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FridAI - First Draft Software · Business Brain – The Entrepreneurs’ Podcast

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  Dave Hamilton: Business Brain, episode 785 for Casual Friday. I September 4th.
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  Dave Hamilton: Oh, I don't know what September 4th is. Shannon, we're going to have to figure this out on the fly here.
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  Shannon Jean: Official Business Brain podcast day.
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  Dave Hamilton: It might be. Let's see. I'm looking here now.
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  Dave Hamilton: Bring your manners to work day, 2026. I think that's important.
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  Dave Hamilton: That's kind of what we were talking about in the last episode.
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  Dave Hamilton: That's true. That's true.
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  Shannon Jean: Yes, yes, yes.
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  Dave Hamilton: Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's great. Manners are important. It's amazing what a please
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  Dave Hamilton: and thank you can buy. Oh, totally, dude. And what's really fascinating to me is,
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  Dave Hamilton: In the last, on Wednesday's episode, we were talking about the value of saying,
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  Dave Hamilton: I need help, but also the sort of internal reaction to, I need help,
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  Dave Hamilton: which is a negative thing, right? You brought that up, which I love.
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  Dave Hamilton: The whole, and this is, that actually makes sense to me that,
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  Dave Hamilton: you know, we perceive saying that the way we do, and yet other people perceive it differently.
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  Dave Hamilton: The part that doesn't make sense to me and yet it it's clearly makes sense to,
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  Dave Hamilton: uh a lot of people out there is that saying please or thank you is also a sign of weakness,
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  Dave Hamilton: i don't disagree with this at all no and i don't experience it either it costs
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  Dave Hamilton: nothing to say please or thank you no.
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  Shannon Jean: Way compliment and and then and giving out compliments huge you know just being
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  Shannon Jean: being be human i think I think it's great. It's a good day to do it.
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  Dave Hamilton: Yep. Greetings and welcome to Business Brain. We are the show where we take
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  Dave Hamilton: some ideas like this and we crunch them, we dissect them.
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  Dave Hamilton: We use them to tune our business brain so that we can each keep on living the
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  Dave Hamilton: and family plans. We'll talk more about those in a little bit.
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  Dave Hamilton: But for now, here in Durham, New Hampshire, I'm Dave Hamilton.
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  Shannon Jean: And I'm Shannon Jean out here in Northern California.
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  Dave Hamilton: Yeah, man.
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  Shannon Jean: How's it going? Happy Friday.
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  Dave Hamilton: Happy Friday. I have a concept that I want us all to try and wrap our heads
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  Dave Hamilton: around. And I say this to me as much as any of us.
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  Dave Hamilton: And the concept is it's something that I'll call first draft software.
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  Dave Hamilton: And what I mean by this is in,
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  Dave Hamilton: Up until very recently, and I mean, you know, the last year or so,
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  Dave Hamilton: right, is probably where the tipping point of this started.
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  Dave Hamilton: If you needed software for your business, it was a major undertaking.
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  Dave Hamilton: And it might still be a major undertaking. I don't want to say that it's not
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  Dave Hamilton: going to me. However, what the process looked like was a lengthy period where
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  Dave Hamilton: you defined exactly what you wanted.
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  Shannon Jean: So you're saying custom software.
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  Dave Hamilton: Custom software for your business, which happens all the time, right? Yes. Yep.
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  Shannon Jean: Oh, I've done it. It's brutal.
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  Dave Hamilton: It's brutal. Well, it was brutal. It used to be brutal. Yeah,
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  Dave Hamilton: but I think it still is. I think it's evolving, but we'll get to that.
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  Dave Hamilton: So the process used to be this brutal process, and I agree with that assessment,
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  Dave Hamilton: where you would spend weeks, maybe months, defining the scope.
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  Dave Hamilton: Once you found a vendor that you liked, you would then pay them some money and
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  Dave Hamilton: and define a scope of exactly what they were going to create.
