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VickTORIOUS B.I.G. Mistake: RHOC Reunion Pt. 1 Recap · Reality with The King

• 0:03
  Speaker 1: Raindrops. It's Friday, which means Alexis Jansen and I get
• 0:09
  Speaker 1: to talk about the Real Housewives of Orange County as
• 0:13
  Speaker 1: we get into part one reunion. But first thing first, Alexis,
• 0:18
  Speaker 1: you know, I follow you on Instagram, girlfriend, and I
• 0:21
  Speaker 1: saw you out and about last night. Some People Magazine
• 0:24
  Speaker 1: direct TV party. You have your Reality with the King
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  Speaker 1: merch that I finally got, Alexis. Okay. Okay.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, guys, I did get gifted this. I did not
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  Speaker 2: have to buy this one. So thank you, Carlos. I'm
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  Speaker 2: that important that you actually sent me a hat.
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  Speaker 3: I love you.
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  Speaker 2: Because I was about to buy some of that merch.
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  Speaker 3: I'm like, when am I getting my Carlos King sweatshirt? Guys,
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  Speaker 3: I got a hat, okay? It's not quite to the
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  Speaker 3: sweatshirt level yet, but I'm getting there. It's coming.
• 0:51
  Speaker 1: It's coming. We are out of stock, which is why Raindrops,
• 0:54
  Speaker 1: you got to get them while you can. And it
• 0:56
  Speaker 1: makes for a good Christmas holiday gift.
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  Speaker 3: So- And it's Ebony and Ivory. There we go.
• 1:03
  Speaker 1: Back in town, back in business. So you were out
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  Speaker 1: and about last night. What is going on, girl?
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  Speaker 3: It was so much fun, Carlos.
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  Speaker 2: When I first walked in the venue, I thought this
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  Speaker 2: is kind of a weird venue because it's the hideaway.
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  Speaker 3: So we had to go like upstairs, downstairs. The red
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  Speaker 3: carpet was over here.
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  Speaker 2: It was kind of like you were, it was very
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  Speaker 2: compartmentalized and it felt weird at first. And I was like,
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  Speaker 2: I was like, I don't know how this is going
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  Speaker 2: to work. And Galena flew in town, so I got
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  Speaker 2: to be with my girl. But it ended up being,
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  Speaker 2: it was so much fun. I mean, everybody was there.
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  Speaker 2: There was not a lot of housewives. I don't even
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  Speaker 2: think I ran into one.
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  Speaker 3: I'm trying to think. There was not one housewife there.
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  Speaker 2: It was all Dancing with the Stars, Traitors, all the other,
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  Speaker 2: Love Island, all the other reality shows.
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  Speaker 1: I thought you would take a picture of Carmela, though.
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  Speaker 3: Oh, there was a housewife. Yes, you're right.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, my God.
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  Speaker 2: How can I forget the biggest housewife of all? Carlos,
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  Speaker 2: I have been redeemed. I have a new, my head
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  Speaker 2: is big. If you can't tell, it's bigger today.
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  Speaker 3: She apologized, Carlos.
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  Speaker 2: Who?
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  Speaker 3: Carmela.
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  Speaker 1: Give me. I love her.
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  Speaker 3: No, I love her.
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  Speaker 1: So, no, get this. Okay, let me.
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  Speaker 3: What happened?
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  Speaker 1: Tell me.
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  Speaker 2: I don't think she'll mind because I don't like to
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  Speaker 2: talk a lot about stuff that happens on the pod
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  Speaker 2: when it's like kind of a private moment with someone,
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  Speaker 2: but I don't think she'll care about this.
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  Speaker 3: So I'm going to tell.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, so I'm walking by and I just kind of
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  Speaker 2: smile and give her like a hi, you know, and
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, she hates me.
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  Speaker 3: So I'm going to decide that there are no invites
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  Speaker 3: for us.
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  Speaker 1: Before you continue, give the raindrops, just in case they
• 2:28
  Speaker 1: don't know, of the backstory in terms of the theme
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  Speaker 1: between you and Carmella.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, so here's where I felt and why I only
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  Speaker 2: smiled and kind of gave her a little like a,
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  Speaker 2: like a, oh, she hates me kind of thing. Because
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  Speaker 2: you and I have been podcasting and I never have
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  Speaker 2: met her in my life.
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  Speaker 3: Do not know who she is. I'm only podcasting with.
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  Speaker 2: You about the experience I'm having and feeling from what
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  Speaker 2: she is on the show.
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  Speaker 3: And I think she's fabulous. And you and I have
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  Speaker 3: done nothing but toot her horn. Okay.
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  Speaker 2: So at the part, but then on the pod over
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  Speaker 2: the past season, we're at the end of the season.
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  Speaker 2: Now she has probably thrown like four bad digs towards me,
• 3:00
  Speaker 2: not knowing me. And you even said, you even said, Alexis,
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  Speaker 2: she doesn't know you. This is before she heard you
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  Speaker 2: on the pod. She's got other people in her ear.
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  Speaker 3: She doesn't know who you are. Okay.
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  Speaker 2: But I still don't know. I don't know who our
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  Speaker 2: people are going to be. We're in a weird entertainment industry.
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  Speaker 2: You're on national television with people. You never know where
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  Speaker 2: you stand, but you have to let things roll off.
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  Speaker 3: Okay. So anyways, so I see her and she's cute
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  Speaker 3: as fricking hell. And I'm just like, Hey, you know, whatever.
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  Speaker 2: We both have our cocktail in our hand. And then
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  Speaker 2: she kind of stops and she turns around and she goes, well,
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  Speaker 2: don't not talk to me. And I was like, Well,
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  Speaker 2: you don't like me.
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  Speaker 3: And I was like, so I don't have anything to say.
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  Speaker 3: And it was like, boom. We probably talked for 30 minutes.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not kidding you. At least 30, which is a
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  Speaker 3: long time when you're at that.
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  Speaker 2: You are moving and shaking and people are coming in
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  Speaker 2: and you're running to hug new people and people are
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  Speaker 2: there for a short amount of time. So you want
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  Speaker 2: to get all your hugs and photos in. We probably
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  Speaker 2: talked for a good 30 minutes. And the part that
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  Speaker 2: got me the most was that because I said, I go, Carmela,
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  Speaker 2: I know the industry we're in. You don't know me
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  Speaker 2: from Adam. You don't know anything about me. You don't
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  Speaker 2: know my heart. And she just kept saying, but Tamara
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  Speaker 2: has always told me everything and I needed to listen
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  Speaker 2: to Tamara.
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  Speaker 3: And I said, you know what? I go by my
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  Speaker 3: own experience though.
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  Speaker 2: I go, you don't need to listen to anyone because
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  Speaker 2: you have other castmates on that crew telling you other things.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: Now, you know me, we've had this talk, you know,
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  Speaker 2: and she's like, I really do owe you an apology.
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  Speaker 2: And I'm sorry for that. And I was like, it
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  Speaker 2: was a sincere, not an apology. Like, I got caught
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  Speaker 2: on TV saying it. It was a sincere apology of,
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  Speaker 2: you know what? You do have a good heart.
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  Speaker 3: I can tell. And yada, yada.
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  Speaker 2: And we laughed about some things that we talked, you know, serious.
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  Speaker 2: And then we talked joking, but it was so who
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  Speaker 2: she is on film. And why told her this last night?
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  Speaker 2: I said, Carmela, I know how hard it is to
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  Speaker 2: do this show, but I said, if they ask you back,
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  Speaker 2: you are the breath of fresh air that we need
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  Speaker 2: on this show.
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  Speaker 3: You have to do it.
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  Speaker 1: And what's he say?
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  Speaker 3: I don't want to be.
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  Speaker 2: I don't want to give everything about our conversation.
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  Speaker 1: Well, okay, okay, okay. Did she... Okay, that's fair. That's fair.
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  Speaker 2: Did.
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  Speaker 1: She.
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  Speaker 2: Also said I needed to come back. She's like, well,
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  Speaker 2: would you ever come back? So that's where that went.
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  Speaker 2: I won't even tell you my answer on that either
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  Speaker 2: because you know where I stand. And I have been
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  Speaker 2: told not to say my true answer.
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  Speaker 3: So there you go.
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  Speaker 1: I know. Me and Spencer have told you to keep
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  Speaker 1: your mouth shut. Okay. The thing is, did you get
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  Speaker 1: a sense... that Carmella enjoyed her time on the show? Both.
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  Speaker 2: I could feel the stress that it has caused. People
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  Speaker 2: think this is a glitzy and glamorous job and it's
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  Speaker 2: so fun. They don't know the grueling you do as
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  Speaker 2: a producer and watching when we do it all, being
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  Speaker 2: in the trenches with us. I know from the years
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  Speaker 2: of it. All the other cast members know.
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  Speaker 3: But just.
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  Speaker 2: the raindrops don't know that it's not, it's a lot of,
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  Speaker 2: it is, and it's fun. And there's a lot of,
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  Speaker 2: and there's a lot of amazingness about it, but it
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  Speaker 2: is probably, I kind of think of it like, you
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  Speaker 2: know how a doctor has to carry everything home with
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  Speaker 2: him that day from all his cases.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: That's the same thing with a housewife. You're never off
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  Speaker 2: the clock. You carry everything home with you from that job.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not comparing us to doctors, okay? Hello, we are
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  Speaker 2: not doctors. But I'm saying the sentiment. Follow my sentiment, people,
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  Speaker 2: and don't DM me later and bitch at me. But,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, you don't ever just put your clock, you know,
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  Speaker 2: your time card in and you're out.
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  Speaker 3: You're like, it's a full-time job, so it's strenuous. She
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  Speaker 3: did enjoy it.
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  Speaker 1: And on top of that, not to cut you off
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  Speaker 1: because I want you to finish, and on top of that,
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  Speaker 1: You also have to relive it once the episodes air.
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  Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, good point. Good point.
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  Speaker 3: Never even thought of it that way, but you're right.
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  Speaker 3: You don't get off.
