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A House of Dynamite · Black Men Can't Jump [In Hollywood]

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[SPEAKER_03]: often do you guys think about, you know, the fact that basically at any moment we could all die from nuclear Holocaust.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I am typically only thinking about it if I'm reminded like this.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So like this, watching this movie made me think of,
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[SPEAKER_01]: like maybe two weeks ago there was a post about like with a graph showing like the amount of of nuclear warheads at any given place and like you saw them comparatively to each other and just how how dwarfed the top two are Russia and and here and how like how but the US is like so high compared to any of the others but then but then Russia's like
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[SPEAKER_01]: It's like double bad or something like that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't have the exact statin front of me But it was like it was just wild to see it represented in the in the in the graph form Yeah, I mean, I thought about it when we bombed Ron this year There's so much that so yeah, that then too.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I thought like a such a long time ago.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It wasn't that it was this year
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, we did like a couple months ago, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: When was it?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yep.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh my god.
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[SPEAKER_03]: They were like, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: When we found that's good for the facilities, I know.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I don't necessarily think about like, um, like new clear stuff.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I do think about like terrorists attack and where it would happen.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Again, as a person who's always lived in one of these major cities.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I remember when I first got to New York, I worked in Times Square.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And we had so many drills in the office.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I would do.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But then you realized I'm 39 floors up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like there's
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[SPEAKER_03]: There's only so much I can do from out here, you know, that's the thing about the nuclear stuff that I've been like, oh, I remember once
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[SPEAKER_03]: When I was thinking about it, I like, when I was in New York, I looked up where the nuclear fallout shelters were.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But then, you know, since the Cold War, we really haven't kept those up.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And we really don't have that many of them anymore.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And absurd.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And so we're still making these weapons.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I don't even know if I have them here in that way.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Because I like to even have basements for real.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You know what I mean?
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[SPEAKER_03]: I know.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Because you can't, right?
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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, it like.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, because of the, because of the earthquakes and stuff.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So I mean, I truly am like, oh, right, if a new, if like, we were told like a nuclear bomb is headed towards LA, it would just be like, all right, well, we're going to die.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, that's it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I hope I hope I hope I'm holding hands with my loved one.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, at the time that it happens.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that's, and that's it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's an unfortunate thing about it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think the thing I think about the most necessarily like nuclear, I just think about the person that's in charge if it was to happen is Donald Trump.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That I think I think about that more than a real sound rational more than anything I think about that dude has the coat that dude will have to respond He's the one who is in charge
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[SPEAKER_03]: He is the one who gets to make it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's like, everybody can tell him what to do.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He is the one who actually makes the decision, everyone has to listen to what that man says.
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[SPEAKER_00]: The man who just tore down historical part of the White House to build a borough.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Well, you know, that happens all the time, you know, that no, no, that that does not did this does not happen.
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[SPEAKER_01]: They tear down, you know, like there's there's modifications done to the White House, that's what Caroline said.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Caroline said their modifications that happen all the time.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So I, I, I, I'm inclined to listen to what Caroline tells me that this happens, you know, I just, you know, you'll think Caroline gonna be there though.
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[SPEAKER_01]: And this, and this movie we see the secondary for a second,
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I think she's showing up in the air.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know, I think she's going to be there.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I think she's going to take it out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, she's going to take it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I will say, I will talk about when we get into it, but I also watched that Netflix movie, I mean, the Netflix, the Hulu show paradise.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, we're definitely going to talk about that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And there is something in me right now.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I have probably had more conversations about survival.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Then I've ever had in my life, like I have this survival book.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I have now ordered this map.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The thing is we all know it's coming.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We all understand that, like how we're living now is going to come to an end.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We don't know exactly how it's going to happen.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But, you know, it could be nuclear apocalypse, it could be the global warming stuff throwing everything off, it could be World War 3 that, you know, I think it's the economy.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think I think I think sure people become so hungry because AI and also some of the, some of the bill is that we'll kick in very soon.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I don't know about job, but unfortunately, fortunately, I
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[SPEAKER_00]: uh Obamacare right now because I I can qualify for a union and I have my letter in the mail that it is doubling in January.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like doubling and the thing is, it's already expensive.
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[SPEAKER_00]: But I pay is already six times what I pay with a WJ.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it doubles.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, it doubles.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, a lot.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The candlewood is set and we're living in a house a dynamite.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Nice.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I was pretty good.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That was pretty nice It just is true, so it's just as true.
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[SPEAKER_03]: There's nothing else to it That's pretty good start the show
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[SPEAKER_01]: Black person is saying, right.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, that's what he's saying.
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[SPEAKER_02]: This is.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Fuck, you can say it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, what did he say?
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[SPEAKER_03]: What did he say?
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[SPEAKER_03]: He had a couple.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He was like, I was like, damn, this person is.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, he was, listen, I think that's how they would be, though.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Sure is, you can't tell me Trump ain't out here in 12.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, we know that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We know that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We know that, we know that.
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7:06
[SPEAKER_03]: Wow, it was a big mess.
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[SPEAKER_03]: For those of you who are joining us for the first time, welcome.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Listen, we are a film review podcast.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We review the films of leading black actors in the context, and talk about them in the context of race and diversity in Hollywood.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, we've been doing this for 10 plus years.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And sometimes we get real excited about, we hear movies coming up.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And we don't want any spoilers.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And so, you know, we see, oh, top bill person, Idris Elba.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He's potent, and we were like, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And then you see the movie, and you're like, oh, wait a minute.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, you know, it happens.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It happens.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But it happens.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It happened.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, it's happened before, it'll happen again.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But just so you know, there are three of us who host this.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, the person you're listening to right now, who picked a movie, who picked a movie?
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[SPEAKER_03]: No, yeah, I definitely did, but I definitely did pick the movie.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And you know what, I still, I don't, I don't fault myself.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, come on.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He's a homeless person.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He is a homeless person.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And the, and the question is, there is no, there is no, there is no.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Just a tiny bit of fault.
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[SPEAKER_03]: there is no lead of this film so and there are several black people in it so I will say that I do think this is a diverse cast and uh what uh oh right I was going to say the voice that you're listening to now that sounds like um someone who would go and just try to do something real fun for the last 15 minutes
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[SPEAKER_03]: You know, that's the voice of Jonathan Braylock.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I, I am going to try to do anything else.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'm just going to go try to have some fun before it all ends.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Some fun?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Can you, yeah, what's some fun though?
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[SPEAKER_01]: What would you, what would the some fun be?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, hopefully, Tesla's around.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, hopefully, hopefully, nearby, Tesla's around.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Now we're going to, we're going to find, we're going to find a place.
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[SPEAKER_03]: wherever I'm at.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, if we're in the same, we're in for our house.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Great.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, a car is a place.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'll just, I'm just, yeah, he's needs some.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yep, this voice is out of drama, Milligan.
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[SPEAKER_01]: This voice, uh, who's just extremely bummed effort having just finished the movie four minutes ago is James the third.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, we are reviewing a house of dynamite.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's the new Katherine Bigelow film, but just came out on Netflix.
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[SPEAKER_03]: with some awards buzz attached to it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We'll see how long that lasts.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It currently has a 79% run tomatoes, 77% audience score.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Both of these kind of makes sense, I think.
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[SPEAKER_03]: No box office, obviously.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's on Netflix.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It stars.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Idris Alba, Rebecca Ferguson, who else we got?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Anthony Ramos, I forgot Rebecca Ferguson was in the middle.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Greta Lee, Jason Clark, Jared Harris, who I know from Apple, the Apple TV show, the foundation, he's British.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, Brittany O'Grady makes an appearance.
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[SPEAKER_03]: She's from a white lotus, a first season.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Malachi beastly.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I've never seen him before.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Did you guys know who this was?
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[SPEAKER_03]: This is the other black actor.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It was in the circus scenes in this thought I had seen him in something, but I couldn't tell.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Well, but let me look and see if I actually do know him from something.
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[SPEAKER_01]: If he didn't look at it, I would be.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't really.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't notice anything here.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He's in some show called this track extraction, but I've never seen that show.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Well, speak.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, yeah, Caitlin Deborah's in this for a
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[SPEAKER_03]: from book smart.
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[SPEAKER_03]: The growth of one of the girls from book smart.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's right.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I like that scene.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Banga, I cannot be.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, man, did I put yours name?
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He was the black dude who is with one of the generals.
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[SPEAKER_03]: He's been in some stuff.
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[SPEAKER_03]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I like to.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That's all.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, I will say when I was listening to the score, I was like, man, this score sounds so familiar.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And then I realized I was like, yeah, this sounds like the score from Conclave.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I bet this is the same person who did the score for Conclave.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And it is.
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[SPEAKER_03]: That was right.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It sounds very similar to Conclave.
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[SPEAKER_03]: which I love that score.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And then, I mean, it still works in this.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And you know, that like Hans Zimmer, sometimes you're like, oh, that's Hans Zimmer.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You could tell.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Also, it was black dude.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He did a bunch of shorts.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Then a cat and a big alone movie.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Good thing.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He likes him.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, and Moses Ingram was the black woman who was the female person.
