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New Evidence in the Beaumont Mystery | Bryan Littlely · Real Crime with Adam Shand

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Speaker 1: Approache Production.
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Speaker 2: Welcome to Real Crime and Adam Shand I'm your host.
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Speaker 2: Adam Shand The Abduction of the Beaumont Children Jane Arner
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Speaker 2: and Grant on January twenty sixth, nineteen sixty six. It's
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Speaker 2: one of the great unsolved crimes in Australian history.
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Speaker 3: Vanished from at Glenell Beach on Australia Day in nineteen
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Speaker 3: sixty six, and their disappearance remains one of Australia's most
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Speaker 3: enduring and high profile cold cases.
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Speaker 2: Year after year we hear the same list of suspects
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Speaker 2: associated with this investigation, and yet the mystery continues no
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Speaker 2: closer to resolution. People have always wanted this case solved
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Speaker 2: because at that time it really took away the innocence
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Speaker 2: of life in Australia in the mid sixties. So when
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Speaker 2: a new name pops up, it's always worth investigating. An
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Speaker 2: Adelaide journalist and podcaster Brian Littley has generated a lot
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Speaker 2: of interest in a known pedophile named Leslie Davis as
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Speaker 2: a credible suspect in the case. I'd never heard of
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Speaker 2: Davis in relation to the Beaumonts, but Brian in his
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Speaker 2: podcast Sleepers Can put Davis on Glenell Beach on Australia
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Speaker 2: Day nineteen sixty.
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Speaker 3: Six, investigators have made an unexpected discovery at the old
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Speaker 3: CASTELLOI site, a slab of hardened sand buried beneath tons
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Speaker 3: of dirt.
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Speaker 2: You can also point to other crimes committed against children
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Speaker 2: by Davis that suggests it's possible that he could have
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Speaker 2: been the culprit. Brian's agreed to share his findings with me.
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Speaker 2: Welcome to real crime, Brian. Good day, Adam, how are
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Speaker 2: you very well? Thanks thanks for coming on. How did
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Speaker 2: the name Leslie Davis turn up in your orbit?
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Speaker 1: Yeah? So it was just through doing the work.
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Speaker 3: I launched Sleepers only in August of this year, and
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Speaker 3: my idea was Sleepers was to I guess originally, I'd
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Speaker 3: come across a lot of information throughout my career as
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Speaker 3: a journalist which just never made the news papers and
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Speaker 3: never made the print for a whole heap of reasons,
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Speaker 3: but mainly because it can be really hard to stack
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Speaker 3: that up and put it out there when you're writing
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Speaker 3: for a news corporation that you really needed to stack
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Speaker 3: up those stories. So there's a lot of things that
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Speaker 3: weren't ever reported or sort of hit the floor, because
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Speaker 3: stories have to be written to link and all sorts
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Speaker 3: of things. The details I wanted to share, I wanted
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Speaker 3: to share them raw and as if it was being
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Speaker 3: told for the first time, or when it was told
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Speaker 3: for the first time. So I went about creating a
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Speaker 3: podcast that would put me in a room with witnesses
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Speaker 3: or victims, people that had a story to tell that
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Speaker 3: I knew that there's some substance to it, and I
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Speaker 3: knew that there were links to least investigations or actual
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Speaker 3: outcomes of people going to jail over these crimes.
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Speaker 1: So these of the behind the scenes type stories.
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Speaker 3: I started that process in August, and just a few
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Speaker 3: episodes in I was contacted by Pain Davis. It happens
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Speaker 3: to be a person that my family knew and grew
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Speaker 3: up in the same as me and as around about
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Speaker 3: the same age as. He compacted me and said, hey,
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Speaker 3: we've always had this suspicion about our uncle. There's anyway
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Speaker 3: Cain came on the show. I said, stop stop there,
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Speaker 3: I don't want to hear anymore. Kane came on one
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Speaker 3: of our shows, and in that show he revealed that
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Speaker 3: there's had been we'd know been involved in some crimes
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Speaker 3: because there were some newspaper articles about him abusing some children,
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Speaker 3: a five year old and a seven year old, and
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Speaker 3: he got charged for that and he went to jail for.
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Speaker 1: A couple of years, two of four years he was
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Speaker 1: meant to.
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Speaker 3: But the real story behind that was never really told,
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Speaker 3: and that was that it involved an element of abduction
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Speaker 3: of those two girls. Cain exposed that live and rule
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Speaker 3: on Sleepers. From there we went and got about checking
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Speaker 3: out more on what we could about Les Davis. It
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Speaker 3: happened that we had been told about, or we'd seen
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Speaker 3: some evidence of the name Les Davis some four years before,
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Speaker 3: but no one ever.
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Speaker 1: Responded to her or reacted to her.
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Speaker 3: And that was in just a single Facebook post on
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Speaker 3: the Unmasking the Killers Unmasking the Killer of the Beaumonts
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Speaker 3: book or social media.
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Speaker 1: Page which you're familiar with, Adam. Yes, it was just.
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Speaker 3: One line that said, this sketch looks like a man
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Speaker 3: that lived with us and abused us. His name is
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Speaker 3: Les Davis. There was zero reaction or response to that.
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Speaker 3: No one ever plicked on that name and said, who
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Speaker 3: do you mean, who's this Les Davis?
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Speaker 1: So there was very little.
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Speaker 3: About Les Davis out there in our endeavors to try
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Speaker 3: to find out more. We went and spoke to that
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Speaker 3: person who made that post, and we've learned a lot
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Speaker 3: more about Les Davis and his crimes. Something very interesting
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Speaker 3: that we did learn very early on is that there's
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Speaker 3: no photographs of Les Davis that all disappeared. His actions
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Speaker 3: are the actions of someone who was trying to hide something.
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Speaker 3: He moved around a lot, and we can place him
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Speaker 3: in a lot of places where some of these crimes
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Speaker 3: ha and place him with people the likes of stan Hart,
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Speaker 3: who I've spent fifteen years researching and finding out information
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Speaker 3: about with regards to the Adelaide Oval abduction, which.
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Speaker 2: Was Joe and Ratcliffe and Kirsty Gordon who went missing
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Speaker 2: in nineteen seventy three from the Adelaide Oval.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and something that Cain had told us on that
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Speaker 3: Sleeper's episode was that his uncle, his grand uncle as Davis,
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Speaker 3: had a mate, Sam who lived in around the Orau area,
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Speaker 3: which is where Yatner is. Is where we've been looking
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Speaker 3: since March April of this year and searching on the
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Speaker 3: property for evidence to support the claims of stand Heart's
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Speaker 3: grandson Mark Trevor Marshall, who wrote a statement to the
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Speaker 3: Mulligan Inquiry that stan Hart was central to the abduction
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Speaker 3: and killings of joe Ane Radcliffe and Kirsty Gordon. So
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Speaker 3: these names come in and it's not just about a
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Speaker 3: single name. It is about the relationships that we are
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Speaker 3: able to without doubt form up and show and the
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Speaker 3: places that this person was and crimes that he's committed,
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Speaker 3: that he's been charged for, that he's been convicted of.
