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The Return Of Sam The Sandown Clown · HOLOSKY PODCAST

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  [SPEAKER_00]: Uh, today have kind of an exciting update to one of my favorite entities that we have ever covered on the show ever.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: It's one of the craziest ones that we talked about.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: It's been years now.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I know.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Everything just kind of blend time is soup.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Everything blends together.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it doesn't feel like it's been that long.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: No.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I really thought it was a one and done.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: It's such an odd
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And I hadn't heard anything really like it before, so I didn't really expect to hear anything about it again.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: You can go back and listen to episode one, fifty two that we released.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: That's a long time ago.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: It is a long time ago.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: We've released over double those episodes since then.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And I do believe that it is a favorite of the hollow cult.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: We release that episode back in the beginning, March of twenty twenty two.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: That's like halfway through our journey.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Up to this point, not our total journey.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Up to this point.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: But that episode is from roll please.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Thank you.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Sam the sand down clown.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: You guys remember all color Sam?
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Apparently, it wasn't a one and done.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: So, is it a recent encounter?
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  [SPEAKER_00]: No.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: But it was, it was follow-ups to the original encounter.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Well, we'll dive into it here.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Okay.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: It's kind of an update.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: So, I'm gonna do a little bit of a recap on the OG story, but if you want the whole thing and you need to go back and listen to it, that's episode one, fifty two.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Sam the sand down clown.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Uh, yeah, I'll be given a recap before I get into it.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: We're going to start a bit for with where the story is today.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: So there is a man by the name of Paul A. T. Wilson.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: He's a folklorist and a writer and a Sam the clown enthusiast.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And he had been in search for the original experiences, the two children that experienced the or an initial encounter for years.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Apparently, recently, like in twenty nineteen, he found one of them.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And he's gotten to interview her a couple times, which is pretty interesting.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: As dedication there too to track them down and get a follow-up interview, also really bizarre to be like ultra fascinated with.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I feel like it's
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  [SPEAKER_00]: it's interesting because it was so far of a one off but he also he also lived it lives in the area.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: So okay, so you got a little bit of a local.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he's kind of kind of that kind of pulls his interest to it.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Where am I here?
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  [SPEAKER_00]: So through his work, he he did find the the girl who went by the name of Fay, which is an acronym or not an acronym pseudonym.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: because they didn't want their actual identity to be released.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: He's documented several meetings that she had with Sam post the initial meeting.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: That's creepy.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he's he's come back a few times.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: He's also doing a series of presentations on the Isle of White where it took place.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: So if any of our UK listeners are out there, keep an eye open for his
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Speaking speeches.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: If you want to go catch those, I feel like that would be pretty dope.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: So Paul again, Paul lives on the out of white is a background in pre medieval history as well as really interested in UK folklore.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: He has been pretty much searching the story of Sam for decades and through that he has been contacted with a lot with multiple different phase in the past.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Like people would come forward, hey, I'm the girl from this encounter and then they wouldn't provide any proof and
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  [SPEAKER_00]: It would just be a complete run around until this time.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: He thinks she has put forth evidence that is pretty compelling.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: So he's pretty well sold on the fact that this may be the actual girl from the account.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: With that being said, I'm going to go into a recap here.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: So everybody can kind of get the gist of the story.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And then we'll go into the new information.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: So the original encounter happened back in May of nineteen seventy three a young girl that we know as fae was playing with her friend in a meadow near Lake Common on the olive white.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: The children began hearing a strange sound almost like an ambulance siren off in the distance.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Being kids being curious.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: They decided to go check it out.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: This led them across a local golf course and into like a marchy field meadow near the sand down airport.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Interestingly, as soon as they stepped into the field, the sound stopped.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: So that guy, oh, you know, that's odd, but being curious kids, they just continued off across the field.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: That's when they came across this wooden footbridge that crossed a creek that ran through the meadow.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: As they started to cross the bridge out from underneath it, came a hand that gripped the bottom of the bridge.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And this hand had like a blue light glove on it, and only had three fingers.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: As it's gripping the walkway, they kind of stopped.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: They're like, oh, this is weird.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And then out from beneath the bridge, crawled a tall humanoid creature.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: It had its back to the children, so they couldn't get a good look at it at this time.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: But they did see that it was holding a small, like, notebook in its hands.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: They knew this because as the entity tried to get out from in the creek, he dropped the notebook into the stream.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: As he went to retrieve it, he was kind of like splashing around and stuff to recover it like he was struggling and then he climbed up the opposite side of the bank.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: But he still refused to like make eye contact with the children and just kind of moved further away from them.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: They talked about the way he moved, said it, the way he moved was not
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  [SPEAKER_00]: like normally human.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: He moved in real jerky, puppet-like motions, almost like he was hopping, and that really stood off to, there stood out to them.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: As they watched him make his way across the marsh or the field, they saw this weird metallic hut sitting in the meadow that they didn't see before, or on their way out there.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: They didn't see it, but now that he's moving toward it,
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  [SPEAKER_00]: They noticed it and they described it as having no windows.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: They watched him disappear into the hut and that kind of startled the children.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: They are like, okay, this is pretty fucking weird.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: We kind of want to leave when they turn around to leave.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: The odd siren noise started up again.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Started wailing again.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: This caused Fay to turn around and look at the hut, but her younger friend, I think Fay was seven and I think the little boy was five, so they were pretty young.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: The younger friends started to just continue running.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: He was getting the hell out of there.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: that isn't till the wailing stop and then began to hear a voice as they look back they saw Sam the creature had come back out of the hut and they were he was standing in front of them they're standing in front of the hut talking into this black knob microphone it was connected to almost look like some weird speaker down down at his feet
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And they said they heard him speaking and they saw him talking into it, but it wasn't like the speaker was putting sound out into the air.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: It was, the way they described it is he would talk into the microphone and it would directly like go into their brain like mind speak, which is kind of crazy.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: It's uncomfortable.
• 15:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And the voice said, hello, are you still there?
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  [SPEAKER_00]: The children said there was nothing or there was something friendly and calming about his voice and it made them subconsciously want to approach him, made them want to go and talk to him.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: So I thought it was weird.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to stop right there and kind of talk about it a bit.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: It's weird that he's he's dressed up.
• 15:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm not dressed up.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: He kind of looks like a clown because I'll talk a little bit more about how he's described here from the original encounter.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: But it also like him dropping the notebook in the water and splashing around made it like it feels real animated to me like he's trying to be funny for the children, which is creepy.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I think, I don't know if we really hit on only did the original episode, but it definitely makes me feel a very screen memory presentation.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean?
• 16:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because it like from the accounts that we've heard since then of, you know, cartoon rats and just all types of characters that get affiliated with extra
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  [SPEAKER_01]: this feels like it's right up that alley.
• 16:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's it's weird with the metallic cut and all that jazz.
• 16:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: It feels it feels very extra terrestrial to me.
• 16:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it makes it makes me feel like because they're young.
• 16:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: They're young kids.
• 16:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: They're seven and five.
• 16:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: It makes me feel like they're trying to rationalize.
• 16:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: Uh, uh, uh, UFO abduction.
• 17:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Cause you, like, we've seen pictures of different UFOs and there could be some that are easily mistaken for hot, you know, like sure.
• 17:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: The way that it's drawn, I'll, uh, I've got the origin.
