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The Late Debate | 25 September · The Late Debate

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Speaker 1: General, welcome the late base.
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Speaker 2: Great to have your company. I'm James Macpherson with Liz
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Speaker 2: Storra and Caleb Bond. Coming up a Chinese zoo forced
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Speaker 2: to admit that the pandas everybody was paying to see
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Speaker 2: were actually dogs painted black and white. Amazing nobody figured
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Speaker 2: it out. Will show you that a little later. Plus
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Speaker 2: when we look at the papers. International students about to
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Speaker 2: storm the tribunal en mass protesting visa cancelations, and the
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Speaker 2: Northern Territory government splashing around money in a bid to
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Speaker 2: attract new residents. We'll get to that when we look
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Speaker 2: at tomorrow's news. But first, and I don't want to
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Speaker 2: get too excited about this because it's still early days,
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Speaker 2: but there's a new trend among local councils that seems
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Speaker 2: to be catching on. Councils are increasingly starting to ask
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Speaker 2: residents what they want instead of simply imposing woke nonsense
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Speaker 2: upon them.
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Speaker 1: Now.
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Speaker 2: It all started on Monday night, when the only council
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Speaker 2: in South Australia voted to return Australia Day celebrations to
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Speaker 2: January twenty six, after a poll of citizens found sixty
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Speaker 2: percent of them had always wanted Australia Day celebrations to
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Speaker 2: be on the traditional day. And tonight we can tell
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Speaker 2: you that Rockingham Council in Western Australia has just voted
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Speaker 2: to do the exact same thing. Now Rockingham Council likes
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Speaker 2: so many councils around this country moved Australia Day celebrations
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Speaker 2: away from January twenty six without ever consulting rate payers.
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Speaker 2: But when they randomly surveyed ten thousand households lo and behold,
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Speaker 2: they were shocked to discover sixty three percent of people
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Speaker 2: had never wanted the date to be moved. And so
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Speaker 2: this week, ten out of twelve councilors voted to restore
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Speaker 2: ceremonies to the rightful date. So it's a win for
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Speaker 2: common sense and it's a win for representative government. Lizen Caleber.
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Speaker 2: Imagine if our representatives started surveying the people they represent
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Speaker 2: as to how they would like to be represented in
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Speaker 2: this country, come up with a brand new form of
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Speaker 2: government called, I don't know, representative democracy. Possibility sounds incredible,
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Speaker 2: an I get one.
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Speaker 3: This is amazing and here's hoping it's a trend that
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Speaker 3: really takes off a lot of these councils surprisingly made
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Speaker 3: this move last year when, of course there was a
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Speaker 3: lot of talk about the voice, and initially it was
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Speaker 3: looking popular in the polls. So I think a lot
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Speaker 3: of councils just took it upon themselves to assume, we
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Speaker 3: know what our people want. They clearly want the date change.
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Speaker 3: We're all virtue signaling in the direction of voting big
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Speaker 3: fat yes at the referendum. Of course, as the months
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Speaker 3: continued and the referendum day became closer and closer, it
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Speaker 3: became very obvious in the polls that this thing had
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Speaker 3: a snowflake's chance in hell of getting up. So you
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Speaker 3: do wonder how many of these councils that has been
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Speaker 3: part of the onus for them going, you know what,
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Speaker 3: we probably need to revisit this.
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Speaker 4: That hats off to Ony council, hats off.
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Speaker 3: To Rockingham, because this is quite a humbling thing for
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Speaker 3: a council to do. They don't then have to go
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Speaker 3: back and ask the residents and then act accordingly. But
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Speaker 3: it's interesting to note that in each of these instances
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Speaker 3: it was the residents getting in touch with their councilors.
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Speaker 3: I used to be a city councilor seriously, people smash
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Speaker 3: them with your emails. Get in their numbers matter because
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Speaker 3: it drives them to take action like this and yes,
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Speaker 3: even reverse their own decisions.
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Speaker 1: Well you know what I mean. Most of the correspondence
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Speaker 1: councilors received, as you would know, is from wackos. Usually
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Speaker 1: busybodies send ten emails a day to complain about things.
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Speaker 1: So we need more normal people to come out and
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Speaker 1: say what they actually think. I think what's happened here
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Speaker 1: is that people are actually starting to feel more comfortable
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Speaker 1: to say that they like Australia Days. The moment I
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Speaker 1: think all of this turned was January this year, when,
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Speaker 1: of course Woolworth's to say I did that they wouldn't
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Speaker 1: have any Australia Day paraphernalia for sale in their supermarkets,
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Speaker 1: and there was quite a public backlash that then forced
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Speaker 1: Woolworths to actually stock some gear and say, oh no,
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Speaker 1: we never meant that in the first blaze. Don't worry,
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Speaker 1: I rubbish. We know what they were trying to do.
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Speaker 1: But it was the first time I feel like people
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Speaker 1: actually stood up and said, no, we want Australia Day
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Speaker 1: to be celebrated on January the twenty sixth, and I
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Speaker 1: think that's emboldened people to actually come out and say
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Speaker 1: what they think. The Voice has probably played a small
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Speaker 1: part in that as well, because it was proof that
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Speaker 1: the silent majority is actually the majority. Even though most
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Speaker 1: of the media was taken up by people saying must
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Speaker 1: vote yes, you must vote yes, et cetera, et cetera.
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Speaker 1: The activists haven't taken any notice of it. They're just
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Speaker 1: going hell for leather and pretending none of this ever happened.
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Speaker 1: But real Australians are actually feeling like they can show
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Speaker 1: a bit of national pride and thank God for that.
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Speaker 1: I just hope this catches on and other council's cotton
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Speaker 1: on and go, well, hang on, maybe we should commission
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Speaker 1: a survey of our residents as well. What a novel
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Speaker 1: idea asking them what they want. Now, look, it is
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Speaker 1: better if you do that before you make decisions instead
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Speaker 1: of after making decisions. That would be ideal. But we
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Speaker 1: must give credit where it is due to Onley and
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Speaker 1: Rockingham for taking notice of their residents when they've come
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Speaker 1: through with their views. And it's interesting to note as
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Speaker 1: well that of the people who were polled in this
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Speaker 1: survey by Rockingham, of the Indigenous people who were polled,
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Speaker 1: even the majority of them said they would prefer Australia
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Speaker 1: Day celebrations to be on Australia Day itself. I mean,
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Speaker 1: how much clearer can it be? And let's hope it
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Speaker 1: keeps going. There's a campaign going in Adelaide now after
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Speaker 1: the only council decision on Monday night up in the
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Speaker 1: Adelaide Hills to get their council to reverse their decision.
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Speaker 1: A bunch of residents have banded together. They're running a campaign.
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Speaker 1: I think we've got a photograph here of some good
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Speaker 1: local patriots fund pay us action group where it is.
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Speaker 1: There's even a petition that's gone around up there, a
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Speaker 1: thousand signatory saying that they want Australia Day back where
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Speaker 1: it is. We need to see more of this because
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Speaker 1: I know sometimes it can feel like you're swimming against
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Speaker 1: the tide and that your vote really doesn't matter, and
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Speaker 1: your view really doesn't matter because everyone you hear in
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Speaker 1: the media and your counselors and your politicians isn't taking
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Speaker 1: much notice of what you're saying. But what we have
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Speaker 1: here is concrete proof that we can actually make a difference.
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Speaker 1: Ordinary Australians have to speak up about the things in
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Speaker 1: which they are interested and the things in which they believe.
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Speaker 2: The other interesting part of this, and you mentioned it, Liz,
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Speaker 2: is that since the Voice referendum, people have been emboldened.