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Speaker 3: You're right, we can put Leiz Davis in Glenell on
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Speaker 3: January twenty sixth, nineteen sixty six, and we can do
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Speaker 3: that by way of his sister Joyce was running a
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Speaker 3: side show operation there or working on the side shows there.
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Speaker 3: And my family's name Joyce Davis and his Davis family
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Speaker 3: for ever in a day, and I know the family
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Speaker 3: locally here in Victor Harbor. In fact, Les Davis I
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Speaker 3: found out a couple of days after hearing Les Davis's
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Speaker 3: name for the first time. He worked on my family
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Speaker 3: farm when my father was ten years old. My father's
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Speaker 3: now eighty three, so he was known then as Les Chapel.
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Speaker 3: And he's changed his name since, going to the married
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Speaker 3: name of his mum. After some time his movements around
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Speaker 3: South Australia fit with a whole Hepochrome Adam. He was
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Speaker 3: Injuna in nineteen fifty eight at the same time and
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Speaker 3: with the Sideshows. He did some working alongside his sister
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Speaker 3: and picking up jobs around side shows in the line.
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Speaker 3: He was working with the Sideshows in nineteen fifty eight
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Speaker 3: at the time of the Mary Hattam murder. We can
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Speaker 3: put Les Davis in some very very critical spots at
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Speaker 3: some very critical times when it comes to crimes against
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Speaker 3: children in particular.
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Speaker 2: So Mary had him murder at s Juna, which was
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Speaker 2: of course the famous Stuart case.
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Speaker 4: Yes, and my grandfather Jack CHANQC.
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Speaker 2: He was at that time represented Stuart at the Royal
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Speaker 2: Commission where he stormed out and called it a kangaroo court.
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Speaker 2: And Max Rupert Stewart he had his death sentence commuted
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Speaker 2: eventually but was never never had it quashed and did
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Speaker 2: a life sentence. And I think he always lived with
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Speaker 2: the stain that he was believed to have been the
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Speaker 2: killer of this little girl.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and look we've done some research into that as well,
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Speaker 3: when we find some statements from some people that support
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Speaker 3: that there was no way that he could have done
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Speaker 3: that crime he was where he said he was working
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Speaker 3: at the side shows at that time. So we have
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Speaker 3: a real interest in Les Davis. And we have that
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Speaker 3: also on the basis of some information that I'm about
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Speaker 3: to bring out in the next couple of days on
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Speaker 3: sleepers in and around a victim of him, or some
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Speaker 3: victims of him, who had gone to police a number
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Speaker 3: of times from the mid nineteen eighties. Certainly they did
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Speaker 3: have some success in going to police. That is how
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Speaker 3: Les Davis was caught in the act of abusing and
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Speaker 3: abducting two girls from the far north of South Australia
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Speaker 3: in nineteen eighty nine, was on the basis of this
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Speaker 3: family reported to police and they had already done it
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Speaker 3: a couple of times, reported to police the actions of
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Speaker 3: Les Davis against their children. We are told that he
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Speaker 3: had photographs of the Beaumont children in his possession, kept
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Speaker 3: in his wallet, not newspaper equippings, printed photographs.
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Speaker 4: That he may have taken himself.
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Speaker 3: Well, I don't know in the nineteen eighties that it
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Speaker 3: was particularly easy to print at home your own photographs.
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Speaker 3: I mean, you could have a photo lab. We know
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Speaker 3: that he never had anything like that. He wasn't a
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Speaker 3: well to do type person. You couldn't really duck down
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Speaker 3: to the local Kema and get those photographs printed off
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Speaker 3: if you hadn't taken them yourself. So somehow he obviously
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Speaker 3: had obtained If we had to believe the victims that,
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Speaker 3: I have no reason not to. They did take this
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Speaker 3: information to police, and I can have you know, it's
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Speaker 3: confirmed that they did go to police over these things.
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Speaker 3: That's what we try to do with sleeved We try
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Speaker 3: to link it back to some actions by police or
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Speaker 3: in action as it might be. But if we can
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Speaker 3: link it to an authority, we can go to the
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Speaker 3: police and say, did this happen?
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Speaker 1: You check this out? And that's my safety name.
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Speaker 5: I guess adam tremendous because the instance of abductors taking
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Speaker 5: multiple children is rare, and three children is almost unheard
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Speaker 5: of at one time.
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Speaker 2: It takes a particular kind of offender. You've done enough
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Speaker 2: work on Davis in an instance where those two little
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Speaker 2: girls were being abused. What you've established, I believe is
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Speaker 2: that they're in the boot of his car.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's by all accounts, that is what they had
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Speaker 3: been in the boot of his car.
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Speaker 1: The newspaper articles that we've got.
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Speaker 3: We've only got one small article about that core hitting,
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Speaker 3: and that does say that he lured them to the
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Speaker 3: car with lot of his ice creams in a game
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Speaker 3: of hide and seek, which sort of suggests they might
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Speaker 3: have tried to hide them or they put themselves in
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Speaker 3: the boot of the car or something like that. But
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Speaker 3: certainly that family, it was their car, the car belonged
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Speaker 3: to them, and they had simply as Davis away from
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Speaker 3: their home to.
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Speaker 1: Get him away from their children.
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Speaker 3: After he had taken one of these little girls in
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Speaker 3: the middle of the night, stolen her out of her
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Speaker 3: bed and took her off to down a creek bed
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Speaker 3: to abuse her. That's when the father acted sent him
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Speaker 3: in a car. That car came back to their house
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Speaker 3: a couple of days later and he was frantically cleaning it.
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Speaker 3: Now he was arrested for that crime. They did forensically
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Speaker 3: look at that car, so there is evidence to say
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Speaker 3: that he put them in the boot of the car,
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Speaker 3: and he certainly took them away from the Copler caravan
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Speaker 3: Park to Belle Tanner where he was living in the house.
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Speaker 3: So there's certainly that element. And if you're going to
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Speaker 3: look at the person or persons. And I don't know
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Speaker 3: about you, Adam, but there's not a chance in hell
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Speaker 3: that one person alone was responsible for the Beaumont crime
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Speaker 3: or the Adelaide over it just it wouldn't not You've
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Speaker 3: got to look at these crimes and say, you know,
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Speaker 3: it's not just any child abuser has the capacity to
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Speaker 3: do that, Nor do they have the capacity to go
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Speaker 3: from the old abuser or dirty old man to abducting murderers,
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Speaker 3: hide them forever, old man, no sign ever seen.