• 17:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: I found, uh, like a PDF of the very original, uh, Bufora account where they actually had the same account.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: Um,
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  [SPEAKER_00]: And it is, okay, remember what the before stands for, but I'm about to find out, British UFO research association.
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  [SPEAKER_00]: So I've got the original PDF from when this was published in nineteen seventy eight.
• 17:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: I might post that in the Patreon for everyone.
• 17:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: You can find it online, but if you don't want to start to post it in Patreon.
• 17:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: But the drawing of the HUD and stuff there, the original drawing from the children are there.
• 17:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's it's interesting reading the very first time anybody came out came out with the encounter.
• 17:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: Um, this is the way they described him directly from the before, uh, accountant in January of
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  [SPEAKER_00]: said he was nearly seven feet tall and he had no neck.
• 18:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: His head appeared to be set directly onto his shoulders.
• 18:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: He wore a yellow pointed hat that connected seamlessly with his red collar of a green tunic, a round black knob set on the top of his hat, and wooden, quote, wooden, what they thought was wooden, and Tana extended from each side of the hat.
• 18:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: His face had triangular markings for eyes, a brown square for a nose, and motionless yellow lips.
• 18:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: Additional round markings adorned, his paper white cheeks with a friend of red hair fell across his forehead.
• 18:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: Quote, wooden slats protruded from the sleeves of his tunic and beneath his white trousers.
• 18:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: It almost makes like, it's almost like a clown cross with a scarecrow or some shit.
• 18:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm gonna look into something real quick.
• 18:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: Because it makes me feel a certain way to describe it, but I want to see kind of makes me think around on McDonald.
• 19:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: If Ronald McDonald was an alien.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: All right, so here's what I think.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: The way you describe it reminds me of two things.
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  [SPEAKER_01]: It reminds me of a child's drawing of a clown, right?
• 19:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: And then you compare that.
• 19:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: So you think about, you're like, well, what could be a reference point?
• 19:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: What could be familiar?
• 19:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, I know.
• 19:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: Pinocchio.
• 19:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: Hmm.
• 19:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: Pinothea came out in the way he moved like a puppet.
• 19:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, interesting.
• 19:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: Interest on the, you know, the artwork in Pinothea.
• 19:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, all that shit in a hundred percent makes me feel like some some little kid watch Pinothea and kind of use that inspiration to halfway draw a clownish.
• 20:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: thing.
• 20:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean?
• 20:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's something I initially thought I wonder if there's any clowns out there that will mask the description he gives.
• 20:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: Then you give the description.
• 20:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, man.
• 20:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: It makes me feel like a little kid drew a picture of what they envisioned the clown, but they use reference points from Pinocchio.
• 20:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 20:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, that could, could very well be.
• 20:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: I didn't think about like the the puppet aspect, the way they described him moving like a puppet.
• 20:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: Also very, very Pinocchio like the two of course.
• 20:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it was in just hot and that's interesting.
• 20:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: Cool.
• 20:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: The entity was still holding onto its notebook and began communicating through it.
• 20:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: Instead of using this weird mind-speak microphone as the children were there, he wrote a series of words just kind of all over the place, not in any particular order.
• 21:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: He showed them to Fay and then he pointed to them the way that he wanted her to read them.
• 21:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: And he said, or the words he pointed to was, hello, I am all colors, comma, Sam.
• 21:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: So that's where he got his name, Sam, the sand down clown are all color Sam.
• 21:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's weird.
• 21:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, it's strange that he decided to communicate that way because I wonder if like the mind speak thing was too much for the kids.
• 21:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: I kind of picked up on it was freaking him out.
• 21:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: Or if maybe like him being inside their brain is what calmed them enough to get them to where he wanted them to be.
• 21:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: Maybe like to bring them over, lure them up.
• 21:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, you think about the mind-speak speaker could have been like a last-inch effort to get their attention because they were already on the run.
• 21:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 21:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: And then once he got him there, he changed tactics.
• 21:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 21:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: They go on to say that after Fay read this,
• 22:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: said this out loud, he reverted back to speaking, not through the microphone, but also not normally.
• 22:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: The children said that he was talking directly and they could hear him not just in their brain, but they could hear him out loud, but his lips didn't move.
• 22:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: They said he was hard to hear and hard to understand like someone who didn't move their mouth properly, almost like a ventriloquist with a puppet.
• 22:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oddly enough.
• 22:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that is weird.
• 22:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: He asked the children about themselves, began asking them a question.
• 22:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: So in return, they asked him questions.
• 22:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: They inquired about his clothes, which were all ripped and tattered, and he explained to them that he only had one set.
• 22:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: And those were the only clothes he could ever wear.
• 22:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: Because of this strange pale features, they asked if he was a man.
• 22:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: He chuckled and replied, no, then they asked if he was a ghost.
• 22:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: And his answer was vague.
• 22:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: He said, well, not really, but I am in an odd sort of way.
• 22:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: The kids ask, well, what are you then?
• 23:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: And he just responded with, you know, and then didn't offer any further explanation.
• 23:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: He also mentioned that he had no name, which is confusing because he put the word Sam down on the notebook.
• 23:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: So there's kind of two camps to where they don't know if he was referring to himself as Sam or if maybe he thought one of the children's names or Sam.
• 23:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: Interesting.
• 23:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: He went on to tell them that there were others like him.
• 23:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: He even drew a rough sketch of them.
• 23:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: He confided that he was frightened of people and worried that they may hurt him.
• 23:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: Apparently, if attacked, he said that he was not allowed to fight back.
• 23:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: They noted that there were two farmers mending a fence nearby and they didn't react to Sam.
• 23:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: They didn't react to the children talking to him.
• 23:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: They didn't react to the hut.
• 23:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: Nothing at all.
• 23:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: It was almost as if the farmers could not see anything that was going on.
• 23:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: This all took place outside of the hut, I should say.
• 23:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: So then he invited the children into the hut.
• 24:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: They said that as they went in, they had to crawl through the small little flap and Sam was behind them as they went in.
• 24:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: But as soon as they crossed the precipice of the flap, he was already inside.
• 24:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: So it was almost like a... I don't know what it is.
• 24:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: What does that call when you can just move from one place to another like night crawler?
• 24:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's almost like a teleporting thing.
• 24:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, teleportation.
• 24:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's it.
• 24:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: Or it could have been like with the way it's set up.
• 24:32
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, those kids could have been talking to a fucking hologram.
• 24:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 24:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: It gets kind of intermittently later on.
• 24:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: So he made it.
• 24:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: It definitely all this definitely feels predatory.
• 24:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: He may just be walking in and out of dimensions and nobody even knows it.
• 24:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: As they crawled through the flap, they decided to, or they kind of described what the inside of the hut looked like.
• 24:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: They said it had two levels, the lower level, had plenty of headroom, and also had a weird wallpaper on it that was blue and green.
• 25:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: And it had all these patterns that looked like dials, but they did, they didn't mention that it was like on the actual wallpaper.
• 25:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: So that's weird.
• 25:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like almost like it's one telling you, I'm telling you, this all feels like a kid's drawing, man.
• 25:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 25:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: The whole thing.
• 25:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like the way it's playing on him, obviously, it's not just, it's not a legit kid's drawing, but the way it's like making them see everything.
• 25:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: It makes, it just feels like a kid's drawing to everything.
• 25:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: Feel less threatening.
• 25:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
• 25:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 25:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: Um, it contained an electric heater they said in a simple and simple wooden furniture.
