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033 - Secret Lives of Mormon Wives S3 E7 · Reality Hits Mat

• Michelle Harris: Welcome back to another episode of Reality Hits Matt. I'm your host, Michelle. And I'm Matt. Mat: Yeah. Michelle Harris: Today we're gonna be going over season three, episode seven of Secret Lives and Mormon Wives. And it hit me like just how close to Mat: Sound close. Michelle Harris: the end we were to season three. Mat: Yeah, just two more after this? Three more after this. Ten and no reunion? No, they have a reunion. Michelle Harris: Three. Yeah, three more after this. No, they have a reunion this one. They don't have a reunion season four. Mat: Okay. We're getting there. Michelle Harris: We're getting there. Mat: Almost there, huh? Alright, Michelle Harris: Yeah. Mat: well let me give a quick recap of season three, episode six. Okay. Okay. This was Michelle Harris: Okay. Yep. Okay. This one Mat: all the girls were getting together for this press tour they're doing. It's like a couple of days, it's a big Hulu event and Michelle Harris: Yeah. Dancing with the stars is gonna be there to interview people. Mat: Dancing with the Stars is gonna be there to interview people. So Whitney comes back to be on Dancing with the Stars or have her interview to be on Dancing with the Stars, obviously we know that she was already on Dancing with the Stars. so she's back. everybody goes out to wherever this is, I don't know. And all the girls are staying at a hotel. and Michelle Harris: So Whitney comes back to be on Dancing with the Stars or have her interview to be on Dancing with the Stars, obviously we know. Yeah. That she was already on the Yeah, we already know that. so she's back. everybody goes out to wherever this is, I don't know. And all the girls are staying at a hotel. and Mat: during like getting ready for the press day, they're having their makeup done. Michelle Harris: getting ready for the press day, they're having their makeup done. And I think it's Macy and Demi are in like the same room. I guess they all go to the same room, but like they're taking turns. Macy and Demi are in there and then Whitney comes in. Yeah. And Whitney and Demi start talking about the whole Jesse Marciano thing and all this stuff and Macy's like texting the girls what's going on. Yeah, I think she's just texting Jesse, but yeah. Okay. Mat: And I think it's Macy and Demi are in like the same room. I guess they all go to the same room, but like they're in there and taking turns. Macy and Demi are in there and then Whitney comes in and Whitney and Demi start talking about the whole Jesse Marciano thing and all this stuff and Macy's like texting the girls what's going on. Yeah, I think she's just texting Jesse. Okay, texting Jesse. Okay. And Yeah. Michelle Harris: Yeah. Mat: I don't really know what else comes out of that. I think the biggest thing is that she started to compare herself to Maisie and Michaela's situation and saying like they should like sympathize with her and have her back because like she's a victim. right, yeah. She had said that Michelle Harris: I think the biggest thing is that she started to compare herself to Macy and Michaela's situation and saying like they should like sympathize with her and have her back because like she's a victim too. Yeah. She had that Mat: she called Marciano a predator. Yeah. Michelle Harris: Yeah. Mat: and and sh he assaulted her. Right. Right. But so Michelle Harris: And and sh he assaulted her. Right. Right. But so Mat: according to her, they didn't even kiss, so the assault was him grabbing her butt. Yeah. Which I think he did kiss her. I know there were okay. Yeah, and then I guess her butt. Yeah. I Michelle Harris: kiss so the assault was him grabbing her butt. Yeah. I think he d did kiss her on the cheek. I yeah, and then I guess grabbing her butt, yeah. Mat: know and then there was a lot like you know, they were talking about How like she was really flirty and like grabbing his hand and stuff, and then you had just said she compared herself to Macy and Michaela and I don't know the story there, but from what you were saying, like Michelle Harris: Macy and Kayla. Yeah. And I I don't know the story there but from what you were saying like Mat: that just sounds like really terrible things happened to them. Yeah. Michelle Harris: Yeah. Mat: And to compare that to somebody grabbing your butt after you were flirting with them. Yeah. Grabbing their hand. Yeah. Michelle Harris: Yeah and grabbing their hand. Yeah. And it's like, you know, to to almost use that argument to just create more validity behind your stance. Like it's not saying that you weren't like if that did happen. Mat: It's like you know, to to almost use that argument to just create more validity behind your stance, like it's not saying that you weren't like if that did happen And yeah, and it wasn't wanted, like that's definitely Michelle Harris: And it wasn't warranted, it's a problem, but to like then be like, Well no one's believing me, so like Mat: wrong. It's problem, but to like then be like, Well no one's believing me so like Michelle Harris: I'm gonna bring your history into this, it's like let's not bring specific people's issues into the argument of it. Like there it's just it you know, Macy's situation isn't the same as Michaela's situation, like Michaela was a child when it happened like like everyone's situation is like completely different. So Yeah. also in Mat: Yeah. Like let's not bring specific people's issues into the argument. Right. Right. It's just it you know, Macy's situation isn't the same as Michaela's situation. Like Michaela was a child when it happened like Right, right, yeah. absolutely. Yeah, you can't compare any of it. also in there I think while they were getting their makeup done, does Macy mention something about the the lie detector test. Yeah. Is that then? And Demi was like shocked, like like didn't know. And but her and Whitney were talking about how Jesse and Marciano were conspiring against her. and then there's the TikTok that Marciano posted. I think that is kinda Michelle Harris: Yeah. Yep. And Demi was like shocked, like Yeah, she was like, Like didn't know. Yeah. But her and Whitney were talking about how Jesse and Marciano were conspiring against her. and then there's the TikTok that Marciano posted. I think that is kinda Mat: I don't know if that happened before or after this. Maybe it was before Michelle Harris: Maybe it was before Yeah, Mat: Where yeah, I don't know. I'm all over the place. But I mean he got uninvited to the whole Hulu event, so he wasn't there and they think that that's Demi's doing. but his ex girlfriend Hannah is there and she I guess was talking with Demi and was like, Look, Michelle Harris: I'm not sure when it happened, but yeah. No, it's fine. I mean he got uninvited to the whole Hulu event so he wasn't there and they think that that's Demi's doing. but his ex girlfriend Hannah is there. Correct. And she I guess was talking with Demi and was like, Look Mat: this or that, whatever, but like can you drop like the predator thing? Like Michelle Harris: This or that, whatever, but like can you drop like the predator thing? Yeah. Like he's not a predator and Demi was like, absolutely not. Yeah. So there's that. Mat: He's not a predator and Demi was like, absolutely not. So there's that. Yeah, I'm all over the place. then Whitney, I think all the girls have their interviews for the Dancing with the Stars. Whitney, you said just had an amazing interview. Like if you didn't know she was already on Dancing with the Stars, you would have thought that she is gonna get it. Okay. And then Michelle Harris: Yeah, I'm all over the place. then Whitney, I think all the girls have their interviews for the Dancing with the Stars. Whitney you said just had an amazing interview. Like if you didn't know she was already on Dancing with the Stars, you would have thought that she Would have gone okay. and Mat: there was a point where you were saying Michelle Harris: Taylor said the only reason Whitney's on there is because t she turned it down. Yeah, so this has recently come out 'cause like Whitney posted a TikTok saying that Mat: Taylor said the only reason Whitney's on there is because t she turned it down. Yeah, so this has recently come out 'cause like Whitney posted a TikTok saying that it was basically it seemed like sarcasm slash satire to me, but it was something about like how it feels to be the creator of Mom Talk and Secret Lives and Mormon Wives and like she's like in her car. Michelle Harris: It was basically it seemed like sarcasm slash satire to me, but it was something about like how it feels to be the creator of mom talk and Secret Lives and Mormon Wives and like she's like in her car. And then so she was kinda like, 'cause Taylor had posted in her bio, in her Instagram or TikTok bio, creator of mom talk. And so it just said creator, like not like, you know Mat: And then so she was kinda like, 'cause Taylor had posted in her bio, in her Instagram or TikTok bio, creator of mom talk. Okay. And so it just said creator, like not like, you know, co creator or whatever. Okay. Creator. So then like she like, Well, if we're all taking in titles, so like she like posted one saying like she was the creator of mom talking about and all the girls it, like put in your bio. So then Taylor came out with screenshots of like, well Michelle Harris: co creator or whatever, it was like creator. So then like she was like, Well if we're all taking titles so like she like posted one saying like she was the creator of Mom Talk and Secret Lives and Worm Wars and all the girls commented on it. It like put it in your bio. So then Taylor came out with screenshots of like well I'm the one that made your career 'cause I turned down Dancing with the Stars and so like had I not turned it down you wouldn't have been on it and like sent the screenshots of like people being like how like scale to one ten, how interest you are dancing with the stars. Mat: Right, right. Okay. All right. Had I not turned it down, you wouldn't have been on it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. so she's like taking credit Michelle Harris: like all this stuff. so she's like taking credit now for Whitney's career, which is like alright. I d I think I did disclaim that. Anyway, you can call me out a lot of shit. Mat: now for Whitney's career with Yeah. Anyway. All right. That's more recent, like that's Okay. All right. Michelle Harris: I'm pretty sure I disclaimed that. Mat: I could have used a disclaimer last week when you were talking about it. Okay. Well, I must not have been listening. Anyway. you can comment all shit. Pretty sure I'm sorry. so then a couple other things on the episode. Taylor and Whitney talk and they kinda you said they have like a playful banter, like They're like, we're gonna do this, we're gonna be coworkers, we'll we're not Michelle Harris: Yeah. Mat: gonna, you know, hate each other. and then Jesse and Demi talk towards the end of the episode and I think they kinda get to like the same kinda it is what it is, let's put this behind