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Defending the Faith, Responding to a Christless Culture · Worldview Matters With David Fiorazo

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Welcome to World View Matters, discussing controversial issues, discerning current events,
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defending biblical Christianity.
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No topic, off limits.
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And now, here's your host, David Firazzo.
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Well, hello guys, thank you so much for joining us on World View Matters.
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So far so good.
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We appreciate your input and sharing the show on social media and keep getting people
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to subscribe.
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I want to start this off with an important scripture that we are going to be talking
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about, kind of like the foundation for the show today.
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It is 1 Peter 3, verse 15, sanctify Christ as Lord in your hearts, always being ready
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to make a defense to everyone who asks you to give an account for the hope that is in
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you.
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But do this with gentleness and respect.
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That's 1 Peter 3, 15.
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My guest day, wow, this guy's got so much going on, Carl Kirby, he's an author, co-founder
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of Reasons for Hope, and he was first introduced to apologetics by two pilots.
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After he told them evolution was compatible with the Bible, which is what he'd been taught
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in Sunday school, believe it or not.
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And these men pulled out their Bible and showed Carl that what the world taught and what
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the word taught are completely different.
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With 50% to 88% of the younger generation raised in the church, leaving the faith by the
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age of 18, Carl Kirby's desire is for them to know what they're walking away from.
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So this can only happen if they're able to critically think and evaluate arguments
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to determine truth.
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Carl has two honorary doctorates and a degree in Biblical studies, but his most important
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credentials would be SSBG-T-F-I-C, which means sinner saved by grace through faith in
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Christ.
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Carl Kirby, welcome to World View Matters, brother.
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David, what a blessing, man, I'm so excited to see you've got this new show.
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Praise God.
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Yeah, it's fun.
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So far, so good.
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It's been about a month, I think.
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But hey, I want to mention Reasons for Hope Web, so you've got a lot of resources there
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are for H, that's the letter R, F-O-R, H dot com.
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We'll talk about some of the content, including debunked, but you and I are tag teaming.
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Ah, remember that from your old days, huh?
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Tag team.
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You and I are tag teaming on Saturday, October 14 in Green Bay, Wisconsin.
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There it is, the men of iron conference.
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So you guys, men, sorry, ladies, this is for your husbands and for men, you can go to
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menofironconference.org.
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Again, it's an all day conference Saturday, October 14.
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We hope that you get the word out and help us get the word out for this.
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Carl's coming to town, I'll be there and two other speakers there.
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It's going to be great.
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It's going to be a great day with the men, just sharpening one another, but also we're
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doing a little equipping too.
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Can I ask you to give a little sneak peek of what you're talking about?
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Oh, yeah, David, I'm going to be talking about dads.
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It's time.
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And it's got to double on tundra there, you know, it's time that we do this, but it's
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also time.
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It takes time to pour into our children.
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And I think probably the most basic concept that I'm going to expound on is the fact that
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when we proverbs 226, everybody knows that train up a child in the way they should go,
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right?
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Well, that verse really is so powerful when you dig into it.
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And I didn't know this for such a long time, trained up a child in the way they should
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go.
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And it's going to be your children so intimately, like what motivated my daughter did not motivate
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my son, the way that I discipline my daughter had to be totally different than the way that
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I did my son.
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We need to know our children so intimately that we can treat them and teach them as individuals
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and to raise them up in the fear and admonition of the Lord.
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You can't do it with a cookie cutter approach.
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And so we're just going to go through how to be a prophet, how to be a priest, and how
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to how to really pour in char children from a biblical perspective and to be a godly
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husband.
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Amen, brother.
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Looking forward to that.
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Again, if you go to the logo for men of iron conference, it's suit up, stand up, speak
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up.
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So my portion will be the speak up.
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Carl, I know if you're like me, you look at our culture and not surprising, the world
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will do what the world does, unbelievers in the secular world.
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But the church, when the church does not speak up, we're in a world of hurt and look at
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our culture around us.
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Look at the declining biblical world view year after year, decade after decade, barna,
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pew, gallop, all the polls, all the research.
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And the church's lack of influence and effectiveness has a lot to do with that.