• 25:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: The upper level was smaller with a metallic floor.
• 25:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: He told the children that he fed on berries, which he collected in the late afternoon.
• 25:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: He did not say exactly where, but he mentioned that he had a camp on the mainland that he could go to.
• 25:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: He also said that the river water around here could be drank once it was cleaned.
• 26:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: As they're inside the hut, he removes his hat, revealing around white ears and sparse brown hair.
• 26:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: Before eating a berry, he performed an odd, quote, conjuring trick.
• 26:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: He placed the berry in his ear, thrust his head forward, and made it disappear.
• 26:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: Only for it to reappear out of one of his eyes.
• 26:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: Which little kid magic tricks?
• 26:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yes, yes.
• 26:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: He repeated the process in the other year, which made the berry end up in his mouth, then he ate.
• 26:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: They continued to talk for about a half an hour before the children said that they had to be on their way.
• 26:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: They stopped talking or they took off and they stopped at the groundskeeper who was at the golf course that they crossed.
• 26:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: They told them that they'd seen a ghost in the meadow and he just laughed them off.
• 26:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: The children kept the encounter secret for you for a few weeks before Faye told her father, who at first didn't believe them.
• 27:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: But when he heard how much detail they had both explained and shared in the encounter, he began to think that maybe his daughter had been abducted by aliens.
• 27:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: He himself was there.
• 27:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: That there right there to me explains the antenna on Sam.
• 27:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: His head.
• 27:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 27:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 27:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: Because it
• 27:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: one of the odds in that day and age that he out of the blue thinks that his kid is abducted by aliens.
• 27:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: He's deep in UFO lore.
• 27:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's what I'm assuming.
• 27:38
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 27:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's why his daughter drew that.
• 27:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, and my head, she is responsible for the creation of of what Sam looks like.
• 27:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 27:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's that's a theory that maybe like because he he had had many UFO encounters up up to this point and even one like a few weeks before the Sam incident.
• 27:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: So they're wondering if maybe she had kind of just heard bits and pieces.
• 28:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: of this and then kind of translated this into whatever encounter that she had.
• 28:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: Or it's it's hereditary.
• 28:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, we hear that all the time that these abductions will follow lineage.
• 28:16
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 28:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: And the fact that she most likely had heard tells from the dad.
• 28:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think I think it only it feels like a swap like one, she started putting interest into it kind of not really but kind of will just say it's interest.
• 28:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: It takes up on that.
• 28:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: And there's like, well, I'm going to appear to her as something not terrifying.
• 28:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean?
• 28:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like, it all feels like, yeah, it's connected in this weird.
• 28:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
• 28:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: To me right now, it feels very predatory.
• 28:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it feels very wrong.
• 28:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's it's weird.
• 28:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: I got no lot of people would be like, oh, but it's just being nice, you know, this, I don't know.
• 28:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: I just feel a predatory sense kind of knocking on the door.
• 29:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because it's an alien.
• 29:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: None of them have good intentions.
• 29:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, let's, yeah.
• 29:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: But her dad, who goes by, like, there's anonymity everywhere.
• 29:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: It goes by the name of Mr. Y, which Paul does a lot of research into, including his UFO encounters and stuff.
• 29:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: And they say at his talks, he talks a lot more about the encounters the Mr. Y has throughout his life, especially post Sam.
• 29:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: He kept detailed journals of all of his encounters up until he died in the early two thousands.
• 29:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: Fast forward.
• 29:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: We're going to talk a little bit more about Paul here.
• 29:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: So Paul, AT Wilson has always been interested in the case of Sam, often trying to research and find the original two children that I had mentioned earlier.
• 29:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: He sat as run in with people claiming to be Fay, all of which couldn't provide much evidence of at all.
• 29:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: This isn't till twenty nineteen.
• 29:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: He was contacted by someone who claimed that their mother was Fay from the sand down clown story.
• 29:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: And she wanted to meet and speak with him.
• 30:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: Paul obviously was skeptical from being burned in the past.
• 30:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: but he agreed to meet with the woman.
• 30:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: After arriving at her home, she produced the box and handed it to him.
• 30:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: Inside were sixty pages of documents, including handwritten letters from Mr. Y, two Bufora and letters back from them.
• 30:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: Also included was the original sketches of Sam and the original sketches of the Hut, even the notebook that Sam had when he dropped it into the stream
• 30:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: and had drawn written little, I am all color Sam was included in this box from their original encounter.
• 30:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: So this obviously was enough to catch Paul's attention.
• 30:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: Rightfully so he said the notebook was still like it you could see the water stains on it where he dropped into the water.
• 30:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: Also included in the notebook were sketches that Sam had made of like plants from the area rocks from the area very much like other UFO alien encounters we've had whether check and shit out.
• 31:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: And think about the the nonchalantness of little detail of there being water stains on the notebook.
• 31:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 31:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: What are the odds that someone fakes that?
• 31:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's what like I kind of get into to whether or not this could be a hoax at the end.
• 31:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: And if it is like someone put their time in,
• 31:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: I did not find how she got the notebook.
• 31:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know if Sam gave it to her later on or if he gave it because I didn't say he gave it to her in the original encounter.
• 31:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: But anyway, this fae told Paul that this wasn't the only meeting she had with Sam.
• 31:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: She wanted to she finally and twenty nineteen wanted to come forward and talk more about it.
• 32:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: So that's where we are now, Sam's return.
• 32:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: The second encounter happened in nineteen eighty two, nine years after the first sighting.
• 32:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: It was a teenager now, and she was working at a local stable, a ways away from her home, or enough that it caused her to have to ride the bus back and forth.
• 32:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: After she had finished up for the evening, she began her trek back toward the bus stops, she gathered up her stuff, and she was walking down this long windy country road to get to where the bus would pick her up.
• 32:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: There's woods on all sides of the road.
• 32:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's pretty, pretty secluded.
• 32:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: There's nobody else there.
• 32:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: She's walking down this road.
• 32:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: She began to hear a faint buzz or a hum.
• 32:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: Almost like the air was full of static electricity.
• 32:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: So much so that she said she can almost see the electricity shimmer in the air.
• 32:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: So she began to get nervous.
• 32:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: She was just feeling like something was wrong.
• 32:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: So she started to walk a little bit faster toward the bus stop.
• 33:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: Then she started hearing a rustling from the forest.
• 33:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: And that's when she saw him.
• 33:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: The same white painted face, the same tattered torn clothing.
• 33:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: Although she did mention his clothes look cleaner and less tattered than before, almost like he'd cleaned them up and tried to fix them, but it was Sam.
• 33:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: And he was back.
• 33:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: He scuttled out of the woods in his weird puppet walk, his weird hopping like he did before.
• 33:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: This time he didn't come with a microphone in a notebook.
• 33:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: face said that he carried what she thought was a wand.
• 33:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: But as he got closer and looked at it, it looked like a flute with a bunch of buttons on it.
• 33:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: She stated that she wasn't afraid of him, kind of like the first time that they met, like she was, she felt almost a piece, an odd calmness that she always had with him, even like when the little boy was terrified in the first encounter.
• 33:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: But what Sam had wasn't an instrument at all.
• 33:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: He actually used it to draw.
• 33:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: Not on the pavement or in the dirt, but he would wave it through the air.
• 34:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: And where he would wave the wand, it would create illustrations that what FACE said looked like animated chalk drawings in the sky.