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Speaker 2: It was about sixty percent nationally that voted against the Voice.
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Speaker 2: In Only it was sixty percent that voted to keep
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Speaker 2: Australia Day on January twenty six. In Rockingham it's been
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Speaker 2: sixty three percent. So that number seems to be fairly
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Speaker 2: consistent so far and overwhelmingly means a majority of Australians
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Speaker 2: aren't interested in race wars, aren't interested in revising everything.
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Speaker 2: As one of the residents from the Adelaide Hills who
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Speaker 2: we just pictured on screen said, history is history. Some
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Speaker 2: of it's good, some of it's bad. We've got to
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Speaker 2: move on with the world and get on as Australians.
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Speaker 2: I think that's the overwhelming sentiment. And so let's hope
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Speaker 2: this momentum continues.
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Speaker 3: Well, don patriots, we ride at dawn for King and Country.
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Speaker 3: And it's interesting to note that that Ratepayers Association in
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Speaker 3: the Hills there who are on this bandwagon to get
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Speaker 3: their council to overturn their decision as well.
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Speaker 4: They said, if you don't.
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Speaker 3: We're organizing our own massive extravaganza in Federation Park on
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Speaker 3: January twenty sixth anyway.
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Speaker 4: So you can sob the National Day.
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Speaker 3: But we won't be to the UN General Assembly now
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Speaker 3: because we love paying out on these guys, so when
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Speaker 3: they sit, we pay attention. And one of our favorites,
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Speaker 3: Argentinian President Javier Malay, took the podium today to give
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Speaker 3: them a piece of his mind. It's no secret that
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Speaker 3: he's no fan of the UN. And the funny thing
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Speaker 3: about this is when he takes the podium, he's no
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Speaker 3: laughing matter. Since coming to power in December of last year,
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Speaker 3: he's done so many of the things that he promised.
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Speaker 3: In fact, Argentina's share sorry not stock market, I was
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Speaker 3: about to say shareholders, that would be very nice, but
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Speaker 3: you might want to invest in Argentina.
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Speaker 4: Once I've told you this.
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Speaker 3: Argentina's stock market has surged more than forty four percent,
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Speaker 3: making it the top performing this year. This guy has
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Speaker 3: achieved wonders. He has slashed federal agencies by half from
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Speaker 3: eighteen to nine. He's slashed public spending by thirty percent.
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Speaker 3: And would you believe it when you're slash public spending.
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Speaker 3: What happens inflation goes down. When he came to power
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Speaker 3: in December, it was twenty five percent inflation in December.
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Speaker 3: It now sits at a humble four point two percent
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Speaker 3: in comparison. So they know that they can't can't laugh
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Speaker 3: this guy off stage even as he's going full Skirch
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Speaker 3: scorched earth on them, completely condemning their patch for the
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Speaker 3: future which they all signed up to. On Sunday, he
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Speaker 3: took the podium to say Argentina.
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Speaker 4: Wouldn't be having a bar of it.
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Speaker 3: He called it socialist, and he said that instead Argentina
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Speaker 3: will be a vanguard for freedom.
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Speaker 4: Here he is.
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Speaker 5: This organization stopped looking after its main aim set out
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Speaker 5: in its founding declaration and started to change. This was
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Speaker 5: an organization that had essentially been thought up as a
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Speaker 5: shield to protect the rain of men, and it became
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Speaker 5: the leviathan with various tentacles purporting to decide not only
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Speaker 5: what not only what each nation state should do, but
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Speaker 5: also how all the citizens in the world should live.
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Speaker 5: That's how we move from being an organization that pursued
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Speaker 5: peace to an organization that imposes an ideolog ideology on
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Speaker 5: its members about an endless list of topics in society.
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Speaker 3: Well, it's far less rousing having a female with a
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Speaker 3: meat mouse like voice voice it for him. But I'm
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Speaker 3: telling you he went scorched earth. This was exactly what
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Speaker 3: he did at the World Economics Davos in January, where
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Speaker 3: he basically just attended to tell them how trash they
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Speaker 3: were and that he wasn't signing up to any of
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Speaker 3: their agendas. I love that he still bothers to attend
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Speaker 3: and they still give him the platform, knowing that he's
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Speaker 3: just going.
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Speaker 4: To do it again.
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Speaker 1: Well he stares him down. He just looks them straight
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Speaker 1: in the eye and tells him exactly what he thinks.
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Speaker 1: And we are so lacking in political leaders like that
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Speaker 1: these days, who are willing to stand up for conviction.
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Speaker 1: I mean, we need to get Harvey Malay here and
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Speaker 1: run all of the councils and you wouldn't have to
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Speaker 1: worry about Australia Day not being held on January twenty six.
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Speaker 1: And the funniest thing about this Pact for the Future
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Speaker 1: that most of the UN signed up to this week
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Speaker 1: is that the whole idea of it is to save
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Speaker 1: the UN from becoming, you know, no longer a force
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Speaker 1: in the world because even the UN realizes now that
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Speaker 1: they are on the nose. Antonio Guterres, bloke who runs
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Speaker 1: a shop, said this will bring multilateralism back from the brink.
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Speaker 1: I mean, that was the whole point of this pack
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Speaker 1: for the future, which by the way, says we've got
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Speaker 1: to go faster towards the boards and all of this
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Speaker 1: sort of thing. But they're just openly admitting we're a
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Speaker 1: bit stuffed here. We've lost our way. As Malay said, there,
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Speaker 1: the whole reason the UN was set up was to
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Speaker 1: stop conflict in the world, and you've utterly failed in
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Speaker 1: your duty to do that. They know that they've come
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Speaker 1: up with some cockeyed idea about will go faster towards baris.
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Speaker 1: He said, for even's sake, you are no good anymore.
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Speaker 1: Just pack it in, go home, let us run our
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Speaker 1: own countries.
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Speaker 2: Good on him, and he went beyond that, and he
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Speaker 2: explained why the UN has lost all of its credibility
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Speaker 2: because it has no moral authority. He talked about the
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Speaker 2: fact that the United Nations is meant to stand for
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Speaker 2: human rights and yet has some of the worst human
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Speaker 2: rights abuses on those committees. He talked about the that Afghanistan,
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Speaker 2: which won't allow women to show any bare skin in public,
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Speaker 2: is on the Committee for Women's Rights. And then he
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Speaker 2: promised those at the United Nations that Argentina would end
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Speaker 2: its long history of neutrality when it came to votes
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Speaker 2: at the United Nations, and he said, we don't care
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Speaker 2: who proposes what idea. We don't care whether there's consensus,
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Speaker 2: whether it's popular or not. We will take an active
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Speaker 2: stance in voting for freedom and for human rights, freedom
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Speaker 2: of speech, freedom of religion, freedom of ownership of property,
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Speaker 2: limited government. And he said Argentina, from this point on,
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Speaker 2: I'm not just going to sit back, and I'm thinking
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Speaker 2: about this with Penny Wong's recent decision for Australia to
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Speaker 2: be neutral when it came to that vote on Israel,
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Speaker 2: because we don't want to upset people. We don't only
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Speaker 2: get involved, we're trying to play politics. And Malia simply
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Speaker 2: saying I will be a person of conviction and of
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Speaker 2: principle and you can count on that from Argentina. And
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Speaker 2: I am looking for a airline ticket because it sounds like
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Speaker 2: a pretty good place to be. And of course he
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Speaker 2: ended the speech with his now famous line which I
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Speaker 2: guess it's the second time I've heard him do it.
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Speaker 1: I don't know.
