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The Late Debate | 28 July · The Late Debate

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  Speaker 1: Wait wait, welcome the Late Bay.
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  Speaker 2: Well, good evening, thanks for joining us.
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  Speaker 3: I'm James Macversus with the Nika to Georgio and Caleb Bond.
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  Speaker 3: It's been a massive news day today. I'm curious. Were
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  Speaker 3: you too glued to the news all day or did
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  Speaker 3: you get out a little bit.
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  Speaker 4: I'd say a bit of both.
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  Speaker 2: Clear head.
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  Speaker 4: I had to clear my head before obviously I came
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  Speaker 4: on our beautiful show. But no, just huge breaking news
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  Speaker 4: everywhere today. Huge. I mean you're in Victoria.
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  Speaker 2: Whoa it will get into all of that shortly news years,
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  Speaker 2: isn't it. Did you get out and about today came?
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  Speaker 1: No? No, I didn't clear my head.
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  Speaker 5: I just had it become chock full of all this gear,
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  Speaker 5: you know, so I can come here and tell you
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  Speaker 5: all the things I've been thinking about all day.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, this is a wonderful.
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  Speaker 5: Part of doing this show, right, is that you get
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  Speaker 5: to think about things all day and then instead of
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  Speaker 5: you know, going home after work to have some sort
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  Speaker 5: of significant other who'd rather you shut up, I get
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  Speaker 5: to come and talk to thousands of people every night
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  Speaker 5: and they actual want to listen.
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  Speaker 1: It's amazing.
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  Speaker 3: Did Caleb just refer to us as his significant others.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, this is a big moment. Thank you.
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  Speaker 2: It was a big newsday. Here's what's coming up tonight.
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  Speaker 3: Victoria of course has a new unelected premier. But will
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  Speaker 3: this unelected premier be any different to the last unelected premier.
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  Speaker 3: We'll get into all of the labour, chaos and confusion.
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  Speaker 3: Thanks Anthony Albanezi shortly. Police will guard Britain's largest gay
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  Speaker 3: pride parade after police confirmed the Berlin event was attacked
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  Speaker 3: by an Islamist And do we need to save our
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  Speaker 3: pubs with young people swapping schooners for squats, barstools for
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  Speaker 3: bar bells and a Friday night at the local for
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  Speaker 3: a Friday night counting protein grams? Is the Aussie pub
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  Speaker 3: an endangered species. We'll get to all of that shortly,
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  Speaker 3: but first, One Nation is set to announce more than
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  Speaker 3: seventy candidates for the Victorian election after receiving one thy
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  Speaker 3: two hundred applications from people eager to represent the party.
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  Speaker 3: Here's the One Nation leader taking questions from a live
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  Speaker 3: studio audience here on News twenty four just a few
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  Speaker 3: moments ago.
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  Speaker 6: Shn I tell you for Victoria, we've had twelve hundred
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  Speaker 6: expressions of interest in Victoria for candidates the seat of
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  Speaker 6: Pharaoh that we won. We had eighty one expressions of
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  Speaker 6: interest for that the federal so far fifteen hundred.
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  Speaker 3: Now Paul and Hanson declined to nominate one nation's Victorian leader,
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  Speaker 3: but to be fair, the Victorian Labor government only nominated
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  Speaker 3: their leader today, So Caleb, I think we can excuse
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  Speaker 3: her on that one.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe a point.
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  Speaker 5: Actually, I have to say, I think Paul and Hanson
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  Speaker 5: handled herself pretty well through that hour. Notwithstanding, I think
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  Speaker 5: it was largely people who were probably of a one
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  Speaker 5: nation mind to begin with, who were talking to her.
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  Speaker 5: So there's always going to be an easier crowd than
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  Speaker 5: it is to talk to a hostile one. But these
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  Speaker 5: are the moments I think that become important for Paul
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  Speaker 5: in Hanson because you look at the lead up to
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  Speaker 5: any election, right, and we always have the people's forums
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  Speaker 5: where people get a chance to come and ask questions
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  Speaker 5: of the opposition leader in the prime minister or in
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  Speaker 5: the case of a state election, the opposition leader and
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  Speaker 5: the premiere and other TV networks do things like this
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  Speaker 5: as well, and it's in those moments where you get an.
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  Speaker 1: Idea of the character of a leader.
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  Speaker 5: You know, it's one thing to talk about the policy,
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  Speaker 5: and you can sort of repeat stuff by wrote learning
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  Speaker 5: as to what a policy is, and then refuse to
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  Speaker 5: veer from that. But you get an idea of how
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  Speaker 5: a leader deals with real people, which is something that
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  Speaker 5: paul In Hanson is very good at, and you get
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  Speaker 5: to an insight into how their mind works in those situations.
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  Speaker 5: And what I saw in that hour was not Pauline
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  Speaker 5: Hanson doing the typical politician thing, which is repeating by
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  Speaker 5: wrote learning what she's heard. She actually engaged with the questions.
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  Speaker 5: She listened to the questions and addressed them directly, not
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  Speaker 5: you ask this question, so let me kind of veer
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  Speaker 5: off in this direction so I can give you the
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  Speaker 5: answer I want to give you based on something else
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  Speaker 5: you just said. Okay, you told me that here's what
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  Speaker 5: I think about it, which I think is great.
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  Speaker 1: This is a large part.
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  Speaker 5: Of why people like paul Enhanson, why they like one nation,
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  Speaker 5: because they see a different version of politics. One of
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  Speaker 5: the other things she was asked about, an example.
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  Speaker 1: Of the way she treated all of this, She.
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  Speaker 5: Was asked about welcomes to country. Now, of course we
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  Speaker 5: broadly know what paul Enhanson thinks about welcomes to country,
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  Speaker 5: but she expanded upon what she would do in government.
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  Speaker 6: I think it's an divisive and I do not believe
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  Speaker 6: in having welcome to country, and it wouldn't be you
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  Speaker 6: can't stop people if businesses want to do it, all right,
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  Speaker 6: but in government departments, I wouldn't have a welcome to
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  Speaker 6: country on the bottom of their literature or their sheets
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  Speaker 6: of paper they put out all on government websites, and
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  Speaker 6: I wouldn't be having it in educational system schools. I'd
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  Speaker 6: shut it all down.
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  Speaker 5: You know, someone's asked a question, she gives a real answer.
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  Speaker 5: And I know people some people are critical I suppose
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  Speaker 5: of this aspect of one nation that they don't have,
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  Speaker 5: you know, long form formulated policies written down on paper yet.
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  Speaker 5: But that's actually a lot of what people like about
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  Speaker 5: the mob, whether you like it or not, they like
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  Speaker 5: that stuff, and I think she showed that well this evening.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I agree. I think one of Pauline Hanson's biggest
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  Speaker 4: strengths is that she can be very relatable and very
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  Speaker 4: personable when she speaks. In that sort of an environment,
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  Speaker 4: many other politicians would go with their spin lines. If
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  Speaker 4: that was Anthony Albanesi doing a Q and A. You
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  Speaker 4: would hear labor, labor, labor, labor, and you'd hear the
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  Speaker 4: same old policies. He'd be talking at you, not talking
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  Speaker 4: with you. But I do think that that's one of
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  Speaker 4: Pauline Hanson's strength. And even tonight she was asked about
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  Speaker 4: the fish and chip shop that she used to own.
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  Speaker 4: Do you still go back there? Have you been back there?
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  Speaker 4: And she and she has. She said that she has
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  Speaker 4: gone back since it's very special to her two children.
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  Speaker 4: So as a woman who used to be a small
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  Speaker 4: business owner, she can relate to the business issues that
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  Speaker 4: are going on right now in Australia, whereas a lot
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  Speaker 4: of politicians have no business experience whatsoever, and why anyone
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  Speaker 4: would want to go into business right now under labor.
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  Speaker 4: A few points that I would make. Firstly, I found
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  Speaker 4: her comments about candidates in Victoria to be very very interesting.
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  Speaker 4: We've got a situation now where parties are crying out
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  Speaker 4: for membership and for people to sign up to go
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  Speaker 4: on board, and the fact that one nation not having
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  Speaker 4: any issues in Victoria, I thought that was interesting. However,
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  Speaker 4: it has to be the right sort of candidates that
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  Speaker 4: they sign up. There was a viewer who put in
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  Speaker 4: an email and said that they were unimpressed by the candidates.