• 34:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: And they would just, or in the air, and they would just hang there until they would dissipate.
• 34:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: She wasn't sure why he did this or what he was trying to convey.
• 34:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: The things that he was putting forth didn't make any sense to her.
• 34:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: They were just symbols and shapes and stuff.
• 34:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: But like with a lot of things Sam does, they're just weird.
• 34:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: He's just a weird creature.
• 34:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like his interactions and behaviors are strange and there's not a lot of explanation to them.
• 34:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: He then began to speak to Fay.
• 34:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: She noted that his voice was much clearer than before in less robotic.
• 34:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: Sam said he'd been keeping an eye on her and then he was glad that they became friends.
• 34:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: Fay was in such a shock that she seen him again that she didn't really do much talking at all.
• 34:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: Sam just kind of led the conversation.
• 34:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: He went on to tell Fay that things were better now.
• 35:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: He didn't have to forge for food and he didn't have to hide from humans.
• 35:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: She asked him to elaborate what he meant by better.
• 35:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: But in the classic Sam vagueness, he just kind of dodged the question.
• 35:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: She said that he stood there and spoke with him for what she thought was about ten minutes when she told him he needed to go and get on the bus or her family would be worried.
• 35:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: Sam nodded his head and understanding and he said, I will see you again four more times if you want.
• 35:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: Travel safely before he creepily hopped off into the forest.
• 35:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: It wasn't long before he returned again.
• 35:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: One year later, in nineteen eighty three, Fey was seventeen years old.
• 35:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: It was a warm summer evening and Fey had went out to a local park to spend some time with her friends.
• 35:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: They were all gathered around some concrete park benches, smoking, drinking some wine that they'd stole from their parents, just doing normal teenage things, just hanging out.
• 35:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: Fey hadn't been there long enough to even have a drink when it started.
• 36:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: This time it wasn't a sound, it wasn't a feeling.
• 36:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: This time it was a smell.
• 36:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: They said that she could smell the undeniable scent of freshly turned dirt.
• 36:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: Just the smell of earth was overwhelming.
• 36:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: And as she was smelling it, it quickly changed into what she described as a smell of burning leaves.
• 36:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: Once the second scent filled her nostrils, everything changed.
• 36:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: She said she was still in the park on the bench, but it was different.
• 36:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: Her friends were gone.
• 36:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: She described it as if almost a veil had been laid out like on the world.
• 36:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: The colors of the grass and the trees were deeper.
• 36:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: The shadows that the tree trees cast were longer and exaggerated and there was no sound at all.
• 36:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: It was completely silent.
• 36:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: She said it was like someone to just turn down her reality.
• 36:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: Didn't turn it off because she wasn't somewhere that she didn't know.
• 36:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: She was still in the park.
• 36:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: But it was just like her world to been tuned out a little bit.
• 36:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: Almost as if two realities are kind of falling on top of one another.
• 37:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's when she saw him is white face.
• 37:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: His tall frame stood just a few yards from her own one of the paths in the park.
• 37:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: But this time Sam was not alone.
• 37:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: Sam had mentioned earlier that there were others like him.
• 37:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: This time Faye got to see them.
• 37:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: Behind Sam stood multiple other entities.
• 37:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: Faye had a hard time making out the details of them.
• 37:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: She could tell that they were similar in size and they both wore the weird patchwork clothing the Sam had worn.
• 37:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: She said they were hard to look at, almost like her eyes couldn't focus in on them.
• 37:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: She said some of them seemed to shimmer in the way that the air was kind of shimmering when she met Sammy Urgo like the electricity.
• 37:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: She could also hear them talking kind of, except that they weren't speaking any language she could understand.
• 37:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: She described it as them just chattering to one another back and forth.
• 37:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: which is creepy, just hearing them go and back and forth to one another.
• 38:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: That is creepy.
• 38:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: But what that being said in your current descriptions, we got to make sure that my episodes next.
• 38:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: Deal, deal.
• 38:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: because it and definitely plays into my episode, ironically enough.
• 38:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's weird how that worked out.
• 38:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: It shouldn't, it shouldn't make sense at all, but actually it makes, like there are enough puzzle pieces there for you to go with a fuck.
• 38:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm excited.
• 38:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's definitely strange.
• 38:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: The way you describe it all,
• 38:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: It shouldn't.
• 38:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: It shouldn't wake up at all.
• 38:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: Things have a way of doing that with us.
• 38:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's especially like just even the subject matter of Sam.
• 39:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: If I were to lay my entity out next to Sam, he was like, there's no fucking way.
• 39:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's not possible.
• 39:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: I love it.
• 39:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: They're ready, Holocaust, because we are, we're going to need to make some, can we?
• 39:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's going to be weird.
• 39:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yes.
• 39:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: Again, she said they weren't speaking any language that she could understand.
• 39:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: She described it as chattering to one another.
• 39:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: It was also distorted and hard to hear.
• 39:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: She said it was almost as if you were trying to listen to someone speak while you were under water.
• 39:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: She referred to it as language without meaning, which I assume is just that she didn't know what they were talking about.
• 39:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, as I say, that's a very weird description.
• 39:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 39:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: She then noticed something else.
• 39:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: Along the path along the trail and the park, these tall lighted shapes began to appear, almost like doorways.
• 39:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: They were tall enough for Sam and the other entities to easily pass through them.
• 39:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: At this point, Sam approached her, not in his normal jerky puppet hopping motion, but one smooth fluid motion, almost as if to not startle her.
• 40:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: He said, he said, I'm glad you're here.
• 40:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: You're doing well.
• 40:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: Fay again fell overwhelmed and didn't speak much with good reason.
• 40:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: Considering she may have just stepped into an altar and dimension, but Sam wasn't bothered by this.
• 40:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: And he decided to guide her along the path as she moved past these doorways.
• 40:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: She noted that each of them had a very unique feel about them, like their own energy radiating off a wall of them.
• 40:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: As she passed them, she would glance beyond the doorways.
• 40:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: Each one of them looked like a lead somewhere different.
• 40:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: One had a bright green or beyond it, almost like a lush green planet.
• 40:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: Another had what looked like stars in a black and sky.
• 40:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: One just shimmered like the other entities did, almost like it was just irradiating electricity.
• 40:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: Each door showed her something different, although she couldn't remember them all.
• 40:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: She really just spoke of how each of them made her feel.
• 41:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: She said some felt joyous and felt kind and welcoming like there was just peace beyond the doorway.
• 41:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: Others she said felt cold and empty.
• 41:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: There were some that felt threatening, but the one that stood out to her as she looked, she could see Europe from above.
• 41:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: She said that there were no borders, no barbed wire fences, nothing.
• 41:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: It was all just what just Europe unified.
• 41:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: Sam then chimed in and told her that her world would not end in her lifetime.
• 41:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: There would be no nuclear war in her lifetime.
• 41:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: And Europe wouldn't be split for long.
• 41:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: given the time that this happened in the early eighties, the Cold War rampant up.
• 41:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: It was almost as if Sam had knew like she had these concerns in her head and he was like easing them as she was going through.
• 41:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: Sam then told her that this is the second visit.
• 41:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: If you want, I will visit you four times.
• 41:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: She immediately began to question him, why her?
• 42:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: Why was she chosen to be visited?
• 42:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: Why did he keep coming back to her?
• 42:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: Sam just nodded and immediately she was back in the park with her friends.
