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Disney Movies: Part II · The Recess Bell

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Hey, everybody, this is Justin Greenberg and this is film Real. This
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is part two of our discussion on Disney joining me as my good friend Gina,
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and where we ended last week's episode was right after a tournament to crown
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the best Disney movie out of eight films that I just decided to choose.
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But we're going to get into more of a discussion of Disney films and Disney
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controversies, and it's a deeper episode, so I hope you guys enjoy it.
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Let's get right into it, which brings us to our next discussion.
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These remakes, These Disney remakes. I think it is the laziest thing in
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Hollywood to remake a movie and do nothing with it. If you're going to
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rem because there are some great remakes out there, but you have to change
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it. You take the original story and put a twist on it, take
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some ideas with it. But what Disney does. It takes that original movie
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and it just repeats everything, the same songs, sometimes the same casting.
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James Old Jones came back as Mufasa. It's the same fucking story. So
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what's the point in watching it just because it's live action, which it's not
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live action. Yes, that's what I'm gonna have to disagree with you.
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Dat's think about it, right, let's let's I'm gonna use your argument against
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you. You want something within the plot or something maybe like a revamped like
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if you're gonna remake a movie, don't make it like a copy and paste
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from their original exactly. Let's say let's use a grease for example. Right,
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you have the original grease, and then you have grease to grease to
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his booty cheeks. Grease two is as we will never speak of Greece too.
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Of course, why because they started changing shit. That's the issue.
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When you start changing shit, you now you don't have a direction. But
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that's a sequel. There's difference between a sequel and a remake. True.
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Okay, So if somebody who's like, if somebody said here to you,
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you want to watch the Lion King, what are you thinking? You're thinking
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the animated Yeah, and you just lose some of that emotion because they're trying
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to look like realistic characters in the Lion King remake, so like they look
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like real lines, but you can't really get emotions out of those characters.
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Cartoon characters work, you know, when Simba's crying, you know, you
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can make the eyes bigger, you can make tears come out. It just
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looked like a cat cat yeah, but it didn't like it didn't have the
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emotion. There's very there's stuff you can't do with live action. There's stuff
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you can't even do with CGI that you can do in a hand drawn animation.
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And some of these Disney remakes, I think majority of them rather are
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just lazy bullshit. There's no need for it, and it's all about the
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money. The only reason they make these is because they're creatively. There's there's
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a void, there's a vacuum in Disney where there's no creativity, and they
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know it's an easy buck. People are gonna say, oh, I remember
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Lion King. I'm gonna go watch Lion King again. But this one's more
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different or so. I think it's people that are idiots that are making these
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movies exist. And I think if people just boycott these films, we will
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be far better off in Hollywood. Some of them. I do like some
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of them. It's kind of like, okay, we get like castings change,
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so that's interesting to some form in a way, but to also I
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think that there's a beauty in it in a way of bringing those animations to
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life. Like let's say, for example, we do like a lion King,
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right, but if you have Lion King on Broadway, you know,
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in a way, it's still bringing it to life. It adds kind of
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like a different element to it. So I see in a way the direction
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they were trying to take. I mean, obviously it does nothing beats the
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original, but I do I do agree with you in the sense that is
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just a money grab. It's just to make a quick buck. I have
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no issue with the I've never seen the Broadway show. I've never been to
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a Broadway show, but I would have no issue with that. I think
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that's like it tries weird things, like you know, it's it's actors on
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stilts and it's something different. But there have been some ones that I think
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have taken some risks, or maybe you take a character and you put it
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differ and spin on it, like Maleficent, you know, they tried something
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different with that, or even Cruella. I thought Cruella was actually very good.