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  Speaker 4: I can't remember which election it was, and they said
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  Speaker 4: that it just deterred them from ever voting one nation.
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  Speaker 4: And I do think that that has been a real
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  Speaker 4: saw point for one nation. They're candidates. I don't know
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  Speaker 4: what's going on with the voting process, but some of
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  Speaker 4: them you just think, where on earth did you pull
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  Speaker 4: this local woman from? So I think that that's the
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  Speaker 4: big one. But Pauline Through and Through was Australian first
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  Speaker 4: in our comments about the welcomes to country. But the
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  Speaker 4: big one, of course was migration and continues to be migration.
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  Speaker 4: And here is her addressing it tonight.
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  Speaker 6: Got about one hundred and fifty thousand people who are
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  Speaker 6: homeless in Australia and there's no potential for the younger
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  Speaker 6: generation coming through and owning their own home. So everything
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  Speaker 6: comes down housing, your supply and demand. Now, those people
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  Speaker 6: skilled migrants, and I'll give you these figures. Between twenty
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  Speaker 6: two and twenty three we brought in seven hundred and
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  Speaker 6: thirty nine thousand people of that and they said, oh,
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  Speaker 6: we need to skill migrants for a housing. Of that,
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  Speaker 6: only fifty one thousand, six hundred and five were actually skilled,
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  Speaker 6: and of that only eighteen hundred in the construction industry.
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  Speaker 6: It's been a scam. We've got to be smart. So
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  Speaker 6: many people from around the world want to come to
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  Speaker 6: Australia selective and who we bring in people who are
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  Speaker 6: going to help her build our nation with productivity, not
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  Speaker 6: drag us down end up on our welfare system.
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  Speaker 4: Well exactly. And we can't just have our borders open
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  Speaker 4: to anyone, and we can't just let anybody in because
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  Speaker 4: what we have seen is that some people have been
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  Speaker 4: let in who just are completely incompatible with our own values.
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  Speaker 4: So I thought it was a really interesting discussion, and
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  Speaker 4: I thought that she came across very strongly in her wording,
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  Speaker 4: very very strongly tonight.
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  Speaker 3: It's funny because so many in the media try to
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  Speaker 3: paint Pauling Hanson as a bigot, as a hater, as divisive.
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  Speaker 3: Then you sit and listen to her for an hour
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  Speaker 3: interacting with people, and as you said, her people's skills
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  Speaker 3: are actually a strength, which is the opposite you would
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  Speaker 3: think if you listen to certain segments of the media
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  Speaker 3: just in terms of their candidates or the people applying
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  Speaker 3: twelve hundred people applying to run for One Nation in Victoria.
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  Speaker 3: I heard a little room of the other week that
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  Speaker 3: you know there's police shortages in Victoria. Well, if all
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  Speaker 3: the police applying to be One Nation candidates in Victoria
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  Speaker 3: become candidates, then they'll really have some police shorteness, because
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  Speaker 3: apparently there's quite a lot of police officers saying hey,
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  Speaker 3: I'd be a One Nation candidate. So make of that
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  Speaker 3: what you will now, but they're not short of possibilities.
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  Speaker 2: The question will be, and it's an ongoing one.
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  Speaker 3: Can they get those decisions right and get some quality
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  Speaker 3: people who will not only be quality, but will be
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  Speaker 3: their long term that's the big question.
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  Speaker 5: Indeed, And can they get the infrastructure up and running
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  Speaker 5: for a state election that is four months away because
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  Speaker 5: you know, as you noted before, which we'll talk about
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  Speaker 5: just a moment.
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  Speaker 1: And of course, Labor and he decided on their leader
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  Speaker 1: for the elect today.
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  Speaker 5: But of course the advantage Labor has is that they're
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  Speaker 5: in government and they have a machine and all this
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  Speaker 5: stuff that One Nation simply doesn't have. And the challenges,
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  Speaker 5: I mean, you can look at South Australia as an
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  Speaker 5: example where on first preferences, One Nation actually did better
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  Speaker 5: than the Liberals did, but they won fewer seats than
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  Speaker 5: the Liberals did and of course got nowhere near forming
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  Speaker 5: a government, let alone the opposition. There were a couple
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  Speaker 5: of seats short of being able to do that.
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  Speaker 1: In fact, I think they've got four.
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  Speaker 5: And the Libs have got five in the lower House,
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  Speaker 5: but the Limbs had more in the upper House, so
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  Speaker 5: they couldn't form opposition even though they had a stronger
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  Speaker 5: primary vote. So if they want to make a serious
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  Speaker 5: go of it in Victoria, they really need to hit
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  Speaker 5: the ground running now and announce a leader and get
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  Speaker 5: out there and campaign on it. And this was one
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  Speaker 5: of the things that was used today by Ben Carroll,
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  Speaker 5: the new Premiere of Victoria, when he said why he
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  Speaker 5: needed to take the job, that the best chance of
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  Speaker 5: stopping a one nation Liberal government was labor. Now, yeah, okay,
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  Speaker 5: I kind of guess that the case is. What you
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  Speaker 5: really mean is that you are the guy to do
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  Speaker 5: the job, not the woman who had it until this morning.
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  Speaker 2: Alan.
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  Speaker 5: Now, of course we talked last night about the fact
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  Speaker 5: that Jacinta Allan was digging her heels in. She didn't
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  Speaker 5: want to go there's a meeting this morning. At ten
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  Speaker 5: am she finally announced she made the decision that she
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  Speaker 5: was going to resign. Now keep in mind, Jacinta Allan
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  Speaker 5: could have dug her heels in further and nominated herself
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  Speaker 5: for the spill, which would have meant that they would
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  Speaker 5: have to go off and do a vote of the
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  Speaker 5: rank and file members of the Labor Party. And if
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  Speaker 5: they'd done that, it would have dragged this thing out
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  Speaker 5: for another six weeks.
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  Speaker 1: And she was considering doing this, but in the end.
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  Speaker 5: She decided, oh, well, I suppose the time has come.
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  Speaker 1: I must go.
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  Speaker 7: After speaking with my colleagues overnight, I've made the difficult
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  Speaker 7: decision to step aside as leader of the Victorian State
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  Speaker 7: Parliamentary Labor Party and as Premier of Victoria. I was
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  Speaker 7: prepared to put my record and my plan to a
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  Speaker 7: ballot of members, as our rules allow. I believe I
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  Speaker 7: would have won.
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  Speaker 1: I believe I would have won, but I'm not going
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  Speaker 1: to do it. Interesting, isn't it.
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  Speaker 5: Nevertheless, Ben Carroll then becomes Premier, not without a little
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  Speaker 5: bit of an interjection from the Attorney General along the way,
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  Speaker 5: who was in going to nominate herself so that they'd
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  Speaker 5: have to go through this six week's process anyway. But
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  Speaker 5: negotiation amongst the factions they sorted that problem out so
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  Speaker 5: they could choose a premier today. They then rush Ben
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  Speaker 5: Carroll off to the acting Governor of Victoria, becas the
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  Speaker 5: Governor's over at the Commonwealth Games. They get it all
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  Speaker 5: through and here he is. Finally he becomes the Premier.
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  Speaker 5: He posted a little message that had been pre recorded
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  Speaker 5: obviously on social media basically the minute after he became
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  Speaker 5: the Premier today.
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  Speaker 8: I am honored and humbled to have been elected unanimously
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  Speaker 8: by my colleagues to serve as the new Premier of Victoria.
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  Speaker 8: Yesterday they asked me to put my hand up to
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  Speaker 8: lead our party, and I agreed. This was not an
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  Speaker 8: easy decision. Our government needs to go in a new
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  Speaker 8: direction on integrity, on community safety, and on the economy.
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  Speaker 8: As Premier, I will deliver that new direction.
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  Speaker 1: And what does that new direction look like? Mister Carroll?
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  Speaker 8: I am not Daniel Andrews. I am not just Cinter Allen.
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  Speaker 8: I will do things differently because different times require a
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  Speaker 8: new approach.
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  Speaker 5: Jeez, that dagger is quite something, isn't I thought it
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  Speaker 5: was really pointed that he said that. I mean he
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  Speaker 5: is after serving, of course, both of those premiers, and
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  Speaker 5: being deputy Premier to Jacinta Allen, who was Daniel Andrews's
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  Speaker 5: pick to replace him. Anyway, he says, I'm not just
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  Speaker 5: Cinda Allen. I'm not Daniel Andrews. In other words, I
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  Speaker 5: don't want a bar of their legacy.