• 42:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: There was no odd smell, no weird noises.
• 42:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: She was just back on the park bench with her friends.
• 42:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: They were there drinking and laughing.
• 42:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: She'd asked how long she'd been gone and they just looked at her like she was crazy.
• 42:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: To her, she'd been gone with Sam for quite a while, but to them, she never left at all.
• 42:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: She was just still interacting with them, which I made a little note there.
• 42:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like you hear stories about abductions, not being physical abductions, just being consciousness abductions.
• 42:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: That feels very much like what this is.
• 42:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: Which is terrifying.
• 42:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 42:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: You're going to be you're going to be more fucked up next week.
• 42:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: Because everything you're saying ties right into my episode.
• 43:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: Everything.
• 43:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's what I said here and think about it and everything that you're describing where where remind me again.
• 43:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: They met.
• 43:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: She was in a park they came from the woods, right?
• 43:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 43:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
• 43:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 43:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: I need to clarify.
• 43:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 43:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm taking notes.
• 43:22
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm trying to write down these notes for to remember the connections for when we do it my episode because it's fucked, man.
• 43:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's it's it's it's it's really fucked, but it does your right.
• 43:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: It does.
• 43:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not going to take that away.
• 43:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: It does have a lot of markers.
• 43:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: with alien abduction.
• 43:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: Lots of markers.
• 43:44
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's crazy to me to think that
• 43:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: you can be abducted consciously.
• 43:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: And you could still exist physically here.
• 43:53
  [SPEAKER_00]: And the people you're around don't won't even realize it.
• 43:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like, almost like they control your body to make it look like you're not, like you're not gone.
• 44:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like you're just just right in, laughing along, smoking cigarettes, drinking wine, hanging out with your friends when inria, like consciously you're in a complete another dimension.
• 44:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's what I was gonna say is like, what if it's just more of like a conscious abduction?
• 44:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 44:15
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know,
• 44:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: You're not gone, but you are gone.
• 44:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, which is, which is almost like an asphalt projection.
• 44:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, exactly.
• 44:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: Which leads to like leads back to maybe the body's just a vessel, like, which is terrifying if they can abduct what makes you you and leave this here.
• 44:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: There's no way, like not that there's any way to kind of protect yourself from alien production, anyway, but there's no amount of locking yourself somewhere.
• 44:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: that will keep them from abducting your consciousness.
• 44:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, yeah, you're kind of SLL at that point.
• 44:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I don't know if there's a weird, it'd be a weird interface, but it's not impossible, you know, because you equate the human body to a computer, you know, it's, it's got to, like, I just feel like the ability to hijack your consciousness at the same time, almost have
• 45:16
  [SPEAKER_01]: the ability to control your body, like a remote control device.
• 45:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like I feel like that's more than plausible.
• 45:26
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 45:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 45:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, because they wouldn't have to do much, just make her there.
• 45:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: Because if she just drowned out, started staring at the fucking ground and drooling, everybody's going to be like, what the fuck?
• 45:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, which, but if they put her on like a form of autopilot,
• 45:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: Don't think different.
• 45:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: And somebody might be like, hey, what, you know, I mean, okay over there and yeah, I'm just I'm just thinking
• 45:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: If you look into some of the encounters of Dr. Carla Turner, the aliens would threaten the abductees if they weren't compliant to what they wanted them to do.
• 46:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: They'd say, like, we'll just send a double in your place or we'll send your body back and you won't, like, we'll just have something else fill your consciousness.
• 46:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like, you'll remain here, your body will go back.
• 46:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's fucked, which kind of kind of leans in this.
• 46:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: Hey, and that made me so fucking mad.
• 46:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: Be fucking a damn you.
• 46:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'll be so bad.
• 46:27
  [SPEAKER_01]: Cause I know the type of person I am.
• 46:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: And there would be a part of me.
• 46:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: Grimming to attack them.
• 46:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.
• 46:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like fuck this noise.
• 46:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: You're gonna threaten me like I ain't the one son.
• 46:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 46:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm not the one.
• 46:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: You picked the wrong one.
• 46:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: Even though realistically they didn't because they're they're going to fuck me up, but I know how I am in my head.
• 46:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: And I know that I'm going to try it through hands with superior, possibly ultra-dimensional beings.
• 46:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: And it's not going to farewell, but at the very, at the bare minimum, I would look, well, never mind.
• 47:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: They wouldn't even kill me instantly.
• 47:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: Oh, they would, they would just steal me, but send me back.
• 47:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: Exactly.
• 47:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like, what do you even do?
• 47:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like start fucking up your body so when they send it back, people would be like, well, what's wrong?
• 47:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: Why Steve missing an arm?
• 47:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: What happened, you know?
• 47:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: It does make you like, that's what that feels like that when she said that her friends didn't even notice her being different or didn't even notice her being gone.
• 47:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: Well, she wasn't gone.
• 47:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: She was there, but they didn't even notice it.
• 47:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: I immediately thought of a consciousness abduction, which
• 47:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: sucks.
• 47:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's not even, it's not even out of the realm to think that if they have the ability to essentially overlay dimensions on top of each other, who's to say that they didn't manipulate everybody else's reality on top of it.
• 47:58
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like she was gone, but they're visually seeing her there on on a loop, you know, per se.
• 48:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 48:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's crazy because we've talked about more than in one abduction scenario where it's I remember one I did I came up with the episode was called but where the kids were outside playing kickball in the in the neighborhood and the one guy gets abducted.
• 48:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, abduction of a scientist.
• 48:25
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, that's it and it was just You know as like everybody else didn't even know like they were just like crazy
• 48:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: terrifying and crazy.
• 48:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: It is terrifying.
• 48:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: I hope it's not a reality, but I feel like it's probably a reality.
• 48:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: Because we're getting there.
• 48:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: There are multiple multiple and kind of like multiple public counts of that that happening.
• 48:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, yeah.
• 48:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: Because they say that they can they can manipulate your perception of everything.
• 48:54
  [SPEAKER_01]: So yeah, I think that's I think that in a lot of cases,
• 49:00
  [SPEAKER_01]: that over the course of time people have overlooked that.
• 49:03
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, because like I said, our body, the way it functions, it functions like a computer.
• 49:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because the way it's explained to me is the way that we see is just electronic signals essentially from our eye to our brain.
• 49:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: And you can get in between that and hijacked that, which I would almost fucking guarantee you can.
• 49:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, the possibilities are endless.
• 49:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, we, yeah, that's a big flaw in in us if that's true.
• 49:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, just it means like hacking a computer, just hacking the hacking a body.
• 49:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, because that that that also falls back into the Carla Turner abduction scene reviewed like people would
• 49:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: They would, they would see the lady and white like that one guy got back in from out of his house.
• 49:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: This beautiful woman in the night gown was back in him, you know, come here.
• 49:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know, go, come down here and yeah, you can get what you want if you come over here.
• 50:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: He embraces her and all of a sudden he snaps out of it and it's this.
• 50:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: This crazy reptilian-looking thing that like gives me goosebumps.
• 50:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: I've called Marks on his back and there were other encounters where their dead loved ones were.
• 50:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: They were seeing their dead loved ones.
• 50:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: Encounters where they they saw Jesus.
• 50:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: Jesus was like, hey, go ahead and go with them.
• 50:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's okay.
• 50:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like, if you're if your whole life is based in based in faith in Christianity, are you going to question Jesus?