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  Dave Hamilton: And you would refine that scope and you would like it was it was the most important
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  Dave Hamilton: part of the project because once you sort of cemented the scope,
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  Dave Hamilton: then they went and started building.
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  Dave Hamilton: And sure there might be like room for some little tweaks along like once they've
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  Dave Hamilton: got a you know the first version for you but like,
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  Dave Hamilton: not many without great without additional great expense.
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  Shannon Jean: Yeah yeah change orders and adjustments
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  Dave Hamilton: And yeah and and i understood i mean i was i was in that business for a while
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  Dave Hamilton: and i've been on both sides of it like i understand exactly why that's how it had to be because,
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  Dave Hamilton: like writing software takes a lot of time and architecting things takes a lot of time.
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  Dave Hamilton: It was, you know, literally manual effort. Well,
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  Dave Hamilton: We no longer live in a world where software is developed that way.
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  Dave Hamilton: What the world we live in is the world of vibe coding.
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  Dave Hamilton: And especially like certainly when you are creating something,
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  Dave Hamilton: it takes a great deal, a larger deal of effort than it does to completely change
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  Dave Hamilton: something that already exists.
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  Dave Hamilton: Because once you've got it built, now you have, what do we say?
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  Dave Hamilton: Context, right? The AI has context. Go look at this.
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  Dave Hamilton: Change it entirely to do this other thing.
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  Shannon Jean: Add this feature, add to change this, right?
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  Dave Hamilton: Or change it, you know, I want to add this feature, but I think what that means
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  Dave Hamilton: is that the complete plumbing of how we did this was wrong, and I want to change
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  Dave Hamilton: that. And it's like, got you boss, and off it goes. Right? And so,
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  Dave Hamilton: This idea, and a friend of mine is going through this right now.
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  Dave Hamilton: He told me, you know, he's building this software. He's told me about this thing.
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  Dave Hamilton: He's like, oh, we're going through this process, and they're going to have it
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  Dave Hamilton: ready for me by December 1st.
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  Dave Hamilton: We're in August right now, folks. And I'm like, December 1st? What?
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  Dave Hamilton: That doesn't, what? It should be September 1st that they have it ready for you.
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  Dave Hamilton: Like, this is a week for anything. It's a week just to get the,
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  Dave Hamilton: first draft in front of you so that you can you don't have to think about it
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  Dave Hamilton: you get to see it and touch it and play with it and it's not mock-ups it's the real freaking thing,
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  Dave Hamilton: and you say all right well it might still like he was going to pay 50 grand
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  Dave Hamilton: for this and that might be the right price like even with what we're talking
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  Dave Hamilton: about here because you need somebody that okay you need a team that understands
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  Dave Hamilton: sure how to leverage the the tools and do the thing with them even though,
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  Dave Hamilton: the process is more efficient it doesn't mean the value is less it might over time,
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  Dave Hamilton: dilute the value we'll find out Right.
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  Dave Hamilton: But but it's like you're paying 50 grand and you're waiting until December to
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  Dave Hamilton: see it for the first time.
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  Shannon Jean: And then you're going to want to make a bunch of changes.
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  Dave Hamilton: And again, he's like, you've waited months. That gives us a month to get it
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  Dave Hamilton: right. And all our data migrated when our our our current solution expires on
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  Dave Hamilton: January 1st. I'm like a month. And that month is December.
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  Dave Hamilton: Yeah. No, man.
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  Shannon Jean: No, no way, dude.
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  Dave Hamilton: Dude this is there's so many red flags to me in this but it's like none of it
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  Dave Hamilton: needs to happen i'm like you,
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  Dave Hamilton: when when are you meeting with your vendor he's like uh wednesday i'm like great
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  Dave Hamilton: ask them why december 1st you you said you've got the scope the scope is pretty much done,
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  Dave Hamilton: also probably a waste of time because really you want to scope it as you go
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  Dave Hamilton: but fine you gotta have somewhere to start so yeah stop stop the scoping build,
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  Dave Hamilton: then keep scoping after it's built.