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Speaker 1: You've got to have a bit more going on than
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Speaker 1: just that. So I don't think that leaves Davis acted
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Speaker 1: alone that Boon crime. And for what it's.
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Speaker 3: Worth, when we have a look at identic its, and
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Speaker 3: identic its are only as good as the sketch artists
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Speaker 3: that's done it and the information that's provided to that
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Speaker 3: sketch artist to form the picture in the first place.
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Speaker 3: We have a look at the Beaumont identic kit that's
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Speaker 3: come from a number of witnesses of people seeing them
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Speaker 3: with the children. Is it the one person or is
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Speaker 3: it a makeup of several people? And I think that's
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Speaker 3: probably more to the point that it's a makeup of
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Speaker 3: several people.
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Speaker 2: That's what I believe as well, because it obviously changed
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Speaker 2: over the journey back in sixty six. There was initially
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Speaker 2: was a younger man, a surfey type character with blonde hair.
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Speaker 2: A bit later on it's a middle aged man with
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Speaker 2: sharper features, swept back hair. But when you've posted the
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Speaker 2: picture that you obtained of Leslie Davis, it does look
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Speaker 2: a lot like the identicate the second one.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, look, I feel that to be the case
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Speaker 3: and the reason I'll post things like that, And you know,
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Speaker 3: I don't put a lot of weight into identic its
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Speaker 3: because they're not photographs, right, they are that interpretation of
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Speaker 3: information that's come in And for what I know is
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Speaker 3: the identic artist at the time, for the moment, he
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Speaker 3: was still hungover or pissed when he did the first one.
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Speaker 3: But that said, if you start to look at the people,
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Speaker 3: the most likely people with the people that you can
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Speaker 3: place on the beach at the time that are in
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Speaker 3: that circle or in that realm, and if you can
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Speaker 3: start to knit together relationships, which we can we believe
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Speaker 3: now and it's only with multiple bits of research and
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Speaker 3: chasing under lines that we believe that Dan Hart was
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Speaker 3: in area at the time. We know that Tony Monroe,
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Speaker 3: a person that I think is very central to this case,
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Speaker 3: and he's locked away for feld sex crimes, which date
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Speaker 3: back to December twelve, nineteen sixty five, is the earliest
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Speaker 3: one that we can get him on one month before
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Speaker 3: those kids went missing. And we know that he was
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Speaker 3: on the beach that day or at Bynell that day
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Speaker 3: on January twenty sixth and was cited, and the witness
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Speaker 3: that cited him has not been ruled out by police
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Speaker 3: as a credible witness. Lere's David we know was there
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Speaker 3: on the day. I can link Le's Davis to Tony
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Speaker 3: Monroe to stan Hart. Can I lenk stand Heart to
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Speaker 3: Tony Monroe. I'm not sure that. Where we have some
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Speaker 3: very interesting lines that we believe we can almost make
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Speaker 3: that link as well, but I can't look at directly
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Speaker 3: linking these people together. Then you start to build that
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Speaker 3: picture of one the identic kid. There's the elements of
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Speaker 3: all three of those people, but two, if you're going
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Speaker 3: to get away with I think you're going to something
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Speaker 3: like that the movement, and you're going to need more
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Speaker 3: than one person.
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Speaker 1: I think.
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Speaker 2: So one of the challenges for anyone looking at this
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Speaker 2: case in hindsight is that the information taken at the
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Speaker 2: time was so imperfect. A couple of police working Glennel
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Speaker 2: Police station are suddenly in and as a keel of
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Speaker 2: people up the street, and as I understand it, a
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Speaker 2: lot of people didn't get to give their evidence or
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Speaker 2: their versions on the day or even days afterwards.
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Speaker 4: How much do you.
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Speaker 2: Think that's a hurdle now to establishing who was responsible.
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Speaker 1: Well, that's a huge hurdle.
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Speaker 3: But also I see people talk about RB very interesting
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Speaker 3: to see the case files. No one's asking the question
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Speaker 3: of how much of those case files exist still, because
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Speaker 3: my understanding is quite a bit of information has been
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Speaker 3: lost over the years. Accidentally destroyed in confidence is probably
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Speaker 3: the way it is. But when they did transfer a
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Speaker 3: lot of hard written statements to the digital files, I'm
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Speaker 3: led to believe that a lot of material was lost,
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Speaker 3: So there would have been missed opportunities. Right from the start,
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Speaker 3: hundreds of people lined up to give information there with
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Speaker 3: only a couple of police officers. We have landed on
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Speaker 3: a witness who says that she spent time with the
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Speaker 3: children at the beach and a man I guess in
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Speaker 3: the late morning of January twenty sixth, nineteen sixty six,
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Speaker 3: with her children and her family. Now, people were really
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Speaker 3: really critical of her. Why didn't she come forward earlier?
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Speaker 3: She's a ninety one year old Aboriginal woman. She was
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Speaker 3: a thirty two year old Aboriginal mom. Life wasn't very
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Speaker 3: easy for a thirty two year old Aboriginal mum in
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Speaker 3: Adelaide in South Australia in nineteen sixty six. She had
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Speaker 3: a white husband and mix braced children. I'm quite sure
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Speaker 3: there's good reason. I know there's good reason for her
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Speaker 3: to have been quite reluctant to come forward as herself.
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Speaker 3: But I'm not sure that her husband never did, or
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Speaker 3: that information wasn't there that police didn't know that this
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Speaker 3: woman existed as a witness. Certainly, over the years police
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Speaker 3: went to her or tracked her down. In twenty eighteen,
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Speaker 3: I understand they went and saw her to ask for help,
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Speaker 3: So they knew about her.
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Speaker 1: They've known about her for an amount of time.
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Speaker 3: Those witness statements and those little bits of hope that
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Speaker 3: sit in amongst all that information and from all those
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Speaker 3: witnesses that might have come forward, there's traces of around
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Speaker 3: the people know this well.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think it's reasonable to suddenly question her
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Speaker 2: evidence on the basis of why didn't.
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Speaker 4: You come forward?