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[SPEAKER_03]: She was in the tragedy of McBeth.
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[SPEAKER_03]: and the Queen's Gambit.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, she was in the Queen's Gambit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that's right.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She wasn't.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She's when I come up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She's in Queen's Gambit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She was like the friend and she's gambit.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She was also in.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She was in her system.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I didn't like her character next.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I felt they did the whole, whatever they did a little bit.
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[SPEAKER_01]: She black, she, she evil.
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[SPEAKER_00]: No, she wasn't evil.
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[SPEAKER_00]: She was like the magical black person who came.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
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[SPEAKER_01]: Same on me.
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[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that was some stuff.
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[SPEAKER_01]: All right, it's fine.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We ain't talking about that.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We talking about how's the dynamite for some reason So I get into initial thoughts.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I feel like we're all in the same page.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know who should start I don't know if I'm I feel like mate will I be the most positive?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, this is an article first like it I
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[SPEAKER_00]: I didn't enjoy this movie, but it's not because the movie was bad.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's like the movie, I just don't feel like I, I don't feel like the world we live in right now is the time for me to be watching the movie.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Like this, I didn't, yeah, I didn't feel comfortable at any point, you know, we heard it just voice, but like he and show up to our 15 into the movie.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Also, I, I feel conflicted about the end because I feel like the ending we got.
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[SPEAKER_00]: was the smart way to do this?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I just don't know if it was enjoyable for me.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Smart isn't it?
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[SPEAKER_00]: I think I know what you mean by that.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's tricky because I think they, they, and we're getting to, I think they, they left it open, which I think is very, I do think that's a smart thing to do because I think either way you're kind of like,
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know, you're fucking so over, but also I feel like you've built this whole movie around this moment and we have no real pay off of it, but yeah, I mean, I think it's a good movie.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't need to watch it again ever because it's way too stressful.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Again, oh, that's the fact that, you know, I knew three people in this movie, you know, which was great.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was like, good for them.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's going to make their eye for the scores go up.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
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[SPEAKER_03]: So here's what I'll say.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I'll say this.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Okay, this movie reminds me of, like, um, contagion.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Do you ever see that movie contagion?
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[SPEAKER_03]: I never saw it, but I, but you this movie reminds me of it in a lot of ways.
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[SPEAKER_03]: One, like, it's a huge, it was a huge cast, but then you're like, actually not with most, like, it's telling different stories and you're jumping around.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And so nobody's in the movie for that long, contagion actually does kind of play this stuff out, but I do also remember feeling like a little bit underwhelmed.
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[SPEAKER_03]: by that film and feeling like they didn't really go there and like because like we never, like some of the narrative arcs, we, I don't know.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Anyway, with this movie, I felt like, okay, this movie is kind of like vantage point.
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[SPEAKER_04]: Mm-hmm.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Or Roshamana, right?
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[SPEAKER_03]: I guess.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But like, the, I'm thinking of the movie vantage point where there's this, like, shooting that happens.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And then we keep seeing it from, like, the different people's perspective.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We keep reliving the same moment over and over, but like, from different people's perspective.
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[SPEAKER_03]: And we do that with this movie.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But the thing is, like, I personally don't find the event.
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[SPEAKER_03]: that we're living over.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like the first time we viewed it, it was very compelling.
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[SPEAKER_03]: But then when we go backwards, I'm like, I don't need to, I don't really.
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[SPEAKER_03]: care that much about getting any new information like the new information is like barely there and it's not changing anything for me and it feels repetitive and it's not even like I feel like I mean I guess technically a couple people have different reactions but they all feel pretty similar and you know what's interesting about this movie is that
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[SPEAKER_03]: And I don't know if this is a credit to the weird app.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I felt the same way about this movie that we do about living in a world, living in a house of dynamite where there's nuclear bombs everywhere and we could all die.
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[SPEAKER_03]: I just am like, oh, I don't feel anything.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Because it just doesn't, it's not, I'm like, it's so out of my control.
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's kind of like, oh, what if an asteroid comes and hits the earth?
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[SPEAKER_03]: It's like, well, I don't,
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[SPEAKER_03]: What can I do?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like there's nothing I can do about it and therefore I'm like, why would I bother thinking about it?
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[SPEAKER_03]: So like almost like nothing happens in this moving, they're all like talking about this thing and like my mind constantly goes to like, I don't know, maybe it's not actually a bomb and maybe everything will be okay.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Because until something happens, that's the only thing like the sense of dread.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like, I'm actually like, that's why I was like, oh, I'm glad you felt a sense of like, like tension, Drak, because I kind of didn't.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Like, I didn't feel the same sense of dread that everybody, like the characters were feeling this movie.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Because I was just like, well,
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[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know, what are you going to do?
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[SPEAKER_01]: You never felt it or are you?
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[SPEAKER_01]: I never liked it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Did it diffuse?
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[SPEAKER_01]: Oh, you never felt it.
17:19
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
17:20
[SPEAKER_03]: No, because I wasn't sure there was almost a part of me because no, because nothing ever happens.
17:28
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
17:28
[SPEAKER_03]: We don't even know if if you don't know that hits we don't know if it and we don't know We don't know if we don't know if we don't know if the president launched nuclear bombs to strike every other people like it just leaves it at that and I'm kind of just like okay well until something happens it's hard for me to feel it that's kind of how I felt but I think that's my own defense mechanism but I think that was like yeah
17:58
[SPEAKER_00]: So yeah, I would say the first 25 minutes of this movie was really compelling to me and then once it reset, I was like, oh, I could see that because vantage point, I think the cool thing about vantage point that you referenced was like the fact that
18:12
[SPEAKER_00]: They're trying to figure out where the shooter is.
18:14
[SPEAKER_00]: So, right, time we see a new vantage point is new information being told where is this one.
18:20
[SPEAKER_03]: We do like the same information, but we're just actually like instead of watching the people say it on a video screen.
18:26
[SPEAKER_03]: We're now in their office and they're watching other people say it on a video screen.
18:31
[SPEAKER_00]: Exactly, exactly.
18:32
[SPEAKER_00]: And the thing is we're watching this stuff that we already technically heard.
18:40
[SPEAKER_00]: I would have enjoyed seeing like one person just living their life like a non-government person to show what was at risk genuinely thought they were going to do that and I was so mad that they didn't.
18:50
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, you know, I was like just show me what we're show me the danger of what's about to happen.
18:56
[SPEAKER_00]: Show me the missile.
18:57
[SPEAKER_00]: Show me the missile.
18:58
[SPEAKER_01]: We don't even really see his daughter in Chicago like that too much, you know, we see that one.
19:04
[SPEAKER_03]: But we end.
19:06
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but we don't see it.
19:07
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, what?
19:09
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, like, what?
19:11
[SPEAKER_00]: I think the way to the movie is.
19:15
[SPEAKER_00]: Again, I think this idea, this conceit is very real, very close, but I think you do need to see the tension.
19:21
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, we need to, well,
19:24
[SPEAKER_00]: James, do you want to go?
19:26
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I guess I'll just go.
19:28
[SPEAKER_01]: If you're done, I use to talk to a paradise, but we can talk about that.
19:32
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, yeah, I, the first thing I'll say is I do appreciate this movie.
19:38
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, like, I think it has its issues.
19:41
[SPEAKER_01]: I completely agree that like,
19:44
[SPEAKER_01]: the repetition actually ultimately doesn't do much.
19:47
[SPEAKER_01]: And so by the end of the movie, you're sort of left like, what did I just see?
19:51
[SPEAKER_01]: But I do like appreciate this from, I guess in awareness, standpoint, considering the conversation that we had at the top of how often does anyone even think about this?
20:05
[SPEAKER_01]: And so I do appreciate that and like I generally appreciate it seeing the other sides, but like I, but I, but I, especially from the standpoint of this podcast, hate how little we saw address.
20:20
[SPEAKER_01]: Like I thought that even when we got to his section, we would see the pauses and the thinking and the hearing and the learning.
20:32
[SPEAKER_01]: But what we got instead was let's cut to this other man and his daughter in Chicago.
20:37
[SPEAKER_01]: And I was like, this is impactful and meaningful.
20:41
[SPEAKER_01]: But they oftentimes would cut back to it just right at a moment of him blurting something out.
20:49
[SPEAKER_01]: He's thinking his wheels are turning.
20:51
[SPEAKER_01]: Something's going on for the president who has to make these decisions.
20:55
[SPEAKER_01]: And that was from just from the standpoint of this podcast or maybe even from the standpoint of living in a world where this could be a reality at any point, frustrating to not see.
21:08
[SPEAKER_01]: Like genuinely frustrating to not see the anger build in him so that he can then have the kind of
21:17
[SPEAKER_01]: couple outbursts that he had.
21:18
[SPEAKER_01]: So that was, that was annoying to me.
21:22
[SPEAKER_01]: But like, I mean, you know, in general, you know, like the conceit of like, you know, we're kind of seeing the same 16 minutes on on on repeat.
21:31
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's, you know, and it's potentially the last 16 minutes.