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  Shannon Jean: Yeah, I think the key point is having done this, where I've spent a year building
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  Shannon Jean: this, quote, perfect app. This was a long time ago.
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  Dave Hamilton: Forgive my laughter.
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  Shannon Jean: I still have PTSD.
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  Dave Hamilton: Right, of course you do.
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  Shannon Jean: Because on day one, you're like, oh, it's perfect, it's great.
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  Shannon Jean: But on day two, you're just like, well, what if it only could do this?
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  Shannon Jean: And let's add this. And then you had to go back to your developer and they would
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  Shannon Jean: say, oh, well. Well, in order for this to happen, you have to,
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  Shannon Jean: like you said, re-plumb this whole other thing. And they're not wrong,
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  Dave Hamilton: Right? No. But like the AI is so good at the re-plumbing.
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  Shannon Jean: Now it's like, let me rewrite this whole thing for you, Shannon,
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  Shannon Jean: and I'll add that feature.
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  Dave Hamilton: I built an app last week on Wednesday night specifically. I built an app.
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  Dave Hamilton: No, Tuesday night, sorry.
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  Dave Hamilton: But it doesn't matter. Took three hours. It was an app that basically makes
• 8:03
  Dave Hamilton: Apple Mail completely usable for me.
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  Dave Hamilton: Whereas prior to that it doesn't dude um yeah i'll put a link i'll put a link
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  Dave Hamilton: in the in the show notes uh,
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  Dave Hamilton: for the app that i developed it's public it's called autograph i needed an app
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  Dave Hamilton: that could assign signatures based on aliases it's a whole thing but it doesn't
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  Dave Hamilton: matter that was my need if it's yours please download it and use it and if you
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  Dave Hamilton: want a feature submit one you know submit,
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  Dave Hamilton: a bug report or a pull request i don't care uh,
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  Dave Hamilton: you know i built this for me but if somebody else benefits great,
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  Dave Hamilton: I built that on Wednesday, on Tuesday night, all day Wednesday and every day since I have used it.
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  Dave Hamilton: And it's been like I'm back in the Apple mail fold. It's wonderful.
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  Shannon Jean: Nice.
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  Dave Hamilton: Last night, I thought, OK, there's more features that I want to add.
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  Dave Hamilton: Like, but we're at a point where this thing is doing the thing like it's I had
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  Dave Hamilton: the idea while we were ordering takeout on Tuesday. And before I went to bed,
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  Dave Hamilton: the app existed and doing the thing.
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  Dave Hamilton: And and so last night i fired up another agent shannon and i said to it hey
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  Dave Hamilton: uh now that i built this app take a look at the the repo that you know which
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  Dave Hamilton: is where all the source code is the repository and uh,
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  Dave Hamilton: i you know just just like go through it and and sanity test it find the the
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  Dave Hamilton: bugs that we've introduced that we don't know about it found like six things,
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  Dave Hamilton: and it's like that's great the way you're i the way you're doing this makes
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  Dave Hamilton: sense it's the only way you can do it but the plumbing underneath we got to
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  Dave Hamilton: change that and i was like giddy up go,
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  Dave Hamilton: i didn't care i was watching tv doesn't matter,
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  Dave Hamilton: and now and now i'm now it's it's it this is the world we live in don't let
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  Dave Hamilton: anybody tell you differently that's yeah first.
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  Shannon Jean: Draft software uh minimal viable product whatever it
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  Dave Hamilton: Is that you can get your hands exactly.
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  Shannon Jean: Get your hands on because you know you're going change a bunch of stuff so you don't wait
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  Dave Hamilton: Around explain less yeah build faster yes love it that's great yep uh we have
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  Dave Hamilton: All right, Shannon, you got some AI software here?
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  Shannon Jean: I have a quick tip. So I run a bunch of Slack workspaces for various businesses.
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  Shannon Jean: We run one for this business.
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  Shannon Jean: And I have one of my workspaces I have clawed in because I need to have access
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  Shannon Jean: to a bunch of people, a bunch of data. I need to be able to query it, all that kind of stuff.