us and move on. Like we don't have to like each other, but we need to do these things together Michelle Harris: and demi talk towards the end of the episode. And I think they kinda get to like the same kinda it is what it is, let's put this behind us and move on. Like we don't have to like each other but we need to do these things together. Mat: on the show and all that. So and then the other thing I guess they're getting ready to go to Stagecoach, which I guess that's where they're gonna be now. Yeah. Alright, well if I didn't miss anything too important, I was all over the place. Let's let's let's start the next one. So episode is called The Book of so all the So they're going straight from LA. Michelle Harris: And then the other thing, I guess they're getting ready to go to Stagecoach, which I guess that's where they're gonna be now. Yep. All right. Well if I didn't miss anything too important No, I'm the place like Thank you, got it covered. Let's start with the next one. So episode seven is called The Book of Broken Hearts. so all the girls are headed to Palm Springs for Stagecoach. So they're going straight from LA to Palm Springs to attend Stagecoach. Mat: Palm Springs to attend stagecoach. Okay. Michelle Harris: Jen is b still behind. she got really sick during the press week, so she went to urgent care. and all the girls are like, She should just stay home instead of coming. she does end up coming, but she's not with them. So driving to stagecoach is Taylor, Layla, Miranda, Mat: Jen is b still behind. she got really sick during the press week, so she went to urgent care. Okay. and all the girls are like, She should just stay home instead of coming. she does end up coming, but she's not with them. So driving to stagecoach is Taylor, Layla, Miranda Michelle Harris: Jesse, Macy, and Michaela. Okay. and then Whitney is gonna come out later and meet them to film like content. Mat: Jesse, Macy, and Michaela. Okay. and then Whitney is gonna come out later and need them to film like content. Okay. And then he's out. Michelle Harris: And then peace out. Mat: Just to like fulfill her part of the the obligation for the sponsor for the brand. Okay. And Demi's not there. And yeah, Demi is not there, she went home. Okay. Alright. So some of the dad talk guys will also be joining them at Stagecoach, including Dakota. Michelle Harris: Right. Yes. Correct. Okay. And Demi's not there. And yeah, Demi is not there. She went home. Okay. Yeah. So some of the dad talk guys will also be joining them at Stagecoach, including Dakota. I guess ever since the barbecue Macy says that dad talk and mom talk have not been seeing eye to eye, so they're really nervous about this weekend. Mat: ever since the barbecue, Macy says that Dad talk and mom talk have not been seeing eye to eye, so they're really nervous. Okay. And it comes out that Taylor's the one that invited Dad Talk to stagecoach. okay. So it's like Michelle Harris: And it comes out that Taylor's the one that invited Dad Talk to stagecoach. okay. So she's like Mat: wasn't the brand didn't want Dad Talk there? No, and they actually invited a few Michelle Harris: No, and they actually invited a few other friends to join them. Like the house that they were staying in was so big that they like invited like there's girls that like you can see in the background but like they're not filming or a part of it. And so then they're like, Mat: friends to join them like the house that they're staying in was so big that invited like there's girls that you can see in the background but they're not part of the show or anything. Michelle Harris: Well, probably Michaela and Macy were like, We're pregnant, we want our husbands there and then Taylor Mat: But it makes sense, yeah. Taylor Michelle Harris: probably invited Jordan to Coda. Right. So it's the four of them. So it's not all of dad talk. And then Connor does show up with Whitney but s obviously like stays with Whitney. Yeah. Mat: Right. So it's the four of them, so it's not all of them. Okay. Alright. And then Connor does show up with Linny, but obviously like like shows up and then yeah, pieces out. Okay. Michaela brings up that she doesn't know Michelle Harris: Michaela brings up that she doesn't know why they voted Taylor in as their leader because they did that since she said if Whitney and Demi do come back, she would tell them to fuck off and she's like, Well, that didn't happen this past weekend or this past week and Taylor said, Well, I meant that if they're being mean to one of you and bitching to your face and Michaela goes, Whitney always bitches. So like her and Macy are like, Well, if she keeps like yakking, like, you know, like keep talking. Mat: they did that since she said if Whitney and Damine do come back, she would tell them to fuck off and like, well that didn't happen this past weekend. Right, right. And Taylor said, Well I meant that if they're being mean to one of you and bitching to your face and Michaela goes, Whitney always bitches. So her and Macy are like, Well if she keeps like yakking like you know like keep talking Michelle Harris: I can't take that. And yeah, Mat: I can't take that and Yeah, their whole attitude is like Whitney always does that. Okay. Taylor said she just wants Whitney to feel welcome because she is making an appearance at Stagecoach. Macy says if she starts yapping at me and Michaela says she's always yapping and then the intro plays. So sh they definitely don't want Michelle Harris: their whole attitude is like Whitney always does that. Taylor says she just wants Whitney to feel welcome because she is making an appearance at Stagecoach. Macy says if she starts yapping at me and Michaela says she's always yapping and then the intro plays. So sh they definitely don't want Whitney there. Mat: Whitney to Couldn't tell at all. Michelle Harris: The girls arrive at their stagecoach like mansion. This place is massive. It's huge. It has a pool house. It has multiple I would assume like master bedrooms. so yeah, there's definitely places to get away from one another in this this massive house. Mat: mansion. This is massive. Okay. It's huge. It has a pool house. It has multiple I would assume like master bedrooms. so yeah, there's definitely places to get away from one another in this Michelle Harris: So as the girls are hanging out, Macy's talking about how she's not looking forward to Dakota showing up, and at that point, Kate, who is I think Layla's friend, Layla or Jesse, shows up with some other girls, and Layla and some of the other girls start like screaming, like you know, the girls scream like like like at the top of your lungs, like Yeah, and so it's them screaming and then Macy and Michaela at the table like eating. Mat: So as the girls are hanging out, Macy's talking about how she's not looking forward to Dakota showing up and at that point Kate, who is I think Layla's friend, Layla or Jesse, shows up with some other girls and Layla and some of the other girls start like screaming, like you know, the girls scream like like like at the top of her lungs. They're excited. Yeah, so it's them screaming and then Macy and Michaela at the table like eating. Okay. Michelle Harris: And Macy just goes, Are they okay? So they were like not feeling that. The girls are relaxing at the house and Demi starts posting stories and they all start getting like notifications that Mat: Macy just goes, Are they okay? So they were like not feeling that Okay. The girls are relaxing at the house and Demi it starts posting stories and they all start getting notifications up Michelle Harris: Demi is posting. So this post says Mat: So this post says Michelle Harris: it seems pretty clear, but I guess some people are still confused. Unwanted physical touch equals assault. Period. The end. To the people that were made aware of these events and watched me cry and all. And she continues to go on about how Mat: It seems pretty clear, but I guess some people are still confused. Unwanted physical touch equals assault. Period. The end. To the people that were made aware of these events and watched me cry and all. And she continues to go on about how Michelle Harris: the girl saw her cry and now they're victim shaming her and all of this stuff. So Jesse at this point was Mat: girls saw her cry. Okay. Now they're victim shaming her. Right. And all this stuff. So Jesse at this point was Michelle Harris: frustrated because she thought the conversation between the two of them would have put this conversation to rest. So it's not that Demi is posting, you know, Marciano's a predator, I was physically assaulted. She's still grouping the girls into the conversation about victim shaming her, even though she did confront Demi about, Well, what about these texts you sent him? And what about this? And you know Mat: frustrated because she thought the conversation between the two of them would have put this conversation to rest. So it's not that to me is posting, you know, Merciana's a predator, I was physically assaulted. She's still grouping the girls into the conversation about victim shaming her, even though she did confront Demi about, Well, what about these texts you sent him and what about this? Right. At this point we're just confused, so let's just drop Michelle Harris: at this point we're just confused, so let's just drop it. And so all the girls are very frustrated and pissed off that they're all being lumped into this one group because it's very clear that it's about mom top. Mat: And so all the girls are very frustrated and pissed off that they're all being lumped into this one group because it's very clear that it's about mom talk. Yeah, Michelle Harris: So all the girls start talking about this post and they all agree that she never cried in front of them. Taylor thinks that even if her story is true, her posts are not okay because they were attacking Mom Talk for something they didn't do. Michaela even points out that Demi at one point said she wasn't a victim and now she's claiming that she is a victim, so she's confused about that. Mat: So all the girls start talking about this post and they all agree that she never cried in front of them. Taylor thinks that even if her story is true, her posts are not okay because they were attacking Mom Top for something they didn't do. Right. Michaela even points out that Denise at one point said she wasn't a victim and now she's claiming that she is a victim, so she's confused about that. Michelle Harris: And Jesse's just still in awe about everything. At that Mat: And Jessie's just still in awe about everything. At that Michelle Harris: point, Dad Talk does show up, so that's Dakota, Jace, Jordan, and Jacob. Jordan tells Jesse that he's sorry about Demise post and he saw it. Mat: Dad talk does show up so that's Dakota, Jake, Jordan and Jacob. Okay. Jordan tells Jesse that he's sorry about Denise Post and he saw it. Michelle Harris: and he doesn't agree with what she's doing and tells her not to let anyone gaslight her. And if she needs anything to just let him know and he'll be there. So Mat: And he doesn't agree with what she's doing and tells her not to let anyone gaslight