21:35
[SPEAKER_01]: where life existed, how it currently exists.
21:38
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, I mean, I met Maddie and Kat just left.
21:42
[SPEAKER_01]: I hugged them very tightly when they left.
21:46
[SPEAKER_01]: I always hug them when they leave.
21:48
[SPEAKER_01]: But just now, I hugged them tighter than I typically have been lately.
21:53
[SPEAKER_01]: And so, yeah, I mean, it's, it's, you know, whenever we watch movies like this, I'm always like miserable.
21:59
[SPEAKER_01]: And I, I currently am as well.
22:02
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm just, I hate that I am alive in a world where at any point everything could just explode.
22:11
[SPEAKER_01]: It's it's it's infuriating and there's and there is nothing to be done as far as as far as my state.
22:18
[SPEAKER_01]: No.
22:20
[SPEAKER_01]: No, cheers.
22:21
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm also drinking.
22:23
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
22:23
[SPEAKER_01]: I'm drinking.
22:27
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
22:27
[SPEAKER_01]: So let's go.
22:28
[SPEAKER_03]: I think to me one of the reasons
22:33
[SPEAKER_03]: just didn't quite have the impact that I think it wanted to was because I've seen paradise.
22:41
[SPEAKER_03]: And I think paradise is like, that show, while that show has its own flaws, like it told this kind of story well now, it's a TV show, so it's like kind of unfair.
22:54
[SPEAKER_03]: But I will say like that episode, you both seen paradise?
22:57
[SPEAKER_03]: I have a lot of it.
22:58
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, I've seen all of it.
22:59
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
22:59
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
23:00
[SPEAKER_03]: Like that one episode and I mean, it's not that big.
23:04
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, it is a spoiler, I guess, if you've never seen paradise and you don't know what it's about just skip a skip ahead.
23:13
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we'll put it.
23:14
[SPEAKER_01]: We'll put something in the show notes.
23:15
[SPEAKER_03]: Like where to where to skip to.
23:18
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, the episode that shows how it all went down.
23:24
[SPEAKER_03]: that it was one of the most compelling episodes of television I've ever seen hundred percent.
23:29
[SPEAKER_03]: And it did it was essentially this same store.
23:33
[SPEAKER_03]: Yep.
23:34
[SPEAKER_03]: And it was so, like, talk about, like, I felt the emotion of that.
23:40
[SPEAKER_03]: I felt like the struggle of the president making this, having to make these decisions, I felt the, like, the terror, like, the moral conundrum of, like, do we let people know, like the world is about to end or not?
23:54
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, I appreciated in this film where he calls his daughter,
23:59
[SPEAKER_03]: and he winds up like making the decision himself not to tell her.
24:03
[SPEAKER_03]: But I just really, I was just like, man, it's like, I don't know why, but the way that it was communicated in the television show just felt so much more impactful than it was in this movie.
24:16
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, sometimes I felt the movie was maybe a little bit too coy about this stuff, especially considering there's no actual action happening whatsoever.
24:25
[SPEAKER_03]: I just am like, well, let's really talk out what's going on for people as opposed to just everyone doing this like internal, having this internal emotional life, but it's like, but then it became so repetitive because it was just like, I felt like everybody was doing the same thing.
24:43
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, I wish I could have felt what Anthony Raymos was feeling when he like goes out and
24:53
[SPEAKER_00]: Empty.
24:54
[SPEAKER_00]: But his character in particular, I was like, nothing about this guy from what we've seen has shown it.
25:00
[SPEAKER_00]: He would, again, everybody was going to be sad, but for him to have this moment, why I need to walk outside and like, the weapon, like, this guy doesn't feel like, I don't know, he was kind of like, he was almost overly addicted to everyone and like, get the hit like bad news, but because it wasn't like he was having emotional moments, he played off like kind of like, the asshole would do there.
25:19
[SPEAKER_00]: So the see him walk out and like, be material.
25:22
[SPEAKER_00]: I guess or at least if he would have called the person he called or he was talking to on the phone on the way to work, that would meet something different, but it bringing up.
25:31
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what I thought.
25:32
[SPEAKER_00]: I thought he would not do it, but to note, um, bring in a paradise.
25:38
[SPEAKER_00]: I only watched paradise because people kept talking about that episode.
25:42
[SPEAKER_03]: So I got to paradise late and it was it ruined for you like that first.
25:45
[SPEAKER_00]: So it was a so for me, for me, but for me, I'm a person where I'm like,
25:50
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
25:51
[SPEAKER_00]: You could tell me to end, but I'm like, if it doesn't stick to landing, it doesn't work.
25:55
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I don't care about spoilers in that kind of way.
25:58
[SPEAKER_00]: It just has to work.
25:59
[SPEAKER_00]: So I can enjoy it.
26:00
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, yeah, I don't get any pleasure out of that.
26:02
[SPEAKER_00]: But I will say when it got to that episode.
26:05
[SPEAKER_00]: I have watched everything in my mind goes, how does this world end?
26:09
[SPEAKER_00]: Like how did we get here, and you're right.
26:11
[SPEAKER_00]: I think if we would have seen Idris throughout this movie, and both of you guys kind of said this, I needed to see the wheels turning in because this response is such a big deal.
26:24
[SPEAKER_00]: It's such a big deal, and the thing I like about this is that, you know, I'm not necessarily a George Bush fan, but I think we've all have seen photos or videos of when he's in the school with the kids and they come in and tell him about September or live like they're like the world trait you see the footage of him like look like realizing what is happening.
26:43
[SPEAKER_00]: And for me.
26:44
[SPEAKER_00]: I am very curious on what a president like how is that experience like what you do now will change the course of the world forever like if you think about September 11 like I don't necessarily remember
26:56
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, you know, I was younger, like I don't remember too much the time of being able to like go to an airport and not get scanned and not hurt to do all that stuff like I remember we could go to the gate we watch my mom fly off to go to Disney world Disneyland we watched we're all there sure.
27:18
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I can't imagine that.
27:20
[SPEAKER_01]: I can't imagine that.
27:23
[SPEAKER_01]: We just watched, we saw her playing fire off and then we left.
27:26
[SPEAKER_01]: Like I vividly vividly.
27:27
[SPEAKER_00]: But that changed, you know what I mean?
27:29
[SPEAKER_00]: And I think something about this movie, which is so interesting is that what Paradise does very well.
27:33
[SPEAKER_00]: And Briar, I understand what you're saying is a TV show.
27:36
[SPEAKER_00]: But the episode that we're talking about is our 15 minutes.
27:40
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
27:41
[SPEAKER_00]: One episode.
27:42
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
27:43
[SPEAKER_00]: And the nuance of how they showed that president,
27:48
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, my God, bro, like, and we got to see and the thing is we got to see the people who aren't quote unquote important deal with what is happening.
28:00
[SPEAKER_00]: Like you're telling me, if this, if this nuke has come in, was it, it's come, I guess below the clouds at this point, if I got to worry, but if it's below the clouds, nigga see it.
28:11
[SPEAKER_01]: Like we like like we like people see it now like what it like what happens like the most I think we saw is like the newsroom like the biggest miss opportunity if you're not going to tell us if the warhead
28:39
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just think about that episode of paradise, like the thing that I keep thinking about is someone's on the phone with someone like isn't yes, he's on the phone sterling's on the phone with his life when the question and love when yeah yeah yeah and it's just like.
28:56
[SPEAKER_01]: I think this whole time I just kept expecting that to happen something like that to happen and I thought it was going to be with the guy who had the daughter in Chicago.
29:04
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, exactly, and that was a chance they could have done, you know, I mean, I do think it's
29:11
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, it's nice that we, we see him sort of internally realize like okay she's with somebody and he's learning all these things and like hearing him go well at least he's watching him decide at least she's with somebody when she went she goes so wherever yeah.
29:27
[SPEAKER_01]: And that's like, there is something moving about that, but it's, but in terms of like getting anybody riled up about anything, it's like not seeing the impact or anything like that was, it's just like do that.
29:42
[SPEAKER_00]: And this is, this is my thing.
29:44
[SPEAKER_00]: And again, I understand why they didn't show it, but to me, this movie would have been stronger.
29:48
[SPEAKER_00]: If you would have showed two point of views, I would have preferred to stay in that room where Rebecca Ferguson and everyone else.
29:56
[SPEAKER_00]: You could have stayed in that room the whole time, and you could have bounced out, and then you could have stayed with Idris.
30:00
[SPEAKER_00]: So you can do the back and forth because to me, it is something about which I think Paradise does, or it Paradise kind of shows to survive a remorse of realising you are going to be saved when no one else is.
30:14
[SPEAKER_00]: But I think this movie had a chance when they talked about the kill list,
30:18
[SPEAKER_00]: What happens when you are still trying to work to save everyone else and you know, you will not be saved.
30:24
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
30:25
[SPEAKER_01]: But it might not be saved because you say, yeah, you might not only focus on the 16 minutes.
30:29
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, that's part of it too, right?
30:31
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, if we're only looking at these 16 minutes, then we don't.