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  Speaker 1: I'm here to set my own agenda.
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  Speaker 5: Because of course he can see that this is what
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  Speaker 5: has eventually become such a problem for the Labor Party
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  Speaker 5: in Victoria.
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  Speaker 1: And I thought the speech he.
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  Speaker 5: Gave when he rocked up to that press conference was
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  Speaker 5: pretty well as good as you could expect it to be.
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  Speaker 5: I think he spoke quite well. He hit the right points.
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  Speaker 5: He said, We're going to have a royal commission. I'm
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  Speaker 5: not Daniel Andrews. I'm not just Inter Allen. He said
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  Speaker 5: the right stuff, but it then kind of came undone
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  Speaker 5: once he started being asked questions, because because this is
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  Speaker 5: the guy who a month ago said, you know, I'm
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  Speaker 5: not going to do anything. I'm not going to be
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  Speaker 5: rolling the premiere. You know, I'm so proud to tell
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  Speaker 5: my young daughter that I'm supporting this female premier of Victoria.
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  Speaker 5: And then of course he was asked, would you look
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  Speaker 5: just inter Allen in the eye and tell her that
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  Speaker 5: you're not going to roll her?
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  Speaker 1: And he looked her in the eye and said, yes,
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  Speaker 1: I'm not going to do it.
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  Speaker 5: So of course that was the first thing he was
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  Speaker 5: asked about today, and he just couldn't let go of
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  Speaker 5: this phrase.
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  Speaker 8: You've promised someone something to their face, happening out promised
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  Speaker 8: things to victorians. The truth is, the circumstances changed, the
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  Speaker 8: circumstances changed.
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  Speaker 2: You declared you're loyalty to her.
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  Speaker 1: At that moment, you were loyal to her.
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  Speaker 8: And the circumstances have changed.
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  Speaker 3: Had the Remia not lost support of her colleagues last.
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  Speaker 8: Month, the circumstances changed, the circumstances changed.
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  Speaker 1: The circumstances have changed. Who knew.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, hey, look, that was the point at which
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  Speaker 5: I thought, oh mate, you are in a bit of
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  Speaker 5: trouble here. Like he looked the peace when he came out,
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  Speaker 5: but the minute they put pressure on him.
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  Speaker 1: He was just like, what do I do?
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  Speaker 3: And the problem is he can't explain what those circumstances were.
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  Speaker 3: We all know what they were. It's called the polling.
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  Speaker 3: That's the only thing that really changed. I think was
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  Speaker 3: it yesterday that the polls said just Cinta Ellen had
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  Speaker 3: a dissatisfaction rating of seventy one percent five around seventy
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  Speaker 3: five percent, whatever it was, she was deeply unpopular.
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  Speaker 2: This is one of the problems that he has.
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  Speaker 3: He says, I'm not Daniel Andrews, I'm not just into Allen,
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  Speaker 3: which raises the question, well, what was wrong with Daniel Andrews?
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  Speaker 3: What was wrong with justint to Allen? Please tell us
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  Speaker 3: what the problem was. When he says we need a
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  Speaker 3: new direction with integrity, is he saying that they were
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  Speaker 3: not integrists. That's why they need a new direction. Because
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  Speaker 3: if they were integris, why a new direction with integrity?
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  Speaker 3: The same goes for community safety, the same goes with
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  Speaker 3: the economy. And in terms of a new direction in integrity.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, this will plague him right through to the election,
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  Speaker 3: won't it.
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  Speaker 2: De Nika that you.
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  Speaker 3: Said to your daughter, I'm proud to support this woman,
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  Speaker 3: and you looked her in the eye and you promised
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  Speaker 3: that you'd be with her through thick and thin. Now
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  Speaker 3: he wants to chart a new direction for integrity.
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  Speaker 2: You're kidding me. You failed at the first hurdle.
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  Speaker 3: And the other thing that amused me was that, as
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  Speaker 3: Caleb said, he talked about the only thing standing between
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  Speaker 3: Victoria and a Liberal one nation government is Labor. Well,
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  Speaker 3: you know, as kids used to stay back at school, Durfreddy,
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  Speaker 3: I mean, obviously you're going to either vote.
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  Speaker 2: Labor or Liberal one Nation.
• 17:17
  Speaker 3: And essentially he's saying that he needed to rescue the
• 17:21
  Speaker 3: Labor Party from the voters, and that's his rationale for
• 17:24
  Speaker 3: taking on the leadership. He's not there because crime is bad,
• 17:28
  Speaker 3: the economy is a disaster, there's corruption everywhere. He's there
• 17:32
  Speaker 3: because if I don't take the reins, we're probably going
• 17:35
  Speaker 3: to lose the next election.
• 17:36
  Speaker 4: But so, what I didn't understand about his speech was
• 17:39
  Speaker 4: that he's tried desperately to distance himself from Jacinta Allen
• 17:43
  Speaker 4: and Dan Andrews. But Ben Carroll was also in both
• 17:47
  Speaker 4: of their cabinets.
• 17:48
  Speaker 2: He was sitting at the big gate, he was.
• 17:49
  Speaker 4: Sitting at the big table. So he's talking about a
• 17:52
  Speaker 4: Royal commission into the construction sector. Well, why now has
• 17:56
  Speaker 4: he only started speaking out about the construction sector when
• 17:59
  Speaker 4: this has been going on for months now, plaguing just
• 18:01
  Speaker 4: into Alan but now only now he's got a problem
• 18:04
  Speaker 4: with it. To me, it just sounds like this is
• 18:08
  Speaker 4: just putting lipstick on a pig, because really this is
• 18:10
  Speaker 4: the same party with a different leader. What difference is
• 18:14
  Speaker 4: it going to make between now and the election. I'm
• 18:16
  Speaker 4: not so sure. What really bothered me though about just
• 18:19
  Speaker 4: Into Alan's speech was that she had a crack that
• 18:22
  Speaker 4: this was being done to her because she was a woman.
• 18:25
  Speaker 4: And she gave this part in comment where she said
• 18:28
  Speaker 4: along the lines of I just want to let women
• 18:30
  Speaker 4: know that if you want to go into politics, don't
• 18:32
  Speaker 4: be deterred by what has happened to me today. And
• 18:35
  Speaker 4: I thought myself, well, hang on a second. Firstly, just
• 18:37
  Speaker 4: into Alan has not been able to find what a
• 18:40
  Speaker 4: woman is throughout her entire premiership. And secondly, playing the
• 18:45
  Speaker 4: gender card even until the last day. This is typical
• 18:49
  Speaker 4: out of the left's playbook that she thinks this has
• 18:52
  Speaker 4: happened to her just because of her gender. No has
• 18:54
  Speaker 4: she had a look at the polling. Has she gone
• 18:56
  Speaker 4: through her own policies to see how diabolical she is?
• 18:59
  Speaker 4: But of course it's the left's playbook. Third point I
• 19:02
  Speaker 4: would make now, it's going to be interesting to see
• 19:05
  Speaker 4: how the opposition changes its strategy. I noticed they'd done
• 19:08
  Speaker 4: a television blitz tonight. A lot of them were on
• 19:10
  Speaker 4: News twenty four throughout our various programs throughout the evening,
• 19:14
  Speaker 4: and their line is saying, well, the Labor Party should
• 19:18
  Speaker 4: have waited till the election and should have given the
• 19:21
  Speaker 4: people a chance to vote, because of course now this
• 19:23
  Speaker 4: is a second Labor leader who has been put into
• 19:26
  Speaker 4: that position without it coming from the people. So that
• 19:29
  Speaker 4: seems to be their line. I'll be very very curious
• 19:33
  Speaker 4: to see how it changes their strategy because it was
• 19:36
  Speaker 4: very easy to plug just into Alan because everything was
• 19:39
  Speaker 4: such a failure. So watch this space. But I think
• 19:42
  Speaker 4: a very good day for the Liberal Party in general.
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: Good day for Victoria in general, I would say.
• 19:47
  Speaker 4: Well, a good day for Victoria in general. Yes, that's it.