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Speaker 2: We're saying seen the same thing leveled victims of historic
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Speaker 2: sexual assault. Why didn't you come forward years ago? It
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Speaker 2: doesn't devalue to someone's evidence. I think that's just junk
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Speaker 2: in my opinion. The evidence has got assessed on its
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Speaker 2: actual granular value.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, And look if anyone who questioned the integrity of
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Speaker 3: this woman would be absolutely mad if they knew who
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Speaker 3: she was. And when she hasn't come to us to say, hey,
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Speaker 3: I want my story of her. She doesn't want to
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Speaker 3: go out there in the public at all. That's her thing.
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Speaker 3: She doesn't want to be identified at all. I don't
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Speaker 3: question to her witness account one little bit. I think
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Speaker 3: it's absolutely spot on the money, and I think it's
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Speaker 3: very impertinent. I went out with Lea Davis as a
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Speaker 3: person of interest without ever seeing a photograph of him.
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Speaker 3: We didn't have a photograph of him at all. And
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Speaker 3: I did that for a very good reason, because it's
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Speaker 3: all the other information that we have that we know
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Speaker 3: that makes him a very strong suspect. In my mind,
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Speaker 3: I didn't care what the photograph looked like I was
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Speaker 3: of the impression that the photograph would look like the
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Speaker 3: identicate photo, because that's what the witnesses and that's what
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Speaker 3: the victims of him had said.
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Speaker 1: So that was a very deliberate point by me.
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Speaker 2: Based on what you know so far, the information that's
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Speaker 2: come to you, what's your case theory on Davis's involvement
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Speaker 2: and the possible involvement of others.
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Speaker 3: My theory is, I do believe that there's an older
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Speaker 3: person involved in probably encouraging the transfer of children to them,
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Speaker 3: if that makes sense, from some younger, more reckless types
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Speaker 3: who might be able to befriend those kids easily. So
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Speaker 3: my theory is that the idea of the jan and
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Speaker 3: having a boyfriend someone had groomed if you liked an
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Speaker 3: older teenager. In my mind slightly at Tony Munroe, it
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Speaker 3: was like a pied piper at Coldel Get the time
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Speaker 3: boy scout leader who ran a group of young boys
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Speaker 3: diving along those beaches, and approachable type if you are
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Speaker 3: a younger person, someone you could just mix with on
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Speaker 3: the beach, And they did be mixed with him on
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Speaker 3: the beach, so that might have been the way to
19:46
Speaker 3: bring them into the frame an offer of let's go
19:50
Speaker 3: to the side shows. It wasn't a very busy day
19:52
Speaker 3: at Glenel that day. It's not like Australia Day these days.
19:56
Speaker 3: It wasn't celebrated on the day. It was a Wednesday.
19:59
Speaker 3: It was a quieter day. They're the observations that we're
20:02
Speaker 3: getting from three witnesses. But the side was an attraction
20:06
Speaker 3: and was a meeting place for younger people.
20:09
Speaker 1: We know that Les was working there.
20:11
Speaker 3: We know that other people who have been victims of
20:14
Speaker 3: Tony Munroe were in and around that side show area
20:18
Speaker 3: as well. And I believe that that's the direction that the
20:22
Speaker 3: children would have gone and where they would have probably
20:25
Speaker 3: met their abductor at least two people involved in that
20:29
Speaker 3: morning of in the lead up to those kids going away,
20:33
Speaker 3: I am of the strong belief that they didn't leave
20:37
Speaker 3: on foot to go anywhere. My strong belief is that
20:40
Speaker 3: they probably willingly got into a vehicle and left that way.
20:46
Speaker 2: So how does that tally with the last known side thing,
20:52
Speaker 2: if you like, at Wenzel's Bakery where Jane is supposed
20:56
Speaker 2: to be buying all this food first siblings, impossibly other people.
21:00
Speaker 4: Do you think that's credible?
21:01
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I have spoken to a member of the
21:04
Speaker 3: Wenzel family, and you know, that was a few years ago,
21:07
Speaker 3: just out of the blue. I met her at a
21:08
Speaker 3: garage sale, and I don't know what the occasion was,
21:11
Speaker 3: but somehow their Beaumont case was raised in conversation and
21:15
Speaker 3: her response was my family and it was actually a
21:18
Speaker 3: garage tale of her parents' house, said, my family wouldn't
21:22
Speaker 3: have a clue what anyone bought that day or anything
21:25
Speaker 3: like that, so they're not too sure about that that account. Certainly,
21:28
Speaker 3: I think they probably did go to the bakery. How
21:31
Speaker 3: much food they bought and for whom who knows? In
21:34
Speaker 3: my mind a one pound note.
21:36
Speaker 1: They weren't rare. I don't see that as evidence to
21:38
Speaker 1: any effect.
21:39
Speaker 3: You know, people could get a one pound note and
21:41
Speaker 3: tell you what if you were planning on abducting three kids,
21:44
Speaker 3: one pound note coming up with that with the last
21:47
Speaker 3: of your.
21:47
Speaker 1: Concerns, wouldn't it.
21:49
Speaker 3: But certainly David Smith did suggest that he spoke with
21:53
Speaker 3: the person that was with them. He did identify that
21:56
Speaker 3: person as Tony Munroe. And he did also speak with
22:00
Speaker 3: the witness that was the lady on the bench, who
22:03
Speaker 3: is a confirmed witness by Paul. Police have never been
22:06
Speaker 3: able to tell me. They ruled David Smith as a witness. Now,
22:11
Speaker 3: David said that he saw them after they had been
22:14
Speaker 3: bought lunch by the man, so that does fit that
22:17
Speaker 3: signing at the bakery, and the last that David Smith
22:21
Speaker 3: thought of them was them leaving in a sports model
22:26
Speaker 3: car with a man he described or identified as Tony Monroe.
22:31
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, I've always had a problem with this
22:34
Speaker 2: idea that you abduct children and then send them to
22:36
Speaker 2: the bakery to get food.
22:39
Speaker 4: It doesn't somehow tally for.
22:40
Speaker 2: Me, if this is your intention to molest and ultimately
22:44
Speaker 2: murder these children, that you're going to risk letting them
22:47
Speaker 2: out of your sight to go into a bakery to
22:49
Speaker 2: buy food. And I wonder also, can we really be
22:52
Speaker 2: sure that that account is from that day. We had
22:55
Speaker 2: the situation where the postman claimed to have seen them
22:58
Speaker 2: on the same day, but then the latter realized no,
23:00
Speaker 2: it was another day. So some of this stuff, as
23:03
Speaker 2: we said at the outset, the information was not gathered instantaneously.
23:06
Speaker 2: So the longer you take, the more likely you're more
23:09
Speaker 2: more praying you are the mistakes.
23:12
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're absolutely right, Like these observations people coming forward
23:17
Speaker 3: are coming from the right place. Yes we saw something,
23:20
Speaker 3: let's talk about, but they might not know the days,
23:22
Speaker 3: and we do know that the children had been to
23:25
Speaker 3: the beach in the days previous and leading up to it.