her and if she needs anything to just let him know and he'll be there. So at that point, Jessie in an interview says her and Jordan are still in a ninety-day separation and she's not sure where they're gonna go after, but she is happy that he's there because he has been through this whole journey with Demi and the downs and the frustration she's had with Demi and just kind of all of their friendship drama that they've had. So it's nice to have someone who understands. Michelle Harris: At that point, Jessie in an interview says her and Jordan are still in the ninety day separation and she's not sure where they're gonna go after, but she is happy that he's there because he has been through this whole journey with Demi and the ups and downs and the frustration she's had with Demi and just kind of all of their friendship drama that they've had. So it's nice to have someone who understands Mat: understands at all there. Right. So they are very cordial this trip. There's not any fighting between Jordan and Okay. Michelle Harris: that all there. So they are very cordial this trip. There's not any fighting between Jordan and Jesse. Mat: And the last episode they went to Disney with their kids together to take their kids on a vacation. Okay. A lot of time spent together for a separation. Yeah. Okay. They don't share like a bed together though, so Michelle Harris: Yes. Yes. Yes. So time spent together for separation. Yeah. They don't share like a bed together though, so Taylor does tour Dakota and Jordan around and she brings them into the pool house and goes, This is empty, so have at it and so they're not even in the main house with everyone. So they ha kinda have their own space. Even though Mat: Taylor does tour Dakota and Jordan around and she brings them into the pool house and goes This is empty, so half asked in the main house. Okay, all right. So they kinda have their own space. Yeah. Even though Michelle Harris: later on We'll get to that. Zack tells the girls that Jen is in an Uber on her way to the house. So I guess she's Ubering from LA to Palm Springs. I think that's like a couple hours. So the girls are surprised that she's still coming, but she's on the way. As the girls are showing, the guys around, Taylor in an interview, Mat: Okay. Zach tells the girls that Jen is in an Uber on her way to the house, so I guess she's Ubering from LA to Palm Springs. I think that's like a couple hours. Jeez, okay. The girls are surprised that she's still coming, but she's on the way. As the girls are showing, the guys around Taylor in an interesting. says she's going through a lot personally right now and some in her family just recently got diagnosed with leukemia. So Michelle Harris: says she's going through a lot personally right now, and some in her family just recently got diagnosed with leukemia. So Mat: she just wants to kind of live in the moment and she's kind of just letting this Dakota thing do its own thing because she wants to spend time with people she loves and she still loves to come I think there were are ulterior motives to her Michelle Harris: She just wants to kind of live in the moment and she's kind of just letting this Dakota thing do its own thing because she wants to spend time with people she loves and she still loves Dakota. So I think there were ar ulterior motives to her inviting dad talk to stagecoach. Mat: Okay. Michelle Harris: In my personal opinion. Michaela then brings Jace into their master suite that they have. So they have this huge ensuite bed, giant TV, little seating area, walk in shower, and then like a jacuzzi tub inside the bathroom. And Mat: Michaela then brings Jason to their master suite that they have. So they have this huge en suite bed and giant T V little seating area, walk in shower, and then like a jacuzzi tub inside the bathroom. And And Michaela shows Jace everything and tells Jace that they could use this time away from the kids to connect and relax. Michelle Harris: Michaela shows Jace everything and tells Jace that they could use this time away from the kids to connect and relax. Mat: Jace says that he's looking forward to it and he's really excited. And then as they were sitting there, he's like sitting in this like swivel chair, and Michaela's making comments about Naudi Schoolgirl, and then he's like, Call me Professor. Okay. Michelle Harris: Jay says that he's looking forward to it and he's really excited. And then as they were sitting there, he's like sitting in this like swivel chair, and Michaela's making comments about a naughty schoolgirl. And then he was like, call me Professor L. Okay. A producer asked if this is typical for Michaela to ask to role play, and he said, No, but it's great that she's trying. And so I do agree, it's great that she's trying. I just think this is really awkward to have on. Mat: producer asked if this is typical for Michaela to ask a roleplay and he said no, but it's great that she's trying. And so I do agree it's great that she's trying. I just think this is really awkward to have on Michelle Harris: film like to go Mat: the film. Michelle Harris: from I'm not comfortable being intimate to my husband to like let's air all of our issues out on for everybody to see. It's just a little uncomfortable to me. Like it was hard to for me to watch Mat: Yeah, for everybody to see. It's uncomfortable. Yeah. It was hard for me to watch. Michelle Harris: some of that. But good for you girl. the girls are getting ready for stagecoach and they're filming TikToks. Michaela then starts getting ready and she starts s freaking out screaming and apparently Lana Del Rey had messaged her. Okay. Do you know who Lana Del Rey is? I've heard the name. Okay. So she's a pretty big name. Like Mat: Michaela then starts getting ready and she starts freaking out, screaming, and apparently Lana Del Rey had messaged her. Okay. Do you know who Lana Del Rey is? I've heard the name. So she's a pretty big Michelle Harris: I'd be freaking out if Lana Del Rey messaged me too. Lana Delray told Michaela that she wants the mom talk girls to go side stage to meet her because apparently she's a huge fan and is really excited that they're there. So all the girls at this point are freaking out and they can't wait. The party bus shows up and Jen still hasn't gotten there, so they're like, Wait, where's Jen? Zach says that she is still Ubering to the house, even though it's been hours. Mat: To go side stage to meet her because apparently she's a huge fan and excited that they're there. Wow. All the girls at this point are freaking out and they can't wait. The party bus shows up and Jen still hasn't gone there, so they're like, wait, where's Jen? Zach says that she is still Ubering to the house, even though it's been hours. Okay. And she's still Michelle Harris: And she's still two hours away because the Tesla she was in died, so they're charging it. Mat: There you go. Gotta love it. Stays behind at the house to wait for Jen and it seems like they're just there to to enjoy this house. Yeah. Michelle Harris: Zach stays behind at the house to wait for Jen and it seems like they're just there to to enjoy this house. Like they're not interested in going to stagecoach. So they get to stagecoach and they all go to the side stage to meet Lana. And by all I mean I am I don't know why it was like Taylor wasn't there but or Miranda, but Jesse, Michaela, and Macy all go side stage to meet Lana Delright. Lana's like, Wait, are you guys mic'd up right now? 'Cause like the cameras are there and they're like, Yeah, we are and then she goes, Is Whitney Mat: So they get to stagecoach and they all go to the side stage to meet Lana and by all I mean I I don't know why it was like Taylor wasn't there but more Miranda. But Jesse Michaela and Macy all go side stage to meet Wanda. Okay. Lana's like, wait, are you guys mic'd up right now? 'Cause like the cameras are there and they're like, Yeah And then she goes, Is Winnie? Michelle Harris: friend or fire? Like she's like trying to get the like the Mat: She like trying to get like the T. Michelle Harris: the details. Like she's like, wait, really? Like, really? And you can tell she's Mat: And you can tell she's Michelle Harris: probably a Whitney fan 'cause she's like, Are you is that like is that true? Is is all this like Mat: Is that like is that true? Is is that Michelle Harris: real or is this fake? And the girls are start saying, Yeah, she's the villain for sure Mat: Start saying, Yeah, she's the villain for sure. Michelle Harris: And then Jesse at one point goes, Just wait till season two comes out and at that point I'm like, wasn't Demi more of the villain in season two? Like Whitney didn't really Mat: At one point goes, just wait till season two comes out. And at that point, I'm like, wasn't Demi more of the villain in season two? Like, Whitney didn't really do Michelle Harris: do much to stir the pot. She was trying to get back into mom talk in season two. So I was a little confused by that comment. Like I didn't think she came off that bad in season two. But I mean There was definitely moments. She had moments, but I think not as Mat: much to stir the pot. She was trying to get back into Mom Talk in season two. So Right. I was a little confused by that comment. Like I didn't think she came off that bad. Yeah. But I mean it definitely moments. She had moments, but I think Michelle Harris: bad as to me. There's like the perception part of it though. Like they don't know what's in the season. They haven't seen it either. Mm-hmm. And like 'cause you had thought like Demi thought she got like a good edit in some areas. Mat: There's like the perception part of it though, like they don't know what's in the season. They haven't seen it either. Mm-hmm. And like 'cause you had thought like Demi thought she got like a good edit in some areas and like she just comes off yeah Michelle Harris: Like she just comes off. Mat: as a terrible person I think in like season two. So I will say that next week is season two premiere week for that. Michelle Harris: Yeah. I will say that next week is season two premiere week for them. So in real life. like so So in the next episode Yeah. Is season two is premiere. Yeah. Okay. And so like they're doing more press and they talk about premiere. But yeah, I mean they they think like what from what they saw Whitney. Yeah. That she's gonna look terrible or be the villain. Maybe. Mat: So in real life. like so the week after Sage Coach is season two's premiering. Okay. like they're doing more. then they talk about premiering. But yeah, I mean they th they could think like what from what they saw of Whitney that she's gonna look terrible or be the villain. but then, you know, it's edited and it's put together and Yeah, I've just seen I don't know. Michelle Harris: Yeah. Yeah, it just seemed I don't know she had her baby with her everywhere she went. She didn't really like I I don't know. To me I was like, sh did sh anyway, so Lana was trying to get the scoop. Mat: Right, right. I don't know. Yeah. To me I was like anyway, so Lana was trying to get the scoop. Michelle Harris: and they were like, Yeah, she is the