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You know. With Emma Stone, I thought, okay, you take
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an existing character and you do something different with it. It's not just a
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shot for shot remake of the original one hundred and one Dalmatians. Now,
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there has been some controversy with some of the casting. I think people were
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up at arms. There was a black woman that was cast as Ariel,
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and people were upset about that. Where do you stand on that? Because
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you are a black woman. Where do you stand on not even with just
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Disney in general, but taking an existing character and just recasting them as a
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black person, or you know, changing the race of somebody just for the
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sake of changing the race, Because I'd be interested in your opinion since you
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actually are a black woman. So where do you stand on this? I'm
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gonna start off with with Little Mermaid and then branch off to the general stance.
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Yeah, Halle Bailey, I think did a phenomenal job. I feel
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like for the role, it had less to do with the way she looked.
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It was more so the talent. Like I felt like her voice,
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she was able to really captivate just the music. I think she was beautiful.
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Her voice was made to do musicals in Broadway and Broadway and things of
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that nature. And I want to flip that because a lot of the people
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who had an issue with it didn't look like people like me. I feel
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like representation matters, and I don't think a lot of people understand that.
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You know, growing up, I didn't have a black princess until I would
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say twenty twelve, and that was the Princess in the Frog. So when
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you can't see yourself as a child, that has an effect negatively on your
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self esteem, on how you view yourself, when you don't see yourself and
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the position you potentially want to be, you know what I'm saying. So,
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and I can simply say, let's say, for example, they made
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a real black Okay, they made Tarzan white if you got to think of
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it. The animation Tarzan was very tan, but when they did the live
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action, they literally made him a white man with blonde hair and blue eyes
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like the furthest thing for what Tarzan actually look like in an animated series,
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and nobody complained about that. So I feel like there's definitely a double standard.
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I mean, look at the society that we live in. I'm not
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surprised that it was controversial, But point me to someone who had the vocal
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range and capability of doing what Holly Bailey did for that movie. That's just
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the one of many examples. I have no issues with it. The movie
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is a movie. If the person fits the role and they can achieve what
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the role is supposed to do, then I have no problem either or so
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I want to just counter argue that that and again I'm a white male for
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people that don't know, So, would you say, though, would you
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rather have an original character? Would that be more impactful? Like why couldn't
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Disney in theory, just create another black princess? So why take the existing
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character? Do you find that to be like pandering, Like they're taking something
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and they're like just put it saying like, Okay, we're gonna create the
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same thing, but just make their black, make that character black, or
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do you not feel like it matters? Would you rather? I don't know.
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The question I guess I'm asking is, would you rather have an original
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character like the girl from The Princess and the Frog. I think that would
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be I feel like a lot of people that are black would rather vet than
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actually just take an existing character and changing the skin color. It's it depends
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like for me personally, it was more so the representation part of it.
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It didn't I don't think it necessarily matters if it was an original character as
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opposed to like, you know, revamping a movie. It was a simple
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fact of like representation. Like I remember seeing the videos of the how they
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were doing the marketing for the movie The Little Mermaid, and how a lot
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of little black girls like they finally felt seen. So it did something to
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them emotionally. We're like, oh my goodness, he's a black princess.
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Because they didn't have the They were young, so they're young to me,
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so they didn't have the luxury of being I would say, what Tim and
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the princess in the Frog coming out, you know, that's something you're seeing
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after the fact, So for them to be in real time that does something
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to a little black girl. The only the only thing that I will say,
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and why I'm a little like weary of Disney doing it is because Disney
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has such a weird checker past. The way I looked at Disney doing this,
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this is just my opinion, especially with Disney, is I imagined a
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huge board meeting like a group of like all these executives and being like,
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hmm, we gotta we gotta make this decision. We need to cast a
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black like it wasn't an organic casting. You don't think it had it.
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Yeah, exactly, Thatsney. I think there are movies out there that do
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change the race of characters. For instance, Tim Burton in the Original Batman,
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he made the character Harvey Dent, who went on to become Two Face.
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He cast Billy d Williams, who's a black man. And I don't
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think he did that because there was a bunch of executives like, we're gonna
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have a black representation. He was just like, I like this actor.