23:28
Speaker 3: I have a reasonable amount of confidence in David Smith's account.
23:31
Speaker 3: I have got a letter from his boss. David only
23:34
Speaker 3: came forward in twenty fifteen. He didn't realize that he
23:37
Speaker 3: had seen anything of any note. He didn't even realize
23:40
Speaker 3: that it was Polly Reserved.
23:42
Speaker 1: That the children went from.
23:43
Speaker 3: He thought they disappeared during the Base Sheffield Race, which
23:47
Speaker 3: is completely different. David went off to Puckepaniel three days
23:51
Speaker 3: after the Bowman I'm done. Some three or four days
23:53
Speaker 3: after went off to the Vietnam and he didn't come
23:56
Speaker 3: back in a very good space. But he did have
23:58
Speaker 3: a letter from his boss at Clarson's Glass that stated
24:02
Speaker 3: the twenty seventh of January nineteen sixty six to his lieutenant,
24:06
Speaker 3: describing him as a sensational person who could be put
24:10
Speaker 3: into any role that he might want while he's.
24:12
Speaker 1: Serving, and it was a fantastic character. He should fit
24:16
Speaker 1: very well there.
24:17
Speaker 3: David says that it was his last day of work
24:20
Speaker 3: and he was covering someone else's shift, someone else's round
24:23
Speaker 3: with Clarkson's glass.
24:24
Speaker 1: He wouldn't normally be at clam.
24:26
Speaker 3: Out, so I can certainly put him in that space
24:30
Speaker 3: on that day. I can also certainly put him No
24:32
Speaker 3: one's ever really, I just never come out and told
24:36
Speaker 3: us the identity of the old lady on the bench
24:39
Speaker 3: who confirmed is a witness to the kids playing with
24:42
Speaker 3: a man. Well, David Smith could tell us where she lived,
24:46
Speaker 3: so I think he's quite credible. That's what you've got
24:49
Speaker 3: to do is I go about looking at the investigation
24:53
Speaker 3: space as I'll try to prove you wrong, because it's
24:55
Speaker 3: so much easier to prove someone wrong than it is
24:57
Speaker 3: to prove the right. So we look at these ways
24:59
Speaker 3: or how to discount them as a real witness, and
25:01
Speaker 3: I can't discount.
25:04
Speaker 2: Yeah, it seems the work wasn't done on Les Davis
25:07
Speaker 2: because of course ninety sixty six he's not on.
25:10
Speaker 4: The radar as a sex offender.
25:12
Speaker 2: It may well have been active at that time, but
25:14
Speaker 2: it's not till the late eighties when the full extent
25:17
Speaker 2: of his proclivities is revealed.
25:19
Speaker 4: So he goes under the radar.
25:21
Speaker 2: Do you know if South Australia Police is about they
25:23
Speaker 2: had a good look at him.
25:25
Speaker 4: Based on what you're saying.
25:27
Speaker 3: I know that they searched probably is at corn and Jongla,
25:31
Speaker 3: which is not surprisingly just around the corner from stan
25:35
Speaker 3: Harts Place and also a place where the Marshall family Mark.
25:38
Speaker 3: Marshall's family Mark being the one who wrote the confession
25:42
Speaker 3: to the Mulleting Inquiry about his grandfather and family being
25:45
Speaker 3: involved in that Adelaide oval case. So please did search
25:49
Speaker 3: those locations in recent months? I opposed a question to
25:55
Speaker 3: Detective Heath Leena. He's the lead detective on the Adelaide
25:57
Speaker 3: Oval case. You know whether he'd be sharing some details
26:01
Speaker 3: about their investigations into Les Davis and I'm going to
26:05
Speaker 3: every flat though we will not be so I do
26:07
Speaker 3: know that they've done that.
26:08
Speaker 1: The people that have been closer to that.
26:10
Speaker 3: Have let me know that they were there at certain times.
26:13
Speaker 3: Police were there at certain times doing at least some.
26:18
Speaker 2: Checks, right, because I guess Southern Tralia Police could be
26:24
Speaker 2: a little gun shy about new suspects given they brought
26:28
Speaker 2: into the whole Harry Phipps theory that Glenell resident Harry Phipps,
26:32
Speaker 2: the businessman largely on the strength of testimony from his
26:36
Speaker 2: son Hayden took the children and that he was a
26:39
Speaker 2: known piti fi, that he abused his own family. And
26:42
Speaker 2: it's all on the say so of Hayden. And I
26:45
Speaker 2: looked at this up and down, and I always had
26:46
Speaker 2: doubts about it. But on the strength of this evidence
26:50
Speaker 2: from Hayden, and that also that Harry Phipps might have
26:53
Speaker 2: buried the children on the side of his CASTELLOI factory
26:57
Speaker 2: there in North Blimpton, they went and they didn't find anything,
27:00
Speaker 2: and they seem to have pulled back from any active
27:02
Speaker 2: role in investigating Leeds since what do you know of
27:06
Speaker 2: their attitude towards the Bonont case.
27:08
Speaker 3: Now, I've got to say that it's more the Adelaide
27:12
Speaker 3: Oval case that I've obviously had direct contact with him,
27:15
Speaker 3: and the attitude there is that they don't suggest that
27:20
Speaker 3: anything we've been doing up at Yatna and searching around
27:24
Speaker 3: there has relevance to them. I In fact, their suggestion
27:28
Speaker 3: from the Police Commissioner Grant Stephens when we first started
27:32
Speaker 3: up there was that we shouldn't be giving families.
27:34
Speaker 1: False hope by doing what we're doing.
27:37
Speaker 3: Since that time, they have engaged with the evidence that
27:40
Speaker 3: we've been providing to them, in that they compelled me
27:43
Speaker 3: to hand over a bone which referred to as the
27:46
Speaker 3: Yatna class bone. It's a bone that we found at
27:49
Speaker 3: the property of San Hart's looking at a very specific location.
27:53
Speaker 3: We're actually looking for suitcases that we were told we're
27:57
Speaker 3: buried in the backyard that had come from inside stan
28:01
Speaker 3: Hart's strong room. Stan didn't use banks room within his house.
28:06
Speaker 3: They referred to it as it was puff as Joe
28:09
Speaker 3: and also his strong room. He weren't allowed to go
28:10
Speaker 3: in there, and he dealt in cash only. These suitcases,
28:15
Speaker 3: the contents of which weren't known by the people that
28:18
Speaker 3: buried him, were buried in the backyard and we were
28:20
Speaker 3: appointed directly to where to look for those suitcases. And
28:23
Speaker 3: it was within the remnants of a suitcase that we
28:27
Speaker 3: found that bone with glass lodged into it. It is
28:32
Speaker 3: it is pelvic bone, and it is juvenile pelvic bone.