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Speaker 2: You've probably heard more.
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Speaker 1: Of him than I have.
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Speaker 2: But what does he say? Long Live Freedom? And then
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Speaker 2: he ends up live freedom damn it and leaves the stage.
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Speaker 2: So he's quite the showman. But as you said, Liz,
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Speaker 2: he's got the credibility to back it up.
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Speaker 4: They have to listen to him.
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Speaker 3: It's working for him, leaving, walking, breathing, talking proof of
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Speaker 3: how quickly a country can turn around under the right leadership.
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Speaker 3: Which is why I always joke about our government. You
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Speaker 3: can't be this bad at your job accidentally. It's not
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Speaker 3: an accident. You know what is conducive to human flourishing,
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Speaker 3: You know what is conducive to a flourishing economy. You
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Speaker 3: won't even admit that government spending drives inflation. You guys
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Speaker 3: are still just spending it like it's well, not your money,
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Speaker 3: it's our money, so you don't care. These guys are
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Speaker 3: not doing the most basic things.
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Speaker 4: Every time we talk.
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Speaker 3: About our failing birth Rateyett, No matter what we're talking about,
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Speaker 3: our government is falling short. These guy's only been in
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Speaker 3: the job a matter of months, and the transformation Argentina
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Speaker 3: has seen under this man's leadership is just extraordinary. But
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Speaker 3: it's a big I guess embarrassment to others looking on
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Speaker 3: because he's showing them up. This is just what one
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Speaker 3: strong leader who genuinely loves his country, who genuinely wants
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Speaker 3: the best for his people, this is what he can
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Speaker 3: pull off. And he doesn't go to places like the UN.
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Speaker 3: He doesn't go to places like the World Economic Forum.
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Speaker 4: To press the flesh and just fit in and not
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Speaker 4: be awkward.
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Speaker 3: He goes there to act absolutely like full barrels blasting,
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Speaker 3: tell them what he thinks of them, and say, you
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Speaker 3: guys don't do what's best for us. You don't do
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Speaker 3: what's best for any of these people signing up to
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Speaker 3: this pact.
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Speaker 4: We're not in on it.
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Speaker 3: And he said in his speech, I encourage all you
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Speaker 3: other follow me, follow my example.
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Speaker 4: Don't sign up to this crap.
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Speaker 1: You're onto a trick going to Argentina. I've got to say, James,
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Speaker 1: they have great steak over there, and they have very
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Speaker 1: good red wine. I'm going to join you if we're
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Speaker 1: going over there. And just very briefly, while we're talking
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Speaker 1: about the UN, Joe Biden got up and gave a
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Speaker 1: speech as well, sort of you know, closing out his
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Speaker 1: presidency and revising history. And he was talking about pulling
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Speaker 1: out of Afghanistan, which James mentioned before, and he said
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Speaker 1: it was a hard decision, but the right decision. Well, yes,
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Speaker 1: tell that to the troops who died over there, and
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Speaker 1: tell that to the Taliban. Well, they think it was
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Speaker 1: the right decision because of course you left all your
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Speaker 1: weapons behind and they just simply moved in and took them.
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Speaker 1: Well done, hard decision, but the right decision. Give me
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Speaker 1: a break. While we're on overseas news, Harvey and Malay
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Speaker 1: and Biden have been speaking at the UN. Sir Kia Stama,
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Speaker 1: of course, the new Prime Minister of the United Kingdom
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Speaker 1: has been speaking at the Labor Conference. And I tell
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Speaker 1: you what he has come through with a chilling warning.
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Speaker 1: Now he does not know it is a chilling warning.
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Speaker 1: He's hid it straight faced as though it's a good thing.
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Speaker 1: But it should be taken as a warning. Sir Kia
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Speaker 1: has promised to take more control of your life. Take
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Speaker 1: a listen.
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Speaker 6: Markets don't give you control. That's almost literally their point.
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Speaker 6: So if you want a country with more control, if
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Speaker 6: you want the great forces that affect your community to
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Speaker 6: be better managed, whether that's migration, climate change, law and order,
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Speaker 6: or security at work. Then that does mean more decisive government,
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Speaker 6: and that is a labor government. Taking back control is
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Speaker 6: a labor.
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Speaker 1: Argument, taking back control, by which he means you have
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Speaker 1: less choice and less freedom and the government makes more
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Speaker 1: decisions for you. He's not even hiding it, he's not
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Speaker 1: lying about it, saying this is Labor Party policy. We
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Speaker 1: control run your life as much as humanly possible. In fact,
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Speaker 1: he says that is the point of government. Well, I'll
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Speaker 1: tell you what, you've done, a bloody bad job of
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Speaker 1: it for the last one hundred odd years, there and
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Speaker 1: here and everywhere else. As if we want to give
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Speaker 1: them more control. But he's like, sure, you gave me
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Speaker 1: a massive majority. I'm just going to take over the
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Speaker 1: old joint. He reminds me, to fix.
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Speaker 3: Your problems, give us more power, make it all go away.
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Speaker 1: Ignoring that they created the problems in the first place.
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Speaker 4: This should be utterly terrified.
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Speaker 3: I mean, I watched this entire speech and I was
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Speaker 3: just like, this is some totalitarian, tyrannical crap. This guy
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Speaker 3: is saying, in a very authoritative manner, he used the
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Speaker 3: words control or uncontrolled fifteen times uncontrolled to use to
17:53
Speaker 3: refer to things that need more control. And of course
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Speaker 3: he's talking about more government interfere and this was such
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Speaker 3: a stark contrast to remember when he gave his first
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Speaker 3: speech as Prime minister and he literally said, I quote
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Speaker 3: that he would tread more lightly on your lives end quote.
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Speaker 3: What what's changed, kids, Darma?
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Speaker 4: Now it's all about control.
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Speaker 1: We need more control.
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Speaker 4: Any problems that we have is due to a lack
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Speaker 4: of control.
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Speaker 3: It's utterly completely unveiled their real agenda and the real
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Speaker 3: nature of the man who's now elected to be Prime minister.
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Speaker 2: As I'm watching his speech today, I'm reminded of Ronald
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Speaker 2: Reagan's words the nine most terrifying words in the English language.
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Speaker 2: I'm from the government and.
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Speaker 1: I'm here to help.
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Speaker 2: When did anybody ever believe that giving the government more
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Speaker 2: control was going to make things better? The one thing
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Speaker 2: I did like about his speech is he promised that
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Speaker 2: he was not afraid to be unpopular, and on that score,
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Speaker 2: I'd say he's doing very well because he's increasingly unpopular.
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Speaker 2: The Daily Telegraph, which reported his speech, or sorry The
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Speaker 2: Telegraph in the UK, which reported his speech had at
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Speaker 2: last count I think it was just over six thousand
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Speaker 2: comments on that particular news report, which is astonishing that
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Speaker 2: of quick flick through there were no positive ones at all. So,
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Speaker 2: you know, we've talked about all that's going on in
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Speaker 2: the United Nations. It's very interesting. The clampdown on freedoms
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Speaker 2: in the UK, that's fascinating. There's the US presidential election
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Speaker 2: at the moment, assassination attempts on Trump News that there
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Speaker 2: are five hit squads after him. All of that is
19:33
Speaker 2: very interesting. So when you turn on the World Today
19:36
Speaker 2: on ABC Radio, you'd expect to get updated on all
19:39
Speaker 2: of these things. In fact, the ABC's premier radio program
19:43
Speaker 2: advertises itself as presenting events and issues of interest and
19:47
Speaker 2: importance to all Australians.