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  Shannon Jean: So imagine my surprise when I went to clawed and said, hey, now I need to add this second workspace.
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  Shannon Jean: And it said, well, the Slack MCP only allows you to connect to one workspace.
• 14:04
  Dave Hamilton: Oh, yes, it does. That's right.
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  Shannon Jean: I'm like, well, that's ridiculous. How am I going to do this? It's dumb.
• 14:10
  Dave Hamilton: I agree.
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  Shannon Jean: It's dumb. It's dumb. So I did a little research, poked around,
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  Shannon Jean: and so I jumped into this, let's see, we'll call them a connector,
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  Shannon Jean: an integrator called Composio.
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  Shannon Jean: Okay. C-O-M-P-O-S-I-O dot dev, D-E-V.
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  Shannon Jean: And within about 90 seconds, I added my Slack account and every single workspace
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  Shannon Jean: I wanted to add to Claude.
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  Shannon Jean: I just checked the little button and I updated it. I added the Composio connector to Claude.
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  Dave Hamilton: Okay, so you connect to Composio. Composio connects out to Slack on your behalf.
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  Shannon Jean: It connects to hundreds and hundreds of different services.
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  Shannon Jean: And once I connected, I just, boom. And now when I'm in Claude,
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  Shannon Jean: I just say, you know, go, I need to get this information from this workspace.
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  Shannon Jean: Here's what I'm going to pull out. And it sees everything. It's fantastic.
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  Dave Hamilton: What does that cost you to do that?
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  Shannon Jean: Zero.
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  Dave Hamilton: Zero?
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  Shannon Jean: Yeah, I haven't paid anything. I just started my account. Now,
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  Shannon Jean: usage limits, I don't know.
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  Dave Hamilton: Yeah, let's see. There's 100,000 tool calls a month, unlimited connections,
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  Dave Hamilton: and three team members. Okay, I see how they're making their money. Okay, that makes sense.
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  Shannon Jean: You got it? Yep. So they're... Pro is everything, and then you get a bunch...
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  Dave Hamilton: For us, they're free. Yep.
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  Shannon Jean: For us, they're free, because low users is free. Higher stuff, $29 a month.
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  Dave Hamilton: Makes sense.
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  Shannon Jean: Um, but it connects like to, uh, I mean, I can't even, but they had a thing
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  Shannon Jean: here and I was going to find
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  Dave Hamilton: While you're looking for that. I want to share how, you know,
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  Dave Hamilton: I said a couple of weeks ago, get out of chat, right?
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  Dave Hamilton: You want, you want your age, you want your AI to be your agent.
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  Dave Hamilton: And there's a variety of ways to do that.
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  Dave Hamilton: But I talked on Wednesday about my Freshdesk thing, right? Where I had to talk
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  Dave Hamilton: to them and tell them they owed us some money. Yeah.
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  Dave Hamilton: On the call, they said to me, well, you need to tell us this,
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  Dave Hamilton: that, and the other thing. I'm like, nope.
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  Dave Hamilton: You already have everything. You know all the dates. I've already explained it to you.
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  Dave Hamilton: You don't need – I'm not doing any more work. Yeah, yeah. Right.
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  Dave Hamilton: But as I got off the call, I thought, well, I really don't know the answers to any of these things.
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  Dave Hamilton: That's why I said that. I mean, I do, but I didn't have them in front of me.
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  Shannon Jean: Yeah.
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  Dave Hamilton: And so I asked Claude, I said, hey, connect to my email, which it's linked to.
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  Dave Hamilton: I use Fastmail and Fastmail has an MCP connector, just like what we're talking
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  Dave Hamilton: about with Composio here.
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  Dave Hamilton: I said, look at my Fastmail and find the date that this finally came live.
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  Dave Hamilton: And if there's any history that you can find, great. And like that was the prompt. I didn't go.
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  Dave Hamilton: Pretty good. And I said fresh desk, like, because obviously,
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  Dave Hamilton: you know, I needed to explain what the hell I was looking for.