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  Speaker 2: And then when you're off, you have to go watch
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  Speaker 2: it and then, you know, talk about it and then
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  Speaker 2: relive it all again. And you've moved on, but then
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  Speaker 2: it rips that bandaid off and that wound is now
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  Speaker 2: red again.
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  Speaker 1: It's still bleeding.
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  Speaker 2: And the bandaid was already on and you were already
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  Speaker 2: moving on to the next thing. So it is a
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  Speaker 2: very taxing career. I'll say with that, I'm just going
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  Speaker 2: to leave the rest of our conversation private, but I
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  Speaker 2: adore her. I hope she does listen to this podcast
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  Speaker 2: and know that I am.
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  Speaker 1: Did she tell you she listens to the pod?
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  Speaker 3: I know. I don't even remember.
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  Speaker 2: We talked for 30 minutes. I don't remember if she did.
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  Speaker 2: I just remember she apologized because she was like... I
• 7:18
  Speaker 2: said to her, I have defended you and you really
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  Speaker 2: went after me without even knowing me.
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  Speaker 3: And she goes, well, you know how it is. I've
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  Speaker 3: got people in my ear and I was just... I'm
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  Speaker 3: on the show. I'm the cast. I go, I totally
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  Speaker 3: get it.
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  Speaker 1: But now... I'll say it.
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  Speaker 3: Starting now, it's different. So if you.
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  Speaker 2: Now Carmela, if you are listening, if you bitch about
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  Speaker 2: me or complain about me, now I'm going to DM
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  Speaker 2: you and give you a hard time.
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  Speaker 1: Because we're best friends.
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  Speaker 3: She's my best friend.
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  Speaker 1: How does she look in person?
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  Speaker 3: Beautiful. The same.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: 100% the same. Her energy is the same. Her spirit,
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  Speaker 2: like you can get from people, there's a phoniness or
• 7:55
  Speaker 2: like they're putting on a persona. Carmela is Carmela. And
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  Speaker 2: I'm the dorky me that's like tumbling over like, oh, Carmella.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I'm the same dorky me too. So she's fabulous.
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  Speaker 2: And I really do think they need to bring her back.
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  Speaker 2: But this is a long, we just gave her the
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  Speaker 2: biggest plug of her life.
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  Speaker 3: There you go.
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  Speaker 1: We love a plug. And later in this episode of Raindrops,
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  Speaker 1: I'm going to give Alexis my list of who I
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  Speaker 1: think should come back. Because listen, it can change because.
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  Speaker 3: You're only- I thought we were getting until the last episode.
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  Speaker 1: I'm doing both. I want to see if based on
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  Speaker 1: part two, if my answers change. So I'm going to
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  Speaker 1: give the audience my prediction. Okay, hold on. Hold on.
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  Speaker 2: Because remember mine from two episodes ago, I wrote mine down.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not going to look at it.
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  Speaker 2: I'm going to write after last night real quick. I'm
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  Speaker 2: going to write who should go and who should stay.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, let's do that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Hold on.
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  Speaker 3: I need one second to write it down.
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  Speaker 1: You can talk.
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  Speaker 3: You can start. I can do both things.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, okay. So as you do that, let me ask
• 8:55
  Speaker 1: you this. Uh-huh. Were there any other people at the
• 9:02
  Speaker 1: party who listens to reality with the King?
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  Speaker 3: Oh my gosh. Okay. So the one, I can't even
• 9:12
  Speaker 3: believe it. Cause they're not house. They're not on a house.
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  Speaker 3: They're not on housewives. So they have no reason. Um,
• 9:17
  Speaker 3: hold on who I texted it to. I texted it
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  Speaker 3: to myself last night because I met her.
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  Speaker 1: Hold on. No. Who?
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  Speaker 3: Oh, okay. Snarky in the suburbs. Everybody follow her.
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  Speaker 1: Don't know.
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  Speaker 3: She was on traders.
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  Speaker 2: She's got the best personality, met her and her cute daughter,
• 9:30
  Speaker 2: 24 year old daughter, 23 year old. She was just
• 9:33
  Speaker 2: going on about Carlos. I mean, a lot of people
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  Speaker 2: stopped and said that, but I really enjoyed her. Cause
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  Speaker 2: I'm like, she's so not in the housewives realm, but
• 9:42
  Speaker 2: she's like, I go, so you watch housewives and then
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  Speaker 2: you actually tune into our podcast.
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  Speaker 3: And she's like, You guys are hysterical. I don't get it.
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  Speaker 2: Like, I don't know how you have it, but you guys,
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  Speaker 2: as Carlos is like adjusting his like camera, right?
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  Speaker 3: I don't know what you're doing.
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  Speaker 1: Making my green juice. Go ahead. I'm listening.
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  Speaker 2: But he's got, what do you, what did you call
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  Speaker 2: it that you have in the background right now?
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  Speaker 1: My virtual background. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: He put on a virtual today, you guys, because he's
• 10:05
  Speaker 2: got boxes, which is going to be me in a
• 10:07
  Speaker 2: couple of weeks, but he's got boxes in the background.
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  Speaker 2: But anyway, she was so sweet. Just about how everyone
• 10:13
  Speaker 2: takes light of our podcast. Like no one's taking, no one,
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  Speaker 2: we're not, performing brain surgery here, Carlos. We just have
• 10:20
  Speaker 2: fun and we make fun of ourselves. And I just
• 10:21
  Speaker 2: think it's, I don't know if she liked us.
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  Speaker 3: So there we go.
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  Speaker 2: That was one of my highlights because a lot of
• 10:26
  Speaker 2: people that I already know said, oh, I heard you
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  Speaker 2: on Carlos.
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  Speaker 1: I love it.
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  Speaker 3: But then it's just.
• 10:29
  Speaker 2: Weird how many genres of entertainment shows actually tune into
• 10:34
  Speaker 2: this podcast.
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  Speaker 3: So thank you guys. And I take back what I
• 10:37
  Speaker 3: said that, oh, we know one listens to us, Carlos. Yes,
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  Speaker 3: they all do.
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  Speaker 1: I know. You know, the raindrops don't like you when
• 10:42
  Speaker 1: you say that, Alexis.
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  Speaker 3: I'm sorry, raindrops. I know you guys. I know the
• 10:46
  Speaker 3: raindrops listen to us.
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  Speaker 1: I know, but we are worldwide, honey.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, I'm converted. I'm converted. I believe you.
• 10:53
  Speaker 1: As Spencer says, we sure don't. So any other housewives
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  Speaker 1: from Atlanta, Salt Lake City?
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  Speaker 3: Well, I met Bronwyn. She was the one hosting. She's beautiful.
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  Speaker 3: Bronwyn from Salt Lake City.
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  Speaker 1: Beautiful. Did she recognize you?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, she's the one that said, oh, she goes, oh,
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  Speaker 2: you don't know this. So I walked up to her
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  Speaker 2: and I was just like, oh, my God, I love
• 11:14
  Speaker 2: your outfit. You're Bronwyn from New Jersey. I started to
• 11:16
  Speaker 2: say New Jersey. I know it's not New Jersey, but
• 11:18
  Speaker 2: that's just me, my brain running too fast. And I go,
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  Speaker 2: Salt Lake City. And then she goes, and I go,
• 11:23
  Speaker 2: I'm Alexis. I'm from Orange County. And she's like, oh,
• 11:25
  Speaker 2: I know who you are. And I was like, okay, well,
• 11:28
  Speaker 2: I didn't know that, but I think you look beautiful.
• 11:30
  Speaker 2: Her outfit, I just wanted to pull off of her
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  Speaker 2: and put it on me.
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  Speaker 3: It was gorgeous.
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  Speaker 1: Okay. I love that you had a good time. I
• 11:39
  Speaker 1: love that. Here's the deal for me. I love that.
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  Speaker 1: Excuse me. You are capable of receiving the love from
• 11:49
  Speaker 1: people in real life. You know what I mean? Yeah.
• 11:53
  Speaker 1: Because I tell you all the time, the mean stuff
• 11:56
  Speaker 1: that people write about is not real life. This is
• 11:59
  Speaker 1: not real life. And even the positive things people say
• 12:04
  Speaker 1: about you, um, I always make sure you know about it,
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  Speaker 1: but there's nothing like feeling it in real life and
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  Speaker 1: in real time from real people.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: And it makes it starting.
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  Speaker 2: I do have a lot of, I think because of
• 12:19
  Speaker 2: season 18 and how I was portrayed and what they
• 12:21
  Speaker 2: left out. And the fact that it was the battle
• 12:24
  Speaker 2: I had to fight to have my husband. I mean,
• 12:26
  Speaker 2: I should have just said no to the show. Obviously
• 12:27
  Speaker 2: we know that now, but I think going through that
• 12:32
  Speaker 2: and getting the hate, like the visceral hate, like death threats, like,
• 12:36
  Speaker 2: I should jump off a cliff.
• 12:38
  Speaker 3: I should die. How dare me?
• 12:40
  Speaker 2: No one really like, like you're just using John for
• 12:42
  Speaker 2: your fame. He's just using you for the fame, like
• 12:45
  Speaker 2: all of the bull crap that we had to go through.
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  Speaker 2: I think it really did beat me.
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  Speaker 3: Down to where I was like, I don't think anybody
• 12:50
  Speaker 3: really likes me. I'm just doing my job.
• 12:51
  Speaker 2: I'm just here to entertain people and people can hate
• 12:53
  Speaker 2: me and I'm still making money along the way. So
• 12:55
  Speaker 2: I'm laughing to the bank as you hate me, but
• 12:57
  Speaker 2: it's okay. I think now, It's more of like I
• 13:01
  Speaker 2: do feel people... I think it's because of you too, Carlos, though.
• 13:04
  Speaker 2: I think it's because of the podcast. You've given me
• 13:06
  Speaker 2: the outlet for people to really hear who I am
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  Speaker 2: instead of there's nothing edited and we don't script anything.
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  Speaker 3: We have nothing. It's just you shooting the shit together.
• 13:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 13:16
  Speaker 3: So people get to see what they missed on Housewives.
• 13:19
  Speaker 3: There you go.
