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- 0:03Dr. Sarah Gubara (Host):
- 0:03Welcome to Pediatrics in Practice, a CME podcast.
- 0:07I'm Dr.
- 0:08Sarah Gubara.
- 0:09And today, i'm joined by Jennifer Qayum, pediatric optometrist practicing
- 0:15at Children's Mercy in Kansas City.
- 0:17Today, we're discussing pink eye.
- 0:20Dr.
- 0:20Qayum, thank you so much for taking the time to join us this morning.
- 0:25Dr. Jennifer Qayum:
- 0:25Well, thank you for having me.
- 0:27Host: So when we're talking about pink eye, what are the most common
- 0:31causes of pink eye in children?
- 0:34Dr. Jennifer Qayum:
- 0:34When we're talking about pink eye or conjunctivitis, the most common causes
- 0:38are virus, bacteria, or allergies.
- 0:41With virus, we're thinking typically an adenovirus or molluscum or
- 0:46maybe a herpetic infection.
- 0:48Bacteria in kids is typically a strep or a staph infection, and then allergies
- 0:53typically come with the season changes.
- 0:56Host: That makes a lot of sense.
- 0:57How can pediatricians distinguish between these different types, the viral,
- 1:02bacterial, and allergic conjunctivitis?
- 1:05Dr. Jennifer Qayum:
- 1:05The first thing I like to do with a patient who has conjunctivitis is
- 1:10discuss with their caregivers the presentation of the conjunctivitis.
- 1:14Did it start in one eye and then move to the other?
- 1:17If this is the case where it starts unilaterally and then moves to the other
- 1:21eye, it is likely bacterial or viral.
- 1:24In contrast, allergic conjunctivitis is typically presenting bilaterally.
- 1:29Another question I like to ask families is, did the patient have any other
- 1:33systemic symptoms, such as an upper respiratory infection or an ear infection?
- 1:37If that's the case, I would be leaning more towards a diagnosis
- 1:41of a viral or bacterial infection.
- 1:44But if the patient's been sneezing a lot and has an itchy throat,
- 1:47I'm thinking more about allergies.
- 1:49Other things I ask the family, you know, did the patient have contact
- 1:53with anyone who has conjunctivitis?
- 1:55Because again, then I'm thinking more of a contagion, which
- 1:58would be a bacteria or virus.
- 2:00Or did the red eyes occur with the season change?
- 2:03Again, that would be allergic.
- 2:05Are there any associated rashes around the eye?
- 2:08Then, I'm thinking of maybe a herpetic infection or a molluscum or impetigo.
- 2:14Are there styes?
- 2:16If there are styes associated with the red eye, often I'm thinking of a condition
- 2:20called blepharokeratoconjunctivitis, or we shorten that to BKC.
- 2:25And that's an inflammation of the oil glands of the eyelids
- 2:28that causes a recurrent red eye.
- 2:31So once I've talked to the family more about the presentation of
- 2:34the conjunctivitis and how the patient is feeling, then I'm going
- 2:39to try to examine the patient.
- 2:41And the presenting signs of conjunctivitis can differ slightly based on the cause.
- 2:46If the pediatrician is able to look at the inside of the eyelid, this is called
- 2:50the palpebral conjunctiva, then the types of bumps that you see on the inside
- 2:56of the eyelid are slightly different.
- 2:58Now, for me as an eye care provider, I have extra tools in my exam room
- 3:02that makes it easier to see these.
- 3:03So, it can be tricky as a pediatrician to view these.
- 3:07But for a bacterial and allergic conjunctivitis, the bumps on the
- 3:11inside of the eyelid on that palpebral conch are typically more red overall
- 3:16because the vasculature of those bumps goes over the whole bump.
- 3:21These are called papillae.
- 3:23In contrast, a viral conjunctivitis typically presents with follicles,
- 3:28and these look like little blisters on the inside of the eyelid.
- 3:31Because for follicles, the vasculature goes around the
- 3:35bump instead of over the bump.
- 3:38Now, realistically, like I said, I have extra tools in my exam
- 3:41room to help me visualize these.
- 3:42And also, pediatric patients don't love having their eyelids pulled on.
- 3:47So then, I'm observing for any discharge associated with the conjunctivitis.
- 3:52A bacterial conjunctivitis typically presents with a yellow or green mucus
- 3:56discharge, while the viral conjunctivitis and the allergic conjunctivitis are
- 4:01both usually more watery or teary.