villain for sure and we're Mat: Yeah, she is a villain for sure. Michelle Harris: not friends with her and Mikaela's like, You're asking the wrong person right now, like I hate her so yeah. Which Mat: Which I don't think you got the extent of Michaela's wrath towards her until season two. Right. Because season one ended with her birthday party where she was annoyed that Whitney was there. Yeah. But you really didn't get like I remember being confused why does Michaela hate? Yeah, yeah, you kept asking that. Yeah, and then season two, Macy kind of joined that camp, so yeah, it was kind of all the way Michelle Harris: I don't think you got the extent of Michaela's wrath towards her until season two. Right. Because season one ended with her birthday party where she was annoyed that Whitney was there. Yeah. But you really didn't get like I remember being confused. Why does Michaela hate her so much? Yeah, you kept asking that. Yeah, and then season two, Macy kind of joined that camp, so yeah, it was kind of all over the place. So I could see why she's confused. So meanwhile, Jordan and Taylor are talking. Mat: So meanwhile Jordan and Taylor are talking Michelle Harris: And he says he hasn't got a good night's sleep in a month and a half. Taylor asked why and he says just the guilt and sadness is getting to him. So it seems like he's also kind of feeling some shame and guilt behind his marriage crumbling. So at least there was that acknowledgement that he's not all sunshine and roses. Mat: and he says he hasn't got a good night's sleep in a month and a half. Taylor asks why, and he says just the guilt and sadness is getting to him. So it seems like he's also kind of feeling some shame and guilt behind his marriage crumbling. So Right. At least there was that acknowledgement that he's not all sunshine and roses. Michelle Harris: And as they're talking, a girl approaches Dakota. So Dakota's sitting on the ground eating food behind them as Taylor and Jordan are talking. And a girl kind of looks like she's Mat: they're talking, a girl approaches Dakota. So Dakota's sitting on the ground eating food behind them as Taylor and Jordan are talking. Okay. And a girl kind of looks like she's Michelle Harris: looking for her you know when you kinda do like this and then you like accidentally get close to someone but there wasn't many people around so it definitely seemed like she was intentionally trying to get close so she was like, I lost my friends So Dakota was like, have you tried calling them? And she was like, No, but they'd probably be over there somewhere, so I'm gonna go look and then she says that Dakota's Q and all this stuff and so Mat: looking for her you know when you kinda do like this and then you like accidentally get close to someone but there wasn't many people right definitely seemed like she was intentionally trying to get close so she was like, I lost my friends Right. So Dakota was like, have you tried calling them? And she was like, No, but they'd probably be over there somewhere, so I'm gonna go look and then she says that Dakota's Q and all this stuff and so Michelle Harris: Jordan's still trying to talk to Taylor and Taylor's staring at this happening. And Taylor at one point says, Hold on, I want to see how he reacts. And then when she walks away and Mat: Still trying to talk to Taylor until you're staring at this happening. Right. Taylor at one point says, Hold on, I want to see how he reacts. Okay. And then when she walks away and Michelle Harris: Dakota's like, have a good night. Taylor goes, Dakota, what did you say to her? Like, what did you say? And he goes, I Mat: Taylor goes, Dakota, what did you say to her? Like what did you say? And he goes Michelle Harris: don't know. Like, nothing. I didn't say much. And Taylor gets so upset and storms off. And like her Mat: And Taylor gets so upset and storms off. And like her face was what did you say to her? And it just went from zero to one. Yeah, yeah. When they didn't exchange numbers. They Yeah. Oda didn't get up to talk to her. He's still sitting there eating. He said, Have a good night. Yeah. And he'll Michelle Harris: Face was what did you say to her? You're not together anymore. And it just went from zero to a hundred when they didn't exchange numbers. They Dakota didn't get up to talk to her. He's still sitting there eating. It just was weird. Yeah. a good night. Yeah. Okay. Because like when you were like there standing here and he's sitting on Mat: So i this is at Stagecoach, like this is at okay, 'cause like when you were like they're standing here and he's sitting on the ground and he's eating, I'm just like, Where is this taking place? Sorry, they're asking meeting long. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They're hanging out. Okay, yeah. Probably waiting for them. Right, Michelle Harris: Yeah. Sorry, they're at stagecoach. So while the other three are meeting Lana, they're kinda eating and hanging out and like probably waiting for them. Mat: right, okay. Michelle Harris: So Taylor storms off. Dakota in an interview says that if Taylor did come to him and said that she wants to be with him, he would say yes. Dakota then tries to go up to Taylor and she walks away from him. So they're standing on a stage watching a performance. Dakota kind of goes around to try to talk to Taylor and Taylor just keeps going. Dakota says he gives up and walks away. Mat: So Taylor storms off. Dakota in an interview says that if Taylor did come to him and said that she wants to be with him, he would say yes. Dakota then tries to go up to Taylor and she walks away from him. So they're standing on a stage watching a performance. Dakota kind of goes around to try to talk to Taylor and keeps going. Dakota says he gives up and walks away. Michelle Harris: Back at the mansion, all the girls get back and they're going to bed and Jen finally gets there and heard Tesla Uber. She sounds horrible. She sounds sick, she's coughing. I also wouldn't want her to be like go home. Go home girl. I get this is a really cool house, but Dakota and Jordan. I mean I think it's big enough that no one would hear her and her Mat: Back at the mansion, all the girls get back and they're going to bed and Jen finally gets there in her mother. She sounds horrible. Okay. She sounds sick, she's coughing. I also wouldn't want her to be there. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, you can stay out in the pool house with Dakota and Jordan. Dakota and Jordan. I mean I think it's big enough that no one would hear her. Michelle Harris: Probably a section of the house, her wing. but she does say that she showed up 'cause she really wants to show that she's putting in her effort and rejoining mom talk since she was going yeah she was away for a while. But I think all the girls would have understood. Yeah. Back Mat: She does say that she showed up 'cause she really wants to show that she's putting in her effort and rejoining mom because she was going. Yeah. She away for a while. Right, right. But I think the girls would have understood. Yeah, if you're sick. If you're that sick. Although I mean, there were times before where I think they use sickness as like to get out of some something or like why. Yeah. Michelle Harris: get out of some something or like why. Yeah. So you never know. Maybe. She's like, I'm sick Mat: So you never know. Maybe. She's like, I'm sick, but I'm going 'cause you know they might not believe me, but I do want to be here. But they were just with her in LA and they saw she was sick. Okay, well yeah, then that's different. Never never mind then. Never mind. She was with them. That poor Uber driver that she spent hours with. Like if and who if anyone, that poor guy. Yeah. Michelle Harris: You know. They not believe me. They to be here. But they were just with her in LA and they saw that she was sick. Okay, then that's And then on the drive there, they're like, Never mind she went to urgent care. Never mind. She was with them. That poor Uber driver that I know. That's what I was thinking. That's what I was thinking. I'm like, if anyone, if anyone, that poor guy, he probably left and got sick. He's probably dead. Yeah. He's dead in his dead Tesla. It's not charged. Mat: He's probably dead now. He's dead in his dead Tesla. It's not charged. Yeah. Yeah. R.I.P. Michelle Harris: Alright, so as the girls are getting ready to bed, they go into Michaela's room and Michaela's getting ready for her sauna tub romantic night with Jace. Well, no, like just the camera crew. So it's Mikaela and Jace and like the camera crew, right? Is there? No, Mat: So as the girls are getting ready to bed they go into Michaela's room and Michaela's getting ready for her sauna tub romantic night with Well good thing all the girls are coming in then. Well no, like just the camera crew, so it's Michaela and Jace and like the camera crew, right? right, of course, yeah. No Michelle Harris: the girls aren't in there with them. Mat: I thought you said that they were coming in. No, no, the girl's going to bed. okay. Mikhaila's in her room. Sorry. okay. I thought you said that they were coming into her room to like Okay. So Mikaela's getting ready for her nice romantic night with Jace. And now she's getting the sauna hot tub thing going on in my head. seven months pregnant. Should you not be getting into San Hot Tub? Michelle Harris: No, no, the girls are going to bed and then Michaela's in her room. Sorry, I probably said that weird. No, I s I said that weird. Yeah. So Michaela's getting ready for her nice romantic night with Jace. And as she's getting the sauna hot tub thing going on in my head, I'm like, You're seven months pregnant. Should you not be getting into said hot tub? Mat: Yeah. And so she does it. She puts her feet in. So in my head, how romantic of this night did you envision in your So is it a hot like a full on hot tub? Yeah, it's like a little Michelle Harris: And so she doesn't, she puts her feet in. So in my head, how romantic of this night did you envision in your head? So is it a hot like a full on hot tub? Yeah, it's like a little plunge hot tub on its own. It's definitely not one of those like po like bathtub jacuzzi spas. It's like a legit hot tub. And so she turns on the jets for it, but then the jets are really weird and it's just like bubbling up like and getting everywhere. Mat: definitely not one of those like po like bathtub Japanese 'cause like hot tub. Okay. And so she turns on the jets for it, but then the jets are really weird and it's just like bubbling up like and getting everywhere. Okay. So she says at that point her and Jace are getting really frustrated and this isn't going the way that I want it to Michelle Harris: So she says at that point her and Jace are getting really frustrated and this isn't going the way that she wanted to. And in my head I'm wondering what she did envision for this night. Right. So and they have their feet in there. Mat: Did envisioned seven months pregnant. Right. So they have their feet in their Michelle Harris: How how lovey dovey were you willing to get in front of the camera crew too? All of it was just weird to