19:50
Speaker 1: So we turned it on.
19:51
Speaker 2: Today and we heard that Ballarat has a transgender op shop.
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Speaker 7: An inclusive opshop has opened in Regional Victoria, providing a
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Speaker 7: safe space for gender diverse people to swap, try on
20:04
Speaker 7: and purchase clothes. It all started two years ago in
20:07
Speaker 7: one woman's garage in Ballarat. Is a way to give
20:10
Speaker 7: the local trans and gender diverse community a chance to
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Speaker 7: find gender affirming clothes Now, thanks to some community fundraising
20:18
Speaker 7: and a grant, the shop is out of the garage
20:21
Speaker 7: and onto the street from Ballarat. Rhannon Stevens prepared this
20:24
Speaker 7: report nice.
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Speaker 3: Jas ten bucks.
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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, it's.
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Speaker 8: A bargain, yes for Ballarat resident Charlotte Johnson. She says
20:35
Speaker 8: when she first transitioned, her style was constantly changing, so
20:39
Speaker 8: having an affordable place to buy clothes is really helpful.
20:42
Speaker 1: You think you know what.
20:43
Speaker 9: You want and then the next day you go, oh,
20:44
Speaker 9: I hate this song now, I hate what I'm wearing
20:46
Speaker 9: now to want to change it that quickly as well,
20:49
Speaker 9: if you can walk in and go, oh, I just
20:51
Speaker 9: want to grab like a couple of things. I think
20:53
Speaker 9: this is what I want to look like now, and
20:55
Speaker 9: then maybe next week you go, oh god, I hate
20:57
Speaker 9: what I've got now.
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Speaker 2: God bless all the people using that fine facility. But
21:02
Speaker 2: events and issues of interest and importance to all Australians,
21:05
Speaker 2: we do you reckon that would rank in importance to
21:07
Speaker 2: all Australians.
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Speaker 1: I mean, it's just such an ABC story, isn't it.
21:12
Speaker 1: I mean I brought to the story the other night
21:14
Speaker 1: about how the ABC was saying that television was now
21:18
Speaker 1: quote unquote vehemently bisexual. I mean, you know who's thought
21:22
Speaker 1: about this, No one who cares about it. No one.
21:25
Speaker 1: And you can imagine my shock this afternoon. I do
21:28
Speaker 1: actually listen to the World Today most days because my god, Blase,
21:33
Speaker 1: I think it pays to see what the enemy is saying.
21:37
Speaker 1: And I got to say, they do actually do a
21:39
Speaker 1: fair bit of decent work and journalism on that program.
21:42
Speaker 1: But they then rounded out today by telling us about
21:45
Speaker 1: a transgender op shop in Ballarat, Like nowhere else would
21:50
Speaker 1: that get a run except the ABC. It goes to
21:52
Speaker 1: prove I suppose that the ABC knows their audience well,
21:55
Speaker 1: because most ABC listeners were probably listening to the Oh,
21:59
Speaker 1: isn't that lovely? There's a transgender op shop in Ballarat.
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Speaker 1: I thought a transgender person could go to the same
22:06
Speaker 1: op shops as the rest of us. I mean it's
22:08
Speaker 1: said they're, oh, you know, I changed my mind every
22:11
Speaker 1: ten minutes about what I want to wear. I mean,
22:12
Speaker 1: that just sounds like every woman I've ever known, for
22:15
Speaker 1: Heaven's sake. But they pointed out in this story that
22:18
Speaker 1: apparently Ballarat ten percent of their population identifies as LGBTIQ,
22:24
Speaker 1: which is twice the national average. Ballarat, of all places.
22:30
Speaker 1: Many times I like Ballarat. It's a bloody cold place,
22:33
Speaker 1: I can tell you. But I've got no idea why
22:35
Speaker 1: they would have such a high rate. But obviously it's
22:37
Speaker 1: enough of a market for a transgender op shop.
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Speaker 3: Well, I just don't see how it would differ from
22:41
Speaker 3: a normal op shop, Like these people don't wear different
22:45
Speaker 3: clothes to us.
22:46
Speaker 4: I mean, because I turn over my wardrobe so much,
22:52
Speaker 4: I can go in and it's ten bucks. I'm like,
22:54
Speaker 4: that's every op shop. That's what op shops do. I
22:57
Speaker 4: would know. I'm a very avid opshop on myself.
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Speaker 2: Now, the point of it is, if you're a biological
23:03
Speaker 2: man and you're looking to buy a dress and you
23:05
Speaker 2: go into a women's clothing store, the people are concerned
23:09
Speaker 2: with this op shop said, you know, you feel judged
23:11
Speaker 2: and so this is a place where no one's going
23:14
Speaker 2: to look at them wondering what is going on.
23:15
Speaker 3: So let's know that that is true in today's day
23:18
Speaker 3: and age, and it's very typical of the ABC to
23:22
Speaker 3: once again be pushing this narrative.
23:24
Speaker 4: Australia is racist, Australia is bigoted. I simply don't believe that.
23:29
Speaker 3: Obviously, if there's transgender people out there who would just
23:32
Speaker 3: feel more comfortable in this environment. That's awesome and I'm
23:35
Speaker 3: glad that we've created this space. But essentially, I don't
23:39
Speaker 3: believe that we need these kinds of spaces for someone
23:42
Speaker 3: to go shopping.
23:43
Speaker 4: Australia is not that country.
23:45
Speaker 1: If I saw someone who looked like they were a
23:48
Speaker 1: man in the women's section of David Jones, Mars or River,
23:51
Speaker 1: I'd probably assumed that they were shopping for their partner.
23:54
Speaker 1: My first thought wouldn't be why is there a man
23:58
Speaker 1: in the woman's section? Is I really don't think anyone
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Speaker 1: actually keys I.
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Speaker 2: Would end well evidently the ABC, and that's the problem.
24:09
Speaker 2: Report some real stories, especially on the world today. Give
24:12
Speaker 2: us some stories from you know, the world.
24:14
Speaker 3: Are you saying this doesn't affect the state of the nation, James,
24:17
Speaker 3: what a bigot to America. Now when Trump has decided
24:21
Speaker 3: that should he become president, he's going to get a
24:25
Speaker 3: manufacturing ambassador.
24:27
Speaker 4: He is sick of.
24:28
Speaker 3: Companies migrating overseas for better rates.
24:32
Speaker 4: And better terms so they can be more lucrative. He says,
24:35
Speaker 4: now we are going to be going after.
24:37
Speaker 3: Their jobs and bringing them back to America, where they
24:40
Speaker 3: belong in frankly where they want to be here, he
24:43
Speaker 3: is addressing one of is rallies.
24:46
Speaker 1: We're going to bring thousands and thousands of businesses and
24:49
Speaker 1: trillions of dollars in wealth back to the good old USA.
24:53
Speaker 2: That's what we're going to be doing it, and doing
24:56
Speaker 2: it fast.
24:57
Speaker 3: I want German car companies to become American car companies.
25:01
Speaker 1: I want them to build their plans here. I want
25:06
Speaker 1: to be China in electronics production, and we'll be able
25:10
Speaker 1: to do that easily.
25:13
Speaker 3: Make America great again, he said.
25:16
Speaker 4: For years we have watched them steal our jobs.
25:19
Speaker 3: Under a Trump presidency, I'm getting them all back and
25:22
Speaker 3: then some Why don't we hear our own prime minister
25:26
Speaker 3: talk like this, like there's so much more we could
25:28
Speaker 3: do in this space, and which was particularly highlighted during
25:33
Speaker 3: the pandemic, just how we make nothing here but we
25:36
Speaker 3: have zero manufacturing here.