• 13:20
  Speaker 1: Oh, you're so sweet. Well, listen, you know I adore
• 13:22
  Speaker 1: you and I've always been a fan of yours before
• 13:25
  Speaker 1: we met. So the idea of you... and I becoming friends,
• 13:30
  Speaker 1: and you recapping this show with me, it means the
• 13:34
  Speaker 1: world to me, and I'm so happy that the audience
• 13:37
  Speaker 1: gets to see the real you, and it's funny because
• 13:40
  Speaker 1: the comments on YouTube, every time I upload our episode,
• 13:44
  Speaker 1: they're like, we love you guys, chemistry, Alexis is great,
• 13:47
  Speaker 1: we want to see this side of her on the show,
• 13:49
  Speaker 1: so I'm happy that I was able to really showcase
• 13:52
  Speaker 1: that to the world. I think you're wonderful, and... We've
• 13:56
  Speaker 1: just been having so much fun. And like you said,
• 13:58
  Speaker 1: we just be ourselves.
• 13:59
  Speaker 2: It doesn't feel like we're working for an hour and
• 14:01
  Speaker 2: a half or an hour, whatever we do. It doesn't
• 14:03
  Speaker 2: because we have fun together and we make fun of everything.
• 14:06
  Speaker 2: We're just like, we can throw some digs, Carlos, but
• 14:09
  Speaker 2: let me tell you, you and I throw digs at
• 14:11
  Speaker 2: ourselves just as much.
• 14:12
  Speaker 1: Exactly. We're self-deprecating. So like, and listen, we only keep
• 14:18
  Speaker 1: it to the episode. We don't talk about these ladies
• 14:22
  Speaker 1: and their personal lives. That isn't on the show. We
• 14:25
  Speaker 1: only talk about what we're watching and we keep it
• 14:29
  Speaker 1: to that. Which brings us to part one of the
• 14:33
  Speaker 1: Rural Housewives of Orange County reunion. What did you think
• 14:38
  Speaker 1: about the outfits, the dresses, the gowns?
• 14:41
  Speaker 2: Oh.
• 14:42
  Speaker 3: I was going to say what I thought you were
• 14:43
  Speaker 3: going to ask. What do I think overall?
• 14:45
  Speaker 2: I personally overall think it was amazing. I, I, they're like,
• 14:49
  Speaker 2: I know it's boring stuff they're talking about, but I
• 14:51
  Speaker 2: feel like they still brought it.
• 14:52
  Speaker 3: I enjoyed the episode. I didn't think there and go,
• 14:55
  Speaker 3: I want it to be over. Like with some of
• 14:57
  Speaker 3: the other episodes, I was thinking, I love this. And I,
• 15:00
  Speaker 3: when it got over, I was.
• 15:00
  Speaker 1: Like, Oh wow.
• 15:01
  Speaker 3: That was quick.
• 15:02
  Speaker 1: I enjoyed it too, by the way.
• 15:04
  Speaker 3: Good. Okay.
• 15:05
  Speaker 2: So the outfits, I definitely think. I'm not saying this
• 15:10
  Speaker 2: because she's my bestie. I loved Tamara's outfit the best.
• 15:14
  Speaker 1: Me too.
• 15:14
  Speaker 2: I think Gina's I liked, but I think she wore
• 15:18
  Speaker 2: that color last year. So I was kind of thinking, okay,
• 15:20
  Speaker 2: she should have swapped the color up, but I loved
• 15:22
  Speaker 2: that outfit and the rest were just kind of, I mean,
• 15:26
  Speaker 2: I just kind of feel like, um, eh.
• 15:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah. My favorites were Tamara, Gina and Emily in that order.
• 15:35
  Speaker 3: Tamara, Gina, Emily.
• 15:36
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 15:37
  Speaker 3: So I agree with Tamara and, and, Yeah.
• 15:41
  Speaker 2: And I've had a lot of friends, because a lot
• 15:42
  Speaker 2: of friends have asked me this, and I have a
• 15:43
  Speaker 2: lot of friends that liked Heather's, but also didn't like it.
• 15:46
  Speaker 2: And I just, I don't know. I thought something was just,
• 15:50
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I'm sure it was the most expensive
• 15:53
  Speaker 2: one there. I just didn't love it.
• 15:54
  Speaker 1: I was going to say that.
• 15:55
  Speaker 3: I didn't love a lot. There was just, okay, some
• 15:57
  Speaker 3: of them.
• 15:57
  Speaker 1: This is what confuses me about Heather's reunion dresses choices. Obviously,
• 16:03
  Speaker 1: because she has said it, not said it verbatim, but
• 16:07
  Speaker 1: she lives it. Let me say that. She lives it.
• 16:10
  Speaker 1: Heather is the wealthiest one on the show, right?
• 16:15
  Speaker 3: I mean, no one needs to even say that, Carlos.
• 16:17
  Speaker 3: We all know.
• 16:17
  Speaker 1: Well, I was going to say, like, it's obvious, right?
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: But I do expect more when it comes to her dresses.
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: Because I'm like, you have the most money, which means
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: you can buy any dress you want. And this is
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: the dress you chose to wear?
• 16:38
  Speaker 3: I mean, OK, let's start with this.
• 16:39
  Speaker 2: Like, think of Jennifer Tilly, who was the friend of
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: and she comes out in.
• 16:43
  Speaker 3: A custom made.
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 16:46
  Speaker 3: Who was it? It was a custom made with her
• 16:48
  Speaker 3: face on it.
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: What? With her face on it. Yeah. Oh, Velmain.
• 16:53
  Speaker 3: I just remembered. So she comes out in that.
• 16:56
  Speaker 2: And it's like, wow, I know that's not everyone's taster style.
• 16:58
  Speaker 2: It's not Heather's taster style to put a picture of
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: herself on her dress. She'd have an HD on it,
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: but not her face. But Jennifer Tilly's, it's like, yeah,
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: you kind of expect that kind of like amazingness.
• 17:09
  Speaker 3: They walk out and you're like, is that you? And
• 17:11
  Speaker 3: she's like, yeah, and it's about me. And it's like,
• 17:13
  Speaker 3: oh my gosh.
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So I expected more, but listen,
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: I did enjoy the reunion. Let's get into a girl
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: because a lot has happened. We have to get into
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: the ladies confronting Vicky about her man, Mike. A lot
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: was said in this. I know it's going to make
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: you uncomfortable because apparently you are in a group chat
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: with Vicky and Tamra, which we'll get to that. Yeah, girl.
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: Don't think you're going to skip out on that one, sister.
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: But I'm going to give you time for that. So
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: we'll get... Raindrops. She's turning red. I'm like, I knew.
• 17:54
  Speaker 3: I'm like, Carlos' ears just went, whoop, there's my girl again.
• 17:57
  Speaker 3: They brought her up again. There we go. She just
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: can't remember her name. I'm like, and the whole while,
• 18:02
  Speaker 3: I'm like, God, girls, just leave me alone. They can't.
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: I love you so much because they can't keep your
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: name out of their fucking mouths. Okay.
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: No, it's one person that can't, and that's the one
• 18:13
  Speaker 3: that needs to get.
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: Over it all. I love it, though. I love it. So, apparently...
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: According to Jen, Vicky's man Mike called her from Vicky's
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: phone at 10 p.m. And according to Jen, let her
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: have it, okay? He was defending Vicky while Jen is
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: describing what occurred. Vicky is... taking up for him, saying,
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: you know, I was on the phone with you. He
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: said what he had to say. I did agree with it.
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: It appeared that she was making excuses. And then what
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: was so interesting about this, not only did that happen,
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: apparently at the quiet woman, Vicky got mad that Mike
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: was hugging Shannon. And then, right?
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I let that one go in one
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: ear and out the other, but I do now remember
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: a little bit about that.
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: I was still caught up on the whole 10 o'clock
• 19:19
  Speaker 3: phone call.
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: Yes. So let me finish this part and then we'll
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: get into the whole thing. So Vicky gets mad that
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: Mike was hugging Shannon and Mike said, I've known her
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: for 25 years. Don't tell me who I can hug.
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: And then said, do you want to go there? Okay.
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: Everyone feels like Mike is controlling Vicky appears to start
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: making excuses for him. She doesn't apologize. um i'm gonna
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: get her thoughts on this i have to say this
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: i thought it was horrible that a man who doesn't
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: even want to film for the show damn near is
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: talking to Jen that way at that time of night.
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: And then even saying like, oh, we'll get Ryan on
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: the phone. I'm very old school. I just don't think
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: that a man, whether Vicky called Jen and Mike snatched
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: the phone, I think if a man has an issue
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: with something his girlfriend's female friend did, Call her husband,
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: call her boyfriend or call her fiance. You don't speak
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: to a woman late that night or in general, especially
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: that way. That's my opinion. What are your thoughts?
• 20:44
  Speaker 3: Well, I have to be honest because that's what we're
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: here to do.
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: And first of all, there's a rule of thumb that
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: another man does not address another woman's another man's woman
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: or wife without all parties being there. It should be
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: both women or the women and women together. The two
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: women converse about it.
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: Or it's all four of them. Because there is.
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: No place for a man to talk to another woman
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: at any time of the day when it's your girlfriend's
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: or wife's friend you're addressing without her husband being there
• 21:18
  Speaker 2: to help support her.
• 21:19
  Speaker 3: And this is why.
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: Because men are bigger, stronger.
• 21:25
  Speaker 3: It's known for that.
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: There's something that just can shut women down and it's
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: just disrespectful. Like in general, it's disrespectful. You do not, if, if,
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: if you're out on a group of friends, a group
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: and you're everyone's single and you're just friends and you're
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: all just shooting the wind and, or, you know, whatever,
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: whatever it is out, hanging out, you guys can converse
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: about issues you have, but when someone is married and
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: you're calling them, like, like because Vicky was there and
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: you're addressing something with another person, another woman without her
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: husband there or fiance in this case, It's just not right.
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: But the whole, everything about this, the Carlos was sticky.
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: All of it.
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: I didn't like that Shannon got brought up about the
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: fact that, you know, she hugged.
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: Why does it matter?
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: I don't care who John hugs in my friends. Do
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: you care if your boyfriend hugs your friends when you
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: walk in?