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He's badass. As Lando in the Star Wars movies, I envisioned him as
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Harvey Dent. Where I think with Disney, I think there's a little more
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mischievous reasons as to why something like that happens. I think they're trying to
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check all their marks, like, Okay, we need to get a black
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audience in and this is the reason why we're doing this, and it's not
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done on just this girl's a great actress. So that's the only thing I
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don't like with Disney. But again, she was not the issue with that
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movie. I think the issue with the movie was the movie itself. But
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I thought she did a really good job in it. Exactly, So I
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see both sides to it. I think that at the end of it,
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you know, Disney, you know, they're very hypocritical, They're very wishy
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washy when it comes to race relations. You're just culture and things of that
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nature. So there's a part of me that agrees with you and that aspect,
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like, yeah, of course they did it for a marketing. This
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is the same company. This is company they released the Star Wars movies.
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That's a Disney movie. So in China there's a lot of racism towards black
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people. And they released the Star Wars movie, the Newest One, Episode
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seven. When that came out, there was a character of Finn who's played
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by a black man and in the posters, in the poster though, he's
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like the second biggest guy in the poster. When they released the poster in
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China, they literally edited him to the size of like an ant in the
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background. They edit movies specifically to play k two different cultures, and they've
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removed scenes from Iron Man three from different you know region, So they play
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this race thing, I think very sketchily, and they've been doing it for
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decades, which brings me to another question. There's been a lot of racist
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cartoons in the past, especially in the thirties and forties, not just Disney,
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but Looney Tunes and MGM. You know the Tom and Jerry cartoons.
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Especially during the war period. There's a lot of ant Japanese cartoons that were
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out there. Now, Disney has been very, very weird with a lot
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of their stuff. They release some of it, but there's other stuff that
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they don't release. So for me personally think I think stuff shouldn't be hidden.
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I think we can learn from our mistakes. I think it's I think
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it's personally an issue if you start deleting history, because I think we should
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still learn about Hitler. Hitler is a bad guy, but I don't think
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I think students should still be taught about him. I think people should be
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taught that, Okay, this is how the world was in the thirties and
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it was bad. So I think these cartoons in these movies should be released,
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but maybe have a warning in the beginning, say like, Okay,
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this is the world that was then and it's not that world now. But
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I don't like the idea of a racing art and a racing history, even
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as offensive as it is. I just think it's a part of our history.
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So where do you stand on Disney releasing because Warner Brothers does release a
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lot of their you know, racist cartoons and they have they've had Whoopy Goldberg
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introduced them and say pretty much what I said, you know, this was
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part of our history unfortunately, but we can't erase it. But here's looking
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at it in a modern lens. So do you think that stuff should be
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deleted or this is already stuff that's already been out, that's already been published,
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things of that. Yeah, that's that's it's subjective. Me personally,
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I do understand the time period that that a lot of these things came out
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of me personally, I wouldn't watch it knowing that. I do think that
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there should be some type of warning for sure. I think there should be
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a moment to kind of just bring awareness to that, make make efforts to
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kind of I wouldn't say wash away, but make up for their wrongdoings in
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the past for future endeavors. Uh. But if people like it, I
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mean, it's it's it's very subjective. It's up to you. That's something
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that you're okay with you ing, then that's your decision. I mean,
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they're still they're a company. You got you gotta realize these companies, they're
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they're a business before they're anything else. So the one thing they're gonna make
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sure that they accomplish is meeting their quota. And they don't want to piss
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off advertisers. That's another thing with these companies. So if they release,
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like there's a famous movie called The Song of the South, and you might
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have heard of the song Zippity dooda zipity Day. That's from that movie,
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and Disney has famously that's the one like the iconic movie that they've put in
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a vault. They like, they haven't released that officially since the eighties.