• 50:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: No, you're going to go in.
• 50:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, which is, it's crazy.
• 50:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: Anyway, we're getting back, get back on it.
• 50:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: The next encounter happened the following winter in
• 50:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: Fay had went to the town of Newport to visit her new boyfriend.
• 50:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: As she was walking to his house, she had a series of alleyways.
• 50:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: She had to take to navigate the town.
• 50:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: She was walking through one of the alley.
• 50:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: She suddenly felt the urge to take one that wasn't necessarily on her route to her boyfriend's house.
• 51:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: She just felt compelled to do so.
• 51:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: As she started down this alley, from behind the fence, came Sam.
• 51:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: This encounter is brief and very to the point.
• 51:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: He was different this time.
• 51:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: There was no weird atmospheric anomaly, no weird smells.
• 51:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: He was just there.
• 51:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: He was still really tall, still lanky.
• 51:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: But his skin looked much more human like this time.
• 51:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: He was also dressed in more human-esque clothes.
• 51:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like it didn't stand out his clown suit for lack of a better term.
• 51:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: It wasn't it.
• 51:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: He walked more normal now, not hopping, not using his jerky motions that he had in the past.
• 51:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: Even when he spoke this time, she said it was much more human, much easier to understand.
• 51:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: He looked fey in the face and told her that he didn't have a lot of time and that he's using one of his visits to do this for her.
• 51:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: Fey asked what he meant and he said, I know you're going to see the boy.
• 52:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: You shouldn't just turn around, just go home.
• 52:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: That is all, please.
• 52:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: Then he stepped back behind the fence and he disappeared.
• 52:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: So Fey heated Sam's warning and turned around and went back home.
• 52:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: The entire encounter she said lasted barely a minute and
• 52:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: The details beyond this were left out, Paul left him out for anonymity's sake, but apparently that evening that she was supposed to meet with her boyfriend, him and some of his friends were arrested because they had committed a robbery that night.
• 52:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: So essentially Sam was sort of protecting her from getting mixed up with all that shit.
• 52:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: Weird.
• 52:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: The next encounter, we're getting toward the end here.
• 52:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: Next encounter happened in
• 52:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: which is five years from the last one.
• 52:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: Sam had took a big hiatus.
• 52:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: She hadn't seen him.
• 52:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: The following in final visit from Sam took place in eighty nine.
• 52:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: Fay was an adult and newly married.
• 52:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: And she was getting ready to move to the main island with her new husband.
• 53:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: She was living with the friends still on the aisle of white.
• 53:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: And while their home was, there was had some renovations going on on their home that was finishing up.
• 53:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: One afternoon she decided to go for a walk and a nearby forest.
• 53:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: And she was out walking through a meadow.
• 53:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: Something grabbed her attention.
• 53:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: It was a hut.
• 53:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: Not the hut that she'd seen when she was a child, but this one looked like it was upgraded.
• 53:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: It was like a futuristic train carriage.
• 53:29
  [SPEAKER_00]: She said it was long and it was white and the roof was made of corrugated iron.
• 53:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: She said it looked brand new.
• 53:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: There wasn't a scuff on it.
• 53:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: Almost as if something had dropped it out of the sky from nowhere.
• 53:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: Then she saw him.
• 53:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: It was Sam again, and he looked very much the way he did in the first encounters.
• 53:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: White face, weird markings, all just the normal Sam stuff.
• 53:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: He then invited her in for tea, which she accepted.
• 53:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: Inside there was a table with some chairs.
• 53:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: On the table was a device that sorta looked like a tea kettle, but she said it also wasn't a tea kettle.
• 54:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: It didn't look like a normal tea kettle.
• 54:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: She could tell that's what it was, but it didn't look like any she had seen here.
• 54:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: She said the inside of the hut was illuminated, but she couldn't tell where the source of the light came from.
• 54:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: He then poured her a cup of tea into a tea cup that she said looked porcelain.
• 54:22
  [SPEAKER_00]: But when she took it in her hands, she said it was super light and pliable, like she could squeeze it.
• 54:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: And it would not crush, but like apply to her hands.
• 54:34
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, she said she couldn't tell what what the material was.
• 54:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: She said the tea smell of herbs, but she couldn't make out which they were.
• 54:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: She drank in anyway, so that she remembered it tasting sweet and it being very comforting.
• 54:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: She sat and spoke with Sam for quite some time, but like the other encounter, she had a hard time remembering the crux of the conversation.
• 54:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: She could remember bits and pieces, but just not the entirety of it.
• 54:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: She referred to this as soft forgetting.
• 55:02
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like she knew it happened, but she could not put the pieces together in her brain.
• 55:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: Girl, that's what we call programming.
• 55:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, that's what we call alien amnesia.
• 55:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: Because that instantly tells me that the conversation was like meant for a subconscious level, the altar her way of thinking.
• 55:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: I didn't think about that.
• 55:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: It has to be.
• 55:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: There's no other explanation for it because he's got purpose, right?
• 55:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: He tells you, I'm going to meet four times.
• 55:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: There's a purpose behind that.
• 55:38
  [SPEAKER_01]: You don't just do that for no reason, there's purpose.
• 55:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: And then there would be no reason, other than experimentation, you could throw that one in there.
• 55:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: Sure.
• 55:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: Outside of experimentation, why make someone forget a conversation?
• 55:52
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
• 55:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 55:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's just like, it is.
• 55:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's like a memory block, like people who get, people who get abducted don't remember it.
• 56:01
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think it's, yeah, to me, it just feels like a brainwashing technique.
• 56:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 56:06
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm going to make you want to wake us any any kind of loop it up with the tea.
• 56:12
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 56:13
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, making making her feel calm and and more accepting of situations and not to mention his his appearance alters as she ages, which makes sense.
• 56:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know what I mean?
• 56:29
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 56:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, she she's more and more accepting of things.
• 56:33
  [SPEAKER_01]: It just, it feels like as she ages, he becomes more relatable every time they meet.
• 56:39
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 56:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's, it's weird.
• 56:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: She said one thing that she did remember was that Sam told her that the Berlin wall would fall before the year was over, which it would come to do so.
• 56:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: That seemed to be very important to him as he brought it up before Europe or United and all this stuff.
• 56:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: As they spoke, Sam told her that he would only see her one more time and he said that would be at the end.
• 57:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: Faith went on to ask Sam where he was from and in true Sam form, he said he was from this place but different.
• 57:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: He took Fay outside and raised his hand as to waived to her goodbye as she left.
• 57:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: She made it a couple of yards away from the hut when she turned around to look to see if he was still there waving.
• 57:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: He was gone.
• 57:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: The hut was gone and that was the last time she saw him.
• 57:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: She knows that she'll see him again.
• 57:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: at the end, which I'm assuming is the end of her life, which is I think why she came forward to Paul.
• 57:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: She's getting older now and she's kind of like, no in that this might be getting closer to the end.
• 57:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's ominous.
• 57:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: That would be kind of disheartening.
• 57:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: You know, because especially if you're in like what you appear as semi-decent health and then you see him one day and you're like fuck.
• 58:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 58:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: She's not super old.
• 58:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: If she was seven and seventy three, it'd been born in sixty seven.
• 58:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: She's not super old.
• 58:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: She's yeah, but regardless, I mean, the fact you know.
• 58:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 58:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: He's like a harbinger of death.
• 58:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yes.