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I would love to share your thoughts on that.
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Well, you know, it's an interesting thing.
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The three word phrase that they've got for the upcoming conference, ours for the ministry
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when it comes to our faith, we need to know it, live it, and share it.
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So they almost directly apply the exactly the same thing.
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But look, you need to know why you believe what you say you believe, because when you
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don't know why you believe what you say you believe, you can get tossed to and fro.
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And I think I read something about that in Ephesians, about people getting tossed to and
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fro.
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But check this out, you can have all the answers in the world to be totally worthless
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in ministry, because if your life doesn't reflect what your lips are saying, it's worthless,
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it's called hypocrisy, and it's the number one attack against Christianity.
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But guess what?
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You can have all the answers.
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You can live a perfect life and still be worthless in ministry, because if you don't
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share it, if you don't get out and tell people about Jesus Christ, it's all worthless.
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I love apologetics, but if apologetics doesn't lead to the preaching of Jesus Christ by
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whom we are all saved, we've got nothing.
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And so I'm excited for this three-pronged approach that they're taking.
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I think it's the most effective way, and I cannot wait to be a part of it.
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I wonder if that's going to have anything to do with the armor of God.
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We'll have to wait and see.
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Or you, you would think.
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Yeah, men of ironconference.org that's going to be in Green Bay, Wisconsin, October 14th.
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When you were speaking, I thought of Dietrich Bonhoffer.
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He was one of the German pastors, about a third of the pastors in Germany during Hitler's
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time were actually speaking out against what two-thirds of the church was doing.
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They were folding, they were caving, they were compromising.
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And going along with the Heil Hitler and everything, and it was just so sad.
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But Bonhoffer's famous words were silence in the face of evil is itself evil.
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Not to speak is to speak, not to act is to act.
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God will not hold us guiltless.
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And I'll tell you what, those words are powerful enough, but he backed it up.
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He was acting out.
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I wouldn't support this today, taken out your leaders, but he was actually involved
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in some efforts to assassinate Adolf Hitler.
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Now you can do with that what you will, but he was trying to speak out against the church
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too, saying, what are you doing by not raising the words for the Jews and for the others
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that were suffering in the Holocaust?
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Anyway, Carl, your quick thoughts on that before we move on?
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Yeah, I tell you what, one of the most powerful books I ever read was by Erwin Lutzert called
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Hitler's Cross.
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The parallels between what was taking place during that time with the church, quote unquote,
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and not being engaged in the culture.
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It had one point in the book where it said that as the trains were going by carrying the
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people who were on their way to be being killed, as they were crying out from the train,
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the churches would sing louder so they didn't hear the cries of the people.
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Church, we have to wake up, we have to be engaged, we have to be involved.
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It's not easy.
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I'm going to say that.
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I wish I could tell everybody that I lived a perfect life and I was never afraid and
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I spoke when I was supposed to.
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I failed just like everybody else.
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We're all fellow pilgrims on the journey of life.
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But the body of Christ has got to get united because this world needs to hear what we have
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and that's true.
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His name is Jesus, His Word is true and it's trustworthy.
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Think about that.
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The Bible, the Word of God, the greatest message, the greatest gift ever to humanity.
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If it's true, Carl Kirby, why would we keep that to ourselves?
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If it really is true, if people can really, sincerely be forgiven of all their sins,
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be saved and live an eternity with Jesus, with fellow believers, there is an eternity
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and there are two different destinations and I think we've got to be more intentional
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when it comes to sharing the truth when we're out in public.
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And I'm looking at and doing this but the three fingers are pointing right back at me
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because I don't do that enough.
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I think about the grocery store, the gas station, all these places that I go.
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Yeah, you can give them a track and you know, anything that will open up a conversation.
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But I do want to mention your website, Carl, reasons for hope, under who we are, just
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want to let people know because this is your first time on the show.
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Reasons for hope, incorporate is an apologetics ministry with a mission to equip believers
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to fulfill the command found in 1 Peter 315 and that's the scripture we started off today
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with.
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So when people ask and hopefully they're going to see your life and notice a difference,
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they're going to notice Christ and you hopefully they'll ask you, well, with all that's going
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on, how can you be so, how can you have this faith, how can you believe that?