me. Mat: Right, right. It was just weird to me. Yeah. and then at that point Jay suggests that they go outside to the outdoor hot tub. Michelle Harris: And then at that point Jay suggests that they go outside to the outdoor hot tub. So they leave their room 'cause they have an exit onto the patio. And then they go over to the outdoor hot tub, but they couldn't get or they turned that one on or they couldn't get it, but it wasn't hot enough, so it was like kind of like this one wouldn't was splash. Yeah, splashing everywhere. But then that one was cold. Mat: So they leave their room 'cause they have an exit onto the patio. Okay. And then they go over to the outdoor hot tub, but they couldn't get or they turned that one on or they couldn't get it, but it wasn't hot enough. so they were going to that hot tub because this one looked just splashing everywhere. Okay, hold on one second. But then So they try the outdoor hot tub, it's not warm enough, and at that point Michaela asks if they can just go to bed 'cause she's not feeling it. Right, right. Jace says that it really bothers him and he really wanted this, and Nikaela says she's tired and wants to go to bed. So Jace is really frustrated at this point, and then they call it a night heavy. Right, okay. So this hot tub situation really Michelle Harris: So they try the outdoor hot tub, it's not warm enough, and at that point Michaela asks if they can just go to bed 'cause she's not feeling it anymore. Right. Jace says that it really bothers him and he really wanted this, and Mikaela says she's tired and wants to go to bed. So Jace is really frustrated at this point and then they call it a night and head head in. Okay. So this hot tub situation really really put a damper and that in my head that's when I'm like, There's way more issues than freaking hot tubs in your relationship and marriage. That shouldn't that shouldn't derail the whole night. Mat: Yeah. In your relationship That shouldn't that shouldn't derail the whole night. jeez. So then we go to s day two stagecoach. Okay. The girls are hanging out by the pool. Jordan says that Dakota was missing this morning in their pool house. And they were supposed to go to the gym, but he must have gotten Michelle Harris: So then we go to s day two stagecoach. The girls are hanging out by the pool. Jordan says that Dakota was missing this morning in their pool house. And they were supposed to go to the gym, but he must have gotten kidnapped. Mat: kidnapped. Michelle Harris: Cut to Dakota sneaking out of Taylor's room. huh. huh. Apparently Taylor texted Dakota in the middle of the night saying if you're scared over there you can come join me in my bed. Mat: Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Apparently a Taylor texted Dakota in the middle of the night saying, If you're scared over there, you can come join me in my bed. Michelle Harris: Yeah. That's what happens when you're mentally unstable. Taylor in an interview when producers are pressing her about this text and him coming over, just keeps saying, Mat: Taylor in an interview when producers are oppressing her about this text and him coming over just keeps saying Ha ha ha. Michelle Harris: And then finally she confirms, Yes, we did have sex. Dakota says that he missed their connection and it just feels right. Taylor goes out to the pool and says good afternoon to everyone, because apparently it's already afternoon. Mat: And then finally she confirms, yes, we did have sex. Dakota says that he missed their connection and it just feels right. Okay. Taylor goes out to the pool and says good afternoon to everyone, because apparently it's already good afternoon. Okay. Zach says he heard that she had a long Michelle Harris: Zach says he heard that she had a long night last night and apparently everyone knows about this 'cause even Jen, when she was like, What are you talking about? Jen was like, making like, you know, like Okay. Mat: 'Cause even Jen when she's like, What are you talking about? Jen was like making like you know Okay. Michelle Harris: As they're talking about that, Layla does say we need to start getting ready 'cause we have to leave at like two thirty or something. And Jen says that she's still really sick, so she's not gonna make it today. So they're just gonna hang out at the house. So they're just gonna have a relaxing day by the pool and I know. I was like, actually that's what I would wanna do not go to the stagecoach. Mat: Okay. They're just gonna have a relaxing day by the pool. Sounds nice. I don't know. I was like, actually, that's what I would want to say. Jesse tells the girl Michelle Harris: Jesse tells the girls that Whitney is delayed but is coming as soon as possible. And Whitney supposedly reposted Demi's story and said, I love you, Demi, so proud of you. So the story about all the girls victim shaming her. Okay. The girls, needless to say, are pissed about Whitney doing this. And they decide at that point that they aren't gonna be in her content or video when she gets there and they're just gonna ignore her. Mat: coming as soon as possible and Whitney supposedly reposted to me's story and said, I love you, Jimmy, so proud of you. So the story about all the girls' victories. Okay. The girls, needless to say, are pissed about Whitney doing this. And they decide at that point that they aren't gonna be in her content or video when she gets there and they're just gonna ignore her. Okay. And she was the one Michelle Harris: And she was the one Mat: that was like last episode like kind of upset about how she came back and people weren't like when she got voted back into mom talk before about how it was like you know I guess so, yeah, sure. Michelle Harris: that was like last episode, like kind of upset about how she came back and people weren't like when she got voted back into mom talk yeah before about how it was like, you know, I guess so, yeah, sure. I'm not I won't be her friend, it's like you know, this, you know, my you my stance. Yeah. Mat: I'm not I won't be her friend, you know, Michaela's like, you know this, you know, my you my stance. Yeah. And then she was also the one that like mentioned I think while they were at the event, like how the their group was just separated and not talking and she's just like, Okay and yeah. Yeah. So like that's really just gonna pile onto all that then. Okay. Yeah. So I was sorry, I w I was trying to explain all that and I like, Wait No, you're good, yeah, you're spot on Michelle Harris: And then she was also the one that like mentioned I think while they were at the event, like how the their group was just separated and not talking and she's just like, Okay. Yeah. Yeah. So like that's really just gonna pile onto all that button. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. So just all that. I like, wait. No, you're good. Yeah, you're spot on and like Whitney is at this point and it's it's Mat: Like Whitney's at this point and it's it's good to point out at this point the reunion hasn't happened in real li like in real life in this filming moment, the reunion hasn't happened. So this comes out at the beginning like at the end of this episode, beginning of next episode, where Whitney is like I didn't know that those texts between her and Marciano existed. Okay. They confronted me at the reunion and then asked my opinion Michelle Harris: Good to point out at this point the reunion hasn't happened in real li like in real life and this filming moment, the reunion hasn't happened. So this comes out at the beginning like at the end of this episode, beginning of next episode, where Whitney is like I didn't know that those texts between her and Marciano existed until they confronted me at the reunion and then asked for my opinion on it when I didn't know that that was a thing. Wow, okay. So Mat: Didn't even know Wow, okay. So all Michelle Harris: All these girls are mad at her, but they're not having conversations or explaining their side of the story. So she's only fed what she's fed from to me. Yeah. So while Mat: these girls are mad at her, but they're not having conversations or explaining their side of the story. So she's only fed what she's fed from to me. Yeah. So while Michelle Harris: lumping all the girls into one and putting them all in a category, and I think Whitney acknowledges, yeah, that's hurtful, but then come talk to me and explain to me what's going on because I have no fucking clue. I d yeah, The whole time Mat: Lumping all the girls into one and putting them all in a category and I think Whitney acknowledges, yeah, that's hurtful, but then come talk to me and explain to me what's going on because I have no fucking clue. I d yeah, that's funny. The whole timeline thing of everything, like the the seasons, dancing with the stars, the reunions, things that are Michelle Harris: Right. The seasons, dancing with the stars, the reunions, yeah Mat: happening now, because we're just talking about season three. yeah. Michelle Harris: Yeah. yeah. It's all combobulated. It's so crazy. So at this point, Whitney doesn't know the texts that Demi sent to Marciano, the, you know, conversations and the scrolling that Layla saw. The you know eggplant emoji, oysters taste like cum thing. Like all this stuff. Like she doesn't know that that exists. Mat: Like all combobulated to like try and keep all this shit straight. So at this point, Whitney doesn't know the text that Denise sent to Marciano. The you know, conversations and scrolling that Layla saw. Right, right. You know, eggplant emoji, oysters taste like cum thing, like all the stuff, but she doesn't know that that exists. Yeah. Michelle Harris: All she knows is that her friend is telling her that she was touched by someone and it was unwanted Mat: All she knows is that her friend is telling her that she was touched by someone and it was on Okay. No one's believing her. Right, right. And that's where she's at. So could she have handled it differently? Maybe, but she also has tried so many times to reach out to these girls. Yeah, yeah. She's coming to this house to film content and then no one talks to her except for Twitter. Like all this stuff where it's like Michelle Harris: and no one's believing her. Right, right. And that's where she's at. So could she have handled it differently? Maybe, but she also has tried so many times to reach out to these girls. She's coming to this house to film content and then no one talks to her except for Taylor. Like all this stuff where it's like, where's the explanation behind it? Mat: Yeah, yeah. No, it's like when you say it like that Michelle Harris: Yeah, yeah. No, it's like when you say it like Mat: and the timeline and things that people know and don't know, it's crazy. And listen, I'm not trying to get on time myself. There's things Whitney does later that I'm like, okay, now that you know everything, what the fuck are we doing here? Okay. Okay, alright, alright. But this point, I can understand where from. Michelle Harris: Yeah. And listen, I'm not trying to get ahead of myself. There's things Whitney does later that I'm like okay, now that you know everything, what the fuck are we