• 58:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: So I'm assuming that's why she kind of wanted to get this story out.
• 58:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: Paul has done a couple interviews with podcasts here recently.
• 58:24
  [SPEAKER_00]: He did one with AP strange and another with the podcast modern, modern fairy sightings.
• 58:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: If you want to go listen to those, check them out.
• 58:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: They're both on YouTube and he goes into detail about his interactions with Fay and more kind of on the Mr. Y UFO arc that has to do with it.
• 58:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: But to wrap it up here was kind of thinking about like, if this is a hoax to what end.
• 58:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: like the amount of effort you'd have to put in to the evidence, which would be the notebook.
• 59:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know, like Kyle said, just even making it waterlogged, it seems like a detail that most people would leave out.
• 59:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: And then to go even beyond that to obtain the letters back and forth from Mr. Y to before a
• 59:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: is is even beyond that, which essentially there's not really any financial gain for Fay.
• 59:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: She's not making any money from coming forward.
• 59:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: She's not like nothing is happening because she still wants to say an anonymous.
• 59:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: It says all just the pseudonym.
• 59:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 59:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's true.
• 59:47
  [SPEAKER_01]: And like Sam's one of those easily overlooked entities as anyways.
• 59:54
  [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah.
• 59:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: Like there's
• 59:56
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's mind-blowing that there are people that came forward trying to be here.
• 1:00:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: But that's people for you.
• 1:00:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 1:00:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: And people are like, well, maybe Paul's trying to capitalize on this weird one-off entity, which not a lot of people have heard of, you know?
• 1:00:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 1:00:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like, yeah, Paul's putting on these talks, which people will pay to see, but he is also saying that he is going to put them on YouTube for free.
• 1:00:25
  [SPEAKER_00]: So people can come and see them.
• 1:00:27
  [SPEAKER_00]: He also stated that if he writes a book on this, he's going to put a free PDF for people to download.
• 1:00:32
  [SPEAKER_00]: So he's not like raking in cash, you know?
• 1:00:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't think that he would anyways.
• 1:00:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: No, I think it's two, I think it's two one off.
• 1:00:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's definitely two one off.
• 1:00:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: You have a little cult following for sure, but you're not going to tune.
• 1:00:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to set the world on fire.
• 1:00:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: No, no fucking way.
• 1:00:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: No way.
• 1:00:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: So it does.
• 1:00:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: I mean, it feels like.
• 1:00:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: Granted, you can't prove that the encounter happened.
• 1:01:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: But this does feel like it's legitimately the.
• 1:01:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: is from the original encounter, right?
• 1:01:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: You can't prove what you saw was real, but obviously she thinks that what she saw was real.
• 1:01:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 1:01:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: So there.
• 1:01:21
  [SPEAKER_01]: I do have a sneaking suspicion that her and Paul don't believe that this is an alien abduction.
• 1:01:35
  [SPEAKER_00]: No, that's good point.
• 1:01:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: Thank you for bringing that up.
• 1:01:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: I was going to write that down because she never once in all of her writings and all of her diaries and all of her interactions and interviews with Paul never once mentioned him mentioned Sam being an alien or mentioned to UFO.
• 1:01:52
  [SPEAKER_00]: Anytime that was brought up, it was from her father, Mr. Y. Yeah.
• 1:01:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: She never, she did say that she thought he was a ghost.
• 1:02:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: She brought that up multiple times, but she never won as like later on in life.
• 1:02:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, I get.
• 1:02:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: Or as a child.
• 1:02:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: No, both.
• 1:02:10
  [SPEAKER_00]: He said, even later on, she still believed that he was some sort of like from some sort of spirit realm.
• 1:02:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: I mean, I guess it still falls in my theory.
• 1:02:20
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think they think it's kind of obvious.
• 1:02:26
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think they think it's the Bay.
• 1:02:30
  [SPEAKER_00]: which is interesting because Paul is a big UK folklorist, which that's steeped.
• 1:02:39
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's large over there.
• 1:02:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 1:02:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: They just went on a podcast.
• 1:02:44
  [SPEAKER_01]: Well, I was a cold.
• 1:02:45
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, modern fairy sightings.
• 1:02:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: There you go.
• 1:02:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: And if you, it's a bare minimum.
• 1:02:51
  [SPEAKER_01]: He thinks it's fair.
• 1:02:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, guaranteed.
• 1:02:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: One of them, one of them's leaning toward faith, not to mention probably him because of the, the, the pseudonym name that he, or what, you know, the fake name that he gave her.
• 1:03:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: Well, that was given to her from the original before a, before a encounter from seven, eight.
• 1:03:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, really?
• 1:03:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: And then they gave her.
• 1:03:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 1:03:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: Okay.
• 1:03:21
  [SPEAKER_00]: Either way, I just kind of feel like somebody in the story is leaning more towards say, which he did come, he did come forward and say that since he has started talking about a phase
• 1:03:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: follow up in counters.
• 1:03:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: People have been reaching out to him, not with more encounters of Sam, but with similar encounters with beings that kind of feel the same.
• 1:03:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: He hasn't as far as I know went on to publish any of it, but he may be talking about it in his talks.
• 1:03:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think he's got one coming up in November on the aisle of white for anyone's in the UK that can make it there to check it out.
• 1:04:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: I wish.
• 1:04:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: I wish.
• 1:04:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: I wish I could go.
• 1:04:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: He said that he would post it up on YouTube.
• 1:04:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: So if I can find it, first I want to shout out YouTube channel, the tape library.
• 1:04:19
  [SPEAKER_00]: They were the first ones that I found talking anything about Sam when I did the first the first episode.
• 1:04:26
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I just saw that they had released this a few days ago, probably ten or so days ago.
• 1:04:31
  [SPEAKER_00]: So I was I was riding it.
• 1:04:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: So it'd be interesting to talk to.
• 1:04:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, he would probably, I assume he would probably do a show.
• 1:04:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think that he would be, I think, I think you'd be an interesting adult too.
• 1:04:47
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
• 1:04:48
  [SPEAKER_00]: It would be cool to hear it from his perspective.
• 1:04:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, especially like getting to handle the nope.
• 1:04:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: Do you, how fucking cool would that be?
• 1:04:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: It also have Sam's notebook.
• 1:04:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: It'd be awesome.
• 1:05:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm gonna just offer my entire life savings, which is about fourteen bucks.
• 1:05:07
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'd go for it.
• 1:05:08
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 1:05:09
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'd just put it in a box and hang it on the wall.
• 1:05:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah.
• 1:05:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: I would write in it to see if Sam would come.
• 1:05:14
  [SPEAKER_01]: I feel like he just gets pissed.
• 1:05:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: He's like, what the fuck?
• 1:05:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: Stop writing in my book.
• 1:05:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: He pulled out his wand and just created a bunch of, yeah, the flute.
• 1:05:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: One thing is very fake like writing in the air and making things like, yeah, I feel like I feel like somebody in that story is lean and fake.
• 1:05:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's bizarre.
• 1:05:36
  [SPEAKER_01]: I just don't, I'll get.
• 1:05:37
  [SPEAKER_01]: I see a lot of the connection that would, the thing that tells me off is the hut.
• 1:05:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: And there's probably something in faith, folklore that aligns with it, that I just, there are fairy houses and shit.
• 1:05:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: Why are they, why in this one, do they look tin?
• 1:05:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: I've never heard tin or metal hut or whatever the fucking descriptive word was.