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There's your end when they ask you for the reason of your hope, right, Carl?
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Go on.
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I just, I just tossed you a softball.
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No, dude, I'm telling you, you set me up, I'm hopefully I can hit it right.
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I got to tell you, I use a quote from an atheist and one of my talks, and it's typically
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the talk that I finish with when I leave somewhere, it's called Evangelism 101, 10 Things
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I Learned on Evangelism from an atheist.
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And the atheist is Pendulet and Pendulet, it's an old video, but he's talking about a man
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who came up and gave him a gift of the Bible.
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And at one point, Pendulet, atheist, nasty, I mean, about every sixth, seventh word out of
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his mouth is typically profanity, but in this video, after somebody gave him a Bible,
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he didn't use profanity once, he says, how much do you have to quote?
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How much do you have to hate somebody to not tell them the truth?
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How much do you have to hate somebody to believe in everlasting life and to not share them
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about it?
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Share that, share that with him, unquote.
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And it's like, he goes on to say, look, if I believe that a truck was bearing down on
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you, it was going to hit you.
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There comes a point when I will tackle you, and this is much more important than that.
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So I think what has happened is Satan knows the buttons to push.
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None of us like to be the weirdos and the goofs.
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And if you look at culture, Christians are depicted as close-minded, intolerant, bigot
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and opinionated, and we're all afraid of that stereotype.
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Well, the time has come enough.
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Get over it.
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You are different.
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You are an alien.
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And I'm not talking about extraterrestrial life.
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I'm talking about this world as not our home.
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As long as we preach Jesus, we are going to be different, but you're standing in good
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company.
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You're standing with the one who died for you.
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The ones that can mock and ridicule you, they got nothing.
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But the ones who died for us, he deserves our focus and our attention.
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Amen.
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And it's prophetic.
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Mockers will come in the last days.
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Peter wrote about it.
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And by the way, we must obey God rather than men.
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That's in there, too, in the book of Acts.
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We're going to take a break in a few minutes, come back and talk about, did Jesus commit suicide?
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It's a book from Reasons for Hope and 27 other questions that teenagers are asking.
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But I've got a quick video clip, Carl, I want to play this and come back and we'll talk
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about it.
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This is from Reasons for Hope.
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Hey, Christian, you're a bigot.
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Why can't you just let people love who they want to love, huh?
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Do you realize that it's your beliefs that are causing people so much pain?
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You're a fool.
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I mean, show me your God.
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Where did he come from?
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Who made him?
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Ever heard of something called science?
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And if he's so good, why all the evil, the rape, the murder, the genocide, oh, you don't
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know, do you?
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Well, there you go.
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You're going to quote me some old English from a book that you don't even understand.
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Do you know how many contradictions are in the Bible?
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Do you really think it hasn't changed over the years?
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It's a man-made book.
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Explain to me cavemen, dinosaurs, evolution.
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Explain to me how all the races of the world came from just two people.
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Oh, yeah, there you go.
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You're telling me that you figured out the meaning of life at your age.
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I'm giving one good reason why I should believe what you believe.
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Our guest today is Carl Kirby from Reasons for Hope.
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And you saw that little video clip there just with so many questions that people have.
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And we'd better be ready, Carl.
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We'd better be ready to say, hey, there's a guy that won a homecoming queen pageant, I
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guess, out of football field, football game, a male was crowned with 14-age girls around
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him going, oh, hey, they're celebrating with him.
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We'd better be able to explain.
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Look at that.
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What's wrong with this picture?
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Now, I want to focus on the top right one real quick because this is gender.
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This goes back to rejecting the creation of God, the image of God in man.
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But he won the contest.
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He, his name is Tristan Young, I believe.
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Those four girls, that's him right there.
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Those four girls, two on each side of him, I'm wondering, do they just have to grin and
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bear it, Carl Kirby, because they're going to be called, let's just say one of them
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are Christian.
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They're called haters, intolerant, or whatever, anti-trans, transphobic, because they're
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not affirming and supporting this delusion, because we know this is not God's created
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order.