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  Dave Hamilton: And immediately, Shannon, it didn't take five minutes. It barely took five seconds.
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  Dave Hamilton: And it was like, all right, here are the dates.
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  Dave Hamilton: Now, they said it was, and I, you know, all the stuff that I articulated in
• 17:19
  Dave Hamilton: the last episode, it gave me all of that. And it's like, here's the price. I found your invoice.
• 17:24
  Dave Hamilton: Here's the thing. And it gave me some negotiating tactics. It's amazing. Yep.
• 17:29
  Dave Hamilton: That's great. So linking your AI, now there's permissions and you need to be
• 17:36
  Dave Hamilton: aware that you're doing this and sending your data to whoever you're sending it to.
• 17:40
  Shannon Jean: Yes, absolutely.
• 17:41
  Dave Hamilton: Eyes wide open. But when you do it, it's really hard to say no.
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  Shannon Jean: Man, I mean, Composio connects to everything. It connects to X.
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  Shannon Jean: It connects to any of your Google Docs, your Gmail.
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  Shannon Jean: If you need additional connectors, they connect a thousand plus apps they have
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  Shannon Jean: listed up there. so i think it's great if you've used it
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  Dave Hamilton: Before here's the thing when somebody builds something like this and it works,
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  Dave Hamilton: use it but if it doesn't exist or it doesn't work the way you want it to,
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  Dave Hamilton: make it you can make it and and this is where you know we the the term sas apocalypse
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  Dave Hamilton: comes around right like you know the the sas being the software as a service
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  Dave Hamilton: which is what composio yeah right,
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  Dave Hamilton: I don't think that there's, I don't think every SaaS company is just dead.
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  Dave Hamilton: I don't think the concept is dead.
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  Shannon Jean: No, I don't think so either.
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  Dave Hamilton: I think the concept of crappy SaaS where we are trapped by,
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  Dave Hamilton: adapting to the way someone else wants us to do it
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  Dave Hamilton: that's over but composio it and other companies like them if they solve a problem
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  Dave Hamilton: for you that says okay from you know here i am at 1201 p.m and i can't connect
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  Dave Hamilton: to all my slack workspaces,
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  Dave Hamilton: here i am at 1204 p.m and i can connect to all of them exactly the way that i want to,
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  Dave Hamilton: that that's where you're going to pay for a service Now I realize the service is free.
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  Shannon Jean: I'm happy to pay zero for this.
• 19:09
  Dave Hamilton: Yeah, I know. But like that's valuable. And customer service,
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  Dave Hamilton: because every business is in the customer service business.
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  Dave Hamilton: But I don't think the SaaSpocalypse means quite what people think it means.
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  Dave Hamilton: But it does mean that you can't just offer something crappy and expect customers to keep paying for it.
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  Shannon Jean: Oh, look at Salesforce, right? One of the most powerful SaaS in the world.
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  Shannon Jean: How they're now, we're going headless.
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  Shannon Jean: So you're going to be able to use us in anything. You don't have to use Salesforce.
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  Shannon Jean: They're, you know, they're changing.
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  Dave Hamilton: Yeah, because otherwise they're going to lose. They're getting ahead of it. Good for them.
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  Shannon Jean: Yeah, they're like, hey, all your data is here. That's it. You just put it in
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  Shannon Jean: whatever you want, and you can use it.
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  Dave Hamilton: If you don't have to come in to Salesforce.com to see your data,
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  Dave Hamilton: we're okay with that. That's right.
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  Shannon Jean: The power is the data,
• 20:00
  Dave Hamilton: Right? Yeah, and how it's managed and all of those things. Yep, exactly.
• 20:04
  Shannon Jean: So check it out, Composio.dev, D-E-V. Like I just went onto the X tool they have.
• 20:10
  Shannon Jean: There's 79 things you can do with X via Composio.
• 20:15
  Dave Hamilton: That's crazy, dude. Oh, yeah. It is crazy. I need this in my life.