• 19:51
  Speaker 4: More redeeming. The very controversial Liberal MP has today announced
• 19:55
  Speaker 4: that she is quitting the Liberal Party, but she will
• 19:58
  Speaker 4: sit on the cross bench of cour after a string
• 20:02
  Speaker 4: of incidents that occurred after she made those accusations against
• 20:06
  Speaker 4: Matthew Guy that he had put her into a headlock,
• 20:10
  Speaker 4: even though he was cleared of any wrongdoing. He is
• 20:12
  Speaker 4: a vision there. He was cleared of any wrongdoing, but
• 20:15
  Speaker 4: then her ongoing refusal to apologize. So what a day
• 20:20
  Speaker 4: to pull the pin. She posted this quote. She said,
• 20:23
  Speaker 4: today I have resigned from the parliamentary Liberal Party and
• 20:26
  Speaker 4: will sit with the cross bench as an independent. I
• 20:29
  Speaker 4: was elected to fight for freedom, fair laws and families,
• 20:32
  Speaker 4: to save our state from the endemic corruption, crushing debt
• 20:36
  Speaker 4: and the rising crime crisis. Labor has got to go.
• 20:39
  Speaker 4: I remain fully committed to seeing that through. Thank you
• 20:42
  Speaker 4: to those who have supported me. Now, my first thought
• 20:47
  Speaker 4: when I saw this, I thought she's picked one of
• 20:50
  Speaker 4: the biggest days in Victorian politics to pull the pin.
• 20:54
  Speaker 4: She's had a long time to pull the pin. You
• 20:56
  Speaker 4: remember the Liberal Party after this incident happened, after matth
• 21:00
  Speaker 4: Guy was cleared, they had that meeting which she tried
• 21:03
  Speaker 4: to stop and I think successfully she did try to stop.
• 21:06
  Speaker 4: But she's picked this big day to try and make
• 21:08
  Speaker 4: herself relevant in the headlines. It was very relevant deprivation
• 21:12
  Speaker 4: syndrome if you ask me, and I actually think it
• 21:15
  Speaker 4: looks poorly on her that she's chosen this day. It
• 21:18
  Speaker 4: makes her out to be almost a sore loser. But
• 21:21
  Speaker 4: she had to go. There was no other options. She
• 21:24
  Speaker 4: brought the Liberal Party into disrepute. I feel and right
• 21:27
  Speaker 4: now the Liberal Party need to focus on the brand
• 21:29
  Speaker 4: and getting through to November. Now that Ben Carroll is
• 21:33
  Speaker 4: the Labor leader, they've just got to go full gun
• 21:37
  Speaker 4: ho for lack of a better word, now without the
• 21:40
  Speaker 4: dead wood that was accompanying the party. It is such
• 21:44
  Speaker 4: a shame because more redeeming spoke about women's rights. More
• 21:48
  Speaker 4: redeeming was at the front of this argument. More redeeming
• 21:51
  Speaker 4: knows what a woman is, understands female biology very well,
• 21:55
  Speaker 4: something just into Allen never was able to do. It
• 21:58
  Speaker 4: is really really a shame. But she did it to herself.
• 22:01
  Speaker 5: Well unfortunately even there are two things she doesn't understand.
• 22:04
  Speaker 5: That's when to give it up and timing. I was
• 22:09
  Speaker 5: flabbergasta that she decided to do this today because I thought,
• 22:14
  Speaker 5: why would you do it today? So like it's one
• 22:17
  Speaker 5: of the biggest news days in Victorian politics since Daniel
• 22:21
  Speaker 5: Andrews left three d years ago and they replaced him
• 22:25
  Speaker 5: with Jacinta Allen. Right, and so you go, okay, there's
• 22:28
  Speaker 5: only two reasons you do it today. One is you
• 22:31
  Speaker 5: think that you are so important that it will generate
• 22:36
  Speaker 5: headlines and it'll be as big as the Ciner Allen thing.
• 22:39
  Speaker 5: And you know, on a day that the Liberal Party
• 22:42
  Speaker 5: sort of wants to make hay while the sun shines,
• 22:45
  Speaker 5: it'll take some of that shine off.
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: Of them, which is just extraordinary.
• 22:52
  Speaker 5: Or you really wanted to bury the fact that you
• 22:54
  Speaker 5: were leaving the Liberal Party, and given the way she
• 22:59
  Speaker 5: has behaved since, of course Matthew Guy was cleared and
• 23:02
  Speaker 5: dug her heels in somehow.
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: I don't think it's the latter. I think she thought
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: it was going to really work today. I'm not sure
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: it's worked out that way well.
• 23:13
  Speaker 3: Perusing the papers late this afternoon, I mean, it was
• 23:16
  Speaker 3: a story, but it's not a bigarely a story. Most
• 23:20
  Speaker 3: newspapers gave it what eight nine paragraphs and really didn't
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: have much to say other than she's become an independent
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: and everybody sort of read it and yawned because we
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: all figured that's probably what was going to happen.
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: I think you're right.
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: I think she thought this will be big news and
• 23:38
  Speaker 3: this will dominate the liberal side of the story today
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: rather than Jess Wilson's response to the new Labor Leader.
• 23:47
  Speaker 2: And I think more redeeming may.
• 23:48
  Speaker 3: Have discovered today that she's become fairly irrelevant now to
• 23:52
  Speaker 3: the political cycle. Good honor will always, I think, be
• 23:55
  Speaker 3: appreciative of what she did with regards women's rights. She
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: certainly gave a lot of publicity and gave it momentum.
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: But she proved to be a bit of a fire crackert,
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: didn't She.
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: A big bright explosion and then a massive fizzle as
• 24:09
  Speaker 3: it all fell away.
• 24:10
  Speaker 4: Absolutely, And yeah, it is a shame because she was
• 24:13
  Speaker 4: at the forefront of the women's rights movements and I
• 24:15
  Speaker 4: think one of the very first politicians to come out
• 24:17
  Speaker 4: so strongly talking about her what a lot of politicians
• 24:20
  Speaker 4: would hide away from talking about what is a woman
• 24:23
  Speaker 4: and still do to this day. But oh well, she
• 24:26
  Speaker 4: did it to us self.
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: It's one of those interesting lessons in life. Right.
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: It always amuses me how the media want to ask
• 24:31
  Speaker 3: Bruce Springsteen what do you think of us politics? Because well,
• 24:35
  Speaker 3: he plays guitar well, therefore he must be an authority
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: on everything else.
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: She should ask him what he thinks of being Carol.
• 24:42
  Speaker 3: Indeed, I think with MOOI redeeming because she made such
• 24:45
  Speaker 3: a mark when it came to women's rights. Everyone assumed
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: she was this great political operator, Whereas it turns out
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: she just had something to say about one issue and
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: you didn't have much insight into much else. Yeah, and
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: everyone went, Oh, that's typically way, is that most people
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: aren't brilliant at everything. They might really hit it out
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: of the park on one thing and then prove to
• 25:04
  Speaker 3: be pretty average on the rest of it. Let's change
• 25:07
  Speaker 3: topic a little bit too. One of Caleb's favorite subjects
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: and that is the pub. He's always trying to get
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: us there after the show because the local pub is
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: where you go to drink beer, tell lies, talk politics,
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: and make questionable decisions. It's an institution and it's a
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: part of ossie life. But in the UK, pubs might
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: not be around that much longer. Between the year two
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: thousand and twenty twenty five, twenty six percent of pubs
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: closed down. That's a quarter of all UK pubs closed
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: within the last five years. Just in the first three
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: months of this year, one hundred and sixty one pubs
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: closed down in three months. That's an average of two
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: pubs a day every day for the first three months
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: of this year. Closing Emily Nicholas. She's a senior lecturer
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: in sociology at the University of York. She's got theories
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: to why pubs are closing their doors.
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: She says gen Z or gen Z, which.
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: Is z gen z Z is the American in American
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: one right, gen Z. That's those aged or born between
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: nineteen ninety seven and twenty twelve. Is increasingly looking for
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: new ways to socialize. She said, they're placing more value
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: on experiences centered around community connection and well being rather
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: than nights out where alcohol is the main focus. In
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: other words, they're preferring jim to drinking, and if they
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: are going to drink, they'd probably have a piccolo or
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: a latte at their local cafe, then join Caleb.