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So share your thoughts on that.
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That's a big question a lot of people have today.
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How do you respond to that?
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You know, it's such a sad one, too, because we don't want to come off attacking.
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My heart breaks for this young man, and he is a man, I'm sorry, there's no other way
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to put it.
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And so my heart breaks for him that he is suffering this confusion.
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Reality is this, is that love does not, true love does not pat somebody on the back,
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and tell them, okay, when they're living a life that is going to separate them from
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a holy God for all eternity, true love is willing to look someone in the eye and say
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to them, look, you're free to do what you're doing right here, but there are consequences
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to your actions.
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And I love you enough to tell you that this is going to separate you from God.
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We have gotten into a stage now where we have a generation that's been trained to not
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share.
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I was just watching some of our interviews that we did with young people that went to
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our equip retreats that we run in the summer months.
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We hold about five camps here that we run.
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We speak a bunch others.
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And the comments that were coming back from these kids were the fact that you take on
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the tough topics and you're not afraid or ashamed to do it.
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And it's almost like taboo that we talk about these things.
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Christian, we have to talk about these things.
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What is being done there is truly child abuse.
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We hear the claims that Christians are abusing their children because we're teaching them
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to love a God.
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Well, guess what?
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When we do this to someone and reaffirm a lifestyle that is going to destroy them for
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all eternity, we're going to suffer the consequences from that.
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We have to speak the truth and love.
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Oh, my goodness.
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What you said just thinking that we are affirming this and a lot of people have just jumped
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on the bandwagon because they don't, they want to appear, Carl, compassionate.
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We care, but we understand we, the veil's been removed if you're a Bible believe in Christian.
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We know we're discerning.
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We know what's going on.
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And we're seeing right into this.
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It is evil being called good.
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Yes.
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Yes.
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Absolutely.
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And think about that.
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Truly caring.
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I mean, this is a hard concept.
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Truly caring is not going to love wrong action that has eternal consequences.
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True love is going to be willing to just look, there's consequences.
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You have to know that because I don't want to see you separated from a holy God for all
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eternity.
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If we can really grasp the fact that we, we believe what the book in front of us says,
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we believe what the word of God says that there are consequences, eternal consequences
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of heaven and hell.
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I think it would really change our approach to dealing with some of these types of issues
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because we can't be passive on it.
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It's just not possible if you truly love someone.
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Amen.
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Amen.
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Friends, we just have to be more discerning when people be led by the Holy Spirit.
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There's a lot of people that are hurting all around us.
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And some of them, they don't know they're looking for answers.
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Some of them, some of them are searching.
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But boy, we just got to be out there and be able to share the truth.
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That brings me to the book, Teenagers, Carl, I spoke at a Christian camp a couple times
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and a few years ago.
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And after the Saturday night session, I had a Q&A.
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The main topics were these sex issues, LGBTQ issues.
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And then it was over.
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They could go do whatever they wanted for fun.
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There was a campfire and other activities.
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And I was in there, a line of students stayed to talk to me.
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And the main question was about this transgender ideology.
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More often than not, they said, I have a friend who dot, dot, dot.
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So I'm going over to your book, did Jesus commit suicide in 27 other questions?
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And one of them in the book right there, why does God create homosexuals and then condemn
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them?
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Let's speak to that one briefly.
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Yeah, man.
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You got to get one on here.
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One's the one that wrote that chapter and have him expound deeper into it.
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This is a big issue is that we are attributing to God what he did not do.
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Why would God create someone homosexual?
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It's a wrong premise.
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It's a wrong premise.
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It's like, when people ask questions, by the way, David, the way that book comes up came
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about is that when we're at camps, I hand out index cards.
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All of our speakers hand out index cards on day one to the students, say, right down
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the questions, keeping you from selling out for the Lord Jesus Christ, turn them in.
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And that's what we deal with.
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And so that's one of the questions that came in.
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And the title, by the way, did Jesus commit suicide 20 minutes into a Q&A in Himit, California.
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I'm pulling the questions because we don't duck and dodge.
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We don't duck and dodge.
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We pull them and go.
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If suicide is a thing, didn't Jesus send because he committed suicide?