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They used to err on television. I think there was maybe a VHS release
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back in the day, but it hasn't been in any Disney you know plus
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or any of these DVDs or Blu rays. You could get it at like
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comic cons you know, black market sort of things where they sell illegal copies
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of stuff, but you can't get that movie anywhere. But I think if
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it was may like you said, it should be put in the ball And
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I don't think any of that stuff needs to resurface. What about all the
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people that worked on the movie that weren't, like, for instance, maybe
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there was an animator for that movie because there was a hybrid live action slash
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animated movie. Or even the guy who sings Zippity DooDah. I don't know
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the actor's name, but he's an African American guy. His history is sort
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of being deleted, and so are those animators. But again it's also it
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is racist. It is a racist cartoon. So I don't know. My
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biggest thing is not putting it out for like the younger audience to see.
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They don't. It's already something that you that is still prominent in our society
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now that you don't need to view that. You know, there's a different
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time, and because it's a different time, I think there should be more
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consciousness and maybe don't put it on a Disney plus, but I think maybe
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putting it out there with maybe like you need to be of a certain age.
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And because like I said, I still think there should be Hitler documentaries.
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I think, you know, Hitler wrote a book mind Cat. I
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think there should be access to that. The people punintended the access that's a
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funny joke. I think there I think there should be an ability for people
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to look at the stuff and judge it. Again, I think it's terrible
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stuff, but I think they should I think the ability of a racing history,
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I think could be dangerous, but I definitely I fully understand why somebody
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would not want it to be seen, especially by kids. I don't think
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a young kid should be subjected to racist cartoons, but I still think it
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is important to be educated, and so we don't repeat it. It's so
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like, Okay, this is bad. Where can we go from there?
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But uh, we're gonna change tunes. We're gonna we're gonna actually talk about
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some of our favorite Disney movies in general, because we've had our little tournament.
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Is there a movie that wasn't on that list in that bracket that kind
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of stands out as like, all right, this is this was a classic
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in genus household? Or was there one that you kind of hated because there
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were some overrated Disney movies that I never really got. I know you're gonna
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hate me on this one because you texted me these two Ratituey and cars never
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cared for that? Are you kidding me? Not kidding? What in the
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how do you know justice is just no. You gotta be joking right now.
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How do you not like Cars? And and rite a Chowey? I
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think Ride a Twoy is a better movie than Cars. I do. Yes,
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Cars can be a little bit boring, I'll give you that. I
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never I watched them, and I never felt the need to go back and
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watch them. And maybe it's because the time when they came out, I
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was probably like sixteen seventeen years old. You didn't care about his nee at
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that town, but I was still watching cartoons. I was getting high and
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watching you know, Fantasia and all these other classic cartoons. So it's not
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like I was. I never grew up. I still always collect that action
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figures. I still watch cartoons, but I know maybe it's not as nostalgic
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for me as something like a toy story. So I never but up.
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And while He came out around that time, and I love those movies.
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I think they're brilliant. I think they have more of a message where Cars
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doesn't really have that. It's more of like a kid's movie. I don't
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know if there's again, I haven't watched it in a long time, probably
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since it came out, But was there ever like a deeper message in cars,
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It wasn't. It was more just like a kid, you know,
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cars, cars like literally every five year old kids like cars, cars go
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fast. Uh So those ones I've always felt were a little overrated. As
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far as my favorites go, one that we didn't have on this list is
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Hercules the animation. I enjoyed the soundtrack, but it was one of those
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I don't find myself going back. Really. That's when we always went back
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to amazing soundtrack, like a gospel soundtrack. It was good. The soundtrack
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is probably the biggest thing I remember. Yeah, but I saw that one
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in Theatre's really fun action, great characters, Danny DeVito's cast in it.
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One that I think is getting remade into a live action again. Why but
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they're just doing it. And then the two that were on this list that
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I think would round out my top three would be Goofy movie, which we
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mentioned, and I think if we're gonna we're gonna add one other one for
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a classic one, Pinocchio. As far as classic Disney movies go, beautifully
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animated, awesome soundtrack, great message. Jimminy Cricket I think is up there
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with the Genie as the greatest of all animated characters. But my favorite Disney
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slash Pixar movie is the Original Toy Story. It's just it had it had
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such an impact Gene. I wish, I wish I could go back and
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watch that for the first time as a kid, because there was nothing like
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it. There was never CGI. There was no CGI movie before that.