30:36
[SPEAKER_01]: And none of these people are in Chicago except for that except for the daughter, you know, then then you don't even really see an aftermath because we are stuck in this 16 minutes.
30:49
[SPEAKER_00]: And then the thing is, oh.
30:52
[SPEAKER_00]: Rebecca Ferguson and them, they were in the White House, but the idea was once it lands and they retaliate, they would be next.
30:59
[SPEAKER_00]: Possibly Washington would be next to be hit.
31:00
[SPEAKER_00]: Could be next.
31:02
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, no, no, no.
31:03
[SPEAKER_03]: There wasn't any more other missiles were in the air.
31:06
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, but they didn't know what's basically I get it now.
31:10
[SPEAKER_00]: So once the missile hit,
31:12
[SPEAKER_00]: it would be a question of our other missiles coming or basically we respond will mount more because they already snuck one and got it.
31:20
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, the only people in the media danger are in Chicago and none of the main people that were following are in Chicago, we get a 45 second scene.
31:30
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, we get a one phone call of that.
31:33
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, even in this movie, one of the general said something that is never addressed, which I think,
31:40
[SPEAKER_00]: is also a good place for the movie to have gone.
31:42
[SPEAKER_00]: When he's like, hey, this missile, we don't know where it came from.
31:47
[SPEAKER_00]: We don't even know how it got in our orbit this fast.
31:50
[SPEAKER_00]: Either that means there's a location somewhere.
31:53
[SPEAKER_00]: We didn't know about or someone here, we've been breached.
31:57
[SPEAKER_00]: Like someone has been breached us.
31:59
[SPEAKER_01]: They did say.
32:00
[SPEAKER_01]: He, right, they said it, right.
32:01
[SPEAKER_00]: He said it, right.
32:02
[SPEAKER_00]: He said it.
32:03
[SPEAKER_00]: Like he said, he's like, and we talking to Idris.
32:04
[SPEAKER_03]: And I'm like, like, like, like, there's some security breach so that they were able to to put a dark spot on wherever this missile was launched.
32:14
[SPEAKER_03]: They just know it was launched somewhere in the in the Pacific.
32:17
[SPEAKER_03]: And that means that it was probably launched from a sub, like a submarine.
32:22
[SPEAKER_00]: But this is my question, like, and I don't know too much about the, was it the AEGs, but how I have heard of them mainly, it is, you know, and I guess as well known that America has a lot of them, but apparently we have the most, and how I know of them is that, you know, when Israel was being bombed, they had so many that they have the, what did they call it, the dome, so if they have the dome, and we have
32:50
[SPEAKER_00]: How was this?
32:51
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, but it's so different.
32:53
[SPEAKER_03]: And this is the people who explained, I forgot I was listening to the explanation of this, but their iron dome were intercepting short, like, I'm using the term short range missiles, even though these missiles are being launched from a range to Israel and that's far, but it's not the intercontinental missile which are literally go into space and then come back down.
33:20
[SPEAKER_03]: The probability of them hitting like those like short range or mid range missiles is higher because they're not going as high and so like it's just like math, but like it's it's easier and they and they're also throwing Israel's throwing out while many more at a time, but like I think it's just like it's so it's it's way harder to hit the ones the inter that come in yeah the ICBMs like the
33:49
[SPEAKER_03]: They also, I think like they only shot two at them.
33:55
[SPEAKER_03]: I think right in the movie and one of them failed.
33:58
[SPEAKER_03]: And the other thing about that is like, I think.
34:02
[SPEAKER_03]: It's only effective at a certain part when it's up in the air because once it breaches down, if you hit it and explodes, it's a nuclear weapon and it's a explosive versus a cross-problem for.
34:14
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh.
34:14
[SPEAKER_00]: So, and I know they kept saying we can't shoot more because we don't know of more coming.
34:19
[SPEAKER_00]: Say or lie.
34:20
[SPEAKER_03]: Right, they're like, let's not waste it.
34:21
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, that's basically what they're saying.
34:23
[SPEAKER_03]: We only have so many.
34:24
[SPEAKER_03]: And yeah, because even Israel at a certain point they were like, one of the reasons we bombed
34:30
[SPEAKER_03]: Iran is because Israel was like we're starting to run out of these right right like we're going to run out of these at a certain point.
34:38
[SPEAKER_00]: So this will there was something about this movie and again I am very I'm very fascinated with the Rebecca Ferguson character because again out of everybody we saw her family for a little bit just for the open empathy.
34:55
[SPEAKER_00]: Right well she
34:59
[SPEAKER_00]: Hey, we prepare for this, we know what this is, don't worry about it, yada yada yada yada.
35:04
[SPEAKER_00]: And then we slowly see her realize we're fucked, you know what I mean?
35:08
[SPEAKER_00]: And it's something about like, I just kind of wish you would have stayed in that room with them to see like what the young people are like, like, what does it mean to like know something that no one knows does and you can't tell anybody.
35:21
[SPEAKER_00]: And not even if you don't have family in Chicago, but like,
35:24
[SPEAKER_00]: you know, a nuclear war is about to start, you know, like, how does that truly affect you?
35:29
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, I doesn't there were so many misoperalities because once we got to the military, the military, one didn't tell us anything new.
35:36
[SPEAKER_00]: Also, no offense because they the military, like they were so emotionalists that like, I don't know.
35:42
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, like I specifically this thing that you're talking about, I was moved by a little bit of this.
35:47
[SPEAKER_01]: Like I was moved by particularly though in the first iteration, sure.
35:53
[SPEAKER_04]: It becomes like a great.
35:55
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
35:58
[SPEAKER_03]: I think we're about to see something.
36:00
[SPEAKER_03]: So I'm with the anticipation.
36:03
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
36:05
[SPEAKER_01]: And that thing of them, like even,
36:09
[SPEAKER_01]: not being able to use their phones and not knowing what to say and not being able to, you know, and then we get, I think, by the second one, people just being like, go home.
36:20
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, people tell them people, go home and it's like, I feel like there's a middle ground between these two.
36:27
[SPEAKER_00]: That works.
36:28
[SPEAKER_00]: And what you're talking about is paradise.
36:31
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, in a thing, it's this movie is an hour and 55 minutes.
36:35
[SPEAKER_00]: That episode of Paradise is like 115 or something like that.
36:38
[SPEAKER_00]: And Paradise does it in a shorter amount of time.
36:40
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, you see everyone trying to get to the phone, you realize like, um, starting to get Browns character.
36:47
[SPEAKER_00]: has clearance to go, but not his partner.
36:50
[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I mean?
36:51
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, you see people trying to get to them.
36:53
[SPEAKER_01]: And they try to do that.
36:54
[SPEAKER_01]: And like when when the president leaves and the guy, I think this name was Ken is left behind.
37:01
[SPEAKER_01]: And it's like he's worked for three presidents and he can't even get on a
37:07
[SPEAKER_00]: You're going to live hell, like I'm just never working for three presidents, you know, uh, but that's yeah, that's the thing is like when that kind of chaos and Sue's like when the guy from the communication department goes, Joe, if we do this, we will start a panic and they do it.
37:22
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
37:22
[SPEAKER_00]: So they do that they do the thing and I'm like, yeah, the panic has started and I'm like, what, what is happening at the White House on people trying to get on these ships?
37:30
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, literally when you watch paradise,
37:33
[SPEAKER_00]: The most saddest thing in Paradise is one of the, I forgot what the part of my she worked.
37:38
[SPEAKER_00]: She's like, one of the assistants for the president in the whole episode and you knew it was going to happen.
37:44
[SPEAKER_00]: Like Sterling's answer about her son and the son is like, you know, have a problem with that school.
37:48
[SPEAKER_00]: He's sick.
37:49
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, and then as episodes going on, everyone is realizing there's a problem.
37:55
[SPEAKER_00]: And she's realizing there's a problem.
37:57
[SPEAKER_00]: And she keeps coming to him like can you tell me can you tell me he can't can you at least put my son on this plane like please get my son on this plane and you see the confliction with like sterling but still trying to get his wife and his kids you know you try to get his family and we didn't get that in this movie we just got like it's almost like we you know where like we do improv is like when you talk we don't improv you can't make a scene about a person who's not in the same
38:23
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, it's like, you can't, just a percent.
38:25
[SPEAKER_00]: But we had a boogie sauce in Chicago.
38:27
[SPEAKER_03]: It's gun, it's just like, we have the thing, but it never goes off.
38:31
[SPEAKER_03]: It's just, I don't know, it's the repetition.
38:34
[SPEAKER_01]: It's just, it's just wife.
38:36
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, on the serengetty or some shit.
38:39
[SPEAKER_01]: So like, if nuclear war, okay, I'm now getting upset.
38:43
[SPEAKER_01]: Because nuclear war is about to jump off.
38:47
[SPEAKER_01]: And the first lady is in Africa or wherever she was.
38:52
[SPEAKER_00]: She's on safari.
38:53
[SPEAKER_00]: Delfast.
38:55
[SPEAKER_01]: What?
38:55
[SPEAKER_01]: What?
38:55
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, like, what's going on for him internally is not just, oh, do I make this?