• 26:40
  Speaker 4: At the bar, or a mucha for a scooter or
• 26:42
  Speaker 4: a much What's a marcha Its a Japanese brain tastes
• 26:45
  Speaker 4: slow release cafee.
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: You should see that Janika loves the marcha. Yeah, she goes.
• 26:51
  Speaker 5: Then there is this cafe she goes to regularly and
• 26:53
  Speaker 5: they serve it with a little Teddy Bear on the top.
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: Japanese.
• 26:58
  Speaker 5: This is the weird stuff that young people do now.
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: Instead of going to the pub, you rather a marcher
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: or a scooter with Caleb. A marcher there you go,
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: that's why pubs are shutting down people like you, Danika.
• 27:09
  Speaker 5: I know exactly well Danega doesn't drink at all, so
• 27:11
  Speaker 5: maybe she can explain in a moment why that is.
• 27:14
  Speaker 5: But on the whole, I think this is pretty sad really.
• 27:16
  Speaker 5: I mean, the pub has been an important cultural institution
• 27:21
  Speaker 5: and a community touchstone in Western countries like Australia and
• 27:27
  Speaker 5: the UK for a very long time. And there was
• 27:30
  Speaker 5: a study down out of the US which ended up
• 27:33
  Speaker 5: being a much better study than they.
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: Ever thought it would be. But they were.
• 27:36
  Speaker 5: Tracking the drinking habits of so called heavy young drinkers
• 27:40
  Speaker 5: right and they started taking data before COVID hit, and
• 27:44
  Speaker 5: then they kept taking data through COVID and then out
• 27:47
  Speaker 5: the other side of COVID, and what they found this
• 27:50
  Speaker 5: was in the US, what they found was that the
• 27:53
  Speaker 5: drinking habits of young people declined during COVID. They were
• 27:56
  Speaker 5: drinking less during COVID, and that continued after COVID. But
• 28:03
  Speaker 5: the researcher's main finding was that the majority of that
• 28:07
  Speaker 5: drop off in drinking was on the weekend, and fundamentally
• 28:11
  Speaker 5: it was because you know, during COVID you couldn't go
• 28:14
  Speaker 5: out and so young people stopped going and seeing their
• 28:16
  Speaker 5: mates at the pub or the club or whatever it
• 28:18
  Speaker 5: was on the weekend, and then they just continued that
• 28:21
  Speaker 5: habit after COVID, and so not only were they not drinking,
• 28:25
  Speaker 5: they'd stop going and seeing their mates as well. And
• 28:29
  Speaker 5: you can look at all the data on loneliness, it's
• 28:31
  Speaker 5: gone up significantly post COVID. I think a lot of
• 28:35
  Speaker 5: people form different habits during COVID and they've stuck to them.
• 28:39
  Speaker 5: And unfortunately it's meant they're not drinking as much because
• 28:42
  Speaker 5: they're not going to the pub and seeing their mates.
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: So which is worse, you know, the deleterious.
• 28:47
  Speaker 5: Effects of alcohol, I mean hadn't done me much harm?
• 28:51
  Speaker 5: Or the deleterious well what are you saying, Danika, Or
• 28:55
  Speaker 5: the deleterious effects.
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: Of not going and seeing your mates. I'd argue that's
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: the worst of the evil.
• 29:01
  Speaker 4: Why can you go out and not drink? Why do
• 29:03
  Speaker 4: you need alcohol around you to go out and socialize?
• 29:05
  Speaker 3: And they are socialized and they go into cafes, cafe
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: culture there.
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: You have a culture.
• 29:09
  Speaker 4: Why do you need to have a glass? This is
• 29:11
  Speaker 4: the problem and I actually think it's a very Australian culture,
• 29:14
  Speaker 4: right I feel like there's an Aussie belief that you
• 29:18
  Speaker 4: can't go out and socialize unless you've got a drink
• 29:20
  Speaker 4: in your hand of alcohol. I really do believe that,
• 29:23
  Speaker 4: And as somebody who is a non drinker, that's what
• 29:26
  Speaker 4: I feel when I go out, that if you don't
• 29:28
  Speaker 4: have something in your hand while she can't possibly be
• 29:31
  Speaker 4: having a good night. And I would say I'm a
• 29:33
  Speaker 4: bloody hoots when I go out. Let me tell you that.
• 29:36
  Speaker 5: Okay, the first point I'll make is that for time immemorial,
• 29:40
  Speaker 5: alcohol as alcohol has been.
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: Sorry, I'm just thinking of Margaret Tatcho, who said, if
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: you have to tell people you're a lady, you're probably not.
• 29:49
  Speaker 3: If you have to tell everyone you're a bloody, probably
• 29:52
  Speaker 3: got a bloody?
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: Are you that?
• 29:53
  Speaker 4: I have a very very good time when I go
• 29:56
  Speaker 4: out and I do not have alcohol in my hand,
• 29:59
  Speaker 4: and I can keep up with those who are drunk.
• 30:02
  Speaker 5: So alcohol has been a social lubricant for time immemorial,
• 30:06
  Speaker 5: Like that's just an unavoidable fact.
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: It always has been. But why do you not drink, Danika?
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: Why do you try?
• 30:12
  Speaker 4: I don't like the way that it makes me feel.
• 30:15
  Speaker 4: I haven't had a drink. I would say, in about
• 30:17
  Speaker 4: two and a half years, and I haven't wanted to
• 30:20
  Speaker 4: drink alcohol. Has it stopped me from socializing when everybody
• 30:24
  Speaker 4: else has got a drink around them. Nah. I could
• 30:26
  Speaker 4: not give a toss if other people are drinking because
• 30:28
  Speaker 4: I am comfortable enough in my own skin to go
• 30:31
  Speaker 4: out and have a good time. I don't need alcohol
• 30:33
  Speaker 4: around me, and I don't care if others are drinking
• 30:36
  Speaker 4: or not. I actually think this is wonderful. But less
• 30:39
  Speaker 4: young adults are drinking because people are more health conscious.
• 30:43
  Speaker 4: Don't we want people to look after their health. Don't
• 30:45
  Speaker 4: we want people to turn to exercise, healthy eating habits,
• 30:49
  Speaker 4: socializing at the cafe than drinking themselves silly because they
• 30:54
  Speaker 4: are having a bad day at work, they are stressed out,
• 30:56
  Speaker 4: and they're turning to the bottle at night. So I
• 31:00
  Speaker 4: applaud people for taking this step to improve their health.
• 31:03
  Speaker 4: I just do not see that there's anything wrong with that. Secondly,
• 31:05
  Speaker 4: the cost of drinking on a weekend is ridiculous. You
• 31:08
  Speaker 4: fork out.
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: Hundreds of blame with government for that.
• 31:11
  Speaker 4: Well, you can blame government for that, but I don't
• 31:12
  Speaker 4: see why we have to. Ah, Well, people aren't drinking anymore.
• 31:15
  Speaker 4: This is terrible. We should be saying, thank goodness, we've
• 31:19
  Speaker 4: got something right in the health sector.
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: Thank goodness.
• 31:21
  Speaker 5: All those publicans are going out of business, Thank goodness,
• 31:25
  Speaker 5: all those people in the wine industry are losing their jobs.
• 31:27
  Speaker 4: So you would rather people be drunk, disorderly, spending a
• 31:32
  Speaker 4: lot of money on alcohol, not making themselves well. Are
• 31:36
  Speaker 4: the people that do have a problem with alcohol?
• 31:38
  Speaker 5: Caleb, you're suggesting you can't go to the pub and
• 31:40
  Speaker 5: have a drink and not walk out of the place
• 31:42
  Speaker 5: blind drunk.
• 31:43
  Speaker 4: No. But what I'm saying is to you your argument is, oh, well,
• 31:46
  Speaker 4: publicans are going out of business. I would that I
• 31:49
  Speaker 4: feel bad for publicans, and I do feel bad for publicans,
• 31:52
  Speaker 4: but I would argue that the cost of your health
• 31:55
  Speaker 4: is more important than anything else.
• 31:57
  Speaker 5: Okay, but for most people who would go to the
• 32:01
  Speaker 5: pub and have two or three beers or two glasses
• 32:03
  Speaker 5: of wine, that's a very healthy, happy thing for them
• 32:07
  Speaker 5: to do.