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: No, I don't care.
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: Hug everybody. We're huggers. I'm not like the one that's like, oh, hi,
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: good to see you. No, give him a big sloppy hug.
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: Who cares?
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: Now, when you kiss him on the lips, that gets
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: a little weird. And there are people that do that.
• 22:23
  Speaker 2: But I, you know, like you're not kissing my husband anywhere.
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: You can hug him, but you're not kissing him. But, yeah,
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: all of it was just kind of sticky. And it's
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: sides of Mike that I didn't know about. And I
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: don't think it's fair to sit there. Also, the flip
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: side of this, I don't think it's fair for the
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: women to sit there and bash Mike, like Vicky said,
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: when he's not there to defend himself.
• 22:44
  Speaker 3: They didn't give him a seat.
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: They didn't give him a five-minute time to talk about
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: his side of it. I don't like that side either.
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: So for me and you, I don't want to be here.
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: I want to say what my thoughts are and what
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: I saw. But I don't like to sit here and
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: bash someone who's not here to defend himself and say, well,
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: you guys don't know this part of it, but there's
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: also this side because that could be there.
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: Well, I think the difference though, Alexis, excuse me, is
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: the fact that Mike was on camera this season around
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: the women. And I think because of that, they have
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: every right to say how it was. I think it was.
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: Was he really Carlos? Hold on. Was he really?
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: He walked his ass in the room.
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 23:23
  Speaker 3: Me not wanting to mic up and they still dragged
• 23:25
  Speaker 3: him into the scene. I'm sorry.
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: And John. Right. And I, I never want, I'm going
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: to be fair in all fairness. When you walked in,
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: without being mic'd, and John did too, and you guys filmed,
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: you guys showed up, and the audience talked about it,
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: and we did too, we had every right to, because
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: you showed up. Mike was there. He saw the cameras.
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: And because of that, these women have every right to
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: say it. And on top of that, on top of that,
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: on top of that... Fair. Fair.
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: Right?
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: On top of that, Vicky... Listen, and I know this
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: is going to make you uncomfortable, and I'm not asking
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: you to say anything because I respect your friendship and
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: your group chat, but I don't want reality with Vicky.
• 24:16
  Speaker 2: Hey, note to everyone, she's a podcaster, and she doesn't
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: get her feelings hurt, but also, just so you know,
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: she doesn't even remember half of what she says, so
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: it's okay.
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: We can still talk. Vicky's still going to be my,
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: we were at dinner last night. She's going to be
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: just fine.
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: Okay, good. I am concerned for Vicky. I am.
• 24:36
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: Okay. I'm only saying this as a viewer. I've never
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: met Mike or been around him. So I can't state
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: many things about his character because I don't know him.
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: And I think in Mike's defense, in Mike's defense, I
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: can't judge a person's character based on the limited evidence
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: that I saw on the show and on the phone call. Right?
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: You and I both agree, not the greatest thing to do,
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: but his overall character, I cannot speak to. Now, with
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: that being said, what I can speak to as a viewer,
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: the reason why I'm concerned about Vicky, or for Vicky,
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: she appears to have this propensity to date controlling men.
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: And based on the description of the phone call that
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: Jen said that Vicky did not deny, she didn't say
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: Jen's lying. She said, hey, whatever, that's him. I'm concerned
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: because I do see a pattern of Vicky dating men
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: that appears to be controlling, and that's my concern for
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: her as a viewer. Yeah.
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: And I have to be honest.
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: And I agree with, as a viewer, your side of
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: why you would say that.
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: I can see.
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 26:14
  Speaker 3: I feel like.
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: The show likes to take a small characteristic about someone
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: and and make it that big characteristic. That's what the
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: show's all about. They take the one character and you're
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: the ditzy, I'm the ditzy blonde, but I, you know,
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: so they take that little bitty part of me that's,
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: I'm also very intelligent, but they take that part of
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: me and then that's me.
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: Blow it up.
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: I'm using that as an excuse. So if there's a
• 26:40
  Speaker 3: little bit of that, Mike, that is a.
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: Little bit controlling, I'm just saying from what I feel,
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: because I know Vicky, I talk to her a lot.
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: I don't feel It's as controlling as what was portrayed
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: on this. But I also, with that said, don't like
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: how messy the information we just found out about him
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: in these certain situations are just now.
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: I don't like that he called any woman.
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: I don't like that he, that Vicky was on a
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: phone at 10 o'clock with Jen is not an issue.
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: Not a problem.
• 27:14
  Speaker 3: Let's watch it out. I don't like that any man
• 27:17
  Speaker 3: would jump in on that phone call.
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: Whether it's 10 a.m. or 2 p.m. I don't care
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: what time. I don't like that.
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: Unless he said, hey, can we get Ryan on the
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: phone and let's all of us have a powwow real quick.
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: That's the no respect thing in the playing field is even.
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: So that's that one thing. I don't like the fact
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: that there was some big deal made about who's hugging who.
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: I don't, I mean, there's just a lot that's like,
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: it doesn't feel like in a safe place, safe space,
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: you know, a good, strong, safe relationship kind of thing.
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: And there was one other thing. What are we missing?
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: There was one other thing. Didn't Emily chime in? Oh,
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: we need, we need Jamie or Spencer. Another thing about
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: Mike that we were kind of all that was brought
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: into this whole equation.
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: I was just like, wow, that's like three.
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: I can't remember it now, but I think there was
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: three things that I was just like this poor guy.
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: I wish they would have given him to have for
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: him to have that many minutes on the reunion. They
• 28:08
  Speaker 2: should have given him five minutes to come out on
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: stage and give his side.
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: I don't think Vicky wants that though. Listen. And, and
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: I will say this as a former housewives producer, uh,
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: You want everything that makes sense for the season. But
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: to your point, when you're not a paid husband or boyfriend,
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: it's up to the guy and or his wife to
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: make it happen. I think if Vicky would have said, hey,
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: Danny wants to clear his name. Trust me. Trust me.
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: Andy Cohen would have been like, wonderful. Any producer would
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: have been like, let's make this happen.
• 28:52
  Speaker 3: Do you think it was Danny and Mike that didn't
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: want to then?
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: Don't you think if you're saying that, do you think
• 28:59
  Speaker 2: that the producers ask the girls, do you think you're
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: a boyfriend or a boyfriend? They were all boyfriends at
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: this point. Boyfriend would want to come on. Do you
• 29:06
  Speaker 2: think that they were given that option? Because I know,
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: I'll tell you right now, there were many seasons that
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: they did offer the husbands to come on and have
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: a little role, and then there were seasons that they
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: did not.
• 29:16
  Speaker 3: They were like, nope, no men.
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. And it also depends on how integral they
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: were in the season, too, right? I think, for example,
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: one of my shows, Bell Collective, I had a cast
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: member say, I want to dress this, bring this person on,
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: I want to clear the air, and it.
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: Was a big storyline.
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: Okay. So I i i do think that's the case
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: but look when it comes to vicky i do feel
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: like vicky just made a lot of excuses for him
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: and look that's your man and you got to go
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: home with them so i guess.
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: And also carlos there are two sides i don't care
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: how much we want to sit here and cut this
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: apple up There is still a seed in the middle
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: and there's still more to it.
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: So I'm just saying- There's more to it.
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: He called the woman at 10 p.m.
• 30:04
  Speaker 3: No, he didn't call her.
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: He jumped on the phone call, which is inappropriate. It
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: is inappropriate and disrespectful.
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: Look at the words of Shannon's schematics. Schematics.
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: These are the bloopers I love.
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: These are the things that I live for because I
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: do it all the freaking time.
• 30:20
  Speaker 3: Okay.
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: I love the one letter off and it changes the
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: word all together.
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: Oh my God. I know what I'm talking about. I'm
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: just in dits right now, but no. Um, so I,
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: I just think we need to give.
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: Mike a break a little bit and let him be, um,
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: and just tell Vicky our side of what we saw
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: and don't appreciate that.
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: And I, I do hope she stands up for herself.
• 30:42
  Speaker 3: I believe she does.
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: May I ask you a question?
• 30:44
  Speaker 3: Yes. You know, I'm going to protect my friend too, though.
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: I'm not tripping off of that. I know you are.
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: And I get it. My question for you is this.
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: I'm assuming you've been around Mike.
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: No.
• 30:58
  Speaker 3: Oh, shit. Yeah.
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: When Vicki and I hang, it's only been us.
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: We, we, it's been, yeah. Or we're at a, we're
• 31:04
  Speaker 3: doing something together. Let's out.
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: And, you know, I went on her podcast and he
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: wasn't there for that. And then we talk on the
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: phone and then, you know, I'm walking the hood and we're,
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: we're powwowing about life on the, when I'm walking the hood,
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: we've never done a force for, for like a date,
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: double date. Um, I talked to her in detail. I mean,
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: we talk about our husband. I mean, I talk about
• 31:24
  Speaker 2: John and she talks about Mike to me. So I,
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: I feel like I know the guy, but I, I
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: have not. I mean, like last night it was just
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: Gina Keough and Vicki and I, so no husbands were there.
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: May I ask you why you.
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: Why you don't, What?
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: I find it strange that you guys haven't been on
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: a double date.
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: Well, here's something I want you to think about.
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: Okay, go ahead, baby.
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: You saw how much Shannon got her panties or what
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: does she wear? Shapewear and a bind about John hugging Vicky.
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: Okay, I think Vicky.
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: Has been very, tried to be very respectful and the
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: fact that she's never had it out for me and
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: she loves me and she does not have a problem
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: with John and still appease her friend that's 67 years
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: old and thinks that you can't be friends with two
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: people at the same time. So I'm just saying, I
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: think there's a lot more to it. Also, I've never
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: called Vicki and said, hey, let's do a double date.
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: I've always just said, can you meet for coffee?
• 32:25
  Speaker 3: And she said, can you guys go to happy hour?
• 32:26
  Speaker 3: Can you do this? Like, it's always just been a
• 32:29
  Speaker 3: girl kind of thing.
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: Some of that might be due to the respect that
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: she was trying to give to Shannon to where she's like, okay,
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: I won't lose this friend, but then I can keep
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: this friend too.