39:01
[SPEAKER_01]: He is not just thinking, oh, do I make this decision and strike X, Y, and Z?
39:06
[SPEAKER_01]: He's going, well, but if my wife is overseas, or if my wife is, oh,
39:13
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, he should have that push and pull too.
39:16
[SPEAKER_01]: He's not just worried about the, why even show that she is in a place like that, if not making that have an emotional effect on the scenario.
39:26
[SPEAKER_03]: Can I just say this?
39:28
[SPEAKER_03]: Maybe this isn't fair.
39:30
[SPEAKER_03]: No, it's going to be fair.
39:31
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't get it.
39:34
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't get why he had to make a decision before this nuclear bomb hits Chicago.
39:39
[SPEAKER_03]: I understand what they explained to me, yeah, but you believe it or you don't buy it.
39:45
[SPEAKER_03]: It seems, no, but it seems insane.
39:49
[SPEAKER_01]: It's definitely on at that point.
39:50
[SPEAKER_03]: It's definitely on at that point, but the idea, the idea, the idea that if we launch all of our nuclear weapons to try to knock out other people's facilities, all simultaneously,
40:10
[SPEAKER_03]: that we have a chance of people not shooting, not shooting nukes back, seems that seems like so illogical, like to the point where it doesn't feel, it's just like, because they're like, well, what are we gonna do?
40:24
[SPEAKER_03]: Show that show our enemies that were weak, and it's like, no, what do you mean?
40:29
[SPEAKER_01]: Like, what about it seems illogical to you?
40:33
[SPEAKER_01]: I think that'll be what I hope.
40:35
[SPEAKER_03]: I think, I think that,
40:38
[SPEAKER_03]: Once we launch a bunch of nuclear weapons towards other countries, we are 100% guaranteeing that we're going to get hit with more nuclear bombs.
40:50
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
40:50
[SPEAKER_01]: But the understanding, at least that I get from the movie and from what they're talking about.
40:56
[SPEAKER_01]: And the last guy at the end who had all of the maps and stuff.
41:03
[SPEAKER_01]: solidified it, which is like, if you hit these specific targets, this will seemingly neutralize all possible nuclear counter attacks.
41:18
[SPEAKER_01]: If you hit these targets, now they don't know where
41:22
[SPEAKER_01]: This thing was even shot from.
41:24
[SPEAKER_01]: So who knows if there's like more on whatever whatever that.
41:27
[SPEAKER_01]: Right.
41:28
[SPEAKER_03]: That's what it just says.
41:29
[SPEAKER_01]: But but the thought is like at least from there from the intelligence that they have do do all of this and that will at least and and I don't I guess I don't believe that.
41:41
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, like I don't I do not believe because because because it takes time once you launch those weapons it takes time for them to go and the idea that not a one single country has any capability of figuring out that they that we've launched nuclear weapons so that they don't have us they don't have a chance to launch it back before they get apparently people apparently
42:10
[SPEAKER_00]: whoever did it and when they were going through it scenarios with Greta, whoever did it was prepared to either get hit.
42:17
[SPEAKER_00]: Like apparently they were saying like some countries were so in desperate need that they were prepared for whatever we came in return.
42:24
[SPEAKER_00]: Right.
42:24
[SPEAKER_00]: That's you saying North Korea.
42:27
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
42:27
[SPEAKER_01]: And the the other thing to though is is no you are right.
42:31
[SPEAKER_01]: It is very likely that any of those places that readied would also fire back.
42:36
[SPEAKER_01]: But then it would just be
42:39
[SPEAKER_01]: those weapons and then, and then seemingly no more.
42:45
[SPEAKER_03]: So, so when there's any whole idea of this is, oh, maybe we had, so there is this small chance where America only gets hit by like 10 nuclear bombs and we nuke the rest of the world.
43:01
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes.
43:01
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, exactly.
43:02
[SPEAKER_03]: And that is it, I mean, it
43:04
[SPEAKER_03]: And look, I understand this easily could happen.
43:08
[SPEAKER_03]: It just feels like it feels insane.
43:14
[SPEAKER_03]: And it feels insane that that many people would be advocating for it.
43:18
[SPEAKER_03]: Because it's just like even in the best case scenario of what they're laying out.
43:24
[SPEAKER_03]: a third of or two thirds of the globe at least is covered in nuclear holocaust.
43:29
[SPEAKER_01]: And the big problem too is also not knowing where it came from.
43:33
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
43:34
[SPEAKER_01]: So because they don't know where it came from, they're like, hit all of them because that's the the literal only way to retaliate is, which is, which is, and it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's,
43:54
[SPEAKER_00]: The president why he's escaping.
43:56
[SPEAKER_00]: They're like, hey, everyone is getting ready for an armors race because of resources We need to get our weapons ready and he purposely is like, right.
44:05
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, they tell him we have the the bombs Oh, we got the MP which one to be gonna do and like it happens quick like he's in it is almost as fast as was happening with Idris like as they're walking him They are telling him you gotta pick one and when he gets on the plane
44:21
[SPEAKER_00]: They're like, nigga, pick one, you know?
44:23
[SPEAKER_00]: And he is saying the same thing.
44:27
[SPEAKER_00]: So, which is like, if I do this, so many people will die.
44:32
[SPEAKER_03]: And no one is like, well, yeah, the other guy, the one dude who seemingly was the only rational person talking to the president, the dude who is like, getting out of the car in their car, and that honestly was the most
44:48
[SPEAKER_03]: It was the most active.
44:50
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know.
44:50
[SPEAKER_03]: It was the most interesting of all the things because he's like trying to talk to them Well, he's just trying to talk and doing that and I was like, this is so real.
44:56
[SPEAKER_03]: The so real And I make him fun to him own the call because they're like, oh, and he's like and he's like, and he's like I have to keep talking because if I don't maybe the world is going to end
45:07
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, we have some reason I'm the only person.
45:11
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm the only person who's going to say this thing.
45:13
[SPEAKER_03]: Hey, it means like, oh, and it just is like, okay, but if I do what you're asking, it sounds like surrender, which by the way, what the, what?
45:21
[SPEAKER_03]: That's insane.
45:22
[SPEAKER_03]: It's not surrender.
45:23
[SPEAKER_03]: What are you talking about?
45:24
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, anyway, you hit me with a new, because it's, you know, whoever, because you don't launch immediately, because you wait to see, just wait to see what's going to wait to see.
45:37
[SPEAKER_01]: The other thing that hit me, the thing that hit me too, was because of the wait and see issue was like, whoever did the strike is one thing, but then if the other enemies fall in line and they're like, yeah, actually fuck them.
45:55
[SPEAKER_01]: Like that becomes the other thing.
45:57
[SPEAKER_01]: It's like, do you have to do the, again, this is the only the talk of war I genuinely hate everything I'm saying, but it's like that you literally have to retaliate is the thought, because then if you don't do the show of force, then you do a little bitch.
46:16
[SPEAKER_00]: And basically, yeah, and they're like, we can't take a onslaught.
46:19
[SPEAKER_01]: that you can just get any x, y, and z.
46:22
[SPEAKER_01]: And of course, but like, of course, no, right, of course, no, because they don't have any information.
46:28
[SPEAKER_01]: But, but x, y, and stick to nuclear power doesn't know that they don't have.
46:35
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
46:35
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, I will say, this is how the military thinks.
46:40
[SPEAKER_03]: This is the equivalent of.
46:43
[SPEAKER_03]: And this is not a political podcast.
46:44
[SPEAKER_03]: This is the end of Israel dropping bombs on Gaza because they're like, well, Hamas is in here somewhere.
46:51
[SPEAKER_03]: So why don't we just destroy everything?
46:54
[SPEAKER_03]: Exactly.
46:55
[SPEAKER_03]: And it's the equivalent of police being outside and one person throws a can and they just light up an entire crowd.
47:04
[SPEAKER_03]: Like that is what it is.
47:06
[SPEAKER_03]: And it's like, oh, these people are so ready to kill
47:11
[SPEAKER_03]: All it takes is one person and you're willing to kill everybody now.
47:16
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, it's it is insanity.
47:18
[SPEAKER_01]: It is actual insanity because it's just like Like okay, so that is that is what that is the That becomes the reason why what you're saying right now is the reason why I do appreciate That it's just 16 minutes on repeat versus any before or any after because
47:40
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, it just was just playing basketball and now he has to decide whether or not he's going to end the world in the world is going to end the world and he's going to end the world and he goes this is insanity and it's like and then they got there says no this is reality, but like yes reality is literally that insane it is that the being on the precipice of nuclear war and and the nuclear and the doomsday clock being on, you know, they just moved it even closer to to to midnight.
48:08
[SPEAKER_01]: Just, you know, a couple months ago.
48:11
[SPEAKER_01]: is insane, it just is insane.
48:15
[SPEAKER_01]: And you're gonna have some, you're gonna have a second, I don't know what's hex is gonna say, but you're gonna have a secretary of defense going, well, we better hit them all, you know?
48:26
[SPEAKER_01]: And you're gonna have hopefully, someone we're gonna have a Jake Barrington or a president in office that is going, I don't think I could should do this right now, hopefully, in the real world.