• 1:05:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
• 1:06:00
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's interesting.
• 1:06:02
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's interesting.
• 1:06:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: Hmm.
• 1:06:05
  [SPEAKER_00]: I don't know.
• 1:06:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: But there you have it, Hall of Cult.
• 1:06:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: Follow up to an episode.
• 1:06:11
  [SPEAKER_00]: I never thought there'd be a follow-up, too.
• 1:06:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: I know it was a favorite of something I think.
• 1:06:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: I think JJ was all about it, so it should be excited to get to hear this and kind of get some more Sam in her life.
• 1:06:24
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I'd be interesting for her in the Hall of Cult.
• 1:06:28
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm ready for my episode to spit venom because it's gonna be good.
• 1:06:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: I can't wait.
• 1:06:34
  [SPEAKER_01]: It's going to be, if I can remember everything, it's going to, because I'm going to spit, then I'm in a lot of ways.
• 1:06:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: Good.
• 1:06:43
  [SPEAKER_01]: It'll be a lot of shit and then people's Cheerios.
• 1:06:49
  [SPEAKER_01]: Good.
• 1:06:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, we are good sometimes.
• 1:06:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 1:06:55
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think I know now hearing this and
• 1:06:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: Uh, recall in some other podcasts that I've, I've dabbled on.
• 1:07:04
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think for sure, people have heard about what I, what I found.
• 1:07:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: But I think people are twisting them to their narratives is what's happening.
• 1:07:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: Oh, people don't do that.
• 1:07:17
  [SPEAKER_01]: Right.
• 1:07:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: Right.
• 1:07:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: I'm taking it for what it is and what I directly read.
• 1:07:23
  [SPEAKER_01]: But I a hundred percent I can fucking promise you that there are people that have like take it in was it's their narrative because that like John Kiel was was fully in the ultra terrestrial camp.
• 1:07:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: He said they don't need to come from outer space.
• 1:07:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: There are already here.
• 1:07:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, which yeah, and I think I think for what I think there's a high probability.
• 1:07:48
  [SPEAKER_01]: that the my entity and Sam are probably in that category.
• 1:07:56
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's terrifying.
• 1:07:58
  [SPEAKER_00]: Like the visuals I had of these things just to like essentially manifesting doors to dimensions that they just pass in and out of very much like monsters ink through the closet.
• 1:08:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: Ah, yeah, good call, good call.
• 1:08:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: Which is like a soft disclosure, right?
• 1:08:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, yeah, sure, sure.
• 1:08:17
  [SPEAKER_00]: Just can move in and out and just like nothing.
• 1:08:20
  [SPEAKER_00]: And it was also weird to me that like when he was in our dimension, almost like he wasn't used to to the gravity or to the way our physics worked, which is why he moved all, but when she kind of fell into his realm, he moved, she said he just moved smooth, just like he was gliding along.
• 1:08:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: It is weird is weird.
• 1:08:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's strange.
• 1:08:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: It is strange.
• 1:08:41
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think
• 1:08:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: I think this is an interesting episode.
• 1:08:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: Next is going to be interesting.
• 1:08:46
  [SPEAKER_01]: A tie-in's going to be cool.
• 1:08:50
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't know.
• 1:08:52
  [SPEAKER_01]: I don't want to ignore.
• 1:08:53
  [SPEAKER_01]: In my heart of hearts, I always want to lean alien.
• 1:08:59
  [SPEAKER_01]: But man, there are a lot of fucking tells that suggest this is not extraterrestrial.
• 1:09:05
  [SPEAKER_01]: This is more in that the UD can't do ultra-dimensional.
• 1:09:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: I really, like, I really am leaning that way.
• 1:09:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: I fucking love it.
• 1:09:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: I can't wait.
• 1:09:18
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm so stoked.
• 1:09:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, it's, it's, it's, it's fucking bizarre that your fam, the clown falls in the realm of what I got cooking.
• 1:09:28
  [SPEAKER_00]: The, the crazy, the crazy thing is, is that I didn't decide to write this.
• 1:09:33
  [SPEAKER_00]: I didn't even think about this until last night.
• 1:09:40
  [SPEAKER_01]: That's weird, which is weird.
• 1:09:42
  [SPEAKER_01]: Because I didn't just settle, I settle a mind like maybe Sunday, Monday.
• 1:09:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: I know that's not true.
• 1:09:51
  [SPEAKER_00]: I saw that the YouTube video had dropped a week ago.
• 1:09:54
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm like, oh, I got it.
• 1:09:55
  [SPEAKER_00]: I'm going to touch back on this.
• 1:09:57
  [SPEAKER_00]: And then I had something else I was going to write about.
• 1:10:01
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm like, all right, I'm just going to chime into this.
• 1:10:03
  [SPEAKER_00]: And then he started like recapping the encounter and shit.
• 1:10:06
  [SPEAKER_00]: And I'm like, God, that's so weird.
• 1:10:08
  [SPEAKER_00]: I just got to dive into this weird.
• 1:10:10
  [SPEAKER_01]: So, yes.
• 1:10:11
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, I didn't, I didn't settle on mine until Sunday.
• 1:10:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: That's awesome.
• 1:10:14
  [SPEAKER_00]: That happens.
• 1:10:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: What's a lot though?
• 1:10:16
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's very, very synchronic.
• 1:10:18
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 1:10:19
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah, because me and Sean are dead a bunch of shit Saturday and then Sunday, I'm like, I'm gonna get this poppin' and then I, like I said, I started on a book, went down.
• 1:10:30
  [SPEAKER_01]: I was going down all the way around, but hopefully then I fell into this one and I might go, fuck, that's cool.
• 1:10:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: I love it.
• 1:10:35
  [SPEAKER_01]: I love it.
• 1:10:36
  [SPEAKER_00]: All right, Holocaust.
• 1:10:37
  [SPEAKER_00]: We're gonna wrap it up there.
• 1:10:38
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's getting late.
• 1:10:40
  [SPEAKER_00]: Let me know your thoughts.
• 1:10:41
  [SPEAKER_00]: Let me know your thoughts.
• 1:10:42
  [SPEAKER_00]: Go back and revisit Sam.
• 1:10:43
  [SPEAKER_00]: What I say, episode one, fifty two.
• 1:10:45
  [SPEAKER_01]: Yeah.
• 1:10:46
  [SPEAKER_00]: Go back and check it.
• 1:10:47
  [SPEAKER_00]: Come back here.
• 1:10:49
  [SPEAKER_00]: It's interesting.
• 1:10:50
  [SPEAKER_00]: Again, I'll post the original link to the PDF probably in the Patreon or all of you there.
• 1:10:59
  [SPEAKER_00]: You can search it up yourself if you have the time to want to do it.
• 1:11:04
  [SPEAKER_00]: Yeah, the return of Sam the sand down clown.
• 1:11:07
  [SPEAKER_00]: Thanks for hanging out with us today.
• 1:11:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: Thanks for kicking it.
• 1:11:09
  [SPEAKER_00]: Hope everybody has a good work week and until we meet again.
• 1:11:12
  [SPEAKER_00]: Stay safe.
• 1:11:13
  [SPEAKER_00]: Stay weird.
• 1:11:15
  [SPEAKER_00]: And just don't don't drink tea from ultra to ultra dimensional beings, ultra terrestrials.
• 1:11:23
  [SPEAKER_00]: You know what I mean?