28:36
Speaker 3: It is ninety percent light that to be human. And
28:38
Speaker 3: that's as assessed by Marchie Henneberg. So I was compelled
28:43
Speaker 3: once we had that reasonable suspicion that it was human.
28:46
Speaker 3: Compelled by South Australian Police to hand over that bone.
28:49
Speaker 3: I was intending to send it or part of it
28:52
Speaker 3: overseas for independent testing, and I had, under instruction from Marchie,
28:57
Speaker 3: I'd taken some cuttings of the bone to hand to
29:00
Speaker 3: South Australian Police one part of that so they could
29:02
Speaker 3: test that forensically. Because they hadn't aids with what we
29:06
Speaker 3: were doing. They did not want to know the barrels
29:09
Speaker 3: that I say we've got. We still have them. I
29:13
Speaker 3: have offered to take them to police multiple times and
29:16
Speaker 3: I've been denied multiple times.
29:19
Speaker 4: They don't want to know them. Tell us about the barrels.
29:22
Speaker 3: The barrels were located at the Pigna Reservoir and they
29:26
Speaker 3: were located by following a map that Mark Marshall grew
29:29
Speaker 3: from his prison cell in two thousand and seven and
29:32
Speaker 3: formed part of the Marligan Inquiry into the abuse of
29:35
Speaker 3: children in state care. He put an X on the
29:38
Speaker 3: map and said this is where you'll find the two
29:40
Speaker 3: girls in this tunnel. When South Australian Police were taken
29:45
Speaker 3: to that site on Christmas Eve two thousand and eight,
29:48
Speaker 3: and also to stan Hart's shack at Yatna by the
29:52
Speaker 3: private investigators who do have links with the outlaw motorcycle gang.
29:57
Speaker 3: They could not locate the tunnel to spot that. Standing
30:00
Speaker 3: one meter in front of it, looking at the wall
30:02
Speaker 3: of a rock based wall, they sten, there's no tunnel here.
30:06
Speaker 3: We're done here, nothing to see here. Funnily enough, when
30:09
Speaker 3: I asked them about the exercise.
30:11
Speaker 1: Of them going out there.
30:12
Speaker 3: When I asked in twenty eleven, South Australian Police denied
30:15
Speaker 3: having any knowledge of even going out there, and I said, no,
30:19
Speaker 3: we've never done that.
30:19
Speaker 1: You're barking up the wrong tree, Bryan.
30:21
Speaker 3: I probably showed them some video and photographs so they're
30:24
Speaker 3: detectives out there, and they they said, oh, well, okay,
30:27
Speaker 3: so we did go out there, but that doesn't mean anything.
30:30
Speaker 1: They didn't locate the tunnel.
30:32
Speaker 3: The private investigators math the cow site rock face wall
30:37
Speaker 3: of the reservoir, opened up the very large tunnel and
30:41
Speaker 3: pulled out two barrels, the contents of which have been tested.
30:45
Speaker 3: They were tested in the Say forensics lab in two
30:48
Speaker 3: thousand and nine. They tested positive for a weak trace
30:51
Speaker 3: of blood and strong traces of ACCID. We've had them
30:55
Speaker 3: tested multiple times and not the team Globin in there
30:59
Speaker 3: and it was that at police said they're inconclusive, but
31:03
Speaker 3: as a hell of a hell of a bloody effort
31:05
Speaker 3: to go to a few kangaroo baites, isn't it?
31:08
Speaker 2: Well, it is, but your belief is that there was
31:10
Speaker 2: acid used to dissolve bodies inside those barrels.
31:15
Speaker 3: And we will check those barrels out with a fine
31:18
Speaker 3: tooth combe. We've not done that because we wanted to
31:21
Speaker 3: be able to provide that material to South Australian Police.
31:25
Speaker 3: We've tried desperately a number of times to make them
31:29
Speaker 3: available to South Australian Police and they've showed no interest.
31:33
Speaker 3: So when you ask about the interest of police in
31:37
Speaker 3: the Beaumont case, I'm seeing similar sorts of pushback or
31:43
Speaker 3: non acceptance of leeds as I am in the Adelaide
31:46
Speaker 3: Over case, which I've been working on for much longer,
31:49
Speaker 3: but as far as much more detail, because we've had
31:52
Speaker 3: better leads. I can say right now, Adam that we
31:56
Speaker 3: are working around And you know, as a journalist and
31:58
Speaker 3: when you go into places to look at such crimes,
32:02
Speaker 3: you get a lot of pushback from the community. Right
32:05
Speaker 3: people don't want to know the journalists trying to write
32:08
Speaker 3: the story and are you're just here to sensationalize and
32:10
Speaker 3: you're going to make our town look bad and all
32:12
Speaker 3: this sort of stuff.
32:14
Speaker 1: I'm in the app and now doing this stuff with
32:16
Speaker 1: a fantastic team.
32:17
Speaker 3: But the support that we are getting in that community
32:20
Speaker 3: from the locals is overwhelming, the positive, the amount of
32:25
Speaker 3: information that's flowing through. I can't believe how much detail
32:30
Speaker 3: we're getting. There is not one person that I've heard
32:34
Speaker 3: from in that region that says we're on the wrong trap.
32:38
Speaker 3: And I've had dozens and dozens and dozens They Bill
32:41
Speaker 3: knew it was him, Bill knew it was him.
32:44
Speaker 1: Stand Hart.
32:46
Speaker 2: You talk about a level of protection for these suspects
32:49
Speaker 2: in South Australia, possible collusion, cooperation, working together. Of course,
32:54
Speaker 2: this brings up the specter of the family. Do you
32:57
Speaker 2: believe in the family that there was this high level
32:59
Speaker 2: group of pedophiles abducting, abusing and murdering children.
33:04
Speaker 1: I do.
33:05
Speaker 3: Why Well, I've got the maps that map out the
33:08
Speaker 3: whole network, and we've had them. They were produced in
33:11
Speaker 3: two thousand and four, So I do believe in that,
33:15
Speaker 3: and I'm seeing direct evidence to support the fact that
33:21
Speaker 3: someone the likes of stan Hart had the eyear of
33:25
Speaker 3: very very influential people at the time when he was
33:28
Speaker 3: going through his court case in nineteen sixty six, that
33:31
Speaker 3: he had the confidence there to say that people know
33:34
Speaker 3: that you're telling lies. This is a victim to torment
33:38
Speaker 3: that victim with letters or have letters written to torment
33:43
Speaker 3: him to say that Don Dunstan, who would then become premier,
33:47
Speaker 3: knows that you're lying to These were crimes that the
33:51
Speaker 3: judge said that he should be put away for life
33:53
Speaker 3: for stand Hart the abuse of this one girl, and
33:58
Speaker 3: she's come on to sleepers and spoken about this. The brave,
34:01
Speaker 3: brave woman she is. Her life was destroyed by that man.