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: I mean, who's the more mature one in this situation
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: is what I'd like to ask. 49 or 67. I
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: think we know who is, but.
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: I just think that Vicky has, you know, and I
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: also would love to meet him.
• 32:51
  Speaker 3: And I have watched him. She did film a couple.
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: Scenes with Vicky this season.
• 32:58
  Speaker 3: I want to meet him.
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: And that's why I'm kind of trying to defend him
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: because I also know their relationship from what she's told me.
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: And I'm not sure it always aligns with what the
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: girls were kind of. Did he have a bad moment?
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: We're on a television show and we all have a
• 33:13
  Speaker 2: bad moment, Carlos. So he probably knows he should not
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: have addressed Jen. And don't ever do that, boys, please. Yes.
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: But unfortunately, and we'll move on, I wish Vicky would
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: have said, Mike feels horrible what happened.
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: You know, very good point.
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: If I'm being raw about my girlfriend, the other thing is,
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: is I don't feel like Vicky took enough ownership at
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: all on this entire reunion. She needed to say, I
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: want to call her because I just watched it right
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: before we pot it. But I want to call her.
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: I hadn't watched it last night when we met for dinner.
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: And say, Vicky, you just need to say you're sorry
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: when you fuck up. I feel like she has a hard,
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: I feel like she thinks she did because her heart,
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: this is why. Her heart is not evil. That girl
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: doesn't sit there and go, I can't wait to say
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: a dig at someone. She just is kind of whimsical
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: with her words. And then she says it and then
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: it doesn't, she didn't mean anything hard by it. She
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: just doesn't understand how it comes across. But then she
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: thinks she apologizes. apologizes when she doesn't. And I think
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: that I wish watching this reunion, I just wish she
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: would have apologized. And when the women are sitting there
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: giving their disgruntles to her, just say, I'm so sorry.
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: You're right. Unbelievable. And she should have done the same
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: about Mike.
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: I think the problem is Vicky was too busy listening
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: to her glam squad or her publicist or anyone and said,
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: just say you're sorry. And that's why I do respect
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: people who say, like Lisa Barlow, for example, from Salt
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: Lake City. Lisa Barlow always says, I'm not going to
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: say I'm sorry until I mean it. Like, I'm not
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: saying it. I know you want me to say it.
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: And I know you think I'm wrong. I'm telling you
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: right now, you want me to mean it. I will
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: say it when I mean it. And I actually respect that.
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: I think Nikki... I don't think Vicky is sorry. I
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: think she said it because she felt like it was
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: the right thing to do. And that's why this whole reunion,
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: it was weird because I'm like, you're not sorry for shit.
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: You're sorry because you're being told you have to apologize
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: because it's the right thing to do. But she doesn't
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: mean it at all.
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: I'm going to give another side to this too real quick.
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: And I know we need to move on because we're
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: really spending a lot of time on this.
• 35:23
  Speaker 3: But here's the thing.
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: I want you to also remember, remember when Gina looked
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: over at her and goes, I see a friend who
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: was in chronic pain. filming this season. I'm letting you
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: know I was with Vicky last night. The woman is
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: still in chronic pain. Her knee is messed the frick up.
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: We're out at dinner and we have to prop her
• 35:42
  Speaker 2: knee up. They taped this reunion a couple months ago.
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: A month ago.
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: A month ago. She's propping her leg still. She is
• 35:51
  Speaker 3: not out of pain.
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: And I don't care what anyone says, but my husband
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: has knee issues.
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: It is not... Easy.
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: And he doesn't take Advil to just, you know, he
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: deals with it. He lives in that pain every day
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: of his life. She's going through that right now. And
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: she just had a second surgery like a month ago
• 36:08
  Speaker 2: when we saw that on the reunion.
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: So I don't think anyone.
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: Actually takes into account that the Vicki you're seeing, I
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: can see a little absence in her sometimes when they're filming.
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: And I can kind of see she's like, God, I hurt.
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: I need to do five emails. I don't have time
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: for this right now. Which Gina was also... in the
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: right to say, do you still want to be a
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: part of this group?
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: Is this too much?
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: Cause you're working in this group with us. This is
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: also a job. Your job is also your emails, but
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: this is also a job. You're not, you're not being
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: invested in this job. So all of that, but I
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: just want people to remember, Vicki has not had an easy,
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: and she filmed another reality show right before that, the
• 36:46
  Speaker 2: girl's trip. So it was film, film, film, knee, knee, knee, hurt, hurt, hurt, emails, emails, emails,
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: all the above. Okay.
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: You don't agree.
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: Well, no, no. I agree she's in pain. It's obvious
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: she's in pain. I just don't think being in pain
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: is an excuse for you being an asshole. John has
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: been in pain, and he's been lovely every time I
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: see him.
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: Okay, good point.
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: That's all, but let's move on. I wanted you to finish,
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: but hey.
• 37:23
  Speaker 3: Okay, next, as I always say when I'm going, next.
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: Look, this episode was so crazy already. Okay, so with
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: that being said, girlfriend, let's get to Tamara and Shannon's friendship.
• 37:34
  Speaker 3: Fake as fuck. Fake as fuck is all I'm going
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: to say. Phony as fuck was for Heather. Fake as
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: fuck is that friendship. I'm just saying.
• 37:45
  Speaker 2: And I have not talked to Tamra about it because
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: guess what? I tell all my friends, just like when
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: Jen and Tamra, I was in the middle. I'm like,
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: I don't want to talk about it. I know Shannon
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: despises me. She can't keep my name out of her
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: mouth yet. She tells me that at the end of
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: leaving a party. Shut the fuck up, Shannon.
• 37:58
  Speaker 3: But she, so she.
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: Literally, when I'm watching their friendship on TV, so I
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: won't talk to Tamra about Shannon at all.
• 38:05
  Speaker 3: I will not bring up her name. I do not
• 38:07
  Speaker 3: want to hear about it.
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: If Tamra even wants to ask me one question about
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: anything about Shannon, I will shut it down. So I'm
• 38:12
  Speaker 2: letting you know, I'm going from a viewer- not being really, really, really,
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: really close to Tamra.
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: Okay?
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: Phoning, friendship, they're doing it for TV.
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: Well, I think it's obvious because when Tamra said to
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: Shannon and Heather even agreed that you're sending Tamra mixed
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: signals because how can you be on the phone with
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: her for two hours the night before the premiere party
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: and then on the red carpet say you need to
• 38:41
  Speaker 1: keep your distance from Tamra But then after the party,
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: you're in the car talking to her again for two hours.
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: And Shannon's like, well, you know, I don't want to
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: give away too much from the show. Which I'm like, okay,
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: I can understand that, kinda. But more so, it appears that, look,
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: Shannon's and Tama's friendship will never be the same. It
• 39:09
  Speaker 1: was never an authentic friendship from Shannon's POV. because Shannon
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: only wanted to have a friend on the show. And
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: when Tamra got fired, once again, that's when Shannon stopped
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: communicating with Tamra for two years. While Tamra was fired
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: for two years, Shannon did not contact her. And as
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: Tamra would contact her. Shannon had no time for her
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: because she's like, look, bitch, I gotta kiss Heather's ass.
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: She's the new queen bee. They got this new chick
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: named Noella whose ass I gotta get to know. And
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: then you got fucking Emily and Gina that I'm not
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: gonna be friends with. And then Heather's taking fucking Gina
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: to New York to get pizza. So Shannon's like, look, bitch,
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: I had no time for you. This is my real
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: job and my real friends. So with that being said,
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: I agree with you. It's phony as fuck.
• 40:02
  Speaker 3: But here's the thing.
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: From Tamara's perspective, when I watch her, I can tell
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: she's willing to patch this up and move on.
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: Agreed.
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: And be like, this is a show. We're doing a show.
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: This is our job.
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: Which is why when she said, are we coworkers?
• 40:22
  Speaker 3: Tell me. I put that... Guess what? I put that
• 40:25
  Speaker 3: one in Tamara's mind because I asked her that.
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: I said, are you my true friend or are you
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: my TV friend, bitch?
• 40:29
  Speaker 3: Because what you just did to me is not cool
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: on TV. Like, are we... And then... It's better that
• 40:33
  Speaker 3: I'm off the show because now we can be real friends.
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: But like, I feel like Shannon will never even be
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: able to make it kosher.
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: She has to play the victim role all the time.
• 40:43
  Speaker 3: So she's always going to be like, I can't, I
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: can't ever move past it. The 10 years I've been
• 40:48
  Speaker 3: so hurt.
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: And what you just said proves the other side of
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: it is you dropped her like your stinky sock from
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: the gym the minute that she got fired from the show. So-
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: I love that you pointed out because people forget that.
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: I think Raindrops and other listeners forget what Tamara has
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: had to put up with. It is not Tamara's the
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: bad guy in this situation. It takes two to tango.
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: And not only does Shannon confuse Tamara by calling her
• 41:16
  Speaker 2: before and then not talking to her or bashing her
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: on the carpet, the red carpet, and calling her out
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: right after.
• 41:23
  Speaker 3: That is the biggest confusion of mixed messages ever.
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. No, it is. It is.
• 41:30
  Speaker 3: It is.
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: Then as Vicky had to stretch for her leg, your
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: name came up, my love, because apparently Gina and Emily
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: are aware that you, Alexis, are on a group chat
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: with Vicky and Tamra. And they're like, Andy, let's talk
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: about it. It's so confusing. She's on a text with
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: Alexis Molina.
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: Am I the new plague, like the new COVID going
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: around or something where everyone's like, what the hell?
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: Don't talk to her or text her.
• 42:09
  Speaker 2: I mean, are these women grown adults or are they
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: literally juvenile little kids? Do they not understand I talk
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: to a lot of those women?
• 42:16
  Speaker 3: Do they not get that?
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: And by the way, if you're asking why am I
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: on a group chat, I want to know what that's about.
• 42:22
  Speaker 2: Fucking go get a Popsicle stick and go to the
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: movie theater down the street because it's much more entertaining
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: than my text to these girls. We're just talking about
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: how tired we are and, you know, the crap that's
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: going on with our kids.
