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Murder In Moscow: Bryan Kohberger And The Rubber Gloves · Beyond The Horizon

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  Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome back to the program. When
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  Speaker 1: Brian Koberger was arrested in Pennsylvania, we had little detail
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  Speaker 1: about what happened. We didn't know anything about the search warrant.
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  Speaker 1: We didn't know anything about the affidavit. And we certainly
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  Speaker 1: had no idea what was taken from the home during
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  Speaker 1: the execution of that search warrant. Well, that Pennsylvania search
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  Speaker 1: warrant was unsealed a few days ago. And what we
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  Speaker 1: learned from that search warrant was pretty damn interesting. Some
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  Speaker 1: of the items that were taken seemed to be relatively significant. Now,
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  Speaker 1: are they going to turn out to be a game changer?
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  Speaker 1: Who knows? We'll have to wait for the results and
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  Speaker 1: we'll have to wait for trial before we hear anything
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  Speaker 1: about that. But it seems that they got a treasure
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  Speaker 1: trove of items from Brian Koberger's parents' house when they
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  Speaker 1: executed that search warrant. And in the article we're about
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  Speaker 1: to dive into, the Monroe County District Attorney's Office, which
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  Speaker 1: is the office that led the raid, well, they're shedding
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  Speaker 1: a little more light on what went down and a
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  Speaker 1: little bit more on Brian Koberger's behavior at the time
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  Speaker 1: of the arrest, what he was wearing, and stuff like that.
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  Speaker 1: And I haven't seen these details really reported in any
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  Speaker 1: of the major mainstream media outlets that have been following
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  Speaker 1: the case. So I thought it was pretty interesting to
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  Speaker 1: stumble upon this article and get a little bit more
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  Speaker 1: context as to what went down during that arrest. And
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  Speaker 1: I wonder if body cam footage is ever going to
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  Speaker 1: become available to the public from that arrest. You know
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  Speaker 1: that the police were wearing body cams when they executed
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  Speaker 1: that search warrant. So I wonder if we're ever going
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  Speaker 1: to get access to what those videos show. Maybe in
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  Speaker 1: court we'll get that access, but certainly not with a
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  Speaker 1: gag order and certainly not on the local news. So
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  Speaker 1: with that said, Let's take a look at this article
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  Speaker 1: real quick at BRCTV 13, a local news station down
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  Speaker 1: in Monroe, and let's see what author Nicole Walters has
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  Speaker 1: for us. We're learning more details about the investigation of
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  Speaker 1: the Chestnut Hill Township man charged in the killings of
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  Speaker 1: four University of Idaho students. An unsealed search warrant reveals
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  Speaker 1: more about what the police were looking for at Brian
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  Speaker 1: Kohlberger's home and what they found on him when he
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  Speaker 1: was arrested in December. It's been two months since Brian
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  Speaker 1: Kohlberger was arrested at his parents' home. Now, for the
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  Speaker 1: first time, Monroe County officials are sharing what he was
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  Speaker 1: doing when the police found him. Monroe County First Assistant
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  Speaker 1: Michael Mancuso says, Mr. Kohlberger, as with any other criminal defendant,
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  Speaker 1: is presumed innocent until proven guilty in a court of law.