25:39
Speaker 2: We're going to manufacture solar panels.
25:40
Speaker 1: Have you not heard?
25:42
Speaker 3: Okay, I'm sorry, I forgot. We're going to be the
25:45
Speaker 3: green energy superpower of the world.
25:48
Speaker 2: That's the manufacing boom, but we are going to be
25:51
Speaker 2: the green energy superpower that will kill all the koalas
25:54
Speaker 2: along the way exactly we talked about, we have no
25:56
Speaker 2: food to eat. All the agricultural land will be used up.
25:59
Speaker 1: But I just hope he can actually pull this off,
26:01
Speaker 1: because what he's saying is that he will make offers
26:04
Speaker 1: to companies to come over and set up shop in
26:07
Speaker 1: the US, and he will give them tax breaks for
26:10
Speaker 1: doing so, which I think is brilliant. I mean, I've
26:12
Speaker 1: argued for a common time that we should have states
26:15
Speaker 1: doing that here in Australia. Why shouldn't South Australia or
26:18
Speaker 1: Victoria or New South Wales say to a business that's
26:21
Speaker 1: headquartered in another state, if you come and set up
26:24
Speaker 1: shop in our state, we'll give you a tax break,
26:27
Speaker 1: we might give you some discounted land on which to
26:29
Speaker 1: put your building up and whatever, and encourage business to
26:33
Speaker 1: do things like that to move around create competitive federalism,
26:37
Speaker 1: which they have between the States and the United States.
26:39
Speaker 1: We simply don't have it here and I think we're
26:41
Speaker 1: all the worse off for it. So what he's saying
26:43
Speaker 1: is he'll give tax breaks to companies if they come
26:46
Speaker 1: and set up shop in America, and then he will
26:48
Speaker 1: put tariffs on companies that refuse to set up shop
26:51
Speaker 1: in America. That's great, it just relies on companies actually
26:56
Speaker 1: coming and setting up shop. Of course, the reason that
26:59
Speaker 1: companies aren't working and building and doing stuff in America
27:02
Speaker 1: is because it's cheaper to do it elsewhere. It's been
27:04
Speaker 1: like that for a long time. That's why we don't
27:06
Speaker 1: have a car manufacturing industry in this country anymore. So
27:09
Speaker 1: if no one takes up the office, sorry, and then
27:12
Speaker 1: Trump whacks all these tariffs on people, then you potentially
27:15
Speaker 1: end up in a situation where the product becomes more
27:18
Speaker 1: expensive for the consumer. You've actually got to make a
27:21
Speaker 1: situation where it is consusive to manufacture things in your country,
27:26
Speaker 1: and at the moment, in most of the West, it's
27:28
Speaker 1: simply too expensive to do that. Turning that around like,
27:32
Speaker 1: I'm glad he's giving it a go, or saying he'll
27:34
Speaker 1: give it a go, But to turn that around is
27:36
Speaker 1: a very big ship.
27:38
Speaker 9: Yeah.
27:38
Speaker 2: And he's actually naming companies American companies that are thinking
27:41
Speaker 2: of moving offshore and saying, if you do this, we
27:45
Speaker 2: will slap tariffs on your products. So it's not just
27:48
Speaker 2: attracting investment, but it's making sure they keep the companies
27:50
Speaker 2: they've got and the factories open. I'm trying to think,
27:53
Speaker 2: what do we really manufacture in this country? Not that
27:56
Speaker 2: much anymore.
27:57
Speaker 1: Hot air from the ABC transit, and the of.
28:00
Speaker 2: Course he's thinking to putting particularly large tasks on Chinese goods,
28:04
Speaker 2: which goes to this point that our own government argued
28:07
Speaker 2: for all of three seconds and then forgot about it,
28:09
Speaker 2: that we need to gain some independence from China in
28:13
Speaker 2: the event of conflict in the future. We need to
28:16
Speaker 2: sort of mitigate against that. Trump's outright saying this is
28:19
Speaker 2: what we're going to do.
28:20
Speaker 1: Correct, and I hope he has luck at it, because
28:23
Speaker 1: if he can pull that off and he can get
28:24
Speaker 1: manufacturing back in the US, then it ought to be
28:27
Speaker 1: a blueprint for the rest of the Western world and
28:29
Speaker 1: countries like ours that used to be manufacturing superpowers. You
28:34
Speaker 1: go back fifty years and manufacturing was one of the
28:37
Speaker 1: biggest employers in this country. We simply don't have it now.
28:40
Speaker 1: We've brought you a few clips along the way in
28:43
Speaker 1: the last month or two from MASNBC because they've been
28:46
Speaker 1: having these sort of sit downs with what they think
28:49
Speaker 1: are ordinary people and asking them what they think about
28:52
Speaker 1: the presidential election. We brought you a clip of a
28:55
Speaker 1: reporter at MASNBC talking to black people about what they
28:58
Speaker 1: think about Kamalahara and saying, well, we don't actually think
29:01
Speaker 1: she's all that good. Probably not the response they expected.
29:04
Speaker 1: They asked a bunch of women what they thought of
29:06
Speaker 1: Kamala Harrison. They said, well, we don't really care that
29:08
Speaker 1: she's a woman. Oh my god, it's going so well
29:11
Speaker 1: for MSNBC. You'd imagine they were hoping they'd say, oh,
29:14
Speaker 1: Trump bad, Kamal are good? Will they manage to not
29:18
Speaker 1: pull it off again? Asking a bunch of workers, some
29:22
Speaker 1: of them manufacturing workers. These are unionists that they're interviewing
29:26
Speaker 1: what they think about January sixth, which of course was
29:29
Speaker 1: the quote unquote insurrection nearly four years ago where Donald
29:34
Speaker 1: Trump tried to overthrow the presidential result. Well, they were asked,
29:39
Speaker 1: what do you think of it?
29:40
Speaker 3: Have a listen, tell me about your level of interest
29:44
Speaker 3: in the criminal charges.
29:46
Speaker 4: And so forth.
29:48
Speaker 10: February sixth, January sex So I remember that day. I
29:53
Speaker 10: know he was the standing president. I'm not familiar with
29:58
Speaker 10: the chargers that are doing right against him. That I
30:00
Speaker 10: don't I'm not following that charge for the you know,
30:03
Speaker 10: there's multiple court cases going on.
30:05
Speaker 3: I'm just not.
30:05
Speaker 10: Familiar with it.
30:06
Speaker 3: I mean, that doesn't sound like it's going to be
30:08
Speaker 3: a factor in deciding who to work for.
30:10
Speaker 1: No, No, it doesn't sound like it's going to be
30:13
Speaker 1: a factor. Does it. Isn't it amazing when these narratives
30:17
Speaker 1: get shot by the very channels that are trumpeting them
30:21
Speaker 1: every day because they ask ordinary people what they think.
30:24
Speaker 1: And I just hope that this means that all of
30:27
Speaker 1: this law fair that has been waged upon Donald Trump,
30:31
Speaker 1: including about January sixth, on which they are trying to
30:33
Speaker 1: have him locked up so he either has to run
30:36
Speaker 1: the country from prison or is in prison before the election,
30:39
Speaker 1: which isn't going to happen now because of things that
30:41
Speaker 1: happened in the Supreme Court. But hopefully it means that
30:44
Speaker 1: the law fare has not cut through in the way
30:47
Speaker 1: they hoped it would. In fact, as I've been saying
30:50
Speaker 1: for a long time, I think it's worked in Trump's favor.
30:53
Speaker 4: I just love when they interview that guy.