doing here, girl? But we'll get to that. We'll get to that. But at this point, I can understand where she's coming from. Mat: Okay. Michelle Harris: So as the girls are filming TikToks, Jace is playing this dramatic classical music on this grand piano. Also very talented, by the way. Very talented. Yeah. No, he's like doot like and I'm I was impressed. I don't know if we've seen that side of him before, probably not, but yeah, he he's talented. And so as all this is going on and dramatic classical music Mat: So as the girls are filming TikToks, Jace is playing this dramatic classical music on this grand piano, also very talented. okay. I was like, wait, he's just playing cla but then you're like on the piano and I was like, okay. Like I was impressed. I don't know if we've seen that side of him before, probably not. But yeah, okay. He's talented. And so as all this is going on and dramatic classical music Michelle Harris: is playing Mat: Whitney's Michelle Harris: Whitney's rolling up to the house in her Uber. So Connor and Whitney have arrived. At this point, Connor and Whitney walk in, and the only people that they see are Zach and Jen. Zach says hi to them, and Jen kind of ignores both of them and then leaves to go to the bathroom or something. Whitney says that the tension in this house can be cut with a knife and she was Mat: rolling up to the house in her room or so Connor and Whitney have arrived. Okay. At this point Connor and Whitney walk in and the only people that they see are Zack and Jen. Zach says hi to them and Jen kind of ignores both of them and then leaves to go to the bathroom or something. Okay. Whitney says that the tension in his house can be cut with a knife and she was Michelle Harris: under the impression that after the press week and Taylor coming to talk to her, that everything would be okay with her showing up for filming, so she's just a little bit confused about what's going on. All the girls are upstairs getting ready slash hiding from Winnie. So they don't even come downstairs to confront her or talk to her. Taylor comes down to say hi to them and Taylor tells her that the girls are very upset about her reposting. Mat: Week and Taylor comes to talk to her, that everything would be okay with her showing up for filming, so she's just a little bit confused. Yeah. Yeah. All the girls are upstairs getting ready slash hiding from Linia. Yeah, yeah. Taylor comes down to say hi to them, and Taylor tells her that the girls are very upset about her reposting. Okay. Michelle Harris: Whitney says that she's just been fed what Demi has been feeding her, and she doesn't like how the other girls have been treating her. treating Demi. So at this point, she basically only has one side of the story. And Taylor just goes, Yeah, but it's just a very serious thing Mat: Whitney says that she's just been fed what Demi has been feeding her and she doesn't like how the other girls have been treating her. Okay. Treating Demi. Yeah, yeah. So at this point she basically only has one side of the story. Then Taylor just goes, Yeah, but it's just a very serious thing. Michelle Harris: about, you know, her including Macy and Michaela and their history. Mat: about, you know, her including me, Sam McHaila and Right, right. And Whitney agrees. She goes, Yeah, I absolutely agree, but they can also come talk to me as well. Michelle Harris: And Whitney agrees. She goes, Yeah, I absolutely agree, but they can also come talk to me as well. Whitney says that it's interesting that Taylor is speaking for the whole group, and if they all have something to say, they can say it to her face. She says that if Demi is telling the truth about being touched inappropriately and not wanted, it's disgusting that the other girls are making TikToks and making fun of Demi. She says that Jen, Layla, Mat: Whitney says that it's interesting that Taylor is speaking for the whole group and if they all have something to say, they can say it to her face. She says that if Demi is telling the truth about being touched inappropriately and not wanted, it's disgusting that the other girls are making TikToks and making fun of Demi. She says that Jen, Layla, Jesse have all commented and replied to comments on TikTok, and they've all been making joke videos. okay. One of them Michelle Harris: Jesse have all commented and replied to comments on TikTok and they've all been making joke videos. One of them Mat: That got shown during this was Layla posting about spilling the tea on the podcast because she knew everything. Jesse reposted how someone was proud of her for how she's handling the noise and can't wait for the truth to come out. Which that one I was like, okay, that's kind of like on par for what's going on anyway. Right, Michelle Harris: that got shown during this was Layla posting about spilling the tea on the podcast because she knew everything. Jesse reposted how someone was proud of her for how she's handling the noise and can't wait for the truth to come out, which that one I was like, okay, that's kind of like on par for what's going on anyway. Mat: right. And then Jen commented on a post and said sexual predator question mark, question mark, and then says something about why did you keep FaceTiming and texting him in a Michelle Harris: And then Jen commented on a post and said sexual predator question mark question mark and then says something about why did you keep FaceTiming and texting him inappropriate things afterwards? I think I think Mat: Okay. Michelle Harris: that's what she said. Jen said sexual predator, it's interesting considering she was FaceTiming him a week later inviting him to dinner. Mat: Jen said sexual predator. It's interesting considering she was FaceTiming him a week later, inviting him to dinner. Okay. Whitney says that all those women have participated in responding to comments and making videos, so she doesn't really appreciate that if that is Denise truth and what did happen. Whitney says that her reposting it wasn't Michelle Harris: Whitney says that all those women have participated in responding to comments and making videos, so she doesn't really appreciate that if that is Demi's truth and what did happen. Whitney says that her reposting it wasn't she wasn't doing it thinking that she was gonna bash on mom talk. She just wanted to show support for Demi and what she's going through. She says that she knows how a narrative online can completely be construed against yourself. Mat: She wasn't doing it thinking that she was gonna bash on mom talk. She just wanted to show support for Demi and what she's going through. Right. She says that she knows how a narrative online can completely be construed against yourself. Whitney says that Demi's post was calling out the people who were victim blaming her. So if the girls truly aren't victim shaming her, then why should they be upset 'cause they wouldn't be included in that bunch? Yeah. Yeah, but Michelle Harris: Whitney says that Demise Post was calling out the people who were victim blaming her. So if the girls truly aren't victim shaming her, then why would should they be upset 'cause they wouldn't be included in that bunch? Yeah. Kinda, yeah, but at this point, again, like I said, I understand where Whitney is coming from. None of the girls are downstairs to explain their side of the story or to show her anything that they've all seen or heard. Mat: This point again, like I said, I understand where Whitney's coming from. Yeah. None of the girls are downstairs to explain their side of the show her anything that they've all seen or heard. Yeah. Michelle Harris: And she wasn't included in any of this, so how you know, how would she know? Mat: And she wasn't included in any of this. So how you know Right. Yeah. Whitney and Taylor then start getting into it. It kinda like starts just slowly escalating. Whitney says that Michelle Harris: Whitney and Taylor then start getting into it. It kinda like starts just slowly escalating. Whitney says that we don't get to choose how Demi feels about someone touching her. Taylor then says, but I wouldn't turn a mistake into ruining someone's life, basically saying like she Demi is ruining Marciona's life by calling him a sexual predator. That's a very bad thing to do if that's not true. Whitney says, But you did go on TikTok and say that mom talk we're we're swingers. Mat: We don't get to choose how Demi feels about someone touching her. Taylor then says, but I wouldn't turn a mistake into ruining someone's life, basically saying like sh Denis is ruining Marciona's life by calling him a sexual predator. That's a very bad thing to do if that's not true. Right. Whitney says, but you did go on TikTok and say that mom talk were swingers. Michelle Harris: Taylor says, I didn't say all of mom talk were swingers, I said Mat: I didn't say all of Mom Talk were swingers. some of mom chakra swingers. Right. And then at that point they're kind of quabbling about did she say all or some and Michelle Harris: some of mom talk were swingers. Right. And then at that point they're kind of quabbling about did she say all or some because Whitney thinks it's all. Taylor thinks that this conversation is going nowhere with Whitney and she can't take any accountability. Whitney says Accountability. Gotta take your accountability. No, you're good. Mat: She can't take any accountability. Accountability. There's that word again. Sorry. Sorry. No, you're good. Whitney does say thank you for letting me know that the girls feel like that. Michelle Harris: Whitney does say thank you for letting me know that the girls feel like that. I didn't know how they felt. Taylor said, Why wouldn't they feel like that? And Whitney says, Well they can come and say it to my face. Taylor says they don't want to come out and Whitney says, That's fine, I'll film this TikTok and I'll just leave. Mat: they feel like that and Whitney says, Well they can come and say it to my face Taylor says they don't want to come out and Whitney says, That's fine, I'll film this TikTok and I'll just leave. Michelle Harris: So her and Connor film a TikTok together and then peace out. Seriously, that's it? She came, talked to Taylor. Mat: Seriously, that's it? Yeah. That's all. She came, talked to Taylor, filmed a TikTok with her husband and then left. That's really funny. That's so funny. Okay. Like I think probably Michelle Harris: Yeah. really funny. And she probably got paid a bit load of money for that one TikTok. That's so funny. Okay. Like, I think probably the agreement was show that you were in the house with the other girls or sh like, you know, or tag us in this brand deal. So maybe she probably maybe filmed a couple others, but they didn't they just showed the one that they did. right. Yeah. Yeah. Mat: Yeah. Right. At the house. She probably maybe a couple others, but they didn't they just showed the one. right, yeah. I mean on TikTok there was probably a lot of content and then the show is gonna make it look Yeah. Michelle Harris: Yeah. Mat: Yeah. Okay. Okay. Okay. But you don't know, I mean they could have been at Stagecoach somewhere. Mm-hmm. Michelle Harris: Pretty much I mean, pretty much it's still what it was. But you don't know, I mean they could have been at Stagecoach somewhere. Mm-hmm. Mat: Like Michelle Harris: No, she said 'cause she said to Taylor I'll s sorry, she just left the house. She said to Taylor, But I'll probably see you at stagecoach. And then that's when and that's when 'cause Taylor's Mat: No, she said she said to Taylor well s sorry, she just left the house. She said to Taylor's stage, alright. I was like, Hold on, she's Taylor Michelle Harris: like, you're just here to film and Whitney said, Yes, but I'll probably see you at stagecoach and she goes, Well, all the girls are mad at you And that's when she was like Mat: said yes. Well yeah, for the brand, yeah. Then Well, all the girls are mad at you. Yeah. But I'm sure she was probably even filming content at Stagecoach, like probably Michelle Harris: yeah. Mat: like tagging that probably that brand. Yeah. So Michelle Harris: Yeah, probably. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Mat: house or stagecoach, wherever. Okay, alright, it makes more sense. Like I thought they like they came out, they were like she's like nobody wants to talk to me. They did go to Taylor's yelling Michelle Harris: yeah, then they went home. No, they did they did go to stagecoach. Mat: at me, I'm gonna film a TikTok with Connor real quick and see you later. Whitney says it's clear aren't her friends anymore and she's moving on. Whitney feels like she's held to the highest standard and it's exhausting. Michelle Harris: Ed peace out. Whitney says it's clear that they aren't her friends anymore and she's moving on. Whitney feels like she's held to the highest standard and it's exhausting. Afterwards, Taylor is telling the girls how it went and Jacob comes in the room and said, Guys, we have to go. We can't let Whitney take over today. Meanwhile, Whitney's just in the living Mat: Afterwards Taylor's telling the girls how it went and Jacob comes in the room and said, Guys, we have to go. We can't let Whitney take over today. You know what? Whitney's just in the living room. Michelle Harris: room filming a TikTok with Connor. Like get out of your bedrooms and be adults. Mat: Yeah. Get out of your bedrooms and be adults. Right. Like, I don't know, that comes just Michelle Harris: Like, I don't know, that comment was just annoying to me, like, we can't let Whitney take over today. okay, whatever. Meanwhile, Dakota's helping Taylor put her boots on and she's saying that she never has enough time to get ready and she doesn't look as good as the other girls do because they had more time and Dakota's calling her pretty and gorgeous this entire time, so they're getting all lovey dovey with each other. Mat: Meanwhile Dakota is helping Taylor put her boots on and she's saying that she never has enough time to get ready and she doesn't look as good as the other girls do because they had more time and Dakota's calling her pretty and gorgeous this entire time, so they're getting all lovey dovey with that. They go downstairs and a bunch of people are taking shots before they leave and Jace decides to take a shot. Okay. Alright. Michelle Harris: They go downstairs and a bunch of people are taking shots before they leave and Jace decides to take a shot or two. Which he doesn't do normally. So no. Okay. Michaela is very annoyed by this because Jace has been being cold to her all day and now he's having shots and letting loose with other people. Mat: doesn't do normally. he's not a drinker? No. Okay. Michaela's very annoyed by this because Jace has been being cool to her all day and now he's having shots and letting loose with other people. The group leaves for stagecoach and the girls are like dancing and kissing on the bus and Taylor and Dakota are like bumping and grinding. Macy is not a fan of what's going on but Michelle Harris: The group leaves for Stagecoach and the girls are like dancing and kissing on the bus and Taylor and Dakota are like bumping and grinding. Macy is not a fan of what's going on, but overall it seems like everyone's letting loose and having a good time. Mat: Yeah, yeah. Michelle Harris: A girl then when they get to Stagecoach approaches Michaela and thanks her for sharing her journey with her skin stuff and says that she's going through some stuff right now and her TikToks have really helped. Mat: get to stagecoach approaches Michaela and thanks her for sharing her journey with her skin stuff and says that she's going through some stuff right now and her TikToks have really helped. Jace was standing right there so after the girl leaves, Jace Yeah, Mike Michelle Harris: Jace was standing right there, so after the girl leaves, Jace Mat: sorry, Michaela was the sick girl from season one. Yes, Michaela the sick girl. The sick girl. Okay, yeah, yeah. Sorry. Jace says that it's so Jace was standing right there when this interaction happened and he turned to Michaela and said, Wow that's pretty cool honey Michelle Harris: Yes. Yes, Michaela the sick girl. Yes. Yeah, yeah. Sorry. Jace says that it's so Jace was standing right there when this interaction happened and he turned to Michaela and said, Wow, that's pretty cool, honey and Michaela completely ignores him and walks away. When he asks if she's mad, she says yes and that she doesn't want Mat: And Michaela completely ignores him and walks away. When he asks if she's mad, she says yes, and that she doesn't want to tell. Michelle Harris: to talk to him and walks like away and so then he like just stays back and doesn't go with the group anywhere and he's just like sitting in a corner a stagecoach by himself. Macy and Jesse say that they have never seen Michaela and Jace fight before, so this was a first and they were all just very confused about what was going on. Right, right. Okay. Mat: Walks like away and so then he like just stays back and doesn't go with the group anywhere and he's just like sitting in a corner of stagecoach. Okay. Macy and Jesse say that they have never seen Michaela and Jace fight before, so they're fight at first and they were all just very confused about what was going on. Right, right. Okay. Michelle Harris: Hugh, Dakota and Taylor cuddling and Dakota saying that he loves her with all of his heart. All the girls are grossed out and freaking out. They're taking photos together. Mat: Hugh, Dakota and Taylor cuddling and Dakota saying that he loves her with all of his heart. All the girls are grossed out and freaking out, they're taking photos together. Michelle Harris: And yeah, it's just a lot. They all get ready to leave and they don't know where Jace is and Jace is by himself. And then they show the bus pulling away, so I don't know if Jace ever went on the bus with them. Mat: They all get ready to leave and they don't know where Jace is, and Jace is by himself, and then they show the bus pulling away, so don't know if Jace ever went on the bus with them. Jace in an interview says that maybe it's time for him and the Michaela to take a break and separate for a while. Michelle Harris: Jason in interview says that maybe it's time for him and Michaela to take a break and separate for a while. Mat: jeeze. So he's getting over it. So last episode he was all about Michelle Harris: So he's getting f over it fairly quickly. Mat: helping her and therapy and this and that and then Yeah, and I don't think he's given up, but he's kind of just at the point where he's not seeing any improvement. Right. okay. Well that yeah, then that's a little different. But yeah Michelle Harris: Yeah, and I don't think he's given up, but he's kind of just at the point where he's not seeing any improvement and she has admitted that she hasn't scheduled the therapy appointment yet. So at that point he's kind of under the impression what are we doing here? Mat: Yeah. Michelle Harris: It's not getting better. She doesn't want to go to therap couples therapy. She like so that's this is different. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Back at the house, Jace and Michaela are in the room, and Jace, you can hear, so they have the camera outside. They're not mic'd up, but you can hear them from outside the door. Jace is telling Michaela that she was not right for what she did today. Mat: their couple therapy sh like so Okay, yeah, so that's this is different from from last episode. Okay. Back at the house, Jace and Michaela are in the room and Jace you can hear so they have the camera outside. They're not mic'd up, but you can hear them from outside the door. Jace is telling Michaela that she was not right for what she did today. Michelle Harris: and she treated him like shit. Mat: She treated him like shit and it wasn't fair and all this stuff. So you can't hear it's like inaudible what Mikaela's saying back to hear Jace talking to her. Yeah. The girls are wondering where Mikaela is, so they are on the other side of the house in the kitchen, so they can't hear any of this going on. so like all the girls are hanging out together, but she's up there. Okay. Finally Macy and Taylor decide to go look for Michaela, see if she's alright. Michelle Harris: And it wasn't fair and all this stuff. So you can't hear it's like inaudible what Michaela's saying back to him, but you can hear Jace talking to her. The girls are wondering where Michaela is, so they are on the other side of the house in the kitchen, so they can't hear any of this going on. That's like all the girls are hanging out with the Right. And so finally Macy and Taylor decide to go look for Michaela, see if she's alright. When they get to Jace and Michaela's room, the door is cracked open, so they kind of knock, and then they don't hear anything, so they go in, they find Michaela's coming out of the bathroom. they ask if she wants to go outside to the fire and have a little chat, so they go outside. At this point, Jace is downstairs playing pool with all the other guys. Mat: When they get to Jace Mikaela's room, the door is cracked open, so they kind of knock, and then they don't hear anything, so they go in, they find Mikaela's coming out of the bathroom, they ask if she wants to go outside to the fire and have a little chat, so they go outside. At this point, Jace is downstairs playing pool with all the other guys. Okay. Michelle Harris: Michaela starts to open up to Macy and Taylor about everything. Mat: Michaela starts to open up to Macy and Taylor about everything that's going on in her marriage and where they stand while Dakota and Jace are kind of talking about everything that had happened that day. So at that point Taylor was kind of shocked because she always was under the impression that Jace and Michaela were in the sense emotionally very Michelle Harris: that's going on in her marriage and where they stand while Dakota and Jace are kinda talking about everything that had happened that day. So at that point Taylor was kind of shocked because she always was under the impression that Jace and Michaela were in the sense emotionally very on par with one another, in Yeah. Mat: on par with one another in saying they Michelle Harris: they were the ideal relationship to look towards when it comes to