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There was CGI in movies, you know, Jurassic Park and Terminator two had
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scenes with CGI in it, but this was the first fully CGI movie,
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and it blew people away. I think, what, he's an overrated character,
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please, I really he was just annoying him like, I didn't relate
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to it, So I guess that's why I didn't. I didn't really like
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I love his jealousy. He's he's the guy that's being replaced he he had.
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He's supposed to be annoying. I think when you're a kid, you
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know you're root for Buzz. But I think when you get older and you
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become a little more cynical and jealous, and maybe somebody cool comes into your
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world and you hate them, Like everything they do is so cool and everyone
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likes them. Why don't they like me? I think we've all been there
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at some point in our life, and that is Woody. He is like
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the jealous prick who wants Buzz dead, like he's trying to kill him.
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Yeah, and I love the character of Sid, you know, I can
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relate to him. I was always fucking around with my toys and pulling them
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apart, and yeah, exactly. And he's not really a bad kid.
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They vake him. He's just a kid. He doesn't know the toys have
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souls. I mean, he's kind of a dick to his sister, but
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it's not like he's killing living things. He has no idea that these toys
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are sentient beings. And they're bringing there having a fifth Toy Story come out,
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which is so stupid because again there's no idea, and Disney is also
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just like has had a lot of failures in recent so they're trying to just
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get something that is a hit. So they're making a Frozen three, they're
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making a Toy Story one, They're making a Moana two. They're just they're
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making sequel after sequel now because people go to see it. But I want
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to see in Toy Story five. I want a toy to have a full
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on conversation with a human because I think they're bringing back Andy is what the
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rumor is. Why not try something different? Why not would he just be
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like, Yo, I'm fucking I'm alive. Yo liked because like he's talked
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to Sid. I think he was like, we're alive, we see everything.
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That's the only time a toy has smoken to a human. So why
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not try something different? Because again, there's no need to make it,
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but if you are going to make it, at least try something different.
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So, yeah, Toy Story is probably my favorite out of all of these
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movies. Then Hercules a Laddin, I Love, Lion King, and a
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Goofy movie in Pinocchio. Those are like my top five or six movies.
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Is there is there one that stands out as your favorite? Isn't Lion King?
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Ah? Yes, Lion King has to be a number one. I
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would say the amazing Goofy movie or the second sequel the sequel is my is
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my next one? Really? Yeah? That's probably the only one from like
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the decades of the nineties that I would say, Well, no, lion
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Ky not lin Ky was nineties ninety four. Wow, Okay, so those
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two I think those are my only go to when it comes like back to
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back. I like holes. Oh because you like holes? Ye? Which
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hole all? So that's another I want to talk about the you know,
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there's live action Disney movies, you know, whether it's Mighty Ducks or not,
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just these you know, live action remakes, and Disney has made a
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lot of movies. And then there was the Disney Channel, which I never
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had as a kid. I love Disney Channel, and then when I got
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it, I was kind of turned off by it. It was it was
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too clean, it was too cookie cutter. All the kids were like these
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good looking kids and they're like all rich and like there was no edge to
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it, where Nickelodeon specifically in the nineties had diversity. You had you know,
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Keenan Nickel, you had Pete and Peacha, you had like an overweight
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kid. You had all that they had, Like, oh not you liking
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to be inclusive? Yeah, okay, So I like that aspect of Nickelodeon,
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where Disney felt like very white. If I'm gonna put it so bluntly,
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and it just felt like fake laughter and fake The only one that felt
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real was even Stevens. If you ever watch that show with Shila buff from
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Holds that that is the only show that felt like it could have actually been
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on Nickelodeon, But I never got into the Disney channel. I guess I
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guess you did, though, Yes, Hannah Montana's and uh the Wizards of
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Way, which they're bringing back again, because I'm not watching everything brought back.