• 32:07
  Speaker 4: That's fine, but that's their prerogative. That's fine. But I'm
• 32:11
  Speaker 4: talking about the study that said that a majority of
• 32:13
  Speaker 4: people will go out and they will not drink alcohol anymore.
• 32:16
  Speaker 4: And you said that was a problem. I'm telling you
• 32:18
  Speaker 4: that that is not a problem. I don't see what
• 32:20
  Speaker 4: the problem is.
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: Okay, So you're saying that it's going to avoid a
• 32:22
  Speaker 3: whole lot of people getting blotto, and I think Caleb's
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: trying to make the point that most of.
• 32:25
  Speaker 4: Them are not just blotto, not just blotto for their
• 32:28
  Speaker 4: general health and well being, that they're focusing on getting
• 32:32
  Speaker 4: up early at six am to go for a run,
• 32:34
  Speaker 4: so they're not plastered from the night before. So therefore
• 32:36
  Speaker 4: their drink's.
• 32:37
  Speaker 5: Going back to all these people being plastered. I'm saying
• 32:39
  Speaker 5: most people don't go out and get plastered.
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: They go and drinks.
• 32:42
  Speaker 4: I am not saying that they're going out to get plasted.
• 32:45
  Speaker 4: I'm saying that they are looking after their health more,
• 32:47
  Speaker 4: they're more health conscious. They're calling it a night earlier.
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: What's the problem with that, Well, they're not necessarily calling
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: it a night earlier. They're not drinking at all, giving up.
• 32:56
  Speaker 4: Can't be at the gym at five am in the
• 32:57
  Speaker 4: morning if you've been out till three am. I don't know.
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 33:00
  Speaker 4: Younger, I don't know.
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: But a musho or I'm mu.
• 33:04
  Speaker 4: Sure as healthy, I'm sure is a very healthy drink.
• 33:06
  Speaker 4: It's a Japanese green tea. It's a slow release caffeine.
• 33:09
  Speaker 4: I quit coffee two years ago, and I've been on
• 33:11
  Speaker 4: much of.
• 33:11
  Speaker 3: I was going to say most young people have given
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: up on the beer and there now just addicted the caffeine.
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: Well or other substances.
• 33:18
  Speaker 5: I think, look, you reckon, they're giving up on the grog,
• 33:20
  Speaker 5: and many of them probably are. But i'd be looking
• 33:22
  Speaker 5: at what other substances they're putting into these systems. They
• 33:25
  Speaker 5: might come in powdered form and go up their noses.
• 33:28
  Speaker 5: I don't think young people have necessarily given up on
• 33:31
  Speaker 5: taking mind altering substances. They've just found other ones that
• 33:34
  Speaker 5: aren't taxed and aren't illegal.
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: And which would you prefer?
• 33:38
  Speaker 5: They were using the illegal product or the regulated legal
• 33:41
  Speaker 5: product that we make a lot of tax.
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: It's quite a few products being used at the gym.
• 33:44
  Speaker 5: I would suggest, indeed, that may not be exactly great
• 33:47
  Speaker 5: for your health.
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: Father.
• 33:48
  Speaker 5: I mean, you see some of those people in the gym.
• 33:50
  Speaker 5: I'm not sure they're too worried about their health. I
• 33:52
  Speaker 5: think they're more worried about their vanity than anything else. Now,
• 33:55
  Speaker 5: let's talk about a serious story from overseas. We took
• 33:59
  Speaker 5: to you last night, of course, about this terror attack
• 34:02
  Speaker 5: in Berlin where a guy who had tried to join
• 34:06
  Speaker 5: ISIS had gone off to Lebanon, tried to join ISSIS there,
• 34:09
  Speaker 5: got locked up there, then went back to Germany.
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: Well over the weekend.
• 34:13
  Speaker 5: He drove through a crowd of people at a Pride festival.
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: Go Pride Festival.
• 34:18
  Speaker 5: Would you believe how the New York Times reported this.
• 34:22
  Speaker 5: They had this headline and it was I think it
• 34:24
  Speaker 5: was up yesterday but we missed it. But his car
• 34:27
  Speaker 5: plows into crowd at Berlin Pride event in suspected terror attack,
• 34:32
  Speaker 5: as though there were no men driving the car. A
• 34:35
  Speaker 5: man who tried to join ISIS driving car plows into crowd,
• 34:41
  Speaker 5: I think would be a little more accurate. You're kind
• 34:44
  Speaker 5: of burying the lead there, I would say to the
• 34:47
  Speaker 5: New York Times. But because of this now in the UK,
• 34:50
  Speaker 5: they've decided that they have to bolster up their police
• 34:53
  Speaker 5: presence for a Pride event there. They're going to have
• 34:58
  Speaker 5: masses of armed police now, because of course they are
• 35:01
  Speaker 5: concerned about the possibility of an Islamist attack happening in
• 35:06
  Speaker 5: Britain as it happened in Berlin. And this comes as
• 35:10
  Speaker 5: a man has been arrested in Paris for stabbing three women,
• 35:15
  Speaker 5: and according to The Australian, they've reported that the identity
• 35:18
  Speaker 5: of the suspect and his motive were not immediately clear,
• 35:21
  Speaker 5: but local media reports that he claimed to have been
• 35:23
  Speaker 5: sent by Allah to kill women, and the French Interior
• 35:28
  Speaker 5: Minister said the motive of the attack remains unknown. Police
• 35:31
  Speaker 5: could not verify the identity of the attacker, whose declarations
• 35:34
  Speaker 5: were incoherent while he was being arrested, warning, however, against
• 35:38
  Speaker 5: jumping to conclusions as to his motives. I mean, we
• 35:43
  Speaker 5: see a bit of a pattern here, don't Always was
• 35:45
  Speaker 5: a car that plowed into the crowd, not an Islamist
• 35:48
  Speaker 5: who tried to join ices. Oh you know, we don't
• 35:51
  Speaker 5: know the motives, even though witnesses are clearly telling the
• 35:54
  Speaker 5: media that they heard him say that Allah sent him
• 35:57
  Speaker 5: to kill women.
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: I mean, were Cardibara the lead here?
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: The most astonishing response to these Islamist attacks in Europe
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: over the past week to me was from Where's Streeting
• 36:07
  Speaker 3: the new Defense minister in the UK government. He said
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: that the attack on the Pride parade in Berlin showed
• 36:16
  Speaker 3: why pride events are still necessary.
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: That was what he got out of it. So the
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: answer is more pride events.
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: I suggest maybe the answer is dealing with your migration
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: policy in your open borders. He went on to warn
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: that quote unquote, many people don't accept diversity.
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: That's what he got out of.
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: This interesting Danika that he went for the phrase many people.
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: And you've got to guess who the many people are
• 36:41
  Speaker 3: that don't accept diversity.
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: Talk about gutlass and.
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: If you want to stand up for LGBTQ people, then
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: call a spade a spade. But don't you know, wink wink, nudge, nudge,
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: hint at it address what's actually happening. But just to say, well,
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: this just shows we need more pride events because many
• 36:59
  Speaker 3: people don't gutless and does nothing to address the issues.
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: They'll continue to be attacks whilst ever they live in
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: deny it and.
• 37:06
  Speaker 4: Just very quickly because I know we're going to get
• 37:07
  Speaker 4: to a break. I love it that now they're saying
• 37:09
  Speaker 4: it's all right, we've got armed police that are going
• 37:11
  Speaker 4: to be patrolling Britain's Pride parade and we've got bollards up.
• 37:15
  Speaker 4: Yet the DEI bollards go up again because we're not
• 37:18
  Speaker 4: dealing with the true issue of radical Islam.
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: Exactly all right, we're going to go to a break.
• 37:22
  Speaker 3: When we come back, Well, look at what the papers
• 37:24
  Speaker 3: are saying about Victoria and what comes now that's next. Well,
• 37:35
  Speaker 3: as you can imagine, tomorrow's newspapers will be dominated by
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: the leadership change in Victoria.
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: Danika, you're across all of it.
• 37:43
  Speaker 4: I am Harold's son.
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: Stop this train wreck.
• 37:47
  Speaker 4: How's that Dan's shadow? Over pay room turmoil? Who is
• 37:51
  Speaker 4: Ben inside Carrol's rise to power? And how Alan Andrews
• 37:54
  Speaker 4: Allen Rain corrupted Victoria. That's their headline tomorrow. And then
• 37:59
  Speaker 4: over the Australian ALP's bold new vision clean up its
• 38:05
  Speaker 4: own mess. And then there's that infamous quote. Now I
• 38:09
  Speaker 4: am not Daniel Andrews. I am not just in to Allen.