34:05
Speaker 3: Now he was told in court by the judge that
34:10
Speaker 3: he was deserving of a life sentence what he had done.
34:14
Speaker 3: He got three years and he was out with him
34:16
Speaker 3: just over a year. One month after Don Duncan became
34:20
Speaker 3: Premier who a letter to this victim to torment her
34:24
Speaker 3: made reference direct reference to Don Dunstan knowing that she
34:28
Speaker 3: was like, doesn't stack up to me, you know it
34:33
Speaker 3: speaks from him. There's writings from his family from sand
34:36
Speaker 3: Hart's family that say that he made direct deals with
34:40
Speaker 3: Don Dunstan over the care of his intellectually disabled sun
34:44
Speaker 3: direct deals.
34:45
Speaker 1: Don Duncan went to a convicted.
34:47
Speaker 3: Pedophile's house and made a deal with him to look
34:50
Speaker 3: after his intellectually disabled some for life. That rings alarm
34:55
Speaker 3: bells to me when we start to talk about this.
34:57
Speaker 3: Whether it's protection or a level of knowledge and communication
35:01
Speaker 3: between these people, that might be all it is, but
35:05
Speaker 3: there's definitely evidence to support that.
35:07
Speaker 2: Adam right and a lot of people say this, And
35:09
Speaker 2: one of the key figures who could help in all
35:11
Speaker 2: this is Bevan Spencer von Ainem, convicted child murderer. He
35:16
Speaker 2: killed fifteen year old Richard Kelvin, the son of Rob Kelvin,
35:19
Speaker 2: the newsreader back in nine and eighty four.
35:21
Speaker 4: Was convicted nine eighty four.
35:23
Speaker 2: Unfortunately, since we did this interview, Bevan Spencer von Einem
35:27
Speaker 2: died taking his filthy secrets to the grave.
35:31
Speaker 4: He could help so much. Do you think he has
35:33
Speaker 4: information that could resolve some of this?
35:36
Speaker 3: Oh, definitely he has information that could resolve some of this.
35:39
Speaker 3: But it's not information that's not known by a whole
35:41
Speaker 3: heap of people who aren't in prison and can readily speak.
35:45
Speaker 3: It's not unknown by a whole heap of people who
35:49
Speaker 3: are in positions of authority who could readily put that
35:52
Speaker 3: out there into the public arena.
35:55
Speaker 1: Of course it is.
35:56
Speaker 2: And I think the success of Sleepers and the amount
35:59
Speaker 2: of people coming to you, listening to the podcast, coming
36:03
Speaker 2: to your Facebook page making Contrybus shows the level of
36:07
Speaker 2: skepticism by the average person in South Australia. The justice
36:11
Speaker 2: has not been done and the conspiracies, if you can
36:14
Speaker 2: call them that, do persist. They're not resolved. And as
36:17
Speaker 2: you say, there are people out there who know more
36:21
Speaker 2: and haven't shared it.
36:22
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's really hard with the Sleepers thing because some people,
36:27
Speaker 3: if you sit there and go they might go I
36:29
Speaker 3: know this, and I know this, and I saw this.
36:31
Speaker 3: I've made the rule that we have to be able
36:34
Speaker 3: to connect it to an authority, you know, there has
36:36
Speaker 3: to have been some police action or so we can
36:39
Speaker 3: actually bring it back and close that loop so you
36:42
Speaker 3: can get past that word conspiracy. No, this happened, There
36:46
Speaker 3: is a result here, or there is these people have
36:48
Speaker 3: been to authorities and tried to be heard and they
36:51
Speaker 3: haven't been heard, or it's just got buried in there.
36:53
Speaker 3: There was so much of this stuff going on through
36:56
Speaker 3: a period of our life in South Australia and around Australia.
36:59
Speaker 3: There's no doubt around the world that this stuff has
37:02
Speaker 3: always happened, but there was so much of it too.
37:05
Speaker 3: Actually get something that isn't drowned out by the smaller
37:09
Speaker 3: And I hate being saying that that no abuse of
37:12
Speaker 3: a child is insignificant, right, but there's some that's more
37:15
Speaker 3: important to actually finding the answers. So that's one of
37:19
Speaker 3: the challenges with doing something like this is you just
37:22
Speaker 3: get a pile on of information and it's again sorting
37:26
Speaker 3: out what you can work with rather than you know,
37:29
Speaker 3: not ignoring, but what can I work with to get
37:31
Speaker 3: to that next step?
37:33
Speaker 2: And might I add that you're doing all this out
37:37
Speaker 2: of love really, and you're out here, you're supporting all
37:39
Speaker 2: your work by working on the family farm.
37:43
Speaker 3: Yeah, well you know, people get oh, I want to
37:45
Speaker 3: answer my question, why don't you do this?
37:46
Speaker 1: Look, I have a farm, I have a family.
37:48
Speaker 3: I write fifteen hours a week for a newspaper and Douglass,
37:53
Speaker 3: but I live here in Victor Harbor on the farm.
37:56
Speaker 1: I run some sporting organizations.
37:58
Speaker 3: I'm the president of the Tennis Association, and then I
38:01
Speaker 3: actually have a full time job as a milk fact feell.
38:06
Speaker 1: So everything I do with sleeper is in my spare time.
38:10
Speaker 2: Now, Let's hope that there can be more focus on
38:12
Speaker 2: Leslie Davis as a possible such because I think he
38:15
Speaker 2: needs to be eliminated on the basis of what you've said. Unfortunately,
38:18
Speaker 2: he can't help us. He died in nineteen ninety eight.
38:21
Speaker 1: What happened, Yeah, he took his own life in u Dunda.
38:25
Speaker 1: He had gassed himself.
38:28
Speaker 3: He was released from prison after that incident in nineteen
38:31
Speaker 3: where he's convicted in nineteen ninety one.
38:33
Speaker 1: Who is released in prison?
38:34
Speaker 3: He went over to WA and in WA he breached.
38:39
Speaker 1: His parole and was locked up there for a bit.