• 42:33
  Speaker 3: And I mean, whatever. Move on, people.
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: And if you have a problem, but I'm going to
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: be friends with them. I mean, don't look at my
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: Instagram because last night I was with a lot of them.
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: Carmela's front and center on my Instagram right now. That's
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: probably going to put Shannon under the grave. I was
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: with Vicky and Gina last night, took a picture of that.
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: That's going to put you, I mean, just get, but
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: she's blocked on my Instagram.
• 42:52
  Speaker 3: So who's blocked?
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: Shannon. Oh, squad.
• 43:03
  Speaker 3: So then they get screenshots of what, oh, did you
• 43:06
  Speaker 3: see this? And Shannon's like, oh my God, why are
• 43:08
  Speaker 3: you talking to Alexis? I'm 67 and I want to
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: know why you're talking to her right now. Oh my God,
• 43:15
  Speaker 3: go get another mom.
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: This is the way she says your name, Alexis Bellino.
• 43:20
  Speaker 3: Does she know it's Alexis Jansen? She can't make herself
• 43:22
  Speaker 3: say that.
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: She can't even say it. So speaking of which, speaking
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: of Bellino- Your ex-husband's naked problem.
• 43:32
  Speaker 3: I'm sitting there in my mind. I'm like, I'm like,
• 43:34
  Speaker 3: these women hate him. Why would they give him one
• 43:36
  Speaker 3: ounce of, of a moment? What is that? It's like,
• 43:47
  Speaker 3: by the way, who would ever take advice? Who would
• 43:49
  Speaker 3: ever take advice from him? Can I please ask you that?
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: Heather's like, he called my husband and told my husband,
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: I'm like, And Terry listened?
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: Okay. Hey, listen, listen. I will give Jim this. He
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: called the husband. Amen.
• 44:11
  Speaker 3: Don't address the wife.
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: You call the husband. Take note, Mike. Call the husband,
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: not the wife.
• 44:17
  Speaker 3: Glad we wrapped that up and brought that full circle. Perfect, Carly.
• 44:20
  Speaker 3: Good job.
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: Okay. We do learn that your new bestie, Carmella... Um,
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: we learned that one of the reasons why they broke
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: up Carmela and Danny is because Carmela felt like, look,
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: he lies so much. I just can't get over it.
• 44:40
  Speaker 2: I wish Andy would have unpacked more there. And if
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: I would have watched the reunion before I met Carmela
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: last night, I would have been able to ask her that.
• 44:47
  Speaker 3: But what does that mean? Like, what is he lying about?
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: I need to know.
• 44:51
  Speaker 3: I do too.
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: I'm going to DM her after this. She'll never answer
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: me that because that's too much. She doesn't want that drama.
• 44:57
  Speaker 2: And by the way, it's sad. Like any breakup is sad.
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: And the family was, he's been there for 10 years.
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: The kids are probably very attached to him. It's a
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: lot of heart hurting, you know?
• 45:08
  Speaker 3: But I wonder what he lies about.
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: She mentioned on one of the episodes, it was, he
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: even lies about what color his underwear are or something
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: like that.
• 45:15
  Speaker 3: So it must be little stupid stuff. That does break
• 45:19
  Speaker 3: the trust, Carlos.
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: If you're like, if John tells me, He's at the
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: gas station, but then I find out he was at Target.
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: It doesn't matter that it's schematics, as certain people say.
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: But like, why are you telling me you're at.
• 45:31
  Speaker 3: The gas station and not Target? What's the, why wouldn't
• 45:33
  Speaker 3: you just, or did you forget? I don't know. It's
• 45:34
  Speaker 3: like little things like that would send light bulbs off
• 45:37
  Speaker 3: in my mind.
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: Especially when, in Carmella's defense, he cheated. Yes. So I
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: think if you dated somebody that says white lies, that
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: is very concerning. And it is sort of like, why
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: are you doing this? I think to add insult to injury,
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: it's when you cheated on me, lied about it, and
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: now you're saying little white lies. I'm with Carmella. I
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: couldn't get past it. And that's why I remember before
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: we found out they broke up, I said- Yes, you did.
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: On this podcast, like, either you forgive him or you
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: leave him alone.
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: And I think it was very cathartic that Gina said-
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: In that moment, she goes, this show or somewhere around
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: that moment. In this show, a lot of times women
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: will take information in, suppress it, and move on and
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: pick up and move on.
• 46:29
  Speaker 3: And like Carmela said, wave and say hi and move on.
• 46:31
  Speaker 3: That is what we do.
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: We were born to carry the brunt of it, which
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: is why we carry the baby in our belly. We
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: were born to just go, put feet down and go.
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: When you see your kid crying, you just put your
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: feet down.
• 46:43
  Speaker 3: You go.
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: You get through.
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: You're their biggest cheerleader. So I feel like Carmela, if
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: she hadn't done this show, might.
• 46:51
  Speaker 3: Have stuck it out. And I'm speaking like I know
• 46:54
  Speaker 3: any of this. I don't. I'm just saying.
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: I think she might have suppressed it longer and they
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: would have maybe stayed together five more years. I think
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: doing this show, you bring up a lot of things
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: and you are forced to sit in a chair and
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: talk about it.
• 47:04
  Speaker 3: Like Gina said.
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: So I think this show might have helped Carmela do
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: what was always going to be done all along.
• 47:12
  Speaker 3: And you did say it very wisely. You said... If
• 47:15
  Speaker 3: you can't move past it, you've got to move on.
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: You do.
• 47:19
  Speaker 3: That is the truth because I don't think I could
• 47:21
  Speaker 3: move past it, Carlos.
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: I don't, I think, and oh, the other thing Gina said,
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: I wanted to ask you, Gina goes, get your thought together, Alexis.
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: She goes, I don't even remember now. It'll come to
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: me probably when we're talking. It was a really good
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: thought though. And I was like, wow, Gina, that was really,
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: really impressive that you said that.
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: I really... No, Gina, to me, was impressed with this reunion. Like,
• 47:46
  Speaker 1: even when Andy asked her if the show has changed
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: her life, and they flashed back to what she was
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: dealing with with her ex-husband.
• 47:55
  Speaker 3: You can see the growth.
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: Yes. I am so proud of Gina. I think Gina's
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: done a wonderful job. I think she used the opportunity
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: for the better. I loved her honesty when she admitted
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: that she was jealous that another real estate person was
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: coming on the show. Because that was her thing. Like...
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: What I say to you, so many housewives do feel
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: that way when a new girl comes on that may
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: have the same profession or be in the same profession
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: as them or the same industry, but they've never met it.
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: The fact that Gina admitted that just goes to show
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: the audience. She is so refreshing to me. I agree.
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: I agree.
• 48:37
  Speaker 3: I agree.
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: And I, I, the thing about Gina is I feel
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: like she does not judge people and she kind of
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: lets things roll off. Like the fact that like, she won't,
• 48:50
  Speaker 2: if I saw her and she was standing next to Shannon,
• 48:52
  Speaker 2: I would have no problem going up and giving her
• 48:54
  Speaker 2: a hug and saying hi, where I think other people
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: would listen to adult women and say, you can't like
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: her if you like me. I love that about Gina
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: because I feel like Gina does not let other people
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: in on, like, skew her mind.
• 49:10
  Speaker 3: I think she literally just lives her life and lives
• 49:13
  Speaker 3: her life. I agree. She has grown a ton. She's
• 49:16
  Speaker 3: grown a ton on this show.
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: I agree.
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: I agree.
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: I think she's great. Vicky's in the hot seat at
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: this time because they started talking about how they felt
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: Vicky mom shamed Carmella when Vicky said it looks like
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: Dani is raising her kids. When Vicky's confronted with Once again,
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: this is the problem that Vicky's having. Mm-hmm. Vicky doesn't
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: listen to process. She listens to respond. And as they're
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: saying to her, like, hey, you said this, I didn't
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: say that. And Angie's like, you did say it. And
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: they flash back to it, and she said it. And
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: Vicky's like, but I wasn't mind-shaming her. I'm sorry. I said,
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I said, I'm sorry. And it's like, in
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: order for the people to really believe you're sorry, you
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: have to listen. And say, you know what? That was
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: a shitty thing to do. I hear you guys. I
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: fucked up. I washed it back. Wasn't my finest moment.
• 50:20
  Speaker 3: I'm sorry.
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: She doesn't have, again, the propensity to really just own
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: her own fault and things. And she feels like, because
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: I said I'm sorry, leave it alone. And that's going
• 50:35
  Speaker 1: to be the problem with her.
• 50:40
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 50:41
  Speaker 2: I was very, in that moment, like I told you,
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: I said, when we first started this pod today, I said,
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: I wish that Vicky would have apologized more. And that
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: is exactly one of the other, there was two, I
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: can't remember the other one, but there's two where I
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: was like, she should have just said, I can't even
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: believe I said it.
• 51:00
  Speaker 3: I didn't mean it that way.
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: I think what Vicky meant sitting in that nail salon
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: when they were getting pedicures, I think, or whatever they
• 51:06
  Speaker 2: were doing testing of something or something. But if she
• 51:09
  Speaker 2: would have just said, Carmela, when I said that, I
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: didn't mean he was raising the kids that came out wrong.
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: And just put her foot in her mouth and been like,
• 51:15
  Speaker 2: I meant to say he's helping you a lot, be
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: co-parent with your children. Which doesn't every step kid, doesn't
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: every step parent help co-parent?
• 51:27
  Speaker 3: So there's not even, it's even silly.
• 51:29
  Speaker 2: That Vicki even like doesn't just own it and say,
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: I would expect nothing more than Danny to be taking
• 51:36
  Speaker 2: your kids and helping when you're working. But it came
• 51:39
  Speaker 2: out so wrong the way she said it. And she
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: didn't apologize. That's what I'm trying to say.
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah. No, because it was a judgmental thing. And
• 51:47
  Speaker 1: she tried to make an excuse for it by saying, well,
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: when Danny was moving my car, he's the one who
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: said it first. And it's like, let's just say he did.
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: Let's say he did. Let me give you some benefit
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: of a doubt. Let's say he did.