that aspect. So seeing this, she was kind of thrown off. But she does give Michaela good advice about, you know, if you do want to move past this, you have to work through it. So going to therapy and getting the help and talking to someone is the only way that you're going to move forward. And if you don't do that. So Michaela says after talking to the girls, there's something freeing about Mat: were the ideal relationship to look towards when it comes to that aspect. So seeing this she was kind of thrown off, but she does give Michaela good advice about, you know, if you do want to move past this, you have to work through it. So going to therapy and getting the help and talking to someone is the only way that you're gonna move forward. Right. Don't do that. So Michaela says after talking to the girls, there's something freeing about Michelle Harris: letting all these emotions that got so pent up. Mat: letting all these emotions that got so pent up, letting those go, that she's been holding in for so long and it's it is motivating her to go to couples therapy for her marriage. Michelle Harris: letting those go, that she's been holding in for so long and it's it is motivating her to go to couples therapy for her marriage. Mat: Okay. Michelle Harris: The next day everyone's getting ready to leave stagecoach and Taylor goes up to Jace in the morning and asks how he's doing. He says that the space and time will allow Michaela to do some good. I think that's because coming up they're going on more press, so I think they're gonna have some time away from one another. Taylor said that her and Dakota were talking about it last night because this was the first time they saw the two of them fighting. Mat: The next day everyone's getting ready to leave, stagecoach. And Taylor goes up to Jace in the morning and asks how he's doing. He says that the space and time will allow Michaela to do some good. I think that's because coming up they're going on more press, so I think they're gonna have some time away from one another. Okay. Taylor said that her and Dakota were talking about it last night because this was the first time they saw the two of them fighting. Michelle Harris: And Taylor tells him that she Mat: And Taylor tells him that she Michelle Harris: told Mikaela that the only way to get past everything is to go through it. Jay says he knows it's gonna take some time, but he does have jealousy for Taylor and Dakota's relationship because of how great of sexual chemistry they have. And Taylor says, Well, she longs for having a good relationship so I guess the grass is never greener on the other side. Mat: Told Mikhaila that the only way to get past everything is to go through it. Jay says he knows it's gonna take some time, but he does have jealousy for Taylor and Dakota's relationship because of how great of sexual chemistry they have. That's all they have. Taylor says, Well, she longs for having a good relationship. So I the bass is very great. Right, right. Jay does ask Taylor what's going on with Dakota. Michelle Harris: Jace does ask Taylor what's going on with Dakota and Taylor says that she was always hoping and she sees that Dakota is trying and she thinks that maybe it's time to give it another shot. Mat: says that she was always hoping and she sees that Dakota is trying and she thinks that maybe it's time to give it another shot. Okay. Alright. After the girls get back to Bravo and it's just Jordan and Jesse in a car together, Jesse says that stagecoach things are better between her and Jordan. Michelle Harris: After the girls get back to Bravo and it's just Jordan and Jesse in a car together, Jesse says that stagecoach things are better between her and Jordan. Jesse and Jordan start talking about if Taylor and Dakota should get back together or if they are back together. It turns out though that one of the times Dakota and Taylor were separated, one of Leanne's friends reached out to Dakota to check in on him. Mat: Jesse and Jordan start talking about if Taylor and Dakota should get back together or if they are back together. It turns out though that one of the times Dakota and Taylor were separated, one of Leanne's friends reached out to Dakota to check in on him. Things got flirty and it turned to sexual flirt. Lee like Taylor's mom? Taylor's mom. Taylor's mom's friend. Okay Okay. Things got flirty. Michelle Harris: Things got flirty and it turned to sexual flirting. Like Taylor's mom. Like Taylor's mom. Taylor's mom's friend reached out to Dakota. Okay. Things got flirty. Okay. And then turned to sexual flirting, but when it came time Mat: Okay. Michelle Harris: to actually hang out, Dakota shut it down and backed out. Okay. All right. Jesse says that if she sees Taylor, she can't not say anything. Mat: Dakota shut it down and backed out. Okay, alright. Jesse says that if she sees Taylor, she can't not say anything. And at this point Jordan was like, I told you this because I wanted to show you I trust you and I wanna have a r like good our good relationship act, but he understands and says that Dakota is planning on telling Taylor. okay. At this point Taylor thinks that Dakota has told him everything. Everything. Michelle Harris: And at this point Jordan was like, I told you this because I wanted to show you I trust you and I wanted to have a r like good our good relationship back, but he understands and says that Dakota is planning on telling Taylor. okay. At this point, Taylor thinks that Dakota has told him everything. Everything. Everything. And when Jesse asks Jordan which friend this was, they blur out her name. Mat: Everything. And when Jesse asks Jordan which friend this was, they blur out her name, Jesse does indicate that this is a very, very close family friend to Taylor, and Jordan just looks like he wants nothing to do with it. Michelle Harris: Jesse does indicate that this is a very, very close family friend to Taylor and Jordan just looks like he wants nothing to do with this anymore. She's like, this could ruin her mom's friendship with this person, her family's fr like, this goes way deeper than just Mat: Right. Michelle Harris: Dakota lying and cheating with some random girl. Mat: Yeah. Michelle Harris: Yeah. And that's the end of the episode. Okay. Wow. Mat: That's it. Okay. Wow. Yeah. Michelle Harris: Yeah. Mat: All right. Well Yeah, I guess Michelle Harris: Yeah. Mat: pick it pick it back up next week. Yeah. Michelle Harris: Yeah. Mat: Huh, okay. Any any preview? I actually did start watching. Okay, yeah, so yeah, don't the preview included Whitney and Demi out of lunch together. it included kind of Michelle Harris: Any any preview. I actually did start watching next week. But the preview included Whitney and Demi out of lunch together. it included kind of s like clips of the reunion. it included Jen with Ezra a dancing with the Stars Pro dancing, and it included Mat: like clips of the reunion. it included Jen with Ezra a Dancing with the Stars pro dancing and it included Michelle Harris: I think Taylor and Dakota taking baby photos together, like family photos with Dancing with the Stars. Like Yeah, so since next week is the reunion, Mat: I think Taylor and Dakota taking baby photos together, like family photos. Okay. So Dancing with the Stars, like Yeah, so since next week is the reunion Michelle Harris: then it this episode this this week happened with Stagecoach. Yeah, yeah. Then they filmed the reunion. Okay. Then they filmed this next episode. So they know that they're on Dancing with the Stars now, next episode. Mat: Then it this episode this this week happened with Siegecoach. Yeah, yeah. Then they filmed The Reunion. Okay. Then they filmed this next episode. So they know that they're on Dancing with the Stars now. Next episode. Okay. Okay. So they know who's on it. So then I guess Jen had met Ezra when she was out there last Michelle Harris: So they know who's on it. So then I guess Jen had met Ezra when she was out there last and then they stayed in contact. So she went to go meet up with him in Utah when he was home 'cause he's from Utah and met up with him to like at a dance studio, but we'll see that next week. Okay. Alright. So yeah. And then next week Mat: And then they stayed in contact, so she went to go meet up with him in Utah when he was home because he's from Utah. Okay. And met up with him to like at a dance studio, but we'll see that. Gotcha. Okay. Alright. So yeah. And then next week we're we're at the beach. Yes. We might do Michelle Harris: Yes. Mat: a Secret Lives of Mormon Wives episode. We might just push Secret Lives till the following week and maybe do a couple of your w what was it? What's Mary Harry? What's Mary Harry? August fifth, which is tomorrow. Yeah, tomorrow which is the day before recording this is tomorrow. Michelle Harris: Let's Marry Harry comes out comes out August fifth, which is tomorrow. Yeah, tomorrow, which is the day before this episode. Yeah. So by the time this comes out it will be out. but yeah, so Let's Marry Harry comes out, so we might do a quick one and then how many episodes are that are there? Seven. So we were gonna do like three three, three and the final. The finale. Okay. Yeah. So we'll figure that one out. So might be Mat: But yeah, so Let's Mary Harry comes out, so we might do a quick one and then And how many episodes of that are there? Seven. So we were gonna do like three, three and then the The finale. Okay. Yeah. So we'll figure that one out. So might be Michelle Harris: One episode drop next week, might be two. recorded the beach. Mat: one episode drop next week, might be two. Yeah, maybe we'll record at the beach. Michelle Harris: I don't wanna promise any of that. There'll be something next Thursday. Yeah, there'll be something that comes out next Thursday. Mat: There will be something next Thursday. Yeah, there'll be something. Might be Let's Marry Harry, might be Secret Lives. Maybe there'll be more. Who knows? I did start watching next episode, so I already am kind of ahead. Alright, well we'll figure something out. Michelle Harris: Yeah. Yeah. Maybe there'll be more Maybe, maybe. I did start watching next episode, so I already am kind of ahead, but yeah. Mat: We can always record at the beach too, maybe. You wanna lug all the stuff so the beach? It's not that much. Okay. We'll see. Maybe coming to you from a different location. Yeah. Michelle Harris: You wanna lug all this stuff to the beach? Okay. We'll see. Maybe coming to you from a different location. Yeah. Mat: Not the not the basement bar, but From the beach. We'll see. All right. Well, anyway. Anyway. Thanks for listening, everybody. We appreciate it. be sure to follow us on Instagram at reality hitsmat. That's reality hits A T just one TM Matt. Same on TikTok Michelle Harris: Anyway. Thanks for listening everybody. We appreciate it. be sure to follow us on Instagram at reality hits Matt. That's reality hits A T. Just one DM Matt. Same on TikTok. Mat: at reality hits mat. And if you have any questions, comments, want to drop us a line, email us reality hitsmat at gmail dot com. Thanks. Thank you. Michelle Harris: Gmail com. Thanks. Thank you.