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Like, again, wrong premise.
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He didn't.
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And so we have to take the questions to come in and deal with them appropriately.
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Jesus did not create anybody as a homosexual and then condemn them.
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We're condemned because we make decisions and reject what God has given to us.
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We all have propensities.
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We all have desires.
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And my desires, if I let them run my life, will lead me apart from God.
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And so I try to break it down.
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Sexual sin to sexual sin.
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We're not gay haters.
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We're not transgender haters.
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We are sex outside of the bounds of biblical marriage haters because that is what's going
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to separate you from God.
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It's a bond that God has illustrated for us and the relationship that we have with
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Him.
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It's a marriage.
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And when we defile that, it's going to defile that relationship that we have with God
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as well.
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There's a lot of great questions in here.
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So you're saying in this book, did Jesus commit suicide?
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These are all questions that came in from teenagers?
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Yeah, it's all teens at the camps.
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That's great.
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Volume 2 is getting ready to release and we got a Christmas edition coming out starting
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probably in November.
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So it's exciting.
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These are all questions that they're bringing to us.
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We're not making them up.
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That's great.
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So reasons for hope and that's this one's over at get debunked.org.
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Where else can people get your books, Carl?
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You can get it on Amazon.
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Our website are for age and by the way, here's something else, David, that website that
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you advertise, I'm sorry, RFORH.
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If you search those five letters on your app store, you can download our app that's
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totally free and there's hours and I am not exaggerating hours of free video on there
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as well.
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You brought up that statistic of 50 to 88% of the younger generation walking away from
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the Lord Jesus Christ who have been raised in the church.
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We took that on and said, let's flip it.
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That means we're saving 12 to 50%.
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What's happening in the homes of that 12 to 50% so that we can learn from it to maybe
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increase that number and decrease the ones that are walking away?
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We did a documentary and if you download the app and scroll down and you'll see a picture
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in my picture there is good for keeping mice out of the pantry as well, but you hit that
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and scroll down to the bottom, it'll have a tab on there for within our reach.
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Watch that documentary is totally free and there's so much content on there to help parents
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especially to train up their children.
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Okay, we have a little bit more to talk about with Carl Kirby, but we do have another
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video, quick video and I think we got this off of your site.
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Go ahead and play that one, we'll talk about it.
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What I'm about to tell you is awful, but it's the truth.
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Only 41% of senior pastors in America hold to a Biblical worldview, it gets worse.
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Only 28% of associate pastors have a genuine Biblical worldview.
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Only 13% of teaching pastors and only 12% of youth pastors.
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Did you hear that last one?
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That means 88% of so-called youth pastors who are teaching the next generation do not
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believe the Bible is the authoritative Word of God.
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No wonder so many churches have lost their respect.
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No wonder America is in the state that it says, this has to change.
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We need Godly teachers who will speak the truth no matter what.
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And that's we have Carl Kirby on the show, that's why we interview some of the great
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people we get to talk to about this because Carl, you know, you hear those stats and it's
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mind-boggling that we're talking about church leaders and pastors, not the layperson,
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I mean, especially youth pastors.
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Let's talk about that for a minute because a lot of people listening are, you know,
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homeschooling families, but there are also people that have kids, possibly in youth groups.
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When I was going through church, when I was growing up, the youth pastor, it seems like
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his role was just to entertain the kids and keep them occupied.
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That's not going to help them when they get out into the world, but now it's about entertainment.
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No wonder only 12 or 13% of youth pastors have a biblical world view, I'd love for you
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to speak to that.
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I mean, flesh it out.
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I get invited to go to a church of like 30,000, right?
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They call me up and say, we want you to come and do two 10-minute power messages and
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I'm like, what's a 10-minute power message?
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Well, we do it every week, 20 minutes of ping pong, flusable popcorn, 20 minutes of worship,
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10-minute power message, five minutes of prayer, then we send them out.
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And I said, well, no, thank you.
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They're like, what do you mean, no, thank you?
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We're church of 30,000, I'm like, I'm long-winded, I can't tell you my name in 10 minutes.