• 52:02
  Speaker 3: You're sorry anyway. You said what? Just say you're sorry.
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: That's my point.
• 52:08
  Speaker 3: Say the wrong thing. Who cares who said it?
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. How did you feel when Heather told Vicky,
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: shut up, when the conversation turned to Vicky saying that
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: Terry had an inheritance? And this was, to me, one
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: of Heather's finest moments. I'm going to give it to
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: her because there's nothing I love with a woman that
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: you know, stands up for her family and her husband.
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: And when she had that speech about, let me tell
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: you about my husband, Terry DeBrow, who worked at KFC,
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: worked to the bone to be where he's at to
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: provide for his family. There's nothing wrong with having an inheritance.
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: That's just not his story. And he's such a jovial person.
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: He doesn't give a shit about a lot of things.
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: But there's one thing he does care about. And Vicky,
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: you need to shut up. I'm like, hey, As somebody
• 53:03
  Speaker 1: whose first job was KFC myself, Alexis, my first job
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: was KFC at 16. I agree with her.
• 53:10
  Speaker 3: I have a lot of thoughts on this.
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: First of all, her lip was quivering when she said,
• 53:14
  Speaker 2: just shut up. Like she literally does not want anyone
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: talking about Terry.
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: Okay. I love it.
• 53:20
  Speaker 3: And I love a woman.
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: And by the way, I don't have a lot of
• 53:24
  Speaker 2: bad things I could ever say about Terry to bro.
• 53:26
  Speaker 2: Cause you, when you meet him, it doesn't even matter
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: if her and I are going at it. Terry will
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: still like hug everyone and be a jovial. Like, like
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: she said, he lets everything roll off. He knows, he
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: knows this is an entertainment business. He's on a fricking
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: botched television show himself. He's done tons of TV work
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: in his life. He gets that you have to let
• 53:42
  Speaker 2: things roll off, but she did have that.
• 53:46
  Speaker 3: That's my first thought.
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: So I loved that she was sticking up for her
• 53:49
  Speaker 2: man because God be aware if anyone comes after John,
• 53:52
  Speaker 2: they all know I'm going to cut them off at
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: the fricking ankles. So, but with that said, your parents
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: don't have to be dead for you to be inheriting
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: money from them. Okay.
• 54:04
  Speaker 3: That's the first thing.
• 54:05
  Speaker 2: So good that she made that point, but Heather, you
• 54:09
  Speaker 2: guys probably have gotten a lot of money and a
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: lot of help in other areas from them.
• 54:13
  Speaker 3: Maybe not, but I'm just saying probably something in my mind.
• 54:16
  Speaker 3: And there is such this.
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: Big conspiracy theory about if Terry's brother left him any
• 54:23
  Speaker 2: money or was he broke and didn't leave any money.
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: I've heard from people that think they know it all
• 54:27
  Speaker 2: and they think one thing and, oh, she's told me
• 54:30
  Speaker 2: this and they did.
• 54:31
  Speaker 3: And then, oh, no, they don't. So I don't know.
• 54:33
  Speaker 3: And I don't give two cares about it.
• 54:36
  Speaker 2: I honestly, Carlos, am one of those that I'm like,
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: Who cares how anyone has their money if they're doing
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: it authentically, paying their taxes, not raping people to get
• 54:46
  Speaker 2: their money and meaning that with doing deals that are
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: bad or doing shady stuff. I'm just saying, I don't
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: care how you have your money. There's enough money to
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: go around for everybody. God bless you.
• 54:57
  Speaker 3: Love you.
• 54:57
  Speaker 2: Please donate to the children that are starving and to
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: whatever organization is in your heart.
• 55:04
  Speaker 3: So that's kind of where I feel. I'm over it.
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: I think it's stupid.
• 55:08
  Speaker 3: Who cares how she got her money?
• 55:10
  Speaker 2: I think people just want her to own it a
• 55:12
  Speaker 2: little bit and be like, okay, well, we did get
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: this much. I honestly think they want to see her
• 55:15
  Speaker 2: bank statement. Like, where did everything come from? How much
• 55:18
  Speaker 2: did he make at KFC his first year? Then how
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: much his second year? And how much did he invest
• 55:22
  Speaker 2: in that? What had to go to taxes?
• 55:23
  Speaker 3: Like, I thought he was making eight cents an hour
• 55:28
  Speaker 3: back then.
• 55:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I agree with you. I appreciated the fact
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: that she stood up for her man. I loved it.
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: I loved it.
• 55:42
  Speaker 2: It was one of the authentic moments. Her lip was
• 55:45
  Speaker 2: literally quivering when she said, shut up. Like, I mean,
• 55:49
  Speaker 2: that was so real. That was not an act because Heather,
• 55:52
  Speaker 2: she's an actress. She does have a, what's it called? IB,
• 55:54
  Speaker 2: whatever that thing is.
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: IMDB.
• 55:56
  Speaker 3: IMDB.
• 55:57
  Speaker 2: She does have one of those. But like she, that
• 55:59
  Speaker 2: was not one of those moments. That was an authentic moment.
• 56:03
  Speaker 1: Super authentic. Now, it's funny because I thought the first
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: half was sort of like the takedown of Vicky. But honey,
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: the end was a takedown of Heather. The ladies are
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: talking about Heather. Jen, once again, is like, look. We
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: all do feel like you are a different person off
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: camera than you are on camera. And yes, I wasn't...
• 56:29
  Speaker 1: Because Heather was like, I feel like you wanted, you know...
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: me to help you take down Tamra this season. And
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: Jen's like, no, no, no, no. We all had dinner
• 56:38
  Speaker 1: after last season's reunion. You were shit-talking Tamra. She said,
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: we all were. Poor Tamra having to sit.
• 56:45
  Speaker 3: Thank you for bringing that up. I never would have
• 56:47
  Speaker 3: even brought it up.
• 56:47
  Speaker 2: How horrible that Tamara has to sit there and know
• 56:50
  Speaker 2: everyone was at that dinner. By the way, I got
• 56:52
  Speaker 2: the phone call when she wasn't at that dinner. Guess
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: who she called and she was bummed about?
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: Me.
• 56:56
  Speaker 3: And I'm like, oh my God, this is horrible bullshit.
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: What did she say?
• 56:59
  Speaker 3: That was me last year. I'm not going to tell
• 57:00
  Speaker 3: you my personal stuff.
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Not the conversation,
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: but Tamara called you because she was aware. And she
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: was left out.
• 57:08
  Speaker 2: And by the way, I was, that was me season 18.
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: Everyone was like, oh, actually, let me just say some
• 57:14
  Speaker 2: real tea. Heather Dubrow's like, Let's all go to dinner
• 57:17
  Speaker 2: after the reunion. So I book a fucking hotel room.
• 57:20
  Speaker 2: In LA, thinking we're all gonna go. Then the reunion
• 57:23
  Speaker 2: goes the way it did.
• 57:24
  Speaker 3: And I'm shunned and everyone's talking over me. And obviously
• 57:27
  Speaker 3: this was the, like.
• 57:28
  Speaker 2: It was, they wanted me to not have any words.
• 57:30
  Speaker 2: They didn't, I had all the statements of everything showing
• 57:33
  Speaker 2: that Shannon didn't pay for everything.
• 57:35
  Speaker 3: We had forensic accounting. I had thousands and thousands.
• 57:37
  Speaker 2: Of dollars worth of work done to prove from all
• 57:41
  Speaker 2: the credit cards of what John spent on that relationship.
• 57:43
  Speaker 3: I was shut down. Nobody called me until the next day.
• 57:48
  Speaker 3: They all went.
• 57:49
  Speaker 2: Because I'm the black sheep, right, after that reunion. I'm
• 57:53
  Speaker 2: sitting there going, Johnny, I don't know what is going on.
• 57:56
  Speaker 2: They did that to Heather or they did that to
• 57:58
  Speaker 2: Tamara on season 19. So then we're pow-wowing about that.
• 58:02
  Speaker 2: And I'm like, well, it doesn't feel good, does it?
• 58:04
  Speaker 2: And it sucks. So I don't know what this whole, like,
• 58:07
  Speaker 2: it's almost like it's a sisterhood. But then if they
• 58:10
  Speaker 2: want to be, like, black sheep one person, they will.
• 58:13
  Speaker 2: And it's just bullshit. It's like we're all here to
• 58:16
  Speaker 2: do a job.
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 58:17
  Speaker 2: Put the steak in your mouth and let's all sit
• 58:19
  Speaker 2: around and talk about it and shut up about trauma now.
• 58:21
  Speaker 2: We've just done hours of it. Let's just eat our
• 58:24
  Speaker 2: mashed potatoes and steak and go on.
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: I felt so bad.
• 58:28
  Speaker 3: I felt so bad for Tamara.
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: I did too.
• 58:30
  Speaker 2: And then she's sitting there listening to all the women
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: talk about, yeah, we all went out and we were
• 58:33
  Speaker 2: all talking bad on you. Okay, well, at least I'm
• 58:36
  Speaker 2: bringing the show, people, is what Tamara should have said.
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: And that's what she's proving.
• 58:42
  Speaker 3: I'm still bringing the show, girls, even though I have
• 58:45
  Speaker 3: a muzzle on. Hey.
• 58:48
  Speaker 1: What did you think about the fact that, allegedly, Heather
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: told production that Carmella is trashy and she should not
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: be on the show?
• 59:01
  Speaker 3: I believed it.
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: I believe it, too. 100%. You know why? She absolutely
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: said it.
• 59:07
  Speaker 3: You know why else, Carlos? She didn't deny it.
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: She didn't.
• 59:10
  Speaker 3: Didn't deny it. She didn't say, I never said that.
• 59:13
  Speaker 3: That's not true. She just kind of took it. She
• 59:16
  Speaker 3: never denied that that came out of her mouth. So
• 59:20
  Speaker 3: I believed it.
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: I do too. I do too.
• 59:24
  Speaker 3: And I also think it should.
