2015 before he really got hurt.
58:55
He totaled 5300 rushing yards to over 2000 receiving yards.
59:00
He he was just an instant highlight.
59:02
He was putting people in the dirt.
59:03
He was, he was doing the things that we see Derrick Henry doing
59:07
now, breaking tackles, pushing people over, all that kind of
59:09
stuff. But before, before his time
59:13
really in college, he was huge in the Wildcat.
59:17
He threw a 13 passing touchdowns at Arkansas in his career.
59:22
He was he was early adopter of the Wildcat formation and never
59:26
really made its way in the NFL. And it's kind of faded out of
59:29
the college game now because obviously with the ball in our
59:31
quarterbacks hands, but there was regular occurrences that he
59:36
was receiving the snap, either handing it off or throwing it or
59:40
running it himself. Just constant highlight machine
59:43
after highlight reel and doing it in in the SEC where he's
59:47
running past Alabama and LSU and all these other big name SEC
59:52
defenses that are supposed to be all time at its Arkansas.
59:57
So I just wish that he had a better opportunity and I'm
1:00:00
afraid that he got the same treatment, but it was more
1:00:03
injuries than anything else. But he just got thrown to the
1:00:06
wayside, which is too bad. His last season he played in one
1:00:10
game, he had one carry, he had negative.
1:00:12
Two rushing yards, yeah, for the MO Dallas Cowboys.
1:00:16
Hey, one of his 2000 yard seasons was was for the Cowboys.
1:00:19
Was 2-3 rushing touchdowns. Comma 1000 yard seasons, not
1:00:23
2000 yard seasons. I would be clear about that.
1:00:26
OK, I'm done being the host. I'm done playing the host
1:00:28
forever. Well, you let you cut off your
1:00:31
camera twice. Yep.
1:00:33
So as soon as I made you host, you were like I.
1:00:35
Didn't do that and. Next time I'll try Avery, see
1:00:38
what happens. It already happened.
1:00:40
You didn't even have to call on me.
1:00:44
All right, let's wrap it up. All right, that's all we have
1:00:46
for today's show. Thanks for tuning into episode
1:00:49
16 of Three Guys 6 Balls. And as always, don't forget to
1:00:52
keep your balls played with. We'll see you next time.
1:00:55
Also, Mark Davis and Sarah Kyle still sucks.