• 20:19
  Dave Hamilton: Okay. No, this is great. This is great.
• 20:21
  Dave Hamilton: Check it out. One last quick thing from Patrick, who sent this into feedback
• 20:27
  Dave Hamilton: at businessbrain.show.
• 20:28
  Dave Hamilton: He says, I just listened to the
• 20:30
  Dave Hamilton: episode where you were talking about the note-taking tools for meetings.
• 20:36
  Dave Hamilton: My vote is memo AI, which is written by the same guy that writes note plan.
• 20:42
  Dave Hamilton: So it's at note plan.co slash memo. Of course, the link is in the show notes
• 20:46
  Dave Hamilton: at business brain dot show.
• 20:47
  Dave Hamilton: He says, I think it's 79 bucks annually and it lives on your Mac and iPhone.
• 20:51
  Dave Hamilton: It can listen to meetings without joining, or you can put your iPhone down and
• 20:57
  Dave Hamilton: record an in-person meeting too.
• 20:59
  Dave Hamilton: And he sent us a screenshot of like the when it's done it builds you a beautiful,
• 21:06
  Dave Hamilton: sort of meeting summary that i love it breaks it all down so memo ai and we've
• 21:11
  Dave Hamilton: got a link in the show notes thank you patrick that's great yeah.
• 21:14
  Shannon Jean: And this is perfect you know if you have uh apps services things you've used
• 21:18
  Shannon Jean: things you've built feedback at businessbrain.show or come find dave and i up
• 21:23
  Shannon Jean: on x just dave hamilton or shannon gene let us know we'd love to talk about it on the show
• 21:28
  Dave Hamilton: Absolutely What's the big takeaway from this episode, Shannon?
• 21:32
  Dave Hamilton: Is it first draft software?
• 21:33
  Shannon Jean: I think it's first draft software. I hate to give you two wins.
• 21:37
  Dave Hamilton: Wait, did I get a win? I thought you got a win last week.
• 21:40
  Shannon Jean: No, Wednesday. This Wednesday show, you got it. It's all right.
• 21:44
  Shannon Jean: It's all right, man. I love you. It's okay.
• 21:46
  Dave Hamilton: I love you too, buddy.
• 21:49
  Shannon Jean: So, yeah, I think it definitely is first draft software. And don't get trapped
• 21:53
  Shannon Jean: into this rigid system. Those days are gone.
• 21:57
  Dave Hamilton: Yep.
• 21:58
  Shannon Jean: And you can build something that works specifically for you.
• 22:01
  Shannon Jean: And you just keep modifying it, iterating on it, which is super powerful.
• 22:06
  Dave Hamilton: Yeah, I think it almost makes me think that I should go and register like firstdraftsoftware.com
• 22:11
  Dave Hamilton: or something if it doesn't exist because-
• 22:12
  Shannon Jean: I think you
• 22:13
  Dave Hamilton: Should. Like maybe that's a business. Yeah.
• 22:17
  Dave Hamilton: And literally market it that way. Like forget about this stupid path that you're on.
• 22:21
  Dave Hamilton: Just come and tell us, we know how to make the AI do what you want.
• 22:25
  Dave Hamilton: So pay us to be that translation layer. Love it.
• 22:30
  Shannon Jean: Well, there you go.
• 22:31
  Dave Hamilton: Huh huh ideas yes i love it so this takeaway what we do with it,
• 22:38
  Dave Hamilton: is we craft it using ai of course as our assistant,
• 22:42
  Dave Hamilton: into our business blueprint which fleshes it out to show you how you can apply
• 22:47
  Dave Hamilton: this in your business so go sign up
• 22:50
  Dave Hamilton: for our business blueprints at businessbrain.show slash blueprint and um,
• 22:55
  Dave Hamilton: thanks for hanging out keep living that charm life huh yeah.
• 22:59
  Shannon Jean: Have a great weekend and thanks for joining
• 23:01
  Dave Hamilton: Us what he said that's right see ya.