30:54
Speaker 2: And as we were watching that clip, Liz was having
30:56
Speaker 2: a good old chuckle when you know, what do you
30:58
Speaker 2: think about the Insurrection's like, it just goes to show
31:05
Speaker 2: that it's really important to rust it on democrats who
31:08
Speaker 2: hate Donald Trump, but for the majority of the country,
31:11
Speaker 2: they see it for what it is. It's a distraction
31:13
Speaker 2: and they're really focused on cost of living, trying to
31:16
Speaker 2: find a house, and America's place in the world.
31:19
Speaker 4: Yeah, like everybody else.
31:21
Speaker 2: Speaking of places in the world, Queensland has got awesome
31:24
Speaker 2: problems with crime. And if you want to know just
31:26
Speaker 2: how bad the problems with crime are, have look at
31:29
Speaker 2: this headline from the Courier Mail. Motorists in Queensland urged
31:33
Speaker 2: to lock up while driving after spate of carjackings. So
31:37
Speaker 2: if ever there's a government soft on crime, that's the
31:40
Speaker 2: kind of headline you're going to get. This comes two
31:43
Speaker 2: weeks after a sixty five year old grandmother was followed
31:47
Speaker 2: to her car by masked men, held up at knife point.
31:51
Speaker 2: They stole her BMW and police are now saying, well,
31:55
Speaker 2: if you want to be safe, we can't keep you safe,
31:57
Speaker 2: but you can keep yourself safe lock your doors while
32:00
Speaker 2: you're driving. It sounds a little bit like South Africa
32:03
Speaker 2: where they tell you do that and by the way,
32:05
Speaker 2: and run red lights. Don't stop for red lights either.
32:08
Speaker 2: But now we're getting this sort of advice from law
32:10
Speaker 2: enforcement officials in Queensland.
32:12
Speaker 3: Well, you'd think it's not advice that they would even
32:14
Speaker 3: need to give under these circumstances.
32:16
Speaker 4: But it made me realize I do this all the time.
32:19
Speaker 4: Is that just a female fee?
32:21
Speaker 1: Well, I don't know. Probably my car just automatically locks,
32:24
Speaker 1: like it just knows that you're not going to.
32:26
Speaker 4: Have I'm driving nowadays.
32:29
Speaker 1: Just know I won't be driving an oudy for much longer.
32:32
Speaker 1: It's an absolute limit. Well, my model is an absolute
32:35
Speaker 1: limit anyway, the money I put through them, m I
32:37
Speaker 1: put my mechanics kid through private school. Don't worry about
32:41
Speaker 1: that partly un exactly, But you're right, are we talking
32:45
Speaker 1: about Johannesburg or Brisbane here? Right? Okay? Sure it might
32:49
Speaker 1: be a quote unquote common sense thing to say lock
32:52
Speaker 1: your car, right, but you would like to think that
32:55
Speaker 1: in a first world city like Brisbane, the first world
32:58
Speaker 1: state like Queensland, that you would be safe to drive
33:02
Speaker 1: around without having to worry that you're going to be
33:05
Speaker 1: carjacked and that you have to lock the door all
33:07
Speaker 1: the time while you're sitting at the lights. It feels
33:10
Speaker 1: to me a bit like victim blaming, isn't it saying well,
33:13
Speaker 1: if you haven't locked your car door. Well, what did
33:15
Speaker 1: you expect? Of course a gang a young Queenslanders is
33:18
Speaker 1: going to come and steal your car from you.
33:20
Speaker 4: Well, I mean this is a government.
33:21
Speaker 2: We won't lock up criminals, but if you lock yourself
33:23
Speaker 2: in your car, see, then you'll be safe. I mean
33:26
Speaker 2: seriously that the government's got one job really keep people safe,
33:30
Speaker 2: and they're failing on an epic scale.
33:32
Speaker 4: And anger is yeah, sorted, We're done here for goodness.
33:38
Speaker 1: While we're on Queensland and motoring, the RACQ has called
33:44
Speaker 1: for people who drive caravans to be put through specialized training.
33:48
Speaker 1: And to that, I say, here here, now, the road
33:51
Speaker 1: toll in Queensland has gone through the roof this year.
33:54
Speaker 1: They are pouring over absolutely everything to work out why
33:57
Speaker 1: this is and what can possibly be done about it.
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Speaker 11: Now.
34:00
Speaker 1: The number of crashes that involve people towing caravans or
34:03
Speaker 1: light trailers isn't high, but it has prompted them to say, well,
34:07
Speaker 1: hang on a minute, we have quite a few problems
34:10
Speaker 1: here and things that could be done. This here is
34:12
Speaker 1: an example of a caravan being towed along and of
34:16
Speaker 1: course you get some crosswinds or whatever go on. You
34:18
Speaker 1: don't know how to handle it and you end up
34:20
Speaker 1: in the sticks. If you're towing a caravan, that is
34:24
Speaker 1: a very heavy piece of kit you have on the
34:27
Speaker 1: back of your car. And we just allow people to
34:30
Speaker 1: take off across the country wherever they're going, put this
34:34
Speaker 1: massive thing on the back of the car and expect
34:36
Speaker 1: that they know how to tow it, how to reverse it,
34:39
Speaker 1: how to deal with it in crosswinds, etc. It's not
34:42
Speaker 1: just like getting behind the fat five hundred wheel like
34:47
Speaker 1: you are actually towing something quite significant there. I can't
34:50
Speaker 1: see an argument for why you shouldn't have to undertake
34:53
Speaker 1: extra training to do that.
34:54
Speaker 11: For trust is like you, you're normally the one being
34:58
Speaker 11: like bloody count souls.
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Speaker 3: This is just a g up.
35:01
Speaker 4: By government revenue raising.
35:03
Speaker 3: Now you've got to what a caravan license.
35:06
Speaker 4: You can't even just get.
35:08
Speaker 3: Your motor home, hoog it on the back of you
35:11
Speaker 3: and go for a drive. Now, this bloody grundy state
35:15
Speaker 3: government that would normally be you you're arguing for this.
35:19
Speaker 1: Of course, I'm not saying that it should cost you
35:21
Speaker 1: two hundred dollars to go and do it where you
35:24
Speaker 1: ought to have before you're allowed to put a caravan
35:27
Speaker 1: on the back of your car. I don't think that's unfair.
35:29
Speaker 3: You just accepted that the rate of this happening is very,
35:33
Speaker 3: very low.
35:34
Speaker 4: It's almost negligible.
35:35
Speaker 2: This is a sign that Caleb is getting older and
35:37
Speaker 2: he's starting to think, you know, becoming a great nomad
35:40
Speaker 2: going around.
35:43
Speaker 1: Kayle behind that think, be out of bullet fast. There's
35:50
Speaker 1: no toebar on it either. Before we go to a break,
35:53
Speaker 1: we talked earlier about Kyastama. If you haven't already seen
35:57
Speaker 1: this clip today, I'm about to introduce you to He
36:00
Speaker 1: was trying to talk about hostages being held in Gaza.
36:04
Speaker 1: He didn't talk about hostages.
36:07
Speaker 6: I call again from immediate ceasefire and Gaza, the return
36:11
Speaker 6: of the sausages, the hostages.
36:16
Speaker 1: On the return of the sausages. I mean, you know,
36:19
Speaker 1: if he wasn't talking about such a serious issue, to
36:22
Speaker 1: be even funnier, but where the heldag sausages come from?
36:25
Speaker 1: It was he thinking about his dinner.