48:40
[SPEAKER_00]: The president that we have.
48:45
[SPEAKER_03]: I honestly, this movie is terrifying to me, bro, because the, yeah, also didn't, I mean, in real life, didn't this almost happen?
48:52
[SPEAKER_03]: Didn't like somebody make an order in somebody go like, I'm not gonna fall that order and we prevented the nuclear holocaust already.
48:59
[SPEAKER_03]: Like, didn't this already happen in the 60s or something?
49:01
[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, that, that, that, yeah, they put just, we're just, we're in them.
49:05
[SPEAKER_00]: Which is paradise is, but like, paradise discuss exactly that.
49:08
[SPEAKER_00]: He's like, I'm not doing it.
49:10
[SPEAKER_00]: And then which is real, which is real, you know, our government created like I don't know what it's called.
49:16
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if the real world, sorry, the real world saying is what they say in Paradise, but is that MP thing which does shut out like a portion of like yeah MP MP it's just an portion of the nation which also was a very bad thing to do.
49:31
[SPEAKER_00]: But I struggle because I know you guys are saying we needed to see the fallout.
49:35
[SPEAKER_00]: I understand why we didn't
49:39
[SPEAKER_00]: You know, I mean, it could it, it could it in it.
49:42
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, that's what I mean.
49:43
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't, I don't mean like we actually need to see like a terminator, two kind of, I just, I just want to know, I guess there's two things that the movie never tells us, which is, does it just launch the nukes, or does the missile that hit Chicago actually blow up?
50:01
[SPEAKER_03]: We don't know either of those things.
50:04
[SPEAKER_03]: Exactly.
50:06
[SPEAKER_03]: And then the movie ends and you're just kind of like,
50:10
[SPEAKER_01]: if they would have cut to just the that guy's daughter and her boyfriend walking down the street and we just heard their conversation and then and then we're here something in the distance and they just turn just exactly literally just that would have would have moved I would have been like oh shit oh the perfect movie all the Oscars probably maybe not all the
50:38
[SPEAKER_01]: They had it, it's a lot of air compelling.
50:41
[SPEAKER_01]: It's 100%.
50:42
[SPEAKER_03]: I don't know why, I don't, I mean, yeah, I'm just trying to talk out why I felt so undersold and underwhelmed by, because I felt like the premise of this and like, like I said, the first,
50:58
[SPEAKER_03]: Before it resets, I was fully in.
51:02
[SPEAKER_03]: Even though it just wasn't there and I was annoyed by that.
51:04
[SPEAKER_03]: I was fully, I was fully like, okay, great.
51:07
[SPEAKER_03]: But then I was like, when I realized if we were just gonna get this thing on repeat, I was kinda like, oh.
51:13
[SPEAKER_00]: Also, Bray, you already had seen paradise.
51:16
[SPEAKER_00]: I think that does a big portion of a thing.
51:18
[SPEAKER_03]: I do think so too.
51:19
[SPEAKER_03]: I just think the paradise episode is so much work of felling.
51:22
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, so the movies, the sum of all fears is similar, right?
51:24
[SPEAKER_03]: The sum of all fears is their choice.
51:26
[SPEAKER_03]: I'll chase down this new, and then when that movie ends, the new does go off.
51:31
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't know.
51:34
[SPEAKER_00]: Shit, the sum of all fears.
51:37
[SPEAKER_00]: That is a very important thing.
51:38
[SPEAKER_00]: I think it's like,
51:40
[SPEAKER_00]: I hate to say we've seen this and we've seen it done better.
51:42
[SPEAKER_00]: You know what I mean?
51:43
[SPEAKER_00]: I think we've witnessed it again.
51:46
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, but then I also say this from an awareness standpoint, you know, I mean, play this in classrooms when you're talking about what you're talking about, the breadth of government, the chain of command and, and, you know, and the fact that Nuke's exist.
51:59
[SPEAKER_01]: Sure, watch this in a, watch this in a social studies class, you know what I mean?
52:03
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, sure, but like, but also this movie had the him problem,
52:09
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I mean, but it had so many ideas and philosophies that we didn't talk about, like when it got to the FEMA character, she goes, would you expect people to do hat under the desk?
52:21
[SPEAKER_00]: Like if this hits, at one point she goes, it's 10 million people and maybe a million more downwind.
52:33
[SPEAKER_00]: And she called out, she called out.
52:36
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, what's the fall out of that?
52:38
[SPEAKER_00]: I got to think there's a thing of, and again, unfortunately, like, paradise does it better, and I'm pretty sure, season two, we will see the world.
52:45
[SPEAKER_00]: Hey, I got a friend on that too, he won't tell me shit.
52:49
[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, I don't know that.
52:50
[SPEAKER_00]: That's what I was on, Perda.
52:51
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like he's in this new season, so he's a new character, but what I'm like, man, you need to tell me nothing.
52:58
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I was like, bro, I was, I was trying to ask so many questions.
53:01
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, tell me you was, he can tell me behind the scenes.
53:04
[SPEAKER_00]: She was going to care about that.
53:05
[SPEAKER_00]: What happened?
53:06
[SPEAKER_00]: What's that?
53:07
[SPEAKER_00]: What's the plot?
53:08
[SPEAKER_01]: Tell me what's happening in the scripts.
53:09
[SPEAKER_01]: Tell me what's happening in the scripts.
53:11
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, wait.
53:12
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, let's go.
53:13
[SPEAKER_00]: Let's just throw in here.
53:17
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, it was 1983, for sure, I say, you as an assistant.
53:21
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, they talk about it in the movie.
53:23
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
53:25
[SPEAKER_00]: Uh, uh, I mean, again, I'm very curious about like, I think this movie set up so much stuff is like, and with it's all the time.
53:33
[SPEAKER_01]: I know the thing I want to say, sorry, just real quick.
53:35
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, like who's ball is enough to do this?
53:36
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, who's a, how bad is the world that some country is like,
53:47
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I mean, but even the other thing I think that I've just kept being prevalent to my mind kept going to is like, it really just takes someone not caring for nuclear war to spiral.
54:05
[SPEAKER_01]: Well, this, right?
54:06
[SPEAKER_03]: I mean, like, 100%.
54:07
[SPEAKER_03]: And the one thing that I will say that this movie does well and this kind of what I was talking about is like,
54:15
[SPEAKER_03]: everybody has the feeling including the audience has the field the emotion of what's happening by looking at a dot on a screen.
54:22
[SPEAKER_03]: It's like nothing real like not that it isn't real, but it's just like they're looking at a dot on a screen.
54:29
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
54:30
[SPEAKER_03]: Right.
54:31
[SPEAKER_03]: Like and they're and it's like we're following these protocols, but it's like they're ready to make a decision that will kill.
54:40
[SPEAKER_03]: like hundreds of millions, if not over billions of people, based off of like they're seeing a thing and they're like, hey, our satellite tells us that there is a missile coming in, it's probably a nuclear warhead in Chicago, it's probably going to be destroyed and we're willing to make this decision before that actually happens.
55:02
[SPEAKER_03]: You know, it's like, it's kind of, and in this real story that scholars just shared with us, it's like, that's what almost literally happened.
55:11
[SPEAKER_03]: Soviet Union, their system told them that the US launched five nuclear missiles.
55:19
[SPEAKER_03]: And so they were ready to respond.
55:21
[SPEAKER_03]: They told some dude, launched the missile, launched our counter attack, and he said no.
55:27
[SPEAKER_03]: And then they realized, oh, our system was messed up, but they didn't launch anything.
55:32
[SPEAKER_01]: As the time that we record this, yesterday, an AI thought a man's bag of Doritos was a good.
55:40
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, I heard about an AI, on some college campus or something, thought a man's bag of Doritos was a good.
55:45
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay, so we are, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this,
55:56
[SPEAKER_01]: It's not going to stop, it's the possibilities of this, and maybe that's why, and then maybe even the knowledge of that is partially why, why like, you know, the movie is mostly just highlighting that it is like,
56:15
[SPEAKER_01]: You know, zero's in one's a dot on a screen and a blah, blah, blah, that like they're going to have to make a decision that affects every single living person in the in and again, only in the event of nuclear war, you know, humans have too much power, yeah, we're not capable of making these kinds of decisions and yet we've somehow built technology that impacts.
56:46
[SPEAKER_03]: not just ourselves, but the world, like, it impacts all of life on this planet.
56:52
[SPEAKER_03]: Yep.
56:53
[SPEAKER_00]: And the people we have in charge now.
56:57
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and that's the, I mean, look, the reality is it's like it's scaring no matter who's in charge, but yes, it's even scarier when you're, and people don't think about this anymore, you know, like,
57:09
[SPEAKER_03]: They used the people used to say like, oh, you sure you want that thing is though.
57:12
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, they want there aren't the people that voted.
57:17
[SPEAKER_01]: Want the current president to have the nuclear curve.
57:23
[SPEAKER_01]: That yes, is the answer to the question.
57:26
[SPEAKER_01]: No one is going, I hope someone else makes the decision.