38:42
Speaker 3: When he came back, he did spend some time in
38:45
Speaker 3: Port Lincoln prison and we understand at the time that
38:48
Speaker 3: he took his own life. He was not much longer
38:51
Speaker 3: after his sister Margaret, he's one real supporter, She had
38:55
Speaker 3: died of a heart attack and within the next two
38:58
Speaker 3: months he had taken his own life. Family suggests that
39:02
Speaker 3: he probably knew his gig was up, but he was
39:05
Speaker 3: also facing some fresh charges for child abuse around that
39:10
Speaker 3: time of being investigated for it. We know some stage
39:14
Speaker 3: he tried to take his own life. At the my
39:18
Speaker 3: Ponger Reservoir, which gives rise to us thinking more about
39:23
Speaker 3: a link with the Beaumont case. As you would know
39:25
Speaker 3: that police did put a lot of effort into searching
39:28
Speaker 3: at the my Ponger Reservoir in relation to the bone.
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Speaker 4: I think they drained didn't they drain it at the.
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Speaker 1: Time they did dive there in nineteen sixty six. I
39:38
Speaker 1: know this.
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Speaker 3: So I used to work with the with Say Water,
39:41
Speaker 3: and my job was to do the public relations for
39:43
Speaker 3: the reservoir program a few years ago at the time
39:47
Speaker 3: that my Ponger Reservoir would have been very low at
39:49
Speaker 3: the time in nineteen sixty six. So the reservoir keepers,
39:52
Speaker 3: way back when I was a journalist at the Victor Times,
39:55
Speaker 3: I did stories there. The reservoir has actually got the
39:57
Speaker 3: walls actually got hollows all the way through it, tunnels
39:59
Speaker 3: all the way through it to part of the design
40:02
Speaker 3: which relieves pressure. So i'd gone on two were there
40:05
Speaker 3: having a look, and the reservoir keeper had said that
40:09
Speaker 3: if the children had been dumped in their reservoir, he
40:11
Speaker 3: would have been very hard for them to find it
40:14
Speaker 3: because it would have been right in that middle part
40:16
Speaker 3: because of the water level at the time of the
40:19
Speaker 3: abduction was quite low, lots of silk in there, things
40:23
Speaker 3: like that. But we know that Les Davis actually worked
40:28
Speaker 3: on a project at the my Ponger Reservoir in around
40:32
Speaker 3: the time of the Beaumont abduction in nineteen sixty six.
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Speaker 1: He was doing some concreting there. That was one of
40:39
Speaker 1: many jobs that he did.
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Speaker 3: And he had stated to people that he lived with
40:44
Speaker 3: later on in life that his special place, his secret place,
40:48
Speaker 3: was at the Myponger Reservoir. And that's where told we
40:53
Speaker 3: laid by those family members. He tried to take his
40:56
Speaker 3: own life by strangling himself with his own belt at
41:00
Speaker 3: the Mypunger Reservoir at one stage.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, a man consumed with his own guilt and haunted
41:06
Speaker 2: by memories of what he may have done.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Les Davis.
41:13
Speaker 3: Also we've learnt very recently that he was sent up
41:16
Speaker 3: to Alice Springs to live for a certain time by
41:20
Speaker 3: his family. It's just told to get out, put on
41:22
Speaker 3: a bus and sent up there or on the train.
41:24
Speaker 3: And he did live in some town camp communities up
41:27
Speaker 3: there in Alice Springs as well. And having been up
41:31
Speaker 3: in Alice Springs, and I've got some very close connections
41:34
Speaker 3: with community up there. I was editor of the paper
41:36
Speaker 3: in l Springs for a while back in twenty thirteen
41:38
Speaker 3: and twenty fourteen. Absolutely scares the shit out of me, Adam,
41:43
Speaker 3: that such a predator might have been in and around
41:46
Speaker 3: those communities.
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Speaker 1: So I would very much love to hear.
41:51
Speaker 3: Some feedback from those people up there, And that's one
41:54
Speaker 3: of the next steps I'm going to take is to
41:55
Speaker 3: see if I can get some more learnings about Les
41:58
Speaker 3: Davis in that community up there, because I'm afraid a
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Speaker 3: playground for him.
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Speaker 4: You all the best.
42:05
Speaker 2: I think your work has just begun, and I think
42:07
Speaker 2: the information coming through will continue, and I hopefully you
42:11
Speaker 2: get some sort of resolution because these cases, every year
42:14
Speaker 2: that passes the chance of resolution just gyms out a
42:17
Speaker 2: little bit more So while people are still alive and
42:19
Speaker 2: coming forward, they should come to sleepers.
42:21
Speaker 4: Thank you, Brian, You've lived several lives, mate. I mean,
42:25
Speaker 4: how are you sure there aren't two of you?
42:27
Speaker 1: But I don't know.
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Speaker 4: You're doing an amazing job.
42:30
Speaker 1: Thank you very much, Adam.
42:32
Speaker 3: And what I like to say is, you know nineteen
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Speaker 3: seventy three at that adelaide Able abduction, Joanne Ratcliffe fort
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Speaker 3: and fort Here abduct there. All the witness accounts say that,
42:42
Speaker 3: and what I like to say is we need to
42:44
Speaker 3: show the courage of eleven year old girl. We need
42:47
Speaker 3: to fight like Jay when we do looking at these cases,
42:50
Speaker 3: because there's so more courage than I think any cop
42:54
Speaker 3: or authority that I've ever seen. An eleven year old girl,
42:59
Speaker 3: so more courage than anyone that I've seen when I'm
43:02
Speaker 3: dealing with these cases, I like Jay.
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Speaker 4: That's a very powerful notion. Brian, thanks for your time today, mate.
43:12
Speaker 2: That's Brian Litterley of the Sleepers podcast. He's doing an
43:16
Speaker 2: amazing job these cases, the Beaumonts, the Adelaide Oval abductions.
43:22
Speaker 4: There are people out there who still know what happened.
43:26
Speaker 2: They need to come forward while they're still trying to
43:29
Speaker 2: bring some sort of resolution. If you know anything but
43:32
Speaker 2: can assist, we're going to put the link for the
43:34
Speaker 2: Sleepers podcast in the description. You can also send me
43:38
Speaker 2: an email Adam Shanner, writer at gmail dot com. And
43:42
Speaker 2: if you trust the police, you can always call crime Stoppers,
43:45
Speaker 2: though in South Australia, I'm not sure it's going to
43:47
Speaker 2: do you much good. There's a bit of a head
43:48
Speaker 2: in the sound attitude there, but you can call them
43:50
Speaker 2: anyway one hundred, triple three, triple zero.
43:53
Speaker 4: Bring that information forward.
43:55
Speaker 2: There's always someone out there that knows something or knows
43:58
Speaker 2: someone that can resolve these Thanks for listening.
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