• 59:25
  Speaker 2: Be, I think it should be something Carmela puts in
• 59:27
  Speaker 2: her pocket, her back pocket. I think it should be
• 59:30
  Speaker 2: something Carmela's like, ah, good to know. Don't need to
• 59:32
  Speaker 2: make a big deal about it, but it's back there.
• 59:35
  Speaker 3: It's in there. My credit card's in my back pocket.
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: To even say her zebra hair was trashy?
• 59:43
  Speaker 2: Who, okay, I want to ask you, who said that though?
• 59:46
  Speaker 2: Was that supposedly Heather that said that?
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 59:50
  Speaker 3: Or was it a different housewife?
• 59:51
  Speaker 1: No, she said it. So when Heather and Carmela had lunch,
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: And after that lunch, a picture was posted, I believe
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: on Heather's page. Shannon and Heather talk. And Shannon said
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: that Heather was like, yeah, well, you should see how
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 1: she looks now. The picture she just posted of us.
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: And Shannon was like, what? She's like, yeah, that zebra hair,
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: she looks trashy. Shannon said she had to go home
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: and look at it from her Instagram. Oh, it was Heather.
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 3: You're right, because that's when Shannon said it. You're right,
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 3: it is Heather.
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 2: Heather said it, so then Shannon went home. And Heather
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 2: tries to get out of that, too. And Shannon's like,
• 1:00:38
  Speaker 2: you're not getting out of this. I'm not.
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 3: I went home and had to look because of what
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 3: you said. So I believe Shannon in that one. I do, too.
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 3: I try to be objective, guys. Not a hater.
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 1: No. Objective. Heather said it, and here's the deal. Not
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 1: only did she not deny it, that's Heather's character. Let's
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: not pretend that Heather is above thinking someone's beneath her. Like,
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: stop it. Just saying. Okay. What did you think about
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: the last line when she told Gina, well, maybe we're not,
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: I'm paraphrasing, of course, but Well, maybe we're not going
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 1: to paraphrase.
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 3: I'll tell you. I'll tell you exactly. I won't have
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 3: to paraphrase.
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  Speaker 1: Go ahead, girl.
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  Speaker 2: She said, she said, you know, maybe I need strong,
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 2: independent self or confident women and maybe to be my friend.
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  Speaker 2: And maybe that's just not you. I thought she rehearsed
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 2: that one.
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: She did. She did. A rehearsed read, honey. Yes.
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 2: The shaky lip with Terry was not rehearsed, but I
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 2: thought that one, I'm like.
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 3: I don't know. Maybe you thought that went up in
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 3: the car on the way there.
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  Speaker 1: Yes. Yes. No. I thought it was rehearsed. And on
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: top of that, let's be clear. I think it's so
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: interesting that people just don't see Heather for who she is.
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: And maybe they do. They don't give a shit. Heather
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: is pretentious as hell. That's who she is. Her real
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: friends live in her zip code because she doesn't live
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 1: in OC anymore. And she looks at all these bitches
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: as they're beneath her. She actually does. Like, she doesn't
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: really like Tamra. She doesn't like Carmella. She doesn't like Shannon.
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: She doesn't like Gina or Emily. She doesn't like anybody.
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 1: But she tolerates them.
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 3: I don't know if she gave Emily a frickin' Chanel necklace.
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: Honey, for the help of the bro, that's a box
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 1: of cereal.
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 2: Okay, well, I'm going to take it one step further,
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 2: and no one's going to like what I'm going to
• 1:02:44
  Speaker 2: say right now. I think that, but I believe it,
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 2: so I have a right right now to say what
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 2: I want to believe, or I have a right to.
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 3: Say what I believe.
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 2: I think Heather saying that to Gina was such kind
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 2: of a self-projection thing because I believe Heather's mom stated
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 2: it very scary to the best of all things when
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 2: she said, you have a hard time making fun of
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 2: yourself and laughing at yourself. I think Heather is probably
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 2: one of the most insecure people deep down.
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 3: She does do a really good job of not seeming it.
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 2: But I think by what everyone reads off of her,
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 2: I think she's probably deep down one of the most insecure.
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 3: Of the girls.
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 1: Yes. I agree. I agree.
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 2: I kind of chuckled when she said that to Gina.
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 2: It made me chuckle because I was like.
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: Projection much? Yeah.
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 3: That's just what I read.
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 1: Could be true.
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 2: Might not be true, but that's okay. We're not here
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 2: to write books of science. We're here to talk about feelings,
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 2: and that's what we're doing.
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 1: And I agree with you. Because when you have to
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 1: treat people a certain way based on classism, I think
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 1: not only does it say a lot about your character...
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 1: I think it has a lot to say about your
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 1: own insecurities. And it goes to show Gina to me that,
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 1: and I said this, remember, a few weeks ago, the
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: reason why Heather did not give Gina the listing is
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 1: because Heather wants to keep Gina here.
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 3: Did you see where we both put our hands?
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 1: We did.
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 2: We literally are telepathic, Carlos, I swear.
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 3: We both did the same thing.
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: Same thing. She wants to keep Gina as beneath her
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 1: as she can so that she could always feel like
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 1: I have one up on you. That's why Heather is insecure.
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 1: That's why Heather's friends, when Heather got back on the
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 1: show and she had this party at her house, and
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 1: I got a chance to see her real friends, it
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 1: gave me Mar-a-Lago. It was just a bunch of pretentiousness.
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 1: It was no shade. I mean, I'm saying it. So
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 1: that's me. It just gave me very much the snootiness
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: and very much like... I don't care to see Heather's
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 1: friends anyway, but I agree with Alexis. Period.
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 2: So.
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 3: I'm trying to think back.
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 2: You had me thinking back to the scene where it
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 2: was at her house. I'm like thinking, I'm like, I
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 2: want to go back and watch that now.
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 1: Oh, watch it. It was, it was, it was, it
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: was just, it was a bunch of like snootiness and
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 1: like she, she, foo, foo. And I don't mind she, she, foo, foo,
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 1: but I like it when it's like, like, for example,
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 1: I'll give you a really good example of a she, she, foo, foo.
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 1: Like Kathy Hilton and she, she, foo, foo.
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 3: But she's also so not. She's both.
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 1: No, but that's my point.
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 3: She's not doing she-she-foo-foo because she's she-she-foo-foo. That's my point.
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 2: But she's also very down-to-earth and will make fun of
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 2: herself when she trips and falls down.
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 3: She starts laughing. It's two different worlds.
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 1: That's my point.
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 2: And it's also old money versus newer money. So it's
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 2: a little she-she. I don't think they're in the same category.
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 1: There you go. I think that.
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 2: I think true– this is the thing I love that
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 2: Gina said. When you have to talk so much about something,
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 2: it's actually the thing you have the least of. That
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 2: works with self-confidence too because if you have to– if
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 2: you're so she-she-foo-foo that you– it's all that you know
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 2: and you can't trip and fall and then pick your
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 2: nose and be like, oh, my God, I am human.
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 2: It's like, I don't know. That's the thing I think
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 2: that people are starting to see. But that's– Gina had
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 2: a lot of good one-liners this season.
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 1: A lot of questions.
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 3: Like the shiny sandbox one.
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 2: And then every house, but there's just good ones that
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 2: she's just, and I don't think she sits and rehearses them.
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 1: No.
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 3: She literally is just there and it just comes out.
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 3: Like she's just witty.
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 1: The only thing Gina rehearses are her TikToks. I think
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 1: everything else.
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 3: Which are funny.
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 3: We make fun of it.
• 1:07:16
  Speaker 1: I love it. No, that was a compliment. She only
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 1: rehearses on TikTok. I don't know where the.
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 2: Hours in a day come from. She must sleep two
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 2: hours a day. Cause those take a long time. Where
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 2: does she take one of those? Is she doing one
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 2: of those injections that everyone's doing? But this one is like,
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 2: you don't need as much sleep. But it's the one
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 2: where isn't there one you can shoot up that you
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 2: could stay.
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 3: You're a robot. You can stay.
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 1: I'm natural.
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 3: It's just, I'm just dying. I mean, Hey, she gets
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 3: the hours in a day, but good job. That's all
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 3: I'm going to say. So anyway, I was happy with
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 3: reunion one. It's going to be a snooze fest.
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 2: I'm going to be honest. But I thought they figured
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 2: out how to bring it. And I can't wait to
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 2: see number two.
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 3: Two looked good.
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 1: I'm glad they didn't stretch it to three. I think they,
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 1: I think it was smart to give up.
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 3: It would have been boring.
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 1: Yes. Give us two good solid hours. And I think
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 1: that's what they did.
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 3: Go ahead.
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 2: The best part is that we get to see Tamara
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 2: naked at the end of all this. I've been waiting
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 2: my whole life because she did the hot tub thing.
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 2: Now we get her fully naked in the pool.
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 3: Okay, there we go.
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 1: I can't wait. I can't wait. And so raindrops, next week,
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 1: Alexis and I will give our list.
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but it's our last one.
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 1: It's our last one for the season.
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 3: The 20 is over, but I'm so excited to see
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 3: what we think.
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 1: So next week, Raindrops, the moment for Alexis and I
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 1: to give our final list of who we think should
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 1: come back for season 21.
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 3: I know there's one we are not going to agree on.
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 1: Really?
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 3: She's on both of mine.
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 1: She's on the.
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 2: First one when we did the quick first one and
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 2: then the one.
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 1: I just did. Yeah.
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 3: She's on both.
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 1: So you don't think I'm going to agree with one
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 1: of yours?
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 2: I think there's only going to be one. And you know,
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 2: now that I'm looking, because I did not, I did not,
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 2: let me look.
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 3: Oh, my lists are almost identical. There's only one that's
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 3: off of it now.
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 1: Okay. So we'll see.
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 3: I can't wait to share.
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 2: Ooh.
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 1: Ooh. Okay. So, Raindrops, don't forget to subscribe to my
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 1: YouTube channel at thecarlosking underscore so you can watch Alexis
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 1: and I as well. Listen to us too. Alexis, I
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 1: can't wait for this list next week, girl.
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 3: Love you. Can't wait.
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 1: Love you. Have a good weekend.
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 2: Bye.
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 3: Bye, Raindrops.
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 1: Bye.