57:31
[SPEAKER_01]: No one that voted for him is hoping that someone else makes a decision in the event of imminent nuclear
57:39
[SPEAKER_01]: No one, not a single, they all want that.
57:43
[SPEAKER_01]: We don't want that, we definitely don't want that.
57:47
[SPEAKER_01]: I don't even know if somebody wanted them.
57:49
[SPEAKER_01]: No, they wanted, they want them more sure.
57:52
[SPEAKER_01]: Maybe they have regret now, but they wanted it then.
57:56
[SPEAKER_01]: They wanted it then.
58:00
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
58:01
[SPEAKER_03]: We haven't talked too much about the performances of this movie and I'll just quickly say, I don't know if it's because I have,
58:09
[SPEAKER_03]: seen it just so much with his British accent like he really hasn't like since stronger bell I feel like he hasn't had to do in American accent much at all young and like he did it in that cowboy movie.
58:24
[SPEAKER_00]: Remember?
58:25
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, concrete cowboy.
58:27
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
58:27
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
58:29
[SPEAKER_01]: Or I like that.
58:30
[SPEAKER_01]: I like that.
58:31
[SPEAKER_01]: I like cowboy.
58:32
[SPEAKER_01]: I literally thought you're talking about dark tower.
58:34
[SPEAKER_01]: That was what that was okay.
58:35
[SPEAKER_01]: No, I'm not talking about that.
58:36
[SPEAKER_03]: No, I'm sure he sounded British and dark tower.
58:39
[SPEAKER_03]: Anyway, I just, it, it was a little distracting for me.
58:43
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
58:43
[SPEAKER_03]: It wasn't.
58:44
[SPEAKER_03]: And maybe it's because we just saw him as the British Prime Minister in the, Oh, that's not why.
58:49
[SPEAKER_03]: Okay.
58:50
[SPEAKER_03]: I was just like, oh, he doesn't sound American.
58:53
[SPEAKER_03]: So I just did it.
58:55
[SPEAKER_03]: It just didn't, I don't know.
58:56
[SPEAKER_03]: I, it was, I don't know.
59:01
[SPEAKER_03]: It was, the performance wasn't quite there for me in this.
59:04
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, it's tough, because I also feel like, and again, I'm, I am not, for the record, I am not trying to start no like, East Coast West Coast beef with British soldiers.
59:15
[SPEAKER_00]: That's the, no, it's actually okay in this, East Coast West Coast.
59:19
[SPEAKER_00]: Because I feel like there's this thing of life.
59:20
[SPEAKER_00]: So where the West Coast, I mean, I guess we are.
59:25
[SPEAKER_00]: Like, like, America, deaf, it is first versus the brits.
59:29
[SPEAKER_00]: America is definitely death row work, okay.
59:35
[SPEAKER_00]: All I'm saying is, like, I don't like, I'm not trying to disc British actors, but it is something sometimes where I'm like, we know, like, and it wasn't just him and his, we was a couple other brits and I'm like, we know man, like,
59:52
[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, no, it what makes me sad about it is, is when I think about what American could have played that part, this age range, if you would have put Sam Jackson in it, people probably would have kind of found a joke, because we all know Sam Jackson, then they'll wouldn't do a part like this, I guess you could have got Sterling, but he's not a big name, big enough name.
1:00:13
[SPEAKER_00]: Also, he's like, I just did this.
1:00:15
[SPEAKER_00]: What do you mean, he's not a big enough name?
1:00:16
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think Sterling is on the same name.
1:00:19
[SPEAKER_00]: World record.
1:00:20
[SPEAKER_00]: That's it for this.
1:00:21
[SPEAKER_00]: It's Alba.
1:00:22
[SPEAKER_00]: Not as Idris.
1:00:23
[SPEAKER_00]: I think Idris is like pretty intense.
1:00:25
[SPEAKER_00]: That's a bit of a style.
1:00:26
[SPEAKER_00]: Sterling.
1:00:26
[SPEAKER_00]: It's Sterling, right?
1:00:27
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I guess so.
1:00:28
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, again, I love Sterling.
1:00:30
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm just, I just don't know if they have the same like, cash you were.
1:00:33
[SPEAKER_00]: I think Sterling is a big enough name for this.
1:00:37
[SPEAKER_01]: I'd certainly have enough names for the for the role, but if but if like if you're gunning for an address, um, that's a very consposure on the list.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know that American version of an address album.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's what I'm saying.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And so I'm like, oh, I would have loved to see like,
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[SPEAKER_00]: Black American do do this.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I don't know who that is in our world right now because we don't have.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I thought we don't have the same type of male black actors to an extent as like British from like 30 to 59 or whatever this would have been Chadwick RIP like that's who they would have you think he's you think he's not too young.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Oh, he would have not been too young.
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[SPEAKER_01]: You don't think so.
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[SPEAKER_01]: No, no, no
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[SPEAKER_01]: And that would have been that would have played a part in it, you know, they would have been like, he's so young.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_01]: He's younger than Idris, right?
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[SPEAKER_00]: He would have been.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So he would have been Brock Brock age when Brock first.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_00]: He would have been Brock age.
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[SPEAKER_01]: So they would have, yeah, they would have played that into it.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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[SPEAKER_02]: I mean, also the young, I cannot just say real quick, they had to black man playing basketball.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We, you, because you mentioned what was going on with George and I literally had to talk about the, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh
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[SPEAKER_01]: like whoever wrote this was going.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Yes, the George bitch.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, they were going like what's just reading the kids so like what's it?
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[SPEAKER_01]: What's a random thing that they can oh yeah, he's doing the jump beat jump shot.
1:02:20
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, we got Angel Reese because of that Angel Reese.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, but also also I did laugh at Angel Reese versus Caitlyn.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I was like it's because we had a black guy because of President Joe.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It wouldn't be like the president like I got the Angel Reese is going to be so bad.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Also shout out.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Angel Reese Also my thing is yeah, I saw Angel Reese in the Victoria secret fashion show.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Do you great job?
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[SPEAKER_03]: You went to that or you saw it.
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[SPEAKER_00]: I saw it first.
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[SPEAKER_03]: First off first off, Ray, test that test and I crossed together first
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1:03:08
[SPEAKER_00]: What's a bad job?
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[SPEAKER_00]: What's a bad job, right?
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[SPEAKER_01]: How do you qualify what a what a what a good job is?
1:03:13
[SPEAKER_03]: You can tell that some of them have They have like there's just their personality the the walk is caught in Okay
1:03:34
[SPEAKER_00]: For the regular everyone at home, Braylock is watching the Victoria Secret lingerie fashion show for the personality.
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[SPEAKER_00]: With your wife?
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[SPEAKER_00]: No.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We were watching it.
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[SPEAKER_03]: We were watching it because our friend did some of the human rights.
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[SPEAKER_01]: We were watching it for the articles.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Watches for fashion show for the personality.
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[SPEAKER_01]: But for the personality.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
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[SPEAKER_03]: You know what?
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[SPEAKER_03]: Actually, Graham made an appearance.
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[SPEAKER_03]: All right.
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[SPEAKER_03]: Great personnel.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Great great personality.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yes, it's on YouTube.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, so you're super.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, okay.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's very funny.
1:04:11
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, about a city.
1:04:13
[SPEAKER_00]: Um, yeah, I mean, all right.
1:04:17
[SPEAKER_00]: Again, I could not get on my head.
1:04:19
[SPEAKER_00]: I think there's anything else to say.
1:04:21
[SPEAKER_01]: I just kept thinking Donald Trump has the codes and he's the last thing I got to say is I'm mad at brave for making me think about this stuff.
1:04:28
[SPEAKER_01]: Same, he watches movie, but I'll say this to me.
1:04:31
[SPEAKER_01]: We do get this thing about it.
1:04:32
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, Pat went to bed early last night because she works, she works very early in the, in the, in the morning typically, but, um, but when I told her what I was watching, she was like, oh, man, I wish you would have told me this yesterday, because I wanted to see it.
1:04:46
[SPEAKER_01]: So, Pat wanted to see this movie.
1:04:49
[SPEAKER_01]: I am mad at Bray for making me watch this movie, but I guess I would have been sent potentially mad at Kat for making me watch this movie.
1:04:58
[SPEAKER_01]: Now, she probably would have just watched it by herself.
1:05:00
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, sometimes you got to be like this, don't you, but anyway.
1:05:02
[SPEAKER_01]: I just wanted to do, I just wanted to wreck her to reflect my anger, right?
1:05:07
[SPEAKER_01]: But look, look, look, watch this movie and then think about these things.
1:05:12
[SPEAKER_01]: And then the other last thing I'll say is Maddie asked if I was watching a scary movie because I don't watch in the mom month.
1:05:17
[SPEAKER_01]: And I said no actually well, yes, I am watching a scary movie said are there monsters in it.
1:05:23
[SPEAKER_01]: I said no there aren't monsters in it.
1:05:25
[SPEAKER_01]: And then she asked is there was their fire in it.
1:05:28
[SPEAKER_01]: And I said yeah there's fire.
1:05:37
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's a suffix experience.