• 38:12
  Speaker 4: There the headlines tomorrow. But let's take a look at
• 38:16
  Speaker 4: this big one. It's an exclusive there. Brown settles on
• 38:19
  Speaker 4: Higgins Row. The Commonwealth has settled the explosive lawsuit brought
• 38:23
  Speaker 4: by former Liberal staff of Fiona Brown, sparing former Prime
• 38:28
  Speaker 4: Minister Scott Morrison and his senior advisors the embarrassment of
• 38:31
  Speaker 4: a trial over allegations they prevented her from responding to
• 38:35
  Speaker 4: false allegations by Brittany Higgins that destroyed her life. Miss
• 38:40
  Speaker 4: Brown had revealed how she was made to take the
• 38:43
  Speaker 4: fall for the Morrison government as it sought to deflect
• 38:45
  Speaker 4: Labour's false accusations of a cover up, ruthlessly cast aside
• 38:50
  Speaker 4: by her Liberal Party colleagues when she became to them
• 38:53
  Speaker 4: a liability. And let you know, look, let's not forget
• 38:56
  Speaker 4: I mean every single person who has been somehow involved
• 39:00
  Speaker 4: in this whole saga, their lives have been tipped upside down.
• 39:05
  Speaker 4: But you've got a spare of thought for Fiona Brown,
• 39:09
  Speaker 4: whose career she completely lost and she was not able
• 39:14
  Speaker 4: to defend herself and defend the vile accusations that were
• 39:20
  Speaker 4: being leveled her way up until only late last year.
• 39:24
  Speaker 4: So this is big that the Commonwealth has settled now
• 39:28
  Speaker 4: and I hope that she's able to get on with
• 39:30
  Speaker 4: her life.
• 39:30
  Speaker 5: More money that the taxpayer has had to fork out
• 39:34
  Speaker 5: because of this whole sorry saga. You know, the two
• 39:37
  Speaker 5: point four million dollars that went to Britney Higgins.
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: This with Fiona Brown.
• 39:43
  Speaker 5: I mean that the whole thing was just handled so
• 39:46
  Speaker 5: appallingly and unfortunately it's probably better for Miss Brown in
• 39:53
  Speaker 5: some ways that it's settled, because it means she won't
• 39:55
  Speaker 5: have to go through a protracted public sort of playing
• 39:59
  Speaker 5: out of all this stuff again.
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: But for us the taxpayer, it robs.
• 40:04
  Speaker 5: Us of an opportunity to see inside, you know, how
• 40:06
  Speaker 5: the sausage was made and get some potential questions answered.
• 40:10
  Speaker 5: And so we're lift he wondering what was actually going
• 40:14
  Speaker 5: on to our money that's been spent, and we get
• 40:17
  Speaker 5: no insight whatsoever into.
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: What really happened.
• 40:20
  Speaker 3: There were a lot of competing agendas in that whole thing. Right, Oh,
• 40:24
  Speaker 3: it was bad. It wasn't just what was happening that
• 40:26
  Speaker 3: you could see. It was all the things underneath and
• 40:28
  Speaker 3: the different moving parts. What an absolute mess. Let's go
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: to the front page of tomorrow's Daily Telegraph, Burb's Go
• 40:35
  Speaker 3: Kaboom reads the headline. Live hand grenades, automatic rifles and
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: enough ammunition to service a small army have been uncovered
• 40:44
  Speaker 3: in a safe house in Sydney's suburbs in what police
• 40:47
  Speaker 3: say is a worrying sign. That's a bit of an
• 40:49
  Speaker 3: understatement of the high powered violence in which underworld gangs
• 40:53
  Speaker 3: are now willing to engage. Apparently, police conducted a fairly
• 40:58
  Speaker 3: routine search. They were looking for a prohibited weapon earlier
• 41:03
  Speaker 3: this morning it's Tuesday, when they uncovered a whole lot
• 41:07
  Speaker 3: of cocaine, a whole lot of cash, and a lot
• 41:13
  Speaker 3: of AMMO, a lot of guns and all these grenades.
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: In fact, the bomb squad had to be called to
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: make sure that nothing went kaboom in the burbs.
• 41:22
  Speaker 4: It's kind of scary that they're just loitering around the burbs.
• 41:26
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and as I said, this is organized crime, so
• 41:30
  Speaker 3: not great, but thank god the police found it.
• 41:33
  Speaker 4: Thank God that they got it in time. I do
• 41:35
  Speaker 4: like that headline two burbs go kaboom.
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: It's not bad.
• 41:38
  Speaker 5: Well, it's hope they don't go Kaboomah, I mean the
• 41:41
  Speaker 5: fact that becomes so brazen now.
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: See.
• 41:43
  Speaker 5: I wonder because a lot of this organized crime now
• 41:46
  Speaker 5: is heavily linked to the illicit tobacco market. And it
• 41:50
  Speaker 5: also was on the front of at the bottom of
• 41:52
  Speaker 5: the Herald Sound that we showed you before. But another
• 41:55
  Speaker 5: story that's kind of disappeared into the midst with everything
• 41:58
  Speaker 5: else that's gone on because Ahmad, who is the guy
• 42:01
  Speaker 5: who was basically running the Elicta tobacco market particularly in Victoria,
• 42:06
  Speaker 5: has today been jailed for life in Iraq, so they've
• 42:10
  Speaker 5: broken that up a little bit, but you know, surely
• 42:13
  Speaker 5: a lieutenant will take over and that'll all continue on.
• 42:16
  Speaker 5: But part of me wonders whether because a lot of
• 42:18
  Speaker 5: this organized crime is now linked to Alice's tobacco, which
• 42:22
  Speaker 5: is so brazen in its nature, like you just walk
• 42:24
  Speaker 5: into a shop and buy the stuff, like no one's
• 42:26
  Speaker 5: really hiding that they're committing crimes all day every day.
• 42:30
  Speaker 5: That they've now taken this lars a fair attitude into
• 42:33
  Speaker 5: the way that they run the rest of their operations,
• 42:35
  Speaker 5: and it's like, oh well, if we've got a whole
• 42:37
  Speaker 5: bunch of grenades and a sheet in the back of
• 42:38
  Speaker 5: the who cares of it?
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: You know, we're just doing what we want.
• 42:41
  Speaker 5: I mean, there was a case recently of someone in
• 42:44
  Speaker 5: Sydney who was a relative of someone who was involved
• 42:47
  Speaker 5: in one of these gangs himself not a criminal, and
• 42:51
  Speaker 5: someone tried to shoot him up on the school run
• 42:53
  Speaker 5: at the front of the school.
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: He's got nothing to do with it, right.
• 42:55
  Speaker 3: But what you're describing sounds like that whole broken windows
• 42:58
  Speaker 3: phenomena that you know, was it rooted Juliano in New York.
• 43:02
  Speaker 3: If you don't repair a broken windows right away, correct,
• 43:05
  Speaker 3: It just encourages more crime if you don't crack down
• 43:07
  Speaker 3: on alicit tobacco. It sends a signal to those involved
• 43:11
  Speaker 3: in the trade that, oh, well, no one's paying much attention,
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: we can get away with that.
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: What else can we get away with? And so you
• 43:17
  Speaker 2: end up with crime running rampant.
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: And it's made them a huge amount of money in
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: the process as well.
• 43:22
  Speaker 5: I'm a friend of the Courier Mail. Tomorrow's some really
• 43:24
  Speaker 5: cheery news. Rate pain is coming. Reserve Bank boss Michelle
• 43:28
  Speaker 5: Bullock has delivered the starkest warning yet that more mortgage
• 43:31
  Speaker 5: pain is on the way for homeowners, saying a delay
• 43:34
  Speaker 5: in hikes would only make the situation worse. The warning
• 43:38
  Speaker 5: comes as crucial inflation data is set to be released today,
• 43:41
  Speaker 5: that is Tomorrow, Wednesday, and is expected to show the
• 43:45
  Speaker 5: cost of a basket of goods is worsening. It doesn't
• 43:50
  Speaker 5: get any cheery it does it. I mean, frankly, the
• 43:55
  Speaker 5: federal government at some point just has to take responsibility
• 43:57
  Speaker 5: for the fact that they were worn so many times homes,
• 44:00
  Speaker 5: that government spending was a large pusher of inflation.