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There's nothing original, nothing original. Oh Brother, Bear Brother Bear Brother
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the last you know, hand drawn films, which is something that I wish
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Disney would go back to. I know you like your CGI, but there's
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just something to me, there's something different. All CGI movies tend to look
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the same, like they all they can never get a human character to look
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right. So Frozen kind of looks like you know, Mowana, which kind
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of looks like that. But with animation you could get really differing styles.
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You know, something like Hey Arnold on Nickelodeon looks vastly different from the Goofy
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movie, which looks monumentally different from Dragon ball Z. So like with hand
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drawn animation, I've seen the diversity as far as the way things look.
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With CGI, you can do it, but they tend to not take the
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risks. Now, that Spider Man movie that came out a few years ago,
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that that animated. Yeah, that was cool. It is CGI,
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but it looks hand drawn and they took a different twist with it and it
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doesn't look like the other stuff. And the new Ninja Turtles movie that came
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out last year has a unique look to it. So I hope we get
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more CGI movies that look different. But I want Disney to eventually go back
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to hand drawn animation, just once or twice, you know, every decade,
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because that's where they, you know, made their mark. That's their
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bread and butter for ninety years or so, and they've just deviated from that,
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you know, from the last twenty years. So, uh Disney any
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less Disney thoughts. Gina Rock, sand Rock Shand from Goofy movie. Oh
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yeah. As far as the hottest uh animated movie characters, not even we
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don't even need to do Disney. Is there is there anybody that stands out?
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Lola from Sharks, Oh that's where you're going with. You're gonna go
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Lola and judgmental. She's got lips. I suppose, yeah, big ones.
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They were beautiful, lush. I'm like, damn, I'm trying to
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go fishingler in I'll use my worm. That's a pre ball worm. Yeah,
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it's a vibrating worm. Is there is there any other animated characters that
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stand out as this is incredible. We were talking about before the show.
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She could flexible, she could wrap around you. She got the big fat
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ass. She's pretty hot rock sand We mentioned not to get into any beast
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stuff, but Nala was pretty sexy with those eyes. Something something about something
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about the line. She had that look. She had that look in her
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eye. She was asking for you because she shows the belly a little bit.
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Same thing with the Little Mermaid. They show like more skin. I
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feel like I wasn't a fan of the right area. Yes, but the
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tail just didn't. Oh you can't get into that. So you could get
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into a real fish like Angelina Joli, but like a half fish is where
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you draw your leg and toes down. And I think that's where we'll end
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this discussion, Gino. This was so much fun. We sort of went
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all over the place, from doing our bracket to race discussions to sexy fishy.
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That's greaty, that is a great show. You you go from serious
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to bullshit, and I figured, you know, might as well have some
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real discussion. People are afraid that I think it's important to have discussions.
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I think having that race discussion is important because not having the conversations make things
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awkward. But we can have a conversation about, you know, releasing films
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or not releasing films. I think that's a world that we should live in
26:23
where we can have even different If I don't agree with you on something,
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we could still have a discussion on it. And I hope eventually we could
26:30
get back to that in society. But uh, we'll see. I have
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very little faith in this. In this world that we know, you gotta
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have hope. Hope. Hope is probably the one thing that gets us by.
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But I will say that just moving forward, Disney, not only Disney
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is not the only company, but it's one of the ones that are very
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prompt, that's very prominent. It just has to do better. I feel
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like I agree with you in the sense that we we shouldn't erace history,
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but I think the way we go about it, it's what matters the most,
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and the closed mind in this. We need to get back to a
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place where you can you don't have to agree with somebody, but you can
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respect that and at least at least had that conversation. Listens, Somebody listen
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and be receptive and be original. That's what I want Disney to do moving
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forward. Fuck these sequels. The only issue is the original movies that they
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do release don't make the money, and it's all about the money unfortunately.
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All right, Gina, thank you so much, Thank you everybody for listening
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for this additional film reel so long, everybody