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  Speaker 1: So that remains the case. But certainly for the investigation,
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  Speaker 1: and the interest of the investigators in building the case
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  Speaker 1: layer by layer, that was a significant find. And certainly
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  Speaker 1: some of the items that were removed from this house
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  Speaker 1: could loom large later on down the road. We have
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  Speaker 1: no idea about the knife. We have no idea about
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  Speaker 1: the boots. We have no idea about the goggles or
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  Speaker 1: the shovel or any of that other stuff. and all
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  Speaker 1: it takes is a little bit of DNA to be
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  Speaker 1: on any of that, and these investigators, they're going to
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  Speaker 1: find it, and they're going to tie it back to
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  Speaker 1: Brian Koberger if he's the person that the government's telling
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  Speaker 1: us he is. The search warrant confirms Brian Koberger was
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  Speaker 1: under police surveillance for weeks before he was arrested, and
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  Speaker 1: officials believed he was in possession of items related to
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  Speaker 1: the murder of the four University of Idaho students. Police
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  Speaker 1: raided his family home within Indian Mountain Lakes Estates in
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  Speaker 1: Chestnut Hill Township on December 30th, just before 1.30 in
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  Speaker 1: the morning. The warrant shows he had on him, at
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  Speaker 1: the time, a silver flashlight, four medical-style gloves, a large t-shirt,
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  Speaker 1: Arizona Gene Company, a large black sweatshirt, Washington State Cougars,
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  Speaker 1: a pair of black and white size 13 shoes, Nikes,
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  Speaker 1: a pair of black socks, Under Armour, black shorts, Under Armour,
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  Speaker 1: black boxers, Under Armour, and one cheek swab. And they
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  Speaker 1: had to get special permission to perform this search warrant
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  Speaker 1: raid at this time of the night. Usually you have
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  Speaker 1: to do it between 6 a.m. and 10 a.m. And
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  Speaker 1: if you want to do a nighttime raid like this,
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  Speaker 1: you have to get the permission of the court. And
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  Speaker 1: the court obviously thought that this was a situation that
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  Speaker 1: warranted it. Mancuso says, Mr. Kohlberger was found awake in
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  Speaker 1: the kitchen area dressed in shorts and a shirt and
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  Speaker 1: wearing latex medical type gloves and apparently was taking his
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  Speaker 1: personal trash and putting it into separate Ziploc baggies. So
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  Speaker 1: we haven't heard that yet. At least I haven't. That
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  Speaker 1: when Brian Kohlberger was arrested, old boy was hanging out
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  Speaker 1: in a pair of shorts, wearing some latex gloves in
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  Speaker 1: the house and separating his trash into Ziploc bags. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that's not suspect. Even the contrarians amongst you out there
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  Speaker 1: have to say to yourself, yeah, that looks real bad
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  Speaker 1: for Brian Koberger. And now I know that a lot
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  Speaker 1: of the same people who were carrying on about Alec
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  Speaker 1: Murdaugh being innocent are the same people carrying on about
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  Speaker 1: Brian Koberger being innocent. And the evidence just isn't lining
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  Speaker 1: up with any of that. And then you hear about
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  Speaker 1: this dude, make him pretend he's in the movie Men
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  Speaker 1: at Work and separating his trash into Ziploc baggies. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that's not suspect or anything like that. And that's not
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  Speaker 1: going to look real bad in front of the jurors. Remember,
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  Speaker 1: everything is about what's going to happen in that courtroom
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  Speaker 1: and what those jurors are going to think or say.
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  Speaker 1: And when they hear that Brian Koberger was arrested wearing
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  Speaker 1: some latex gloves in the middle of the night while
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  Speaker 1: he was sorting his trash, putting it into Ziploc bags
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  Speaker 1: and then putting it into the neighbor's bins while he's
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  Speaker 1: under surveillance and suspected of four homicides, probably not going
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  Speaker 1: to look great. in front of the jury, and I'm
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  Speaker 1: willing to go out on a limb, like I was
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  Speaker 1: with the Alex Murdoch case, that this is going to
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  Speaker 1: play out real bad for Brian Kohlberger when it comes
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  Speaker 1: to trial time. Mancuso tells us that discovery cleared up
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  Speaker 1: another part of the investigation. Mancuso says the trash pull
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  Speaker 1: that was done days before recovered DNA profiles, but not
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  Speaker 1: from him, only from his family members. So in layman's terms,
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  Speaker 1: what they're saying here is they were befuddled. How is
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  Speaker 1: it we're doing a trash poll, but we're not getting
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  Speaker 1: Brian Kohlberger's DNA, but we're getting all of his family members? Well,
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  Speaker 1: this explains it. He was putting it in those baggies
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  Speaker 1: so that he could throw the investigation off. Bro knew
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  Speaker 1: he was under investigation. He knew what he'd done, and
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  Speaker 1: he was trying to cover his tracks. That's what they're
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  Speaker 1: asserting here. State police say they were looking for anything
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  Speaker 1: that may shed light on the mental state of Koberger
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  Speaker 1: or the victims, including drugs or medication, but were told
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  Speaker 1: these actions speak for themselves. Mancuso says it could very
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  Speaker 1: well explain some of the other aspects of the case
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  Speaker 1: from Idaho, some of the lengths that a person would
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  Speaker 1: go to avoid having their DNA left behind when they
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  Speaker 1: know or should have known that there was an investigation underway.