36:28
Speaker 3: And he looks like he's reading from an auto You
36:32
Speaker 3: if someone's getting fired someone wrote sausages instead of hostages,
36:37
Speaker 3: or you miss Reddit, But sausages looks nothing like hostages.
36:41
Speaker 3: And also what part of your brain wouldn't be thinking
36:45
Speaker 3: nowhere in this speech. Am I referring to sausages? So
36:49
Speaker 3: this must be the wrong word. This is going to
36:52
Speaker 3: be a moment that he is going to wake up
36:55
Speaker 3: decades from now in a cold sweat at four am,
36:58
Speaker 3: getting bold upright in.
36:59
Speaker 4: Bed, still going. I cannot, Liz believe I said this.
37:03
Speaker 2: It was even worse than that. He went on to
37:05
Speaker 2: talk about sausages and mash immigration.
37:09
Speaker 1: We're going to go to a break.
37:10
Speaker 2: Can we come back. We'll look at what's making last tomorrow.
37:13
Speaker 2: Instick ground. Okay, let's take a look at what we'll
37:20
Speaker 2: be making news tomorrow. Caleb is starting it off in Tasmania.
37:24
Speaker 1: Indeed, I am where it says tomorrow, kicking it down
37:28
Speaker 1: the road. TASMANI has long away to contain. A deposit
37:31
Speaker 1: scheme is expected to be operating by the middle of
37:33
Speaker 1: next year. Parks Environment Minister Nick Dugen sears, Now you
37:37
Speaker 1: might say, well, who really gives a toss. We've had
37:39
Speaker 1: these things around the country for some time. New South
37:42
Speaker 1: Wales has got one, now I think Victoria's got one.
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Speaker 1: Now South Australia's had one since about the nineteen eighties. Well,
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Speaker 1: if you read on, it's is after a feasibility study
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Speaker 1: in two thousand and nine, a cost benefit analysis in
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Speaker 1: twenty fourteen, and a model framework into twenty eighteen, past
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Speaker 1: the Container Refund Scheme Act in twenty twenty two. The
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Speaker 1: regulations were drafted in twenty twenty three, and it will
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Speaker 1: start in mid twenty twenty five. How long can it
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Speaker 1: possibly take to sit up a scheme where you're taken
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Speaker 1: your bottles and cans and they give you ten seats back.
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Speaker 2: For goodness, the Great Wall of China was built in
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Speaker 2: more time than that flipping legislation sixteen years wow, from
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Speaker 2: feasibility study to okay, you can you know, return your
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Speaker 2: containers for your deposit? Now, no wonder. We can't do
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Speaker 2: anything in this country that's a container deposit.
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Speaker 3: So when all these studies costs as well, I mean,
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Speaker 3: we've probably spent enough on it to have built it
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Speaker 3: three times over.
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Speaker 11: We're amongst all these feasibility studies, cost benefit of analysts.
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Speaker 11: Then we had a moral framework, Then we thought it about
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Speaker 11: it a little few more years, and then we we
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Speaker 11: drafted some legislation, and then we got that legislation passed,
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Speaker 11: and now it's going to be starting mid next year.
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Speaker 2: And you said model framework, I thought you said moral framework,
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Speaker 2: and I thought that's.
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Speaker 1: Going to take at Estar. He is about this. He's
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Speaker 1: going to have this as part of his control regime
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Speaker 1: over there, and it'll take.
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Speaker 3: Justice to the front page of the odds Now. Game
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Speaker 3: on visa appeals surge. Australia's courts and tribunals are bracing
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Speaker 3: for tens of thousands of international students to appeal against
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Speaker 3: the refusal or cancelation of their visas, amid concerns that
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Speaker 3: foreign visa holders are gaming the system to circumvent a
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Speaker 3: federal government push to slash net migration. We know we've
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Speaker 3: got over seven hundred thousand, seven hundred thousand international students
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Speaker 3: in the country right now.
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Speaker 4: The federal government.
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Speaker 3: Has said, hey, we're gonna slash that literally by three quarters.
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Speaker 3: We're just going to have about a quarter of that.
39:53
Speaker 3: I don't know about you, but I don't quite believe them.
39:56
Speaker 3: But get this, then all those international student do is
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Speaker 3: lodge an appeal and that can take years to process.
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Speaker 3: So then we just have these government agencies working on
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Speaker 3: these appeals four years. They've already been hit with well
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Speaker 3: over ten thousand of these appeals since September last year.
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Speaker 4: This is just an absence nightmare.
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Speaker 3: Why can't the government simply say, especially to those international
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Speaker 3: students who came here because they'd signed up to those
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Speaker 3: ghost unis that never even existed and never taught anyone anything.
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Speaker 4: See you later. This is this is the visas canceled, goodbye.
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Speaker 1: This is the point. Right they need to expedite these
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Speaker 1: appeals reviews stat because the Australian is saying that it's
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Speaker 1: understood that most of these refusals are students quote unquote
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Speaker 1: from India and China, so we know what they're up to.
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Speaker 1: They've come here on a student visa because it's the
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Speaker 1: way to get into the country, and then they want
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Speaker 1: to stay forever. Government, quite rightly, and good on the
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Speaker 1: alban Easy government for actually taking the right tone on
41:05
Speaker 1: this for once has turned out and said no, you're
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Speaker 1: abusing the visa system. You ought to go. They then
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Speaker 1: just find a way to stay here for years extra
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Speaker 1: as if we cannot find a way to do this
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Speaker 1: faster than taking years and years and years. Just another
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Speaker 1: thing the government.
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Speaker 11: Can sell you.
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Speaker 2: At the moment I read this this evening, I got
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Speaker 2: on the phone, rang my son. I said, ditch your
41:23
Speaker 2: plumbing apprenticeship. Become a migration lawyer. That's the future, my son,
41:27
Speaker 2: He'll make a fortune.
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Speaker 4: You'll never be out of business.
41:30
Speaker 3: To the second headline on the front of the os
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Speaker 3: ABC of irony in chairs call. ABC chair Kim Williams
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Speaker 3: has warned of the dangers of quote fake news end quote,
41:41
Speaker 3: less than a week after the public broadcaster was forced
41:45
Speaker 3: to establish an independent review when it emerged that it's
41:48
Speaker 3: seriously misrepresented the actions of an Australian soldier during a
41:53
Speaker 3: twenty twelve operation in Afghanistan. The article goes on to
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Speaker 3: say that, delivering his keynote address at the Lowry in
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Speaker 3: This Institute, Kim Williams spoke of quote the vital importance
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Speaker 3: of trustworthy news coverage about international affairs. A strong media,
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Speaker 3: led by people who believe in professional journalistic ethics is
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Speaker 3: one of our most important democratic assets.
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Speaker 4: Will it would be Kim if we had one. I mean,
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Speaker 4: does he have some sort of.
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Speaker 3: Weird ponchong for I don't know, self flagellating in public.
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Speaker 4: Behind a podium.
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Speaker 2: ABC chair warns Australians do not watch the ABC essentially
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Speaker 2: that's the story, right, Well, I.
42:37
Speaker 1: Mean, look, going back to what we were talking about, earlier.
42:40
Speaker 1: They are actually doing accurate journalism now because they have
42:43
Speaker 1: correctly identified that there is a transgender optop in Ballarat.
42:46
Speaker 1: They didn't bagger that story up. But let's just hope
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Speaker 1: people at the ABC were taking notice of what their
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Speaker 1: chairman said today because of it. Even as I said,
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Speaker 1: irony is dead, it is.