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[SPEAKER_00]: It was very tough.
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[SPEAKER_00]: That's a real suffix experience.
1:06:09
[SPEAKER_03]: Very tough.
1:06:10
[SPEAKER_03]: Like Moses Ingram did a good job, but like I felt like nobody really stuck out.
1:06:17
[SPEAKER_00]: Also you didn't need that character.
1:06:19
[SPEAKER_00]: to me, because we didn't, again, we didn't learn anything new.
1:06:23
[SPEAKER_01]: The thing we got was like, the one thing we got from her is somebody who essentially the entire time was just trying to do her job and was out of the loop.
1:06:33
[SPEAKER_03]: We got the, and it was also being saved.
1:06:37
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah, and she had just got the job for months or like other people were like, oh, so she gets the be saved.
1:06:44
[SPEAKER_03]: And that was the closest we came to.
1:06:47
[SPEAKER_03]: But even that was everything felt mild to me.
1:06:51
[SPEAKER_03]: Great.
1:06:52
[SPEAKER_03]: Yeah.
1:06:53
[SPEAKER_03]: For like the stakes of what was happening, everyone was actually pretty calm cool collected.
1:06:59
[SPEAKER_03]: Yep.
1:07:01
[SPEAKER_03]: Like even the moment where he comes out and like the guy who's like doing the coffee and stuff.
1:07:06
[SPEAKER_03]: Oh, I hate it, I see.
1:07:07
[SPEAKER_03]: And he's like, what's going on?
1:07:08
[SPEAKER_03]: And he's just like, go home.
1:07:11
[SPEAKER_03]: And the guy like doesn't ask any questions and you just leaves.
1:07:14
[SPEAKER_00]: See, break that scene.
1:07:15
[SPEAKER_00]: I struggle with the most because of paradise.
1:07:18
[SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the paradise.
1:07:20
[SPEAKER_00]: It was great.
1:07:21
[SPEAKER_00]: Like the paradise of watching that like janitor and like the
1:07:29
[SPEAKER_00]: having the president go you need to know this and you know what fuck it everybody's got to know it because he was like I got it.
1:07:36
[SPEAKER_01]: They got to say goodbye and again and the guy stayed right doesn't the guy stay and I don't remember if he stays or no it's that he keeps trying to tell him to leave and he's like I'm fine
1:07:46
[SPEAKER_01]: And then he has no one to go to right right is that what it is he has no one to go he has no one to to get about to go back I'm gonna go back and watch that episode for as much as this movie made me mad I am gonna go back in my setup so because that was an interesting part.
1:08:00
[SPEAKER_01]: That's amazing.
1:08:02
[SPEAKER_00]: Man oh man.
1:08:06
[SPEAKER_03]: Well, we made review films not based on how much we liked it, but whether or not helps the cause of leading black actors in Hollywood, if it fully helps the cause, we give it a black fist.
1:08:15
[SPEAKER_03]: Someone helps the cause, we give it a white palm, and if it doesn't really help the cause at all, we don't give it anything.
1:08:21
[SPEAKER_03]: So, this is tough.
1:08:24
[SPEAKER_03]: I'm kind of the real race up our ratings for a house of dynamite.
1:08:28
[SPEAKER_03]: Is it tough?
1:08:32
[SPEAKER_01]: Board leading you said more you said more and then after more you said leading Okay, then after leading you said black actors.
1:08:42
[SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
1:08:44
[SPEAKER_04]: Okay.
1:08:44
[SPEAKER_01]: There we go.
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[SPEAKER_04]: One two three.
1:08:51
[SPEAKER_04]: Yeah.
1:08:51
[SPEAKER_04]: Wow.
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[SPEAKER_02]: Draw.
1:08:53
[SPEAKER_02]: I almost gave it a palm.
1:08:55
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, just gave it a palm drop.
1:08:56
[SPEAKER_00]: But wow.
1:08:58
[SPEAKER_00]: So it was two
1:09:01
[SPEAKER_00]: First off, I feel like I don't like I give in to nothing, and me giving something.
1:09:06
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't like how to say, I don't like how to say.
1:09:10
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't like the feeling it isn't in your way, you say it or more.
1:09:13
[SPEAKER_03]: I almost gave it a palm, but it makes me sad.
1:09:15
[SPEAKER_03]: It's hard for everybody.
1:09:16
[SPEAKER_03]: It's hard for me to say that.
1:09:21
[SPEAKER_03]: anybody stood out enough in this film that it could create an opportunity for them to get a leading part.
1:09:29
[SPEAKER_01]: I am glad for every actor of color that got to work with Katherine Bigelow.
1:09:34
[SPEAKER_01]: Yes, right.
1:09:34
[SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
1:09:35
[SPEAKER_00]: I huge credit.
1:09:35
[SPEAKER_01]: That's great.
1:09:36
[SPEAKER_01]: Especially the people who like we were talking about the guy that's in the first section who like was just doing a short is now like especially him.
1:09:44
[SPEAKER_01]: People like him are why I was like maybe a poem.
1:09:48
[SPEAKER_01]: But you know he's only in that first
1:09:51
[SPEAKER_01]: one, you know, so he's not a lead.
1:09:55
[SPEAKER_01]: Idris is in all three, but he's only, we only really see him in his one segment.
1:10:03
[SPEAKER_01]: And, you know, so it was, to me, it was like, I don't think this actually promotes leading black actors at all.
1:10:10
[SPEAKER_01]: It does, it gave a lot of actors a color work, which I think is great.
1:10:13
[SPEAKER_01]: But they also shot, they shot to me, they short-changed Idris of acting moments.
1:10:21
[SPEAKER_01]: I agree.
1:10:21
[SPEAKER_01]: I agree.
1:10:22
[SPEAKER_01]: And so for that, I'm like, they're not even really promoting who they have in this movie, really like that.
1:10:28
[SPEAKER_01]: And then the, my man in the first scene,
1:10:31
[SPEAKER_01]: didn't get to have a moment where we see him looking at his phone, but we haven't got to really have a moment with what he's leaving behind or anything like that.
1:10:38
[SPEAKER_01]: So he didn't even even get to have his moment.
1:10:41
[SPEAKER_01]: So that's where I came from.
1:10:43
[SPEAKER_00]: I agree.
1:10:44
[SPEAKER_00]: I mean, I gave it a poem because one of that actor, I think Greta, my friend Yadis at it, I'm like, you know, it is.
1:10:57
[SPEAKER_00]: I think at the end of the day I was like I would have wanted to be in it and I think that's why I was like I think I was just happy to see these people in it.
1:11:02
[SPEAKER_00]: I don't think I enjoyed the movie in any way shape or form in any way shape or form I don't think I enjoyed this movie in any way shape or form I don't think I did I don't think I did but you know three people are in it so good for them you know more than three
1:11:23
[SPEAKER_00]: Well, I don't know, I think the moment, the moment I get on, I have to meet Anthony Ramos until him, we have a one-sided rivalry.
1:11:33
[SPEAKER_00]: because I wouldn't say it's a rivalry.
1:11:36
[SPEAKER_00]: I said, I said one side it, I said one side it.
1:11:39
[SPEAKER_00]: Okay, he's beat you out for a couple things though, right?
1:11:42
[SPEAKER_00]: I've only had like in the last year, I've only had like five auditions in four of them.
1:11:47
[SPEAKER_00]: All with him and I was like, what?
1:11:49
[SPEAKER_00]: Him and Tim Meadows.
1:11:50
[SPEAKER_00]: Like I was like, why is this, what is that?
1:11:52
[SPEAKER_00]: Him Meadows.
1:11:53
[SPEAKER_00]: Bro, that's wild.
1:11:54
[SPEAKER_04]: Don't know what happened in my life.
1:11:56
[SPEAKER_01]: I mean, Anthony's young or older than you, uh, but, but Tim Meadows feels wild to me.
1:12:05
[SPEAKER_00]: Two, two, two, two Meadows for Anthony Ramos.
1:12:08
[SPEAKER_00]: That's my life.
1:12:09
[SPEAKER_00]: What?
1:12:10
[SPEAKER_00]: Yep.
1:12:10
[SPEAKER_00]: That's my life.
1:12:11
[SPEAKER_00]: Wow.
1:12:12
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1:12:14
[SPEAKER_00]: Well.
1:12:15
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1:12:16
[SPEAKER_00]: I'll just do not watch this movie.
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1:12:21
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[SPEAKER_00]: It's hard selling tickets in New York City Your boy is struggling.
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[SPEAKER_00]: So you can grab tickets at the New York comedy festival website You can go on my Instagram or you can go on the UCB website again.
1:16:31
[SPEAKER_00]: My show was but did you die sunday November 7th?
1:16:34
[SPEAKER_00]: I'm sorry, Sunday November 9th at 7 p.m.
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[SPEAKER_00]: Grab them, ticks is open and weak in at a festival, so it should be fun.
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[SPEAKER_00]: And that's it.
1:16:44
[SPEAKER_00]: That is it.
1:16:45
[SPEAKER_00]: All right, we'll see you all next week.
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[SPEAKER_01]: Peace!