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  Speaker 1: And when we heard that Brian Kohlberger was spotted wearing
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  Speaker 1: latex gloves at the grocery store, of course, people right
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  Speaker 1: away were like, well, it's because of COVID. That's why
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  Speaker 1: he's wearing these gloves. Well, how do you explain it
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  Speaker 1: this time around? Is it because of COVID that he
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  Speaker 1: was wearing these rubber gloves while hanging out in his
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  Speaker 1: parents' kitchen? Or could it be that he was wearing
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  Speaker 1: rubber gloves to try and hide his DNA? You tell
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  Speaker 1: me what sounds more reasonable. As far as the other items,
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  Speaker 1: two could play a big role in court, Mancuso says.
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  Speaker 1: I would be keen on the shoes, the size of
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  Speaker 1: the shoes, and the comparison to any shoe impressions that
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  Speaker 1: might have been recovered at the scene, that sort of thing.
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  Speaker 1: So I'm sure from the latent footprint, they're going to
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  Speaker 1: be able to tell what size that footprint is, right?
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  Speaker 1: And the style of shoe certainly looks to be a
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  Speaker 1: pair of Vans, but we haven't had confirmation on that.
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  Speaker 1: So while it's likely that it was a pair of
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  Speaker 1: Vans that made that shoe print, we have to wait
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  Speaker 1: for confirmation one way or the other. But we're told
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  Speaker 1: the cheek swab is the key. Mancuso says something that
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  Speaker 1: they can compare the DNA of, I believe the snap
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  Speaker 1: button for the sheath of the knife. The Monroe County
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  Speaker 1: District Attorney's Office continues to investigate Kohlberger, and they are
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  Speaker 1: in the process of sharing that information with the Idaho authorities.
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  Speaker 1: Officials tell us the search warrants related to Kohlberger's car
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  Speaker 1: and family's home will be released tomorrow morning, and obviously
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  Speaker 1: we have seen those already. But this was an interesting
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  Speaker 1: article for sure. The fact that Kohlberger was hanging out
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  Speaker 1: at 1.30 in the morning with some latex gloves on
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  Speaker 1: is something that they're going to have to explain, especially
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  Speaker 1: considering what he was doing while he was wearing those
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  Speaker 1: latex gloves. It wasn't like he was sitting around and,
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  Speaker 1: you know, role-playing or something. He was sorting through trash
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  Speaker 1: and trying to conceal his DNA profile. And as we
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  Speaker 1: continue to add all of this to the growing list
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  Speaker 1: of damning information against Brian Kohlberger, it becomes harder and
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  Speaker 1: harder to look at this dude and say, yeah, you
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  Speaker 1: know what, he might be innocent. Now, of course, we
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  Speaker 1: have to wait for the trial, right? Everybody is innocent
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  Speaker 1: until the jury says they're not. even scuzzballs like Alex
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  Speaker 1: Murdaugh and Ghislaine Maxwell. So we'll have to wait to
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  Speaker 1: see what the jury says. But the totality of the
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  Speaker 1: evidence that we're... privy to is massive and if they
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  Speaker 1: have anything even close to it behind the scenes then
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  Speaker 1: I have no idea how Brian Koberger and his lawyers
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  Speaker 1: think they're going to get him off here so as
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  Speaker 1: we await for that strategy to unfold we'll continue to
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  Speaker 1: follow along and swim through all of this muck trying
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  Speaker 1: to get to some clarity. All right, folks, that's going
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  Speaker 1: to do it for this one. All of the information
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