42:57
Speaker 2: It is no need for satire anymore. They're doing it
42:59
Speaker 2: to themselves. The career mail front page shortened memories, Labor
43:03
Speaker 2: revives negative gearing cuts plan. Anthony Elbanzi and his Treasurer
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Speaker 2: Jim Chalmers have refused to rule out changes to negative
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Speaker 2: gearing amid revelations Treasury officials investigated policy options. The prospect
43:16
Speaker 2: of resurrecting this tax, of course, revives memories of Bill
43:20
Speaker 2: Shorten losing the twenty nineteen campaign when he made all
43:25
Speaker 2: sorts of promises. The interesting thing about this story is
43:28
Speaker 2: it's only a week ago, speaking of the ABC that
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Speaker 2: Anthony Elberizi, when asked about this, replied, that's not a
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Speaker 2: very clever question and tried to pooh poo it. And
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Speaker 2: now we find out the government have been seeking all.
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Speaker 1: Sorts of advice.
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Speaker 3: Well, this is why he responded like that, because Patricia
43:46
Speaker 3: Carvellers simply asked him is this off the table or not?
43:49
Speaker 3: And instead of answering yes or no, he got really snarky,
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Speaker 3: in which case we knew the answer wasn't yes, it's
43:56
Speaker 3: off the table, was it? This government can't seem to
44:00
Speaker 3: help itself. First they weren't going to change anything about
44:03
Speaker 3: your super. Then they change stuff about you Super. Then
44:06
Speaker 3: they weren't going to do the stage cars three tax cards.
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Speaker 4: That wasn't a thing. Everyone calmed down.
44:13
Speaker 3: Then Capital Brief busted them and leaked the info saying
44:17
Speaker 3: that YO know that charmers. The Treasurer has asked the
44:20
Speaker 3: relevant departments to get cooking some option should they decide
44:24
Speaker 3: to take that route.
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Speaker 4: They took that route.
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Speaker 3: Now we've been gas lit and are now finding out
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Speaker 3: that this too is definitely not off the table, in
44:35
Speaker 3: fact pretty much underway if he's already tasked them up.
44:38
Speaker 4: With looking at options.
44:39
Speaker 3: But what I can't understand is this close to an election,
44:45
Speaker 3: you're begging to.
44:46
Speaker 1: Lose the bloke has done for brains? Why well, because
44:52
Speaker 1: possibly they're sidling up to the Greens in the event
44:55
Speaker 1: that they end up in a hung parliament. Because of
44:57
Speaker 1: course that the greens want, but it is so dumb
45:00
Speaker 1: on so many levels. It will lead to higher rents
45:03
Speaker 1: because if you can't negatively gear your property and you
45:06
Speaker 1: want to continue to own the property, you've got to
45:07
Speaker 1: get the money from somewhere, so you'll jack the rent up,
45:10
Speaker 1: or you'll put the property on the market. And the
45:12
Speaker 1: people renting the properties aren't just magically going to have
45:15
Speaker 1: the money to go and buy them. The people who
45:17
Speaker 1: will buy them are even richer investors. So labor will
45:20
Speaker 1: actually funnel more money into the pockets of even richer people.
45:25
Speaker 1: Great labor policy, ain't well, We're.
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Speaker 2: Going to go to a break when we come back.
45:29
Speaker 2: The Chinese zoo apologizing for their panda exhibit, which turned
45:33
Speaker 2: out to be a pack of dogs.
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Speaker 4: That's coming up in a moment.
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Speaker 2: Okay, so we hear a lot of confessions, but this
45:42
Speaker 2: admission from a Chinese zoo, Liz, this one, it's up there.
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Speaker 4: I absolutely love this.
45:49
Speaker 3: So a Chinese zoo has been forced to confess that
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Speaker 3: their pandas are in fact not pandas. After visitors to
45:57
Speaker 3: the Shanwei Zoo in China's eastern Guangdong province, they were
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Speaker 3: so excited to see these pandas advertised, They went to
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Speaker 3: the enclosure, but were really confused when these pandas began
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Speaker 3: barking and panting like dogs. The zoo then tried it on,
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Speaker 3: saying that these were a rare breed of panda dogs,
46:20
Speaker 3: before eventually confessing that they just dyed two puppies black
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Speaker 3: and white to resemble.
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Speaker 2: Know how long were they on display before people surely
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Speaker 2: people realized Well.
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Speaker 3: This footage then went viral, right, so people all around
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Speaker 3: the world are.
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Speaker 11: Commenting on it, being like that is not a panda
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Speaker 11: in any way.
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Speaker 1: Shape, or it's not even the right side. It's like
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Speaker 1: it's nothing. I've got to give them points for creativity
46:49
Speaker 1: because because doing that dye job on a dog, I imagine
46:54
Speaker 1: cannot be an easy time.
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Speaker 4: They would have put it to sleep.
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Speaker 1: That's quite. It reminds me of you know, Fine Cotton,
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Speaker 1: which was in the nineteen eighties, the greatest ringing of
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Speaker 1: all time, where they wanted to get a much faster
47:06
Speaker 1: horse to run under the name of Fine Cotton, which
47:09
Speaker 1: was really slow. It was the biggest betting plunge in history, right,
47:13
Speaker 1: and the three idiots who organized all of this were
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Speaker 1: literally on the morning of the race standing in the
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Speaker 1: front yard of this joint in suburban Brisbane, realizing that
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Speaker 1: having dyed the horse with box dye from the supermarket
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Speaker 1: turned out bright orange, and then standing the lawn, hosing
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Speaker 1: it down and then painting up its feet with like
47:36
Speaker 1: white house painting stuff. Then they tried to.
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Speaker 2: This story raises a question, right, Remember when Anthony Elbaneze
47:42
Speaker 2: went to China and everyone wanted to know, so what
47:44
Speaker 2: did you do? What did you talk about?
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Speaker 1: Is like, we talked about.
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Speaker 2: The pandas drinking. Those were the pandas and Elbow went
47:49
Speaker 2: and saw and he was so enamored with I wouldn't
47:51
Speaker 2: put it past him.
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Speaker 3: I have a friend who genuinely believes that pandas were
47:57
Speaker 3: just created by China panda diplomacy, because you only lease
48:02
Speaker 3: a panda, right, You can't own your own panda. They're
48:06
Speaker 3: all Chinese owned and they just lease them out and
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Speaker 3: we pay how much money.
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Speaker 4: Year in and year out?
48:13
Speaker 3: To look at these bears who contribute nothing to the ecosystem.
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Speaker 3: They'd be utterly useless in the wild. They'd be dead
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Speaker 3: within sixty seconds.
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Speaker 1: Like they do.
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Speaker 3: Seem to be the most fake kind of made up
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Speaker 3: animal ever.
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Speaker 1: Now you can now you can own your own panda.
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Speaker 1: Just get your dog and dark very quickly. Before by
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Speaker 1: the way, there's no pandas in Springfield, Ohio. Before we
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Speaker 1: go Spain. While we're on the animal theme, has decided
48:41
Speaker 1: to give primates human rights. This is orangutans, gorillas, chimpanzees, bonobos.
48:47
Speaker 1: They've been given human rights quote unquote because they've decided
48:51
Speaker 1: that they should not be subjected to animal testing because
48:54
Speaker 1: they are so closely related to humans. You know, I
48:58
Speaker 1: understand it to animal testing on the nose, but I've
49:00
Speaker 1: got to tell you. If it's the difference between me
49:03
Speaker 1: being able to survive because through some medical treatment and
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Speaker 1: a gorilla surviving, I'm going to sacrifice the gorilla.
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Speaker 2: That's it from us stick Around. Coming up is The
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Speaker 2: Reader Penney Show. Good Night,