- 4:04So, those are the main things that I'm looking at trying to help me determine
- 4:08what the cause of this conjunctivitis is.
- 4:10It's kind of a funny branching graph in my head of unilateral versus bilateral,
- 4:15what type of discharge, when did it start?
- 4:18But those types of things can help us distinguish between
- 4:21the types of conjunctivitis.
- 4:23Host: Thank you for walking us through the different parts and
- 4:26how to distinguish between them.
- 4:28When are antibiotic eye drops actually needed?
- 4:32Does it depend on the type of conjunctivitis?
- 4:36Dr. Jennifer Qayum:
- 4:36Yes.
- 4:36Really, we want to reserve antibiotic eye drops for when there
- 4:41is a bacterial conjunctivitis.
- 4:43So, that would be the patient who they have a pink eye that started in one eye
- 4:48and maybe it moved to the other eye.
- 4:51It typically has that yellow or green mucus discharge.
- 4:55Antibiotics really are not needed for viral or allergic conjunctivitis.
- 4:59And in fact, using antibiotics unnecessarily can really lead to
- 5:02antibiotic resistance in the future
- 5:05Host: What guidance, Dr.
- 5:06Qayum, should we give families about returning to school or daycare?
- 5:11Because it's that season.
- 5:13Dr. Jennifer Qayum:
- 5:13It is.
- 5:14And this is tough.
- 5:15You know, the easy one, if it's allergic, there are no restrictions
- 5:18on returning to school or daycare.
- 5:20You just need to start some allergy eye drops, maybe some cool
- 5:23compresses, and you're good to go.
- 5:25If it's bacterial, again, that one's not too tough because the
- 5:29patient is not contagious after being on an antibiotic for 24 hours.
- 5:33So, they can easily go back to school after starting the antibiotic.
- 5:37Where things get really tricky is viral conjunctivitis, because these
- 5:41children can be contagious for seven to 14 days, if not longer, depending
- 5:46on the type of conjunctivitis.
- 5:48But really, let's talk about how it's contagious.
- 5:50Because, you know, there are ways to prevent spreading
- 5:54this viral conjunctivitis.
- 5:56For the conjunctivitis to spread, the patient has to rub their eye, get the
- 6:02virus on their hand, then touch something like a pencil, then their friend uses that
- 6:08same pencil and touches their own eye.
- 6:11So, for older patients, I counsel them on how this conjunctivitis is
- 6:16spread, and I advise them on how to have proper hand hygiene, wash hands
- 6:21frequently, don't touch their eyes.
- 6:24And within the household, I really recommend that families change all the
- 6:28sheets on the beds, wash all the towels, make sure that siblings aren't sharing any
- 6:33of those things or stuffies or clothes.
- 6:37But, you know, for younger patients, it gets really tricky.
- 6:40So, I'm thinking of, like, the toddlers, the infants because often these
- 6:45viral conjunctivitis, they're just getting passed around the classroom.
- 6:48And realistically, most parents can't be out of work for two weeks while
- 6:52their child gets rid of the contagion.
- 6:54So, I give them as much education as I can and advise them to use
- 6:58their best judgment possible.
- 7:00Host: I love that.
- 7:01Education is so important.
- 7:03What red flags warrant a referral to an eye specialist when it
- 7:09kind of goes above and beyond?
- 7:11Dr. Jennifer Qayum:
- 7:11The times when I become concerned with a pink eye is if the cornea,
- 7:17that clear front part of the eye, becomes cloudy either in one
- 7:20section or over the entire part.
- 7:23That warrants an immediate referral, because we're thinking at that
- 7:27point maybe there's a corneal ulcer or maybe there's a uveitis.
- 7:31Maybe this is more than just conjunctivitis.
- 7:35Also, if the patient is describing decreased vision, that would be concerning
- 7:39because a typical conjunctivitis or pink eye should not cause decreased vision.
- 7:44And another note is if the treatment you have initiated does not seem to be working
- 7:50or if the pink eye is recurrent, that is again concerning and I think would warrant
- 7:56a referral to an eye care provider.
- 7:59Because again, we just have more tools in our exam rooms to help us look
- 8:02more closely at the eye to maybe help identify what's going on with the eye.
- 8:07Host: Thank you so much for sharing all of this wonderful information with us.
- 8:12We are thrilled to have you.
- 8:15Dr. Jennifer Qayum:
- 8:15Thank you very much.
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- 8:42I'm Dr.
- 8:43Sarah Gubara.
- 8:44And this has been Pediatrics in Practice, a CME podcast.