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So they ended up, they capitulated, they gave me 30 minutes, I took 35 because I knew
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they were never going to invite me back.
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And at the end of that 35-minute message, that room emptied faster than I've ever seen
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in my life.
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They ran next door, this church had two sanctuaries of a thousand that held a thousand
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each just for the youth.
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That wasn't the main sanctuary.
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They had a main room with everything under the sun, skateboard ramps, the big 20-foot
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things where they're flying up in there and all that.
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Those kids after the first session ran next door, got all the kids off the video games,
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got them off the skateboard ramp, brought them in and they're like, they were blown out
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of the water.
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Youth pastor came to me afterwards and said, how did you do that?
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And I was like, how did I do what?
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They sat for 35 minutes, they won't sit for 10-minute power message.
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And I said, I don't think it's me, I think it's the fact that these kids are sick of
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man-be-pambi, they want something that's real.
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We've got to bring things to them because they are under attack.
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This culture doesn't play fair, Satan is mean, he's nasty and he's not being nice and
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if you don't prepare them to go into this world, we're done.
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And parents don't abdicate your responsibility to a youth pastor to do that.
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That's your job.
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You can do it.
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I want to encourage you.
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I'm not attacking you.
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You can do it if a youth pastor can help you in that great.
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But if it's one of the 12 percent, you need to get out of that.
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Yeah.
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Gosh, thank you for sharing that.
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I can't believe it.
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We'll bring you in for 10 minutes.
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And then the time limit, I mean, show me the BCV book chapter in verse on time limits
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for sermons.
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I don't think Paul, when he was preaching in Athens and any other places, I'm sorry guys,
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I'm on the clock.
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We've got to cut the last half of this out.
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No, that's not biblical.
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But here we are in American Christianity where it's often worship attainment, worship
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and entertainment and, oh, Carl, we can laugh about it a little bit.
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But if it grieves our hearts as Bible believing Christians that know people are hungry
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for God's word and they need the truth, what must God be looking down and thinking what
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has happened to America?
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We have, man, we've gone the wrong direction.
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I know you have more thoughts on that.
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Go ahead.
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Well, let's flip it and say parents, I want you to be the hero to your child.
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You can do it.
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I want to encourage you.
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Please do not take what I've said as an attack on you.
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Your child is in one of these youth groups and you step up and you start getting more
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active and engaged.
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How do I do it?
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There are so many tools in our day now.
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There is no excuse for not getting involved in helping to teach your children.
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If you download the app and use all that on there, okay, don't use our stuff.
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Go and do some search.
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There's plenty of good resources.
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Tune in and watch a podcast like this with your children.
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Pointly, talking about those things, but you can do it.
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I want to encourage you and not discourage you.
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Be involved and be the hero to your child.
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Thank you.
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Thank you.
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We talked about some heavy stuff.
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I appreciate that encouragement, the positive encouragement to parents at the end.
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We need it.
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The average Christian needs it because of what we're facing out there in our society.
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Evil being called good.
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But you have a ministry where you've got resources because people need to know how to respond.
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Carl, I want to just remind people again of the men of Iron Conference, menofiron.org.
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Guys, Carl's going to be there.
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He's speaking.
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I'll be there.
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I'm speaking David Roth and one other gentleman.
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It's going to be for men.
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It's going to be a great day, October 14, Green Bay, Wisconsin.
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Go to menofironconference.org and they have also got a Facebook event page that you can
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share with your friends.
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So men, we're going to try to encourage you to suit up, stand up and speak up.
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Carl, I appreciate your role that you're playing in this and just your voice.
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Thank you for all you do and we will have you on again, Lord willing.
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God bless your brother.
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Thank you, David.
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All right.
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Appreciate your time.
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So tomorrow, guys, we've got Dr. Duke Pesta, Freedom Project and men.
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We are going to talk about the dangers of DEI.
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There are Marxist roots of diversity, equity and inclusion.
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It's more than a movement at this point.
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If you look at education and the university system, Dr. Duke Pesta tomorrow on World View
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Matters.
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Thank you, guys, again for sharing.
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We appreciate your prayers and support.
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And as always, God bless you and keep speaking the truth about things that matter.