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: They've done nothing about it.
• 44:06
  Speaker 5: We read story last time seven percent they were warned about,
• 44:10
  Speaker 5: and here we are being told, oh, well, your mortgage
• 44:12
  Speaker 5: is going to go up again.
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: So the people who can least afford it.
• 44:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah, they're not taking responsibility. They're already getting it out there.
• 44:18
  Speaker 3: It could go to seven percent inflation, that is, and
• 44:21
  Speaker 3: it's all due to what's happening in the Middle East.
• 44:23
  Speaker 3: So the government trying to get ahead of this, so
• 44:26
  Speaker 3: their excuse.
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: Is already ready. Meanwhile, the RBA, what choice do they have?
• 44:30
  Speaker 4: No, Well, that's it. I mean, Michelle Bullock has been
• 44:32
  Speaker 4: warning about government spending that the economists were warning warning,
• 44:37
  Speaker 4: and it's just very easy for Jim to say, oh, no,
• 44:39
  Speaker 4: you know, it was the war, just like remember he
• 44:41
  Speaker 4: blamed the Ukraine War going back a few years ago.
• 44:45
  Speaker 4: He loves to blame outside factors for record government spending.
• 44:49
  Speaker 4: So I'm sure we're about to hear the same lines
• 44:52
  Speaker 4: trotted out by spin Jim very soon.
• 44:56
  Speaker 5: Well, if you can find someone else, I suppose it's
• 44:58
  Speaker 5: you know politics one oh one, isn't it. If you
• 44:59
  Speaker 5: can find someone else to blame, you find someone else
• 45:01
  Speaker 5: to blame. But it doesn't make life any easier for us.
• 45:05
  Speaker 5: And that is really what they should be focused on.
• 45:08
  Speaker 5: That story is also on the front of the Advertiser tomorrow.
• 45:10
  Speaker 5: I'm sure it'll be one of the big stories people
• 45:13
  Speaker 5: are talking about if we don't have to talk about
• 45:15
  Speaker 5: Justinder Allen and co. But also another story which we
• 45:19
  Speaker 5: touched on last night, but a tragic one on the
• 45:21
  Speaker 5: front of the Advertiser. Why did mum fall? Police at
• 45:25
  Speaker 5: a loss to explain how and why Helena and her
• 45:28
  Speaker 5: babies came to die. Helena Right thirty six, pulled up
• 45:31
  Speaker 5: at a cliff top in Port McDonald on Monday morning, left
• 45:34
  Speaker 5: her car running and somehow filled her death along with
• 45:38
  Speaker 5: her three month old son and her twenty three month
• 45:41
  Speaker 5: old daughter. Police are baffled as to how the well
• 45:44
  Speaker 5: regarded mother and her children came to die.
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: The baby boy's body.
• 45:49
  Speaker 5: Remained missing in rough seas yesterday in the lifeline numbers
• 45:52
  Speaker 5: on the screen there thirteen eleven, fourteen. If that brings
• 45:55
  Speaker 5: up any issues for you, but what an awful story,
• 45:59
  Speaker 5: and for a small community like Port McDonald to have
• 46:02
  Speaker 5: something like that happen, and he really puts shock waves
• 46:04
  Speaker 5: through a town.
• 46:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, all right, We're going to go to a
• 46:08
  Speaker 3: break when we come back a spear fisherman is attacked
• 46:10
  Speaker 3: by a shark and he records the whole thing on video.
• 46:13
  Speaker 3: We'll show you after this. Welcome back to the program.
• 46:21
  Speaker 3: Henry Gibbs is a Kiwi. He's also a phishing content creator,
• 46:25
  Speaker 3: which means he films himself spearfishing and then he posts
• 46:29
  Speaker 3: the content online. Well, earlier this month he got a
• 46:32
  Speaker 3: little more content than he was counting on when he
• 46:35
  Speaker 3: films himself being.
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: Attacked by a shark. The shark bit him on the leg.
• 46:49
  Speaker 3: He managed to keep the leg, not before he was
• 46:52
  Speaker 3: operated on four times. The good news is the number
• 46:56
  Speaker 3: of followers on his social media has gone through the roof.
• 46:59
  Speaker 3: When you've got content like that on your social media.
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: You will get followers. That's a heavy price to pay.
• 47:04
  Speaker 4: That That is a very heavy price to pay. It
• 47:06
  Speaker 4: wasn't sure what we're going to see when we rolled
• 47:08
  Speaker 4: that vision. There was a lot more tamer than I thought.
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: Well, we tried to keep it tame on the late debate.
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: We don't upset viewers.
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: Well, you want to see the leg come off and
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: the whole shebang.
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: I mean, you know, how fast did that? How much
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: insane isn't it?
• 47:20
  Speaker 4: That's actually frightening though.
• 47:22
  Speaker 5: If you've ever I don't know, if you've ever laid
• 47:25
  Speaker 5: lad awake, you know you have those shower thoughts and things.
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: It's like, what would happen if this happened? And I've
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: never had the thought.
• 47:32
  Speaker 4: No, you don't, just I don't think about what happened.
• 47:36
  Speaker 4: What would happen if I got attacked by a shark?
• 47:38
  Speaker 5: That's not one I've had. But you think about weird
• 47:40
  Speaker 5: things from time to time. What would happen if I
• 47:42
  Speaker 5: had a cart crash?
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: Aren't I?
• 47:43
  Speaker 5: Anyway, if you've ever wondered what it would look like
• 47:46
  Speaker 5: to be attacked by a shark, Like at the speed
• 47:48
  Speaker 5: at which that thing came at him, I was fascinating.
• 47:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like, can we play it one more time?
• 47:54
  Speaker 3: Watch for the white dot in the distance and he
• 47:56
  Speaker 3: wreck and it's on him in a flash there.
• 48:02
  Speaker 5: So look at that and it just comes directly at
• 48:05
  Speaker 5: him through the water anyway, Yeah, seen it?
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 48:11
  Speaker 4: No, he was. He was certainly very very lucky. Let's
• 48:15
  Speaker 4: let's fund this up a little bit.
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: I mean, shark a Texan.
• 48:20
  Speaker 4: No they're not, Caleb, You've got a sick mind, so
• 48:22
  Speaker 4: you would enjoy it at the comic off Game has
• 48:26
  Speaker 4: gone viral for his dance moves while he was mopping
• 48:30
  Speaker 4: up the netball chords. This is c. J. Miller, now
• 48:33
  Speaker 4: dubbed Mopman for obvious reasons. My god, get it. I
• 48:58
  Speaker 4: love that. I'm not a legend. I know.
• 49:00
  Speaker 3: I'm not impressed by this, he said, I think the
• 49:02
  Speaker 3: spirit of the music just took me away.
• 49:05
  Speaker 2: That's not true. Joan's a dance school.
• 49:07
  Speaker 3: And now he's getting huge publicity for his dance school.
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: You wish and we're just spontaneous. He's not mop Man.
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: He's just very good at you.
• 49:15
  Speaker 4: You're just jealous because you've got no mood.
• 49:17
  Speaker 5: Well, that's that's allegedly what Danika looks like, a completely
• 49:20
  Speaker 5: sober on a Saturday night before we go tonight to
• 49:23
  Speaker 5: just want to pay tribute to Bill Oddie, who died
• 49:25
  Speaker 5: overnight at the age of eighty five. Of course bill
• 49:28
  Speaker 5: Oddie from the Goodies, Fantastic.
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: Man, mind Gus, he's really mind us. Honestly, if your
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: dad could see you now, don't even look at him.
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: Mister Ody must be a shamed.
• 49:44
  Speaker 5: They just don't make comedy like that anymore. Do they
• 49:47
  Speaker 5: bring back the old British comedies?
• 49:49
  Speaker 2: British comedy was so best.
• 49:51
  Speaker 3: Of course, most of it wouldn't be allowed to be broadcast.
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: That's why it's so good.
• 49:55
  Speaker 3: All right, that's it from us. We'll be back tomorrow
• 49:57
  Speaker 3: night stick Around. Coming up is the readA Pennety Show.
• 49:59
  Speaker 2: Good Night,